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Old one is saging: >>10584518>making its authenticity a point but not even showing the tag
>>10591047How are these prices chaotic? The absolute state of this board I swear to god.
>>10591048They didn't mention price
>>10591047Remember to blur out usernames.
>>10591048It's the title of the listing that makes it cringe, not the price.
>>10591050These threads are where anons come to bitch about prices, not listing titles.
>>10591056No? We make fun of listing pictures, titles, descriptions, braindead sellers etc.It's not always price.
>>10591054It's the fact that they're both replicas that makes it chaos though
>>10591059Holy fuck you're right. I knew they looked off.
I'm laughing so hard that the seller thinks anyone is going to be tricked by these. Wow. I feel stupid for not immediately seeing it - I hadn't actually clicked the listing to see the images.
The back lacing is so bad it hurts to look at.
How can you tell the sugar dream dome is a replica?
>>10591067holy shit lol
>>10591069Not sure if this is bait, but...Because the lace is 100% wrong and AP bows don't look like crumbled pieces of paper?
>>10591072absolutely a replica. they're a fucking idiot for putting authentic in the title. I own the pink op and it ain't shittily made like that.
Man the seller is reaching SO hard.Thank you random people on lacemarket for being savage and making me laugh.
>>10591072not bait I'm just fucking blind, thanks nonny
>>10591076Holy shit the backpedaling kek
There are retarded lies and then there’s whatever this is.
>>10591047>>10591065Is this one of their listings too? This one is gone I think so I’m so afraid some dumb newlita bought it
>>10591087Ah yes. Whenever I buy an article of clothing I *always* remove the sewn-in label and throw it away immediately. Don't you???
>>10591091Yes it is. All the listings are still up though. So don't worry for now. They just changed the title and took out "authentic/rare"
>>10591091It’s still there
Who would be so retarded as to take off an AP tag? These lies are so obnoxiously awful.
>>10591067The sad lopsided bow. The detail shot of the puckered zipper. Just no effort...
>>10591047>AUTHENTICAbsolute KEK! If you have to put it in the title...
>>10591087Is the tag even anywhere where it could be itchy? Is it like in the seam of the hem? The seller truly is stupid if they think these explanations will pass kek.
>pass on a dress because it's a couple cm too small in the bust for me>the buyer has a bust 10cm larger than minewhat is her plan...
>>10591234Own it and never wear it but hate herself or Stuff herself into with binders and look like a sausage
>>10591234How do you know the bust of the buyer kek
>>10591244I mean, if you know someone's LM username...
>>10591234>what is her plan...what are u asking? I don't get it lmao
>>10591234Go outside anon and stop stalking people. You're being weird. I wish buyer usernames was hidden like x*****z
>>10591278That would be ideal. I really don’t like people being able to see so easily what I’ve bought and for how much.
>>10591224There's usually one in the side seam of the skirts which might be itchy if you tried to style the dress otome and wear it without a petticoat.....But OP pic is two extra OTT dresses with a lot of details. Neither are good candidates for otome styling, Sugar Dream Dome skirt print in particular would look like dead lettuce without a petticoat (not that the replica doesn't already look like shit either way).Also, the one in the skirt's side seam also holds the laundry care label that has the extra buttons on it, so you'd now have to ask what happened to the extra buttons as well....>>10591234>>10591237Could also have bought it for modding, or on behalf/to gift to a friend, or just as thinspo. Just being optimistic.
>>10591282I used to buy dresses as aspirational pieces (I don’t want to use the word thinspo as it’s ana-terminology and I was lucky enough to be able to lose weight relatively healthily) and also because sometimes they were rare/good prices and I was worried I wouldn’t see them again — I now fit these dresses and it feels so amazing to wear them. Don’t judge people who you don’t know lol, especially when you didn’t even bid on the damn dress? You’ve no idea whether she’s trying to lose weight or not, or as above anon said, might be altering/gifting it
>>10591280>>10591278Agreed. It feels so incredibly weird and probably contributes to a lot of the entitled, stalkerish behaviour we see in this community
>>10591282Have been a long time since I had an AP dress so good point of the buttons and laundry label too. Wouldn't the buil-in petti be super scratchy too? I guess it's a bullshit excuse to begin with even if the tag was on the bodice of the dress but makes me wonder if this seller even wears lolita. They also seem to think new with tags means the AP clothing tag and not the price tag kek. Such a low effort scam really.
>>10591076>>10591087This bitch needs to get reported and banned ASAP holy fuck
>>10591275>>10591278Sometimes sellers list their own measurements
>>10591325Okay, but it’s not the sellers measurements anon is being creepy about
>>10591319I have older dresses with the built-in petti and it's not scratchy -- the petti is usually sewn to the outside of the lining, shorter than the the lining, so it never touches your legs. And yeah, the whole price tag/brand label thing is weird for me too, I feel like they lost the plot somewhere when someone asked them if they removed the fabric tag rather than the cardboard one and then they apparently decided the best way forward was to lie, lie, lie with all their gumption.idunno, at this point I want to think the seller left all the telltale signs in to catch the really stupid lolitas so that they're stupider and easier to scam. It's weird but it's somehow less depressing than thinking there's a seller that's actually just this stupid and somehow thinks the lolitas are supposed to be even stupider.
>>10591319Literally one of the most popular AP dresses of all time has a built in petti - Misty Sky. I have never once heard anything about it being scratchy
>>10591065This comment made me lol
>>10591051I wish that wasn’t a rule, she’s trying to pass off these replicas as the real thing, she deserves public embarrassment.
>>10591396Well considering this is a scammer, I think it's largely harmful to the community to blur out names. CGL really needs to revise it's rules.
>>10591419This is why we use btb
>>10591421>>10591419Well, the only reason why witch hunting became against the rules is because 4chan caused the 'cyberbullying' law get passed.I see shit go down across all social media websites with witch hunting and cancel culture nowadays. Why the fuck doesn't 4chan get to have fun, now?
>>10591423This statement literally made simultaneously as comments about how horrible this community is and why we can’t have nice things over in the Online Comm thread.... god we are all so fucking embarassing
Is it just me or is the second hand market dry
>>10591436Yes, stimmy shopping. Now it’s dryer than usual
>>10591430Username doesnt mean shit since its a new account, more like whats her paypal?
>>10591440let’s not get back into the habit of fucking doxxing people — just post it on btb, sit the fuck down, and report her to LM
>>10591444“doxxxxxxxxing” is not a word tard
>>10591447who shit in your soup today
>>10591419>>10591421Can you guys share a broader list of scammers (with applicable evidence) that's not on the LM or old egl blacklists? I've added a submission form to the /bst/ doc under Scammer List.
>>10591434Idgaf about the lolita community. I'm talking about 4chan, idiot.
>>10591434>>10591458Also another comment, if you don't want to be seen as embarrassing, you probably shouldn't wear lolita to begin with. Go pay attention to something else if you're worried about societal cues.P.S. get off 4chan. You seem like the type to start typing "I'm so mad that she wrote that I'M SHAKING. YOU'RE MAKING ME VOMIT"Fucking SJWs
>>10591447doxxing is a correct way of spelling it though
>>10591047So how have these not been deleted yet?
>>10591462nayrt but yeah this person is a fucking idiot
>>10591465it used to be THE way to spell it, some time in the past 5ish yrs the extra x got dropped
>>10591476I’m sorry but what the fuck
>>10591476So is Brianne a child that just didn’t know any better when she originally bought the pieces or?
>>10591476WHAT
>>10591476I can only find 2 fb profiles with those names and they’re both from this year
>>10591476are you a lacemarket mod? how did you get her email?
>>10591444Agreed. This is not a good idea to do, if she is a scammer PayPal can deal with her. Paypal hates scamming ffs
>>10591486I found the mom’s Facebook. I’m going to guess Brianne is a minor.
>>10591476What the hell did you say to her lmao
>>10591476Also if you went to law school how tf did you end up a realtor?
>>10591476>doxing a childMODS
>>10591493where the FUCK are the jannies
>>10591493>doxing a scammer. We don’t know her age, it’s all a bunch of fake profiles
>>10591498You aren’t allowed to dox anyone on this website. Even the farm doesn’t allow doxing. Why can’t you just let lacemarket mods handle this like they do every other time?
>>10591366Chiffon dresses like Misty Sky have built-in petticoats made of organdy. It's not scratchy at all.Older cotton dresses have a built-in petti made of stiff tulle. CTP uses the same type. I could imagine it being scratchy if worn directly next to the skin, but it's between the cotton layer and the lining.
>>10591499They’re not handling anything. The listings are still up
>>10591499>just let lacemarket mods handle thisthe irony of saying this when it was likely a LM mod themselves who posted the screenshot
>>10591502Just because they don’t respond in the time frame you want doesn’t give you license to break the law and dox people.
>>10591499This must be exactly why people sell shit on 4chan. Scammers be covering scammer asses.
>>10591503The fact that lacemarket mods with our details are willing to go out and doxx us is incredibly worrying to me. Like, I follow the rules and am pretty normal but I don’t like the idea of a willing 4chan doxxer having all my details
>>10591503It's not. A user pretended to be interested in a dress and asked for her payment information. She sent a couple DMs to the people who commented on her listings to give them the information to report to paypal, I myself received one such message.
>>10591512You’re good as long as you don’t try to scam people by selling replicas as RARE and AUTHENTIC
Can I just say I’m really tired of receiving an expensive dress wadded up into a ball and shoved into a plastic bag? At least use a fucking priority box or something, god damn...
>>10591519Some people use plastic mailer bags, are you upset about that? I personally always fold mine before putting it an mailer, helps it lie flatter which reduces postage costs on size a bit since dresses weigh like nothing.
>>10591519To be fair I usually wrap mine in some sort of plastic and then in a box. That way if the box gets soaked in transit the dress is safe.
>>10591515Name and shame who’s doxing people so I don’t buy from them
>>10591519I use mailers for the price since most people want that, but if a buyer offered to pay for a priority box directly after winning an auction I would do it for them. If it bugs you just ask.
>>10591516This is a dumb take. If there’s a LM mod willing to come to 4chan and doxx a literal child, who knows who else they’d be willing to doxx. Anyone they held a grudge against? It’s gross
>>10591525Same. If we can expel the scalpers we can also expel the doxxers
>>10591530Can someone post warning secrets about them both please? I don’t want this to just die on cgl as soon as this thread gets yeeted, which will probably be soon. We need to evidence capped and posted somewhere the community can see
>>10591531No stress, it stays in the archive
>me going to the archives to see what I missed
>>10591525That would be doxxing
>>10591527Reminder that we have to submit government IDs now to be verified. These people doxing have your government ID.
>>10591535Dropping a LM username isn’t doxing. Dropping personal information, such as a real name, email, family members, address, etc. is doxing. The person who’s post has been deleted posted an email and the real name of a family member.
>>10591533yeah but how many people really check the archives? as soon as this thread is kill, most people won’t know about it. if there’s a secret sitting at the top of btb for an entire week, a lot more people might take notice
>>10591537this is fucked up
>>10591498Scamming is illegal but doxing is also illegal and punishable by up to 6 months of jail time.
>>10591541We’re asking for the handle of the doxxer, not the scammer
>>10591541I meant the person who doxed, not the victim.
>>10591545So the scammer is a victim now?
>>10591548two wrongs don’t make a right...
>>10591548Legally speaking, yeah. She’s the victim of a crime.
>>10591545>VictimYou mean the adult woman trying to pass off fake AP as real to gouge and scam people?
>>10591076Fucking hell. Even on the off chance this was true, show a bank transaction or email receipt. Anything
>>10591553Even if that’s the case, that doesn’t suddenly undo the fact that she was doxxed, which is an actual crime, punishable by law.
>>10591556Except she posted and gave out all of her own information online publicly under her real name herself. She's not a victim.
>>10591557Found the doxxer
>>10591559Nope, I'm >>10591515
>>10591557So why did Doxxer-chan also doxx a family member of hers? Where had she publicly posted that...?
>>10591556>>10591559nta but doxing is for things that aren't publicly searchable, like home addresses, workplace info, and obviously more private info like phone numbers. doxing usually doesn't include name, d.o.b or even the state someone lives.
>>10591562I'm not telling you. The information posted on the LM profile is enough to find her. That's all you get from me.
>>10591556“CRIME”
>>10591563> home addresses, workplace info, and obviously more private info like phone numbersthese are all publicly searchable, i googled the name doxx-chan posted and they all came up. either way everything you listed could constitute doxxing
>>10591569well like i said, if it's publicly searchable, it's fine. some people do actually pay to hide those things from public searches and that would be doxing at that point.
>>10591571Thats... not how the law works.
kek
Went to the archives and saved the picture of the email just in case.If the person was telling the truth and they are letting thier child/minor sell on LM, that breaks both LM and PayPal's terms of service.The "parent" can't hide behind the child as an excuse. If a child wants to sell something online, the adult has to take complete responsibility for it and assume all liabilities for the sale. The child shouldn't even be talked about as a party in the email.Also I'm pretty sure all of it is just fake. The original title of the listing had "RARE AUTHENTIC." Which is a huge telltale sign of someone who knows they are scamming. A child wouldn't make a listing like that, and an adult unattached to the fashion wouldn't even know that our frilly dresses have any rarity status.Scammers also always play the victim and often threaten legal action to scare people off, when there's no basis for it (see: refund scammers, SSN scammers). Everything about this SCREAMS fake.
>>10591574It literally is. Prove it's not.
>>10591587can you calm your vigilantism for 5 seconds? you realize police usually don't do anything in these situations because they generally get resolved via paypal or lm mods. this is going beyond trying to get someone banned from lm.
>>10591595No, it's pretty common to keep the information to be shared through the different sales groups
>>10591522Not really, though I’d prefer it folded nicely in a box. But I’ve gotten stuff literally just wadded up in a ball and it’s super annoying
>>10591526I might try that
>>10591596yes, information like the sales post and dms. not shit like this.
>>10591612In the older days, this was pretty common. It usually was shared between LJ and CGL. IDGAF what new lolitas think, I think what the anon is doing is correct and many older lolitas would think that as well.
>>10591464>>10591502Are the mods literally dead or what>>10591537This seriously bothers me and I really do not understand why or how they have the authority to ask of this. Makes me super glad I made my account and was verified when the site was started.
>>10591653They have the authority because it’s their website. No one is forcing you to use their services. If someone doesn’t want to agree to the verification, they don’t need to sign up. tenso requires ID as well. They do it for exactly this reason. So they can try to prevent fraud. That would be near impossible if everyone was anonymous, and their website’s reputation for security would be greatly damaged.
>>10591587Meh, as a <18 I scammed people since I didn't understand who I was hurting. Its pretty common for kids to be lawless and do crime
>>10591671Tenso is a company with legal liability if they misuse your personal information. Lacemarket mods are not.
>Betsey Johnson pink lace dress (similar to AP’s Loving Princess JSK) is this a joke
>>10591672shit kids maybe. i never did any of that. it's not a "kid thing" anon.
>>10591672That’s not normal, stop trying to justify yourself.
>>10591672>it's pretty common for kids to be lawless and do crimeJust because there are kids out there stabbing each other, stealing cars/other things and dealing drugs doesn't make it normal or acceptable
>>10591683Made me LOL. They even linked it to Lolibrary.
>>10591685>>10591688>>10591687But gulls, anon just wanted to do hood rat shit with their friends
>>10591695That’s racist
>>10591695I was making a specific reference to that one really young kid from the news as a joke, not to be racist.Also if you want to talk about common, some of the biggest group of youth criminals are shoplifters and actually middle class and often white girls. I still remember when lolcow wrecked the tumblr "lifting" community and the only non black girl was like, a straight up child of a diplomat so not even a "ghetto" one. It's more a general suburban/middle class teenage girl problem than any racial one overall I'd bet, but since blacks get targeted in stores as suspicious bc of stereotypes they probably attempt to steal less than the white girls no one is paying attention to and can get away with it.
>>10591695>>10591698please don't respond to obvious attention-seeking
>>10591480Seems more like a 20 year old (from publicly searchable records) got caught and is now trying to pretend that it's their "kid" and that they're a "lawyer"
>>10591674It’s still a free optional service that you can not use.And they are a company. Circlly. You can read their privacy policy. And therefore can still be sued. Take your head out of your ass.
>>10591395What are bunnies and kittens doing?
>>10591683this is an imageboard
>>10591503>>10591502The listings have finally been deleted
>>10592296you can find it your damn self
>>10592336i like your style anon >>10591672Yes and this is why the youth justice system exists
I hate burgers that are too stupid to ship to Canada. I can somewhat understand being scared of lost packages to overseas but across the border on the same continent? Fucking get your shit together. You guys are pants on head retarded for not being able to figure out a customs form
>>10592451I’ve done it before, it’s not a matter of being too “stupid” for me but I’m lazy and also I don’t like leafs. I’m not going to take extra steps to ship to you
>>10592451I think most people in the US just don't want to deal with the hassle of it all. Unless someone is going to pay me extra for the extra work, why would I bother shipping outside of the US when I know I'll get my asking price with less hassle?
>>10592451What you mean to say is you are assmad someone won't ship something to your country
>>10592454>>10592456Typical burger response. Btw if the item was something I really wanted to buy, charging extra I really wouldn't mind. I'll use a American forwarding service anyways so why not pocket that extra money instead of the forwarder?
>>10592458Everyone isn't a greedy penny pincher wanting to go out of their way for a few extra bucks.
>>10592458I don’t give a shit if you want my item. People in my country want my item, ya fucking frostback
>>10592459Which is it, you want to be paid for the "hassle" or you aren't a greedy penny pincher?
>>10592462Shut up and take my canadian pesos
>>10592465Sorry I only take real money. That means I don’t sell to Canadians or Australians
>>10592467Based
>>10592463I'm not the one saying that it is too much of a hassle. I do think you're just lashing out at Americans for not catering to you specifically, which is ironically extremely American of you.And let's be real, no one is going to list something on LM and say "hey, if you aren't American I am going to charge you more for the item because of the extra hassle" and not get shat on over it, people would rightfully think it is ridiculous to charge international buyers more for the item itself, not just the increased shipping price.
>>10592467B-but our money is colorful and smells like maple syrup
>>10592467Kek I'll buy from them though; gotta love that exchange rate
>>10592469Bantering and making shitty posts on 4chins is now considered lashing out wew.
>>10592474Eh I guess it's just bitchy whining but I was trying to word it nicely ya dumb leafGo beg a burger to take your monopoly money and cry maple syrup tears when they say no
>>10592477I actually have good buying and selling etiquette so I won't beg or even ask sellers if they say they only ship USA. I came here to make a vent about a minorly annoying occurrence that happens not only in lolita, but other second-hand sales collectors markets as well.
>>10592451>I hate burgers that are too stupid to ship to Canada. I can somewhat understand being scared of lost packages to overseas but across the border on the same continent? Fucking get your shit together. You guys are pants on head retarded for not being able to figure out a customs formHoney, we pay 20 PERCENT ON TEXTILE IMORTS FROM CHINAShut the fuck up.If you're a real Canadian you fuel your car in the states, buy milk, groceries, clothes. Canada is an expensive place and we all know that we ship stuff to the states to avoid customs when we can.Burgers aren't dumb, they don't want to deal with bureaucratic nightmares Our customs are a nightmare no one needs to deal with. If you want your stuff, get a PO box on that side
>>10592481>only real Canadians live on the CAD/USA border Are you for real? Also doesn't help that the Canadian/USA border has been closed for over a year due to COVID. Are YOU even Canadian lmao?
>>10592482Ninety percent of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border.
>>10592492Can I Introduce you to the Atlantic Provinces? How about the Northern Territories? Americans seriously don’t learn shit about anywhere else
>>10592492please tell us population-wise how many of those are Canadians live outside the scope.
>>10592451I'm not dumb just lazyIf there's people who want to buy my items within my country, why go through the extra hassle?
I totally get why sellers wouldn't want to ship internationally, it's just less hassle, especially now when corona has made shipping a mess. But...>see item I want>am leaf>seller is in Alaska>"item does not ship outside of US">kekI'm curious, does anyone know if shipping from Alaska to the rest of US is actually cheaper than Alaska to Canada?
>>10592555Our postal service calculates domestic price by weight, not distance. Retard.
>>10592555Yes. I’ve mailed to and from Alaska from the contiguous United States is just as cheap as if I was mailing it from, say, California to Illinois. It’s mostly based on weight, although there are a few different zones and the further away the zone there is a slight increase. But it’s not an explicit factor by Number of miles or anything and there is a base rate for international packages, any domestic parcel will by default be cheaper than the international base price. Now I live in the Pacific Northwest and it’s cheaper for me to mail something to the other side of the continent then it is just a few hundred miles north to Vancouver, BC
>>10592596And our postal service does not, thanks for assuming how USPS does things is how everyone else does it. There's no need to be so rude but I guess you're just trying to live up to world's expectations of burgers.>>10592605Damn, I'd love to have rates like that here. That's what I was assuming since it would make no sense otherwise lol. Thanks nonny!
>>10592451I'm not stupid, I just hate filling out customs forms, they're a pain in the ass. And you have to include one that's been filled out by hand, just a printed copy isn't enough.
>>10592458I shipped a package to Canada to a shitty rude buyer who did not contact me for a quote and refused to answer messages about paying for international shipping. It cost $45 USD to ship as opposed to $13 domestic
>>10592639Is that true? I printed out a label with PayPal shipping to another country just yesterday and the customs form was filled out online and included when the label was printed all on the same piece. No one at the post office complained or said I needed anything else and they took it and gave me the reciept.
>>10592639You just sound lazy. You can request free customs forms from the usps website. If the buyer is willing to pay for shipping I’ll ship to anywhere, and I do it all from home
>>10592756Nayrt but most Americans itt have literally admitted we're just lazy lol
>>10592639filling out a single form is "a pain in the ass" absolute state of burgers. Exactly why its fair to silently judge y'all for being to lazy to ship an item to the same continent
imagine thinking you're entitled to have anybody sell to you. there's plenty of american buyers with stupid stimmy money, don't even need to consider anyone else t b h
>>10592805This. No point in shipping out of the US when things will sell regardless.
>>10592803>silently judgeKek you're all whining about it on cgl, if you want your judging to be silent then quit your bitching and keep it on the inside. Fucking leafs, I swear.
>>10592803If you're that desperate use a shopping service.
I’ll ship outside the US, but it’s pretty expensive and a lot of times people don’t want to pay it. I can’t help that it’s at least $40 to ship internationally safely.
>>10592841at least $40? I've never had an international package ship under $60 in my state! its a huge waste of time with tons of people messaging and asking how much and then never wanting to pay it. Its so much less of a bother to only ship to people in the US.
>>10592841I just feel kinda bad asking for that sort of shipping cost even if international buyers are willing to eat it. Then there's the whole issue of marking down because of customs and it's suddenly two layers of feels bad man.The forms are really the least of my concerns when it comes to keeping shipping within US only, I want people to receive their things with some degree of happiness and that shit's near impossible when it takes bloody forever to get there + it cost a small dowry of goats and chickens + border control wants a piece of that customs pie.
I got something from depop like two weeks ago which was only $28,- shipping from the US to Europe. But when I ask people on lm how much the shipping from the US to Europe would be they say at least 50 usually, which makes no sense since that from depop is just as big of a package
>>10592848>marking down for customsI refuse to break the law just because poorfags in Canada and Europe don't calculate customs fees into their item prices. Sure there is little chance of getting caught but I'm not gonna fuck around and stick my neck out for them, just in case it ever does go wrong.I've not had anyone ask me to yet cause most of my buyers end up being from the US (Brits in particular are always begging for payment plans or asking for shipping quotes and then not buying)
>>10592852Because the insurance on packages is expensive. Most sellers on LM are factoring in the insurance so that if it's damaged in transit, it's not on them.
>>10592852Insured shipping is $50-60, uninsured is around $30 or less
>>10592852They're probably looking at flat rate shipping at faster speeds. I always check for flat rate priority mail and that's the number I quote people, but sometimes it ends up being less for another service, maybe a bit slower though. If it ends up being cheaper when their address gets plugged into the shipping system in PayPal, I always refund the difference anyway so it works out.
>>10592853Funny how Americans are the only ones scared shitless of marking packages down, doesn't sound very freedom to me>asking for shipping quotes and then not buyingsomeone asking you for the shipping costs doesn't owe you anything
>>10592866Well if we get busted it's a federal crime.
>>10592866They don't owe them anything but burgers also don't owe them shipping to their country. No one said you have to buy but if someone finds it tiring responding to quotes with no follow through and one group in particular is the one who doesn't follow up, why waste time checking when other people in the same country will actually buy? Tons of sellers don't ship outside their continent or country. People are just suddenly butthurt when Amerifags do it because they want an item now and again they can't get.You don't have to be scared shitless to just not want to bother breaking the law for someone. I'm also not gonna go buy my under 21 sister alcohol even if it's unlikely I'd get caught and the drinking age is lower in other countries, for example, cause it's just not neccesary and does not benefit me in anyway. "Muh freedom" argument is dumb, you're just mad Americans won't ship to you and/or you're too much of of a poorfag to just factor those costs into your purchases instead of begging a stranger abroad to accommodate your inability to sustain the full cost of your purchase. It's like if you can afford a pet, you have to also be able to afford the food, or you can't really afford it. Same with this: if you can afford a dress but not the customs fees, then you can't actually afford the dress.
>>10592866tampering with mail is a federal crime in the states unlike in Canada. Canada is a great place though, if you mace a rapist in self defense you'll get a heavier sentence than the rapist. Same with knives and scissors, if you report yourself as a victim you could be charged for having a weapon. So if you want to talk about freedom "strong and free" anthem singer, maybe think about Canadian self defense laws first.
>>10592853Fucking this. Any time a leaf or eurofag asks me for a shipping quote, they shit a brick because shipping out of the US isn't cheap then they beg for the package to be marked down. Not only is that illegal but if anything happens to the item in transit, the marked down price is the maximum amount of money you can get back. I'm not risking my own money for your cheap ass.
>>10592879>they beg for the package to be marked down. Not only is that illegal but if anything happens to the item in transit, the marked down price is the maximum amount of money you can get back. I'm not risking my own money for your cheap ass.Careful anon. A bunch of entitled and poor Canadians and Europoors sperged hard last time I posted this take.
>>10592866I’m not going to commit a federal crime because you’re too poor to afford your country’s fees.
>>10592879What’s with the fear of lost/damaged packages? In all my years of selling I’ve never had anything like that happen. Is the US postal service that bad?
>>10592879The insurance in particular is probably the most important thing, especially during COVID. You just know they'll demand refunds for the full amount, not the marked down value.Even have friends with Etsy shops who've had to stop shipping internationally unless you use tracking and insurance, even for small items because the losses for their business shipping stickers and tiny items just added up when they had to refund everyone claiming their stuff didn't show and there was no way to prove it did.
>>10592884It’s an excuse. Americans are desperate for any reason to not do what everyone else does. Ppl who ask to mark down understand the request
>>10592884For me personally USPS has always been fine within the US, but it switches to the recipient's country's service after it arrives there so USPS can do nothing but relay tracking info at that point. When I order international packages the info leading up to customs clearance is always shit, then once it gets to USPS tracking and all is fine and it arrives quickly.COVID makes delays worse too.
>>10592887No one owes you shit. Tons of non burger lolitas don't ship outside of their country or continent all the time. Eurofags especially who are the main poor bitches desperate to have packages marked down.
>>10592884Not USPS, but UPS opened my package back in November and lost my CTP choker. I had to do do a whole song and dance for 3 months in order to get everything resolved.
>>10592896sorry for that anon, it must have sucked to deal with.insurance isn't because things always go wrong, it's for peace of mind just in case they do
>>10592896Totally worth it for what ended up being a free CTP set tho
>>10592897>insurance isn't because things always go wrong, it's for peace of mind just in case they doWhich is exactly why I was happy to have insurance because as >>10592899 mentioned, it ended up essentially being a free set. The stress was bad though. I wasn't sure how hard I'd have to fight them to even get a partial refund.
>>10592481You can’t use a US address with Canadian PayPal, so even if Rona wasn’t a thing, a US mailbox doesn’t help.
>>10592841I just had someone ask for international shipping and then ask me to discount the item by that price when I responded. Literally fuck euros nothing but bad experiences. Wish I could make my LM options so that international buyers are not able to bid, I already don’t offer it but that doesn’t stop them from buying anyway
>>10592918>literally fuck eurossame. >sell to euro who asks for cheapest shipping option>tell them the dress is going to arrive super wrinkled because it'll essentially be crumpled into a teeny tiny package if they want it cheap>dress arrives to them>they complain that it's wrinkled
>>10592852If it shipped under ~$45 it was likely First Class International and uninsured. Depoppers are generally stupid, experienced LM sellers know better.There are also some countries for which tracking isn't included under that service, though most major Commonwealth and EU countries would be.>>10592884Honestly depends entirely on your local post office and processing centers. My neighborhood's post office is considered the worst in the city.>>10592918Relist and neg feedback for not reading TOS. Done.
>>10592918Europoors have been the worst buyers ever for me. Fuck them. It’s not my fault you’re poor and live in a country that bleeds you dry for money.
>>10592866I’m not going to commit mail fraud just because you’re poor.
I'm gonna stop buying from burgers. I didn't know it was such a bother to them
>>10592925Yeah and the euro to USD exchange rate is actually in their favor too, but they’re still so poor they want a discount on top of that
>>10592930If a burger is fine with European buyers and you're not acting like a poorfag begging for discounts just because international shipping and customs is expensive, then you're probably not bothering anyone. It's people demanding others ship to their country or devalue for customs and whatnot that are the bother.
>>10592930if you're a good buyer and don't complain or ask for special treatment because shipping is exoensive, you're ok. it's just annoying that euros are shitting up the thread with "wah burgers won't sell to me wah wah they're lazy" when 80% of Euro buyers i've had turn around and ask for discounts and markdowns, flounce on the sale after getting the quote, complain, etc.maybe burgers are guilty of this too, idk? but personally when i buy from overseas i expect shipping to be spendy and pay what i'm invoiced, no fuss.
>>10592945This. I'm sure there are some obnoxious American buyers out there too, but I've also just had consistently frustrating or annoying experiences with international buyers.
>>10592950DAime having sold from both the Euro and American side, burgers are way less likely to be annoying buyers. idk why, maybe it's because shipping within the EU is cheap so they think shipping from overseas should be equally cheap? I think burgers assume shipping internationally is a big deal so they don't make such a fuss about the price.
>>10592945I’ve had some many europoors sperg out on me during a sale when I tell them I won’t mark down for their customs. Why would I put myself at risk and commit a crime and put myself at risk for getting fucked on insurance if it’s needed for some random?
>>10592950I'm Australian and I haven't sold much in lolita comms, but in other stuff I've found burgers to be almost universally annoying buyers. The majority of the time they get aggressive about expensive international shipping, since I guess they're so used to buying from other Americans for cheap.Since there's so many of them compared to people from other countries, I kind of have to sell to them, so I put up with it, though.
>>10592965Fuck off fruitjelly
>>10592966Kek I swear she is like the one Aussie that sells to burgers.
This are the ugliest shoes I've ever seen
Can we please publicly shame people who sell things without the waist ties/detachable pieces and then FIND THEM LATER. Why is this so commonFUCKING ORGANIZE YOUR SHIT.
>>10593013It's possible they're selling them because they don't like waist ties and figure someone who has lost them or something may want to buy them. I still think it's stupid, but it's also a likely scenario.
>>10593013Came here to post that, fuck that dude
>>10593013I counted 5 sets of waist ties initially and now there are only 2... do you think the ones that got bought will be reunited with dresses without them or they'll be turned into accessories lol
>>10593013I've literally forgotten to send waist ties before but I just put them in an an envelope and shipped them at my own cost because I made the mistake. What's so hard about shooting the original lace market buyer a message like "hey, I'm sorry. I just found the waist ties to that dress you bought. If I shipped them to you would you want them?" and just eat the postage because you fucked up. Selling them is hella tacky. Unless the buyer didn't want them for whatever reason, then go off.
Ok, just to clarify why I prefer not to offer shipping internationally, at least on less expensive items:- PayPal only backs seller in case of fraudulent dispute if your package includes tracking. First class mail (our cheaper option) doesn't include tracking unless you add it at a cost. Priority mail intl (the next step up) starts at like $30 to send something really small to like canada. Its like $60 to send a dress to Europe ish (more with insurance). So its not really worth offering intl on anything <$50 unless youre willing to trust the buyer.- Calculating costs beforehand takes me about 10 minutes per inquiry, because the weight really matters to determine price and wether I should do flat rate or not, and its not intuitive what countries are part of each pricing scheme. Its basically a huge guess unless you own a scale. More often I go with the higher price and offer to refund the difference if there is any. But just dealing with the inquiries can take up time that Id rather not spend unless they're the only party interested in my item.
>>10593018>selling them because they don't like waist tiesintentionally splitting up a dress from it's detachable accessories for like $15 is big brain retard energy
>>10593059sadly it's most likely that fatties bought them to alter dresses
>>10592965From burger land and I’m genuinely surprised to hear this. Aussies are my favorite Lolita to buy from abroad because I feel like shipping isn’t to bad compared to euro/Asia. Plus aud to usd is pretty favorable.
>>10593063First class mail is shit, there’s no insurance or tracking included at the base. I only ship internationally with priority mail, and I use flat rate because it’s annoying to go to the post office and get a quote by weight when it’s gonna be expensive either way. Either the buyer can afford the shipping or they can’t.
>>10592639People who don’t buy the label from the USPS website and just print it off deserve the higher price and difficulty filling out customs forms. Form is easier online. Stop working yourself so damn hard, fuck.
>>10592887Ayrt, you've clearly never dealt with USPS or FedEx in the US. Things I purchased went missing regularly and when I shipped they occasionally never made it to their international destination. Customer service will barely lift a finger to help you in my experience. It's not worth marking the price down because it's throwing money away if it gets lost.
>>10592889We ask to mark them down as our customs is terrible. We're not poorfags fatty.
>>10593129Still a poorfag mentality to re about customs
>>10592889>>10593131What a retarded argument, why would someone pay for customs when there's an option not to. Sure most lolitas can afford a £100 fee, but why waste your money when you could avoid it. Would much rather spend the custom money I've avoided on brando
>>10593133Because it is considered tax fraud
>>10593133>why would someone pay for customs when there's an option not towhy work when you could just rob a bank
>>10593133It's illegal if customs opens your order and finds out your €250 dress isn't €30 like the customs form says you fool.
>>10593137I can see how that could be an issue when purchasing new items, but if we're talking about secondhand clothes the risk is practically nil. Unless you receive huge packages or anything that looks like it could be used for resale, a random customs official has practically no frame of reference for the value of something like secondhand brand. I don't understand why people would get so up in arms around it, especially considering that *vat has already been paid on the item in question at point of purchase*
>>10593143Also, it's not just about the payment itself, it's the fact that in many countries paying fees is quite an onerous process and the fee structure isn't very clear, not to mention that a lot of postal operators tack on charges that are mostly based on hot air and loose change. I have received 2 packages from the UK recently - one of them has been sent out at full value and it was stuck in the postal system for a MONTH after actually arriving in the country with no updates whatsoever. The other reached me in about a week. Apart from the fees themselves it's just not a streamlined process.Sage for samefag
>>10593143North Americans in particular are much more concerned about the concept of “committing a crime” compared to other cultures. This is totally anecdotal of course and based solely on my own observations from being in online collectibles spaces for 15+ years, but I’ve always more or less accepted that law enforcement (particularly customs officials) have bigger fish to fry than prosecuting nerds for defrauding HMRC of a couple hundred in taxes. The worst I’ve ever heard of is sometimes people get sent a declaration to fill in with evidence of the imported goods’ transactional value, but you’re not gonna get a criminal record unless you get caught repeatedly.I can understand not wanting to underdeclare for insurance purposes - in the BJD hobby it used to be common practise to pay the declared value thru G&S and the rest F&F to get around the paypal claim risk. I’ve only ever bought from EU sellers on LM before Brexit so it hasn’t been an issue up until now anyway. US shipping is almost always too expensive to bother with for a single item of clothing.
>>10592996I think they’re cheap looking but still cute. Would look ok with a shitty taobao main
>>10593134>>10593135Pirating anime online, drinking underage and visiting abandoned buildings are all also illegal, but it's not like it's going to stop me lmao>>10593137We're talking about second hand clothing here, customs don't know the value of Angelic Pretty clothing, nor do they care. They care far more about people trying to smuggle drugs or businesses getting cheap goods than weeb clothing. UK customs are super lax and I've never heard of someone getting their packages opened, even my big ass boxes with suspiciously low values don't. Customs are political thing to encourage you to buy from certain countries anyway, plus parcelforce suck ass and do shit like getting my address wrong and delivering to the wrong people (I'm still triggered by my ap paris order)
>>10593066How is that sad? Better they do that than wear what doesn't fit.
>>10593129Kek imagine having no logical response so you resort to making up someone's weight to make yourself feel better.
>>10593133>why would someone pay for customs when there's an option not toWhy would Americans sell to Euros and Canadians when there's an option not to? The option is up to your seller, if they don't want to mark it down then either pay it and stop being poor or go without the item. You don't have to buy that dress and you don't have to buy it from that particular seller.>>10593143>>10593149>>10593156Mail related crimes in the US tend to be treated as federal offenses which is way too much to risk for a whiny cheapskate. The BJD insurance thing makes little sense because in the lolita community or at least on LM, trying to have someone pay via Friends and Family is usually treated as shady. And if the rest of you Euros are anything like French ana chan, you'll all be demanding your full refund amount regardless if something really did happen and leave bad or neutral feedback for sure. Stop being so entitled and whiny. Just accept not everyone is going to sell to your country. People are selling for their own profit and convenience, not yours. Get over it. When I see someone abroad doesn't ship to me, I either politely ask if I really want the item and they list the reason as shipping prices and let them know I'm willing to pay, or I just move on.
>>10593173>stop being poornayrt but as if you wouldn't be bitching if you had to pay hundreds of euros for custom taxes. Stop being retarded kek.I've noticed lots of poorfags recently are projecting by calling everyone else poor.t. eurofag that'll keep frauding :^) die mad
>>10593191>t. eurofag that'll keep crying about not being able to afford burger dresses :'^) and die madfixed that for you
>>10593191>forgets the insane burger healthcare and schooling prices
Jesus fuck if you guys hate selling to eurofags so much than just use a different platform where we can't buy/see your stuff like poshmark
Anons do you really believe the new no-feedback accounts that say they're a parent shopping for their child? I've seen an increasing amount of them and it always makes me wonder.
>>10593202or i can continue using lacemarket and refuse to sell outside of the US, because it's a feature integrated in the website. :^)
>>10593203sounds like sissies to me
>>10593202I don't hate selling to you. I hate when you act entitled and demand I devalue your package for customs or give you a discount just because shipping internationally costs money.I've sold to Eurofags just fine who don't do these things because they know it comes with the territory and don't expect others to bend over backwards to help them skirt customs or save money when it's not our job to.
>>10593202Pretty sure most of it is the same sperg who always gets an episode when someone mentions avoiding customs. She then always proceeds to derail the thread for 30+ replies basically responding to every reply with nothing but poorfag and europoor insults and how much lf a horrible crime it is until the thread gets nuked. Have it already seen with the oldschool and bst thread a few months ago.
>>10593210More than of us finds you all annoying and poor.
>>10593202LM literally has the option to specify I won’t ship outside the US. I’m not going to stop using their platform because it triggers you I won’t sell to you
>>10593210Wrong. This is some paranoid schizophrenic level of delusion
>>10593287Why did this need to be posted...?
>>10593287>photo for ants
>>10593288expectation>"MEDICAL EXPENSE SALE!!1!"reality>can't afford dog food for service animal
>>10593290Then post photos of that instead of something that looks fine
>>10593290Where does it say food? Service dogs cost like 15k upfront to get. How do you know it’s not for that?
>>10593287I don't understand why people don't realize these titles are off-putting, especially if the goal is to make a quick sale. I feel like it would be better etiquette to just add something in the description so that people at least know why you're suddenly selling 17 AP dresses
>>10593156>drinking underageSorry I didn't know I was talking to a literal brain damaged child.Just pay your damn customs fees if you need the dress that much.
>>10593373Is underage drinking that big of a deal in America? That’s so crazy to me. Many people I know would have been allowed to have a drink at a family function or similar well before the age of 18. It’s mental to me that someone would make a fuss over it if you’re not drinking to excess
>>10593378Probably because you’re brain damaged
>>10593379You know it baby
The problem with marking packages down is NOT that it’s a minor crime, it’s that if the package is lost the shipping insurance will only cover up to the declared value. And I’ve had enough packages lost to/from Europe that I always insure up to the full value. If I mark a $400 dress down to $20 and the postal system in Europe loses the package (esp in customs is where they seem to go missing), I can only get reimbursed $20. No way am I taking that risk for a stranger on the internet. Most of the lolitas I’ve talked to that don’t mark down do it for the same reason. Anyone who does mark down is probably an idiot who’s just gotten lucky with packages and hasn’t been burned yet
>>10593384This. And that person claiming they can just have someone pay f&f is dumb. No one would agree to that because there's no chance they'll be compensated should something go wrong. Same reason we don't want to ship without the proper insurance value.
>>10593384I tried explaining that in my earlier post >>10592879 but it's jUsT aN eXcUsE according to the entitled leafs and crumpets here.
>>10592803i ship internationally but it is a bit of a pain, anon. instead of printing a label online and having it picked up in a convenient, free flat rate box, i have to physically go to usps, purchase a different box, and fill out the form. it's much more annoying.
>>10593610you don't have to do all that lmao. you can buy boxes online and you can fill out and print out the forms online on their site.
>>10593625This, the only time I go to the post is to drop off something oversized. 9.5/10 times I do it all from home y’all are just lazy. If some eurofag is gonna pay for shipping and win an auction, they win it. Don’t be so embarrassing
>>10593287I’d pay to buy a dress from someone who titles their dresses “FUNERAL SALE”. It’s gonna happen
>>10593625Nayrt but unless you have a postal scale or any kind of smallish weight scale you still have to go to the post office to get a quote, unless you're doing flat rate.
>>10593633Nayrt but the fact that you said the post and not the post office makes it painfully obvious you're larping as a burger. That's what's really embarrassing. None of this is going to make those of us who don't want to ship internationally change our minds no matter how bad you Eurofags want to.
>>10593633If some eurofag bids on an auction that says I don't ship outside the US and wins, I am going to relist and leave negative feedback. Fuck them for wasting my time.
>>10593683>what is a food scale
>>10593712Most Americans don’t own those dipshit. We don’t measure things by the gram.
>>10593713Sad europoor here, it's so inconvienient to figure out how many grams of milk I have to buy. Wish we had measuring cups like you anon.
>>10593713Nayrt, I'm an American and have a food scale that does grams and oz, but for dresses or bigger packages it is hard/annoying to try to get an accurate read while angling it on the small base and still read the screen. Postal scales at the post office have a bigger space to put the package on and are designed so a large box isn't going to cover where they read the weight.I'd rather do flat rate shipping to leave all that out, but for international packages the absolute cheapest that tends to start is $30 and it often is higher, AND the customs form will still ask for the weight of the items.
>>10593712I bet you think Americans have kettles too, kek.
>>10593718How do you boil water?
>>10593719If an American doesn't have kettle they'd just use a pot on the stove or (if you're feeling adventurous and want to burn your hands) the microwave. Tons of Americans like hot tea, coffee, and other warm drinks enough to have a kettle or maybe boil water for tea with a keurig though. I have an electric kettle, as do many of my fellow burgers.
>>10593713>>10593713Quite a few people do here, especially those interested in health. Don't be dense. Just because you don't doesn't mean shit.
>>10593733>interested in healthAlso people interested in baking, crafts like soap or candle making, brewing cold brew at home, and tons of other reasons.
>>10593719On the stove or in the microwave, genius. I rarely see kettles or food scales in US homes because there isn't really a need for them.
>>10593750No wonder you’re all fat
>leave the thread to go to bed>everyone was arguing about shipping>wake up and come back the next day>now it's arguing about kettles
>>10593750making tea with hot water out of the microwave sounds absolutely disguisting
Imagine drinking tea when coffee exists. Dumb bitches
>>10593791It tastes exactly the same desu not sure why other countries are so pretentious, unless maybe they have worse tasting water
>>10593796Shut up you can’t even drink tap water without filtering it
>>10593792Coffee is superior. Cheers anon.
“Old Dress”
>>10593889>zoomers must die
Does anyone else feel really annoyed when they see sellers using the wrong cut/release stock photo of a dress to sell their stuff? Especially when their proof photos are bad so it's not immediately obvious that they're not selling that same dress as the cover photo.I'd honestly feel bad if a newb who didn't know better was tricked and thought they paid for one dress and then got another.
>>10593791What the fuck is the difference boiling it in the microwave or not? The water gets boiled and kills the germs, what the actual fuck is your problem?
>>10593889This makes me sad, because I own this myself and it's so gorgeous. Literally my favourite dress. And it's not even that old, like 2009ish
>>1059435312 years is old to nooblitas which brings me to a question: as time goes on, why should the definition of “old school” not move accordingly by a year every like every half-decade or so? Because I don’t see some pieces as old school that other people are adamant are...
>>10594355Because old-school refers to that period, not just the fact that it is old. Does that make sense? It is like the period when lolita was developing. The other stuff is still becoming old over time, but it would be a new era like "2010s Sweet" or whatever.Like how both Victorian and Regency clothing are both old but mean different things.
>>10593798I do though, maybe in your country you don’t but I like making tea with tap water in the microwave. It tastes fine where I live. Buying a kettle would be a weird luxury for no reason
>tfw i bought an item from the strawberry kumya scalper>tfw its listed as very good condition and "in perfect condition" on the description and "with no flaws">tsw I get it and the KC has major rust stains on the band>tfw the waist ties are faded>tfw I asked her for a partial refund>tfw she offers me $25 and is nasty about it>tfw i decide to be a door mat and accept it>tfw I get an error each time I try and contact paypal>tfw paypal accidentally escalated it >tfw the froze her account>tfw shes harassing me on LM about it now
>>10594399Sounds like a her problem, just ignore the messages and rebuke with mods if there’s negative feedback
>>10593798What shithole do you live in that you can’t drink unfiltered tap water?
>>10594402I'd already messaged LM mods about it because she was being difficult and I smelled smoke.I've also let them know about her messaging me repeatedly.Not only is she a scalper but a shady scammer too.
>>10594403You can't drink tap water at all in the U.S. because its treated with toxic Fluorine
>>10594415Its fluoride (usually sodium fluoride) it water. Not fluorine itself.
>>10594399If anything it's sweet revenge for her antics.And if you do respond tell her it's because you weren't okay with her bullshitting after all.
>>10594415I promise that short of places with boil notices (ie: really poor places), you can still drink tap water in the US. Why the fuck would the cities all across the US be giving us poison water? Use your brain. We’re not a fucking third world country.
>>10594415Hope your teeth rot out dumbass.
>>10594486>Why the fuck would the cities all across the US be giving us poison water?Yeah that would never happen in the U! S! A!
>>10594669>all acrossJust because a few cities are all fucked up doesn't mean anything. My water is fine. Every single town I've lived in is fine. It varies if you should filter for taste or not, but it doesn't have any poisons in it. Again, we're not a fucking third world nation. Water is a municipal thing, and individual towns might be fucked up. Like Flint. Which is poor.
What is she thinking? No one's gonna pay that much for Bodyline unless they're noobs who don't know shit yet kek. In this price range you can find most not highly sought-after brand. Feels like she's kinda scammy or a newfag that thinks all lolita goes for high prices second hand. Probably some other newfag buys it to later complain how expensive lolita is tho.
>>10594415Turn in your diploma
>>10594470I've left negative feedback and the LM mods said they'll change any retaliatory feedback that I get.really wish LM had a block function though - i really do not want her harassing me further.
>>10594942A $25 refund for a nearly $800 set with undisclosed damages, she's fucking nuts. Glad they froze her account
>>10595071I didn't feel too bad buying the set if it was really in the listed description with no flaws. BUT - that was a load of shit. And I wouldn't have spent more than $600 for it.
I thought this was a child’s dress up to the point that I realized it was some plus sized nightmare.
>>10595102Hey anon, I actually just came across your review while eyeballing something else they were selling. I appreciate you leaving it— it stopped me from buying the item.
>>10595333I'm glad it helped! I know since they're already a scalper they're shady, but this fully cements how bad they are.
Why in the fuck would you list 11 random BAGS for $700? Don't be so damn lazy and make a separate listing for each item
Lmao. Does this dress actually have "cock" in the title?
>>10595614Yes, it's from an old nursery rhyme about murder. I'm not kidding.
>>10595614not to be that bitch but I would honestly buy it purely bc it has cock in the title
>>10595891new thread
