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Previous thread >>10528163

/cgl/ Idol Spreadsheet - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WtgRe5cjKIR0BYGhw9N8ahxChLqEFLbZIRbAazooh-o/edit?usp=sharing

Original Music Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfmgukQM2isUtJJZz1MY4Jn4zPcbl0wDU

Last Thread
-Pandemic seems to be disbanding a lot of groups, more groups and soloists are popping up to take their place, with varying levels of quality. Lots of "pre-debut" idols currently in the scene.
-OIC hosts its Winter Idol Showcase, generally positive response
-The ever-present "money/quality" debate - how much money should idols be willing to invest in their content to get higher quality, and is it valid to criticize someone's art for being "cheap" if they don't have the money to put into it? How far can people get away with DIY stuff if it's just for fun, etc.
(as a meta note, do these previous thread summaries actually contribute anything to the current thread? Should I keep doing them?)

Some current news:
-Paida's EP fully funded on Patreon, in last stages of production
-Melancholiaah announces his first full album coming August 2021, you can help fund it on ko-fi or Patreon
-Non Sweet and Resoluscia both hit their MV view goals for their debut singles - Non Sweet's reward will be a 2nd original song, Resoluscia's will be a vocal cover of their audience's choice
-Chocolate Idol Network hosts a Valentine's Day showcase; VOD is available to watch on Twitch but parts seem to have been muted for copyright reasons

Starting topic:

Who has your favorite "image" in the overseas idol community, and what contributes to making that image your favorite? Is it their outfits, appearance, personality, the type of social media posts they make? Their hobbies, activities, etc?

Featured soloist: Galaxy Girl Paida
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>>10558097
I'm a really big fan of Girls' Secret. They just look so good and polished all the time, and all of them are just so pretty. They obviously take care of themselves and I like the fresh girl next door type vibe they go for. It's also nice that they don't have any of the drama typically seen in US groups.
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>>10558097
Sunny Shiro is incredibly relaxing, I love her general vibe! She’s sweet and elegant, and brings a sense of calm to a very energetic image color.

I also love Ayumi’s “always learning” kind of vibe. She’s always headed upward to greater things, which I find inspiring!
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i'm surprised this thread isn't as active as the last one
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>>10558954
It’s only existed for like a day, it’ll get more posts lmao
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>>10558954
It always takes a few days to pick up steam.

>>10558097
I really like Act 102's image, they're very fresh and clean feeling, and seeing their social media feels like following a legit idol group.
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>>10559007
I honestly love ACT. It still sucks that AGS102 disbanded. I think it would’ve been cool for ACT to continue growing globally.
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>>10559026
Speaking of disbanding aquaria disbanded after radio silence for the last couple of months
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>>10560646
that's so sad! They were one of my favorite love live cover groups, but I guess a lot of them have moved onto other things, as well as cons not being a thing right now.
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>>10560646
That’s pretty sad. But I noticed 4 of them recently formed a group called Melody Parade (@mero.para)! There were 3 in a group called fiRi (@fairibread), but they haven’t been active since mid-2020. Maybe they’ll return.
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>>10560873
nice self posting ;)
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>>10560951
It’s literally in their bios...
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>>10561046
Yeah but nobody would bother writing out all their usernames and shit on this site unless they were trying to promo themselves lmao
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>>10561091
Half the time, if someone mentions a group or soloist that isn't well known, people reply asking for their insta anyway. It doesn't strike me as self posting.
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>>10560873
Real talk I'm excited for melopara. Theyre all really cute and their aesthetic looks great. I also like the idea of them making TikToks about the group too.
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>>10561091
Promo on a slow board on a thread about a topic only autists care about? Delusional.
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>>10560873
They're cute but their names and catchphrases are kinda cringe. Also are those cutie marks?
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>>10561202
It's literally what makes a Jpop idol group. Catch phrases, unique designs and symbols, idol names. Is it just weird when non-asians do it?
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>>10561196
At least learn to broaden your insult vocabulary other than autist and delusional.
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>>10560873
They're from secret.chuuu. Looks like they just brought the outfits and some members over from it. Also apparently they trace.
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>>10561091
Like what >>10561118 said, people would’ve asked anyway.

>>10561202
The cutie marks as weird but like >>10561231 said it’s typical for Japanese groups. Cutie marks are usually a 2D thing, and even then they’re not often used. Stage names aren’t even specific to Japan. Catchphrases are a bit cringe but that’s mostly because people don’t make them based on English and try to make them overly cute.
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>>10561333
Why didn’t they just keep themselves as secret chuu then
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>>10561333
apparently theres a history of a bullying with certain members of this group and copying other groups costumes
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>>10561375
Source?
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>>10561388
This was back in 2018 dont know if the posts are still up on peoples social media
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>>10561396
It's probably the same as any other idol group drama. People not seeing eye to eye or getting along and then people go around shit talking and rumor spreading. I'm here for the talent and content. Not years old drama.
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>>10561375
that doesn't shock me desu marmalade has a history being shit. I've heard horror stories of her selling Taobao/AliExpress costumes and saying she sewed them herself.
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>>10561409
About a year ago Marmalade made a livestream purely to talk shit about another group, and said some nasty stuff about the idol community (idol fetishises asian people, is body-shaming, promotes mental illness). It’s quite funny watching her crawl back as if nothing has happened.
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>>10561333
Yikes lol
Traced straight from the anime too what a bunch of geniuses
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>>10561333
wasn't the one girl in pink doing porn on OnlyFans for a while too? I'm pretty sure her Insta got deleted for that reason
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>>10561505
Where's the proof that she was doing porn?
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>>10561515
@rinzi.au on insta...her 18+ account is literally linked in her bio and she's not the girl in that pic.

She posts NSFW content right next to her lolita coords. Keepin it classy.
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>>10561505
She still has both accounts, an ero and idol.
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>>10561466
on the topic of marmalade, did you guys see she's dropped the price of her maid accessories to more reasonable prices? I guess selling shitty maid taobao satin headbands for $40+ wasn't working.
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>>10561525
Oh shit maybe she's BPD camwhore anon that's been shitting up cgl and made that nutty attention whoring thread on /ck/
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Imagine picking a Doja Cat song to cover in an idol group.
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>>10561922
Who?
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>>10561922
maybe resoluscia wanted to cover the japanese version of say so but even then its still a pretty weird option to have
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Where are we seeing that Reso is covering Doge Cat?
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Check their story, It was one of their recent Cover options. Pengy was the one that wanted it.
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Oh shit PENGY about to spit some bars

When did Reso get a fourth member tho?
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Oh I guess they always had four members? Why were there only three in the MV then?
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>ICSM too
based
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>>10562067
>>10562069
They’ve had auditions open since the group was announced and the girl who joined did the harmonies on their song. She likely was asked to join or auditioned after helping.
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I just don’t think the song choice is right for an Idol group especially since the theme they are going for does not fit.
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>>10562286
At the end of the day it’s their choice what they wanna cover
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>>10562286
At least it didn't win the poll because most people have common sense and don't instantly associate idols with Doja cat.
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They were picked from fan suggestions for a cover. I really don’t get what the big deal is? Other than the concept of the singular song Goddess, they don’t have an overarching theme. It’s not like the other two songs (I Can’t Stop Me and Ice Cream Cake) fit that theme either. I would’ve loved to see them sing Say So.
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>>10562332
I’m glad the only actual jpop song on the list was the one eventually chosen lol
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>>10562332
yeah it would've been interesting. I wonder who would've done the rap parts though, have any of them rapped before? I think someone in the previous thread said it'd be neat if they brought in a rapper but no one's getting into reso just based on that it seems
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gamecon is live https://www.twitch.tv/gamecononline
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A live show where viewers and judges vote on the best live performance and the winners get a prize. None of this prerecorded stuff.
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>>10562428
That would be cool if it were logistically possible, but finding a time that works for everyone in all these different time zones + technical difficulties with switching between different peoples livestreams and WiFi issues and all kinds of other problems + you know, the pandemic that’s affecting most of the world that would limit performers to basically just soloists and groups from Australia... it would never work. There’s a reason why all these online showcases use prerecorded videos; nobody wants to deal with all the issues that would happen otherwise.
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Did anyone else hear about the drama shitshow that happened at GameCon? Apparently the staff and vendors had a huge fight.
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>>10563082
I dont know, it sounds like vendors were acting shitty and staff didnt do a good job of it??
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>>10563652
No- Literally all the vendors did was ask simple questions whilst Staff attacked them.
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>>10562428
lmfao you sound extremely inexperienced thinking that a live show with "none of this pre-recorded stuff" is feasible
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Not that it’s easy but wasnt there a live show like that at the very start of the pandemic?
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>>10564246
>>10564471
Barcon did it, PheRi took part.

And Anison USA does it regularly. It just takes organization and picking reliable performers who have the equipment
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Anisong did it, but half their performances were pre-recorded anyway cause people weren't able to reliably connect to the twitch stream/had the right tech/etc. They did have a rule about not editing the pre-recorded video or audio though, so even if a virtual live show isn't possible, I'd like to see more competitions and showcases that aren't all edited videos.
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I’m disappointed that phoebe wont bother to audition for hololiveEN. She has so much potential to grow and yet she doesn’t want to leave the production shes in. It’s holding her back and i hate to see her miss out on the opportunity of a lifetime.
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>>10565059
She probably enjoys where she's at right now. It's not for everyone. She probably enjoys the amount of freedom she has creatively where as hololive would be more controlling and demanding of what you do. At lease imo
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>>10565072
Maybe. Her only reason why for not auditioning was because she didn’t want to leave her friends in shira prod.
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>>10565074
It's because she has a good thing going for her as an indie vtuber. Her community (which supports her irl idol stuff too) has been growing really well lately and she's well on her way to Twitch partner. Why leave all that behind for corporate shit?
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>>10565081
Because money
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>>10565081
Reading the post, part of it also seems that she doesn’t wanna assume a character. She’s herself as phoebe, and doesn’t wanna leave that behind either. But, Hololive would offer many opportunities. Working with top tier producers, artists, animators, and some girls get even 1 million views on their songs. Making partner on twitch will hardly compare to that
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>>10565130
>Making partner on twitch will hardly compare to that
possible future travel experience, record deals, a budget, real artists,etc. it'll give her more space for creativity with producing music.
I wish she would do this. she can keep her friends forever but opportunities like this will pass.
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>>10565140
>future travel experience
wherever she goes its not like she can be open about who she is or what she does.
>record deals
for the character
>a budget
for the character
>real artists
for the character
>more space for creativity with producing music
doubtful. it's going to be way more restricting because holoEN will want a certain sound and look.

you're basically saying "she should sell out". she doesn't want to. she wants to do her own thing her own way with fans she made from being herself. If she joined holoEN, then the person she was would have to be basically scrubbed off the internet. Phoebe the idol would no longer exist, it'd be all about the holoEN character.
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>>10565162
Exactly. Someone stuck in a character they have to play for millions of viewers will be so much more unhappy than someone happy being themselves for a smaller audience. It’s the stuff stories focus on, for heaven’s sake! There are examples in UtaPri, Aikatsu, iM@S and all sorts of other works (Eastern and Western).
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>>10565170
That is .. fiction though ... and those characters end up making it anyways. In reality, it’s not like that. People in this community work their butts off for just a 100 views. There is very little return even for those who try their best. It makes sense that many overseas idols would want to join Hololive, where they could actually reach hundreds of thousands of people. Anyone who genuinely wants idol music and performances to become popular in the West should be following and supporting HololiveEN.

I see both sides though. Working for a company is not the same, playing a character is not the same, a large Dana as is not the same a small one. If it’s not something she really wants for herself then she’s better off not doing it. It would be extremely hard work to keep up with the expectations of Hololive if she doesn’t even have the passion to audition
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>>10565180
I know it’s fiction, I’m just saying that it’s a trope for a reason!
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>>10565162
>>10565170
>>10565180
>>10565184
take this to /vt/
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I think it shows a deep sense of satisfaction with herself and what she's done, that she'd rather keep streaming as herself than audition for Hololive. It also allows her to keep dancing and performing as her actual self, something that 2d avatars can't really do. For all it's talk about "Hololive is an idol agency", the only time they really feel like it is during the 3d performances when they can dance as well as sing, and I'm not sure Hololive EN is going to get those. It makes sense for Phoebe to want to keep streaming as herself in 3d/2d form, since she seems pretty happy with the fanbase she has.
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I think Phoebe has been pretty successful in the position she is in now. I can understand why she might not want to join a company or management. She might not have as much creative control among other things. At least she has more control of what she wants to do working independently.
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so is Mosurii dead? I see all the other members doing their own thing.
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>>10565621
yeah, pretty much. they were supposed to release an original song but guess that's not happening now.
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Can anyone give a rundown of groups that have broken up at this point during covid, and/or what members of groups have branched away to do? There’s been so much change this past year and I can’t keep up
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Coolio - Gangsta's Paradise (cover by Yuripeko)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bv2YFLoDYc
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>>10565130
>>10565140

You underestimate how those same opportunities can create massive pressures that can psychologically break people. Doubly so if they have a history of mental illness like she does.
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Has Sakura Hana finally made it?
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>>10566573
I wouldn't say so in the idol community.
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>>10566573
She's not in the idol community anymore. Although good for her for finding her niche, she shouldn't be discussed in these threads unless she starts back up idol activities (and even then...).
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>>10566679
Fully agree, though I gotta say I’m happy she finally realized idols wasn’t it for her.
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>>10566897
Has she made any good covers? If so what songs? I want to know if she actually found something she can do.
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>>10567038
Don’t know. Don’t care. When she left it was the best thing ever and I try not to let her rent space in my mind
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Can washu just fuck off back to her cosplay dance group and keep her shitty opinions out of the idol community
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>>10567998
okay koda
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>>10567998
What did washu do
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>>10568031
Not koda I just read their conversation. It's in vent chat on the open OIC discord. I just can't stand people with thick skulls like her. Like she can't understand the importance of a separation in titles and what makes the OIC definition of Idol different than just the general basic definition of Idol. This is an ongoing argument because people can't separate the two in their thick heads and immediately claim they're being attacked and excluded.
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>>10565059
I viewed the application for the production she's in and they asked for a one year minimum for their talents. So assuming they did all the legal paperwork to make that stick, she wouldn't be able to.
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>>10568102
screenshots?
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>>10568102
She's just mad that she's too lazy and unskilled to be a real idol so being the entitled white bitch that she is, she's rather fight for the rules to bend in her favor than to actually put in the effort. kek.
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This argument pops up every few months on OIC and it always results in hurt feelings. What the "cosplayers are idols too" crowd always miss is that the term "idol" isn't about how much effort you put into it. It's just a label describing a certain type of activity. If you dance, even if it's alone in your living room where no one can see, then yes, you are a dancer. If you sing, you are a singer. If you do both like an idol, then you are an idol. No one is ever saying that idols put in more effort than odorites, cosplayers, vocalists, musicians, etc.; it's just a different sort of effort. And the reason labels like that help is because it helps people find a like minded community with those who are doing the same activities as them, as well as helping supporters and fans find people who do the kind of activities they want to support. If I want to discover some new dancers, I'm not going to look up #anisong. It's not that lines can't be blurred between different types of activities, but if literally anything counts as an idol, then those who sing and dance lose their label that helps them find each other and describe what they do. The #netidols tag on Instagram is full of love live card edits and stuff that has nothing to do with either singing or dancing, and a few threads ago there was that girl who wanted to make an "idol group" that doesn't sing or dance, but hypes up each other's selfies and makeup videos. Again, it's not like those things don't require skill or effort, but they are very different activities from singing and dancing. Every time this argument comes up, there are people defending themselves by saying "well we work just as hard" when that's not even the thing being discussed, it's just about the idea of labels being beneficial when they actually describe what people do.
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I want to be called a doctor! I'm not going to go to medical school though, that's too hard. I am a doctor now because I can google symptoms online and now I deserve to be referred to as such and get the same pay as them. How dare you gatekeep my right to call myself a doctor!

...is what these morons sound like.
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>>10568219
You sure talk a lot of shit considering you’re anonymous here
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>>10565414
Can you learn to use the reply function? Theres so many anons here who will continue the conversation but not actively reply to anyone
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>>10568200
I doubt they have any contracts. Every indie “company” rips their germs directly from Holo or Shirayuri. Few are actually registered as businesses.
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>>10568263
>The #netidols tag on Instagram is full of love live card edits and stuff that has nothing to do with either singing or dancing
The sad thing about this is how there used to be a huge real net idol community at least in 2013-2016. There were active and inactive groups all over. Seeing love live card edits hurts.
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>>10568309
Exactly. And everyone wants to be included now and use whatever they want to use. Which okay fine whatever then but now we, the actual net idols, no longer have a label. We have an umbrella term. Cos-idols, odottemita, utaite, aspiring idols, etc and what do we get now? We just have to apply multiple labels just to fit? How are we supposed to navigate the actual net idols now? Now we can't. Cause everyone wants a piece of the attention pie.
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Has anyone been following Calina's contest? Is there a reason why the 2nd round is solely a popularity vote?
I mean, I'm mostly happy with the final lineup that got into round 3, but there's two that I didn't expect to make it.
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>>10568391
I hate popularity vote. It's rarely ever a fair game.
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>>10568403
I just thought it's weird that round 1, only Calina judged, but round 2 it's solely a popularity vote? And then round 3 it's a mix of judging and voting?

What's the point of completely opening it up to just a popularity contest for only round 2?
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>>10568306
of course, that's the purpose of 4chan no?
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>>10568263
I get so sick of this gd argument. It seems like it’s every six months now.... I mean say what y’all want (and I’m not her) but Julily was right in trying to keep the line separate, even if she has piss poor communication skills. Silencing her just made this shit fester.

>>10568391
I have not. If that’s the case, she should have either picked popularly vote or just her judging for the entire thing, or made it popularity round one and her judge round two.
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>>10568306
ma’am do you know where you are
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>>10569016
This is a Wendy’s right....?
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>>10569014
At this point I feel like someone else needs to create a group for the real net idols to work but idk what that would accomplish at this point either.
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>>10569045
As much as I agree with you, it’ll never work. OIC was that until the cosplayers railroaded and bullied everyone into that stupid fucking toxic positivity shit.
If we try again, it’s gonna have to be run by someone who is willing to put their foot down and make a clear line in the sand, and someone who can actually say no to those annoying dramawhores. Otherwise, another Sakura, Kat and god knows who else is just gonna pop up and repeat the cycle.
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>>10569740
And you know that anyone who chooses to be part of a group like that will be criticized too.
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>>10569045
>>10569740
There used to be a whole Facebook group for net idols. Platinum Happy, Flusay, etc. were all in it. It was for fans and everything and it worked REALLY well. And then? Shit shifted and now we’re here.
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>>10569749
I miss Flusay Girls
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>>10569804
They’re still active but they’ve changed a bit.
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>>10569804
I'm just curious, but why?
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>>10569740
Who’s Kat? Never heard of them
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>>10570024
I'm curious now too. I've also never heard the name.
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>>10570185
>>10570024
Drama having cosidol. That’s all I’m gonna say for fear of the almighty banhammer
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So what groups or soloists do you think will come out as "the big ones" when con events come back this year or next? Who are you most looking forward to seeing live?
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>>10571105
I think Phoebe's come such a long way since she's started, and she just growing bigger and bigger. She's always been one of the most talented in the community in my opinion, and I think that when cons are able to start up again, we can look forward to a lot more great performances from her.
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>>10571190
Her voice sounds the same in everything though, how can you stand it?

(No I’m not a hater, I’m just genuinely curious)
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>>10571342
NTAYRT I love her music but because of her voice I find it really difficult to listen to any of it sometimes. She’s extremely talented and is one of the most dedicated but her voice is so high, airy, and nasal at the same time.
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>>10571344
That’s how I feel. Her music is absolutely amazing, but my god it’s grating on my ears because her voice is a bit shrill. It’s not her fault either, but I hate that my sensitive hearing and migraine prone head can’t take her in large doses because I’d overdose on her and several others if I could.
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>>10571342
I mean, a singer's voice typically shouldn't sound drastically different in every song, but I think I know what you mean. I think that with the long-term exposure I had when I was younger to certain utaite and like the love live franchise lmao, people with more nasally, higher pitched voices don't bother me particularly all to much, and her songs, along with Melancholiaaah's are the only original songs in the community I think are remotely decent to listen to, so they're the only overseas artists I listen to.
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>>10571474
Tfw I can listen to utaite and love live and other high pitched just fine.

>>10571383
What saddens me is that she seems to feel the same towards her voice. She seems to really want to be able to be more versatile and widen her range.
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>>10571776
Then it's just a matter of personal taste I guess.
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>>10571776
Oddly, I like her voice in Japanese, but when she switches to English it becomes much more nasal and unpleasant imo - noticed it first in Whimsyland, but now I always hear it. She’s a little more breathe in the Japanese which softens the more annoying aspects of her voice
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>>10571344
>>10571474
>>10573088
On that note, are there any vocalists who you think have distinct or unique voices whether they're any good or not? It feels like there's a lot of vocalists who have the same airy, weak voices and not too many who stand out on their own. Unless I'm just not hearing enough lol.
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>>10574266
Ayumi has a really nice, powerful voice. She brings a lot of emotion and strength to anything she sings!
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>>10574266
Melancholiaah’s transition voice is so amazing to listen to, I truly could listen to it all day.
Ayumi’s vocals are strong and powerful. Being blunt she’s wasting her time with Calina’s contest, she’s gonna outshine her if she wins.
Kuro Home’s voice, while not the best, has a certain calming effect that when I find I’m nervous, I can turn her own and vibe for a bit.
We’ve discussed Phoebe so I see no need to add my two cents.
Martha’s voice is amazing. She’s one of those idols that I’d rather see her doing mainstream because this just seems like such a waste of her talent.
Julily surprisingly isn’t that good of a singer, despite everything she says about the community not trying. Her voice sticks out like a thorn in tracks she’s on sometimes.
I personally do not like Calina‘s voice. At all. She sounds really off and I can’t quite place why.... she just makes me uncomfortable when I hear her.
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Anyone else think it's weird that Calina's new character persona is teaching people how to speak Japanese? She's not Japanese nor is her level all that high, so I don't think she has the authority to try to teach people Japanese even if it's in the form of a character.

In these short videos, she doesn't even go over all the different verb conjugations. It's only formal level, so it makes me think she doesn't even know short-form casual speech yet.

It's just odd... maybe "tone deaf" one could say...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE-XOi6f364
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>>10575210
Not my problem.
If a bunch of weebs wanna learn weebanese from another slightly cuter weeb then be my guest.

They’re the ones that will look stupid if they try and flex.
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>>10575210
She also spelled the ~teiru versions of the verb without adding the little tsu. I also think it's a little weird for her to be teaching Japanese when she's not Japanese, nor has she ever said that she's taken a large amount of Japanese courses.
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>>10575446
Yeah. and while her pronunciation has improved, she still has a bit of an accent that doesn't sound natural. So if there's anyone that's actually trying to learn from her, they're learning pronunciation that's off.

I think she would do better if she just had the character practice Japanese and made some sort of basic dialogue/verbal diary entry, instead of putting the character in a position of being a "teacher" to the viewer.
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>>10575446
You don’t always add the little tsu with that conjugation, depends on the word

>>10575455
She puts a disclaimer on every video saying just that. She’s not fluent and is doing it to help herself learn and maybe help others while she’s at it
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So May was announced as a member of a new group called Prismic. I guess this means Mystiq Wish is officially dead now, seeing as thats 2 who’ve moved to new groups.
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>>10575552
>You don’t always add the little tsu with that conjugation, depends on the word
no it doesn't, are you retarded? also how is she supposed to help people if she's doing it wrong?
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>>10575829
Honestly- lmao this is a reach. It means she wants to be in another group, don’t assume.
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>>10575829
I'm just confused as to why join another group when you can't even be active in ONE.
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>>10575902
Mystiq wish said they'd be slowing down activity. Other members are doing other things.
May has been in MW for years too. Let people try new things
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>>10575924
Just accept your group is dead and move on
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>>10575924
>>10575840
how are we supposed to have a discussion when anons like you just tell anyone discussing anything to shut up?
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>>10575902
>>10575932
>>10575934
You guys sound so desperate for this group to be dead desu
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>>10575836
It does. To get -ている, you need to convert to -て form. Not all words that go to -て form are formatted as って.

>>10575840
If it was just May I wouldn’t think that, but Koda’s intro for VVEIL stated the group retired. There’s not been any info of Koda specifically leaving the group either, so I don’t know what else there is to assume. As someone who loves MW, it’d break my heart but that’s what it’s seeming like right now.
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>>10575974
I do think Mystiq Wish will be officially ending soon given everything, but it does look like they're still going to be releasing some stuff before that regardless. It is a shame to see in the end though, I've enjoyed their performances a lot since their Lnav days.
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>>10575974
Yeah but in the case of the word Calina used, because it is an u-verb, it would be formatted as って. The reference to her spelling it wrong was for the word that she used, in which case, it is right to say that she got it wrong.
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>>10576019
Same anon, I was wrong lmao, it's a ru-verb so the one that said that she spelled it wrong is the one that was wrong. I got it confused for a sec.
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old mosuri members with mystiq wish members in a new group. This will be interesting.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IyzvUJRjgs&t=29s

Pengy's new cover, while not an jpop song, has me really excited to see more Reso content. I've watched a lot of the members older videos to get a feel for them, and I like pengy's aesthetic and vocals. but mostly I'm just ready for more reso content lol
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A couple a new groups popping up in Australia?
Citrus plus, dempa shoujo, Melody Parade, Neonism, Faeble Future and dreamy pop.
God I can’t keep up what do you guys think?
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>>10580249
it's just lovelivers jumpinng on the idol train, watch most of them disappear within the year after they realise its hard work.
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tfw no pengy gf
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>>10583454
Shut the fuck up
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>>10583454

samesies

also just realized Resoluscia isn't on the idol spreadsheet, but im too lazy to email myself
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when are these new groups that I see are going to actually post content?
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>>10583565
I know Prismic just released a teaser photo for the 31st, so that's exciting. I checked out the list of Aussie groups and could only find content for a few of them.
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>>10583565
I don't find it suprising just yet because Covid makes it harder to produce stuff, but the future seems clearer with the vaccine rollouts coming along. I expect hopefully soon after we'll be able to see more content from new groups.

>>10583568
I'm very excited for Prismic's debut, they have a lot of potential to be pretty big imo
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>>10583585
I am pretty hyped for Prismic, I just wish the new groups i’ve been seeing like Veil would start making content. It’s like they showed off who was in it then forgot about it.
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>>10583565
Melody parade is blowing up on tik tok.
Their quality is amazing, I hope they keep it up and stay consistent cause they could be the next big group.
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>>10583830
Also forgot to add that I haven’t seen a group grow as fast as theirs? Other than Reso?
Idk it’s impressive, I’m hyped for the future of cover idols if that’s the quality.
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>>10583832
I mean it helps when a lot of your members had a big following to start with. But I also think the great quality of content boosts a lot of interest too. Cause let's face it, a big majority of idol success is good imagery and aesthetics.
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>>10583948
They have a big to start off with because they were Aquaria before love live cover groups lost popularity
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>>10583948
It does if you can get it out there. I’d like to see a group of nobodies get big honestly. It’s a good indication of if they have a healthy mix of quality, talent, and promotion.
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>>10583830
Melopara are bringing a much needed step up in quality to the cover community.
I’m excited for post pandemic what other idol groups will emerge.
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>>10583948
What is a "big following"? If you're semi attractive and care about social media (knowing hashtags, posting well edited pics, etc) it's not difficult to get a few thousand, and I know this because social media is part of my job. Meotashi's instagram with 30k is like baseline "big" for me, but she still gets like 3 twitch viewers. A few thousand followers doesn't immediately translate to views on a different platform.
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Prismic released another teaser for their debut and it looks like we're getting some more quality shit. I noticed Koda was the videographer. Kinda weird that he's doing content for another group when Veil hasn't been updated since January.
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>>10584017
The thing is because they're nobodies you don't know about them. There's a bunch on original idol groups that have made songs or are just starting out and no one knows or cares about them because the members aren't popular.
Here's a list of some I know:
@ahoproject
@an2ares.official
@cutievoltage
@miracle.note
@shinyu.idols
@upbeatidols
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>>10584743
Okay a couple of these haven't even debuted yet so why should we care?
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>>10584766
Viel hasnt either but you're all creamy over them.
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>>10584743
That’s why I mentioned promotion, not just quality and talent. If they can get people from more than just personal account promotion then they’re doing something right.

>>10584766
To keep an eye out? I personally like keeping up with groups that haven’t debuted. Just to see if they’re going to die or not.
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>>10584743
I don't think any of those groups aren't known because they're nobodies, but because they have nothing for us to know. How am I supposed to find interest in a group with absolutely no information? 5/6 of the groups you shared either hadn't debuted or have almost 0 information on their page. I need something to go off of to have interest. Art, themes, ideas, something.
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>>10584863
Yeah at least veil had an interesting theme and a well written post to start off.
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>>10584864
>>10584863

Viel literally just said they're a vampire group, introduced from notable members then dropped off the face of the planet. Even Koda is doing stuff with Prismic now so that tells me Viel is dead. They have nothing about a debut or anything to show.

The groups listed more or less fall into this category too yet you view them with a more critical eye. Why?

Just seems kind of hypocritical to me.
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>>10584969
I don't give a fuck about Veil for similar reasons about the other groups, no information. They're going to die soon, and we all know it. The only possible sign they might still happen is Koda has a "Next release: April" in his bio which might mean a Veil release, but I'm not hopeful.
The only reason Veil could get even the beginnings of interest for me is they posted member bios, and that gives me something to go off of. Something to go off of for their future quality. Most of the groups mentioned above have jack shit, no member bios, just art of the characters but no tags for the actual members or their past content. Not a hypocrite because I'm not one of Veils stans.
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>>10584969
What if they’re currently working on stuff? Do you honestly think an entire group can create quality content in such a short amount of time?
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>>10585020
This. I also would like groups to stop announcing people then doing dark for weeks. At least follow up your introductions with some content.
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>>10584987
Ok well I can respect the consistency in opinion.

>>10585020
Same goes for the other groups. What if they're working on stuff too? They are literally no better than any other upcoming idol group.
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>>10585134
I vaguely recall veil posted a story saying they couldn't find a 5th member and were going dark to work on stuff. They probably showed their members to get more applicants and it didnt work out or something like that. I do hope they announce or tease something soon though, I've been looking forward to seeing something different from the generic cute idol group concepts for a while now
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o57-nxXQYC8

Prismic debut.
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Resolucia’s April Fools joke was.. the most unfunny april fools joke i’ve seen.
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>>10586772
Really was hoping for a bit more from these costumes... They look like plastic bags.
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>>10586772
I actually like this a lot. Their singing is pretty good and I like their dancing.
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I think they’re super cute, im happy they’re well liked in the community and amongst other groups besides Resolucia lol , I never see them show support for anyone else besides themselves hm. (
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>>10587220
if you follow any of the girls instagrams, they often share other idol groups in their stories. pengy and nikki are how i heard about prismic
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>>10586772
I don't think the costumes are bad and I don't think they're great. Nice for a debut though. I'm really happy to see Mimi again in a new group and hope that she and Pepper can blossom outside of the trainwreck that mosuri became.
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Ayumi won Calina's competition, which is great because she's super fucking talented! Excited to see what she and Calina create together.
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>>10587274
LETS GOOO
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Washu, I did not want to see that.
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>>10587317
You follow washu?...cringe
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>>10587317
The worst part was that they’re not even in the pjcon group,they just jumped on the the joke
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>>10587220
do you really think it's important for groups to show support for other groups?

I think it's annoying that people will choose to support someone whether or not they kiss ass to other groups.
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>>10587401
I think it makes you look like you’re better than everyone if you don’t.
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>>10587413
you sound insecure lol

you know real artists and idols/idol groups don't spend a lot of time promoting other people. they focus on themselves because, why wouldn't they?
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>>10587422
It does sound super insecure and bitter to think if an idol group doesn't promote you that they're "stuck up". Like that's immature and toxic mentality. It's totally valid to focus on yourselves. Sometimes you don't want to flood your official group page with promotions that don't have to do with your group. If the individual idols want to comment and support others in their own ways that's fine and if they don't who cares?
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>>10587401

I think it's a mistake for anyone to go through this experience with blinkers on and never look at other groups. If you don't even bother to then you can't see what they did well/bad and apply it to your own performances, if you support them and get chummy with them then it can be a huge help for personal growth.

My thought is that support groups that resonate with your own work ethic/beliefs within the idol community rather than based on numbers. I've found that I've seen more improvement in myself and my group this way.
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>>10587457
I think OP was more so talking about outwardly showing support, though I do agree with this statement. We should always study and take note of what other groups are doing right and wrong to better build ourselves up.
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>>10587621

Ah I see, sorry for the misunderstanding!
I suppose in terms of showing support outwardly it's important to do so groups know when they're doing right/well so they can keep going in the right direction.

I know on here people have had disagreements on how to give feedback and some peoples views on this have been controversial. But I think that one of the best ways to give positive feedback is to draw attention to other groups or let other people know about them by word of mouth so that their fanbase can grow organically - In a way it's something we do on here all of the time if there's something an anon likes and they share a link. The only difference is that they wouldn't be doing it anonymously.

That being said I can understand why people may be unsure of whether it's being done because someone in Group A may be friends with someone in Group B, or to earn a popular groups favour, but after that it's down to the individual to make their minds up whether it's content that they enjoy or not.
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>>10587274
Ayumi is slowly getting more and more recognition. I’m really glad, she’s really sweet and she deserves it! She works hard and it shows.
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>>10587456
>Sometimes you don't want to flood your official group page with promotions that don't have to do with your group.

I feel like this is the reason Reso's members post promos individually. The official account has a cohesive theme which is understandable lol. That and it's not like Veil and Mystiq Wish/Mosuri where the members were in the same groups. I don't think Reso is stuck up moreso than they're just complete strangers discounting Pengy.
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>>10588262
Man, Pengy is one of the more stuck up ones. Fuck her to be honest, seeing how she actually acts in person is way different. Met her not too long ago.
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>>10588366
oooooooooh what happened? she seems sweet online.
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>>10588366
> Met her not too long ago in person.
During rona? Your Resoluscia vendetta is showing.
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>>10588510
I only met her after holiday matsuri's idolfest with mosuri but she just seems shy desu. Never met any of the other girls in Resolucia, though.

A lot of the people in groups in florida are in multiple groups at once so seeing some fresh faces in Reso's lineup is interesting.
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>>10588510
Not the same anon but I heard she had a huge attitude at one of the idol events cherry was hosting.
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>>10588549
Was that the one where the convention organizers shut down the show halfway through?
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>>10588559
I think so.
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The vendetta against reso is honestly kinda weird considering they haven't really done anything or put out anything NEW besides art and that awful april fool's joke so why are they always brought up every few posts, it's annoying honestly.
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>>10588595
They really haven't been brought up THAT much. Much less the actual topic of conversation.
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>>10588549
She absolutely did, she was entitled and rude before and after the event.
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>>10588610
People have brought them up multiple times in this thread alone. I don't care that much about Resolusia so it's annoying to see them being talked about constantly.

>>10588615
As someone who was there, she seemed pretty chill backstage. The problem just happened after the con shut the event down.
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>>10588615
Didn't she like straight up yell at cherry and then stormed off not even sticking around to try and move plans elsewhere? Not just her but tambourine was rude as fuck too and also ditched everything. I get that people were upset but that's no reason to be a complete and total bitch and just leave without even considering cherry's feelings.
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>>10588615
>>10588641
I saw her yelling at staff who didn't even have anything to do with the shows' outcome too. It was an embarrassment.
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>>10588691
Yeah, way too embarrassing for all of them, Pengy always shows herself as sweet and shy but she’s full of entitlement.
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>>10588641
To be fair, it was kind of just a trainwreck that night. Staff sprung the news at the last second, Cherry was floundering trying to get everything working, tensions were high, everyone was kind of on an adrenaline crash, at least one person was openly crying, blame and plans were being tossed around - as someone who was there, emotions were running high and nobody knew exactly what was going on. Pengy yelled and acted a bit entitled, sure, but I have a hard time judging her for that when she’s far from the only one who was upset. She’s generally sweet and funny. A bit over the top, but in a fun way.
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>>10588823
It doesn't really excuse the fact that even through disappointment, confusion and anger, you as a performer should still try to act professional even if you aren't a guest or paid to perform. Yelling at people who were just doing what they were told to isn't something everybody was doing. Pengy (and Tamborine) could have acted less shitty in the moment. It's an open testament to their characters when things go wrong (and things are always bound to go wrong at any event). I personally wouldn't invite Tamborine or Resoluscia to events I were to run because who wants to be raged at for things that happen outside of your control? Or risk the event's future because a couple of performers left a bad taste in the event runner's mouth?
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>>10588834
>who wants to be raged at for things that happen outside of your control
No one, but then again nobody wants their panel cut in half because the con double booked and didn’t tell anybody.
>risk the event's future because a couple of performers left a bad taste in the event runner's mouth
Honestly feel like this left a bad taste in attendee mouths more than anything.

Honestly like other anons I don’t think this should be a reason to write people off. Feelings ride high when things like this happen and people react differently especially with friends involved. We can all say we wouldn’t be that way but we won’t know until we have to.
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>>10588838
Idk but to me it speaks a lot about people when they don't get a fancy stage, they abandon ship. As if that was the only reason to be there or apart of it. Definitely comes off as entitled.
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>>10588846
But it had nothing to do with getting a fancy stage? It has nothing to do with entitlement. They were told they’d have their whole time and they planned the event around said whole time, only to be told in the middle they had to get out because the con double booked the space without telling anyone.
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>>10588846
You're intentionally misrepresenting what the issue was.
Cherrys event was unique because it was going to be a big collaboration between all of the idol groups. The convention cutting the event in half meant that none of the collaborative performances ever happened. People had traveled for those practices and made or bought costumes for those extra performances.
The con never offered any explanation or apology as far as I'm aware either
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>>10588852
Anyone who bothered to stick around to hear Cherry out knows the con head themselves apologized, gave an explanation that Cherry relayed to everyone, and invited Dream Stage back for the future. Idk if it'll ever happen again though, given Cherry lives in Korea now
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>>10588849
You would think that if the idols part of it didn't want their time wasted, they would stick around to see if they could salvage it elsewhere. But nope. They just abandoned it all pissy.
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>>10588869
I still think it's unfair to blame the idols?
As someone who was there, cleaning up and clearing out took time. By the time we were done and were all just waiting outside everyone was still in a state of confusion.
Cherry was throwing around the idea of performing by the pool, which was crowded with drunk people at that time of night. One of the Peachy Parade girls mentioned that she was tired because she had been dancing in heels and was going to call it a night. Several other people had made prior plans to go out to eat with family and friends so they couldn't stick around. Other people had to drive home.
Its easy to criticize the idols if you weren't there, when honestly the blame should lie solely with the convention and how they handled it.
Not even long after that, they made a post on their Instagram that seemed to make fun of the situation, they just didn't care
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>>10588869
You honestly sound like one of three people:
>idol who was there and salty
>part of the con staff
>not having been in that situation or been a performer before
Like >>10588889 said, it’s unfair to blame the idols. People made plans around the event and at that point everyone is too upset or disheartened to continue. It wasn’t some small event you could just move.
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Sadly things like this happen at events, whether it's double booking, tech problems or other issues that are out of the performers control. Sadly, it happens but as a performer you have to be prepared in case things do go wrong.
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>>10588641
Ok Cherry
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>>10589187
Cherry or not, that's exactly what happened. Grow the fuck up, Kazu.
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>>10589247
Lol I'm neither of those people but okay
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>>10589413
Lol you might as well be for as much as she lurks here. Kazu has torn up enough groups in the Florida community to still be bitter. Surprised she hasn’t had any call out posts yet.
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>>10589490
Believe me I know lol She has had some call out posts on these boards a few times.
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>>10589490
Kazu is the reason why I'm in intense therapy. She threatened me if I spoke up about her. If you can call her out, do it.
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>>10589607
Honestly the reason most people don't speak out is because if they do, even if anonymously, the person is gonna know who it is and try and drag them down with them. Kazu already has a shit reputation though and has even made the OIC discord uncomfortable so...I don't think anything she's a part of us gonna go anywhere.
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>>10589626
The thing is, no one really like Kazu and she holds no "power" in the community. She doesn't put on events. She doesn't have the biggest following. She doesn't even have "connections" with cons and non-convention organizers like some other idols do. What's there to lose with calling her out?
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>>10588869
Any other time I’d agree with you.

But this was Dream Stage. Many people came to see this special event, others were prepped for collab performances, and spent time and money to be there. I’d be entitled to a pissy fit too if I spent all that money just for the con to say “we double booked lol sorry”
But it’s not like Cherry had control, and they got invited back.... what more do you y’all want?
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I'm so disappointed that many idols are turning into vtubers or onlythots
what happened to the pure image? is it because these are westerners?
Most of the disappointment is at Nyaru who posts about streaming naked and Ari who has an onlyfans
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>>10589977
Stop defending bad behavior.
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>>10590134
You sound like you got rejected to a lot of idol fests pre-CoVID.

It’s ok if you haven’t experienced a real stage, but the rest of us know that if a con fucks, tensions are gonna run high, especially for this particular stage.
I’m not gonna sit here and confirm or deny that Pengy did wrong (tambourine however can kick bricks), but if she and others were upset after a long ass day of mental prep and physical con activities, I’m not gonna sit here and act like I wouldn’t have reacted the same.

But again, you’ve probably never done an IRL fest so I hope that you do get the chance to experience a fuckup like that now that cons are back up and rolling.
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>>10590123
Have you seen Japanese VTubers? Especially Hololive? And honestly, OF can basically be subscription based gravure. Not everyone is like Kaz and posts full on porn. We also know a lot of idols in Japan are against the “pre and sweet girl next door” image these days. So get a grip.
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>>10590123
What Ari does is at the same type of gravure you'll find top Japanese idols do in magazines you can buy in 7-11 in japan lol.
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>>10590123
You sound like a tard who knows nothing about idol culture. Go outside.
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>>10590134
everyone defends bad behavior and if you don't agree you get banned
welcome to cgl's idol threads
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>>10590175
It's because they're the ones being talked about and so they try to defend themselves and honestly it's pathetic.
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There’s a group in Virginia called idoll academy run by a girl named misa. Does anyone actually know who she is? They’ve held two auditions and no news on who the members even are.
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The OIC discord is starting to be less and less about idol stuff and more about card edits, twitch streamers, and subliminals. Sigh.
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>>10590242
No idea, but their content seems well put together so far from what I’ve seen. Consistent theming, animated story posts - its interesting if nothing else.
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>>10590295
It’s why I’ve avoided it and stayed in the GAI discord desu. OIC is a damn joke at this point.
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>>10590322
I would but... Kazu and poppy exist over there frequently and desu I don't want anything to do with them.
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>>10590375
Exactly.
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>>10590322
Kazu I'm sending you a bill for my therapy. I'm standing up to you. You will no longer control my life.
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>>10590441
You have more allies than you know and so much support. She can't hurt you. The community is watching.
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>>10590123
>12 year old spotted
you really gotta grow up mate.

how does becoming a vtuber mean you can't have a pure image lmao just because nyaru talks about streaming naked doesn't mean she actually does it. she's not that fucking dumb dude.
and ari straight up just does gravure? like many idols do? these are grown ass adults we're talking about here, they're allowed to do things that make them happy and return a revenue for them.

if you're this sensitive i can't imagine how you'd fare knowing there is a japanese idol group whose entire gimmick is that they're all gravure idols.
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>>10590149
Ari’s onlyfans have full pussy pics. Is that what gravure is now?
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>>10590210
Nyaru supposedly had wks but it’s mostly just her defending herself. Truly pathetic. She really is a failed idol kek.
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>>10590375
Be that as it may, they also don’t post about fucking LL cards and other stupid shit.
It’s easy enough to avoid those two.

>>10590441
What are you smoking..... I’ve gotten into fights over that vapid bitch, who would want to imitate her?
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>>10590322
Oic has gone downhill at this point
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>>10558097
Is this a trap?
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What would you guys say are the leading cover groups right now?

I’m trying to find one I really like...but it’s kinda hard.
I’m kinda leaning towards melopara but they are still very fresh.
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Love how Resolucia can constantly put out content but some of these new groups can’t even get past showing their group mates.
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>>10590978
And that's why they're brought up so much, they stay relevant.
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This is old but did anyone see the 5 Australian idols audition for Wack?!
How come no one else did that?
Everyone claiming they want to be an idol but then don’t actually audition for the real thing.
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>>10591337
Others were in that audition too - I know that Vicky from Ice Qream did, and Masayume Berry.
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>>10591337
And one of them's actually made it through. American idols really don't put their money where their mouth is, huh.
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>>10591337
>>10591365
There were actual American and Canadian idols and odottemita that were in that audition. Nobody actually cared to look or support them so they didn’t make it through.
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>>10591365
Everyone who made it to the audition camp is Japanese unless there’s a whole other WACK audition.
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>>10591409
Because this community has a crabs in a bucket mentality. No one supports anyone unless you benefit from it.
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>>10591409
I don’t understand why they didn’t get as much support and love from the community as Paida did in her audition. Voting was completely free, unlike in hers. I voted every round, but not enough people cared which is really sad.
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>>10591414
Yes Ria made it through and she is Japanese I’m pretty sure?
But Tea almost made it through, impressively enough!
There was a ton of cheating, on the last day so many brought likes...so poor Tea lost by 10 likes?
I was trying to keep up with it as best as I could
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>>10591652
I know it’s a little old news but all 5 of them did a twitch stream to promote the audition.
https://youtu.be/VazvSTHUsOM

It’s sad that most of the community were unaware of this, maybe jealousy?
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>>10591337
I don't trust Wack that much. Some of the things the company made their idols do for previous competition shows were weird. Like one "scandal" was a girl needed to lose weight by a deadline, and she didn't so she lost. Something like that. The alt-idol style is something I can respect, but I'm not all that into it. So thats why I didn't follow much of it.
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>>10591665
It’s true they are a little strange but still an amazing opportunity.
I would have liked to see Tea get through all the rounds, we haven’t seen proper western idol for a while.
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>>10591433
>>10591337
>>10591358
I followed this hearing closely personally. Three overseas girls made it far. If I remember correctly Vicky won the popularity vote on her last audition, but they were randomly eliminating the person with the most or least votes and so the girl with the least votes against her passed. The same thing happen to the oversea girl who lives in japan.
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>>10591747
The competition also seems too far drawn out for me to keep my attention on it. Has it been going on already for a year? Feels like it
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>>10591860
Yeah because the idea was it’d go on for as long as the pandemic.
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https://youtu.be/nAFeRuKMY-8
Secret Chu disbanded, expected it after nothing in the last year ~ orange and pink are definitely better singers than the other one
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>>10591985
Marmalade and rinzi are both in MeloPara now so yeah I'm not surprised.
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>>10592007
Melopara is sky rocketing at the moment?!
They were at 2k this morning and now are almost at 3k??
Pretty refreshing to see a group with real effort
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>>10591985
In some ways yes but in others blue is better.
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We listen to the same recording? Ripple definitely has the best voice of them.
I've definitely also heard more from Ripple regarding original music than I have from melo para so maybe they're just sticking to covers. It just seems like it's less effort than original music.
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>>10592331
Yeah melopara are a cover group, they state that.
Can’t compare the two but ripples stuff is kinda bland so never really pay attention to her anymore
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>>10591985
Which one are you Maramalade or Rinzi?
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>>10592410
eh, they're all really weak, but I find Ripple is the strongest of the 3.
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Ripples voice definitely shines for me. The other two sound kinda.... flat
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If you come on /cgl/ trying to talk up your own group anonymously, it's super obvious and doesnt inspire confidence. It's just as bad when you "anonymously" talk down other members of the community in the same post.
Food for thought. Keep on making content, not drama.
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sassy pengy gf
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>>10592489
Yeah it’s true, but this place is for all opinions.
I think all 3 of them are strong in there own way, no point trying to take sides we all have different taste in content.
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>>10592016
The stench of self-post is overwhelming.
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>>10592697
Nup just surprised, I had low expectations after s chu died. So melopara caught me off guard honestly.
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>>10592714
uh huh
Sure Marmalade.
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>>10592720
Your vendetta is showing homie, it’s an anon board for a reason just talk about what’s relevant not who’s behind the screen just clutters up the chat.
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Did anyone go to etudes live?
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNfA3DGrc6R/?igshid=laykjk0wz1b2
I’m curious to know if it’s worth supporting idk
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>>10592764
uh huh
Sure Marmalade.
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Surprised nobody posted but Resoluscia posted their K/DA cover
https://youtu.be/LyohlbSe-GI
Having Monii is clearly a gateway for them and I wonder how their second single will differ having her on the team.
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>>10593039
Monii carried that song I didn't even imagine she'd be that good. I'm also glad that the members who couldn't pronounce Korean or Chinese didn't just do it and butcher it, but instead replaced it with English lyrics. It made it much better to listen to.
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>>10593057
I'm glad they let the new member have a showcase song. I've been looking forward to seeing what Monii could do with a group and this was a great way to introduce her.
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>>10593039
Damn, Pengy on that "givin' it all" right before the final chorus... that was really good
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Why are all the idols in these threads white n fat?
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>>10593074
They're not but go off I guess if it makes you feel better
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>>10592771
If you're reasonably close to Sydney, my opinion is that there's so few groups and so few events that you really ought to go see them for yourself before making up your mind.
If you're interstate idk, I understand that trips are a deterrent. I'd put my chips on neonism or amuse.
But ultimately, you're the only person who can decide what your time and money is worth. It's not my call.
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>>10593057
>>10593061
Monii’s a Kpop coverist. She’s been singing for a while now. I think she also does a lot of other things (like lyrics?). She also has really good connections (ex. Johnny who mixed this is a popular kpop coverist/youtuber). Hopefully the addition of monii means their music will be higher quality.
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Monii fit the song well. It was nice to hear someone in an net idol group that doesn't have that annoying musical vibrato voice
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>>10593940
Is that a stab at calina? Lol
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>>10593943
she's the most annoying
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>>10593039
This is a pretty good cover. Monii's Korean and Chinese are pretty good too.
I didn't really like Mimi's solo lines. Something about them felt off, but I can't really pinpoint it. The second set of solo lines she got at a lower register were better.
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>>10593039
nikki's voice sounds fucking amzing in the chorus
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Did anybody see Astreal Idol’s newest post? I was wondering why there was so much radio silence from them. Looks like they disbanded.
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>>10594597
That's so disappointing... I know they were mostly a convention performing group, but I feel like there was a lot of potential there. Hope the members go on to do other stuff, at least.
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>>10594694
Same here. Honestly I wish they could’ve continued, but I understand if they needed to disband. This whole pandemic has really affected groups and such.
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>>10594701
Kinda pisses me off that Io announced it, though, considering the other four members. Maybe they didn't feel like making their own statements, but still.
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>>10595099
What pisses me off is how it was announced. It wasn’t organized at all & Lo very much made it about themselves. There should’ve been a group post then members post their own goodbyes.
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>>10595099
You know, I feel that. Like, why Io?!?! What happened to the other members? It just doesn’t seem right honestly.
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>>10593039
I don't really feel like their singing improved, rather just the tuning/mixing has.
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>>10593116
Hmm true.
I think out of the Sydney idol groups, Neonism is the best.
They don’t seem elitist and have some talent!
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>>10595407
It's their second song, did you want them to sound completely different? it was definitely done to show off yooya/monii, which it succeeded in. yooya had a 3 language + rap introduction, pengy killed that high note, and nikkis chorus is solid.
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>>10595468
What makes someone "seem" elitist??
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>>10595407
I think both have improved a little. There are still parts of the song where the vocals sound a little shaky but it's pretty solid overall. >>10595481 put it best. Yooya seems very talented and fits well with the group's vocals.
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>>10595487
I think it’s the way idols interact with other idols and their fans?
You can kind of tell who thinks they are better than others and who isn’t humble.
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>>10596008
Examples? Otherwise it's just your personal perception
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>>10596008
I’d be interested to hear who in your opinion is humble and who is a snobby asshole
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>>10597104
Grace Melody is snobby in the idol community. she genuinely thinks she is the best out of anyone who are in the overseas idol community. she's just weird
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>>10597690
she isn't an asshole she just sucks
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>>10597690
I don’t know where you got that idea from. She is one of the least threatening people in this community.
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>>10595468
>>10595487
>>10596008
>>10596050
Different anon here, I'll offer an interpretation.

There is a trend of these Sydney groups making strange distinctions between 'friends' and 'fans', and being dismissive of people they don't like. This manifests in things like who they choose to return eye contact to, and how they do and don't talk to certain people during cheki and after lives.
To a large extent this is normal cosplayer behaviour, but it's a little bit weird to watch some of the guys spending over $100 per event getting brushed off. My current perception is that Neonism is the only group where these issues don't exist.

This is not exactly what I'd call elitism though, and the people that I know have been vocal about this particular issue haven't been coming to events for years. In the past there was a group that had their own venue and were very shy about including idols that didn't fit their criteria, but both the venue and the group are long gone.

If you want to see drama, pay attention to the next stages of the Wack audition. It's pretty much guaranteed to blow up at some point. I think I've already seen serious harm done by members of the 'community', but hopefully this is just my schizophrenia talking.
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>>10597690
Oh look it’s the vendetta chan who can’t even spell her name right

I don’t get where this all comes from, are we just going to ignore how she’s more known for helping other people than actually releasing content herself? She might be a weak performer but she’s never been snobby
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Does anyone have any idol videos they want to share? I miss the occasional update list of content on these boards.
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>>10597965
This is extremely true and no one ever talks about this.
I went to one of these idol groups concerts and unless your in their circle of simps or close friends you get completely ignored.

A lot of these groups seem to just care about how much money you pay and are looking for a quick cash grab instead of actually putting effort into growing their fan base
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>>10598441
American idols can only dream of having actual simps
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>>10597965
>My current perception is that Neonism is the only group where these issues don't exist.

ehhh....just be wary of behind the scenes things going on at the moment.
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>>10598441
>looking for a quick cash grab
Trust me, if these girls wanted your money, you wouldn't feel left out. They're more interested in creating their 'art', which is why you only see them perform every second month.

There's definitely not much interest in growing the fanbase, I agree with that 100%. The fans themselves are part of that problem too. Often I feel like I'm one of very few people making an effort to at least talk to new people, but it's not easy with my crippling autism. I'll try harder in future.

>>10598471
I was referring more specifically to how the idols outwardly treat fans at events, not sure what you're talking about. You're quite welcome to elaborate, get it off your chest.
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>>10598552
Yeah it’s really sad I’m not sure if this is a good example.

But groups like DempaShoujo, Amuse (kinda), neonism and citrus plus they all have the same group of fans and don’t seem to be growing and inviting new fans in.
Where as like Melody Parade have a nice fan base and are always interacting and making new comers feel welcome

I also have autism so I wish more groups would be like MP who are inviting and make joining the idol community easy.
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>>10598573
The problem with MP is there are a few members who are really great at face value, but are actually terrible people, and while throw you aside once they get what they want from you.

Why do most idol groups in Australia have dark histories? Even AGS wasn't without its problems
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>>10598573
how can you say melody parade have a "new fanbase" already when the majority of their fans are just from marmalade, tea and even rinzi's already existing fanbase - a whole lot of their followers have followed them from their aquaria days. Not to mention they've only done what - two lives? So you can't really say they've treated their fans "better" when they haven't even performed in front of a live audience as a solo act yet.
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>>10599006
Get what they want? Like what?
They are always so grateful for their fans and never ask for money like the other groups.
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>>10599006
every idol group or cosplay group has skeletons in their closet. it's inevitable with working with a group of people for a long period of time.
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>>10599062
Stop self posting.
Watch them charge for their next in-person live and "fan merch" they asked for money like all the other Australian groups during their time as Aquaria with merch and cheki lmao
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>>10599064
Oh right...I forgot about merch with these groups always over charge for shit quality
I guess time will tell
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>>10599064
Can you explain why this is bad? Having free lives is a great way to find new fans but paid ones and merch get money. Even if it’s overpriced with shit quality, the same can be said for professional groups at times.
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>>10599130
Look i didnt say it was a bad thing, but previous anon said MP was “greatful and never ask for money” when we all know once they start charging for lives and merch they going to do that exact thing.
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you're actually dumb as fuck if you think idols who charge for their lives/merchandise are ungrateful for their fans.

this shit cannot continue to come out of the pockets of the idols themselves, at some point i'm sure they'd like to be at least breaking even. do you know how much singing/dancing lessons cost? how much merchandise costs? contracting artists and paying commercial fees if they can't draw themselves? mixing, production, etc. costs? material costs for costumes? contracting those out to a seamstress as well if they can't sew/design?

western idols should not be scared to charge money for their performances, merchandise, etc. because some dumb fucks on this board think they're being ungrateful toward their fans for wanting to break even on their already hefty investments. you know, like the literal professionals in japan do? are you gonna say idols in japan are ungrateful for their fans because they charge for their live shows and merchandise now? actual fucking brain damage.
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>>10599457
Most of these people don't have much experience with Japanese Idols, so everything gets compared to cosplay. The performers that are actually invested and do have that experience aren't going to be swayed by randos on a backwater cosplay board.

I'm one of the minority that believes these Australian groups aren't charging enough. Two-shot cheki from underground idols range from 1000-2000 yen, major groups are higher. Here, we're between 5-10 AUD (400/800 yen). Wages are higher here, especially the minimum wage which is almost double Japan's. There's a lot of room for growth.
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>>10599457
>>10599498

I agree with both. Get your damn coin girls
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>>10599377
You sound insecure lol





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