New year, new larp threadSURELY there will be more larps in 2021.Previous thread>>10488839
>>10532631Continuing on from last thread, do people think the lamellar in pic related is a good deal for 500 euros odd? Seems very well made, but as I normally try armour in person so I can check quality and fit I just want to make sure I'm not overpaying.
>>10532707seems reasonable from pic, but a pic can lie, so it's a hard maybe
How does one do samurai/ronin/weaboo shit garb and gear without being accused of cultural appropriation?
>>10532866Living in a civilized country
>>10532866by ignoring the idiots who whine
>>10532866try not talking to retards
>>10532707Helgy had a good deal on http://truehistoryshop.com/product-category/armour/cuirass/Their facebook say they have a 10% promotion, and will then rise their price.
>>10532707I can vouch for the quality of Early Medieval their helmets. They're some of the best bang for buck, esp since he's in the Eurozone IIRC. Not a clue about his lamellar, but Helgi does 'em cheaper and got some awesome quality and choices.
Yo hlf (or anyone else for that matter), can you point me towards a good landsknecht guide/sewing patterns?
>>10532866No one is going to accuse you of cultural appropriation.They will call you a fucking weeb though.
>>10533700do you speak german? Is it for larp or for historical accuracy?
>>10534065Yes and larp, though I wouldn't mind keeping it historically accurate.
>>10534071https://www.landsknechtlager dot_info /w/index.phpthis is a good start for larp things, but obviously every LK outfit is a bit differenthttps://www.um1504.de/more precise sit with lots of resorces, this one is on the historical side.I also have most of the LK relevant parts of reconstructing history pdfs but those are sometimes questionable and the patterns needs to be modified nearly always
>>10534077Thanks mate, got some reading to do
>>10534133if you need more help just ask, these things are always trickier than they seem
>>10533703Just the man I was looking for! I know they are not perfect but if had to chose between Townsend’s and Samson’s for breeches who would you pick?
>>10534229Townsend for shirts, Samson for outerwear, but generally they are about the same. You’ll still have to tailor a few things on the breeches either way.Samson Historical is kind of fucky politically and historically though, if that affects your opinion. Really hardcore about their opinions about the “Irish Slaves” myth, for example.
>>10534304>Really hardcore about their opinions about the “Irish Slaves” myth, for example.JFC why can’t history companies just keep their autism out of their business
Does anyone know when this sort of armor came into fashion? I'm also interested in landsknecht fashion and stuff but I'd like to build up to getting a full harness like this. From what I've seen the square toes mark it out as being from the first half of the 16th century but I don't know enough to say for sure. Any advice?
>>10534952it's called black and white armor, and it's from the middle 16th century to... well I think you can find a few examples of it in very early 17th century but it's mostly a second half of 16th century thing.As for building up a full harness like that, good luck, it will cost you a shitton of money.Anyway, what do you want to know about landsknecht stuff?
>>10535060I mainly want to know about when pluderhosen come into fashion and whether you wear them with pointed shoes or squared off shoes. Is black and white armor mainly worn with pluderhosen or can I still wear it with the regular form fitting hose?
>>10535100pluderhosen is mid 16th century too, roughly but as always there are variations, transitional stuff, grey area, etc.If you want to be a landsknecht then no pointed shoes (except if you are officer and has a horse or something, then you can get away with boots that might be pointed)As for armor and cloths: you can wear with black and white armor with anything that existed in the given timeframe. If you want ot be really fart slice-y about it then you have to look up the excat type of black and white armor (as with always there are variations that might be earlier or later, like an armor from 1550 might differ greatly from something that is made in 1590) and see what kind of cloths existed around that time, for the people with the status that might wear an armor like that.But I can say that the fitting hose existed with great variations (sometimes with a secondary layer that was way more slashed) for most part of the 16th century.The only problem is that for the second half of the 16th century Landsknechts are in a decline. Some go as far as saying landsknechts don't exists after 1550-60 but if you want to really stretch it something that you might call landsknecht existed up until the early 17th century
>>10535105So if I wanted to be more authentically landsknecht I should rather get unpainted/blackened armor? What do you call the armor that came before black and white? Also do you have any examples of more of a full harness. I want to start off as a landsknecht with a breastplate, tassets, gorget, and burgeonet but I'd like the option to keep adding bits over time until I can wear a full harness if I feel like it. IT's a shame pluderhosen are later on but I think hose can look cool too. Are there any square toed boots? I get that they weren't common but it would be nice to have the choice of boots when LARPing
>>10535105Also, just remembered, can you recommend any good books about landsknechts in english?
>>10535114>So if I wanted to be more authentically landsknecht I should rather get unpainted/blackened armor?entirely depends on what decade you want to choose.>What do you call the armor that came before black and white?which one? I mean the early 16th century is pretty much a transitional period, both on warfare and on equipment too. But Maximilian armours come before it, but so are various other stuff, sometimes only each part has a name, not the whole "set".>Also do you have any examples of more of a full harness. I want to start off as a landsknecht with a breastplate, tassets, gorget, and burgeonet but I'd like the option to keep adding bits over time until I can wear a full harness if I feel like it. Landsknecht in a full harness is VERY rare, I doesn't even remember a single pic like that from the top of my head but probably there are one or to woodcuts or something (though most probably those are either officiers, so sometimes questionable if you should call them LK or not, or just an ideologized stuff)three quarters is the most they got protection wise, but halfplate was already considered heavily armoured. This has a bit to do with the changing of warfare, and the need of the pike block to be still mobile, both on tactical and on strategical level. (another reason is growing numbers in the army but thats another separate discussion)>IT's a shame pluderhosen are later on but I think hose can look cool too.there are always earlier variants, and with everything the line can be blurry sometimes. I mean even in the mair codexes (that are 1540) you can see some kinda pluderhosen stuff and that's already the civilian fashion, so there are precursors even before that >Are there any square toed boots?not that I'm aware of. The cow mouth / bear paw shoes are not really a boot type but there might be one or two extreme exceptions. But as long as you just larp, nobody gives a shit.
>>10535115as for good books on landsknechts in english... Well if you want the history of them I can't really recommend any in good faith. There are two osprey books that are kinda okay is but they are really just the basics and some content are kinda questionable in them as with every osprey book. But they are a good stepping stones.What I can recommend is "Landsknechts on Campaign" from Marion McNealy, but it's mostly just high res pics of woodcuts with a little story here and there. Otherwise you have to look up a shitton of other books and articles and piece together the infos (or learn german)That said there might be some good books out there about the LKs that I haven't read yet, I didn't read all of them after all and I'm not omniscient
>>10535120Thanks for all the advice! I'll try find that mcnealy book and see about osprey. Sadly I'm shit at languages but I guess I can give German a look on Duolingo and see how I go.
also on the note of black and white armor
>>10534304Hi there! Casey Samson from Samson Historical. I wanted to drop in and squash this. We have never made a political statement in regards to "Irish Slaves". I agree with you that it is nothing more than a myth. Historically, were there indentured servitudes that used the Irish? Sure. Is it even remotely close to the horror and deplorable acts committed against Africans and People of Color, ABSOLUTELY NOT! I am not sure where you got that we are "hardcore about" our opinions on the Irish Slaves. For the record, Samson Historical believes in facts and historical accuracy. That includes wholeheartedly believing assimilating "Irish Slaves" with African Slaves is ignorant and false. Casey SamsonSamson Historicalcasey@samsonhistorical.com3177064961
>>10535163I doubt this is real, but Samson has a reputation for defending shitty political opinions on their Facebook.Unlike clownfag I think your pants are overpriced shite. Now fuck off shill. This is a Townsends board.
>>10535163The whole saga of the Samson historical facebook page refusing to shut down, and even banning folks for complaining against Irish slavery rhetoric has been around for a while in the 18thC community. IIRC, the official statement when people complained was that “Samson Historical refuses to silence historic opinion”. Go figure that history hobbies have a long memory. And for the record no one here once mentioned PoC/enslaved africans, or racism so... That seems a little suspect and defensive. Honestly, I am in absolute doubt that any company worth its salt would post on 4chan of all places, but y’know, not everyone can be as cool as Jon. >>10535176N U T M E GUTMEG
Oh boy, I love the drama
>>10535318HAHAHA, OH WOW.This is going to be interesting.I wouldn’t be surprised if they are hurriedly combing through their facebook page deleting everything they can.
>>10535163>>10535189>>10535193>>10535318>>10535324I don’t run my own business or anything, but this seems like a very stupid plan of action, Sammy. You dun goofed.
>>10535163Eat and digest my entire ass. The whole revwar scene knows that Samson’s defends racist farb bullshit under the claim of being neutral and all opinions. The fact that you have somebody looking online for this hella sus and reeks of damage control and shilling in the current social climate if not tolerating it anymore. At this point your only hope is to release a self involved public statement against racism and trump to try to gain some SJW asspats for being a woke company.Giving us a 50% off coupon code would help too.
>>10535318>>10535324I’m guessing they found examples?
>>10535550well, for example this Casey guy posts on 4chan which is well known for being a gathering ground for ever kind of racistsit's at least a little bit suspicious
>>10535548>Eat and digest my entire assThis dumpster fire of a tread aside, is this phrase from somewhere? I have heard and read it like, a dozen times this week alone.>>10535550Probably.>>10535559I heard that their reputation has reached as far as Hungary.
>>10535122Protip:Duolingo is kind of shit. All of the apps are of iffy utility overall, but i'm "studying" french, with a mix of apps and actual lessons.Duo is teaching me wrong. Specifically, it doesn't directly explain grammar rules very often, (if ever) even when they're simple and easily explained, and it is trying to teach me to speak in an informal manner befitting a five year old. Duo german may be better than duo french, but I doubt it. It's a practice/vocab tool/fun little game, not a great way to learn on it's own. At best, 40 hours of it will get you to a point where you can converse on par with a small child, and then you stagnate.Babel is better- more adult-, rocket is compartiviely expensive but vastly better than either, and ACTUAL LESSONS are fucking tits. Italki is also a thing worth looking into. one on one zoom tutoring, anywhere form $5-$50 an hour.
>>10535622Can confirm that Duolingo is shit for learning German too. As a self-discipline enforcement tool it's top notch, but the lessons themselves are pretty bad.
>>10535646>lessons themselves are pretty bad.Arguably harmful. Specifically teaches super informal terms of address in french, to the point where, from what i've since learned, i'd seem childish of a little over familiar/rude.It's definitley a supplement, not a way to actually learn
>>10535622>>10535646>>10535651Can’t speak for the others, but I had a friend of mine try and start the French duolingo, and it was worse than the inbred, backwood, swamp-french I grew up on. Its like babytalk.
French is hard for english native speaker. English prononciation is too for french and italian.
>>10535622>it is trying to teach me to speak in an informal manner befitting a five year old>>10535745>Its like babytalkIsn’t their whole schtick that they teach you like a child naturally learning their native language?
>>10535163>>10535318>>10535324>>10535499>>10535548I want to ask if you yanks are OK, but we all know the answer.
>>10535765The problem is you're not a child, and not trying to learn to speak like a child.It's a gimmick. You don't have time or immersion a child does, so the whole idea is flawed... and like gropey is saying, it's baby talk. A few actual lessons drove that home fast. It doesn't match up with what an actual adult says.
>>10535817Fellow bong? Suggest a source for off the rack Georgian era clothes in UK?Preferably not ran by shilling racist wankstains like Samson.
>>10535851Bump for UK eighteenth century clothes sources
>>10535817We are not, but thanks for asking>>10535851>>10536135Honestly, no clue, but i’ll ask in some facebook groups.
Fuck it have fun mocking my hard kit, /cgl/.Ignore the pants, I didn't bother changing out of my work pants for this. I have a few additional acessories- waterskin/pouch/dagger as well. This just a stripped down, in progress kit for field battles.Replacing those legs- they're shit- and painting all the steel to match the helmet and mail are next on my to do list.
>>10536373Honestly, It doesn’t look terrible. The only thing that bothers me is the diameter size of your maille, which is huge.If you were trying to be historic, I would rail you for mixing 14th century body armor with the 15th century helmet, whatever the hell those gaunts are supposed to be, But as far as larp equipment, I wouldn’t kick you off the field by any means.
>>10536373apart from the diameter of the rings there is no big problem. If I REALLY want to nitpick, the maille is kinda loose on you (which can be compensated by more padding) and the black leather straps on the red cover of the armor looks terrible.The decorative leather whatevers on the shoulders are also kinda small, you should go bigger, especially that most of your shoulder isn't covered, so it's optically doesn't look great to have just those tiny flaps. Basically anything that you can add to your upper shoulders / around the neck would boost thing, be it some kind of cape or a gorget or whatever, just to cover up stuff
>>10536373Nice corazzina, fag
>>10536373Jesus christ why are the chain links so fucking huge.Other than that its fine, overall. The chain is just so weirdly out of whack that I can't even begin to really address it.
>>10536569If I have to guess, the big rings are solid and there are smaller (probably butted) links that attach the big rings together, and thus it has a "flatter" appearance when hanging, the big rings are roughly on the same plane or at least they try to be.when you use only small diameter links the you have this twisting/zig-zag thing, that's the big difference in the look
>>10535163>>10535318>>10535324Still waiting on your rebuttal
My costume storage space got water damage. Didn't find out until recently, but fortunately only a few things were ruined. One of my nicer white chemises has mildew and rust stains that I can't get out. Would dying it hide the stains, and if so what color, or is it just completely ruined?
>>10536755Same goes for my light blue silk stays.
>>10536575Interesting. Didn’t even notice until you pointed it out.>>10536581I doubt you’re going to get one at this point.>>10536755What material is your chemise made out of? Have you tried Oxiclean for both the chemise, and a stays? Obviously separately, in warm water. What is your boning made out of?
>>10536777What's a boning mean in this context, other than the thing I'm giggling immaturely at? Google is not being helpful.
>>10536777The chemise is a thin cotton, and the boning for the stays is -suppose- to be steel, but it feels far more flexible than the steel in my actual corsets. (I bought the stays.)I haven't tried oxiclean yet, but I will.My worry is that because apparently they were sitting wet folded up in storage of who knows how long so the stains may be too set in.
>>10536779the material that makes your stays stiff, the stuff in the channels of the stays.
>>10536779Stays are the support/Shapeware of the 18th century, kind of like the later corset of the victorian period, but not. Boning, whether you’re referring to a set of 16th/17th century pair of bodies, 18th century stays, or 19th century+ corsets, Are the flexible, yet rigid material used to create shape and support in the actual garment itself. Historically, wood, whalebone, metal, reads, and even cardboard were used. Modernly, steel, plastics and artificial whale bone are the standard. Crazy enough, the most common boning in home builds is industrial zip ties, but the ends cut off.Pic related. Each of those quilted lines, pretty much represents a strip of boning material.
>>10536777>Interesting. Didn’t even notice until you pointed it out.the years and the experience
>>10536780The cotton chemise, if OxiClean doesn’t get it out, just write it off. The stays are a little bit different. First off, they probably are steel boned, but not all steals are the same. If it’s a light flexible spring steel, you have lost the war with rust stains as it will rust the second you think about it. Your best option is to either pull out the boning and replace it with something else, or do what they did in 18 century, and just cover it with fabric. There are tons of extent examples of women with old or secondhand stays using fabric to cover up the damaged, old, and torn shell.
>>10536781>>10536783Ah, that makes sense, thanks
>>10536787Is it possible to just dye either a dark color? Would that hide the stains?
>>10536789Probably not. Overdying will typically make everything darker... even the stains.Though I have two things to poset to you:1: stains are period2: who are you worried will see your stays and judge the stains?
>>10536790>2: who are you worried will see your stays and judge the stains?Are you insane? the whole church will be talking about this after sunday,
>>10536791If your church is seeing your underwear...
>>10536792you clearly don't understand the power that old ladies and their gossip has. They close to witches but from the far side
>>10536790That's true. The stains on the stays I'm honestly not -that- worried about, they're just ugly. I care more about getting them out of the chemise, mainly the top and sleeves part, but also... It is more period. So if I can't get it spotless again, oh well. It'll get saved for cooking and cleaning up in at events.
>>10536413>gauntletCheap trash. The bracer is set to be re-cut so it isn't so retarded- the manufacturer massively fucked up- and those handplates are getting work too. Thumb is likely coming off entirely, I don't like it. And then paint, to help the thing blend in.I'll probably get rid of it eventually, but I don't quite want enclosed arms or an actual gauntlet, so I have to figure that out first. >>10536504>StrapsHard agree. Not sure what I want to do about it. I'm leading towards cutting off the excess and painting them, but I don't know if I want to paint them to match the helmets red- like everything else will- and then paint the buckles in accent colors, or do them copper/gold to match the overall pattern and leave the buckles alone.Good advice though, thanks.>The decorative leather whatevers on the shoulders are also kinda smallYes. My intention is to replace it with something similar but longer, at the very least. Not sure what i'll do about the neck/shoulder area. I don't quite want steel there, and I don't want loose cloth- leads to accidental cheating if someone hits it- but I think you're right about covering the area a bit.>loose mailThe arms need a little reduction, the torso actually fits very tight. The whole thing stretches. Some of the "loose" appearance is an optical illusion.
>>10536794I don’t think the gossip would be on the stains themselves, but on the manner of which they found out that she has stains on her stays.>>10536795Oxiclean the ever loving fuck out of it. Hot water, long wash. If that doesn’t work, you can always try the lemon juice and hydrogen peroxide method, but again, it’s just cotton. Might be a good excuse to make a linen one.
>>10536575Close! It's aluminum rings with small, solid neoprene in between. Diameter wasn't my choice, getting something with a tighter weave would have cost somewhere over a thousand dollars. What you're all seeing is a combo of the wide rings, the connecting rings being very small and black (and not showing well in photos) and loose weave- it looks considerably better when there's good lighting and something that matches the color underneath it, and like shit when i'm lazy and wear tan pants under it.Since I assume someone will ask>why that materialWeight, rust, easy to color, and I know someone who can make it (and fit it) consistently and quickly in my home game, where the material is common. It's also very easy to modify at home, even compared to other mail. It also stretches, which is occasionally handy.>>10536521no uGood advice all around though, thanks fags.
>>10536800as I said, you clearly don't understand gossips, and probably old gossiping ladies either.>>10536799on the looseness I only meant the arms. And to be honest, that isn't that easy to get right, and sometimes it feels comfortable for the sake of take on and off to keep it loose.It only became a problem when it's proper links with proper thickness and diameter and also full arm lenght. Then you the looseness would give weight on your arms that you really don't want on the long run, hence getting a tighter fit is important (and also looks better most of the time)But for you it isn't really an issue apart from the looking good part, which can be taken care of with some thicker underclothing on the arms. Also about the neck/shoulder area: get a padded coif that has only the neck/shoulder part, no ide what the fuck it's called in english, but get it in a color that is different from the rest of the set but matches it. Like, I don't know, maybe a little (not too) dark green or something, because green is the best color to go with red, objectively.This will make you appear that you have bigger shoulders too, although the shoulder plates would have to be re-adjusted too IF you put it under the armor
>>10536801Both of the description of your maille, as well as the reasons for it, Makes me want to beat you to death with a mandrill.>>10536805I legit have no idea what you’re going on about
>>10536805>armsYeah, at a guess, I have an extra ring or two of diameter. I want to fix it anyway. It's comfortable, but can conceivable catch on the straps/buckes on the side of the corrazina.>It only became a problem when it's proper links with proper thickness and diameter and also full arm lenght. Yeah, been there. Terrible.>padded coifMight try getting my hands on a cheap one to fuck with. That or just replacing those pieces in a few years with better pauldrons. You're definitely right overall, they're just too fucking small. Half of this kit is cheap gear so I can experiment, so that wouldn't be a great loss.>>10536809Good thing it's light, you won't be able to catch me.
>>10536809>I legit have no idea what you’re going on aboutbecause you never lived in a little village where most of the people are 70+ years old gossipping grannies>Both of the description of your maille, as well as the reasons for it, Makes me want to beat you to death with a mandrill.Well, you are an elitist cunt, so it's understandable
>>10536811>Good thing it's light, you won't be able to catch me.I can run faster in full harness with a rage erection, then you can run trying to not get sodomized.>>10536813>Well, you are an elitist country, so it’s understandableThat’s the sweetest thing you’ve said in a while
>>10536825>That’s the sweetest thing you’ve said in a whileThe bar wasn't that high, so...Also most of us here are an elitist cunt, so you aren't even special.
>>10536777>>10536783>>10536787>>10536790In todays edition of “Random things Gropey is oddly knowledgeable about”: historic women’s underwear.
>>10536825>I can run faster in full harness with a rage erection, then you can run trying to not get sodomized.Nah. On that note, I need to find a gym that will let me either wear a vest or wear my armor. Fucking winter.>>10536827By most larps standards, even i'm an elitist for doing things like telling people not all concepts are viable and epic armory is shit and always looks bad.
>>10536827You’ll always be special to me, Slav-kun uwu>>10536843Not really. You know what I do for a living, and the kind of people I date.>>10536861You would think so, but trust me, i’d win.
>>10536861*By most US larps standards,
>>10536805Let's see if i'm actually understanding what you're telling me re covering the neck/shoulder area a little more. think something like this would help to fill it out?I think part of the problem is the armor ending where it does and leaving the whole collarbone exposed along with the shoulders, this should fit with what I have and alleviate that pretty well. Some of the problem is also probably the pauldrons just flat out shifting off to the side- I don't have proper arming points, so they're tied to the corrazinas shoulder strap. Gives them room to shift. I was going to add a tab and arming points to the straps, but this'd fix that shit too.
>>10535163fuck you, we were the niggers of Europe
>>10536900nope, that's not wide enough as you also realized. It's not the protection value that is a problem, it's a larp after all, it's just looks wrong optically.>I don't have proper arming pointsyou have chainmail, every link is a potentional arming point.Also what I'm saying is get something like this without the head part (or with the head part if it works with your helmet)
>>10536801I guess the real question is why not get some steel chain for a fraction of the cost desu, but you do you.
>>10536992>you have chainmail, every link is a potentional arming pointIt essentially has stretchy foam rubber in between butted aluminum links. It doesn’t have the resistance, or the strength to act as arming points from what it sounds like.
>>10537129the shoulder plates are overglorified spatulas, a threaded fart can hold those. That thing can hold it.
>>10537122Weight/how it handles water. I've spent a couple hours fighting in water before.
>>10537343Fucking post got cut off. It's a mix of weight, longevity, asthetics- it's part of a group buy, and being uniform is a very effective weapon when people are scared shitless of your good fighters- and is intended for a game where mail is the peak of armor and fights can go on literally all day without downtime, and swimming in your kit is a real possibility. That, and events as often as every weekend, so something that'll stretch, otherwise fight tightly, be easily repaired, I've fought in water, swam, or fought on floating docks more than a few times, and been in a number of "castle" fights where you could circumvent the defenses if you were willing to run into the water and swim around them.tl;drIt works for my home game, which my plate isn't intended for at all. The flaws it has are largely fixable with layering.
>>10536992right, I see what you're saying. I'll grab a cheap one for now to fuck with, at least. I'm also planning on a thicker arming coat, so we'll see if that helps anything. Worst case i'll ignore it, it's not something that's bothering me overmuch.Regardless, thanks for your help, magyars not a shit.
>>10537343>>10537364Who hasn’t fought in water? Get stainless, or just don’t be a lazy fuck with your kit, and maintain it.Maille is cheaper than its ever been, and is so easy to clean and maintain.
>>10537343>>10537364I guess the thing is, a fairly decent steel chain shirt can set you back maybe £100? No reason not to get one even just aesthetics wise if you arn't doing your normal game.Also, I fight all day in full steel plate and chain, it's really not bad at all.On top of that, just keep your stuff in good nick and it can easily survive a little bath. It has reminded me to check my plate though, its sat in a suitcase in my garage for the last 6 months so I hope its not a big rusty mess.
>>10537422>>10537424It'll probably happen at some point.
>>10537343>>10537364Do you always make this many excuses for your own failure?
>>10537448Do you always reee this hard? It's kit for a fantasy larp, not a reenactment. I'm on the field with people wearing everything from good quality plate, to fairy wings and dresses, to skaven completely with full face masks, to fucking treeman costumes.
>>10537463/cgl/ is a dying board and /larp/ used to be a much more active thread. By posting kit you've broken the tomb seal and the shrieking banshees of nitpickers past are now free.For what it's worth, I think your mail is fine for whatever your local game is. I see SCA football dads trundle around with chunkier shirts and Kydex armor all the time, and no one gets huffy about them.
>>10537588T.hanks anon. Hungarian larpfag actually gave some solid advice , some of which i'll end up acting on. My sleeves, at least, were already annoying me, and I think I can fix them in an afternoon of work. Plus I actually like the brig gorget it led to me finding. Covers the exact spot I target on shield fighters. Worst case, if I don't like it, it's cheap enough that it'll become loaner kit.Productive overall. >I see SCA football dads trundle around with chunkier shirts and Kydex armor all the time, and no one gets huffy about them.To be fair, they're probably ignored because, well. SCA. Pointless.>dying boardFeels like most boards are, really.