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New year, new larp thread
SURELY there will be more larps in 2021.

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>>10532631
Continuing on from last thread, do people think the lamellar in pic related is a good deal for 500 euros odd? Seems very well made, but as I normally try armour in person so I can check quality and fit I just want to make sure I'm not overpaying.
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>>10532707
seems reasonable from pic, but a pic can lie, so it's a hard maybe
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How does one do samurai/ronin/weaboo shit garb and gear without being accused of cultural appropriation?
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>>10532866
Living in a civilized country
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>>10532866
by ignoring the idiots who whine
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>>10532866
try not talking to retards
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>>10532707
Helgy had a good deal on http://truehistoryshop.com/product-category/armour/cuirass/
Their facebook say they have a 10% promotion, and will then rise their price.
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>>10532707
I can vouch for the quality of Early Medieval their helmets. They're some of the best bang for buck, esp since he's in the Eurozone IIRC. Not a clue about his lamellar, but Helgi does 'em cheaper and got some awesome quality and choices.
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Yo hlf (or anyone else for that matter), can you point me towards a good landsknecht guide/sewing patterns?
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>>10532866
No one is going to accuse you of cultural appropriation.

They will call you a fucking weeb though.
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>>10533700
do you speak german? Is it for larp or for historical accuracy?
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>>10534065
Yes and larp, though I wouldn't mind keeping it historically accurate.
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>>10534071
https://www.landsknechtlager dot_info /w/index.php
this is a good start for larp things, but obviously every LK outfit is a bit different

https://www.um1504.de/
more precise sit with lots of resorces, this one is on the historical side.

I also have most of the LK relevant parts of reconstructing history pdfs but those are sometimes questionable and the patterns needs to be modified nearly always
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>>10534077
Thanks mate, got some reading to do
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>>10534133
if you need more help just ask, these things are always trickier than they seem
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>>10533703
Just the man I was looking for! I know they are not perfect but if had to chose between Townsend’s and Samson’s for breeches who would you pick?
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>>10534229
Townsend for shirts, Samson for outerwear, but generally they are about the same. You’ll still have to tailor a few things on the breeches either way.

Samson Historical is kind of fucky politically and historically though, if that affects your opinion. Really hardcore about their opinions about the “Irish Slaves” myth, for example.
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>>10534304
>Really hardcore about their opinions about the “Irish Slaves” myth, for example.
JFC why can’t history companies just keep their autism out of their business
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Does anyone know when this sort of armor came into fashion? I'm also interested in landsknecht fashion and stuff but I'd like to build up to getting a full harness like this. From what I've seen the square toes mark it out as being from the first half of the 16th century but I don't know enough to say for sure. Any advice?
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>>10534952
it's called black and white armor, and it's from the middle 16th century to... well I think you can find a few examples of it in very early 17th century but it's mostly a second half of 16th century thing.

As for building up a full harness like that, good luck, it will cost you a shitton of money.

Anyway, what do you want to know about landsknecht stuff?
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>>10535060
I mainly want to know about when pluderhosen come into fashion and whether you wear them with pointed shoes or squared off shoes. Is black and white armor mainly worn with pluderhosen or can I still wear it with the regular form fitting hose?
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>>10535100
pluderhosen is mid 16th century too, roughly but as always there are variations, transitional stuff, grey area, etc.
If you want to be a landsknecht then no pointed shoes (except if you are officer and has a horse or something, then you can get away with boots that might be pointed)

As for armor and cloths: you can wear with black and white armor with anything that existed in the given timeframe. If you want ot be really fart slice-y about it then you have to look up the excat type of black and white armor (as with always there are variations that might be earlier or later, like an armor from 1550 might differ greatly from something that is made in 1590) and see what kind of cloths existed around that time, for the people with the status that might wear an armor like that.
But I can say that the fitting hose existed with great variations (sometimes with a secondary layer that was way more slashed) for most part of the 16th century.

The only problem is that for the second half of the 16th century Landsknechts are in a decline. Some go as far as saying landsknechts don't exists after 1550-60 but if you want to really stretch it something that you might call landsknecht existed up until the early 17th century
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>>10535105
So if I wanted to be more authentically landsknecht I should rather get unpainted/blackened armor? What do you call the armor that came before black and white? Also do you have any examples of more of a full harness. I want to start off as a landsknecht with a breastplate, tassets, gorget, and burgeonet but I'd like the option to keep adding bits over time until I can wear a full harness if I feel like it. IT's a shame pluderhosen are later on but I think hose can look cool too. Are there any square toed boots? I get that they weren't common but it would be nice to have the choice of boots when LARPing
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>>10535105
Also, just remembered, can you recommend any good books about landsknechts in english?
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>>10535114
>So if I wanted to be more authentically landsknecht I should rather get unpainted/blackened armor?
entirely depends on what decade you want to choose.

>What do you call the armor that came before black and white?
which one? I mean the early 16th century is pretty much a transitional period, both on warfare and on equipment too. But Maximilian armours come before it, but so are various other stuff, sometimes only each part has a name, not the whole "set".

>Also do you have any examples of more of a full harness. I want to start off as a landsknecht with a breastplate, tassets, gorget, and burgeonet but I'd like the option to keep adding bits over time until I can wear a full harness if I feel like it.
Landsknecht in a full harness is VERY rare, I doesn't even remember a single pic like that from the top of my head but probably there are one or to woodcuts or something (though most probably those are either officiers, so sometimes questionable if you should call them LK or not, or just an ideologized stuff)

three quarters is the most they got protection wise, but halfplate was already considered heavily armoured. This has a bit to do with the changing of warfare, and the need of the pike block to be still mobile, both on tactical and on strategical level. (another reason is growing numbers in the army but thats another separate discussion)

>IT's a shame pluderhosen are later on but I think hose can look cool too.
there are always earlier variants, and with everything the line can be blurry sometimes. I mean even in the mair codexes (that are 1540) you can see some kinda pluderhosen stuff and that's already the civilian fashion, so there are precursors even before that

>Are there any square toed boots?
not that I'm aware of. The cow mouth / bear paw shoes are not really a boot type but there might be one or two extreme exceptions. But as long as you just larp, nobody gives a shit.
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>>10535115
as for good books on landsknechts in english... Well if you want the history of them I can't really recommend any in good faith. There are two osprey books that are kinda okay is but they are really just the basics and some content are kinda questionable in them as with every osprey book. But they are a good stepping stones.

What I can recommend is "Landsknechts on Campaign" from Marion McNealy, but it's mostly just high res pics of woodcuts with a little story here and there. Otherwise you have to look up a shitton of other books and articles and piece together the infos (or learn german)

That said there might be some good books out there about the LKs that I haven't read yet, I didn't read all of them after all and I'm not omniscient
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Thanks for all the advice! I'll try find that mcnealy book and see about osprey. Sadly I'm shit at languages but I guess I can give German a look on Duolingo and see how I go.
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>>10534304
Hi there!

Casey Samson from Samson Historical. I wanted to drop in and squash this. We have never made a political statement in regards to "Irish Slaves". I agree with you that it is nothing more than a myth.
Historically, were there indentured servitudes that used the Irish? Sure.

Is it even remotely close to the horror and deplorable acts committed against Africans and People of Color, ABSOLUTELY NOT!

I am not sure where you got that we are "hardcore about" our opinions on the Irish Slaves.

For the record, Samson Historical believes in facts and historical accuracy. That includes wholeheartedly believing assimilating "Irish Slaves" with African Slaves is ignorant and false.

Casey Samson
Samson Historical
casey@samsonhistorical.com
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>>10535163
I doubt this is real, but Samson has a reputation for defending shitty political opinions on their Facebook.

Unlike clownfag I think your pants are overpriced shite. Now fuck off shill. This is a Townsends board.
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>>10535163
The whole saga of the Samson historical facebook page refusing to shut down, and even banning folks for complaining against Irish slavery rhetoric has been around for a while in the 18thC community. IIRC, the official statement when people complained was that “Samson Historical refuses to silence historic opinion”. Go figure that history hobbies have a long memory. And for the record no one here once mentioned PoC/enslaved africans, or racism so... That seems a little suspect and defensive.

Honestly, I am in absolute doubt that any company worth its salt would post on 4chan of all places, but y’know, not everyone can be as cool as Jon.

>>10535176
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>>10535318
HAHAHA, OH WOW.

This is going to be interesting.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they are hurriedly combing through their facebook page deleting everything they can.
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>>10535163
>>10535189
>>10535193
>>10535318
>>10535324

I don’t run my own business or anything, but this seems like a very stupid plan of action, Sammy. You dun goofed.
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>>10535163
Eat and digest my entire ass. The whole revwar scene knows that Samson’s defends racist farb bullshit under the claim of being neutral and all opinions.

The fact that you have somebody looking online for this hella sus and reeks of damage control and shilling in the current social climate if not tolerating it anymore. At this point your only hope is to release a self involved public statement against racism and trump to try to gain some SJW asspats for being a woke company.

Giving us a 50% off coupon code would help too.
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>>10535318
>>10535324
I’m guessing they found examples?
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>>10535550
well, for example this Casey guy posts on 4chan which is well known for being a gathering ground for ever kind of racists
it's at least a little bit suspicious
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>>10535548
>Eat and digest my entire ass
This dumpster fire of a tread aside, is this phrase from somewhere? I have heard and read it like, a dozen times this week alone.

>>10535550
Probably.

>>10535559
I heard that their reputation has reached as far as Hungary.
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>>10535122
Protip:
Duolingo is kind of shit. All of the apps are of iffy utility overall, but i'm "studying" french, with a mix of apps and actual lessons.

Duo is teaching me wrong. Specifically, it doesn't directly explain grammar rules very often, (if ever) even when they're simple and easily explained, and it is trying to teach me to speak in an informal manner befitting a five year old. Duo german may be better than duo french, but I doubt it. It's a practice/vocab tool/fun little game, not a great way to learn on it's own. At best, 40 hours of it will get you to a point where you can converse on par with a small child, and then you stagnate.

Babel is better- more adult-, rocket is compartiviely expensive but vastly better than either, and ACTUAL LESSONS are fucking tits. Italki is also a thing worth looking into. one on one zoom tutoring, anywhere form $5-$50 an hour.
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>>10535622
Can confirm that Duolingo is shit for learning German too. As a self-discipline enforcement tool it's top notch, but the lessons themselves are pretty bad.
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>>10535646
>lessons themselves are pretty bad.
Arguably harmful. Specifically teaches super informal terms of address in french, to the point where, from what i've since learned, i'd seem childish of a little over familiar/rude.

It's definitley a supplement, not a way to actually learn
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>>10535622
>>10535646
>>10535651
Can’t speak for the others, but I had a friend of mine try and start the French duolingo, and it was worse than the inbred, backwood, swamp-french I grew up on. Its like babytalk.
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French is hard for english native speaker.
English prononciation is too for french and italian.
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>>10535622
>it is trying to teach me to speak in an informal manner befitting a five year old
>>10535745
>Its like babytalk

Isn’t their whole schtick that they teach you like a child naturally learning their native language?
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>>10535163
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>>10535548
I want to ask if you yanks are OK, but we all know the answer.
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>>10535765
The problem is you're not a child, and not trying to learn to speak like a child.

It's a gimmick. You don't have time or immersion a child does, so the whole idea is flawed... and like gropey is saying, it's baby talk. A few actual lessons drove that home fast. It doesn't match up with what an actual adult says.
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>>10535817
Fellow bong? Suggest a source for off the rack Georgian era clothes in UK?

Preferably not ran by shilling racist wankstains like Samson.
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>>10535851
Bump for UK eighteenth century clothes sources
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>>10535817
We are not, but thanks for asking

>>10535851
>>10536135
Honestly, no clue, but i’ll ask in some facebook groups.
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Fuck it have fun mocking my hard kit, /cgl/.
Ignore the pants, I didn't bother changing out of my work pants for this. I have a few additional acessories- waterskin/pouch/dagger as well. This just a stripped down, in progress kit for field battles.
Replacing those legs- they're shit- and painting all the steel to match the helmet and mail are next on my to do list.
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>>10536373
Honestly, It doesn’t look terrible. The only thing that bothers me is the diameter size of your maille, which is huge.

If you were trying to be historic, I would rail you for mixing 14th century body armor with the 15th century helmet, whatever the hell those gaunts are supposed to be, But as far as larp equipment, I wouldn’t kick you off the field by any means.
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>>10536373
apart from the diameter of the rings there is no big problem. If I REALLY want to nitpick, the maille is kinda loose on you (which can be compensated by more padding) and the black leather straps on the red cover of the armor looks terrible.
The decorative leather whatevers on the shoulders are also kinda small, you should go bigger, especially that most of your shoulder isn't covered, so it's optically doesn't look great to have just those tiny flaps. Basically anything that you can add to your upper shoulders / around the neck would boost thing, be it some kind of cape or a gorget or whatever, just to cover up stuff
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>>10536373
Nice corazzina, fag
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>>10536373
Jesus christ why are the chain links so fucking huge.
Other than that its fine, overall. The chain is just so weirdly out of whack that I can't even begin to really address it.
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>>10536569
If I have to guess, the big rings are solid and there are smaller (probably butted) links that attach the big rings together, and thus it has a "flatter" appearance when hanging, the big rings are roughly on the same plane or at least they try to be.
when you use only small diameter links the you have this twisting/zig-zag thing, that's the big difference in the look
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>>10535163
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>>10535324
Still waiting on your rebuttal
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My costume storage space got water damage. Didn't find out until recently, but fortunately only a few things were ruined. One of my nicer white chemises has mildew and rust stains that I can't get out. Would dying it hide the stains, and if so what color, or is it just completely ruined?
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>>10536755
Same goes for my light blue silk stays.
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>>10536575
Interesting. Didn’t even notice until you pointed it out.

>>10536581
I doubt you’re going to get one at this point.

>>10536755
What material is your chemise made out of? Have you tried Oxiclean for both the chemise, and a stays? Obviously separately, in warm water. What is your boning made out of?
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>>10536777
What's a boning mean in this context, other than the thing I'm giggling immaturely at? Google is not being helpful.
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>>10536777
The chemise is a thin cotton, and the boning for the stays is -suppose- to be steel, but it feels far more flexible than the steel in my actual corsets. (I bought the stays.)
I haven't tried oxiclean yet, but I will.
My worry is that because apparently they were sitting wet folded up in storage of who knows how long so the stains may be too set in.
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>>10536779
the material that makes your stays stiff, the stuff in the channels of the stays.
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>>10536779
Stays are the support/Shapeware of the 18th century, kind of like the later corset of the victorian period, but not.

Boning, whether you’re referring to a set of 16th/17th century pair of bodies, 18th century stays, or 19th century+ corsets, Are the flexible, yet rigid material used to create shape and support in the actual garment itself. Historically, wood, whalebone, metal, reads, and even cardboard were used. Modernly, steel, plastics and artificial whale bone are the standard. Crazy enough, the most common boning in home builds is industrial zip ties, but the ends cut off.

Pic related. Each of those quilted lines, pretty much represents a strip of boning material.
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>>10536777
>Interesting. Didn’t even notice until you pointed it out.
the years and the experience
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>>10536780
The cotton chemise, if OxiClean doesn’t get it out, just write it off.

The stays are a little bit different. First off, they probably are steel boned, but not all steals are the same. If it’s a light flexible spring steel, you have lost the war with rust stains as it will rust the second you think about it. Your best option is to either pull out the boning and replace it with something else, or do what they did in 18 century, and just cover it with fabric. There are tons of extent examples of women with old or secondhand stays using fabric to cover up the damaged, old, and torn shell.
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>>10536781
>>10536783
Ah, that makes sense, thanks
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>>10536787
Is it possible to just dye either a dark color? Would that hide the stains?
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>>10536789
Probably not. Overdying will typically make everything darker... even the stains.

Though I have two things to poset to you:

1: stains are period

2: who are you worried will see your stays and judge the stains?
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>>10536790
>2: who are you worried will see your stays and judge the stains?
Are you insane? the whole church will be talking about this after sunday,
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>>10536791
If your church is seeing your underwear...
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>>10536792
you clearly don't understand the power that old ladies and their gossip has. They close to witches but from the far side
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>>10536790
That's true. The stains on the stays I'm honestly not -that- worried about, they're just ugly. I care more about getting them out of the chemise, mainly the top and sleeves part, but also... It is more period. So if I can't get it spotless again, oh well. It'll get saved for cooking and cleaning up in at events.
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>>10536413
>gauntlet
Cheap trash. The bracer is set to be re-cut so it isn't so retarded- the manufacturer massively fucked up- and those handplates are getting work too. Thumb is likely coming off entirely, I don't like it. And then paint, to help the thing blend in.

I'll probably get rid of it eventually, but I don't quite want enclosed arms or an actual gauntlet, so I have to figure that out first.

>>10536504
>Straps
Hard agree. Not sure what I want to do about it. I'm leading towards cutting off the excess and painting them, but I don't know if I want to paint them to match the helmets red- like everything else will- and then paint the buckles in accent colors, or do them copper/gold to match the overall pattern and leave the buckles alone.
Good advice though, thanks.
>The decorative leather whatevers on the shoulders are also kinda small
Yes. My intention is to replace it with something similar but longer, at the very least. Not sure what i'll do about the neck/shoulder area. I don't quite want steel there, and I don't want loose cloth- leads to accidental cheating if someone hits it- but I think you're right about covering the area a bit.
>loose mail
The arms need a little reduction, the torso actually fits very tight. The whole thing stretches. Some of the "loose" appearance is an optical illusion.
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>>10536794
I don’t think the gossip would be on the stains themselves, but on the manner of which they found out that she has stains on her stays.

>>10536795
Oxiclean the ever loving fuck out of it. Hot water, long wash. If that doesn’t work, you can always try the lemon juice and hydrogen peroxide method, but again, it’s just cotton. Might be a good excuse to make a linen one.
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>>10536575
Close!
It's aluminum rings with small, solid neoprene in between. Diameter wasn't my choice, getting something with a tighter weave would have cost somewhere over a thousand dollars. What you're all seeing is a combo of the wide rings, the connecting rings being very small and black (and not showing well in photos) and loose weave- it looks considerably better when there's good lighting and something that matches the color underneath it, and like shit when i'm lazy and wear tan pants under it.

Since I assume someone will ask
>why that material
Weight, rust, easy to color, and I know someone who can make it (and fit it) consistently and quickly in my home game, where the material is common. It's also very easy to modify at home, even compared to other mail. It also stretches, which is occasionally handy.

>>10536521
no u

Good advice all around though, thanks fags.
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>>10536800
as I said, you clearly don't understand gossips, and probably old gossiping ladies either.

>>10536799
on the looseness I only meant the arms. And to be honest, that isn't that easy to get right, and sometimes it feels comfortable for the sake of take on and off to keep it loose.
It only became a problem when it's proper links with proper thickness and diameter and also full arm lenght. Then you the looseness would give weight on your arms that you really don't want on the long run, hence getting a tighter fit is important (and also looks better most of the time)
But for you it isn't really an issue apart from the looking good part, which can be taken care of with some thicker underclothing on the arms.

Also about the neck/shoulder area: get a padded coif that has only the neck/shoulder part, no ide what the fuck it's called in english, but get it in a color that is different from the rest of the set but matches it. Like, I don't know, maybe a little (not too) dark green or something, because green is the best color to go with red, objectively.
This will make you appear that you have bigger shoulders too, although the shoulder plates would have to be re-adjusted too IF you put it under the armor
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>>10536801
Both of the description of your maille, as well as the reasons for it, Makes me want to beat you to death with a mandrill.

>>10536805
I legit have no idea what you’re going on about
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>>10536805
>arms
Yeah, at a guess, I have an extra ring or two of diameter. I want to fix it anyway. It's comfortable, but can conceivable catch on the straps/buckes on the side of the corrazina.

>It only became a problem when it's proper links with proper thickness and diameter and also full arm lenght.
Yeah, been there. Terrible.
>padded coif
Might try getting my hands on a cheap one to fuck with. That or just replacing those pieces in a few years with better pauldrons. You're definitely right overall, they're just too fucking small. Half of this kit is cheap gear so I can experiment, so that wouldn't be a great loss.
>>10536809
Good thing it's light, you won't be able to catch me.
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>>10536809
>I legit have no idea what you’re going on about
because you never lived in a little village where most of the people are 70+ years old gossipping grannies

>Both of the description of your maille, as well as the reasons for it, Makes me want to beat you to death with a mandrill.
Well, you are an elitist cunt, so it's understandable
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>>10536811
>Good thing it's light, you won't be able to catch me.
I can run faster in full harness with a rage erection, then you can run trying to not get sodomized.

>>10536813
>Well, you are an elitist country, so it’s understandable
That’s the sweetest thing you’ve said in a while
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>>10536825
>That’s the sweetest thing you’ve said in a while
The bar wasn't that high, so...
Also most of us here are an elitist cunt, so you aren't even special.
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>>10536790
In todays edition of “Random things Gropey is oddly knowledgeable about”: historic women’s underwear.
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>>10536825
>I can run faster in full harness with a rage erection, then you can run trying to not get sodomized.
Nah. On that note, I need to find a gym that will let me either wear a vest or wear my armor. Fucking winter.

>>10536827
By most larps standards, even i'm an elitist for doing things like telling people not all concepts are viable and epic armory is shit and always looks bad.
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>>10536827
You’ll always be special to me, Slav-kun uwu

>>10536843
Not really. You know what I do for a living, and the kind of people I date.

>>10536861
You would think so, but trust me, i’d win.
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>>10536861
*By most US larps standards,
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>>10536805
Let's see if i'm actually understanding what you're telling me re covering the neck/shoulder area a little more. think something like this would help to fill it out?
I think part of the problem is the armor ending where it does and leaving the whole collarbone exposed along with the shoulders, this should fit with what I have and alleviate that pretty well. Some of the problem is also probably the pauldrons just flat out shifting off to the side- I don't have proper arming points, so they're tied to the corrazinas shoulder strap. Gives them room to shift. I was going to add a tab and arming points to the straps, but this'd fix that shit too.
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>>10535163
fuck you, we were the niggers of Europe
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>>10536900
nope, that's not wide enough as you also realized. It's not the protection value that is a problem, it's a larp after all, it's just looks wrong optically.

>I don't have proper arming points
you have chainmail, every link is a potentional arming point.


Also what I'm saying is get something like this without the head part (or with the head part if it works with your helmet)
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>>10536801
I guess the real question is why not get some steel chain for a fraction of the cost desu, but you do you.
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>>10536992
>you have chainmail, every link is a potentional arming point
It essentially has stretchy foam rubber in between butted aluminum links. It doesn’t have the resistance, or the strength to act as arming points from what it sounds like.
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>>10537129
the shoulder plates are overglorified spatulas, a threaded fart can hold those. That thing can hold it.
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>>10537122
Weight/how it handles water. I've spent a couple hours fighting in water before.
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>>10537343
Fucking post got cut off. It's a mix of weight, longevity, asthetics- it's part of a group buy, and being uniform is a very effective weapon when people are scared shitless of your good fighters- and is intended for a game where mail is the peak of armor and fights can go on literally all day without downtime, and swimming in your kit is a real possibility. That, and events as often as every weekend, so something that'll stretch, otherwise fight tightly, be easily repaired, I've fought in water, swam, or fought on floating docks more than a few times, and been in a number of "castle" fights where you could circumvent the defenses if you were willing to run into the water and swim around them.

tl;dr
It works for my home game, which my plate isn't intended for at all. The flaws it has are largely fixable with layering.
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>>10536992
right, I see what you're saying. I'll grab a cheap one for now to fuck with, at least. I'm also planning on a thicker arming coat, so we'll see if that helps anything. Worst case i'll ignore it, it's not something that's bothering me overmuch.

Regardless, thanks for your help, magyars not a shit.
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>>10537343
>>10537364
Who hasn’t fought in water? Get stainless, or just don’t be a lazy fuck with your kit, and maintain it.

Maille is cheaper than its ever been, and is so easy to clean and maintain.
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>>10537343
>>10537364
I guess the thing is, a fairly decent steel chain shirt can set you back maybe £100? No reason not to get one even just aesthetics wise if you arn't doing your normal game.

Also, I fight all day in full steel plate and chain, it's really not bad at all.On top of that, just keep your stuff in good nick and it can easily survive a little bath. It has reminded me to check my plate though, its sat in a suitcase in my garage for the last 6 months so I hope its not a big rusty mess.
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>>10537422
>>10537424
It'll probably happen at some point.
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>>10537343
>>10537364
Do you always make this many excuses for your own failure?
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>>10537448
Do you always reee this hard? It's kit for a fantasy larp, not a reenactment. I'm on the field with people wearing everything from good quality plate, to fairy wings and dresses, to skaven completely with full face masks, to fucking treeman costumes.
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>>10537463
/cgl/ is a dying board and /larp/ used to be a much more active thread. By posting kit you've broken the tomb seal and the shrieking banshees of nitpickers past are now free.
For what it's worth, I think your mail is fine for whatever your local game is. I see SCA football dads trundle around with chunkier shirts and Kydex armor all the time, and no one gets huffy about them.
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>>10537588
T.hanks anon.
Hungarian larpfag actually gave some solid advice , some of which i'll end up acting on. My sleeves, at least, were already annoying me, and I think I can fix them in an afternoon of work. Plus I actually like the brig gorget it led to me finding. Covers the exact spot I target on shield fighters. Worst case, if I don't like it, it's cheap enough that it'll become loaner kit.
Productive overall.

>I see SCA football dads trundle around with chunkier shirts and Kydex armor all the time, and no one gets huffy about them.
To be fair, they're probably ignored because, well. SCA. Pointless.
>dying board
Feels like most boards are, really.
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>>10537463
Let me guess, American?
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>>10537629
he is right though
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>>10537606
/pol/ and the 2016 election strangled the life out of this site. 4chan was already a subpar site for talking about hobbies, and no one wants to hang around on the website everyone knows as the Qanon forum.
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>>10537629
Yes. This setup isn't for use in the US though.

>>10537630
Careful, you'll interrupt the traditional shitflinging.

>>10537631
Preaching to the choir. The only board that isn't ruined by their shit is /fit/. /k/ and /his/ are fucked. /tg/ is... not great, but not as bad.
Add in everyone being in facebook groups for this shit, and our hobbies all being dead because of corona, and we're fucked. I blame Hiroshimoot. Mods have been worse than i've ever seen then since he took over.
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>>10537632
you don't have to blame the modes when the average poster is clincially retarded. The problem started way sooner when 4chan became popular, millions of new users came in and nobody kept the doors AND most of the old userbase just simply left.

But you can accept this or move one or just remain here and rage at the retards. I see no other options
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>>10537632
If you’re using this in a Euro game, name it, so I can avoid a subpar event with no standards.
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>>10537658
Hang on, which one is your favorite? I'll fly out just for you
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>>10537630
So what your saying is that you love and approve of his kit? Got it.
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>>10537662
Well, no big problems with the kit that's for sure.
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>>10537658
To be fair, I'd be interested to know what game it is as well. Most different countries/ larp spheres have wildly different kit standards, so I'd be able to to give better feedback depending on if its bico or dracken or whatever.
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>>10537463
Big oof bro. Don’t compare yourself to people who put a lot of work in their fairy or skaven kit.

>>10537588
I’ll argue that it’s also currently situational. /cgl/ By its nature is incredibly dependent on IRL interaction and activity as a fundamental driving force on its content, and that obviously not happening right now.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, /out/ is seeing a bit of a boost with people looking to get out of the house but distance.

>>10537666
The glorified rubber bands holding his links together could be a problem.
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>>10537811
>Don’t compare yourself
There's no comparison intended. It's a statement of fact. It's a fantasy kit for a fantasy setting. Good skaven/fairies/whatever get nothing but respect.
>The glorified rubber bands holding his links together could be a problem.
In the context of it being allowed/disallowed in some places? Yes. I have an old shirt of shark armor if I specifically need steel, but it's beat to shit and the armpits/random links are gone. failing that, i'll just acquire appropriate equipment before going somewhere.
In terms of longevity? No, not unless i'm involved in a full on wrestling match. I've see~50 of these shirts, they hold up very well.

>>10537697
Bico. I've actually already used the mail and helmet before- the mail is specifically allowed, has been for a couple years. Reactions to it were generally positive from anyone who actually felt the need to speak to me. Or reach out and start touching me, on a couple of occasions.
The plate is all new stuff that I acquired for bico. More armor makes running down skirmishers more fun. And hopefully it'll convince not to try to get at the artillery anymore. Fucking terrible idea. Not used to lines being that deep, in my head if I can bypass the first rank or two I should have free reign. Wrong every time.
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>>10537844
>Bico
If I see you next event, i’m pulling you from the field.
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>>10537848
I slowly start to realize why even bico started to go to shit
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>>10537848
>next event
So 2022?
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>>10537848
If you can't talk shit without sounding like a middle school hockey coach, kindly remove yourself from this site.

>>10537632
>/tg/ is... not great
I used to spend so much time on /tg/ and I genuinely have no fucking clue if it's always been this bad.

>>10537855
>2022

If you think that being in Canada will help get shit under control by next year, I have have some bad news courtesy of us rowdy boys down south.
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>>10537850
NTA, but when they relaxed the standards and let shitty murican kits in, it started to drop.

>>10537880
Man, you sound butthurt. Stay the fuck out of my country.
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>>10537880
To be fair, it's a real possibility he's trying to talk shit in his second language.

I doubt lockdowns will persist into 2022 either way. People are already starting to not give a fuck.

>>10537887
That's a different anon, I posted my kit specifically for the shitflinging.
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>>10537880
>If you can't talk shit without sounding like a middle school hockey coach, kindly remove yourself from this site.

Talking shit like a middleschool hockey coach is profoundly and traditionally Canadian, Anon

>I used to spend so much time on /tg/ and I genuinely have no fucking clue if it's always been this bad.

/pol/ influence has dragged it even lower than it was before.

Anyways, new subject: what kit upgrades have you recently made/purchased/looted from plague victims? Pic related, 16 gauge spring stainless couters to replace my older, later period 14 regular stainless ones.
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Hey there dying board of a dying website. Have a bump.

>>10537632
I share the sentiment and had a big pause from 4chan since... well, /pol/ got out of control.
Doesn't help that there is now specialised hobby discord have a decent community. Often, where a sizable chunk of oldfags moved.
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>>10537924
Acquired shitty knockoff "medieval shoes." Decided I like them, and the handful of people I know who actualy have shoes are right about how important they are, so now i'm trying to decide on where to get good shoes. Leaning towards buhurt tech.
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>>10537964
Pic of your shoes? Also, what country are you from?
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>>10537964
try to get a decent sole. slipping everywhere is no fun.
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>>10537975
US.
I only "like" my shoes in the sense that they're comfortable and visually better than wearing modern footwear. They're shit otherwise. Don't have any pictures of them on me.

>>10538033
That's the idea. I know the buhurt ones are made to not slip, and i've seen them used, so i'm fairly confident they don't suck. The chinesium shows are going to get used as slippers/night shoes for things like walking to to river to bathe rolling out of bed and taking a shit.
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>>10538033
Learn to walk properly.

>>10538057
>US
Boots by bohemond, And he couldn’t even put various modern souls on them. The absolute best value to quality you can get, and most won’t break more than $100-120

https://boots-by-bohemond.myshopify.com/
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>>10538060
Thanks gropes.
Ever think of putting a copypasta of non-shit entry level vendors together?
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>>10538063
Honestly a header with a basic vendor/maker list would be pretty good. We could workshop a "make your shit kit better" guide so the thread doesn't have to field the same questions all the time.
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>>10538063
I have, but the problem is that by the time the list is compiled, some of those businesses will have imploded or gone to shit (see: Samson historical).

Another problem is that the vendors I would suggest typically either require you to know what you’re looking for, or are historic focused, which for some reason scares most larpers.

And frankly, it’s easier to link people to stuff when they ask for it, then try to make a comprehensive list.
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>>10538071
It would be good in general. In an ideal world there's be a list of entry level vendors for various shit, and common, well known vendors to avoid. Part of the issue with US larp is that nobody knows where to get things that don't fucking suck, or cost retarded amounts.

Hence that poor bastard asking if his mytholon bracer was supposed to be so awful, or the masses of people in badly fitting "larp clothes" because the only vendors they know are
>expensive armstreet clothes
>local larp/sca vendor who tailors nothing, sizes everything for fat people, thinks clothes aren't supposed to show the wearers shape
It creates a feedback loop of not seeing examples of nice things - which you need in order to spot garbage- and not being able break the cycle yourself unless you're going to make all your own stuff, or are autistic enough about something to really dig into it.

>>10538073
Fair. Maybe go the other way, list vendors you know are particularly bad and why? Or just do what you're doing, it works.
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I'm writing 2nd episode of my larp campaign for 15-20 players. Should I write and intertwine the new characters first or the general setting and events? Theme is medieval fantasy tournament and feast.
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>>10537924
I bought these armguards on ebay a few days ago. They are a bit big for ym arms, but nothing a little bit of padding can't solve.

>>10538077
This problem also counts for Germany. I don't know how many newbies joined our group and instantly started looking on Mytholon and deinlarpshop and adamantly ignoring advice on where they could find better quality stuff. Or they did go "But anon I don't want to reenact like you. So please don't spam these shops to me." Despite me telling them that I wasn't reenacting but just looking for more bang for my bucks.
Thankfully we set up equipement guidelines last year and some of the other older players were finally willing to buy stuff from other shops then Mytholon. So there is improvement and I will just keep on telling the newcomers not to get greedy and buy shit from Mytholon but to do more research before buying anything.
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>>10538269
I've been resorting to showing people horror pictures of kits. Shit like people trying to kneel and desperately pulling their breastplate away from their throat, or friends in their kits who have trouble sitting/tying their shoes. Then letting them handle my armor. That and pulling up websites and showing them that it's not really cheaper to buy shit armor.
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>>10538269
>"But anon I don't want to reenact like you. So please don't spam these shops to me."
The hatred some larpers have for reenactment, and the amount of bullshit they talk themselves into because of it, is truly astounding. Seeing people fall into the overpriced larp trash trap when they could get reenactment gear of better quality for the same price is just saddening.
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>>10538378
I think it is something along the lines of "I want to play some fantasy role and not get a dry lecture on history." Like they imply or even told me that they didn't want to play a person from a certain period of time in the past even though I never mentioned anything like that. The main problem I think is the fact the first contact they have to Larp equipement are these webshops and they get excited by all those shiny pictures like a kid in a candy shop. If you then come rolling in and tell them that all the stuff they want to buy is shit they get very defensive because they take that critic somewhat personally and ignore the part where you want to direct them to better sources of equipement.
I mean my tips for newbies are the following:
>Do not invest to much in the beginning, because you don't know if you will even like the hobby and we cann borrow you all that is missing
>Don't buy your stuff in shops like Mytholon unless it's Larpweapons
>If you know what type of character you want to play try to have an image of what he should look like and then ask experienced people if it makes sense
>then start researching where you could get the stuff
>longtime players can give you links to the good shops
>only then start to pour all the money you want into the equipement
In the past there were sadly quite a lot of them who started directly with the money part and then sat on a pile of junk. It's always like they throw all common sense out of the window and start their shopping tour without any thought.
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>>10538398
>they get excited by all those shiny pictures like a kid in a candy shop.
This is literally exactly what happened. If I wasn't an autist who loves perusing shit like myarmory, and didn't have a lot of social intersection with buhurt/steel fighting people, i'd have been lured into buying "milanese" armor off of epic armory.

Luckily, I knew slav magic was a thing, and was willing to look at it before buying "affordable" larp armor.
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>>10538269
>>10538302
>>10538378
>>10538401
But then it also brings the problem that Larping as a hobby tends to attract people with a certain mindset. Something that plays out like this:

>Hey guys, I found this really cool art of a guy wearing armor to legs that look like this!

Those legs look like an artistic rendition of X. Here are some sources about the legs and question, but keep in mind they need to be worn with why clothing to work and the artist didn’t really take that into account for proportions.

>LOL, I’m not reenacting and those are way too expensive. For $50 less I can get these cheap ones that I found on eBay!

A few weeks later…

>He larpthread, I just got these legs and they don’t fit right and keep biting me in the nuts. How do I fix it?

They don’t fit right because they were made by a blind Pakistani guy in a mud hut. You have to do this to fix them, and you should really look into wearing them with (specific style of arming wear), Which will keep them from pinching your nuts.

>Quit pushing your elitism on me! My game says cargo shorts are fine! You guys are never helpful!

Etc etc.
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>>10538434
Pretty much this, yeah.
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>>10538434
>legs
On THAT note:
https://gfarmoury.com/details/32
https://www.buhurttech.com/product-page/legs-squire

Trying decide between these. Buhurt tech is more affordable, and looks like it'll be lighter and potentially a little more mobile. I do NOT need any protection on the back of my legs.
Gf armory is outright sexier, but at least one person i've talked has suggested that they think the strap positioning on it looks odd and aren't sure about it
I also can't tell what i'd need for arming clothes, beyond something to stop myself getting pinched/bit by the armor.
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>>10538909
It really depends, are these for bohurt or literally anything else?

The buhurt tech legs are ugly, but made for what they are sold for. Its solid product for that purpose, from a reputable company. Wouldn’t suggest it for larp, costume or history though.

I will be honest, this is the first I have heard of GF armoury, and cannot comment on the quality of the product or the professionalism of the business, but they do look significantly better aesthetically and historically.

No matter what, measure over your soft kit. If its for bohurt, you should always have panzerhose/padded leggings
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>>10539050
Larp use, might get used for bohurt if I get into it. I've seen GFarmorury reccomended by some people in steelfightign groups, too. My primary concern, honestly, is fit, stability, and mobolility. I have trash gutter greaves right now that i've modified twice, and i'm sick of dealing with armor slipping down and eating my instep.
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>>10539425
>i’m sick of dealing with armor slipping down and eating my instep.

That sounds more like a suspension issue.

If you are wearing your legs correctly, mounted off your arming clothing, that wont happen.
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I am looking to get 14th century English soft kit and was wondering if there was any recommendations for merchants that sell high quality clothing of that century. I don't mind high prices if the quality is good. Pic related.
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>>10540647
Location?
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>>10540668
Ireland thanks.
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Hosting a Medieval Fantasy Noob Nordic Larp with minimal mechanics and no spell throwing.
I want to include one or two "evil" characters with the ability to cast a spell that causes something cinematic like everyone has to freeze for the duration while doom ambient starts to play from speakers. Wouldn't that be cool? I don't know how it would work in practice though.
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>>10540674
I have not dealt with it myself, but I do know that a bunch of my euro friends swear by these guys. Product looks solid, and the prices are good.

https://medieval-market.com/male-medieval-clothing.php

>>10540694
Less is more, but don’t be afraid to also invest in effects. We require practical effects in my game. Get an MP3 of super low pitched infra sound, and a decent portable speaker, to play for the duration of the paralysis spell. Get some blood capsules for the spellcaster to use while casting spells in the dark tongue (mortals are not meant to use those words). Smoke/fog spells use simple smoke FX capsules. “Harm” attack spells are hollowed eggs filled with flour and snappers. “Sicken” spells are the same, but the shell is dyed green and its filled with gummy candy bugs.
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>>10540694
>I want to include one or two "evil" characters with the ability to cast a spell that causes something cinematic like everyone has to freeze for the duration while doom ambient starts to play from speakers. Wouldn't that be cool? I don't know how it would work in practice though.

Eh. Stuff like this doesn't really do much in my experience. An effect with no obvious physical component to react to is basically just a fancy way of you calling a hold, and it has the same shitty effect on immersion.
If you're looking for a way to create a moment with music, think of something more organic if you can. More detail about what you're trying to accomplish would help.

remember that at the end of the day, larp is a physical and visual thing. If you're missing those, it usually sucks.
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>>10540736
Seconding Medieval Market. Good stuff and great service.
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>>10540694
Im above all curious what message and experience you are trying to convey through this medium? Both the mechanic and the larp itself.
Calling it Nordic is a bit of a double edged sword usually, with everybody having their own idea or Knutepunkt/jeep circlejerk.

Were going to need a lot more info to judge: playtime, player experience/targetdem, plot runthrough or a description etc
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>>10540736
These ideas sound great. The sorcerer will have color and sound effects. He has a minion to press play if he's too busy. A smoke/fog spell is great too. The character is a corrupted high priest who is plotting against the ruling faction. When he is powerful enough he can initiate coup d'état.
>>10540860
That's why I asked what would it look like in practice and good thing I did. Sound effects will be easy, but visual effects need work still. Half of the players want immersion, but don't care if I involve gamey or joke elements. I want to host an immersive, dramatic but cozy larp for my friends (24 invited, 14 last game)
>>10540896
I say Nordic Larp because I'm planning everything according to how it affects immersion. Also because we are in a Nordic country and I haven't participated in anything but Nordic larps with immersion focus.
Immersion means to lose yourself in the game, forgetting your real life for a minute, but also to not having to roll a dice or having to argue with your fellows that did you get hit by a boffersword or not. Play to Lose and Play for Big Game, I think are the core principles. If my character will create lots of drama and immersion for others by dying then it is the right action.
The game is going to be one day campaign game. Setting is in a universe of my creation. A tournament is held in the Emperor's castle and a feast after that. The tournament is a good way to break the ice and noobs will learn how boffer-weapons work right away. I drew a lot of influence from Roman government. Examples of characters already insisted:
>A loyalist statesman employing inquisitors to find traitors
>A corrupted Pontiff who has an Eldritch horror whispering in his ear, promising power
>A Noble lady assassin
>An Elite Praetorian Centurion
>The Emperor and his heir(s)
>A Tribune who wants peace and mediates between all factions
I'm writing almost everything and that's fine.
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>>10532631

I'd like to make a couple armours for my brother and I, and go to town on eachother with sticks and bats. I mean I'd like to straight up club him, but that'd cost money in hospital bills. I know chainmail protects against slashing, but what protects against blunt attacks?
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>>10540736
>https://medieval-market.com/male-medieval-clothing.php
Thanks for the recommendation, they look much better than the other places I have been looking.
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>>10541043
Padding/Quilted defenses, and plate.

If you’re really asking this question, I suggest find your local SCA or Bohurt group and talking to them first.

>>10541049
Goes back to that convo we had here about reenacting kit being better and cheaper than most specifically marketed larp trash.
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>>10541067
Hey Gropey, check your email. Sorry it took a while, but we talked a couple months ago about some circus stuff and I finally got the information I was looking for.
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Looking to build a nice looking undead skeleton/monster kit that will end up looking similar to (pic related) for larp.
>Warning: I've never tried making a well disguised kit like a skaven, fae, monster before, so I was hoping to get some pointers and ping-pong Ideas for a little inspiration.

>idea for the head *hardest part to pull off IMO
Articulated Sallet helm to cover everything but face with visor up
a masquerade skull or Halloween mask glued to the front of a black morph mask. I'd like to avoid body paint if possible.
I'd need advise for a possible fake eye trick

https://www.mostlydead.com/products/skull-makeup-effects-appliance-mask
This is the best thing I've found to put overtop a morph mask. I think the fake jaw would help pull off the illusion, but it's a bit too pricey for my taste.

>idea for the arms/feet
They make opera gloves & Halloween gloves that look-like skeleton arms. i figured I could find a nice pair to put under some armor pieces but idk how uncomfortable this could be for all day larp...

>wear and tear/grime on the clothes would be relatively easy
>but damage & past injury props would be tricky to incorperate to make them larp safe/friendly
I was wondering what you think would be best for how to pull this off.
Also if any of you know any costume sellers or prop makers that sell anything that could make this really convincing I'd appreciate it...
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>>10541018
So, scorer stuff isn't my forte. I can tell you that things don't need to suddenly, instantaneously happen to work well.

Example:
We had a "boss fight" consisting of a waves of standard NPCS and a man in a decent costume with a big fucking hammer (6'6") and the skill/physicality to keep it moving in big, controlled arcs while still throwing regular strikes. He had a combat call- quake- but it came with an obvious physical component in that you could hear and see the hammer being smashed into the ground. Easier to stay immersed than just saying it, expecially since he hit a few of us (staff) full force when we got too close to him, and we hammed it up and let ourselves get knocked off our feet.

Immediately after this was sorcerers. That room (actually outside, we'd set up a fairly large castle with tarps, this happened at night) was set up well in advance, with music already playing, fog machines having been on for an extended period, and concealed LED strips and lights used to add to it all. No call needed (or desired) to indicate the motherfuckers in the room were magic, the effects, costumes, and music made it obvious instead.

Not sure if this helps- I know how to break an encounter, or how to enhance a scene like this, but i'm never the guy writing them.

tl;dr
practical effects, any sort of "call" needs an obvious physical component that a dumb child would understand might do the thing you're talking about. If we'd just yelled quake at people, it would have sucked ass.
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>>10541283
Honestly, if you just have fully armour over black clothes/ gambeson, and then make sure you wear gloves if you don't have gauntlets, that'll probably do. I'd say just scrap the idea of eyes and just go for empty sockets, otherwise seems good.
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>>10541256
Nothing yet, but I will email you when I get it!

>>10541283
>>10541308
I think y’all are way overthinking it. A simple mask with the black fabric mesh eyes goes a long way, as well as a generic robe made out of burlap. It looks plenty rotted especially after wearing it for a little while and letting it thread up. Add to that if you piecemeal pieces of old rusty armor, some molded skeleton gloves, and maybe a retired and stained tabard with brown blood stains on it, and you’re good to go.

Pic related.
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>>10541340
I sent it to the SC circus gmail, the one I talked to you with last time. It's nothing too important, but some interesting info I found while digging through old family history.
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>>10541380
Just got it!
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Need interesting character ideas for a medieval larp. Combination or "twin" characters are cool, as in very intertwined characters being either brothers or great rivals.
I haven't read enough fantasy novels.





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