Forgive me for being a thousand years late to noticing this, but... did AP really pull this cut out of the vault? Do you think it's old school enough, or is it just an imitation/lacking the same spirit as the original because the trims are different? Did any of you buy it? Should AP have a "classical" series like Baby?Tartan Check Shoulder Ribbon JSK (2018)Gingham Color Scheme Shoulder Ribbon JSK (2019) (Color Scheme? More like clown vomit)Shoulder Ribbon JSK (Winter 2002-2003)
>>10475407Wow good eye anon I never even noticed that
>>10475407Out of all the old school dresses they could have gone with too, would die for some gobelin.
>>10475419We're coming off summer releases, so gobelin wouldn't make sense. You could start keeping your fingers crossed for upcoming autumn releases though
>>10475419Did AP ever really do a lot of gobelin though? Lolibrary only has Royal Unicorn Gobelin and four pieces from 2001/2002. When I think of Gobelin I think of Baby or Mam Maxicimam.
>>10475407AP has released several renditions of this dress over the years. At least 10 or so times.
Share you fav coords with jackets
>>10475449Meta too. They have bear and floral gobelins. Basically all non AP sweet.
>>10475529I dumped the last two times. You do it.
>>10476348End of dump for now
>>10476345>>10476346Damn, I’m an MM fag who hates AP but this is gorgeous.
>>10476894I need these ears
>>10476580Then you don't hate AP, retard
BTSSB Fruit Tart Embroidery JSK I. One of the first lolita dresses I saw as a teenager so it holds a special place in my heart. Also feat. a short cake mini hat.
>>10478454ouch, that edge
>>10478454NAYRT but you can definitely hate modern AP. Emphasis on prints is a cancer and helped create the taobao boom of uninspired clip art dresses we see today.>>10476332>>10476348>>10476349These are gorgeous
Meta is bringing back their old school looking 3-frills flounce dress, different colorways this time though. No lavender or green, but a soft blue and some plaids, plus red/white and black/white.
>>10478891Fuuuuuck I WANT IT
>>10478905I missed the first round so I'm tempted as hell.
>>10478891Hideous as usual
>>10478938You go to hell
>>10478891Is it a regular pastel pink or more of a dusty muted pink? Still super cute
>>10478891material doesn't look the same?? idk i always like jsks that look like this but ..the charm is missing
>>10479134It's more of a dusty muted pink.
>>10478891Gulls how do you choose between the colourways? I fucking like black, sax, red and tartan omg I want them all
>>10479173i choose the one that i can coord in the most ways with what i have!
>>10479173What does the rest of your wardrobe look like? I have solids elsewhere in mine, so I would got for a tartan personally. But it might not be a good choice for your wardrobe.
>>10479162I cant put my finger on it either, i love lace monsters and i am not a big fan of this one.
>>10479204>>10479162The fabric looks thinner and more plastic-y, the same way >>10475407 does
>>10479204>>10479162I kinda can't look at it without seeing a thousand shitty taobao/ali/bodyline replicas of this style over top.
>>10476580I don't remember when I saw it, but this reminded me of a post acting like wearing oldschool and liking AP are mutually exclusive. Oddly enough, IW and AP have made some of my nicest oldschool pieces but they're probably the two worst quality brands for modern releases.
>>10479206Ayrt, im a meta fag but out of the two tartans i think the AP looks higher quality
>>10479206The amount of overlighting and exposure on the new stock images are ruining it for me from every brand. Its like the lighting you see in a walmart or grocery store.
Has anyone found good taobao shops to buy old-school inspired pieces? Most of them look like modern dresses in solid color ways, or just looking like replicas of popular designs.
>>10479415Do you think the unprofessional lighting/photography from the early days was a benefit or hindrance? I think it's charming in a goofy way, but also appreciate a high quality crisp close-up of lace and such, and we don't really have those. Now I want to try adding photos of my stuff to Lolibrary but can't figure out that dashboard thing. I keep getting 403 errors.
>>10479952>Now I want to try adding photos of my stuff to Lolibrary but can't figure out that dashboard thing. I keep getting 403 errorsYou can't add photos to a listing unless you have a certain rank iirc. You might want to join the lolibrary discord and ask about it.
Would you gulls be interested in old school style YouTube videos? What topics would you prefer?
>>10480400No, all the oldschoolers worth caring about have websites that they update with some regularity.But out of curiosity what topics would (you) want to cover?
>>10480400i like used clothing hauls that show closeups and try on a coord with the dress. seeing the dress in high resolution helps me decide whether i should buy the dress if i ever see it available.also showing currently-stocked items that can be combined well with oldschool pieces would be good.
>>10480400I would prefer a blog over youtube videos.
>>10480400I'm very interested!
>>10480400why would you ask the fringe of people here who are cranky and enjoy shitting on everything?
>>10480417This exactly. I love reading blogs but hate watching YouTube videos for fashion content
>>10480417Not the OP who started this convo but I've been sitting on a Blogspot for years wondering what to do with it, I think I might have myself a lolita digital diary now.
>>10480400I would be interested in either a blog or videos about modern pieces being used in old school styles, specially from taobao or less known sites.
>>10480400Yes, I want to see videos diving into the Proto-lolita substyle personally.
>>10480655There is no such style as proto lolita
>>10480655shut up, O.
>>10480682Yes there is, it is the old style of old school substyle. Proto is as much a style as sailor and hime. Imagine being this new.
Hospitality Doll is overrated
>>10480696Only O. 's asslickers believe in this bullshit
>>10480754As well as Die Walkurie
>>10480762Confession: If I see someone wearing this, I automatically assume they’re fashy
>>10480764It s not a confession it's normal
>>10480754Because people bought it for the hype and not the love. I haven't seen many great or creative modern coords with it. It's funny because it's basically a vintage sexy nurse costume.>>10480764if by fashy you mean fashionable, then yes ma'am
>>10480831just look through the egl tag on neocities
>>10480754posted right after one sells for cheap > i-it's overrated! its ok anon you'll get one some day
>>10480754I think it's cute but not worth its western market price by far. But that's how I feel about most dresses which sell way above retail tbqh
>>10480840where? I never seen it go for cheap
Reminder : I love your style. You are a beautiful creature with great fashion choices
>>10481208Oh, well thanks
>>10480764well, what's wrong with being fashy?
>>10481277kill yourself nazi
>>10481282You're so mad kek
>>10481277go back to pol
>>10481475Idk if anon is mad, I think it’s normal to hate fascists desu
How trustworthy Ophelia's old school guide?
>>10482984It's a little bit too strict but otherwise its pretty good
I want to dress old school so badly but I'm fucking giant with 75 cm waist
>>10482984>>10485558>>10485603Where can I read it?
>>10485589meta and maxicimam are your friends now
What do u think about R. R. Memorándum?
>>10485898The designs look fine, but her things sell out in literal seconds so I haven't been able to get anything. It seems like she's not making enough stock and I get it's a lot of work for one person, but it's kind of ridiculous at this point.
>>10485898Never heard of them till now but thank you for sharing, I actually really like their stuff.
>>10485903>It seems like she's not making enough stock and I get it's a lot of work for one person, but it's kind of ridiculous at this point.>since i didn't get it she needs to make more stuff reeeeewhat is logic? plenty of us have gotten from her.
>>10485898I desperately want to buy some of her stuff, but it always sells out before I can get any.
>>10485920>plenty of usdoubt
>>10485898i like some of her designs but the stitching is atrocious for the price
>>10485589seconding what >>10485758 said.I wanted to add that bodyline has nice oldschool pieces, i have this one that fits me perfectly in 2L, lenght included. It actually hits just above my knees with a petti (I'm 5'10).https://lolibrary.org/items/bodyline-brenda-4-tier-frill-op-with-cameo-l087
>>10485974Only poorfags buy bodyline
>>10485980It's actually nice to have cheaper pieces that you can wear without worrying about potentially damaging them.
>>10485980Man, I really want this skirt Bodyline used to sell to wear to work on Halloween. It has a purpose. And some pieces look really nice coorded well!
>>10485898I managed to snag a pair of bloomers and those cherry UTKs at the opening sale. I’ve wanted some longer cotton bloomers for an old school look and they’re great for that. Sadly, since then I’ve not been able to order anything else. I wanted a skirt and a bow, but it always sells out in seconds.>>10485980Nah man
>>10485980I wish I had bought bodyline when it still had old collections
>>10485980How old are you guys? I'm old enough to remember when all the lolitas who were into old school were into it because they were poorfags and it was all they could afford.
>>10486019Im in my mid 20s
>>10485980kek you must really have nothing going on in your life to be spamming poorfag over cgl for (you)s
>>10485758might be an outlier but my only meta skirt has a 64cm waist...
>>10475392anon where did you pick this this up? - I remember this posted in the super early days of egl livejournal. Nostalgic as hell. I recognise the oldschool Demonia Charade 23 mary janes on the right.
>>10486073Older meta is smaller, most of the new skirts are fully shirred
>>10486073I just assume poster is talking about how maxicimam and Meta still occasionally put out some old-school-looking pieces with a lot of shirring/elastic. Plus size maxicimam isn't actually as old as old school, I think? But it looks like old school and works for the style.Meta's always had lucky packs where the skirts are fully elastic. Their regular releases vary a lot, but the lucky packs are made very simply and they simply put an elastic waistband on a rectangle skirt.
>>10478891i'm angry ive seen this cause now i need it, >>10478938you're opinion is incorrect and not valid, blocked
>>10486317I think MAM is 90% old school style
>>10486019I'm 30. Yes there were lots of ita/sad coordinates labeled oldschool because they mostly consisted of offbrand/bodyline. However some of my favorite blogs or posters who lived in japan (or wore daily elsewhere) posted gorgeous oldschool looks with rare older brand items. Many of these coords would probably be labeled gothic at the time but now people differentiate between gothic coords and black/white oldschool.
Where do you guys find high quality cotton by the yard? Ive been wanting to make blouses based on some of my oldschool AP ones. Some of them are made of a nice soft breathable cotton material with a pretty texture(grain?) and I want to find something similar. I've been nervous about buying randomly online and the fabric stores nearby dont have what I'm looking for. Also a recomendation for thicker high quality cotton that would be suitable for a skirt/dress, preferably with texture to it, would be appreatiated. Price isn't a concern.
>>10486392https://www.maxicimam.com/?mode=cate&cbid=216963&csid=3&page=1It's more like 50/50. They do modern style stuff as well, but I don't think it's very popular. >>10486497Cotton canvas maybe? I ordered some from Japan and it's honestly awesome. It's thick and has some texture to it, but it's still soft and feels really durable. I bought some to use in a quilt without realizing it was different and I feel like it's gonna outlast the regular cotton squares next to it.
>>10486522I'm in love with that print
>>10486522Do you remember what shop you got the fabric from?
>>10486623Sadly no, they were just random auctions on Yahoo Japan.
Share your Instagram
>>10486530I hope you are not thinking about using it for lolita
>>10486650I'm not planning on using it for anything. Idk the source, and I can't sew. I just love the subject and art style in general.
I got an old angelic pretty skirt and the tag on the inside just says "pretty". How old is the skirt approx?
>>10491713As old as old AP can get.
>>104917132001 or before
>>10491713I think they changed the tags during 2002, so at least that old
Has the old school trend died?
>>10493842No. The more you ask the more it stays alive
>>10493842Nah. Oldschool pieces are still selling high on lacemarket and oldschool coords still do really well on COF
I have AP lace wristcuffs with the 2005ish tag but none of the coords I see from them had wrist cuffs. When do you think they really started to become common?
>>10493984>oldschool coords still do really well on COFkek what doesn't do well on CoF?
>>10493842I wish. I want it to get cheap again.
>>10494340Sometimes things get listed for cheap on LM, but anything either velveteen or with shirring tends to be popular (fatties and I guess people who just like the textures)
Old school isn't as nearly popular as sweet
>>10495834Wow. Thank you for this insightful, ground-breaking opinion.Any other words of wisdom to share with us?
>>10495839Why so salty
>>10493842It's still popular. We have old school generals way more often than we did in the past.
>>10495855This one doesn't look very active
>>10495862A large majority of coords in the good coords thread are old school too.
>>10495865I think its because you still can get main pieces for cheap on Japanese secondhand market
>>10492133Is there any other way I'd be able to identify it and guess its age? It has a cute fruit printed fabric and red and white ladder lace. The fabric is pretty thin in comparison to some of my other angelic pretty skirts that are from 2004-2006.
>>10485903You are very entitled.
>>10496556Trawl through old GLBs?
>>10496556If you’re really at sea you could try posting it to the ”What is this dress” Facebook group. They’ve helped me out in the past. But t b h it’s probably not worth it because it’ll be called something like “fruit skirt” from some time in 97-98 or something underwhelming like that
>>10496556Post a pic, maybe someone itt can id the dress
>>10496556As someone said, going through glbs from that time helps. It might also be in the hellolace stock photos saved on lolita history.
Thoughts on the Demonia Crux 07 for old school?
>>10496556What fruit? There’s a 2002 strawberry print skirt with ladder lace on lolibrary
Can someone do a fb/insta old school dump for those of us without social media?
>>10496684Do not buy, i love demonia and these specific shoes fell apart on after buying nwt.
>>10496684Seconding >>10496760, demonias constantly break
>>10496696Apples and small berries. It wasn't on lolibrary.
I need to get a pair of white shoes, but I'm not sure what kind would be appropriate. I have black platforms and regular black maryjanes, so I was hoping to get something different. I'm looking for something that is currently in stock.
>>10497508Im not really a fan of RHS specifically. I feel like the straps would be annoying.
>>10497772you can browse instagram without an account if you're genuinely interested.
>>10498294I used to, but they've recently limited your access if you don't have an account, so I thought I'd ask.
>>10497880There are RHS without straps
What are old school options for fatties?
>>10498953to loose weight
>>10498953full or partial shirring, MAM
anyone have a picture of this skirt being worn? I feel like it had an old street snap and I cant find it
What additions can make my oldschool outfits less plain? For example, for classic this is vests and boleros, inflexible bonnets and decorated flat hats; for gothic there are lots of options - all the previous but in dark colors and also corsets, harnesses, jackets and long jackets, unusual headdresses like Antique Beasts ones...But in oldschool I'm stunning. I can only remember aprons. Any suggestions?
>>10502595Pompom hairties, pearl accessories, higher platform shoes or more strappy shoes, large bags, crown headpieces, more elaborate natural hairstyles, bustiers or corset tops like the vintage VW tops.
>>10502595ffs, this should be in the stupid questions thread.
What do you think about the YouTube old school lolita collaboration?
>>10510450I thought they were all fun to watch except the two people who didn’t actually own/wear old school. Like why are you participating in a themed video about a style you don’t wear?
>>10502369based meta, does anyone know if there are any other skirts that look like this?
>>10510453Name those people?
>>10510464The first and last people on the playlist
>>10510450I liked it. I wish my favourite lolita took part in it
is the old school discord still around?
>>10510824who? just curious if I'm subbed them on yt
>>10510876not that anon, but really? I thought I was kicked for being inactive.
>>10510879They used to kick/ban seagulls, but the discord was deleted several months back.
>>10511071No seriously I am not kidding it got deleted
>>10511077You must have been banned or some shit.
>>10511083You're a loud idiot
>>10511058I'm making a new discord, gull friendly. Would anyone like to join it when ready?What channels would you like it to have?
>>10511262It's a discord where nobody gets kicked out for being "suspicious"
>>10511272So, a server for suspicious people with less vetting? More drama? Hard pass. Seriously, wow, great idea though!
>>10510858It's still very much around, though they did a purge recently based on inactivity.
>>10511272This is so stupid lol
>>10511058Than why Ophelia and Nazi-chan are there?
>>10511294Because they're not in there to cause drama.
What brands are old school? MetaAPBabyIWCornetMAM ETCLab de Merveilles R. R. Memorandum
>>10511254There is already several servers that are gull friendly, do you really need another hug box to go gossip in?
>>10511309you're an idiot. take estate to the stupid questions thread
>>10511294Nazis in the sjw safespace server?
>>10481931I have the dress on the left in bl/white, anon who named the img is correct, it's amazing.
>>10511083i didn’t! it’s just gone i’ve asked others about it and everyone i know doesn’t know what happened
>>10511321can you stfu already? nobody's buying it
>>10511321yeah i thought it got nuked too anon. those gulls probably started their own uNiQuE servers afterward i'm sure, doesn't mean the actual old school server still exists
>>10511322Why are you so mad about me saying the old school server got deleted? I’m really sad about it
Since the original Old School Server got nuked, anyone have the link to the other one?
>>10511326It wasn't nuked and it's still active, retard. Some butthurt person is trolling because they got b&.
>>10511327How do you know? Are you in the server?
>>10511329I'm not in it, but when I click the invite in the old school Facebook group it's still active. I left because they're all obsessed with old school purity and "proto", and I predominantly wear Baby's classical series.
>>10511330:( why do you keep lying about the group existing i don’t get it. it’s not funny
>>10511330Are you sure you're not getting it mixed up with a different server? I know there are a few floating around
>>10511335nta but i'm in it and that sounds about right
>>10511353How can you be in it if it's gone? You're not making any sense anon.
>>10511326It's working but fuck those fucking bitches they are all fucking nasty stinky bitches
in the beginning there was 1 old school server. then the owner of the server and her bff had a falling out, so bff made her own server. it existed for a short period of time before finally dying and she deleted without warning. the original old school server is still up and active although quiet.
>>10511591no i think you’re thinking of it the other way around
>>10511309Your missing about 20 brands that no longer exist but are still well known. Haha but unless rr menorandom Time traveled to the year 2000 or wait 20 years they will never be oldschool they're just cheap knockoffs
I'm starting to think the old school server never existed at all and this is just elaborate bait.
>>10511653no I think that's right
>>10511711i agree and i think you’re onto something anon. I’ve never seen the link, I don’t know anyone who’s been in it or invited at all
>>10511711You can find some drama screencaps on lolcow so it did exist.
>>10511851The caps weren't from a old school server
>>10511857there are caps from one on lc.
>>10511863why are you responding to bait
>>10511866why aren't you?
>>10511863the caps are from the /fa/x/cgl/ discord. it says so on lc
>>10511884No, in one of the previous threads there were some from their discord. Pretty sure they were old though
Which old schooler inspires you the most? My fav is Nef
>>10512324I'm gonna just pretend this isn't bait. Why Nef?
>>10512328Her coording skills are very good, she knows how to colour balance and also she is pretty *lesbian vibes*
>>10512332Please lurk more jesus.
>>10512332I think I know who you are and you need to stop being creepy toward her. I don’t even like Nef and this is just weird
>>10512399Not true. She ate pussy once. I was there.
>>10512399But I'm not. Ayrt
Where have all the good old schoolers gone???
>>10514227They all quit when Queen Ophelia said it wasn't cool anymore.
>>10514227You just need to look closer. Personally I like @serpentmirror whose account I only found recently.
>>10514227Instagram and Neocities. Facebook is dead, Old School Server is dead, Amino was never good, Livejournals been dead, and CGL is full of self righteous brats, itas, and larpers
>>10514545Yet you're still here.
>>10485980And you're not a real lolita if you wear BL
>>10514227they disappeared along with the discord
>>10486239All of the dozens of Meta dresses I've owned have been massive. But the non-shirred skirts are generally super small.
>>10514588Found the salty brat/ita/larper>>10514752Good
>>10514821You still won’t feel better about your life when your perceived threats are gone anon
>>10514856Butthurt oldschooler detected
>>10514868Whatever makes you sleep at night
>>10514752Does anyone know what happened to the old school discord? I wasn't a big poster, so I had just assumed I was kicked for not enough activity but I'm really sad to hear if it's gone completely. :(
>>10514821>Found the salty brat/ita/larperSo you feel at home? You still haven't left.
>>10514950It still exists, it just got smaller. All of the permanent invite codes still work, just use the archive. The admin posted them here herself.
>>10514979kek, keep seething.
>>10514982The admin didn't share invites here. They were publicly available on the Facebook group and eventually shared here. Any member was able to create an invite iirc, though they might've changed that since. >This is all speculation if you believe this fabled discord existed at all.
>>10514982I don’t understand why you keep lying about this discord ever existing
>>10515008This invite link doesn't work? Am I banned or are you still trolling?
>>10515011Seems like you're banned
>>10515011Invite link doesn’t work because it doesn’t exist
>>10515049I can't believe I fell for the bait. I'll see myself out for being gullible.
>>10515011>>10515049worked for me
does anyone have pics of the black/black colorway of pic related? it was in GLB 7 if that helps
>>10515202Here is from an old Wunderwelt listing. One was sold on Mercari last year for a good amount, but I couldn’t find the listing now.
How to become a popular old schooler?
>>10515635Quit while you’re ahead
>>10515635Let the old school trend die already
>>10515708This. Old school is cringy.
>>10515635Wear it well. Post it online.
>>10515779Not that it’s cringey, I love old school. Just stop wearing old school. Sick of the trendhoppers
>>10515819>Just stop wearing old school???
>>10515903Trendhoppers who don’t appreciate the dresses and wear them to get attention don’t need to be in old school
>>10475407god i wish ap would make their own classics line. they have such a nice back-catalog. even if they rereleased some of their 2010 era solids i think those could go gangbusters
>>10516068They’re rereleasing nakayoshi bunny and a few other older dresses next year actually
Why it was black, white, pink and sax colors that became the most popular in old school?
>>10514950I think they just made a big purge and changed the rules to make having social media a requirement. I kinda regret not having joined earlier now. If I'd be willing to do that, I wouldn't use discord..
>>10515973>>10515819imagine being this much of an absolute autist just because someone said the scene is cringe
>>10517395And redI mean, theyre cute and easier to pair with black shoes
>>10517395I think it was the imagery people were trying to create back then and also related to the influences many brands were drawing from (music, goth and punk fashion, victorian era, and also the "princess" and "alice" look). Reds and tartans came from punk, black and white are the gothic staples, pink was your typical sweet princessy colour and the blue was Alice in Wonderland.
>>10518344That sounds trustworthy. Thank u
So, standard black x white old school is sweet, classic or gothic?
>>10518375Most old school reads sweet to me
>>10518376>>10518376It's gothic, not that sweet vomit
>>10517584Is a 68-70cm waist too fat (5"4 for ref) for most old school? I am thinking of dieting to get down to 64
>>10518588Yeah, it is. Diet to 60-62 max
>>10518593Any tip? I work a physically demanding job so my stupid body demands more food than when i can just easily live on 1000kcal or less while at home doing nothing
>>10518598Take your time. Harsh dieting will only fuck up your health
>>10518588No. You will definitely be able to find great oldschool pieces that will fit you and look great, but you won't get the pick of the litter the same way more petit girls will, you'll have to be very judicious about cuts and measurements.t. oldschool enthusiast who's at 70cm because of a huge ribcage and short as fuck torso