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Last thread: >>10392900

That pose some lolitas do for pictures that looks similar to ballet's fourth position looks awkward and unflattering on pretty much everyone.
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>>10401967
hear me out. I think it's possible to get a good Lolita coord on Aliexpress. Here is my recipe:
1. Google images is your best friend. Search by image to avoid replica
2. Look at the material for the love of god. If there is polyester abort mission
3. Ingnore stars. Look at images posted as a review. Zoom in on that shit.
4. avoid patterns. Sewing shapes will most likely not be art theft however a lot of the time the pattened ones are.
5. Lolicals is best store
6. Any Bell skirt does not equal lolita
7. If the shop sells cosplay run
8. You could buy the main peice as brand elsewhere. Blouses, accesories and tea parties are usually decent
9. Just because it has a bow doesn't mean it's lolita
10. All things that sparkle are not gold.
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>>10402023
Also Loligals not lolicals
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Who tf is posing like this?
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>>10402032
Not OP but I've actually seen a lot of people pose like that. Usually awkward itas, I don't think I've ever seen anyone well-dressed pull anything like that.
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>>10402032
Extending one leg in front of you, pointed towards the camera while resting your weight on your hind leg is a flattering pose that helps to show off your legwear. Dumbasses who fail to replicate this end up in something similar to fourth position.
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>>10402023
I guess it's possible, but with the amount of money they charge, you're better using taobao in most cases.
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>>10402032
I've never bothered to look at ballerina legs but these legs are buff. Wow.
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>>10402042
Damn, how? Fourth takes some skill to fucking stand like that.
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>>10402023
>not starting the thread with a photo of the pose that you hate
anon
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>>10402023
pardon my dumb ass, >>10402366 was meant for >>10401967
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>>10402195
No shit, have you tried holding your leg up next to your head while standing?
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>>10401967
You want everyone to pose like this pic then? Unless one has really thin legs, standing with them side by side is more unflattering.
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>>10402379
Thats a powerful stance
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>>10401967
Like I said in the last thread, I am taking pics to show you my coord and I could give a flying fuck if the pose is entertaining or flattering. Generic lolita pose shows all of the elements of the coord well and that’s what matters
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I know I will get called jelly poorfag for this but does anyone else feel gross or sorry for someone that buys tons of brand all the time but still live with parents or room mates in their mid to late 20s and sometimes even older? I used to like lots of people with content and posts showing off what they buy but now it just screams loser who can’t be responsible. It makes their posts feel cheap to me like they are too engrossed with clothing to care about where their life is going. Am I the only one annoyed by lolitas who can’t stop sucking mommy’s teet?
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>>10402401
you need to step away from social media - it's making you think too hard. go on there to enjoy the cute items, not to get caught up in the community drama. social media should be for fun, sharing creative photos, not for making you bitter at the world. that's how media sucks you in, outrage news. if you get upset at things that don't concern you, pretty soon you'll be in a pit of depression.
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>>10402401
I don’t get upset but I do judge them a little. I follow a someone who took forever to move out because she said she didn’t have enough saved, meanwhile she was spending an absurd amount on lolita. Like I guess live your life but also don’t complain that you don’t have money dipshit
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>>10402401
Just because YOU live in some backwater yankee state where you can buy a mansion for fifty euro doesn’t mean that it’s possible for most people to not have roommates as an adult when living in any sort of capital city (London, Paris etc.) If you’re working class and earning an average salary for someone in their 20s in Europe, no way in hell can you look at getting your own place until some elderly relative kicks it and leaves you their inheritance, or unless you fuck your boss for a promotion lol... sick of shitty burgerland standards being enforced on this board
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>>10402401
Nah I find it gross too. As someone that's turning 30 soon, younger people in the fashion (younger than 21) kind of weird me out in general. Like, you haven't even found your identity yet, how are you pouring hundreds of dollars into this fashion you'll probably throw away in a year?

I also don't really understand the whole "my boyfriend bought me lolita aww it's so sweet" thing. I guess that seems nice, but everything I want is swiped off CC/WW/Mercari/etc if you're not paying very close attention. It would be super stressful for my significant other to lurk on sites waiting to buy me a gift like that. I'm probably just jealous that the people who get lolita things as gifts want easy-to-buy/ready-to-buy items.
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>>10402418
This. If you live near the capital you either have to be rich as hell or have connections to buy or rent something decent. Also you aren’t really expected to move out as soon as you can, if you’ve a good relationship with your family, don’t have a spouse and a need to commute long distances to work or school, you live in your family home.
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>>10402401
I had something similar. I used to be jealous of young people who could hit multiple big cons a year until I shared a discord with a girl who splurged on multiple cons and bought a ton of merch but constantly bitched about not being able to afford rent or veterinary care and mooched off of people to make it up. Not that every frequent congoer or large wardrobe lolita is like that, plenty of them budget their finances to responsibly splurge on what they care about, but I do think that after a certain age it's good to start learning some financial responsibility.
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>>10402401
In a lot of cultures living with your parents is the norm and there’s also people who are their parents caretakers. why do you care??? unless they constantly complain about wanting you move out then yeah I get it but *shrugs* success and adulthood isn’t defined by who you live with that’s a very narrow mindset
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>>10402401
Depends on the area. If you live somewhere expensive, its cheaper to buy an extra $300 dress a month than spend $1.5-2k a month on rent. Even if you save that 300 for the whole year that's only a few months rent, and it'd be better to just wait and improve your job situation
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>>10402401
In my culture, it's pretty normal for girls to live with their families until marriage. It costs 2k per month to rent your own place and buying is out of the question if you aren't making 6 figures. I'd rather build my savings and help my parents pay their mortgage and bills than give up most of my income to some shitty landlord.

Why do care so much if some random lolita on your feed might not be financially responsible? Just unfollow people if you don't like their lifestyle choices.
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>>10402401
Very american of you. In most cultures besides the US idea that you are 18 get out...most people stay with their parents for longer. There are whole familes that have multiple generations living together. Its normal for this to be the case and makes sense to share living expenses. Dont assume that everyone is mooching either, most adults living with their parents are sharing responsibilities or rent or both.

Really it is more financially responsible to stay at home as long as you can, you dont look better wasting money on rent to try to prove you are mature/an adult. Unless your job situation means you need to move away, it is stupid to rent anyways. And owning is crazy expensive in most big cities
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>>10402401
The only time I judge someone for that kind of thing is if it's a dating context. I'm not gonna date a lazy loser who lives with mommy at 30. But if it's random people, I couldn't care less.
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>>10402418
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>>10402442
Nayrt, but this is heavily pushed in America. Can you really blame us if it's been drilled into our heads since day 1?

Living with your parents == failure for us. So it makes sense why we view everyone else the same way. Just as you don't understand why it's such a big deal to still live with your parents at 25+, we don't understand how it's acceptable. America is all about "independence" and the strength of the "individual." This is one of the reason why I dislike being American. You can't really blame anon though.
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>>10402419
>As someone that's turning 30 soon, younger people in the fashion (younger than 21) kind of weird me out in general. Like, you haven't even found your identity yet, how are you pouring hundreds of dollars into this fashion you'll probably throw away in a year?
I know my experiences are far from average, but I bought my first brand dress when I was 13 and I'm 21 now. My parents were supportive and helped me pick out and pay for the pieces of my first coord, which was all secondhand brand except I'm pretty sure the shoes were bodyline. I didn't have lots of other hobbies so they never complained about it being expensive and I almost exclusively bought secondhand. Once I got a job I could afford my clothes on my own anyway. I live in a big city in burgerland but my parents never believed in that "must move out, must be independent" nonsense so I'm going to a good local college and still live at home.
Again, I know my experiences aren't normal, but I'm sure I'm not the only one with supportive parents and consistent interests. Desu the whole "finding your identity" thing is really weird to me. You already are yourself lmao.
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>>10402401
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/03/the-nuclear-family-was-a-mistake/605536/

I read this related article recently and found it very interesting.
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>>10402466
>"must move out, must be independent" nonsense
Lol this is exactly what the anons were talking about.
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>>10402023
It’s perfectly possible, everyone that has being in the fashion for a while knows it’s possible, the reason we say it’s not a good idea to newbies is because it’s a tricky thing to do and you need a bit more experience in the fashion, besides Aliexpress is so overpriced and they manage to make everything stink so bad.
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>>10402418
>t. searches their flat in the middle of a capital city or uni spot

>>10402431
Why do you type like a 16 year old?

>>10402442
>>10402447
It's not an american-only viewpoint.
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>>10402447
Lolita is a pretty international thing so you shouldn't be so fast to judge other people online based on your own beliefs. I also live in a country where is common to stay with your parents longer, even builing your own home in the same parcel to be close to your relatives. It saves money and makes family closer together.
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>>10402401
a large majority of japanese lolitas live at home still. its a huge thing in japan.
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>>10402401
anon, this says more to me about you than it does anyone else. I understand how you feel. But things are different now than they were for our parents. I think people live in multi-generational households in America out of necessity, and I don't judge anyone for this kind of situation. Also, it's THEIR money. It's none of my business what they choose to do with it. It's none of my business if they wrack up debt. I think you should think about this, because it sounds like a kind of projection that I don't think will be healthy for you in the long run. Maybe you feel you've worked really hard to get the things you have. That's great, that's really great, it totally is, we're not going to fault you for that. But your business is your business. Just live YOUR life, anon, and let other people just live theirs.
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>>10402234
Some people are just more flexible than others. Sometimes at work I would inadvertently find myself standing that way and I never would have noticed if it didn't freak out some of my older coworkers who felt the need to point it out/ask if I did ballet.
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>>10402401
I live in SF, I have to be making a minimum of $30/hr just to afford an efficiency. My "room" in the townhome I share with 3 other people is more than a mid-range 1 bedroom apartment in Dallas. Some people, like me, choose to live like this because of the location. And the money I save from not having a car payment/insurance can be spent on hobbies with room to spare for my rent. Just because an apartment is $600/m in bumblefuck nowhere, doesn't mean that I want to live there to be able to justify my spending on frilly weeb shit.
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>>10402535
Do you have knock knees? I do and I sometimes stand like an inverted version of 4 so my legs are the same position but my feet are facing the other way. The actual ballet pose is too difficult for me though.
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>>10402401
I live in one of the most expensive cities in America and still live with my family. I'm not planning on moving out until I graduate from school and find a good paying job. I pay for rent, bills, and buy my own food. After saving the majority of money for emergencies I use whatever is left over for lolita. So far I own 40 dresses, it's not much but I'm content. I'm also Latina and in my culture unmarried women and even married women tend to live at home with their parents.
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>>10402418
I actually live in a very large, expensive city but I always felt it was more important to be self efficient and what good is such a hobby if I’m living with parents at such an age if I’m finished with university and can’t truly enjoy my hobbies under my own roof? You like your parents decor so much? You like to live by the rules of someone else’s home for the rest of your lazy, sad life? I am European, too but I think that you are just a lazy shit that uses parents as And economy as a crutch instead of choosing a wiser occupation and having savings. Choosing that lifestyle just for your hobby is truly childish so mommy’s teet must suit you well.
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>>10402549
I had to look that up and as far as I know, no. I tried to do the inverted position and couldn't haha. At work I have to wear safety shoes and am on my feet moving around/lifting things all day, so it's not unusual for them to feel a little sore by the end. I think whenever that ballet pose ends up happening my legs are just subconsciously trying to position themselves in a way that's more comfortable.
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>>10402518
because it's normal in asian cultures. but it's not normal in american culture and people here are considered losers if they do that. i'm sure there must be other countries besides america that feel that way.
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>>10402546
It's all perspective. I'd rather live away from the chaos of the city and not crammed in with three roommates.
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>>10402379
not this fucking girl again
SHOO!!!!!!!!!!! GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>10402569
I live in Wien with a well paid job and three flatmates, get fucked lol
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>>10402401
I used to live with my parents until I was 28. My dad was very ill in his last years and I helped my mom taking care of him until he died. I was also there for her for 6 months until after his death to help her with the funeral, closing down his business, all the related paperwork etc. I don't regret a day of it and it actually helped me a lot to get my finances straight and not waste money on overpriced rent in my early 20s, just so I can call myself "independent". Also like this anon >>10402418 pointed out, housing is expensive in the big European cities if you don't want to live in a shithole.
Of course living with your parents only works if you have a good relationship with them and if you make yourself of use around the house and contribute to the costs. Leeching should never be tolerated.
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>>10402594
It's called "the American Dream" for a reason anon
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>>10402195
Now look at their feet next
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>>10402401
I agree with all the other anons who pointed out how staying with your parents can be a sound financial decision, and in my country it’s quite normal to live with your parents until you graduate university. However I also understand where you’re coming from. In my comm it’s really easy to tell which lolitas still live with their parents because of their attitude. Their parents do their laundry and get blamed for laundry mishaps. The parents do all the cooking and grocery shopping and get blamed for her weight problems. Sometimes the parents drive her to meetups and get the blame if she’s late. Any suggestion that maybe she do her own laundry, prepare her own meals or travel by herself is met with excuses. It’s so much easier to let her parents do everything, even if they do it wrong.

These are also the people who complain when their parents don’t get them the right gifts and make fun of ‘poorfags’ who would rather save for a rainy day than buy the newest AP release. They’re so used to their safety net that they have no idea what it’s like to live without one. I’ve never met a lolita who lived with her parents who wasn’t at least somewhat childish and entitled. Personally I didn’t move out until I was 23 and in hindsight, it really did change my priorities and made me much more responsible. I think moving out on your own (or with roommates/a partner) is a necessary part of emotional development for everyone whether you do it at 18 or 28.
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>>10402401
This is so American, damn. A lot of other posters have already mentioned differences in cultural expectations, but how do American families even function? Like a few people in my Discords have complained about not being able to afford rent, no savings, unemployment, etc, yet temporarily moving back in with their family is apparently impossible.
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>>10402685
they would rather commit sudoku than suffer the disgrace of moving back in with their parents. that or their parents have already converted their space into storage or whatever.
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>>10402401
living with your parents doesn't always equal irresponsibility, but I have to admit most lolitas I've known that still live at home as an adult are exactly what you describe
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>>10402530
>it sounds like a kind of projection that I don't think will be healthy for you in the long run
>It's none of my business what they choose to do with it. It's none of my business if they wrack up debt.
OP isn't the one projecting.
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>>10402594
There are, it's shunned in some parts of europe too, anons itt just search for excuses to choose the less complicated path.
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>>10402401

I mean my friend lives with 5 housemates but she has a very well paying job, so she probably has more in her retirements savings than I do. It's not irresponsible or lazy to have priorities, some of them pretty important, or to have hobbies while you're living with people as long as you can afford everything with emergency funds to spare. I say this as someone who can't stand housemates and even my parents and I agree we would probably live 10 minutes apart at best until they need help at home.
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>>10402685
I live in Europe and I absolutely love my mom, but I’d still take almost anything over moving back home. She loves and respects me but I will still always be her “child”, and the way she sees me is just not consistent with the way I see myself anymore. I’m also an introvert and having her come in and offer to bring me tea or whatever all the time would grate on my nerves even though she’d doing it because she is sweet and cares about me. You don’t have to have a poor relationship with your family to recognize that part of becoming an adult is positioning yourself as an entity separate from your parents.
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>>10402808
>She loves and respects me but I will still always be her “child”, and the way she sees me is just not consistent with the way I see myself anymore.

I completely understand this perspective, it is almost the same "argument" I used to persuade my parents when I suddenly moved out.

>>10402712
Obviously parents shouldn't be responsible for raising adults, but it just seems counterintuitive to treat offspring so coldly.

Anyways thanks for responding and sorry for going off topic. It's nice to have a forum to ask these kinds of questions anonymously.
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>>10402746
It's def shunned in the UK but for southern/eastern europe, it couldn't be further from the truth
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>>10402932
As someone who’s mother would love for me to move in but I’d rather die, I will say the social pressure is unhealthy. I think there’s value in people being able to be independent and support themselves if they want, but the “get out of my house/I hate my parents” dynamic that is ingrained in American culture isn’t super healthy. I am older with Chinese friends who’s parents live with them and take care of their kids and damn, it’s so comfy.
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>>10402685
Most Americans rarely have a close relationship with their family. They talk to their parents like once a month or less. Also they lie and/or keep things from their family a lot. There's just not really that tight family bond you see in some other countries.
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>>10402562
It's like we're polar opposites lmao

I'm Latina too and I was kicked out at 18, but like you said I'm an anomaly. I tried moving back in with my mom when i was 22 and it did not work out for us. Now I'm living in a roomy 2 bedroom with my bf, granted i have some debt (car, school loans, etc.) but I'm happy and I can wear lolita without my family judging me for it. My parents are not supportive of my hobbies, but it's not like I live at home and have to worry about it. But it would have been nice if they were cool with me doing that and letting me save up some money and not have to resort to credit cards and loans

I don't have anything against people that have a good relationship with their family, enough to stay living at home. But I also think that they fall into two categories: wisely investing and saving up for something that helps them move forward in life (education, house, property, stonks, w/e), or they are leeches and have no clue how to save any money and waste it all on frivolous shit (trust me, i know plenty in both categories)
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>>10402401
If only rent wasn't stupid high in my city I'd totally be out by now. But moving out now would be pretty stupid of me because I live in a major city with lots of universities and I'd rather get the highest degree I can get without worrying about rent. I do work and save up for all my brand purchases though and even then I calculate everything and don't buy shit monthly. Realistically speaking I'll probably move out by the time I'll get into a serious relationship/married and then split the rent with my SO.
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>>10403251
>Also they lie and/or keep things from their family a lot.
I've noticed the opposite. The people I know who lie to their parents the most are Asian families, because the parents are too strict to bond with. Americans have "friendships" with their children, while Asians are more strict and parental.
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>>10403265
I'm the anon you replied to. At first my parents were really weirded out by it but they got around after a year. Ideally, I would move out but everywhere around a 100 mile radius costs about $1 million + for a house or $2.5k a month to rent a one bedroom apartment. I also don't want to move to some shithole city in the east coast or south where I would get raped and/or murdered as a trade off for living cheap. Maybe I'll move to the hick parts of this state once I graduate.
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>>10402401
This is so American it hurts.
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>>10402401
Okay, going to say this. I don't live at home, but I lived at home until I graduated university at 22, and it gave me the opportunity to buy a lot of lolita and save up on top of that. I was really grateful for my parents financial help during that time.

I can't help but feel like you are someone who is envious of other lolitas with bigger, nicer wardrobes than you, so you cope by thinking about how they MUST be below you for some other insignificant reason. People who live with their parents for a long time do have hopes and dreams. Parents just help them find their footing, help them save up, etc. Also living with parents doesn't mean that your parents do everything for you (although there are a lot of people who don't know how to cook/clean and are coddled-but living with parents doesn't 100 percent always mean someone is "sucking mommy's teet")
This post just comes off as really judgmental, and I think you're a very envious person. A well adjusted person, with a nice lolita wardrobe they are proud of, would never have to cope with someone else having a nice wardrobe.
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>>10403305
Really? It seems like Americans do a lot of drugs and sleep around but their parents think they're pure virginal angels and don't know their child's real personality at all.
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>>10403406
you're mistaking popular tv with real life. I'd say as a generalization if you're white bread american and grown, your parents will know less about your life just from not asking, but if you're asian american with conservative parents you're going to actively hide a lot of things from them
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>>10402032
Idk, but it is bound to look retarded on anyone without excellent training.
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>>10403414
I'm American myself kek. Just my own personal observations.
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It’s 100 frigging degrees in this godforsaken desert city and I’m going to wear my halter jsks without a blouse, idgaf.
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>>10403855
Do it. It would look cute with a parasol, short socks and pretty wide brim hat with lots of flowers. Fuck the cosplaying haters it’s hot
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The ~muted pastels~ popular with some brands rn look more like washing accidents of throwing pastels to black clothes (pic related).
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>>10403855
Light short sleeved bolero
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>>10408971
i fucking hate this ugly taro/ube milk tea color
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>>10402401
This is pretty normal in my area
If you're planning for even 1 kid in the future, there's nothing livable for under 600k
and that's for a townhouse or a condo
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>>10402401
I help my parents with the bills and housework, and I'm sure a lot of anons who live with their parents still do too. I'm American but from a culture where unmarried women don't just live on their own. I don't mind it. I like my family and while they were originally confused by lolita (no doubt in part due to my early ita days), they're very supportive of it now. It's not all about money. Some people just like their families.
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>>10403855
I think a nice lace shawl would work or a short sleeve bolero
[spoiler] that said, if you're going blouseless, a halter jsk is the better of two evils [/spoiler]
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Earrings should be more popular or at least have more emphasis put on them. They really add so much to a look when done nicely.
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>>10408971
i hate it. i hate this and that dusty mauve brands keep trying to pass as "pink" these days
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>>10408984
this isnt fucking reddit
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>>10409018
i hear it called millenial pink, and it's apt because millenials are fucking depressed
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>>10409018
I agree about that decay-colored “purple,” but those dusty pinks are way more flattering on asian skin tones than the bright ones you see in western fashion
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>>10409067
As if they care about what flatters their skintone when wearing bb cream that’s 3 shades too light and using lightening filters
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>>10402428
Oh god I knew a girl like this but with concerts. Always gloating about "touring with" bands aka driving after them but at the same time whining on facebook that she's constantly broke. She also only contributed to the group if she wanted to sell some overpriced merch so we kicked her out.
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KEEP MEN OUT OF LOLITA
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I dislike pretty much every style of headdress except for maxipads and berets.

>>10409020
lmao anon, most boards on this site do in fact have a spoiler function that works like that. I like how it's always the newfags calling people reddit.
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>>10409156

Nayrt but someone still must be new or a filthy crossboarder to not know there are no spoilers on cgl. I learned it my first week here quite some time ago.
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>>10409087
I mean I’m asian and don’t wear foundation, there is real life outside of instagram
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>>10409020
Spotted the newfag
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>>10409173
You say that like most people who go on 4 Chan only ever post or lurk on a single board
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>>10403251
Most Americans? Don’t make shit up like that
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>>10409227
yes, most. look up surveys on how often adults talk to their parents.
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The hardest part about being a plus-sized sweet lolita isnt finding dresses that fit you (there are plenty)
but finding fucking cute tights or OTKs
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>>10409673
Fucking Amen

Plain tights and ankle socks for life
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>>10409623
Anon... this image makes me literally shiver.
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>>10409673
there seem to be plenty available on etsy. they're just pretty expensive
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>>10409733
Unfortunately a lot of indie shops use artsmoo and I really don't like the quality for the price. You can almost pick them out by how their mockups look or the size chart copy pasted from artsmoo

There is tejajamilla but her stuff is more suited to classic/gothic. Her key print and crown print are okay for sweet though.
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>>10409738
*almost always.

Here's the mock up from the site btw. Very easy to pick out which shops use them if you are familiar with the site
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>>10409700
most productive 10 minutes of my night
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>>10402808
Why are you talking like Europe is one country with the same culture? South of Europe is also different countries with their own culture. In my country it's not too expensive to live in a big city if you can get social housing. I live with my parents and I'm definitely considered a loser by my peers. But if I cared about living a normie life I wouldn't wear Lolita.
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>>10409800
I mean, if the difference between someone moving out and not moving out was somehow all because of a hundred bucks or so a month/every so often, there are other problems going on

But that original anon just shows how stupid they are to think that cost of living is the same everywhere, or that everyone is ok with paying $1700+ a month for a shitty 600 sq/ft apartment vs living with parents ( when given the choice )so you can save and buy a place.
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i feel like the look of a lot of jfash is homogenizing into the same thing. it's all getting closer and closer to normie shit.
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Lolitas against Capitalism or rich people are hypocrites. You spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on clothing and then claim to hate capitalism. It's pathetic.
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>>10409829
This, people are afraid to be alternative in the self-expressive way and prefer to lean into trends of hyper-perfection, instagram likes, beauty filters, and cheap fast fashion (as long as it is socially acceptable ie. e-girl and generic kawaii.) T b h jfashion IS normie now. It's less about the wearer and more about fitting in with the other NLOGs. It's lost it's heart and soul and I'm not sure if capitalism is to blame or the soul sucking nature of chasing fame on social media.
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I hate that haenuli x i do declare blouse and have never seen it look good in a coordinate
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>>10409829
How so? Aside from already normie looking jfash like gyaru I don't really see how something like lolita or fairy-kei creep closer to looking normie.
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I'm so fucking tired of seeing BLM posts for completely unrelated companies and groups. I add lolita indie companies so they can give me updates about releases, not because I care about their personal views. When I start seeing this spread to pages like Lolita Updates, where that is not a political page, I start blocking individuals who make these posts to clutter up these pages. I've blocked some of the people who are apart of this movement because they're the exact cultish "You're either with us or against us" political nutjobs I don't want adding me. I can't comment it is not the place for their deranged views, otherwise "I'm a wacist". I am glad all the brainwashed and fanatical types have outed themselves with this, though.
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I hate that brands user religious symbols on their products. It's just so cringey and seems edgy and ignorant.
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>>10410375
lolita is pretty explicitly starting to look more like crappy japanese fast fashion.
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>>10410382
*use
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I dislike enamel pins worn with lolita. The thought of poking holes into my clothes sounds very unappealing...and I try to avoid buying from people I notice wearing pins
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>>10410276
Jfashion is changing and becoming more like fast fashion but it’s still extremely far from being normie. Detach from your internet bubble and see how normal people actually dress
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>>10410381
Can someone recall if black lolitas have been harassed on lj secrets? I feel like those cases have taken place, but can’t remember exactly.
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>>10410393
Same enamel pins look so out of place
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>>10410416
I was never really active on lj secrets, but I do remember there being a lolita confessions blog on tumblr where people would love to make confessions that lolita looks bad on anybody who isn't pale.
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>>10410416
Is LJ still a thing in Lolita (asking as a none Lolita).
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>>10410409
japanese normie, smartass.
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>>10410393
>Noticing and not buying from people who wear pins

This sounds like the most pedantic thing ever, I'd be glad to not sell to you. You sound like the kind of person to nitpick the tiniest damage on a dress with the seller.
Most pin holes disappear with washing FYI.
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I'll never understand lolitas who think ouji looks "too costumey" because it's objectively easier to wear out and about and looks more like plain artsy high fashion to normies than a big poofy printed skirt does.
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>>10410454
Nayrt but I don't like pins either and I don't get the "culture" around them. I want to like them because some seem cute, but in the end I just can't.

If left in long enough, pins can discolor fabric. And depending on the fabric, a lot of pin holes don't actually come out. There's always the possibility of snagging a thread too. Just makes me nervous.
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>>10410608
i actually like ouji but it does often read as quite costumey to me. it can give renfaire vibes since the silhouettes and fabrics tend to feel very historical, especially with how it tends to be photographed + the usage of accessories like big ol' canes (or swords!) and huge brooches/corsages.
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>>10410446
No, except from annual wardrobe posts.
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im sad gothic lolitas are a lot less popular than 10 yrs ago now that i can afford the style.. there’s beautiful sweet lolita coords but its often very tacky (not in a good way).. i think sweet colors are better for decora stuff and i hate over the top prints on dresses .. maybe i should just focus on classic lolita and stop finding inspiration in 2020 western lolita
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>>10410621
Why do you care what's popular or not? There are still a ton of gothic lolitas. Why are you going to give up the style you actually like and go for classic?

Also 2012 sweet style and old school lolita is what's currently popular, and those styles are inspired by the past styles. We all collectively yearn for that time in lolita and are feeling meh about the current releases.
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>>10410393

I always cringe at poking holes through my brand or delicate offbrand. But I love pins so I try to find creative ways of wearing them. Instead of poking a hole i will close it around a jsk strap. I also prefer the safety pin style rather than the single stick pin backing because even though the safety pin gives you two holes they are much smaller than the one giant thick one, so they close right up.
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>>10410621
buy what you like, things are continuously changing and goth will have its resurgence
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>>10410631
Oh i like classic a lot too, i just wish there were more gothic lolitas right now
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>>10410621
Gothic is the most popular style currently? Certainly more popular than gothic was in 2010
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>>10410621
>>10410683
>ttw you're a sweet lolita and all your friends are gothic lolitas
Always.
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Is 24 too old to be in EGL
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>>10410635
Maybe you could modify your pins by either gluing a flat clip to the back of the pin or you could have a rare earth magnet on the back of the pin and a magnet on the inside of your outfit? I feel like the clip might be more secure but would only be limited to straps.
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>>10410454
Lol good, I don’t want to buy your snagged shit anyway
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>>10410772
No, 20's still look relatively the same and you now have money.

Regardless, who gives a fuck as long as you're still happy. You don't have a 24th, 25th, 26th, etc birthday and all of a sudden lose all interest in it. I mellowed out from the OTT sweet I adored as a teen but I still go all out for tea parties. Sunscreen, balanced diet, and a youthful attitude go far
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>>10410174
>capitalism is when you buy things
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>>10410174
>rich people are hypocrites
when you think about it
the old days of dukes and knights were just capitalist
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>>10402379
Powerstancing to assert lolita dominance.
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>>10411157
Yes?
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>>10402401
i was with you until i saw roommates
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>>10410608
ouji never EVER looks high fashion
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>>10411495
Look up what capitalism is
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>>10411518
Capitalism is a free market, you think under communism the government is going to allocate production of Lolita dresses for the population?
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>>10411495
i...what?
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>>10411553
Being against capitalism is not the same as being a communist, there are other alternatives to capitalism. Also, you are wrong about what capitalism really is, but I don’t blame you, this is what they teach us so we think our only options are being ok with extreme inequality and billionaires that don’t contribute in anything or surviving with nothing but the bare minimum.
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>>10410949
I hope you snag your dream dress kek
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>>10410610
I never leave my pins long enough for them to discolor fabric, and I've never had a problem with pin holes and snags.
Just don't pin them on chiffon and usually it's fine.
Nobody sane goes around noticing tiny pinholes on your dress anyways.
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I think the BLM bodice I Do Declare made is so ugly.
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>>10411707
Yeah yeah democratic socialism, true communism had never been tried, we've all heard it before
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>>10411727
I was about to post this.
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>>10411770
It's a shame, I would have joined the raffle but I wouldn't want that shit over my chest...she should have made it a removable ribbon or something
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>>10411709
> look I used a poc meme I'm so woke guyz black dick matters
You won't get lolita dresses under a communist regime and you won't be able to afford them under a socialist one
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>>10411707
The only alternatives to having a free market are feeding right into the hand you claim to hate. When the government taxes people it gives the money right to their elite crony friends. Ex. The American stimulus. Billionaires have received so much more money than the common people and then the commoners want more peanuts through socialist programs without realizing that it is in fact peanuts.
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>>10411847
>you won’t be able to afford them under a socialist one
Do Americans really believe this?? Fascinating
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>>10411770
I can't be the only one that finds this incredibly performative
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>>10411847
>anon uses a tyler the creator meme
>anon calls them out as woke

nibba what
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>>10411876
Dat’s one cute gatto tho
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>>10411873
You're not. I know it's for a good cause but I didn't enter because wtf am I gonna do if I win it? I would feel weird wearing it because I'm not black and I probably couldn't just give it to a black friend because that would be weird too.
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>>10411873
Dude, people are going to be performing as long as faux pas may cost them reputation.
And also remember that printed belt that she makes donations to abortion funds from, it’s not the first time she’s doing woke stuff.
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>>10411856
Socialism has failed in every country it's tried. Nordic model countries are not socialist, they're capitalist with some social programs.
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>>10411885
There is something that rubs me the wrong way about a white woman making a bodice that says BLM on it. She has always been performative woke and it comes off so disingenuous.
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>>10411880
Btw someone has mentioned that this piece would work better with removable ribbon. This bodice seems one of a kind piece, so it might get recognized. What are the odds to become a fucking racist for taking the ribbon off? Although people will likely forget about that.
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>>10411553
>Capitalism is a free market
Wrong
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>>10411901
Then what the fuck is capitalism? What the fuck is socialism or communism? Saying "wrong" doesn't make you right. You can actually argue your point instead of using simple language
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>>10411856
Do you know why russian lolitas have more prevalent sewing and hand made groups? You can't afford shit. My aunt HAD to sew hers and my mom's prom dresses because she wouldn't get any. Look at fashion in communist countries in comparison to American fashion. Everything is shit quality, there are no prominent styles for subcultures, at least not as big as in the west. You won't get money if everyone gets the same amount no matter how hard they work. It kills motivation and in the process the market. Communism and socialism never worked on the large scale, look up NEP, look up documentaries that focus on other countries of the Warsaw pact other than USSR itself.
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>>10411856
Confirmed Chinese lolita who doesn't realize that the fashion is only thriving there BECAUSE of capitalism and its effects on individual wealth that leads to disposable income to spend on said dresses
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>>10411905
I gave a really simplistic definition, but the right answer to them is probably "capitalism is whitey exploiting noble POCs for profit"
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>>10411910
I wish handmade was more of a thing in the West. Even if most are ita, I find handmade itas much more interesting than Taobao meme dress itas.
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>>10412013
You sound like you have not been around long. Trust me we don't want the handmade itas of 2008.
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>>10411553
that's still not what capitalism is.
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>>10412050
Why don't you educate us?
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>>10412050
Clearly you don't want to have a reasonable discussion.
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>>10412133
>>10412146
why don't you guys look it up. the main aspect of capitalism is the profit. free market and the buying/sale of goods aren't capitalist by nature. it's called capitalism because it's designed to allow businesses to capitalize on $$.
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>>10412173
I looked it up
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>>10412173
you are full-on retarded
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>>10409673
Goth here, but same. All the red MAria tights are printed on white fabric and it stretches around my legs and washes out so completely it's like nothing was ever there.
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I hate the term replica, it's just a way for people to feel better about their shitty knockoffs.

Same for when people use the term "heavily inspired".
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>>10412370
there are different legal definitions of replica, knockoff, and heavily inspired, which i suggest you do research on
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I wish people would start using flickr again instead of instagram.
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>>10412419
Same
I hate insta with a passion
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>>10412240
That’s super disappointing, I was just about to order from there. Not plus sized but love to wash my clothes.
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>>10412173
You fucking retard, it's literally free market. Instead of a market that is controlled by government that artificially increases or decreases supply, you have companies themselves creating the market by adjusting to the competition. It's obvious you don't know any historical or cultural background of capitalism.
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>>10412419
I hate instagram too. I'm glad some people are opting to have their own websites.
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>>10410453
I still don't understand. Isn't most japanese fast fashion that people wear casually look like this? (I've never been to japan, so I can't say objectively, though I doubt most normie in japan are wearing full coordinates)
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>>10412240
>>10412423
I own red Maria tights. Not plus size either but use a gentle or lingerie detergent, net bag and a gentle cycle and the print is fine. I’ve washed my tights several times and the print is still vibrant
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>>10412561
it says university fashion
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I don't wear headpieces with my lolita coords. I don't mind if someone would call me ita, i would rather die than wear these ugly as shit headwear. Whatever you think of, bonnets, soft bonnets, half bonnets, bows, mini hats, rectangular headdresses, everything instantly turns any coord, even the best ones, into a crazy lady's special wear
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>>10410174
Anticapitalism isnt buying the cheapest, its about supporting small brands, like every burando is.
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>>10411910
You know that russia havent been communist for like 30 years?
Most of the russian lolitas buy their dresses, dont sew them. And everyone's salary is different lol
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>>10412909
every burando besides ap*
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>>10412909
want to know how I can tell you're a newfag?
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>>10412909
Anything non capitalist would destroy small businesses. Only business approved by the government would be allowed and they'd all be propped up by taxes. True capitalism is great for small business because they don't have to compete with businesses artificially inflated by the government.
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>>10413155
No, it isn’t, capitalism leads to big companies crushing small companies and we have already seen it over and over again.
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>>10413288
Please read a book on basic economics.
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>>10413155
but ... that already happens. stores like walmart have crushed all the small competition without govt involvement
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>>10412864
why dont you just wear normie dresses then retard
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>>10412864
you ever seen a barrette before, larper?
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>>10413384
Walmart is funded by the government. Not to sound conspiratorial but they get bailouts and subsidies. It's also easy to not shop there if you don't like their business model. The government puts a ridiculous amount of pressure on small businesses with regulations even in the USA. Walmart is able to escape these restrictions because it runs overseas. Government needs to be more regulatory towards overseas issues, yes, but we don't need to have a socialist model to do that. Only absolutely necessary regulations that prevent destruction of competition and encourage a free market are needed.
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>>10402023

Just to clarify. It's not that it's impossible to shop lolita on aliexpress. It's just inefficient.

Your other options are:
(a) use taobao. Although equal effort, it's cheaper.
(Bonus: being able to follow the original makers, so if you find the right brand shop they'll never make replicas and you never need to check)
Or,
(b) use taobao resellers. More expensive but cuts out almost all of the hard work.

Aliexpress is both more expensive and more work, not to mention less selection. It's not some secret treasure trove of undiscovered special snowflake lolita. Countless cheapskates before you already did the math and judged it useless. You might take a hint that the cheapskates already think using resellers is a waste of money but even they won't touch aliexpress because it's so inefficient.
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Milky swan > Chick-chan
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>>10412864
I agree that some coords are better off without a headpiece, but you're going a bit far.
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>>10413541
what about shopping for shoes on aliexpress? I try to avoid replicas, so it makes tao shopping a bit more tricky.
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>>10413812
taobao and aliexpress are literally the same.
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Rectangular headdresses are the worst lolita headwear. They look stupid from the front they are flat and dont balance out the flyffy skirt and ornamented bodice
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I genuinely like the look of Nymphet fashion when done right. The problem is that most people who post it are cringelords.
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>>10416997
it's cute when it's not teens trying to seduce their teachers because they misunderstood the book. it could just be a youthful vintage fashion.
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>>10417001
Agree. I'd like to start dressing more in the style but I don't want people to start assuming I'm the "wrong" type of lolita (I wear Lolita and Otome)
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>>10416997
I like the look too but I'm rather petite and I don't think i'd be able to dress that way without looking like a literal child. I'm trying to go a little more mature and finding a balance between cottage-core/nymphet and office lady, which sounds more than a little strange now that I'm typing it out lol
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>>10411873
Nope,me too. The BLM movement brought the wokies to the surface full force. They can't support normally they have to get clout and brownie points

>>10415816
Fight me bitch

>>10417027
this
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>>10411770
This would have been cooler if it were more subtle. Like a powerful phrase in Latin about standing together and she donates a % of the proceeds to BLM. This looks like the ribbon was just tacked on for additional clout
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>>10417150
The "Noli me tangere" belts were pretty dope IMO, because even though proceeds went to women's funds she didn't put anything explicitly about pussy power or whatever. I liked those belts.
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>>10413787
Chick-chan grew up and became milky swan.
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>>10417477
>>10413787
They're both cute, but Chick-Chan is vastly superior.
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>>10417150
if I won, I planned on taking the ribbon off.
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>>10417150
That Latin bit is a good idea
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It's ok for newbies to buy bodyline if they can do a little research.
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>>10417480
>>10417477
chick-chan needs to be protected
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>>10422986
Bodyline is nearly obsolete nowadays so no one holds the newbie opinion anymore
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I’m not really a fan of old school dresses, particularly black x white dresses and floral dresses, but I do like fully black/white old school lolita dresses and tartan dresses
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>>10423017
How is bodyline obsolete?
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>>10423029
nayrt but I think anon is suggesting that beginners can get lolita pieces through Taobao instead
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most black colorways looks disgusting and clash with the main print
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>>10423031
I think ordering from Taobao is more complicated that doing it from Bodyline. Bodyline is better documented so it's easier to see if you're buying a decent dress.
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>>10423051
I couldn't agree more
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>>10423053
not really, if they just buy from a reseller site. and there's more size variety in taobao because bodyline rarely if ever restocks.
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I think Royal Gate is prettier than Iron Gate.



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