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What's your the most surprising discovery about lolita fashion or community overall?
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>>10399699
That I'm willing to spend hundreds of dollars on a stuffed bunny bag when it has no other utility than "looking cute."
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>>10399699
I think what’s probably surprised me most is the number of vocal anti-capitalist people in the community, when lolita is peak-capitalism.
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>>10399768
>thinking capitalism is when you buy things
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>>10399773
Not that anon but I assume she meant that there are a lot of self-proclaimed communists in the community. Whereas lolita would be viewed as the pinnacle of unnecessary decadence by most actual communists.
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>>10399750
same
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They're all vegan
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>>10399773
What they mean is that lolita is fairly a maximalist fashion considering how many accessorises and clothing items you need for a complete look versus normie fashion. Also, a lot of people in the fashion worship brands and consume every little tacky novelty item brands release.

The most shocking thing to me is seeing how many morbidly obese women who are a part of the lolita community. It doesn't make me upset like other anons, i just find it curious they would be attracted to a fashion that doesn't cater to their bodies, especially when there's a multitude of western brands that make louder clothes for plus-size women that would suit them better.

After my hiatus, I was also shocked to see how accepting people were of supposedly trans women and littles compared to the livejournal era.I had no idea what a sissy was until i got into lolita.
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>>10399779
>>10399784
Yeah this was essentially my train of thought. It just comes off as hypocritical virtue signalling to see people supporting a very decadent luxury-oriented fashion all while peddling the idea that consumerism is bad.
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>>10399784
>there's a multitude of western brands that make louder clothes for plus-size women that would suit them better.
Have you seen what western plus size clothing looks like?
It's garbage and as a fat girl, I don't want to wear loud colors. What I like about lolita are the details, the soft colors, and the cute things that aren't available to me as a woman in the US who is expected to look like some sexy pin up model cause I'm wide. I hate that look.

Take pic related for example. Shit is hideous! The only people who want to wear this are fucking normies.
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>>10399784
I don't have anything against fat folks but even on thinner girls certain waist cuts can make you look bigger. Plus adding on a petticoat you're a walking balloon at this point. I have a hard time sympathizing with them when they point out that they feel even bigger wearing the fashion.
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>>10399784
God you sound exhausting
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>>10399768
Anti capitalist and communist are not the same thing, despite what 1950s America would lead you to believe
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>>10399824
I mean, if someone is worried about looking bigger regardless of how big they are, I don't think this is the fashion for them.

I guess what I'm surprised to find is that there are a HUGE amount of women into this fashion who don't even seem to really enjoy it?
The amount of girls at meets who I've heard say things like "god I can't wait to go home and take all this off" or "I hate wearing these types of shoes, they hurt my feet so much".
And then the ones who like, make no sense at all "I can't imagine wearing this into my 30s lololol" or the girls who do it just for the efame and sell every dress they get so they can trade in for the new trend and then when they don't get enough followers, they just sell everything else they have and go back to wearing boring normie fashions.

It kind of sucks to find so many people who don't love the fashion as much as I do.
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>>10399831
cold war propaganda is a bitch. at least 2/3rds of americans probably couldn't even define communism or socialism if asked
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>>10399779
You must not know many historical communist figures then, especially Marxist feminists such as Alexandra Kollontai. One of the most important feminist and communist figures of the past century, yet she dressed in a fashionable way and not like most working women.

>>10399784
I can see why you'd think this, but capitalism is defined by the mode of production, not how much someone consoomes. Just look at China, the PRC is building socialism yet AP is booming there. It's much more complex and nuanced than "you can't be a commie because you like to buy things".
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>>10399768
>>10399779
Communism is when you shirk every semblance of aestheticism in favor of wearing a potato sack and living in a brutalist concrete cube apartment.
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>>10399850
and yet China has a huge lolita following.
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>>10399850
>wearing a potato sack
so, AP?
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ITT: People who've never experienced communism are clueless about communism.
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>>10399844
30% getting a correct definition is profoundly optimistic, but I like your enthusiasm

>>10399850
Found an american
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>>10399768
I’m not anti-capitalism, I’m anti-American capitalism.
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>>10399832
God all of this. The only time I am really dying to get home and changed is after a con or a huge amount of walking, and that would be true of just about any clothes and shoes. I also think the "I can't imagine wearing this outside of meets" or "I have no where to wear lolita outside of my house/to my lone friend's place guess I won't wear lolita until the pandemic ends" set are damn near there too. I get wanting to socialize but after a certain point is it about the clothes or being seen in them?
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>>10399879
We call that socialism and its what most modern countries that aren't shitholes do
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>>10399881
I too, was very sad to see the insane of amount of girls online saying they just couldn't feel the urge to wear lolita during quarantine. They'd rather sit around in sweat pants and not even cute ones. Like some of them seem to have just given up because of quarantine.
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>>10399850
communism is more about equality no matter the cost. It would be a more likely situation that your dresses get sized by gov because your not allowed to have personal property. It would make sense equality wise too, if you don't have nice dresses for everyone you can't have your own. Some fashion trends might live but with how impractical lolita is it would be a bad idea to wear it even if it didn't get taken away.
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>>10399903
So explain the large amount of lolitas in China.
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>>10399886
Listen if I’m not doing anything I’m not getting out of my comfy pajamas. What’s the use in getting dressed if you’re just going to sit around all day? I usually wear lolita at least twice a week but now I’m really only getting dressed twice a week. I’ll wear lolita or other jfash when I get dressed but I’ll take fuzzy pajamas over clothes any day
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>>10399905
China calls themselves communist for the ~~aesthetic~~, but they're really the purest capitalist society in the world. I mean, there are schools run by cigarette companies there.
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>>10399886
I usually wear lolita 2-3 times a week and wear jfash the other days but I feel so fucking costumey putting on a full coord, doing hair and makeup just for some Instagram photo.. I'd much rather stay in comfy kawaii PJs or t-shirt.
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>>10399910
>What’s the use in getting dressed if you’re just going to sit around all day?
I mean yea, this was kind of the attitude that I was surprised to see.
I don't get dressed up all the time either but I love trying on different coords. Like, if you don't like wearing the fashion and it bothers you, why are you into it?

>>10399939
>feel so fucking costumey putting on a full coord
I never feel this way so that's weird to me. It's weird to me that you feel that and still wear it 2-3 times a week.
Like you enjoy making yourself feel uncomfortable wearing this stuff and for why??
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>>10399845
What confuses me is that so many socialists and communists blame capitalism for wreaking havoc on the environment via fast fashion and disposable items. So that's where I get confused how consumerism isn't anti communist.
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>>10399845
That's right. Lolita dresses would still be a thing, they'd just be made by the government instead of big business.
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>>10399942
I adore lolita and it’s not that I’m uncomfortable wearing it. I don’t normally get dressed on weekends either unless I have places to go. I love wearing lolita but it’s just a waste of time and energy to get all dolled up and do nothing when I could just be a lazy fuck and lay in my blanket pile playing animal crossing
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>>10399942
>>10399886
i haven't been too motivated to dress up while at home either but even before pandemic i heard so many lolitas say they only wear their dresses to meets. its sad! why buy beautiful expensive clothing if you're too afraid to wear them?
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>>10399948
You could be cute while playing animal crossing but you insist that it's a waste of time instead.
Like if you see it as a waste of time, why are you into it.
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>>10399949
Yeah same, anon. It's something that's always been surprising for me.
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>>10399949
Agreed. Daily Lolita is life
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>>10399826
>he pointed out one or more of my creepy fetishes, so I'll roll a die and consult my table of generic shaming tactics

>>10399844
2/3rds couldn't define capitalism either.
But they can tell you that what happens when communists get power is millions of people get murdered for not being communists.

>>10399822
Eat less. Fat will never be cute no matter how many frills you staple onto the mayo sack
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>>10399957
I don't even eat mayo, you fucking imbecile.
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>>10399950
Because I think it’s cute? Liking lolita and wanting to wear my warm and comfy pajamas are not mutually exclusive. I like pizza but just because I don’t eat pizza for every meal doesn’t mean I like it any less. Just means sometimes I prefer to eat other things
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>>10399955
I think it's a waste to only wear lolita to meets and cons, but people who act like you have to wear lolita every day or else you're a poser are just as ridiculous.
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I'm surprised that tall lolitas and overweight lolitas seem exclusively attracted to sweet. Classic brands often make longer dresses - perfect for tall lolitas! Goth brands' dark colors flatter and hide fat - perfect for overweight lolitas! But nope, they all wanna wear pastel AP which doesn't fit with their figures...
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>>10399965
>Liking lolita and wanting to wear my warm and comfy pajamas are not mutually exclusive
Right, but that wasn't up for debate. I don't wear it all the time either but not because I think it's a waste of time to dressed up.
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>>10399947
Unless your government sees no purpose in making them and even then it might just be a thing with government officials. Authoritarian governments always put themselves above the people. Just seems like the most risky political alignment to have if you like a niche foreign fashion of wearing impractical expensive dresses with several accessories.
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>>10399972
I think it’s a waste of time to get dressed in any clothes right now. It’s not just a lolita thing.
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>>10399886
I don't wear lolita unless I know I'm about to make some good memories.
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>>10399979
>I think it’s a waste of time to get dressed in any clothes right now
god, I just can't imagine being like this. I always feel so good when I get dressed up, even if it's not lolita.

>>10399988
what's up with your home life that you can't make good memories at home?
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>>10399991
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>>10399969
I disagree partially. Overweight lolitas are better off wearing sweet since finding goth pieces that would fit them tends to be hard. A lot of cuts in sweet lolita are quite flattering on larger people too.
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>>10399994
Lol cuckdubs
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>>10399699
I thought that the hobbies or interests that lolita's have would be sewing /fashion design, cooking, drawing, Japanese and literature. The only hobby I see often is drawing. I thought Japanese and sewing with skill would be more common.
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>>10400035
That assumes sewing with skill is common in the first place. Very few lolitas actually know how to sew. Most people sew a pillowcase and then decide they’re good to draft their own jsks from scratch.
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>>10400035
i just saw on insta story that the trendy new oldschooler does cross stitch. i am doing cross stitch too. her project looks a lot more advanced than mine, though. i like cross stitch because it doesn't require my full attention - it's a paint-by-numbers kind of thing - I can do it while watching YouTube. I cross stitched my cgl sata giftee's greeting card, but sadly she never posted her gift. I also posted in the handmade thread recently asking if anyone has examples of embroidery and other crafts, but so far no one is biting.
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>>10399949
The pandemic has kinda put me into a new perspective about lolita, with not being able to go out as much. People have started wearing their prom dresses to take out the trash or wedding dresses to take a walk around the block. When the world starts getting back to normal I want to wear lolita as much as possible to make up for lost time. Every day's the perfect day for lolita.
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>>10399991
Home is my normalcy. I wear it when I go to an event. Or to the city. It's nice to have things to do that take you outside of your comfort zone. If I'm making memories at home I'm probably wearing PJs or an apron to cook with.
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>>10399861
Kek
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>>10400035
I already have too many weird and time consuming hobbies to add extras to match my clothes
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>>10400035
In my comm sewing is very common. They're all pretty good too and every meet there's at least one full hand made lolita. I always feel shitty not being as skilled at sewing as they are.
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>>10400064
>Home is my normalcy
Yeah, you treat lolita as something out of the ordinary for you.
Lolita is normalcy for me.
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>>10399950
You can like something while believing it has a time and a place to be enjoyed, anon.
And a lot of people are processing the pandemic like the traumatic event that it is, so I'll excuse people for not wanting to expend energy on makeup and clothes every single day.
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>>10400085
jesus christ why are you so on about this? let people enjoy lolita when they want to. i get dressed up to play animal crossing too but them not wearing lolita in their own home does not affect you at all. i understand the sentiment, you're way overly salty about this though.
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>>10400085
Good for you. You're not special.
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>>10400096
>You can like something while believing it has a time and a place to be enjoyed, anon.
Yes, I know. I'm not arguing that.
I took issue with the words the other anon used which was that they found it to be, in their words, "a waste of time."

Why is it so hard to make a connection of someone disliking something when they refer to it as a waste of time?

Like if you don't want to give off that vibe, then don't say it's a waste of time. That's why it's confusing.

Like no shit, you shouldn't wear lolita to job interviews or to go rock climbing in.
But lounging around the house in your favorite coord should be ok.

>the pandemic is traumatic
oh fucking god. There is so much of THAT on my FB feed these days.
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>>10400101
We're just discussing a topic that is relevant to the thread.
This was the most surprising discovery for me. I'm not salty. I'm more just trying to make sense of those kinds of lolitas.
You don't have to read everything with a tone of hate.
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The amount of hatred for fat people is surprising. Not condemning, just surprised that anything over 120-150lbs is condemned. When did this start? I’m genuinely curious.
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>>10400112
I only got into lolita like in 2015 but I've seen stuff like that as far back as on LJ.
I've been fat since I was like 8 so I have never understood why people hated me because of it. I just know their hate hasn't helped me lose weight at all.
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>>10400107
I think the idea of fashion sort of revolves around being seen though. If you are going to go out, you can't go out naked. So when you go out, you wear things that you think look nice and enjoy. When you're inside, with no reason to protect your decency, or to protect yourself from the elements, there's no incentive to dress yourself up other than to "look cute". And if you can't feel cute in your undies, and need to layer on clothes to have a baseline level of self worth, that seems weirder to me.
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>>10400112
I can see why lolitas in Asia feel that way since being fat isn't common or the norm so it looks wrong to them. But in America nearly half the fucking population is fat so idk how they can still be bothered when they see fat people all the time every day.
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>>10400131
some of us live in areas with less fat people.
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>>10400107
>>10400105
you sound autistic.
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>>10400148
So... Colorado?
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>>10400153
30% isn't that high either.
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>>10400153
Obesity is different from overweight. Obese is, like, really fucking fat.
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>>10400112
They over-consume and never wear a mask
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>>10400156
It would mean that for every 10 people you see, 3 would be fat. That's enough that you shouldn't be shocked that fat people exist and have hobbies.

>>10400163
Any BMI over 30 is considered obese medically speaking.
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>>10400052
>>10400084
This makes me hopeful that I can find someone interested in sewing.
>>10400068
Makes sense, I just thought of it more as a if your interested in sewing and Japanese you would come across lolita and be interested in it if you find the style appealing
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That sissies and ageplayers existed. I wish I still had my ignorance.
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>>10399699
the self-centered paranoia surprised me. lolitas being afraid of each other, imagining nonexistent gossip or bad intentions, while also feeling contemptuous of everyone else. being convinced they know the true intentions of others. reading bizarre subtext into regular social interactions. and then going anon to make delusional, cringeworthy accusations.

the narcissism is exhausting.
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>>10400035
Same and it’s so disappointing. I don’t believe that people need to be into ‘lolita lifestyle’ hobbies to wear the fashion but I’d expect some people to naturally be into these things. Instead my comm always assumes people are faking their interests, like it’s impossible that someone genuinely prefers historical literature over anime and reality tv and they’re only pretending in order to uphold an image.
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>>10399949
>>10400062
>>10400130


Oddly enough that's actually why I couldn't be arsed to dress up before the pandemic -- I have to pick a dress that suits the occasion, the weather, and my pimples. Since I'll be seen by other people, in public, I have to make sure at least I don't look completely loony.

Now that I'm home alone it's the perfect opportunity to pull out all the dresses where I used to worry it's too short, too fancy, will get endless questions from strangers on the way to the tea party, sashes are reserved for OTT events, it doesn't match my Usakumya, etc. And then just wear it around the house.

For insta, crop or put a sticker over whatever doesn't match and upload together with some random cutesy nonsense. They don't need to know my pink Cosmic jsk barely covers my butt or that I paired it with neon green fuzzy slippers.
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>>10399822
I personally like the 2nd one lol

Anon, no offense but I don't think you're looking hard enough for fashionable plus-sized clothing, take pic related for example
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>>10400218
Those look terrible. I'd never wear that shit.
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>>10400130
>need to layer on clothes to have a baseline level of self worth, that seems weirder to me
Where the fuck is this coming from?
I don't think I said anything like that.

Anyway, I wear all kinds of clothes indoors. Lolita is just clothes. You can wear them whenever.
And being forced to stay inside caused a lot of people to just post on social media more, hence all the indoor coords that are going around these days. But I would say that counts as being seen. They're being viewed by a good amount of the community. Not to mention all the online meets.
There are plenty of reasons to get dressed up at home. I don't have to come up with excuses to get dressed. I'm just different in that way.
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>>10400127
This. Also it's really funny how hard you guys argue about fat people. You hate us yet you can't get us out of your head? How sad.
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>>10400204
>put a sticker over whatever doesn't match
what? Do you cover up like accessories and shit in your photos? what is the point??
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>>10400268
yeah they're obsessed.
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>>10399784
Honestly same to all of it. I've been into lolita for a long time, but these quick changes in culture still have me surprised. But at the other hand, that's probably what happens when fashions get bigger and bigger, among other factors.
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>>10400269

Actually I usually forego makeup bc pimples so I cover up my face. Just threw in the sentence to mean you can cover up whatever doesnt match your vibe or the general setting you're going for. Not necessarily an accessory.
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>>10399969
The current amount of moitie fatties beg to differ.
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>>10400085
This. I wish these kind of people would just come to terms with having a conlita/costume mindset.
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>>10399832
I love the way lolita looks but have chronic pain problems that make most clothing painful. Add in the layers of lolita and wig, headband, etc and it can be agonizing after a few hours. I don’t want to give it up and I don’t want to compromise on how I want to look but damn it feels amazing to rip it all off once I get home
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>>10400351
The difference is that you still view them as clothes that happen to be uncomfortable because of personal limitations. I’ve know lolitas with no such issue since who just generally find lolita inconvenient and annoying and complain constantly. I just don’t understand that mentality.
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>>10399949
I’m not afraid to wear my dresses. In the first few weeks, I was wearing Lolita during work, which I couldn’t normally do in the conservative environment of my office. I ended up stopping because it’s hard to sit at a work desk all day in lolita. Normally when I’m in lolita, it’s on the weekends or after work and I’m walking a lot more, not just sitting. It’s a pain the ass to sit at my desk chair with a full skirt.
In the rare event I need to get groceries, sometimes I’ll put on a coord, but people tend to break the 6-foot social distance barrier to talk to me, and I just want to buy my fucking carrots or whatever in peace so I’ll do without.
Even though I do wear lolita out alone all the time, I find it’s more fun to wear it with other lolitas. I really miss that aspect, and the general sadness I feel about not seeing anyone saps my effort to get frilled up. A way I get around it is by experimenting with flatlays, and keeping a journal of them to wear when things go back to normal.
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>>10399832
>I guess what I'm surprised to find is that there are a HUGE amount of women into this fashion who don't even seem to really enjoy it?
Yes! I think people like this enjoy the fashion on other people, and maybe on themselves for 5 minutes, but treat it as a chore when they have to actually go to a meet. I don't really like meets, I just want to meet up with my friends and have fun in my frills, but some people can't wait to get home and specifically not wear lolita.
If it's that much of an issue, don't wear it, or wear something simpler.
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>>10399969
>t sweet lolita who you wouldn't be able to tell is tall by looking at my pics
adapt, improvise, overcome
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>>10400378
that's great i wasn't referring to you. girls in my comm have said they're too self conscious to get dressed up if there isn't a meetup. i don't like wearing lolita to work for the same reasons. its something i 'm working on myself but i just feel like waiting for the one meet per month to wear your nice clothes is a waste. weather is usually my excuse. sucks that right now its the perfect temp but we're stuck inside.
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>>10399784
What comm are you apart of???? I’ve seen about 99.99% of the online community be super anti kink anything. Fetishists for the most part seem to be looked down on a lot by the community.
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>>10400351
OP of the reply chain here.
I agree with >>10400359 and I think something like chronic pain is a valid reason to not want to stay in the clothing.
I'm definitely not talking shit about people who have chronic pain. The girls I've heard say this stuff at meet ups don't have those kinds of conditions and they're just complaining about wearing the fashion they supposedly love.
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>>10400383
>I just want to meet up with my friends and have fun in my frills, but some people can't wait to get home and specifically not wear lolita.
I have friends like this too. I have gotten dressed up to hang out only to find them all dressed completely normie when I showed up. Then they made comments about me being so dressed up the entire time and wouldn't stop talking about how amazing I looked.

This is why I said what I said about girls who "like" wearing the fashion. They treat it like it's some amazing feat to get dressed up when it's literally just putting on clothes.
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>>10400047
sewing is a dying skill in general, I genuinely know more men that know how to sew than women, even just to fix shirt buttons and shit
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>>10399969
>all
fat gothic lolita here to call you out on your generalizing, sis.
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>>10400218
>using these as an example of what looks good
why are you here?
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>>10399699
I was really surprised about the general lack of fashion knowledge. Lolita was one of my gateways into a fashion subculture and it really made me interested in how the industry works, fashion trends, etc. but I quickly came to realize that a shocking amount of the community have basically no knowledge of how fashion works besides cookie cutter rules. I thought that an alt fashion group of all people would be very quick to adapt to new trends, styles, etc. though evidently I was (and still am) incorrect. I still see some lolitas insist that you have to wear matching shoes and bag colors, which is again a surprise!
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>>10400713
So true. most lolitas I've met got into it through weeb shit and don't really have much experience with fashion outside of this context
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>>10399784
>I was also shocked to see how accepting people were of supposedly trans women and littles compared to the livejournal era.
That's what really made sure I'll never join a com. I don't mind fatties all that much, there's obviously fat people among my relatives and they're not freaks, so I don't mind joining them for holidays and such.
What I'll never do is voluntarily waste any time or money to be in the company of someone who enjoys wearing diapers in public or someone who pontificates about how lesbians who don't take the girldique are fascists. That's a hard line.
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>>10400705
Right? They think that shit's "fashionable"
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>>10399979
I wear fancy tops and cloth terry shorts for zoom meetings. No one sees the bottom. I've heard of dudes wearing dress shirts and ties, with just boxer shorts on the bottom too. Take this time to curate your closet, gulls.
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>>10400723
This is such a normie thing to be saying. I lost count how many fucking boomers said shit like this.
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>>10400721
>lesbians who don't take the girldique are fascist
Lesbian here, is this really a thing? I'm glad I haven't come across that shit.
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>>10400725
no it's not, weirdos think that people saying you should at least not openly hate trans people means you need to fuck them
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>>10400724
Its something you say when you actually have a job and have to show up on video. Or even school, because most schools now want to have video just to make it less awkward for the teachers.
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>>10400729
>. Or even school, because most schools now want to have video just to make it less awkward for the teachers.
how is that appropriate???
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>>10400728
OHHH, it's that again.
Why does everything have to be so fucking extreme? like oh, you don't want to fuck a transwoman? Well you must hate them then.
Don't like butch dykes?? Must not be a real lesbian, must be a bi slut!
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>>10400734
it's more of people thinking that when someone says "you shouldn't be openly transphobic to people's faces" they ACTUALLY mean "you need to fuck trans people or you're transphobic" which makes no sense and no one is saying that
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>>10400740
Nah, I've definitely seen people who act like a lesbian saying no to a transwoman is being transphobic.
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>>10400052
I also do cross stitch and embroidery. As you say, it's a nice thing to do when my mind is occupied. I've considered on how to do embroidery on, say, an apron for a coord
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Im surprised I blindly threw $289 at a JSK that wasn’t even the colorway I wanted.
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>>10399783
I wish.
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>>10400812
quarantine will do that to ya
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Most lolitas don't wash their dresses.
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>>10400822
In my comm this isn't a thing but is it really a thing elsewhere?
Do they not look online or what?
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>>10400822
I always see this online, but I've never actually known any lolitas irl that don't wash their dresses
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>>10399832
Correct me if I’m wrong but are you new? Or young? I love Lolita too, and when I first started wearing it, I wanted to wear it all the time. I never wanted to take it off at the end of the day. But 15 years later? It’s become more normal to me because I’ve worn it for so long, and I’m not ashamed to admit that yeah, some of it is uncomfortable. There’s extra layers making you hot, socks sliding down, sometimes itchy wig if you wear one, lace rubbing the wrong way. As great as I felt and looked while wearing it, it is a freeing feeling when you take it all off at the end of the day. Kudos for you for wanting to wear it all the time, that’s great. But I don’t enjoy the fashion any less than you do, otherwise I wouldn’t be doing it anymore.
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>>10400725
Try any dating app anon. It's beyond dreadful.
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>>10400740
transbians literally do say that lesbians not wanting to fuck them is transphobic.
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>>10400862
>Correct me if I’m wrong but are you new? Or young?
The fuck? No, I'm neither.
The fact that you feel the need to justify all the issues you have with wearing lolita is kind of you overcompensating for your love of lolita.

Like you're complaining about it so much and then turning around and acting like you just love it so.

It's not a competition. You don't need to prove yourself.

It just fit the topic of the thread as something I found odd.

Sorry but I find you odd with your "my socks are sliding down it's so annoying I can't wait to take this off I can admit it's uncomfy why can't you!!!" nonsense.
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>>10400897
Dude, way to get offended over nothing. You’re being ridiculous.
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>>10400702
Eat less you fat cunt. You look like a living blueberry with a fortnite skin.
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I wasn’t prepared to be in close contact with so many people that were so desperate for friendship to the point where they’ll stalk a bitch
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>>10400127
It's sort of biological. It's like when you get grossed out by people who sneeze or have sores. Being fat is a sign of poor health. So, for people who value not being fat, it's gross because the person looks ill to you.
>>10400131
Some people don't get desensitized to it. My dad is beginning obese and has always been, and I still get grossed out by fat people. If anything seeing it firsthand might be why I find it so gross.
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>>10400937
Sounds like you have serious psychological problems. And possibly daddy issues.
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>>10400943
Nayrt but that’s some serious projecting you’ve got going there.
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>>10400937
>So, for people who value not being fat, it's gross because the person looks ill to you.
That's on par with what I read about genocide. Basically, people view other people as lower than human. It's like a slippery slope going from thinking they're garbage to thinking they're equal to insects and should extinguished.

>>10400943
is right, you have issues.
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>>10400954
They weren't projecting. They just fucking spelled that out by talking about how they see fat people as being extremely ill and how they're grossed out by their dad because he's becoming fat which they think is their dad getting sick by choice or something.

Sounds like fucking daddy issues to me.
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>>10400957
>>10400956
>>10400954
>>10400943
Samefag
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>>10400956
Oh my god fat people need to stop with the Nazi and holocaust comparisons, it’s not helping you
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>>10400181
But do you also notice that the narcissism and paranoia begets real drama eventually? They start imagining others are shit talking, so they create drama about the people they imagine are being mean to them, make vagueposts about haters, and on and on
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>>10400956
Not really. I don't see fat people as not human. They're definitely people and I don't wish them any harm. But I get grossed out because there's more to getting fat than just eating more. There's a difference between the behaviors and psychology of people with healthy weights and people with unhealthy weights.

Just because you dislike a quality of someone doesn't mean you have deep seeded psychological issues with them. Stop projecting
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>>10400937
i get this. i don't know why you're getting so much hate. i feel grossed out by people with body mods or scars and stuff. but it's not something i am in control of.
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rude
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>>10401020
NTA but hate is hate, and thinking someone is lesser because of a physical trait is pretty wrong no matter what it is. Anons know it and that's why you only see fat hate on this board and not on fb with names attached.

>>10400981
I agree with them, for one. If OP had a good relationship with her fat parent, she would associate fat with good traits like kindness.
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>>10401064
Nah, the way you keep justifying your hatred of fat people is the issue. I'm not making anything up, you're the one typing this shit.
You sound like a fucking psycho.
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>>10401067
>but it's not something i am in control of.
You sound so fucking immature. You don't even capitalize the letter I when referring to yourself. You're either underage b& or you just turned 18 and you're posting here trying to be as edgy as you can be.
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>>10399903
anon you realize personal property means like land and businesses not your precious burando right?
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>>10400713
I'd be surprised if most lolitas would be able to put together a good looking outfit outside of jfashion since heavy rule following seems such a crutch for a lot of them wrt outfit construction
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>>10400981
This, what is it with the samefagging fats lately? Or is it just one person?
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>>10401067
It's just one angry fatty projecting and gaslighting.
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>>10401126
Personal items count as property you dumbass
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>>10401134
Only two of those posts are mine and I've met other fatty chans on here.
There's definitely more than one of us.
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>>10401096
>>10401082
That anon didn't say they hated fat people once jesus christ. They said they found parts of their lifestyle gross and that's fucking fine and normal, I think my dogs shit is gross but that doesn't mean I don't love my dog any less. Calm down.
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>>10401298
>normal
>normal to be grossed out by fat people
>comparing fat people to dog shit
yea ok
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>>10401208
"Only two" of the posts when all the pats t sound like they're trying to be different people and proving I'm right, lol.
"Fatties are gross" is literally the most normie opinion and doesn't show psychological issues at all. That's how I know you're samefagging, fatty.
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>>10401064
I have an ex friend who I once witnessed eat a foot long chili cheese dog, a bacon cheeseburger, a large order of mozzarella sticks, a large strawberry milkshake, two orders of tater tots, and a Diet Coke. All in one sitting after we had come back from an event where we had eaten at several points too, so it wasn’t like we were starving to death. After witnessing her demolish this I went home and and was nauseous and throwing up for the next day because I was so horrified by the sheer amount she had eaten. I’ve also witnessed her seriously order a ‘land air and sea’ burger from mcdonalds and eat that as well. It’s 3 sandwiches stacked into 1. She bitches about how fat she is 24/7 and it’s 100% her fault and her eating habits. I cut her off for other reasons but that lack of awareness was horrifying.
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>>10401313
>when all the pats t sound
You don't even know how to type, you fucking mongoloid.
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>>10401314
Sounds like an over reaction.
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>>10401313
I'm one of the other fatties that have been posting recently just to make you mad anon. It's so easy to get under your skin.
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>>10399784
Oh wow women with different body types are wearing clothes bc they like the clothes

Not everyone is a vain cunt who cares about how their body looks

Just let ppl enjoy nice clothes
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>>10401392
Right? This shit started at like >>10400112 and look how many anons felt the need to reply about how much they hate fatties and then backpedal saying they don't hate them it's just their personality like that somehow excuses it.
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>>10401314
>I went home and and was nauseous and throwing up for the next day because I was so horrified by the sheer amount she had eaten.
Lol neither of you have a healthy relationship with food.
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>>10401392
>>10401393
>>10401396
>>10401409
Samefag
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>>10401314
>Diet Coke
lol
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>>10400267
Ok you must a child because most adults have a house to take care of, dishes to clean, weeds to pick, meals to cook, toilets to scrub, litter boxes or pets to take care of, etc. I’m constantly busy all day even when it’s my day off. Plus I’d get cat hair on my dresses if I lounged on the couch in them. I’m not going to risk damaging my $300 dress just to feel pretty. I also don’t wear high heels around the house but that doesn’t mean I secretly hate high heels. Lolita clothes just aren’t practical and around the house I need stuff to be able to move around and get dirty in. And now that I’m running fewer errands and working fewer days I haven’t really been wearing lolita fashion, despite the fact that pre-pandemic I was a near-daily wearer. It’s just not house clothes and that fact that you don’t get that tells me you probably are very young with parents who do it all for you or you live in a dorm or something.
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>>10401444
50 burandobuxx say this is the same one who's been shitting up the confession thread with deranged samefagging
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>>10401444
Whatever helps you sleep at night, Mia-chan.
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>>10401449
Not this shit again, some people have full time jobs but don't choose to be slobs as soon as it ends. No one cares, go make a blog.
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>>10401449
NTAYRT but I have a lot of cotton dresses that can be thrown in the wash just like any other fast fashion article of clothing. So as a 30-something year old adult, I choose to wear the ones that can be easily laundered if I’m in the mood to look cute while I attempt a Pinterest recipe for scones or if I have to go to the market. You might not have the wardrobe to allow for errands and things around the house, but you really can’t assume people have the same kind of shit you do in their closets.

TL;DR Young people will learn their shit in their own time. You need a lint brush.
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>>10401470
The "I love stretching out my brand" samefag? I agree, it's the same posting pattern.
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>>10401470
I wasn't even in that thread so it was someone else samefagging and I have posted several times in here but so has someone else.
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>>10401393
Where did I say they shouldn't wear it? Get some fucking reading comprehension before you get all triggered.
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>>10399779
These retards only scream about how they’re communist or marxist bc they only care about the “free healthcare” part of it.
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>>10401488
Yup, this one.
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>>10401488
>>10401520
There's more than one though. I know because I'm not that anon but I'm definitely fat by cgl standards and I'm also vocal in thread about not caring for the weird fat hate that runs rampant on this site.

>inb4 someone says if you don't like it leave
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>>10401449
i mean, i agree that a lot of lolita it isn't really house clothes (i definitely don't wear heels in my house), but that doesn't mean tayrt doesn't have a good point too. lolita IS just clothes, and putting on a frilly apron and a cute secondhand dress while i clean is nice. what your wardrobe is composed of might not allow you to do it, but it's certainly not impossible or just a dumb kid thing. i'm 27 for reference.
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>>10401470
I wish it was just me lmao
>>10401488
I only posted a few times. Apparently there's other fatties who agree with me, no need to get upsetti about it anon
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Today I found out you can't be a communist and believe in communist ideals and like/want cute things at the same time, that obese people according to cgl shouldn't have freedoms, namely of expression because that's not kawaii, and sjws and vegans are a thing and they remain over the top and wishing everyone followed their miracle solution to happiness, the end of suffering and world hunger.

Thanks ladies, you are a wonderful bunch of pseudo thinkers. I'd stick to coording.
Otherwise it could be young girls with eating disorders, young girls who don't understand politics, young girls who are naive enough to believe being vegan or going no poo or whatever else miracle solution that isn't regulating big factories will save the world... etcetera.
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>>10401714
My point is... Neither of you is the sharpest tool in the shed. Just get along, play nice. Stop trying to think or judge things, it's embarrassing. Love and support each other. Now that's kawaii af.
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>>10401723
>>10401714
cringe newfaggotry
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>>10401724
Yea, I never knew it was this lowbrow over here.
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>>10401714
this board is indeed mostly zoomers as we saw from the census last year, so you got that part right
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>>10399991
>I always feel so good when I get dressed up, even if it's not lolita
For a lot of people, myself included, a major part of fashion is self-expression. When there's no one to show it to and nowhere to go in it, a chunk of the appeal is ruined.

Is it the *only* reason I like it? Of course not. I still like the feel of wearing the dresses and the process of putting together a nice outfit. But at the moment, the pros of feeling nice in it are outweighed by the cons of maintenance and unnecessary wear and tear to the dresses. I'd rather sit around and get sweaty in pajamas than in lolita.
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>>10400085
>>10400107
Most of the Japanese lolitas who started wearing the fashion were women who wore it on special occasions to treat themselves. Daily lolitas have always been the vast minority. How is it "surprising" to you that wearing fancy, elaborate clothing is not normally a daily thing? People don't need to engage with their hobbies every single day of their lives.

>>10400285
This might shock you, but there's a place between "being a conlita because you're too much of a pussy to wear it anywhere else" and "wearing lolita around the house every single day". Most people exist between these two extremes.

>>10400897
Complaining about sliding socks doesn't mean you hate lolita and don't like wearing it. It just means your socks that day are being weird. It's more bizarre that you're clutching your pearls over such a mild complaint and interpreting it to mean people hate the fashion. I love cycling but if I had to cycle for 12 hours straight, I'd start to complain. Similarly, some people might be uncomfortable in certain shoes or makeup after an extended period of time.
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>>10401749
>When there's no one to show it to
There are plenty of people to show it to. Hence why SM is blowing up with coords these days.

>I'd rather sit around and get sweaty in pajamas than in lolita.
Do you not have a/c or at least a fan? You can afford lolita but you can't afford to keep cool?

>>10401759
I'm not saying I don't believe you but the stories I heard from Japan were about girls sneaking out to cities so they could dress in various alt fashion which included lolita.

I'm not saying that what you're saying isn't true, I just don't know if your story was the majority of them because the stories I heard seemed like it was more of going out and experiencing the freedom to dress however you want, and not necessarily for special occasions only.

I don't think I'm clutching pearls at all. I think I exist in the happy medium you're talking about which is wearing it sometimes but obviously not always. Even daily lolitas don't work out in lolita.

I think it's weird to focus on the sock example because I was more taken aback by the anon who referred to dressing up as quote "a waste of time".

And I'm sorry but in my comm, there seems to be a lot of random girls who find the stuff super uncomfortable to the point where they are just complaining the entire meet up about having to wear the fashion when they could just not wear it and save themselves the uncomfy feels that lolita gives them.
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>>10401759
Fucking thank you
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>>10401933
If I kept my house at the sub zero temps I prefer during the regular 105+ temps in my area, I definitely wouldn’t be able to afford Lolita lmao
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>>10401946
The only way I get through summer is by staying indoors where it's as cold as I want it to be.
The only time my utilities goes up is in the winter and that's usually because I live with other people who insist on using a heater instead of blankets and layered clothing.
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>>10401759
>Similarly, some people might be uncomfortable in certain shoes or makeup after an extended period of time.
Sure but this is weird cause like, not too long ago everyone on this board was in a rage because Lor couldn't handle wearing lolita for a day.
It's interesting to see the opposite of that opinion now.
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>>10401949
It's obvious we got invaded by fb coslitas, fatties, itas and underage for some time now, so I'm not surprised.
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>>10401976
The fatties are eating the bait when its not even quality
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>>10401976
It's probably not even an invasion it's probably like four people max, it just seems like a lot because facebook losers don't know when to shut the fuck up and are incredibly desperate to win arguments against meanies on the internet.
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>>10401976
>>10401978
>>10401991
> Hoes Mad x24
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>>10402060
>fatty mad
eat a snickers
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>>10401949
What if I told you that I wasn't one of those people? I know it might be shocking to you but there's more than one person on here.
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>>10401933
>There are plenty of people to show it to. Hence why SM is blowing up with coords these days.
Sure, I assumed you meant just wearing the clothing without taking pictures.

>You can afford lolita but you can't afford to keep cool?
I was being hyperbolic but everyone's skin has body oils and a small amount of sweat just from existing. You still have to wash and maintain your clothes periodically even if you're not running a mile in them.

>I heard seemed like it was more of going out and experiencing the freedom to dress however you want, and not necessarily for special occasions only.
I think we might differ on the interpretation of "special occasions". A small special occasion for me is a weekend brunch with friends, a visit to a museum, or a trip to the park. Basically a treat for yourself which doesn't just happen every day. I don't think they only meant official occasions like birthdays and weddings.
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>>10402060
girl just shut up and stop derailing every board with this shit. you're right but you're being fucking annoying about it.
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>>10402061
I love bumping this thread with nonsensical bullshit. I just have to say I'm fat and you keep coming back. Also snickers are gross, I much rather eat a fruity candy like starbursts or something idk
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>>10402079
It's nice to know my influence spread to other threads. This is the only one I've consistently posted in for a while
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>>10401991
>it's probably like four people max
The numbers for each thread indicate it's more than that.
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>>10402065
Yes, and you know what, I agree with >>10401976
This board definitely got an influx of newfags.
Maybe you're just a fucking tourist too. Sure do fucking act like one.
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>>10402072
>Sure, I assumed you meant just wearing the clothing without taking pictures.
Well, as always, anons are wrong when they assume things.

>I was being hyperbolic
Oh cool. So now it sounds like you can't handle washing your dresses frequently.
I wear my stuff frequently and wash it frequently. It holds up fine. You sure do have a lot of excuses.

And now special occasion is just whatever you want it to be.
I like to have brunch with friends too but I don't treat it like it's some special occasion that needs to go in my diary.

My point is, it's just CLOTHES.
You can wear them whenever. You just choose not to.
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>>10400856
I'm on the west coast and when a girl in my comm got onions sauce on her dress, she mentioned that it would be her first time washing it since buying. I'd definitely say people like that are in the minority though
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>>10402494
i feel like it's not necessary to wash jsks unless they get dirty or you sweated directly on it. ops, blouses, and socks should be washed every time tho
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>>10399699

Probably that almost everyone here is either a Karen or a RuPaul pretending to be a Karen.

>>10399768

The reactions you’re getting don’t surprise me at all. Imagine people with frills for brains playing politics— Oh wait, we don’t have to!
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>>10402603
I'm apple for sofa and butterfly again. Rupaul ice were the gifs have a. Water like lol....
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>>10399832
Sometimes people endure painful or uncomfortable things even though they love them. I hate being sweaty and sore, but I like going to the gym and working out. Tattoos are painful, but the end result is worth it. Lolita is uncomfortable to wear sometimes and I'm excited to take it off after wearing it for a few hours, but I still love wearing it and love how I look in it.

>>10399949
I don't have A/C at home. It's hot and humid inside my house. I'm not going to sweat and fester in my lolita just for the ~aesthetic to please some no-names on cgl playing the "if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around, does it really make a noise: lolita edition" game.

i can assure you most japanese lolitas arent wearing their AP coordinates 24/7 while not going out.
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>>10402494
One Halloween meet a girl wearing Holy Lantern asked the other 5+ girls wearing Holy Lantern how they wash it without damaging the flocking. Nobody had an answer because nobody had tried to wash theirs yet. Some of these girls had owned the dress since its original release and wore it regularly. That’s when I decided never to buy a flocked dress secondhand.
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>>10401933
>I'm not saying I don't believe you but the stories I heard from Japan were about girls sneaking out to cities so they could dress in various alt fashion which included lolita.

is that not a special occasion?

>>10401949
I thought everyone on here was an idiot back then too.

What does it matter to you if someone else doesn't wear lolita as much as you do? I have never once cared about that, and I've been in the fashion for over a decade. This was never an issue. I can't help but think you're all lolitas at heart desperately trying to emulate some kamikaze girls style lolita 24/7 lifestyle.

and everyone seems to forget when it comes to this discussion that not everyone has the wardrobe for daily casual wear. if you have lots of simple cut, sack dresses, cutsews and skirts, or ETC/Leur Getter dresses then yes, you have the wardrobe for casual wear. but if you wear lots of OTT sweet, have mostly OPs and JSKs and more intricate pieces then you probably aren't going to wear those as daily wear.
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>>10402687
I agree that it's disgusting to never wash your dresses but if you want a secondhand flocked dress you can just wash it yourself right?

What I found surprising is fairly similar, it's how all lolitas seem to think that velveteen will get destroyed if you wash it any other way than dry cleaning. I have a couple velveteen pieces and while I don't wash them as often as my less fragile items, I still wash them around every third or fourth wear. They've held up just fine over the years, the fabric still looks great. The same idea goes for washing/getting out stains: the lolita community often acts like their dresses are so fragile they'll just fall apart when you look at them wrong and as soon as they're stained they're ruined forever.
Meanwhile I've literally gotten huge candlewax stains out of velveteen just fine. It was a pain in the ass, sure, but if you take care to look up how exactly to clean specific kinds of stains on specific kinds of material, you'll find a working solution more often than not.
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>>10399699
People dressing up in thousands of dollars worth of OTT clothes, elegant and over-detailed, not willing to do something with their hair and face to match the refined look of what they wear.
People looking absolutely top notch in Lolita but wearing the most boring, ugly and mismatched old-fashioned Godwill-tier stuff when out of it. I know being interested in J-Fashion does not equal having interest for normie fashion, but still feel like if you have some sense of style to be able to look great in Lolita it should at least somehow reflect in other spheres of your life.
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>>10402601
it was an op
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>>10402670
is anon having a stroke????????
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>>10402260
You sound paranoid. Make sure you periodically go outdoors to keep yourself from becoming more unhinged.
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>>10402943
I too am concerned but maybe it’s just a REALLY bad translation...
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>>10402262
Sure, I was wrong assuming you enjoyed wearing the clothes without showing them to people.

>So now it sounds like you can't handle washing your dresses frequently.
Ironic that you also proceed to make incorrect assumptions. What I said was based off of the idea of wearing the clothes around the house as daily wear without taking photos. If I'm taking and posting photos, then I'm fine with it.

>I like to have brunch with friends too but I don't treat it like it's some special occasion that needs to go in my diary.
Well clearly multiple other people like myself and >>10402688 consider outings like that to be minor special occasions. There are plenty of historical diaries where people write about them. No need to get pissy over semantics.

>You can wear them whenever. You just choose not to.
What are you even talking about here? I've specifically said I wear them with friends and out and about regularly. You yourself don't even consider that a special occasion so by your definition I'm wearing them regularly. Are you having a stroke or are you just getting angry over some strawman in your head?
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>>10402262
fuck you are retarded. this is like a marathoner getting pissed off at hobby-jogging moms for "not liking running enough". people enjoy hobbies to different degrees and in different ways. not everyone engages with their hobbies on a daily basis. why does it make you so seething mad?
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>>10402995
>seething
Please lord grant us reprieve from summer
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>>10402998
>derailing to spam more of this useless garbage that has been shitting up half the threads
please lord grant us reprieve from summer
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>>10399783
Lol no
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>>10399865
There’s never historically been a true communist government. They all just take inspiration from it.
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My most surprising discovery in lolita was that things are cheaper than it's made out to be. When I was a newb in my early teens I barely knew how to use the internet, I used youtube, tumblr, wikipedia, fyeahlolita and never really googled anything. Bought stuff from cosmates and clobba because that's what I knew about. Everyone I followed on tumblr always talked about how expensive brand was, "this [popular moitie print] is 600 dollars secondhand!" and "taobao and bodyline is the only affordable options". Then I realised my local comm exists on fb, and the real online comm exists on lj. Found out about lolibrary, comm sales and later lacemarket and closetchild and I realised that the super expensive burando that will not be obtainable unless I save up for several years was readily available often for prices I could afford with birthday money. Secondhand good condition Moitie, VM, AatP for less than I at the time paid for Krad Lanrete.
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>>10405881
The main thing that makes lolita cheaper is that you can (almost) always make your money back. Can’t do that with mainstream fashion unless you’re an expert at flipping 90s ‘vintage’.
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>>10405902
This, you can always make even or get more than you paid for if you really wanted to. Of course it depends on usage / damages but lolita usually goes up in price with age
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>>10405905
Eh, I don’t know if that’s true. I own a lot of older brand (pre-2010) that however doesn’t fit into the specific “old-school” aesthetic and desu I either bought it for dirt cheap or I bought it years ago and nowadays cannot shift for the life of me, so to be honest I don’t think Lolita gets more desirable with age unless it fits into a couple of very very specific niches
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>>10405902
only true for certain brands like ap or moitie. iw dresses sell for less than half original price, sometimes even less. any indie brand dresses, whether japanese or otherwise, will have to go for cheap
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>>10406049
But if you buy them for cheap in the first place, you rarely have to go any cheaper.
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>>10399845
China is peak capitalism. It's communist in name only.
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>>10399699
The level of racism in the general community, which was a welcome surprise but still a big one.
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>>10399826
>t. Ranny
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>>10400156
It's literally the highest obeast rate in the world, dumbass. Only the UK also gets up to 30%.
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>>10410912
In name, and in oppressive regime.
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>>10399699
The amount of hate between the members. Tons of back talking, being exclusive, gossip and all around pettiness.
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>>10410970
As someone from country that was communist, all these coronavirus conspiracy theories about virus being more deadly and how it spread much earlier than official data suggests seem plausible. Americans complain about their propaganda during the Cold War, but honestly living in a communist regime comes with more or less having to live with fucked up shit on a daily basis. China isn’t truly communist because even in the 70s commies realised that the system doesn’t support economy. Heck, even during the revolution they had to switch back to semi-capitalism, look up NEP. And at least you didn’t have real calls to the nation about the “crime of American imperialists” which was supposed to be dumping potato beetles on my country’s territory. I doubt Americans had something to beat this one.
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>>10410979
this is literally any group of women. how is that surprising
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>>10411011
I haven’t seen it anywhere near on this scale since I was in fucking high school. This is teen girl behaviour, and I find it weird as fuck coming from adult women.
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>>10411014
being an adult is a myth
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>>10411019
Gaining some maturity/respect for others as you age shouldn’t be
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>>10411014
bjd comm is 10x worse, be sure never to go for that one then
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>>10411011
You obviously have never been in a male hobby. Thinking it's exclusive to women is cute
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>>10411022
Why would I be interested in dolls lol
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>>10399773
>Capitalists say yes, capitalism is when people trade
>anti-capitalists say no and that capitalists don't know their own economic system because some hundred year old book told them so using some fairy-tale labour theory
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>>10411024
a large amount of lolitas also like bjds or pullips
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I don't have anything controversial to add, but in looking for information to show my mom who only knows Vietnamese, I was surprised to find so much info in the language. Even Misako went to Hanoi a couple times; The scene's that big there.
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You don't really need to go heavy handed with the makeup, or sometimes even wear makeup with your coord
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>>10414034
I feel like Viet people are some of the biggest weebs out there lol
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>>10414075
You're not wrong. Apparently Japan and Vietnam have been real tight for a while. I think only Taiwan rivals Vietnam in how friendly with Japan they are as well as how weeby.
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>>10401314
i literally dont believe that this happened
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>>10402687
jesus christ how horrifying. HL can be handwashed just fine.
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>>10414075
isn't vietnam a third world country? i'm surprised they have computers and internet at all
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>>10414115
My good god this comment. Internet access is getting cheaper every day and so are computers and smartphones. You can live in a shit hole and have accessto the internet fairly cheaply. The american education system is fucked beyond belief.
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>>10411023
this, they're just as insane and bitchy. just more confrontational
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>>10414115
Brazil is a third world country and they're all over Twitter.
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>>10414123
>>10414135
it's crazy for third worlders to even care about frivolous luxury crap like lolita though. when everyone around you is starving and shit, how do you just ignore that?
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>>10400127
I know I hate fat people because you are something I am afraid to be and how easily it can happen.
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i am surprised that some people think lolita is a high fashion. no it's not. dresses cost as much as lower end high fashion bags. that's not to say there's any issue with that, it's just, not on the same level at all.
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>>10414115
>tfw the richest person i know is from vietnam.
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>>10414179
Right? The most expensive couture Baby dress is literally the price of a high fashion simple shirt
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>>10414144
How do you ignore the homeless people on the street in America? You tell yourselves that there is probably someone else doing something about it and the person would probably waste your money anyway and really, it’s probably their choice/fault. Humans are really good at looking the other way
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>>10414144
Don't be so patronizing. The developing world is not like an Amnesty Intl. commercial. Life is more complex than that.
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>>10414179
Cheap fast fashion has fucked up people's expectations about clothes, so anything that at least won't fall apart after a year of wear is considered high fash
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>>10414115
Holy shit how close-minded do you have to be to have this kind of vision of countries, I don't even want to know what kind of dated vision you have of the world
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>>10414187
These people go to places that will accomodate them and help them find a job, but these places don't allow drug nd/or alcohol use. Why do you think most of the homeless people are also alcoholics? And not buying lolita and spending it on charieties sadly won't help either. It's the problem of western countries importing more products from africa than it stays there. They use their land and workforce for something that doesn't improve their life situation because of incompetency and greed of governments of their and other countries.
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>>10414187
The US is so fucking big and spread out that you're rarely going to just "come across" homeless people unless you're in a big city and specifically go to areas with homeless shelters and services. You're not going to find them wandering around in suburbs.

But if you've ever visited India or somewhere similar, you know there is no escape from extreme poverty unless you go out to farmland....and even there poverty is so rampant that people have child servants.
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>>10414254
Ok, I wasn’t saying any of that’s not true. I was just saying the way you buy lolita when there are people suffering in a poorer country is the same way you do it in America. You look the other way because really, what can you do that matters?
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>>10414179
This is one thing I don't understand. Why the fuck is OUR fashion full of people complaining about having no money? Surely people on /fa/ aren't complaining about the price of the high fashion clothing they wear, and those brands are a million times more expensive. Why don't so many lolitas realize that fashion is literally a luxury that they need to save for? Do other fashion comms experience this from newfags?
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>>10414271
I don’t know about you, but I live in the suburbs and there are homeless people. It’s not hard to see them if you’re looking, they might not be in front of your doorstep but they’re in the store parking lots, libraries, & bus stops. Extreme poverty is everywhere in America and if you don’t see it that’s because you do exactly what I’m talking about, you look the other way and train yourself not see it.
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>>10414278
No, retard. Homeless people congregate at shelters so they can trade drugs and get free food. It makes sense for them. Taking literal hours to walk to some random suburb far from downtown where they won't receive food, money, shelter, or drugs, does not make any sense so they don't do it. At most, I might see maybe one homeless person a month, begging right next to the highway with the cardboard sign theatrics.

This is far, far, far less than the poverty you see in India, where middle class people afford child servants.
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>>10414144
Oh fuck off. There are people struggling in the us too and i bet your ignorant ass doesn't do shit about it. Not everybody who lives in a third world country is poor, just like not everyone who lives in a first world country lives in a castle. So,e of them can afford lolita is thy wanted to. I'm speaking as someone who has family in a third world country and can afford to go on holidays and buy designer shit. Please stop pretending to know anything about what goes outside your suburb.
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>>10414292
How fucking sheltered are you? I see homeless people all the time in my daily life and I hardly ever leave the suburbs. You clearly are just wrapped up in your perfect little world.
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>>10399699
That everyone actually hates eachother.
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>>10414330
This is blatantly not true, but I do think the whole “everyone should be friends because we share a hobby!” attitude is retarded. Having one thing in common does not a friendship make. I have lolita friends, but I’m not friends with every lolita I’ve met. That’s normal.
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>>10414329
do you live in NJ or something?
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>>10414337
I’ve never even been to New Jersey.
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>>10414338
well where the hell do you live? most flyover states don't have homeless people in their cheap suburbs. unless you're mistaking druggies who live in hotels for the actual homeless.
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>>10414322
It's painfully obvious you've never been to a third world country where crowds of thin slum children will run through traffic to beg at your window and try to sell you handkerchiefs. It's completely out of the league of the poverty we experience in the US. I'm sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about.
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>>10414292
You know drug dealers live in the suburbs too, right? Lol mine does, why would I go all the way into the city to buy drugs? And most homeless people would rather sleep in a car or even a tent than a shelter because shelters are full of bedbugs and thieves. You’re either sheltered or confused. By suburb do you mean shitty cookie cutter McMansion housing development? That’s not a suburb, that’s a neighborhood.
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>>10414329
>I see homeless people all the time in my daily life and I hardly ever leave the suburbs.
What the fuck ghetto ass suburb do you live in? Are people selling drugs or trying to squat there? Or are you near an urban center?
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>>10414339
Uh not really interested in risking outing myself. US suburbs, like the kind you see on those white TV shows.
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>>10414344
The kind of suburb you’ll never be able to afford.
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>>10414342
They’re pretending to be sad & poor to make a tourist feel sorry for them and but their crap. I’ve lived in places like that, most of those kids are just hustlers cuz they want extra pocket money, they’re not actually starving. The real poor kids are the ones you don’t see, they’re working sewing your lolita dresses
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>>10414347
yes, suburbs are known for being super expensive, anon, not like the cheap big city!
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>>10414350
Do you live in a multimillion dollar home? I doubt it.
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>>10414343
>That’s not a suburb, that’s a neighborhood.
What? A suburb is an actual classification, not a slang word. It's literally just a (usually) residential district on the outskirts of a city. People usually raise families in them and commute for work. This might shock you, but not everyone lives and raises families in suburbs like yours which are apparently crawling with homeless junkies on a daily basis.
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>>10414350
Um you are trying to be sarcastic but you are exactly corrrect. It’s called white flight. Some trendy big cities like New York, Seattle, & San Francisco have reversed that now with the current generation but in most places the suburbs are where the rich people live.
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>>10414352
you certainly don't lmao.
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>>10414352
Homeless people are crawling around your multimillion dollar suburb? Do you live in the Detroit suburbs or something?
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>>10414349
>They’re pretending to be sad & poor to make a tourist feel sorry for them and but their crap.
Honey.....the children live in entire slum towns. They work as domestic servants. You really don't know anything about poverty. My god, I thought all of you at least watched slumdog millionaire by this point. It's incredibly sad that you don't actually know how badly so many people are suffering.
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>>10414354
rich people live there because they can afford more land and bigger houses since it's so much cheaper than the city. cities have always had shitty areas, but the reason to leave is because you spend too much money for very little. my $5k apartment is nice, but it's tiny as fuck. i could be living in a huge house for that much in the suburbs.
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>>10414357
I didn’t say they were in my neighborhood. They’re not even in my city. I don’t only spend my day in one city.
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>>10414360
>I didn’t say they were in my neighborhood
>>10414344
Oh okay.
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>>10414353
A suburb isn’t a purely residential housing development on the outskirts of a big city, it’s a smaller town adjacent to a big city where many of the residents commute to the larger city for work. That’s the definition of a suburb. Most suburbs have their own town center and their own strata of varying wealths and have poor people just like the big city.
Where do you live that’s it’s just a big city surrounded by endless McMansion developments? That’s bizarre
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>>10414360
Then why the fuck did you enter this conversation to respond to >>10414344 ? God you're retarded.
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>>10414364
I said I see them in my DAILY LIFE, not right by my house, retard. I have a job and a life outside of where I live.
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>>10414365
>I said I see them in my DAILY LIFE
>>10414329
>I hardly ever leave the suburbs
Oh. Okay.
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>>10414363
If you think homeless people are in every 30-minute-commuter family suburb then I don't know what to tell you except that yours just sucks. Mine aren't crawling with homeless junkies and children play outside in the evening because it's safe. It's not even McMansion tier and I never said it was. It's just middle class families.
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>>10414366
Suburbs have office buildings now, it’s not like this is the 1950s. I save hundreds on not commuting, which means I have more to spend on lolita.
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>>10414363
sorry.

>an outlying district of a city, especially a residential one.
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>>10414368
>Lives in "multimillion dollar home"
>Worried about saving money on commute
Lmfao sure you do
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>>10414359
I mean there are many different cities in America with different setups. There are always gonna be expensive apartments in any big city, but in a lot of cities outside of a few “cool” people in the direct downtown core most of the rich people move to “safe” suburbs. Cities like Detroit & Milwaukee to make just a couple off the top of my head, those cities have large areas that are really poor and the rich people mostly live in suburbs. Obviously places like Austin, Seattle, New York, SF, it’s expensive to live in the city, but not everywhere is like that
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>>10414368
you still don't seem to know what suburbs are. it sounds more like you just live in a shitty smaller city on a big city's metro line.
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>>10414372
That’s literally what a suburb is, retard
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>>10414370
Not to mention, anyone who lives in a multi-million dollar home is going to work in a big city and not just down the road in a shitty old office park.
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>>10414370
You’re really stuck on that, aren’t you? Poor thing, it must suck to be so singleminded.

Rich people aren’t rich because they throw money around. They’re rich because they don’t.
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>>10414373
no it's not, that's a city. if you can get to the city by subway, you're not in a suburb.
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>>10414374
My husband works in the city, I don’t. Not everyone is single.
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>>10414375
>They’re rich because they don’t.
>wasting MILLIONS of dollars on a house that will lose value over time isn't "throwing money around"
lmao, do you also believe that if you try hard you can magically succeed at whatever you do and become wealthy?
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>>10414377
cool story, spoony.
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>>10414380
even if that's the case anon also said >>10414375 so...
my friend who actually lives in a multi-million dollar home has a house maid who comes into work every day. and my fiance had two live maids at his family apartment, but he lived in a different country where maids are pretty common.
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>>10414381
Mcmansions like anon is talking about do lose value over time because they are poorly constructed and end up being worth less as time goes on.
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>>10414380
>with a little of spare to buy anything else.
um....no? if you have millions then buying $200 dresses is not going to set you back on your house maintenance. I make 6 figures and even I don't fret about that shit. Lolita is incredibly cheap as a fashion.
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>>10414384
exactly. rich people don't fret over a few hundred dollars. i've gotten gifted shoes more expensive than lolita from my rich friends' parents.
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>>10414383
Some suburbs have million dollars homes that aren’t McMansions ya know.
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>>10414386
They really don't. You can't convince us you live in a million dollar home. People who live in million dollar homes don't need validation anonymously on the internet.
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>>10414363
You are retarded. "Suburbs" are not cities on their own. It's literally in the name: "sub-urb". If you are travelling to your smaller city's "urban center" to work, then you are exiting the suburbs. Suburbs are a classification, not just a cutesy name for "smaller town that's kinda near another larger city".
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>>10414388
this. also the idea that some anons ITT think most houses in T3 cost more than T4 or T5 is insane.
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>>10414387
Unless she's riding on the coattails of her husband to feel like she's actually superior in some way despite doing nothing but spreading her legs.
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>>10414390
Again, she wouldn't need to get validation over that. I know a lot of anons generally think anyone is lying about being rich, but this is just blatant coping for being a nobody in a flyover state bragging about not being rich enough to afford parking in a big city for work.
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>>10399699
The community fucking sucks
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Something that surprised me about lolita is that even in the year 2020, lolita-related threads on cgl are still getting shitted up with gulls screaming about fat people. It's boring and annoying af.

>Inb4 hurr durr you're just a fattie
Nah, I fit into my pre 2007 brand just fine. I just wanna see more posts about lolita and less posts about your stupid fat fetish.
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>>10414413
too bad if you actually fit into pre 2007 brand you'd complain about fatties making new brand run too big for you to wear.
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>>10414363
Your description makes me think of DFW but that seems like a nice place if you can afford it. Wonder if their comm is still a backstabbing shitshow like it was years ago
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>>10414415
nayrt but I fit into pre 2007 brand and idgaf about fatties because I don't care about 99% of new brand releases anyway. It is possible to be thin and not spend most of your day seething about the fats
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>>10414415
nayrt but 2007 brand has a super wide range of sizes, I fit some but not all
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>>10414457
I'm the anon and I feel the same about new brand releases. Most are meh at best and ugly at worst. I've got plenty of older options. Even if I liked a new dress that was too big, I'd just get it tailored instead of screeching about fat people on an anonymous weeb board.
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>>10414387
Ntayrt, but there are million dollar homes in the suburbs that aren’t McMansions. I come from a smallish city an hour outside of a major one, and the Victorian homes here regularly go for a mil plus. My dad is an architect and he designed a custom house for our family on a large lot, and I’m pretty sure it would assess at over a million
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>>10414271
I see you’ve never been to the inland empire lol
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>>10414179
it's certainly not the same as normal fashion prices that you buy from forever21 or whatever either. so it's like a middle ground i guess?
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>>10414228
seeing videos from third world countries is what gives me that "vision" so idk what you mean. it looks like a horrific and disgusting place. pic related. how can one obsess over frivolous crap when this is what your country is like?

>>10414187
homeless people aren't starving to death and their bodies aren't left in the streets for people to come across. we have soup kitchens and food banks and other sources to keep people fed. we also don't have people getting beheaded and shit like in brazil
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>>10402962
>Ironic that you also proceed to make incorrect assumptions.
Are you the anon I replied to before? They mentioned sweat getting on their dresses. That's a reason to wash the dress. If you're too lazy to wear the dress, it's not a leap to assume you'll also be too lazy to wash it.

>If I'm taking photos it's fine
Good to hear you're over it and you're actually wearing the clothing you paid for.

And yes. They are JUST clothes. They're meant to be worn. This is the usual message spread across this board. I'm kind of surprised that it's suddenly the opposite.

Thanks for admitting you were wrong, however. I know that takes A LOT for people on 4chan to do.
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>>10403003
>being too stupid to realize I've been here the whole time "shitting up" threads with on topic discussion about lolita



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