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So, i have this story. I was getting ready for going out and put on a black and white old school coord. Teased my hair, you know. My mom saw me and she went like"I like your look but I'm worried what if someone mistake you for a hooker?"
>>10395382my 87 yr old grandma got really excited when she saw my peeking bloomers and said 'that's what we used to wear when I was growing up!'
>>10395461stop wearing the fashion since you cant let your mommy go
>>10395488Are you retarded or something?
>>10395498nta but i think op is posting about her mom in another thread.
>>10395503But you cant know for sure, right?
>>10395461Why do people get this idea? I mean you can barely see my hands and my face, why would I be a prostitute? Jesus.
>>10395504Nayrt but this is a slow board. OP posted 3 times in a row in this thread alone. The :333. It's very obvious. Though it's a nice thread idea in itself.
Usually I get pretty wholesome comments and compliments. Like people saying my outfits are really pretty and asking if I’m going anywhere special. Someone at a museum once asked if I was in a beauty pageant, and when I explained that I just like dressing that way for fun, they said that it’s great to be unique and dress how you want, and that more people should do that. One time I was at a grocery store and a little kid happily pointed me out to his dad, who called me Little Bo Peep. The Little Bo Peep comments are pretty cute when they’re not said in a mocking way imo. Especially since the kid probably thought I was actually her. It’s the same when kids think you’re an actual princess.The only negative thing I’ve experienced is someone who was convinced it was fetish clothes even when I, someone who actually wears the fashion, explained otherwise. Can’t be helped though. It’s been mistaken for fetish clothes by someone else once, but he understood when I explained it was just a fashion. I don’t mind that misunderstanding if they actually understand when I explain. But overall, that situation isn’t very common
I wore my coord to a nintendo launch event years ago, and a few people asked about my outfit. General positive interest. When I did explain about lolita to one guy, he exclaimed that he 'loves lolis' and started following me around the place. I did explain that they are different things, but it wouldnt sway him.
"dressing like children" We all get this alot and I think it's one of the funniest comments. Especially when it comes from someone wearing leggings and a bright ugly sweater. I don't know what children you have met but I've seen more children wear simple boring outfits rather than expensive frilly dresses
I'm a lifestyler who mainly wears gothic. If I got a dollar for every instance I've been unironically asked if I'm going to a funeral. I could acquire my pricey wishlist in an instant.I know that some regular goths get this comment a lot, but who the hell goes to a funeral dressed in something like pic related?
So i was walking in my sweet lolita coord and a teenage girl approached meShe: so you are a lolita, aren't youMe: yepShe: and you wear bloomers?Me: well, yes?She: can i see your kawaii bloomers please?Me: nopeAnd i went away and wtf was that
>>10395656wtf what a weirdo
I once got asked if I was a little.
I was asked if I was a clogger this weekend. That was a new one. It was a little old lady and she wasn't even trying to o be mean either. I blame that commercial.
>>10395664Tell them "nah, I'm about medium."
I usually get asked by old people if I’m going dancing. Maybe they’re thinking of square dancing. Once I went to a bike convention in a pretty full coord and the guy taking tickets said I looked like a pageant queen, which I took as a compliment, but looking back I guess he was probably thinking Toddlers and Tiaras.
i don't get a lot of comments other than people asking me what the occasion is or that i look cute honestly. this conversation that happened a while back made me kind of cringe though>at event on campus, wearing sweet>was sort of conversing with random weeb girl there>normie acquaintance sees me, asks what i'm wearing>give stock answer of "japanese street fashion" which he seems satisfied with, says i look nice>weeb girl decides to pipe up>"it's called LOLITA FASHION, and it has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BOOK! i know it may look like a fetish thing but i promise IT ISN'T!!!! winkwink nudgenudge">no one thought it was until you said something, genius>normie acquaintance sees my embarrassed expression, goes "uh... alright, that's cool i guess" and walks off>why
>>10395461>>10395507The old school miniskirts do look a little hooker-ish if you wear tall boots with them.
Not long after a TLC reality show had a living doll episode, I had multiple people ask me if I was dolly or a living doll. I feigned ignorance and acted like I had no idea what it was. My go to is just saying 'It is a fashion from Japan' and leaving it at that. There has also been times where I've seen women physically recoil when I've told them it was called lolita, so I simply don't go into detail anymore. Yes, it is always white middle age Karens.
>>10395550Toddlers do wear poofy chiffon dresses often, which some pastel sweet does resemble, particularly if it has teddy bears or other toys on it. Idk why sweets don't take care to avoid those motifs.
>>10395795I have never and will never use the word "lolita" when talking to a normie. Why open that can of worms? Calling it jfash, a fashion club, princess fashion, just whatever else.
>>10395798She was pressing me to say the name. I have always reluctant to say it unless it's requested. Lolita isn't this scandalous work that can't be said. It's not worth trying to make up a bullshit name. I just don't give more detail beyond 'its a fashion' now since it seems no matter what I do or say I get poor reactions from the public.
So, im from russian speaking country and we have very popular children book character called Malvina, a blue haired doll.And when I'm out wearing lolita, I often get called Malvina. Im a gothic lolita. And guess what? My hair aren't even blue.
>>10395820i'd take that as a compliment desu.
>>10395820She’s cute af, perfect lolita.
Lets not forget this gem
>>10395846Yeah, it doesn't meant to be mean actually, just kind of awkward
When people ask what I’m wearing I say it’s by a Japanese designer. If they want specifics, I say the name: Mary Magdalene or Victorian Maiden, usually. Those are straightforward enough and they can find the brands if they want to without encountering weird porn stuff.
>>10395865I call it japanese punk fashion
>>10395820Btw, Malvina the blue haired doll is a character from Pinocchio, so Italian, not originally Russian. Though apparently she’s especially popular in Russia.
>>10395873I thought it was Turquoise Fairy in Pinocchio?
>>10395820I am also Russian and she has always been my inspiration !!
Once at a grocery store, a little girl came up to me and hugged me and asked if I was a fairy. Normie comments have gotten nicer. I used to get harassed at the mall when I wore lolita as a teen. Usually by shitty guys trying to sarcastically "hit" on me and make a rude comment about it not being Halloween. Now at most I just get told I look cute by older ladies.
>>10395795>Old ladies love it>Young women chill with it>Middle age Karen's always giving you weird looks Why is it always them?
>>10395974honestly i feel like they could be Karens of any age, but they just look middle age.
>>10395974I feel like they are obessed with conformity and just feel entitled to the order of things being maintained. Or they are jealous to see a woman living their nest free life, whilst they abandoned all their hobbies and aspirations to raise children and look after their cheating husbands.
>>10395974They're still young enough to change their lives but they can't. Out of fear or inability. They're unhappy housewives who lived life on autopilot, getting married to men who hate them and giving birth to children who hate them. they had to give up all hobbies outside of the sphere of "mother" and "wife". people in jfashion are living reminders of the lives they couldve had.
>>10395893Anon is confused. Malvina is from The Adventures of Buratino, which is a Russian knockoff of Pinocchio. Malvina is the Turquoise Fairy knockoff, but she’s a doll instead of a fairy.
>wearing lolita on campus>school club acquaintance walks up to me. we say hi>she compliments me, calling me cute, and then immediately follows up with "what type of dere are you?">I'm confused. maybe she means substyles? >"um, I'm a classic lolita">"WOW! I'm a Deredere myself!!!! I love people!!!" is all I hear before I stop listening bc of disgusted realization that she was talking about anime stereotypes/personalities. eg. Tsundere, Yandere, etc.I get it, anime is inspired by the fashion. I don't blame her for connecting the two. but confusing clothing with weeb personality typing is a whole other type of fucking stupid. glad I'm never going to see her cringey ass again
>>10396048Ughhh so cringeSomewhat related, I know a girl who works at hot topic and every time I post something lolita-related she complains about how the fashion is too expensive even though I literally went to a concert with her and watched her buy a shirt, jacket, skateboard, vinyl, and bandana from her fav band all in one go
>>10396048I'm happy the one time I wore lolita to class, I was just called cute and it ended there
I've been recently meeting with an old friend after they lifted the ban slightly for the whole lockdown in my country.We were both wearing Sweet but in a more tonedowned way.I realized I obviously can't handle comments anymore. Everyone commenting immediately caused annoyance and me expecting bad remarks. Most were actually nice though.Hopefully this is just a phase and I can get back to handle comments more relaxed...
One gut shouted „Hey dementor” to me, I took that as a compliment honestly.
>>10396185I would too
>>10395488NTAYRT but jesus fucking christ you're literally the most braindead being i've ever witnessed in my life.Do yourself a favor and don't even go online anymore.
>>10396185I really want to know what outfit prompted this.
>>10396284I’m assuming gothic?
>>10395786Was that weeb girl my mother? Because she’s done the exact same thing, multiple times. She thinks she’s helping...
>>10396185>dementorHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHA this made me fucking cackle
I've never gotten any truly negative comments when I've gone out besides the typical judgemental stares, but I always get asked if I made my dresses. I don't know if it's just because you don't see anything resembling lolita in normie stores so handmade is the first conclusion made, but it's kind of flattering, I guess.
>>10396436Same here! I do sew so occasionally the answer is yes, but people also often ask whether I made my parasol, purse, shoes, printed tights etc. I wish, dude.
I had an old guy once comment "Oh Octoberfest! How nice!" While I was wearing gothic at an exotic car show in September
>>10396562>wearing gothic at an exotic car showi dont understand your personality
Not random normies but my mom has referred to my outfits as 'your manga girl dresses' for as long as I can remember.I guess that's what I get for not hiding my powerlevel back when I was a 13 year old weeb. At this point I feel like she's doing it on purpose to annoy me because she knows how much I cringe every time she calls it that.
>>10396581maybe she's too shy to say the real name of the fashion because of the negative connotation
>>10396562Oktoberfest is often held in September
>>10396577I like fancy cars and wearing gothic lolita. The exotic shows are a lot less rowdy and crowded together than the free for all monthly car meets and are usually held in really nice locations so I enjoy dressing up for them sometimes.>>10396658Oh well that makes a lot more sense. Still a little weird considering it wasn't near any Oktoberfest celebrations though but the old guy and his wife just seemed to think my outfit was fun.
>>10396703I attend those free for all car meets in classic lolita. Honestly car meets are my favorite place to wear lolita because everyone there is into aesthetics so it fits in, but they don’t have those sticky baby personalities the majority of girls I’ve met at meets have
>>10396436I’ve only gotten that once, but it was from a judge-y lady at a high end vintage shop. She also told me my jacket was too short on me (no shit, the fit model is 6 inches shorter than me) so I think she meant it as shade
>>10396703>>10396715the car meets around here are all scary gangsters doing shady shit. i can't picture a nice one lol
>>10396726we have nice ones wear i live. tons of cool old cars and stuff.
>>10396737god dammit, i'm not even phoneposting, just too used to writing "wear" i guess when on /cgl/
>>10396715Yes exactly! I oddly don't feel really out of place when dressed up for car shows/meets because of I guess the whole car culture thing and often have an easier time chatting with people at the car shows than I do at lolita meets. I honestly probably would dress up more for the regular monthly meets if my husband didn't insist on us getting up to get there at the asscrack of dawn just to make sure we get a spot. He drives an exotic too so I feel like they'll always have an open spot for him in the exotics section anyways.>>10396726Aw that's kind of sad. I feel like that tends to be the case in a lot of smaller cities from what I've seen. The car shows in the city I grew up in were kind of sketch but the ones I go to in the bigger city I live in now are all really well organized. Some car shows can get REALLY fancy too like the Amelia Island Concours d'Elegance. I kind of want to make the trip to it someday just for the sheer fanciness of it all.
>>10396715P, is that you?!
>>10395673What's a clogger
>>10396840https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fo3u9rCXjMA type of dancing
I mostly wear himekaji/otome and have gotten called a loli in publicMy grandpa calls me his Korean girl and sometimes I hear people speaking my native dialect about me thinking I can't understand it, mostly wondering if I'm a foreign exchange student from Korea or Japan lmao
>>10396833No p’s in my name, so no!
>>10396856Are you in the Philippines? That’s the only context I can think of where there are “native dialects” and people think it’s a compliment to look Korean
>>10395539Thats why you dont use the word "lolita" to explain shit to people. It increases the chance for a misunderstanding significantly.
>>10396856>I hear people speaking my native dialect about me thinking I can't understand it, mostly wondering if I'm a foreign exchange studentThis keeps happening to me too. People often address me in English and then talk about me to each other in our native language thinking I won’t understand. Most of the time they say nice things but when they’re being assholes I like to embarrass them by responding in our native language with the thickest regional accent I can manage.
Had a TSA guy who was on the train say to me: "Don't stop being weird girl, people like you keep this world interesting. Never let nobody kill that weirdness in you.That was some motivating shit that made my day.
>>10396940That’s really sweet. (How did you know he was TSA on the train?)
>>10396947The metro (yellow line train) in Washington DC goes by the airport. He was in uniform going to work. (Pic related)
>>10396940>>10396947>>10396949Respek. I'd prolly strike up a mini convo with him and maybe do a coffee meetup to chat about how work at the TSA is for him and learn a bit more about what crazy shit goes on there.
One of my "friends" asked me when will I realize that i'm not a child, so that i would stop dressing like one.Normies and their comments used to not get to me but ever since that comment i've been way more conscious and it's just making me sad.
Mostly nice comments from old ladies, women complimenting me on my shoes, got asked twice in one day while at work if I was cosplaying Misa from death note. Right before lockdown I had a really nice experience with a woman at a makeup store who talked about how much her daughter loves the fashion but she couldn't remember what it was called (I was too embarrassed to tell her)Only time I really got annoyed tho was a few weeks ago when i was grocery shopping and two maskless 30 something women got in my space and started asking me if I was going to a costume party/if I wore that for, like, every day stuff? Definitely not the worst experience but still annoying.Honestly I'm just surprised people are so nice about it, I live in a pretty small rural town and I guess I assumed people would be a little more shameless about mocking others.
> Friend and I taking the skytrain in lolita> Our train car is empty> A family walks into the train car from the next one over and sits in the row directly behind us> Umm, weird, but okay whatever> Someone from the family gets up and walks to the row in front of us> Pulls out their camera, turns to us, and starts taking pictures of us with the family seated behind us posing> They don't say a word to us, let alone make eye contact> We get up and leave> They don't even react, camera person just sits back down and they all start speaking in their native language
I was at a grocery store recently and a lady stopped me to tell me that, "Your dress is so beautiful!" with two thumbs up. I was so taken aback I could only say thank you and keep walking. Sorry nice lady, I usually get weird comments and don't know how to respond to compliments apparently.
>>10402575da fuck..did you get spunked with cum on your glasses and face?
>>10395383>Sweeties>:3Go kill yourself
The beggar outside my grocery store always calls me princess. It feels better when kids on public transport whispers it to each other when they see me.
>>10395382once got into a screaming match with some drunk man who insisted on taking pictures of me while I was eating at a restaurant. he asked permission at first and I was like no, sorry and he was like well I'm going to do it anyways because I can and I was like uh no you can't just take pictures of people without their consent in a private establishment and he was basically like fuck you idc and we got heated and owners didn't do shit so I left. all he managed to get was some blurry photos of me giving him the finger. I fucking hate these kinds of people
>>10396020anon, that's really interesting. I didn't know that it was a slightly different tale in different cultures. one thing.... what the fuck is going on in that picture
My crazy ex hated it and used go "do you have to wear your bunny suit?" He thought lolita was embarrassing. Fun fact, I've never owned a bunny print, I mostly wore mature printless sweet or classic while I was with him. An ex fwb said it was "very tradwife" when he found my instagram (I didn't give it to him). That earned him a block.
>>10395790I was dressed in decora waiting the bus and a guy pulled his car next to me and invited me in I was embarressed
>>10405589What the fuck kind of hooker dresses in decora
>>10405590I don't know what exactly the man with the car wanted or if he thought I was a whore. It could be he was a freak and thought I was like weird and would accept what he wanted
>>10395382>An ex fwb said it was "very tradwife" when he found my instagrambarf
>>10395820Who is that mime character with the white clothes on the right? I swear I've seen art of her before (and a movie screenshot, if I remember correctly)
>>10405661I believe it's the Pierrot from the Adventures of Buratino, a 1976 Soviet movie.
>>10405662That’s right, but Pierrot is a stock commedia dell’arte character that goes back to the 17th century, so anon could have seen him originally in any number of places.
>>10405651>fwbwhy would a slut be attracted to lolita at all, exactly? it's the antithesis of your personality
>>10405672That's true! I was just being as specific as I could. Thanks for the additional info!
>>10402577I'm socially retarded and don't know what to do in this situation. My first instinct is to compliment them back (it's genuine because you can usually find something you like about someone's outfit) but friends have told me it comes off a condescending. So now I just smile, say thank you, and walk on, but that feels bad too.
>>10401118Fuck, this shit gets me. I don't care about randos, but when friends and family say things it stings, even when they don't mean it too. But your "friend" sounds like a massive cunt, drop that bitch.
>>10405813thank you is the correct response to a compliment. don't overthink it.
>>10405724no, i genuinely wanna know why a whore would be attracted to a fashion that's about modesty and feminity. please enlighten me
>Hey, isn't it a bit weird for a straight guy to be wearing victorian girls' clothes?
>>10401118dont let it get you down; if they want to cut and mold you into a form that pleases them, they were never your friend in the first place
>>10405941anon, this is the lowest quality bait but I'm bored enough to bite. If I were a whore, at least I'd be getting paid. Alas, I'm just a woman who enjoys sex, much like most every other woman out there. Not that you'll ever know, you poor virginal soul. Enjoy your evening.
>>10405998other women enjoy sex within relationships because they're not mentally ill and/or full of daddy issues.
>>10405568He secretly wants to rape you in the back ally .
>>10395477how can i give some reddit gold
Some normie requested to take a picture of me with two police officers at a con a year ago. I was waiting for my Uber to pick me up and there were two police officers on motorcycles standing guard outside the con. Random dude waltzes up and asks if he can get a picture of the three of us together. So somewhere there exists a picture of a sweet lolita posing between two police officers and their motorcycle. By far the weirdest thing I’ve been asked to do in lolita
>>10396185People shouting across the street and such is always nice. Not lolita, but one time a wigger shouted said "Whaddap Moron?" to me just because I was wearing a tucked in button-up shirt.
>>10405724>Dress up in slutty clothes>Go to events to get attention>Post pictures online to get attention>Go out in public dressed slutty to get attentionCompared to>Dress up in fancy clothes>Go to events to get attention>Post pictures online to get attention>Go out in public dressed up to get attentionYeah, totally different things.
>>10395802If strangers ask for the name specifically (which does happen sometimes), I usually say the name of the brand I'm wearing.
My mom: I think all lolitas want attention
A boy I liked called me bimbo , I am a sweet lolita and I supose is becouse he saw me in church at easter wearing Happy Garden, I also wear decora and fairy kei inspired outfits allmost everyday, me and him are both on the spectrum. He said to me I am a bimbo who wants attention to gain stuff easy. (The word was not really bimbo but something similar in his language, we are not same nationality but I live in his country)
>>10409448Nyart but >dress up in fancy clothes>go to events to look at fancy clothes with other people in fancy clothes>"who are you supposed to be, Bo Peep?"or >Dress up in costume>go to event because it's fun>"You're a Slut! I showed you my penis, Please Respond"It's not cosplayers or lolitas having opinions and being shit. It's you, anon.
>>10409496My response was more of a meme than anything; no need to take it seriously. But wearing attire that is vastly different from the social norm is going to get you attention, even if you are at an event. It comes with the territory. You can't dress up and expect to not get attention.
>>10409481She is right and a smart woman
>>10409549Sure, you have to be fine with the attention it gets you, but it's not like getting attention has to be the goal. For a lot of us it's more of a negative to wearing the fashion than a positive. The first few times you go out and someone comes up to ask about lolita you're happy to answer them, but if you've been wearing the same style for years it gets more and more tiring.
>>10410477You can always tell when someone is either new or rarely wears lolita because they’re always the first ones to answer normies’ questions, often with a whole ass lecture.
>>10410788Lol I'm pretty sure most of us have had alcohol at least by high school.
>>10410504yea, they can't just be like "oh i'm not going somewhere, we just like to dress like this!"
>>10410796I'm not one of those annoyingly straightedge types but I guess since I never partied or anything and my mom was an alcoholic I just never had an urge to drink. Especially knowing the type of stuff guys do to drunk girls at parties.
>>10410788I didn't drink until 21 but that's very unusual in the USTons of high school kids are drinking
>>10395796but the point of sweet is to have those motifs
>>10395796Why should we?
Had someone tell me yesterday i fetishized asian people by wearing lolita and that it was cultural appropriation. LOL
>>10411546the only people who do that are rich white girls and asian americans usually male.
>>10411546>fetishizing all eastern asian people wearing japanese made 19th century west european clothing
>>10411546That literally makes no sense. Isn't the point of calling out cultural appropriation that one demographic is shamed for doing x whilst another is praised for doing x? Japanese lolitas aren't treated worse that regular western lolita (from my knowledge)
there was a time me and my friend were out in lolita running errands, we had gotten tea earlier that day and then we were just getting some groceries when on the way out of the self checkout one of the police officers there was like "You look so pretty, you both look like my daughter, I love that hairstyle" (We had our hair up in pigtails, and he seemed a little too into it), and so we were sort of hurrying out, when this lady behind us whipped out her phone and started (what i'm assuming is) recording and snapping photos. We were just walking in front of her and she kept following us, eventually saying "so are ya'll just gonna keep walking?" multiple times before literally grabbing my friends arm!! She turned around so quickly and yelled at her to not touch her, and then the woman tried to guilt us into taking photos but we were just like....... "no sorry" and literally ran out the door. People see people wearing lolita and dont know how to act...people get so entitled when it comes to photos sometimes
>>10411546Fun fact: most japanese people are really happy when westerners wear their traditional clothing
>>10396949Yellow line used to be my normal commute and seems to be nicest to me when I wear lolita. The Red line is full of dudebros and Silver is full of TurboKarens. Here's some comments I've gotten in lolita:"Are you Alice in Wonderland?"while wearing a beret at work "Are you French?""Nice maid costume!""What play are you in?"When visiting a historical site "Are you a reenactor? Do you work here?"and of course:"Nice cosplay, what anime are you from?"
>>10409481I hate getting attention from strangers, I wish everyone would just ignore me. I just like wearing the clothes.
>>10411567I literally told her that... Like even kimonos. Fuckin idiot.
>>10411551I know it hurt my brain so much... What a stretch.
>>10411554She wanted a reason to get me back bc i told her she should cut off her ugly white dreads.
>>10411633Same, honestlyThere are so many other things to be staring at. I'm just trying to eat a sandwich and see the museum
>>10411567This, Japanese people gave me tons of compliments every time I wore my dozing cat hakama cut jsk on vacation
You spent how much!!! (most often from people who frequently eat out/travel oddly enough )
>>10395872I call it "the japanese version of goths" because it's the only thing normies accept as an answer. They go "oooooh, goth, I understand now"
>>10411740is there an equivalent for sweet?
>>10411755"this is pink goth"
>>10395476>peeking bloomersgrandma was a slut
I was wearing my autumn coord (Beautiful outside,warm inside, you know) and an elder woman come to.me and started shaming me for not wearing warm things and that i would freeze my female parts
Someone asked me if I was going to church.
>>10411840Notto disu shitto again
>>10411755goth is the only alternative look normies are really familar with, they're dumb enough to believe that excuse for sweet too desu
>>10411647In all fairness, the Celts did dreads. But yeah, they uggo.
>>10411633Also same. People I don't know make me sort of nervous, so I too would rather just be ignored and left to my business. I just like pretty things and also wearing them.
>>10411633Big same,that's why i don't wear lolita as much. I'm on the spectrum and having to deal with strangers so much exhausts me,i wish i was transparent or some shit
>>10395382what does the lolita's sign say? "Free M-"
>>10411633i honestly like when people ask me about the clothes. i'm always worried they're judging me when they silently stare, but when they ask me about the clothes or compliment me it makes me feel much more at ease.
>>10395796I mean....lolita is heavily inspired by historical childrens' clothing. That doesn't mean we're suddenly fetishizing children. Clothes are just clothes. If it "looks like kids' clothes", who gives a shit?
>>10411840You’re obviously a copycat who saw the story from the old thread. Fuck off and stop trying to cause drama.
>>10413998It says hugs. She just used cutesy lettering
>>10414325That's what she wants you to think, she'll have your wallet the second you get near her
>>10414325i think it's supposed to be mugs. the punky girl is saying hugs because they're trying to be funny and subvert expectations in a dumb superficial way.
>>10414332Dunno if uploading will kill the image quality of pic related, but if you reverse google image search you can find a higher quality version, where you can clearly see it says hugs.
>>10414334Anon was totally right about some girls doing the weird chuuni gap personality crap though.
>>10414341Sure, I know girls do that, but these two weren’t
>>10406050anon is this you?
>>10414565Nah he's just a larper or at least a pick-me
Serious question: what do you guys say in response to "It's not Halloween!" It's one of the only common rude responses I get but I legitimately can't think of any short, effective way to reply to that.
>>10414646"i know :)"
>>10414646"I'm sorry you're retarded, do you need help finding your handler" can be used for pretty much anything
>>10414646"Is that your excuse for looking boring?"Alternately, just saying "Wow you're rude. Did you mother raise you like that?" and calling out rude behavior is usually what I do for most mean comments. It just makes them look and feel like a dickhead.
>>10414646Also acting over the top shocked. Saying "It ISN'T? WHAT? REALLY?" puts them in an awkward spot.
>>10414646A quick "So?".
>>10414646Depends on the day. It's either ignoring them, >>10414649 or "It's not April fools either, but you still exist"
>>10414646ignore. i'm too old to care
>>10414565>>10414608>being shocked or in disbelief that conservative traditional women are part of a conservative traditional fashionum
>>10414319This, plus a lot of what kids wore and what women wore bled into each other. Women would dress their kids up like little versions of adults, albeit with a few more frills.Lolita fashion is really such a mix -- you've got corsets and bustiers designed to emphasize adult body lines but you've also got loose and dreamy doll-like stuff. Anyway to conclude that the point is to fetishize children is so bizarre and off the mark. There was a time when sneakers and short pants were also only worn by children, and yet now adults everywhere wear them without being seen as fetishistic...
>>10414693>conservative traditional fashionYou should read more history, especially with regard to punk lolita, gothic lolita, and visual kei. There is a strong rebellious dimension to lolita especially in these forms.
>>10414694>Lolita fashion is really such a mix -- you've got corsets and bustiers designed to emphasize adult body lines but you've also got loose and dreamy doll-like stuff.This. Also, lolita is as much "based on historical clothing" as every other fancier dress with a more poofy silhouette. Contrary to what many lolitas claim, it looks neither like any specific decade of the victorian era, while the decorations are all over the place. Just saying it's historically inspired is better than claiming it's "based" on roccoco and victorian fashion and showing pictures that look nothing like that. It's a mix of a lot of ideas, more akin to bastardisation of european fashion as a whole, but that's normal considering it's literallly japanese view of the fashion. And I'm not saying that's something wrong. It makes for an interesting eclectic style, I just don't like people claiming it's something that it isn't.
>>10414696regardless of substyle, other than ero, it's still about modesty. it makes sense that people into a style about modesty would value traditional femininity
>>10414702This is such a false meme. While coords tend to be fairly covered-up, there is nothing conservative or modern about edgy gothic Mana clothes or super loud bright prints.
>>10414703*modest, bleh.Anyway, there's more to modesty and conservatism than just not showing skin yo.
>>10414701This is also a good point. It takes elements from rococo, victorian era, edwardian era, etc but also from the 50s, from ancient Japan, from everywhere! Look at wa/qi, or those super diner aesthetic AP dresses. There's so much going on there.
>>10414705either way i think you can agree lolita is not about sexual liberation or being sexual or anything like that. gyaru would be the fashion for that
>>10414723lolita isn't some prude personality type. they're just clothes. you LARPers are insufferable
>>10414727original lolita was political and had meaning, and still does to the japanese, but go off
>>10414737well not all of us are weebs trying to LARP as the Japanese. they're just clothes
>>10414745would you also say things like punk and goth are "just clothes"? because no
>>10414737>still does to the japaneseJapanese society isn't the same as American or European one. There isn't that much of a push for young women to get married, stay at home and raise children in western countries. While America also had a housewife culture, it wasn't as prevalent in 2000s, so you can't say westerners rebeled against the same thing Japanese girls did. My country hasn't even had a housewife culture for at least 70 years now. It may have political meaning, but it's not universal, and for sure it isn't modest. It's literally taking up as much space as you can and screaming that you are not normal and won't comform to societal rules, in these case being a pure and modest wife.
>>10414750Correct me if I'm wrong but I feel like the Japanese equivalent to looking housewifey would be to wear yukata/kimono?
>>10414748Goth absolutely is just clothes. Punk is political, but punk politics can be anything from neo-nazi to radfem to straightedge to heroin user. I'm a tradgoth that mixes punk and goth, and I wear lolita too. They're just clothes.
>>10414763Wasn't goth specifically related to the music scene until mall goth style came about? I always thought of mall goths as the precursor (as far as popularity in a "dark" aesthetic) to scene and emo stuff, and a bit different than straight up goth or its derivatives
>>10414763Goth is a music scene though. It's not political but there's more to it than clothes.
>>10414766I feel like lolita and Japanese alt fashion is super separate from a lot of alt fashion (besides visual kei I guess) because many things were never tied to a musical or political scene specifically. Even though they all have the context of still being rebellious in their femininity and the sorts of behavior like not getting married, working as hostesses or enjou kosai (for both gyaru and actual schoolgirls, not sure if I spelled that right), and drawing a lot of attention to oneself with their appearance in a way that stands out
>>10414763can someone explain to me how designer brands can be punk? I can only imagine a rich person with an expensive-ass vw purse getting mugged by drop-outs with safety-pin home piercings.
>>10414766>>10414765Lots of goths don't necessarily listen to goth music, especially these days. A bunch of them are just "witches" or some shit and want to wear dark clothing.>>10414777VW started by making cheap clothes for those people. Only afterward did she become famous and did her prices rise. Her style and audience has since changed massively.
>>10414786 >Be nuwitch>Wear cheap plastic-fiber clothing>Steal communion crackers and burn them in a park>???>My goddess is pleasedNothing to do with what you're talking about, but it gives me a hearty chuckle everytime I think about this one "witch" I knew and how this became the "witch" aesthetic
>>10406050>thinking sex and love are the same thingGross
>>10414786Can someone clarify to me what goth music actually is? For the longest time I thought it was industrial music and other difficult things I do not care for but apparently it's actually The Cure and other new wave bands, which are widely liked and not very niche at all. I listen to The Cure and wear black -- have I been goth this whole time without knowing?
>>10415422Goth is an umbrella term now. Also it's a meme that the cure sold out and became normie, so it depends on which albums you listen to. Industrial is like a bastard child that like half of the community hates but the other half loves it, it's also popular now so I understand the confusion. There's rock stuff, metal, more symphonic and folk stuff and a lot of electronic music. I'd say your best call is to look for set-lists of gothic festivals. This list is also pretty good, but it doesn't have a lot of smaller local bands.> I'd say your best call is to look for set-lists of gothic festivals.
>>10415432I fucked up the link to the list, It's supposed to be>http://www.itsblackfriday.com/p/blog-page.htmlAlso, I know people who wear all black and listen to gothic music but prefer not to call themselves goth.
>>10415432Exactly this. There's shit like cyber goths/rave goths so it's not exclusively tied to music like The Cure or whatever and hasn't been for a while. It's just clothing.
>>10414646"yeah it is"
>>10415459>It's just clothing.I never said that tho. The view of goth subculture from normie and lolita standpoint is distorted and influenced a lot buy people using goth aesthetic, gothic lolita being just a style with no real connection to the music and normie artists riding on the popularity of nugoth, but if you actually go to gothic groups and forums, you see that these people are either not counted as part of the subculture if they don't claim to be, or looked down upon similiar way we do at clueless itas and lolitas at heart. If it wasn't about the music anymore there wouldn't be clubs and festivals, goth would have meet-ups similiar to teaparties. It's more diverse now than in the 80s and 90s, but it's still very much about music.
>>10396715>>10396726>>10396577>>10396562>tfw no lolitas at my car shows
>>10415479I don't mean "it's just clothing" in the sense that it has absolutely NO ties to other cultural things like music. Its history obviously does, but it isn't essential at all and it wouldn't be shocking to find out that a goth woman dressed in black because she was a tumblr thot who was into a witch aesthetic or whatever. I know a lot of teens who dressed goth just to rebel. Maybe some autists who are on goth forums would freak out, but most goths generally realize that goths are not expected to behave a set way and have the same set of morals on any particular subject. This discussion started because an anon was saying that people who are lolita should all be sexually modest, but just like with goths and punks, it's impossible to paint an entire style of people with the same life choices and is a stupid thing to expect. Not all people are attracted to fashion styles for the exact same reasons.
>>10415479the term goth doesn't apply only to one subculture.
>>10415516So you claim that there is another subculture, also called goth but who dont listen to the goth music?
>>10415519yes. the term goth does just apply to more than western goth. japan uses it in more contexts than just egl or gothic lolita even. you sound like that autistic anon who doesn't get that the term gothic means something outside of the 80s subculture and that fashions and such can be inspired by but not be western goth.
>>10415519i'd like to introduce you to this thing called "elegant gothic lolita" which is a gothic subculture
>>10415534egl, ega. hell, japan has it's own form of goth. even the various forms of goth in the west aren't all directly related.
Since we are at the goth discussion, would malice mizer be considered goth? I know it’s visual kei, but couldn’t it be more than one thing at once?
>>10415531Goth and gothic are different things
>>10415567what a reach lmao.
>>10415164sorry your daddy didn't love you
>>10415578>>10415531>>10415516>>10415459>>10415432https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPhT527NL0shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pyzkpPQdXgeducate yourself, fuckin larpers
>>10415610no one here is larping, fuck off back to /mu/. if goth is so different than gothic what's you're problem?
>>10415609>>10406050>>10405941>>10405724Stop replying to this obvious bait
>>10414646"It's not? Then why are you being a clown?" or >>10414673 if I'm feeling cheeky, but usually, it doesn't deserve a proper response so I just shrug or say "so what?"
>>10414646I honestly just don't respond at all. There's nothing more hilarious than when someone makes a snide comment, but I just ignore them and don't even look at them. At first they stand there expectantly with a smug grin, until they realize everyone else around heard what they said and is staring at them. Then they normally just shuffle away in awkward silence.If they're especially flustered, they might insult me on the way out, but that normally just doubles-down on the "weird person walked up to a stranger and insulted them" perspective of the staring bystanders.These types of people are swayed by public opinion (hence why they're insulting you for standing out in the first place) so a good dose of being the one to be gawked at is enough to shame them without having to actually say anything at all.
>>10405581>what the fuck is going on in that pictureI too would like to know this
10415609This is pol tier shit.
>wear casual gothic lolita on a semi-daily basis>only ever get positive comments if anything>normie best friend doesn't want to go out for drinks/shopping with me if I'm wearing a lolita coord because she doesn't want to get stared atI'm fine with dressing down when I see her but still feels kinda bad man
>>10428710your friend sounds lame
>>10406050this desusluts are the worst
>>10429232You're the worst. What would you do if you were dating someone who didn't want sex? Rape them? Stop loving them and break up with them? At least a slut can just fuck strangers as long as they have permission.
>>10429232fuck off and die scrote
>>10429234>>10429235I'm a girl in a happy committed relationship, but keep coping and enjoy the STDs x
>>10429240First person you responded to, and I'm a virgin and not even interested in having sex with strangers. I'm also not interested in having sex with my partner. I just don't think sex and love HAVE to be connected.
>>10429240You have male-brained thinking. You aren't welcome on /cgl/.
>>10405941This same question was askes in another thread. Same answer; regardless of being a slut she is still a person with interests outside of sex. Some whores want to take a break and just be pretty and cute, it's not that hard to understand.
>>10429260Also most of the time people who only have sex in relationships have wayyy more sex than “sluts” do and value it much more
>>10429262What does that have to do with having an interest in lolita fashion?
>>10429265lolitas hook up with each other and have lots of sex ;)
>>10429265It doesn’t, that’s my point. It makes just as much sense for a slut to be a lolita as it does for someone who only has sex in a relationship to.
>>10429254This.>>10429240You don't seem to know much about STDs. Shut up, mega tard. You're just a pick-me.
>>10429262there is a huge difference between having sex with one person who is committed to you and having sex with a bunch of random dudes who are not committed to you
>>10429610Not really, you're still a whore