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Artist Alley “we let the other thread die, so I don’t know how to get the normal copypasta to paste it here” edition.

How are you guys faring so far with the cancellations? Do you have a back up plan or are you starting to panic?
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>wut r archives
fuck off newfag
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>>10379392
Okay but someone had to step up to the plate. You post the links then
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>>10379409
Newfags who can't even look up the archive after threads get deleted don't need to. AA is fucking dead rn anyways.
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>>10379409

You know the board can last a day without this thread right? I checked this board a couple hours ago and the old one was still up. You could have waited more than five minutes for someone more knowledgeable than you to make it.
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old bread >>10351417

>Please read the FAQ before posting in the thread (always updating)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PpDyjw2LDxbupdvHMNsBUOBVB66Lzwf44RM1You1GDA/edit?usp=sharing
>Resources
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10uNmynwRn6CRc-OMqCeXmJwCNnEnd-vYi-7AQzSx74I/edit?usp=sharing
>Artist Spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ESQ-1h4IRUivbGNaxJFxXyDU1lSv26xTmMdH0sDX7sU/edit?usp=sharing
>How to order from Vograce (now with video on how to set up files)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18UxKnpgrmeb82NnW5e4YIEX-eZ3zHt178Mp6i0A5gME/edit?usp=sharing
>Convention List (always WIP)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13o7hD5xS3sDqVptnTVGUlRae3ovEE-vPPST_QOrQwtM/
>IP taketowns (based on artists contribution, may or may not have been a one time thing, use as a guideline)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1696MDhNPhrZ0ySZhXkoJnGxb7l1OjW4JsVhu1wKvaWE
>AA Inspo (thanks anon!)
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1D19QV9nHwaY8AaNiEXZAAkEhkBTSsb01?usp=sharing

Here’s the info. No need to squabble, gulls.
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>>10379392
>>10379412
>>10379413
Wow cunts
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things that aged poorly
that retard anon from last thread
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Today I was browsing on Etsy for some stickers and I found that almost all of them were....pretty underpriced, at least compared to what I know. Typically I'd charge no less than $2 for a sticker 2-2.5", but I saw a lot that were $2 or less yet much bigger, or a whole pack of stickers for $4, etc. Am I wrong about sticker prices? When you take into account the fees associated with Etsy as well...I really wonder what kind of profit those artists are making.

What are you sticker prices like?

Also, when shipping stickers, do you ship tracked or just in a plain, stamped envelope? I'm reluctant to charge $4 for a single sticker with tracking, but I also am not sure I want to risk regular untracked letter mail (not that the loss would be very big, but...).
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>>10380973
they could be getting them mass produced. i don't do a lot of stickers so your pricing is about the same as me, but if you sell a lot of them you can probably get more made at once and pass the savings on. as for shipping you can ship in a padded envelope for 2 something usually.
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I just bought this button maker secondhand, where is a good place to get parts? I have 1.5 if it matters. does it matter what kind i use?
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>>10381067
What country are you in, anon? If that's the brand I'm thinking it is, look for "tecre" button parts. Unfortunately, some dealers of them are closed right now due to Corona-chan.
www.tecre.com (they only sell in big quantities, but the price per piece is the best if you want to go that route. you can also get paper punches from them)
www.buttonboyinc.com (USA but closed due to corona. I've had good personal experience with them so I'm still recommending them)
peoplepowerpress.org (Canadian, they may still be shipping)
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>>10380973
I just got some 2 inch round stickers made for 20 cents each. I just toss them in free for any orders. Mailing as a flat I think gives you tracking and only costs around $1
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>>10381102 >>10380977

That's true. Maybe I'm just greedy for profit, haha I'm just thinking about the probably ~$0.30+ in Etsy fees, then the shipping supply fees, and was just wondering if making that was even worth the effort. Especially if you're doing a small run of vinyl it can really eat into the profits. Then again, maybe people aren't just buying a single sticker so it all works out. I also throw in stickers for free, but mine are homemade w/ non-vinyl sticker paper and I don't sell them by themselves.

Thanks for the info about the flats. It looks like there's an option to add extra services to regular letter mail too, but I have to search more.
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Has anyone run into problems (besides delays) receiving their merch from overseas ? e.g. vograce, zap
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>>10381660
What other problems than manu/shipping delays do you expect? Getting held up at customs?
I've encountered the predictable manu delays, but then again there's no con I'm in a rush for anymore either.
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>>10381180
There are also artists who price at production for preorders. It's rare, but it happens when they're doing it purely as a hobby/for fun and not making a living off only sticker sales.
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>>10381810
Yes, maybe customs, or packages getting sent back. I ordered something from Japan and China recently (actually in March, so a while ago) both with express/relatively fast shipping and both have had issues (I haven't received either of them yet), so I wonder if it's even worth it for me to place a charm order right now with all the risk.
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Artist Alley applications are open for Anime NYC 2020 until July 10, 2020. There are approximately 414 tables available including Premium (less than last year, I think?). Location is new in Hall 3A.

http://animenyc.com/artistalley2020/
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>>10381992
Applied, but lets face it, it's not going to happen.
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I’m new to making charms, I know I have to assemble them myself in most scenarios, my question is which tool do I need? I have jumprings/key rings/etc. ready but not sure what plier type is good since I keep seeing different ones (one with flat ends, one with pointed ends, one with rounded ends?) if anyone can help it would be super appreciated
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>>10382098
Opt for ones with flat ends and no teeth on the inner part (you won't see this much in tools made forjewelry). Chain, flat, bent are great for jump rings.

I personally like using two pliers to open my jump rings and not distort them, but there is also a type of ring finger tool that looks like a ring with different sized bars. You can also use those to open jump rings if you'd like.

If you're working with split rings for keyrings and depending on how you plan on attaching them, you may want to invest in a pair of split ring pliers. If you're just attaching the charm to the keyring itself with a plain jump ring, it might not be necessary. They're not pictured on this chart, but one part of the nose is bent inward to open a gap in your ring. Hope that helps.
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Suck my ass Etsy. I literally don’t know if those 6 orders actually came from their ads, for all I know they could be pulling this number out of their ass.
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>>10382098
2 pairs of round nose pliers, since they wont dent your jump rings.
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Otakon is cancelled... it looks like all big cons will be cancelled this year unless it's in late fall/early winter. https://twitter.com/Otakon/status/1254757677735063553
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>>10382426
yea, I moved over to shopify because of it. Still have my etsy, but not gonna update my etsy much any more.
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>>10382466
>>10382194
Thank you both! I had no idea there were so many kinds of pliers until now
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Does anyone have advice on how to not get canceled for being problematic? I've recently learned that shipping with a 3 year age gap is 'problematic' and now I'm nervous as hell that I'm going to be arrested for shipping crimes. I'm thinking of switching to either no ships at all just to avoid the crowd or focusing on male targeted series (idk if male customers spend more or less then female customers)?
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>>10382986
Well, are these characters legal? Cus like the 3 year gap thing is really an issue for teens. A 20yo is lot more than a 17 yo. And 18 vs 15 is a no. Yes, I know these happen IRL. However the age range is really developmentally is really different.
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>>10382986
no, just ignore people who do shit like that. once you start worrying about that shit then you have to worry about literally everythng for all of your art. cancel culture doesn't work anyway and generally nets people more interest.
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>>10382986
why would you worry about getting canceled? Unless you actually do something bad, then all it means is your shop gets more views, which is good.
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>>10382986
Don't worry about it. The people who will attack you for being problematic aren't the same people who will spend loads on their OTPs. For the most part, there are so many problematic ships in the world that it's unlikely your reputation will be affected for any longer than like a week (unless something goes viral, then screencap everything and post a collage as "receipts of threats from strangers")
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if I draw sexy trap pinups, could I make decent money at these kind of artist alley conventions?
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>>10383093
It depends. If it's furry traps and you're at an anthro con, you could make a killing. Anime trap pinups might be better off for Patreon unless it's some FOTM trap.
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>>10382986
a 3 year age gap is barely anything to worry about. usually only deemed 'problematic' by those who are ~problematique~. dw about it. don't submit to these tweeny babies who have nothing better to do than attack people over fucking fictional anime ships.
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>>10382986
If you're a cis man you will never get canceled. If you're anything else then someone is going to come at you for something and you should just make things you enjoy and ignore shit when it happens. People who make callouts like attention and it will only make them come harder if you give them anything.

The most dangerous thing that can ACTUALLY happen is doxxing, so keep your irl info separate from "problematic" content unless you want some greasy kid to call your employer one day and try to get you fired.
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>>10382986
Yeah, I think the most you’d have to worry about is getting your twitter account mass reported and take down. Doesn’t really happen often though. Don’t engage with crazies and block them immediately. Most of them are bored and are just looking for a fight.
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>>10383160
stop.
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>>10383187
Stop what? Only telling the truth.
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>>10383204
yes because everyone knows that insane tumblr stans who try to cancel people looooove cis men!
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>>10383206
Antis almost never go after cis men and if they do then the men are never actually affected by it. When bro dudes get a whiff of some anti going after a guy over loli or something suddenly there are 8000 accounts threatening the anti with rape. That's why antis target women more than anything, because it's "safe" to harass them, unlike men.
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>>10383213
Also every time I've seen a guy get "canceled" he ALWAYS pops up 4-6 months later with another job opportunity, if he ever goes anywhere at all.
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>>10383215
Are you new? No one has every actually gotten "cancelled".
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>>10383219
If someone leaves their circles entirely and no longer exists in any public or online space for fear of repercussions, that's canceling. It happens frequently, though it's usually to small or medium popularity people online, since people with larger followings have more support. I'm in multiple creative social circles and people up and vanish over harassment like this all the time. It becomes a choice over continuing to draw some dumb porn on the internet or potentially having your employers and colleagues and everyone you know find out about your dumb porn because some kids decided you were problematic.
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>>10383226
it really doesn't happen. At all.
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Is anyone still printing stickers during corona? Looks like sticker mule is holding off non-priority
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Anyone from Mexico here?
I'm making a doujinshi but other than sharing it in the internet with fellow degenerates I'm also interested in printing my own copies and selling a few at a con, what I'm worried about is the monetary loss, since I don't really expect any profit, how many copies should I print? Do people in cons really care about doujin content? What cons should I keep in mind? I know about TNT already but afaik, that one sucks, is expensive and is just a bunch of e-celebs events.
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If there are any aa staff/judges here: Do you know if most juries preview portfolio submissions as they're submitted, or do they generally wait until the end of the application period?

>>10383233
Just ordered some from catprint
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>>10383219
Didn't that Twitch streamer Kun0 that called another artist autistic get majorly cancelled? Except he's still chugging along apparently so I guess everyone forgot
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>>10383074
This. People were threatening to cancel over Detroit:BH merch when it first came out, but it’s actually some of my best selling products. Generally speaking, there are some very vocal supporters, but there are also a lot of silent supporters who like my ‘problematic’ stuff but don’t dare voice it publicly out fear of being witch hunted. It’s really sad to see, honestly. People should just stay in their own lane when it comes to fictional stuff.
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>>10383298
had no idea they did stickers, thanks
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>>10383298
Depends on the team, but in most cases it's at the end. When they're reviewing while submitted, they're probably doing rolling submissions
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>>10383345
Seconding. I remember for YoI some people were cancelling Otayuri because Yurio is a minor (also, believed to be a 3 year age gap because some sources said Otabek was 19). Jokes on them, Otayuri was the second best selling ship and I still see people with itabags for it. People will just one day learn that 2D != 3D
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>>10383381
>People will just one day learn that 2D != 3D
God this needs to happen soon, purity culture needs to fucking go
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>>10383233
sticker ninja's still working but their staff is down to the founders only so they're kinda slow
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Hi! I am looking for advice. I am applying for my first zine but was wondering about zine etiquette. What is the etiquette on selling your finished zine piece on your own? For example as a print in AA after all zine orders are finished. Or is that generally looked down upon? Sorry if this is a dumb question. But in case I am very proud of my piece I think I would like to showcase it more. I will also ask the organizers but was wondering if there are unspoken rules in the zine community that I should keep in mind if I get in or apply to more zines. In case it makes a difference, the zine I am applying for is a for profit zine.
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>>10383306
lmao he got a slap on the wrist and let go

the worst i saw was a group of catty women stand nearby his table at a con and yell out passive aggressive things. not even directly too him, just to the air, hoping he would hear. yeah he's an asshole, but that was big cringe.
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>>10383438
Almost all zines will gladly let you print and sell your piece on your own after the zine is finished. In fact, if the zine mods actively say you can’t print your piece separately outside the zine project then that’s a huge red flag.

About unspoken zine rules, just be thorough on application guidelines. Make sure you have a clean portfolio link that only contains the works you want to show, and now some generic twitter profile that includes your random text posts. It could just be a google drive link, just be sure the link works. If the zine is NSFW, don’t put it in your portfolio.
Less is also more, I advice to keep a small portfolio of 5 great pieces rather than 10 works of very varying quality. Tailor your application portfolio to show the style and quality you want to do for the zine.
Also apps will usually ask for your social media accounts, usually just to check that you’re an artist or legit or whatever. Some mods will also emphasize that they check it for “purity” purposes, in that if you have a bad name in the fandom or say/ship problematic stuff they might not want you. But as long as you have a separate art account from shitposts and don’t draw underage porn or something I don’t think this will ever be an issue. If the mod and app seem very anal on what people they will accept and judges by some moral policy, then that’s a red flag in itself anyway.
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>>10383233
Stickerapp is running at full capacity, according to their site banner. Located in Sweden tho.
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Has anyone had issues with their buttons eventually developing dirt/rust/mold on the inside? I store my buttons in a craft organizer but I think me living in a more humid climate might have something to do with it. I'm thinking of not making buttons anymore anyway since they've largely fallen out of favor.
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>>10383682
I'm not sure if any of mine have rusted, but a few I bought from someone else in 2016 developed rust in them. I live in a dry climate and in an even drier house, so I'm not sure how that happened.
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>>10379390
How you you get customers and etc online just starting out?

I'm not sure weather to open up an Insta and Twitter and just start posting chibis and stuff that I will be making potentially into keychains and stickers in the future and hope to gather a following that way, or whether I should post designs and sometimes fanart in hopes of promoting my things I want to sell, or if I should just wait until next year whenever cons are open again and just roll up with a bunch of keychains and stickers and start from there.
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>>10383693
do both of those things. people will buy directly off of IG and twitter most of the time so it will up your site traffic.
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>>10380973
Back with my sticker mailing q's. Anybody know if small rigid mailers can classify as non-machineable letters/have mailed them that way before? I'm getting so many different answers on forums. Thinking of going with letter rate so I can keep costs down for customers (and turns out etsy has trackable letters, so that's great) but I'd like to protect the product as much as possible.
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>>10383696
Okay! So just posting chibi designs and cute things is good enough?
And I'm guessing I just hashtag the shit out of them


Also on another note my non-merch fanart is entirely different from my stuff I make for keychains/stickers/clothes.
Think like super Peropero Sparkles-type merch style, but then kind of sexy anime people with pantyshots and stuff and sometimes boobs out.
Not sure what to do, I think my normal anime art would push away people from my merch if they are associated with eachother but I love both. Do I have to pick one to pursue or should I make completely seperate accounts?
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>>10383727
In my unqualified opinion, they should be separate so that people can feel comfortable giving you a shout-out with a family-friendly link and you can get kids' money. But I wouldn't sweat over it like it's your huge secret either. Treat it as two brands, like a movie studio that owns both PG and R movie franchises.
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>>10383727
Maybe you’ll have better luck than me, but I find it really difficult to get attention on twitter. Way harder to build an audience than other sites like insta or tumblr. Does anyone have any tips for twitter?
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>>10383794
I don't have an insta so I have no experience there, but I also have much more traction on tumblr than twitter. But the sites are different. You can just tag your art and let it be on tumblr, and search engines and other people's dashboards will at least be chronological, so if your art is good it will spread.
On twitter you need to be active and engage for your posts to appear on other people's feed, so you basically need to engage a lot more. Follow people, retweet artists, engage with others who will engage back with you.

I found it to be too much of a chore so I'm just inactive in general. I can throw art on tumblr after months of silence and still get decent feedback, while it goes ignored on twitter. Tumblr also has a better system for tags and searching, while twitter isn't really made for you to spam 5+ tags.
How is Instagram though? Is it enough to tag appropriately or are you also dependent on being a frequent poster?
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>>10383794
I've talked about this before but your Twitter success is really dependent on your activity. I was super confused when I moved over from Tumblr too, but I quickly found out that actively engaging other artists helps drives traffic to you. Follow other artists (your friends, people you meet at cons) and comment on their work - they'll more than likely return the favor and engage with your work which will bump your stuff up since if someone engages with your content, it'll show up on their followers' feed as well.

Twitter also has their own art hashtags for certain events like #artvsartist, #visiblewomen, #portfolioday, etc etc. There's been a recent color-themed thing going around too like #blueart. Those trending hashtags tend to bring in more engagement than just regular tagging like on IG and Tumblr. Although Twitter's tagging system isn't as robust, it does help to tag your stuff with the title of the fandom like #ACNH - especially when Twitter gives some of the new releases (games, movies, etc) their own special emojis if you use the tag.

tl;dr - I've found that Twitter's returns are greater if you're actively engaging other artists and fans instead of just posting art into the void.
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>>10383773
>But I wouldn't sweat over it like it's your huge secret either. Treat it as two brands
That is a great idea, I have really been wondering how to handle it and that sounds perfect so thank you
>>10383795
I didn't know Tumblr was doing so well still and forgot to consider it an option, thanks for the insight on what works and doesn't
>>10384200
> Follow other artists (...) comment on their work - they'll more than likely return the favor and engage with your work which will bump your stuff
Somehow the idea of this actually was not coming to me to just do this consistantly
How much should I engage with artists beyond that? I am autistic and an awful messaging and wouldn't want people to think I am a dick or be offended if they DM me and I am not too keen on responding

>#artvsartist, #visiblewomen, #portfolioday, etc
I wasn't sure how much attention this actually brought to posts and didn't consider participating. I will try giving these things a shot
Thanks for the advice!
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I've seen an explosion in orders ever since the stimulus checks went out in the US. My shop went in free fall last month, so its a nice change. What about you gulls?
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>>10384309
So Twitter has a thing where, if you follow someone and they like or comment on something, that content will show up on your dash even if you don't follow OP. This is what you want to take advantage of. I don't really use Twitter DMs unless it's a customer specifically reaching out with a question about their order.

If you have art friends on Twitter, consider a comment/RT pod where you all help boost each other's new art tweets. For total strangers you don't know, it's more on a common courtesy basis - if you like and retweet your mutuals' art, they'll likely like and retweet yours as well. Obviously, that doesn't hold up 100% of the time, but building real connections with your fellow artists tends to have a general net positive. Using specific phrasing to encourage people to RT your preorder/store posts also helps like "RTs appreciated". You can also try doing giveaways for a particular fandom and have one of the requirements be "must be following my account". And don't forget, you can retweet your own work on Twitter. Don't be shy about doing this - what's important is to get your work out there in front of as many eyes as possible.

Things to avoid doing: DMing "popular" artists you don't know and asking them to boost your work, tagging "popular" artists in your work when they have nothing to do with it, trying to befriend people solely for the engagement.
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I’m losing followers like crazy on Instagram. I have a bigger account 15k+ and every day I’m just losing like 20 followers, even though I’m not posting anything at all? It’s really weird and not making any sense at all. I would think maybe it’s because engagement is going up because everyone’s at home now, but I’m not getting more visibility with my posts or anything (which would make more people see me and be like “hey I don’t want to follow them anymore”) ?
Anyone facing anything similar as of late? It started about two weeks ago, and every day it’s more and more people.
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>>10384905
Did you ever use the promote feature on instagram/fb? You could be losing bots if that's the case.
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>>10384933
I do every now and then, but haven’t done so recently. Should I be promoting more often?
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>>10384976
no bro that just sounds like promoting doesnt do much for u bc bots r following LOL
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These online artist alleys are working out more than I thought they would in terms of attendee engagement/sales. I hope more cons would do them.
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Does anyone have experience with custom 3D butt/titty mouse pads? I have an idea for one and I'm currently researching where I can best get them printed. Any recommendations would be super helpful!
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>>10385737
No one is going to give you their sources. Check Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr for group orders or make friends that do them.
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>>10385792
>No one is going to give you their sources.
bitch this isn't deviantart.
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>>10385737
People have asked in these threads a dozen times and everyone who has a reliable source refuses to share. It's a meme at this point.
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any advice for upping my social media presence? i mostly posted finished stuff to tumblr before but i want to get more foot traffic on twitter/IG.
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>>10383017
You’re part of the problem. When I was being a weeb at thirteen no nigger cared about fucking age gaps, we just shipped and now people politicize the fuck out of it because of retarded faghags like you want to equate fiction with reality.
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>>10385795
wtf does this have to do with Deviantart? Genuine question.

>>10385737
Don't know them from individual exp but my dayjob worked with Shantou Bocho Gifts for reg mousepads and they had good colors and a low defect rate. Knock yourself out
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>>10385855
post moar
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>>10385737
Try joining a group order for them. Lower MOQ and shipping. The pads are pretty fucking heavy and when I was getting quotes for a personal order, shipping was stupid high
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anyone else extremely judgmental towards people buying your stuff?
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>>10386143
What the hell are you even making for you to feel like that? Furry fetish commissions?
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>>10386150
god no. that's why i'm so judgmental. my stuff isn't even vaguely sexual but creeps and fujoshits always act like i've drawn their OTP getting it on sometimes.
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>>10383715
Thanks for pointing out etsy now has trackable letters! I typically just send them in an envelope with a stamp, but washitape them against my business card to prevent them from getting bent.

In my experience, as long as the rigid mailer is thinner than 1/4" of an inch, it should pass through the rollers with no issue if they're postcard sized, but if they're any bigger it may be safer to just send them as a flat.
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>>10386162
What are you even selling? I'm assuming from your post you don't sell any ship art/merch?
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>>10386162
>fujoshits
Teenager spotted.
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>>10386162
creeps always gonna creep but really it just sounds like you're judging people for being excited about your work?
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>>10386162
If you have a lot of customers there's always going to be a few that are overly excited and invested in a character/ship to the point of cringyness, but that should hardly be enough be people to judge your entire customer base. If a majority of your customers really are creeps then you need to re-evaluate your art because it might be more suggestive than you think it is.

And if you're judging everyone buying your stuff based on a few outliers then you need to re-evaluate yourself and your attitude.
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>>10386162
Would you prefer that people not buy your stuff, then?
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Has anyone in here been in zines before? I want to apply to some but I'm kind of confused: if I enter one, can I sell the zine afterward (I've seen people selling some in AA before but it seems like a frowned upon practice?) Where is the best account to look for good zines (a lot of the ones I see haven't updated in years)?
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>>10386727
>but it seems like a frowned upon practice?
Absolutely not, if anyone is giving you the impression you cannot sell a zine then don't work with them. You spent time on the art for it and they most likely did not pay you, selling it is how you get paid for it.

Look, everyone who does zines has a ton of bad experiences. Occasionally there are good ones, and as long as the book actually comes out then at least you have something to show for it, but 99% of zines are run by people who have no idea what they're doing. There is no single set of rules for all zines. They will all have different rules and varying levels of professionalism. To get the best experience you have to go in knowing exactly what you want out of it and setting that out for them if they aren't clear. If you want to sell the books you have to make sure they are actually including copies for artists in their budget, or will allow you to buy copies at print cost, and are not planning to send you only one copy for the cost of your art. Make sure you know where the money is going. Make sure they know how much they really need to print and ship books. If they kickstart and take a bunch of people's money, and then start pushing back deadlines, that's a huge red flag that they didn't prepare properly. If they don't have their shit together during the preparation stage, then you might be better off bailing. I've been in zines that got all the way up to the point of kickstarting, with all of the artwork done, and the leads just ghosted because they got overwhelmed. These are mostly amateur projects and most of the time you should not feel intimidated at all by them.

There is no good single account to find zines either. I used to be in a lot of zines, so I would get invites to be in other zines, but after I stopped doing so many, I really only heard about them after they had already collected all their artists. Just follow lots of people.
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>>10386727
>can I sell the zine afterward
Depends on what the specific zine guidelines say, but usually no. When the zine scene was smaller, some zine organizers would even encourage people to buy extras and sell at cons to drive down the unit cost, but nowadays the etiquette is to not let individual artists sell a zine that mostly contains artwork that isn't your own.
You're free to sell the artwork you made as prints though.

>Where is the best account to look for good zines
There is (unfortunately) no filter for "good" zines, so you just have to judge the professionalism of the project for yourself based on the project account and the mods.
Some active accounts that still seems to keep up with current projects.are fandomzines@tumblr and zine_apps@twitter.
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>>10386732
>but usually no. When the zine scene was smaller, some zine organizers would even encourage people to buy extras and sell at cons to drive down the unit cost, but nowadays the etiquette is to not let individual artists sell a zine that mostly contains artwork that isn't your own.
Previous commenter here, as a person who used to do a lot of zines 6-7 years ago, this fucking sucks. Do most zines pay people now?
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>>10386735
>Do most zines pay people now?
lmao no, a lot of zines nowadays are charity zines and yet many barely break even. It gets worse for each year because the quality check of zines has gone down. As you said, 99% of people running zines have no clue what they're doing, and the result is a large number of projects crashing, zine reputation going down, and fewer buyers in general.

When I say "used to be smaller" I only mean like 3 years ago, which was a period where I started doing lots of zines. I noticed that 1-2 years ago etiquette changed, because individual artists started to protest against the zine being sold outside the project by other individual artists on cons. This is depends on the project though, and as late as last year I was in a project with a small number of artists where we were encouraged to get extras for ourselves to sell and everyone was happy with that.

I've had many good zine experiences but bad ones too, and in the end I got kinda burnt out on them. The last few zines I've been in has been pretty good though, some organizers are really passionate and pretty professional and we made better profit than I expected.
I'm still in a few projects but I'm a loooot more pickier about what I apply to now, and professionalism has become more important than how much I like the theme.
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>>10386744
>because individual artists started to protest against the zine being sold outside the project by other individual artists on cons
That sucks so much, I'm so glad I got out when I did. These people just shouldn't even be joining zines, why join a GROUP project if they don't want to be associated with other people in the group by allowing them to sell a product BOTH of them worked on. Plus that puts all of the pressure to make sales back on the original organizer, restricts distribution of the project, and means participating artists have even less control if the project starts to fail.
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>>10386750
I agree, to me it just sounds like people on high horses not wanting others to profit off a zine they contributed 1 out of 40 artworks for. I just wish zines would have it in the application guidelines so people knew they would have to agree to this if they wanted to join.

I'm also pretty much done with zines but I'm very glad I got the experience with a bunch of successful projects. The project deadlines is what motivated me to make more polished prints and design merch, enough to have a portfolio for doing AAs.
In general though, don't join zines expecting to make money. Only join if the project seems fun and professional enough to make it to the book.
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>>10384411
The exact same. Almost no orders when the lockdown began, and then Christmas-tier sales when the stimulus money started going out.
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>>10385795
>bitch this isn't deviantart
What does that even mean
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If you didn't get into X con this year, you're shit out of luck until 2022. Most cons are letting their artists rollover to 2021 and I doubt many will let go of their spots for bigger cons like AX. What are your plans?
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>>10387247
I'm kind of sad about AX, next year would have been my 4th time trying, but gotta wait for whole nother year....Wonder if I'll ever fulfill this dream before I'm 30 lmao.

They'll probably roll over, otherwise the artists are guaranteed to riot lol. I won't lie and say I wouldn't be secretly at least a little happy to get a sliver of a chance for next year (lol, the grasp they have on us), but if I were in an artist's position this year I'd be PISSED if they didn't roll over.
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>>10387247
>>10387386
ive actually seen a number of people refund bc they need the money now. so there is still a chance probably but slimmer than normal.
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>>10387247
It sucks, but it would have also sucked to get in only to find out you'll need to try again with everyone else next year, so I get where they're coming from.
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>>10383463
I just found out about them yesterday. Have you ordered stickers from them, hows the quality?
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>>10387909
decent? just order a sample pack from them to check quality
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>>10387909
Haven't used them before, but a friend has, and they're pretty good quality from what I've seen. They're usually recommended alongside or as an alternative to stickermule. Also, from the looks of it, their holo quality is miles above SM. They just don't seem to have big deals and sales as often as SM does.
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Where do you get different shapes of plastic keychains printed?
I seem to be having trouble finding any online that are not either rubber or in fixed-shapes.

Also wondering, how many should you order of any single character?
Thanks for any help
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>>10388231
I know everyone starts somewhere but holy shit. There's no way you even own any of these if you don't understand how they're made even a tiny bit. Fucking buy a couple before trying to make them yourself.
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>>10388250
I think I found a site, searching through the archives I found Volgrace and it seems good
I do own other keychains, I was just posting an example of custom shapes... I only had ever sold shirts before.

Still though, how many of any one character do people usually print? Like if I wanted to make a 6 character set would I buy 20 of each character?
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>>10388254
>searching through the archives
Next time, do this before asking a question.

No one can tell you the "right" amount to make of something. The person next to you could print the exact same amount of the same character and sell out while you don't sell a single one.

Please consider lurking more and try posting again when you're less new.
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>>10388255
>Next time, do this before asking a question.
Stop seething, I did but at first was typing in things that were not coming up with answers that helped me.
>Please consider lurking more and try posting again when you're less new.
I have been on /cgl/ since 2012 and have posted on AA threads but not about keychains.

No need to be such a sour cunt.
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>>10387909
I just got a batch of stickers from them last week. I like them a lot and have never been unhappy with them. Their basic vinyl isn't as thick, but they have a heavy duty option if you really hate how thin it is. They also have a lot of flexibility in how you can use their materials. You can scroll through their instagram to see examples of some of the stuff they can do. instagram.com/stickerapp/ The other materials don't have the same durability as vinyl so keep that in mind.
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>>10388259
NAYRT, but acrylic keychains is really basic AA stuff. Check the FAQ in the OP first next time.
>But there wasn't any FAQ in the OP
Yeah OP blundered this time, but all the general links are there five posts down.
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>>10388231
>>10388254
>>10388259
Jfc lol, you're actually the cunt in this situation. The other anon wasn't even being rude. If you've been on cgl that long, you would know it's a pretty standard response to newbie questions like yours. You're also pretty blind if you didn't have any clue about where to make ACRYLIC CHARMS of all places.

>Plastic keychains
>Volgrace
lmao
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Tangentially related to artist alleys and manufacturing - but is anyone else keeping up with the Dispel Dice drama? Dispel Dice (formerly iamacoyfish in the Artist Alley circuit) raised something like 2.5 million dollars on Kickstarter and one of the factories they were working with just came out the other day and accused them of committing corporate espionage and stealing proprietary manufacturing processes and leaving them with 2100 dice sets that are unpaid for.

This whole thing has me thinking about drawing up contracts for working with overseas manufacturers in the future.
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>>10389003
I'm surprised /cgl/ hasn't piceked up on this yet when it's already all over the dice facebook groups and r/hobbydrama. Either way, bring on the popcorn .gif especially since Dispel Dice just released a Kickstarter campagin update.
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>>10389003
>2.5 million dollars

Holy shit. I commissioned some stupid $20 portrait from her at an AA years ago.
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>>10389003
>This whole thing has me thinking about drawing up contracts for working with overseas manufacturers in the future.
Good luck getting them to actually sign it much less honor it. Companies have no shortage of clients and will most likely just reject you, and even if they did sign it there's literally nothing you can do if they break it.

My vague understanding of overseas business is that a lot of it is based on etiquette that americans cannot grasp, because we just want to be direct. The DD fiasco seems like it could be a genuine cultural misunderstanding that spiraled out of control. Either way, it bothers me that people are so eager for DD to fuck up that they are overlooking the incredibly inappropriate response of a company selling someone's designs under a different name on alibaba. That's not an acceptable retaliation.
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>>10389003
I think the drama last year was stupid, but the claims are too serious this time for me to immediately side with her.

I know it’s partially because of business customs in China and they differentiate American ones, but god this situation was poorly handled by everyone
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>>10389019
I personally don't see them recouping losses by selling off the 2100 sets that are already made as retaliation. Now, if they start making MORE than those, I might take DD's side but as of now both of them seem to have fucked up.
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>>10389020
What was the tea from last year?
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>>10389092
Because DD’s owner has an American first name, other dice owners accused her of being a colonizer profiting off POC work. Because Indy dice makers should only be minorities for some reason?? Uno reverse card and wow she’s asian, so they moved goal posts from DD exploiting POC to “her work is shady, she doesn’t have any friends in the dice community”

Then another uno reverse, DD tried befriending the accusers months before but they ignored her because they thought they were popular and better than her
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>>10389099
I'm still seeing this in this debate, people pushing really hard the narrative that she's an american exploiting chinese people, without really addressing the fact that she's asian herself.

I don't know why people hate her so much. I've been following DD for awhile and got the impression that she just wanted to make pretty dice and didn't seem that invested in scaling up to a business for a long time. Just seemed like she got good at it very fast and made a bunch of people jealous and suspicious. Maybe I'm missing some backstory or something.
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>>10389175
I'm Asian but I do think there's a difference between being a fairly wealthy 2nd gen Chinese-American and like... a mainland Chinese factory worker. I've actually seen way more racism addressed toward the factory ("Just as expected from the CHINESE" etc) than toward Karen/iamacoyfish/DD.

I agree with you that first bit of drama was just petty jealousy. That other dicemaker was just mad that Karen had the resources and friends to put together a successful business in a short span of time. This accusation from the factory seems way more serious though - although there's not enough evidence from either side to say for sure who's telling the truth.
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>>10388260
Thank you for detailed answer, I'll definitely look into them!
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>>10388123
Thank you!
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>>10384905
You might be losing followers due to a lack of consistent posting. When was your last post and how often do you upload new content? Another reason you could be losing followers dramatically is that they were fff accounts that baited the hook with a cheap follow and unfollowed once they saw you didn’t follow back
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>>10385855
You need to merge the two social media platforms to be more symbiotic to one another. I’d suggest using your IG or twitter screenname as a watermark on your photos for tumblr and post your tumblr link to your IG bio. If it were me I’d do WIP on tumblr and finished products on IG
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>>10389194
The factory's evidence is pretty flimsy. Like why show the invoice of the initial order- which everyone agreed happened anyway- and not the 2k unpaid one? Makes you wonder if it's because they don't have any better evidence. All the evidence shows is that yes, DD made contact with the factory. The rest is hearsay.
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>>10389388
I think it’s because of the way Chinese do business there was an unsaid agreement that the 2k orders was a done deal? Or that’s what I get from reading testimonials

I’m just very confused as to why her dad would say she had employees and income to appear more legit. The numbers said in their post were too specific to be made up.

But overall I feel bad for anyone chinese in this situation, the bad stereotype is never going to die down
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Anyone have recs for transitioning to more eco-friendly packaging, but staying budget-friendly? Any suggestions are welcome, but especially for shipping envelopes. I'm not a huge seller and don't have that much space so buying crates of like, 500 envelopes to reach good prices is not really...preferable. I know there's eco-enclose and jiffy, but was wondering if there are any other brands that do actually eco friendly stuff as well (and maybe as a bonus, offer #000 sized envelopes because using envelopes that are way too big for my purposes also feelsbad TM).
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>>10389571
honestly? why even

corporations are the reason the ecosystem is slowing dying, you switching to eco-friendly packaging isn't going to have an impact at all. if price and budget is an issue for you, don't do it. but if you have the $$$ to burn, then yes do it.
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What are American shipping (as in pairing) rules? Some things are obvious and some things don't make sense to me. I seriously don't know but I want to be careful.
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>>10389571
what >>10389579 said. that type of eco friendly shit doesn't even help even on a corporate level anymore.
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>>10389468
"let's make 2000 more of these even though no actual purchase order was made" is a very, very stupid way to do business. considering how much stuff gets knocked off or better yet produced unauthorized "after hours" by chinese factories it's just as likely they wanted to get themselves part of the pie.
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>>10389571
if you are shipping small envelopes, then you don't really have much to worry about.
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>>10389571
Have your friends and family save bubble mailers and cut them up to the sizes you need. Reusing is better than any eco packaging.
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>>10389611
Are you asking about problematic content? These are the big ones:
> Age gaps
Anything more than a year apart can get you in trouble. The bigger the gap, the riskier the gamble.
> Minor Shipping
Yes, even if they're both minors because everyone is in high school, it's still problematic. Once you get past the 20s point, it's a lot safer.
> Mixed Race
Ship stuff with a PoC is apparently "appropriating" and is supporting "exotic sexualization". Racebending a white character to another race is, however, perfectly fine.
> Loli/Shota
Same as above with minors, except that they just look young. Vampire lolis, undead shotas, etc. You like them? Congrats, now you're a pedophile. Even if this isn't a ship and you just draw them, you may draw them "too sexily"
> Incest
This includes: siblings, parents, step siblings, cousins, distant cousins, people who may or may not be siblings. It does not matter. If the fanon interpretation of the relationship is anything familial, it's now treated as incest. On the plus side, if they're actually siblings but the fanon doesn't think of them like that, it's totally fine?
> Power Play
Is someone the supervisor? Teacher? Were they ever at one point in their relationship not 100% equals? Is someone significantly taller than the other, in a way that may be interpreted as threatening? This ship may now qualify as abuse and is romanticizing abusive relationships
> Dark
Just angst things. Death, illness, dark imagery like cages. Draw too much of these and now you're problematic because you're secretly a psychopath.
> Fetish
Same as above, except that you are not only a psychopath, but you are also a grooming pedophile. It does not matter whether or not you actually have this fetish. If it can be interpreted as fetish work than it can be problematic
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>>10389641
I’m not saying it’s smart, just that there are foreign business customs in play that we’re not privy to that makes this ordeal complicated
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>>10389690
>age gaps
The older they are the bigger gap you can have, though. People are throwing shitfits over 17/20 pairs, but don't give a shit if they are 40/60. Because everyone over 26 is "old" and therefore all the same mental age.

>>10389611
Honestly you're going to encounter trouble no matter what you ship more than likely, because the issue is that kids have learned to twist things into "problematic" in order to attack ships that conflict with their own ships. They also use language like "incest" and "pedophilia" to shock you and make it more difficult for you to argue with them, because they'll twist it into you arguing in support of those things. I doubt you're making stuff that's genuinely iffy if you're worried about being careful, so, just think reasonably and if people give you shit anyway, don't engage, just block and ignore.
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>>10379511
>Artist Spreadsheet
wait, why is that link blocked now?
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>>10382986

>>be in bad fandom but enjoy the show a lot.
>>ship two characters because m/m my jam
>>ship them also because they check all of my fangirl "i like this" boxes
>>make some fanart
>>post fanart
>>get a LOT of heat and messages that were pretty much WTF I didn't you know you where a pedo
>>go to fanwiki page because they never said how old the characters are in the show
>>One is 16
>>....the other is 31!?

I'm stupid though. The show is set in high school, so I should have picked up on the fact the younger one was, well, in high school i.e under 18. But my yaoi fangirl brain never sees age until it's forced into my face. So I still ship them, but of course never tell anyone and in my head I guess I just make the 16 year old 22 and the 31 year old into 25 because I'm not into actual underage stuff?

Damn high school centered animes. Why can't everyone just be in college.
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>>10390057
Hate that being called a pedo for anime shit is only prevalent in female centered fandoms meanwhile dudes get a free pass. Is that internalized misogyny lol
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>>10390057
This is something I think about a lot, but it's impossible to make the argument. Most characters in mainstream anime don't read as children or teens, since they're often heroes in unrealistic situations and drawn in a style that doesn't convey age well, so calling someone a pedo for shipping a character that doesn't act or look anything like an actual child is really fucked up and obviously inaccurate. Same in western media, except in addition the actors conveying teens are usually over 20. It's reasonable to like a character because of their personality and not because of an arbitrary number assigned to them because media has a high school fetish. That's why I don't find aging up all that fucked up either. People grow up and it's terrifying that antis have twisted the natural inevitable progression of time into a perversion. Twisting it into "well you liked that character who you didn't even know was 16 BECAUSE they're 16 and so you're a pedophile" is some backwards flip of logic.
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>>10390121
>Most characters in mainstream anime don't read as children or teens, since they're often heroes in unrealistic situations and drawn in a style that doesn't convey age well
This. Age in fiction really is just a number, kind of like the b/w/h measurements male artists arbitrarily give to their characters. It doesn't actually correlate with emotional maturity most of the time (and we can tell this because it's fiction and we know what the character is thinking, as opposed to real life where we have regulations because we cannot know exactly what people are thinking). Plus, these characters are often put in extremely violent situations and no one seems to mind that, but whoa, suddenly they're too emotionally immature for a relationship? It just shows that Americans are more bothered by sex than murder, and it's honestly sad to see that their education system has failed to this extent.

Anyway sage for OT.
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>>10390129
This reminds me of the inuyasha sequel

Everyone was losing their shit over sessho potentially fucking rin because of their age difference, meanwhile inuyasha over here is THOUSANDS years old but him raw dogging Kagome is okay? Wish there was some consistency with these moral fags
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>>10389690
>>10389797
Thanks this is really helpful and horrifying. I thought the reply was sarcastic at first but at this point the mental gymnastics I've seen on twitter wouldn't surprise me. Hopefully teens calm down as they get older.
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>>10390110
Mysogyny is part of it but its really just about picking easy targets to get clout in their community. They -could- go after dudes drawing legit baby fuck comics but that guy will just tell them to fuck off. Much easier to harass the person who's trying to be inclusive off the platform.
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>>10390204
>They -could- go after dudes drawing legit baby fuck comics but that guy will just tell them to fuck off.
It's less that THEY will will them to fuck off, and more that those dudes generally have hundreds of legit incels as fans to raise shit for them. Just look at Shadbase, for example.
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>>10390219
This, the main difference is that dudes drawing legit baby fuck comics has a fanbase and demographic that wants to read legit baby fuck comics. Girls drawing fluffy stuff for girls will be met with a lot of moralfagging by sensitive teenage girls if they perceive the slightest misstep.
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>>10390201
> the reply was sarcastic at first
OR here, nope, but boy I wish it were. I could have listed actual character/ships/artists that were flagged for almost all of them but ran out of space. The end all of the matter is anything you make will be flagged as problematic by someone out there in this vast world, so who cares? It’s cheesy but make what makes you happy, because that offended kid doesn’t have the money to buy your stuff anyway
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Does anyone have experience selling more beauty related items at AA like press-ons or lashes? I primarily do lash extensions right now but initially started to get stuff to make my own press-ons because I can definitely no longer get away with having my natural nail host something qt and lengthy. With the supplies I ended up getting I figure I'll have enough to make more than just a set or two for myself, if this ends up being a thing I'd like to take it to an AA because most of my inspo crosses into /cgl/

I was already working on making "custom" falscara strips (idea being you get the falscara set, and I customize the strip) for my own clientele already so by the time I'm ready to commit to an AA table I can pad it with lash stuff (id probably do a lot of color volume work for something like this)

also tinkering with FULLY handmade strips, my table ideas are about a year and a half to two years out, especially due to rona, so they may be fleshed out by then
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>>10391597
Everything would be packaged up and cleaned prior to packaging, I definitely plan to seal it so it can't be opened and have a very strict return policy (but also some leeway if something crazy happens, if a return is needed i'd rather send a new product)

Posting some random nails I pulled up from google, another note -- I know to stay away from licensed characters and trademarked things in anything I'm to sell -- is there any specific motif I should be avoiding in my designs? I vaaaaguely recall some drama over melty designs (not just in nails) for example. My logic is I;m following resin? etiquette but for the nails as far as respecting the community goes

If my AA shop ever happens I will provide in maybe 4 general aesthetics (normiecore,ott sweet,pastel goth, pop):


>beauty
False lashes (black/colored/otherwise decorated)
Lash accessories that I made
Press On nails
Nail accessories that I made

lifestyle:
Stickers
Car decals (removable and permanent)
various vinyl clings
misc. small home decor
possibly decked out PPE (faceshields, masks, scarves) w. embroidery/adornments/paint
normal AA fare

Since this is all like two years max away, I hope to have an online shop and sell IRL to randos to make sure everything's worth selling in the first place
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>>10391597
>>10391598
i don't think these would do very good desu. plus you likely won't get in selling just this stuff. it's not really very anime con since it's only slightly related to jfash. i have sold nail sets before but i sell charms and jewelry and the nails are not primary goods and are explicitly in jfash styles. also no, you can definitely sell licensed character nail art. i would just steer clear of doing AA since you seem to have no real direction for actual AA related stuff and everything else seems tacked on.
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>>10391600
oh, my bad. I forgot to mention that I've been doing artwork for over a decade and have always wanted to do an AA, I extrapolated on the lash and nail shit to show the ideas I had for that specifically since it;s an interest of mine right now and I'm just putting a feeler out

innovative to offer in AA currently past "general AA fare" which, two years from now, I **should** have the stock created and ready to go, but I think thinking about these things out loud don't really lend to a good AA thread but since I'm here:

I'm currently also toying with is layered 3D resin paintings, my first set is going to be based in final fantasy

Also tinkering with shallow carvings to accent drawings in a panel like pic related, then coating it with resin in layers to do the 3D painting effect. Sort of like a combo between a painting and a scuplture. Possible idea to make a jewelry "mate", like a necklace or something that is a miniature and/or similar so you can buy the one and only or an inspired necklace that there's like 5 of

I'm imagining a chii in a bath one and I will not rest on the idea until I finish it.

I also alter MTG cards, and by this imaginary two year point i will have a stock of themed basic lands etc that I could easily pull from to offer at an AA, as well as higher priced meme cards that will probably sell

I have plenty to choose from as far as media goes, I'm just really going to have to choose which fandoms I participate in as far as creating goes

sorry for novel anon, i promise im not tryna sell JUST nails and nail related accessories
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>>10391611
Not that anon but you should be careful about going into too much detail before you have a product sketch done or something, just in case there are people who may take your concept and create it before you have a chance to (especially in a board like 4chan where you can’t really later prove it was originally your concept) I like your product ideas though, you have a good variety of items!
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>>10391612
thanks for that idea, though I'm sure people have done it and I'm sure if it comes to fruition for me, I won't have a problem if others do it too (and maybe even do a better job)

pulled a random pic off google and spent 5k hours in photoshop to make a more visual example of how the nails would show up. wouldn't be the main thing for sure now that I've made a mock version of it

this is actually kind of fun, as dinky as it is right now
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>>10391615
idk if I'm going off on too much of a tangent here, but with this rona stuff I decided it created a perfect reason for me to sort of incubate myself. I also have some personal reasons that it might be a good idea to actually pursue this now, I've thought about doing AA almost every other year for about 5 years now because I absolutely have the skills

I think at my bare minimum, the way I look at it, I think I will at least break even on the table. I want to get out there and enjoy a con, and talk about my craft and share it with people

since I work in the beauty industry now, stuff is a little shaky as far as normal work goes, and it would be nice to figure out a way to keep that skill alive without showing up every day and sitting like 6 inches away from someone's eyeballs

I've gotten so much enjoyment out of minding my own business and working on my artwork and crafts, and maybe doing my mom or my sister's lashes every couple weeks

as far as my long term life situation goes, this would be perfect timing if it turns out to be something I enjoy doing, and I at least get to talk about my art all day for a couple days after I've been working a "normal" job all year

gonna take a lot of discipline though, I hope I can check in to these threads with spicy developments to stay on track
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>>10391617
god you're extremely cringy.
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>>10391648
im just bored and hyped
, didnt mean to inflict that type o feel
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>>10391617
Good luck anon, I know that feel. I was planning to do AA for the first time in many years this year, and while I had only prepared the traditional stuff like prints, charms and pins, it still leaves me restless. I was looking forwards to cons and tabling.
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>>10391611
The whole vibe you're going for seems like a more dealers hall than Artist Alley thing. Also, a heads up that AAs probably won't let you sell altered MTG cards since that technically uses actual copyrighted art not drawn by you.
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Honestly, what canvas size do you guys draw on for keychains? I heard it's different for a lot of artists and there's some debate on it, what is the optimized size?
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>>10393298
Canvas size doesn't matter as much as dpi/resolution. 300dpi is standard recommended dpi for print.
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>>10393397
I mean, it does matter to some extent. The canvas should be as big as what you’re trying to print.
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>>10393298
It's generally 300dpi and what ever size canvas you want the charm.
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>>10393562
I figured that was obvious but yeah.
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>>10393298
Besides echoing off the other anons about DPI I don't think there's any optimized canvas size? I always draw at least twice as large just in case I ever want to turn the design into something else (I never do though to be honest). Drawing at or resizing to the size you want might make it easier on the manu, but they might go through a process where they resize anyway so it might not even matter.
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so is AX letting this year's artists rebook for next year?
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>>10394662
Yes, there’s the option to roll over.
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>>10393298 I also follow >>10394312 in drawing twice as large.
Personally, my charms and stickers are usually 2-3" so I draw on 5x5" which is small enough to prevent me from zooming into the canvas, but big enough to consider slapping the art on something else. Fabric can usually take a lower DPI, so blowing it up for a tote bag is also feasible at that size.
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best place for enamel pins? google resource only seems to have acrylic charms and etc.
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>>10395408
yah gonna get slammed man. cus these Chinese factories get sloppy when they get overloaded so people don't give their manu names
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>>10395408
We get enamel pin questions so often, it's even mentioned in the FAQ.

>Or do some research on Alibaba and find someone. Peeps aren’t going to feed you that info.
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Does anyone have any experience/recommendations in terms of waterproof/weatherproof printed stickers? I've been looking through the Resources doc of course, but what gives me pause is that more than once I've bought vinyl stickers from artists that have claimed to be waterproof, and then watched them pretty quickly disintegrate on a (handwashed) waterbottle. So I worry that sometimes artists haven't actually tested the durability for themselves with what they're having printed and selling as waterproof.

My experience has mostly been with vinyl cutting (more like decals, I have a SC3), so for context I'd love to have the durability of Oracal 651. Is that possible? Is holo or glitter an option with that level of durability or nah? Like what are those cringey anime peek decals printed with? those would have to have that level of durability right?
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>>10381660
i know international shipping fees are crazy right now
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>>10395691
artists printing at home may be printing on vinyl, but without solvent ink it isn't going to be very waterproof or weatherproof. You'll get water resistant at best.
If you want durability, outsource your printing to someone with an actual industrial grade printer. stickermule &whatever else will work just fine.
if you must try to do it at home yourself, start looking for solvent ink printers. this is where I stopped doing research into it so you'll have to find those machines yourself. I can't imagine it would be worth it, but I don't know what you need.
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Forgive me if this is a silly question but...if you have a set deal that is very obvious on your listing, but someone still chooses to purchase stuff individually, do you let them know and refund them (perhaps better chance for review?) or fly with it? i'd like to be a good seller but is it my fault they didn't see it..
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>>10399217
by this i mean the set deal is much cheaper than purchasing individually.
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>>10399217
People do that all the time in my shop. If they want to give you more money, let them. No reason to spend your time trying to "fix" their order, resulting in less money. If they bought it, they are clearly happy with the price.

Its honestly a clever thing to do. Post coupons or discounts in obvious places. The people not happy with your prices will look for the discount, and the people who are happy with the prices will pay that extra amount. its a win-win.
Its basically the entire premise of coupons.
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for anyone that cares, I got some business cards from a few places over the past ~6 months, and here is how I'd rate them

vistaprint 5/10
jukebox 4/10 (7/10 for stickers)
staples 2/10 (well, its better than regular printer paper I guess. cheapest option though.)
primoprint 8/10
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Personal opinion- Do you like pins that just have one character and is small? Or do you like larger pins with one character but alongside with other items associated with that character? What if they were the same price?
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>>10399622
I'd buy either if the design is good. The only thing it would affect is whether I wear it on clothes (the bigger one would be too clunky to wear casually) or as part of a bag collection.
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>>10399622
For pins I take clarity of design over cramming as much stuff you can onto it. Nothing wrong with having items and effects complimenting the character, but the design is the important part, and the should still be easily readable.
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Does anyone have advice for taking on big art projects? I've been wanting to draw a tarot set for so long but I'm worried that it'll take forever to finish, and by the time I do the fandom would have moved on. I see people with fandoms like BNHA who have 30+ designs for keychains and I have no idea how they got all of those done
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>>10399791
>I see people with fandoms like BNHA who have 30+ designs for keychains and I have no idea how they got all of those done

By being either boring or drawn very poorly.

Wow smiling Deku in his hero costume. Wow smiling Deku in his school uniform.

Wow Bakugo snarling in his hero costume. Wow Bakugo snarling in his school uniform.
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>>10399791
This is obvious but start small. If you find 30+ keychain designs intimidating then see if you can finish smaller sets or projects before starting on a 22 card deck. Unless you're talented, quick and very focused, then people who have 30+ keychain designs either do them in a lazy way like >>10399803 suggests, or they do smaller sets and gradually add to it over time. BnHA has a million characters and has been popular for years, it's easy to start with a set of 5 main characters and then add 5 more for each con.
Start with smaller projects slightly out of your comfort zone that you have motivation for, and gradually build up routine and workflow to finish bigger sets. You're just gonna burn yourself out and not finish if you attempt 22 cards when you know you wouldn't even finish 10 of them.
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I have a passion for cooking and I obsessed over Japanese food in all it's forms - animes, toys, real cooking shows and documentaries, and buying things like square frying pans. I thought it would be cute to make recipe cards with my favorite characters/FOMs and favorite meals.

But I have a negative Nancy friend who said that would be a waste of time to create as everyone who has the internet can just find cooking recipe (and Youtube videos) for free.

Well fucking DUH. I can use my home printer to make free prints too, Nancy, but that doesn't mean I don't buy $50 of husbando prints at cons every time.

I had an idea once to make a three tier dangling keychain with the same concept, but then I realized the writing would be tiny and pointless if you actually wanted to try it for yourself. Now I'm leaning into trying my hand at making a cookbook lit? Like 10 pages zine really.

Any thought?
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>>10400034
The mini cookbook zine sounds neat, though you should stick to one fandom for the book.
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>>10400034
you sound like you're probably trash at cooking japanese food.
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>>10400059
You sound like someone who eats instant ramen every day with a boiled egg and splintered wooden chopsticks you saved from your numerous take out orders.
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>>10400034
It would be cute and I think that idea would appeal to people if it's framed like the character's favorite meals or which match their personalities, not just a list of your own favorites. That said, first of all, don't give out your specific ideas on this board as someone is probably stealing it right now. Second, don't write your posts with this much personality, it's annoying. This isn't tumblr.
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>>10400094
>>character's favorite meals or which match their personalities

Problem with that is guess how many characters like Katsudon Pork Cutlet? Not like I can't switch it up though.

>>Second, don't write your posts with this much personality

Didn't think that had "personality" to it. But Nyrat.
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>>10400034
I mean plenty of people have done fandom-specific cooking zines and even just straight up original recipe zines. I do agree with the other anon that you kind of sound annoying about Japanese food though.

If your art is good, people will buy pretty much whatever project you put out. Your friend isn't being negative, they're being pragmatic. Recipe cards are a pretty niche item, the novelty requires people to stop at your table and browse through them vs an eyecatching print which doesn't need people to spend a ton of time at your table to figure out what they want. Especially since recipe cards are much smaller than your average 11 x 17 print. Doing just keychains are a bad idea for the reasons you've mentioned. If you really wanted to go the keychain route, I'd recommend drawing chibi characters with the foods you like and then making a backing card with the recipe on the back of the card. That way people are getting the recipe card as a sort of "bonus"? The zine is probably the best way to go. you could offer keychains as preorder incentives (if people pay an extra $10, they can get a keychain and then after the preorder for your zine ends, you can sell the keychains at a regular price like $12~$15).
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>>10400075
nah, sorry i just can spot a weeb from a mile away.

>>10400102
i think she is just doomed honestly. doing only novelty shit at your first table sounds awful. she also sounds like an overly excited labrador.
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>>10400176
NAYRT but learn to read instead of pulling assumptions out of your ass, she never said it was her first table or that it was the only stuff she was planning to do.

In any case I agree that recipe cards are too niché and the keychains sounds too finicky. Doing a zine sounds like the best way to go.
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>>10400034
Might be better to just do a Japanese food truck, just sell Katsudon and Oyakodon possibly a veg Douburi for vegetarians. I'd be reluctant to buy anything with recipes at a convention considering how hit or miss some cookbooks are and you can find video instruction online, or better recipes from a well known chef
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>>10400034
>>10400059
>>10400094
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>>10400176

>I like a thing.

Christ, you are so fucking annoying.

Never change /cgl/. Kek.
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>>10400187
The implication is that the recipes will be accompanied by fandom themed art. If the art was good and it was from a character/fandom I liked, the recipes just needs to be passable.
It's like no one goes to real fandom themed cafés or maid/weeb cafés for the food quality, it's for the aesthetics.
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>>10400184
>learn to read
you need to learn to read. she never said she had tabled before and it's obvious she hasn't. she's just gushing about muh japanese food which is probably all yoshoku crap she's seen in anime.
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Anime + cookbooks has always been a thing. As someone that owns a few myself actually, and yes I have tired a few of the recipes out (and they tasted like dog shit), I got them more or less for laughs. I would suggest going towards some sort of food poster type print instead of something with like instructions.

It's been 10 years and people still buy a print I have of Naruto eating ramen. I have a Yuri on Ice food print too with all the boys and that usually sells out.
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>>10400193
>she never said she had tabled before
Exactly where in the post does she say that? Maybe you should read it again. >>10400034
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>>10400192
if anon wasn't so retarded she would just draw a line of prints or keychains of characters eating their favorite foods. you're basically saying who gives a fuck about the recipes, and i agree, but OP seems like she cares about sharing shitty recipes she probably stole off of cookpad.
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>>10400195
bitch are you esl? i said she DIDN'T say she's tabled. she never mentioned having a table one way or another and is clearly acting like this is her first attempt at trying to table by making kawaii recipe cards her main product. nothing was mentioned about her tacking it on to existing work.
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>>10400196
Yeah I agree that no one really cares about recipes. Cutesy anime food or fandom prints of characters eating sells, so the easiest would just to make prints and keychains based on those designs.
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>>10400199
My bad, you really are just pulling assumptions out of your ass then.
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>>10400196
>characters eating their favorite foods

WOW. How original.
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>>10400206
being original doesn't make you good, food faggot.
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>>10400201
>inb4 OP comes back to tell us it's her 1st table and you get blow out
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>>10400208

You try tabling in a room with hundreds of others who all have the same thing. It helps.
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>>10400199
Bitch she clearly knew that designing the keychains she had in mind wouldn't work for practical reasons, you're projecting about her never having tabled before or making it her ONLY item just because you think the idea is lame.
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>>10400206
As if the same fandoms and ideas aren't rehashed a thousand times over in AAs. You can get away with it if your execution is better than other's, for smaller fandoms or unique style. It would probably still sell more than recipe cards.
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>>10400211
Everyone thinks your idea is bad, get over it. You sound like a newfag and it's obvious your 2quirky6u ass is samefagging to defend yourself. We've given you ideas but you want to be ~spechul~. Unique ideas are not what makes your table stand out, unlike what >>10400210 seems to think.
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>>10400216
This. And people won't be rushing over to your table because of small, hard to see recipe cards.
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>>10400217
>Oh shit better move the goalposts
I'm not the OP you retard, I don't care for the ideas myself. You just sound exceptionally salty.
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>>10400217
>Unique ideas are not what makes your table stand out
Whew you just sound like someone who rehashes trends instead of ever daring to come up with ideas yourself. If your art is good, you can steal whatever trends you have. But being the ones with good art coming up with new trends definitely makes you stand out.
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>>10400221
that isn't me, dumbass. whether your her or not defending her is just getting cringy.
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>>10400217

Ok you've made it clear that *you have actually never tabled before but like to give advice to people via rollplaying. That's fine. But why are you so down anon's throat for their idea for trying to mix something they enjoy with something they would use themselves?

I don't know if the idea would sell like hotcakes, but if you get a few dozen other people who are also interested in cooking and like those nik-nak type of things at AAs, then it's already a success.

Also, you sound grumpy as fuck. Go to bed.
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>>10400188
Non-Japanese people going this hard for "Japanese food" are annoying. Sorry that you blew past all the actual art advice to get defensive over cringey weeb habits.

I'd like to reiterate that zines are the best way to accomplish what OP wants to do. But if they really want to go for a "card aesthetic" they can offer them as a zine bonus or work them into the packaging for charms instead.
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>>10400228
>why are people giving advice instead of just validating my shitty ideas reeeeee
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>>10400232

I’m not getting defense. That’s not even a defense reply. It’s just funny.

This dude however is cracking me up, >>10400237, because I think he would rather see OP get hit by a car than have their idea work in some form or another.
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Lol I saw that cgl updated and thought it was going to be AA-news or an actual discussion
But it turns out it was just a dogfight. Seems like quarantine has put y'all on edge, hope y'all aren't getting too stir crazy.

Anyways >>10400034
I agree with >>10400102 on the recipe cards or novels being a more novelty item or niche merch idea.
Personally I think it'd be cute to get something themed around a character and their personality as a food or something, but I would not get it if the art wasn't good. It's an add on, nice touch, but I'm not going to be spending extra money on it unless there's art I like on it as well.

Aside from the recipe ideas there are artists that do food porn-esque prints if you're into that and "kawaii" merch of food is always a generic cute thing that people like to get.
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>>10400034
Zine sounds like your best bet, and like other anons have said, don't put that much information about your projects on the internet unless you're almost ready for sales. Nothings stopping a random stranger from seeing your post and doing it faster (and maybe better) than you can

>>10400340
Seems like its just one anon who hates the idea and can't let it go
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>>10399234
Can you give more details? I'm looking at some personal business cards and my budget is a bit higher than my AA cards so I was eyeing some of the premium papers on Jukebox. Since you're including Staples I'm guessing you just got the budget cards? Was it the print or paper quality you didn't like at Jukebox?
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>>10400418
For jukebox I used their semigloss 15pt. I have a colorful business card, and the colors were very dull. It was like saturation was cut in half compared to Vistaprint (primoprint had less saturation too, but not as much and didn't look dull). But... the stickers I got from the same order, using the exact same colors resulted in very vibrant stickers. So the stickers looked how I expected them to, but the problem with them was about 10% of them had issues. Either they were extremely blurry or had large dark smudges on them. The rest were fine, and they gave me account credits to buy more, but still, it was a problem I had.
Their business card print quality/sharpness is a little bit better than vistaprint, but cost around twice as much, so, meh. Mostly just disappointed how dull the colors looked compared to the stickers I got from them and the previous cards I got from vistaprint.
Their circle stickers are a great price though. I'm gonna bump them up to 9/10, desu. The 2nd order of stickers had no issues. The colors are perfect, sharpness is great, price is very low (half the cost of vistaprint, slightly cheaper than primoprint).

For staples, I went with their budget cards. I didn't get my normal design, I just needed text and a small image next to the text. The print quality/sharpness is a little worse than vistaprint and the card is extremely thin. There is nothing functionally wrong with it, but you won't be impressing anyone with it.
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>>10400418
If your budget allows it, just use Moo. They're the best quality by far in my opinion.
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>>10401754
I'm the other anon, but aren't they crazy expensive? I was really wanting to try them out, but they were like 3 times the price as the others I listed.
I might try them in the future for a batch of cards reserved for special people or something.
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>>10400059
fuck off retard
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>>10401754
Their print quality wasn't good compared to their price in a couple of reviews I saw (clarity, register, etc) so I'd rather not go with them. That's why I was specifically asking about Jukebox. Thanks anyway.
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>>10400555
Thank you for the details! I may have another look at Vistaprint's more expensive options for cards.
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>>10400555
Any of you guys consider GotPrint? To be fair I don't have anything to compare to and don't really know anyone else who has tried them so maybe the experience varies, but I quite liked the way mine turned out. Decent printing (as far as I can tell), and very well priced.
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>>10402302
Different anon, but I've used GotPrint pretty frequently. I've generally been really happy with the quality. I've occasionally had defects when I've gotten large print runs, which shows they don't have very thorough quality control. For example, a stack of 1000 I ordered had intermittent flaws through parts of the stack from some scraps of paper that got into the printer, but since both ends looked fine they didn't catch it. They've so far replaced everything when I've complained about it. I've probably made 30+ orders with them and only gotten maybe 3 flawed orders. When they get it right I'm really happy with them.

And they're cheap!

I've also used OvernightPrints (miserable experience, my first order I ever made with them was misprinted, and then when they shipped the replacement, they downgraded the shipping/production speed drastically without telling me, so an order that was supposed to take two days suddenly took two weeks and arrived too late) and Moo (way overpriced for any quality, and not enough price breaks at high quantities). I've used some other places too but they were very forgettable.
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>>10402302
I also enjoyed Gotprint, consistent solid printing quality but I've had some minor alignment issues when they trim stuff. Unless you're local/picking your order up I find the shipping cancels out the value and there's cheaper places out there for quantities other than 500.
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i'm so fucking sick of my current GO. important notices in the groupchat that the organizer has treated like a diary since day 1. then they post passive aggressive shit in the chat about people who didn't get the memo, when they never sent a formal email? it's all buried under randoms complaining about their home life. the unprofessionalism is incredible. my charms have been state side for weeks and organizer is too busy but can post random pictures in the chat. what was the point of a group chat for this if you make the important info impossible to find? fucking never again.
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>>10402521
Are you referring to the honey group?
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>>10402621
No lol but if you’re having the same problems I’m sorry.
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>>10402405
True, I did get the 500 option because it was the best value. I've been stuck with this box of business cards for a while though haha.
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>>10402621
Honey group?
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>>10402521
Who is it?
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>>10402621
>>10403325
What's honey group? Is it that bad lol
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anyone have any fun ways to display acrylic keychains? Or a preferred way they like them displayed as either an artist or buyer?
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>>10404046
I wasn't going to post that but now that my charms are finally here and they are fucked because of mismanagement I'll just say it. The order was hosted by SEGA Mew. His own info sheet is outdated and caused problems from the beginning. Constant and I mean fucking constant blogging in the GO groupchat being a manchild and complaining about his mom which just encourages other randoms to blog about stupid shit. Autismal obsession with ofc Sonic should have been a red flag but I was in need of a quick restock. The whole process took 4 fucking months. Let's set a due date for files, and then just push it back for some reason, fuck you if you need this soon. No attempts to keep everyone on the same page with consistent updates, especially with the rona just starting, just stuff getting buried. I just muted it at first and checked in once in a while. Then came the people who finally got their charms because they got the notice (only sent in the GC) to send him pics of their charms. Theirs were coming in all sorts of fucked up, bad printing, weird glue marks all over and he just shrugs and says oh well. People with unsellable charms wonder can they get remakes—"maybe". Issues with the vograce attachments because he gave you bad info and never corrected it for everyone? Your fault. This was in his own words an order of thousands of dollars worth of merch and you think oops oh well~ is an appropriate response? My own charms are super random ass sizes, when they're the same file and sizes I've sent in before in other GOs; some attachments are correct and some aren't, and we're just left high and dry. Shit experience. Would not recommend it, especially when he's skimming like 3% off the top to shitpost when you're just trying to get information.
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>>10406098
Thanks for the heads up, they're a constant GO runner so I thought they were good. Nice to know who to avoid.
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>>10406098
theyre a very weird individual and is a constant annoyance to a bunch of my friends. not to mention they sell a lot of bootleggy shit and their booth is so ugly and dirty looking anytime i pass by it at a con.
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>>10406098
Thank you for sharing this. I wanted to join this as my first GO but I missed out. It must have happened for a reason.
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>>10404788
For one, display them in sets by anime or design, etc. It makes it easier for you and for buyers. Put newer and/or shinier stuff at eye height to get more attention. Pic not mine but I like the setup a lot, it's easy for your eyes to roam around and it's neatly organized so buyers can just point at what they want
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>>10406562
Man those Yowapeda mugs are cute. Wish I started going to cons while it was still popular.
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So twitter is attacking artists that aren't blowing up their feed with BLM posts.
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>>10407335
Can you show some examples? I’ve heard of people “canceling” Brands but not individual artists or anything.
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Does anyone have any tips for managing huge quantities of individual sticker designs? I mean over 200. How do you stop people from clogging up the front of your booth as they slowly list off 20+ stickers and then change their mind on half of them?

I would prefer suggestions other than collating them into sticker sheets, although i'm ready to do that as a last resort.
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>>10407415
Hmmm I don't have this problem myself, but you could try handing them a re-usable laminated (or sheet protected) menu/checklist and dry erase pen so they can mark off each one they want? You'd need to update this whenever you add any designs ofc. 200+ designs is kind of insane though. Other than this the only thing I can think of is laying out all the sticker designs on your table or hanging them up in slots so they can grab them themselves, but that's a little riskier since they could easily be shuffled around or stolen.
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>>10407349
One example that popped up on my feed.
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I know this isn’t exactly the best place to ask, but since there isn’t a lot going on I was wondering if anyone has recs for chairs to use while drawing. Or what kind of seating setup you use?

I kind of just hunch over my kitchen table in a chair that goes too far back or lay on my bed, so I want to start sitting properly while drawing.
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>>10407335
You needa look up what "attacking" means, son.

>>10407493
Your chair needs will depend on your desk setup. If you use a flat desk, you're gonna eff yourself.

Since you're going to be looking down and focusing, artists benefit from kneeling chairs and a forward leaning posture on other chairs.
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>>10407335
Reeks of selfpost. Shut the fuck up Monah. No one forgot about when you made a show of throwing away your old merch either.
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>>10407516
Try again, simp.

Anyway, with things flaring back up again I wonder when cons will actually resume.
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>>10407482
not much of a "cancelling" no one has time to cancel artists right now. especially artist with so little influence.
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>>10407488
This bitch was posting shit about her move the whole time the protests were at their heaviest despite almost certainly seeing a ton of it on her TL, and only said anything about them when they got close to inconveniencing her personally. Still hasn't even RTed one resource thread and her boyfriend (?) announced her pregnancy for pity points. She deserves what she's getting, which is absolutely justified criticism.

You don't have to flood your followers with posts, but you know, there are pretty uncontroversial threads of support you could RT too, if you gave a single shit.
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>>10407482
just a new way for people to bully others on twitter. I wish they would spend this energy hassling big corporations instead of small time artists.
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How do y'all feel about selling reusable masks? Ever since they started popping up at the beginning of COVID it didn't feel right (morally?) selling them because of the whole situation with medical professionals saying that people don't need to wear them and it's taking away from their supply and it's a false sense of security, etc., but now they've turned on that and say that everyone should be wearing them.

So at first when people started selling them, to me, it felt like they were taking advantage of people who were paranoid, but is that the case now? Or do I just need to shift my thinking away from what the situation was when this whole thing first started? Are there any repercussions you guys see to selling them?

Disclaimer: I'm wearing a mask whenever I go outside now and at the beginning of this all I didn't go out at all so I'm not one of those dumbasses going outside without masks. Just worried if selling masks would be seen negatively or if it's just going to be another AA item now like scrunchies.
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>>10407829
I can understand your hesitation near the beginning, but I think at this point its fine. Reusable masks are especially fine because its medical grade one that medical staff need. You arent impeding on them unlike people who hoarded PPE
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>>10407829

Yeah in the beginning they recommended against it but now it's reasonable to use as it protects against larger droplets and both people using a mask drastically reduces the transmission of covid. Just make sure it's double layered.
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>>10407829
As long as you don't over price them or make any medical claims, you are fine. Its not taking advantage of people, you'd just be taking advantage of the situation in a positive way. really no different than producing FOTM prints.
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>>10407829
Just make sure they're made out of the correct materials and that you say what they're made of. Literally every artist I've found selling masks either buries the info about what's in them or doesn't mention it at all. Most of them that mention it have been polyester which is one of the less effective fabrics.
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What do people WANT.
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>>10407829
Imo it's ok as long as you're not charging an outrageous amount for them. If you're charging like $50 for a basic mask, that's kind of scummy.
Seconding the anon who said to make sure they're made of suitable materials though. I've seen people making masks out of tulle or chiffon over a single layer of polyester lining because kawaii, but those masks barely help, if they even help at all.
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>>10408302
Honestly, using meh materials is better than no mask especially considering the US is letting people off wearing bandanas and crap. Just don't make them out of silk or anything like that or you might suffocate someone.
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>>10408333
Tulle over a single layer lining is just as ineffective as a bandanna, though. Tulle has a very open weave and doesn’t even block out dust particles, let alone droplets.
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>>10408338
that's kind of my point. if people can just wear bandanas anyway, kawaii masks aren't any worse.
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>>10408333
>>10408368
OP was asking if it felt morally right to sell masks at all, so mentioning that it might also be morally right to try to source materials that are a little bit more effective seems in line. Just because a lot of other artists are hopping on the bandwagon and using shitty material doesn't make it alright. Honestly I was really surprised there wasn't more outrage over Redbubble and Threadless selling less effective polyester masks, but I figure most people don't know any better.
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>>10408419
big companies doing it are a problem, but a small etsy shop doesn't really bother me.
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>>10408421
It would bother me as a customer if I paid 20 dollars for a facemask that's not as effective as one I could make myself out of an old shirt.
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>>10408430
>she thinks people going out of their way to buy cute face masks give a shit about their effectiveness
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>>10379390
does anybody have a recommendation on how to display a oversize portfolio? I have 11x17 and an 11x14 that my display easel can't hold up very well
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>>10408616
I've seen people just have them flat on their table. Easier to flip thjrough too
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>>10381660
>>10396951
Can anyone who's ordered from Vograce before tell me how much they've increased shipping to your country?
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>>10409117
I just ordered about 150 acrylic standees and keychains, shipping was $84. Usually I pay no more than $50. I'm in the USA, for reference.
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>>10409347
150 each, or 150 in total? I'm also used to about $50 in shipping from them
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>>10409117
Honestly, I would just buckle up and prepare for double the cost.

Shipping sucks pretty bad right now.
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>>10409347
Total.
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How is everyone’s online stores been? I got mine started in February (shit timing) and I’m having bad luck.
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>>10411537
I opened my 2nd shop in march, so I feel you. Things are going fairly well for me though. I'm making as money I expected to be this and last month.
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>>10411537
I had a spike in May that was over half my usual monthly average, might've been stimulus check spending. Besides that it's been decent.
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>>10411537
My sales have actually upped from this time last year, it’s been a little weird.
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>>10411537
I'm doing pretty good, but I also sell sewing patterns. So I'm guessing people are buying crafty stuff.
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those with online stores, when did you guys decided to get a PO BOX? I'm deciding if I should get one immediately when I finally open shop or wait until I get high enough sales. or not bother getting one at all.
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>>10412211
I've never really seen the point of it. seems costly for no benefit other than more privacy I guess. I'm not a private person so I don't care.
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>>10412211
I don't have one and I'll probably eventually get one in the future but I can't be too assed to do it now. For reference, I've been selling online for years now and make several k a month off my online store but I've never considered it a priority.

However, I did have friends who have had customers violate their privacy (weirdos knowing their home address, customers sending them "gfits" in the mail, etc). So it's really up to you and how comfortable you feel with complete strangers having access to your address!
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Hi all. Has anyone sent a file with floating particles outside of the lineart to Vograce for printing? If so, what did it look like?
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>>10412211
If you live in a busy area it’s hard to get. I’ve been on the waitlist for a while and as professional/nice it would be to have, it’s an annoying af process
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>>10411537
It's been good to great for me. I think people are being a little irresponsible with their stimulus checks/Trump bucks, but hey, I'm not here to judge my own customers for buying $100 worth of anime keychains.
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>>10412211
Don’t care when I had an apartment, but when you own a house it’s much different. Someone knowing your address for a place you can’t exactly leave easily? Yeah, you’ll need a PO Box.
>>10412221
>>10412857
Apartment/renter confirmed lmao
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>>10412857
>>10413572
when you have an apartment it's much easier for people to not even have a chance to learn your full address. i just use my shop name or a fake name when i ship things and don't put my apartment number on, so returned packages just get put in the package room. you can even just write the post office as your address and they'll give you a slip for it.
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Does anyone know anything about the Honey Lemon GO discord server? I saw some people earlier had thought that a group "Honey Group" might be the one that another poster was saying was a mess so I just wanna check if they're separate or one and the same.
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>>10413572
i'm a home owner. I don't see a problem people knowing my home address.
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>>10412211
I did get mine right away and I don't regret it. I had heard horror stories from a friend who worked at a popular company that they had a fan stalk their PO Box trying to meet them, so I figured it was just safer to do. My early sales were within a fandom that was very obsessive, and as a result a lot of people sent things to the return address, sometimes weird or unwelcome things. I also lived in a fairly large city so when some fans found out I lived in the same city, they would want to meet up with me and be IRL friends. I know some of you will scoff at that and say it's just harmless attention, but it made me pretty uncomfortable, so I never regretted not having that stuff come right into my home, or worse, someone showing up at my house. People have tried. It's just much easier with a PO box to draw that extra boundary between yourself and your business.
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>>10413960
you can't stalk a PO box that easily.
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>>10413966
Lol if the fan was crazy enough they would figure out how.
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The new Vograce site is charging me $4k for shipping, they need to sort their shit out
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anyone hear anything about AWA lately? Last year they sent out acceptance emails first week of June, but I still haven't heard anything.

Speaking of which, what is everyone's conventions plans this year? I have one con confirmed for December, and might get into AWA, but thats it. My last con was about 2 weeks before the everything started to shut down in the US.
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>>10414108
i see the store thing setup, so it's not contact them and tell them what you want anymore?
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>>10411537
I'm actually doing better than ever but it's mostly because I found a prolific fandom/built up an enthusiastic following through it. I suspect people who can afford it have been depression shopping too since y'know they can't go out and shop/are saving money by not going out to restaurants/etc

Gonna be sad when the bubble bursts/we see a worse economic dropoff.
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>>10413631
Honey Lemon Group Orders is the server name. The server is just handled pretty unprofessionally imo, some friends who have joined active orders with her said she’s very flaky.
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So today I learned that opening pdf files in adobe acrobat instead of my browser (firefox) DRAMATICALLY increases print quality.
My shipping labels with my thermal printer never printed small text very well, and I switched to selling on shopify, and the labels are even more unreadable.
But I downloaded the pdf file, opened in acrobat, and now the print quality is crystal clear. Its amazing. I can't believe I never knew this, and im extremely tech literate too. I hope someone reading this is helped by this info too.
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Does anyone here have any recommendations for handling collabs? Like working on a print or charms with other people, when we sell it, should we both sell it in our respective stores?

>>10415288
I have never known this before, thank you!
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>>10415312
I think it depends on if your partner has the same audience/reach as you and shipping logistics. I typically see collabs hosted in one shop and the other artists boosts it on social media so they both don't have to handle inventory and shipping.
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>>10414940
Thanks for the heads up, I think I can already see what you mean.
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>>10415288
maybe switch browsers, never had this issue with chrome
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>>10415312
I do this with a buddy artist, and we both sell and then pay out the other artist their % when an item sells. So it's not my store making more money, and it's all mine. It's we both made this and will be making net what we would have made, regardless what shop it is in.
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What online shop platform would you guys recommend other than Etsy? I was thinking BigCartel since it seems like a lot of other artists use it, but looking at it it doesn’t seem to have a search function (so no marketplace?)
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>>10416686
Most other platforms don't have marketplaces, that's why Etsy has such a strangehold. Storenvy, Shopify etc all work the same as BigCartel, you're responsible for driving your own traffic. If that's an important feature for you then you're kinda stuck.
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>>10416686
what >>10416753 said is very true. Etsy is great for starting out since its easier for people to find you, but once you get bigger, having your own store has a huge amount of benefits. I moved to shopify, so I have no 5% fee and I have MUCH greater customization abilities. It takes a while to figure out how to set up and use shopify, but once I did, its been great. I make some custom made items that are nearly impossible to sell on Etsy since there are 4 to 5 different options, but etsy only allows 2 customization options.
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Does anyone know of a comprehensive list of bad artists (tracing, doesn't finish commissions, ghosting, etc.)? I've been burned bad twice by ghosting with my money, but I'd still like to commision just not with those people
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>>10416958
Try /ic/. Also learn how to open a dispute on paypal, it'll save your life.
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>>10416958
>>10416975
Seconding paypal disputes, you got 180 days to file a dispute. Really if someone hasn't done it by then, they're not going to do it.
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>>10416958
>Does anyone know of a comprehensive list of bad artists
Not sure if it's still up, but you could check out Artists-Beware. It lists artists and questionable commissioners.
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Anyone here make or know where I can get really sparkly and tacky stickers (think Blingee)? Preferably small ones, they'll be going on cards the size of Yugioh cards. Thanks!
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>>10419713
so sticker ninja has a type called 'glitter bitch' that might be what ur looking for? They also have shattered glass holo and dust holo stickers
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Thinking of doing my first table at a convention soon - but I’m stuck on how much stock to take? The turnout for this convention is normally about 7-8 thousand people (maybe more idk) and I’m selling vinyl stickers like die cuts and slaps. Is 400 stickers enough? Too many? Not enough? Any help is appreciated!
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>>10421053
Lol "soon" Anon pls. Soon better mean next year.

Anyways 7-8k is a relatively small con. You shouldn't be stocking too much so it depends on how you're deciding on splitting those 400 between designs. Because you should not be ordering 400pcs of any single design when you're just starting out. As a general tip and reminder, you should google these things. There are plenty of beginner guides/tumblrs for selling at Artist Alleys and it's a good idea for you to learn to be self-sufficient and look for existing resources before asking questions. Doing Artist Alley is running a business whether it's for fun or something you take seriously so you can't rely on the good will of strangers to hand you advice every time you need it.
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>>10421053
its better to have too few things than to have too many at your first con. You don't want to be stuck with a bunch of stuff that you find out doesn't actually sell very well.
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Ngl I know this was posted recently, but how much do y'all make on online sales on an average month?
Or
How much in sales would you consider a good start to selling online?
I've listed maybe 4 items on my store and in the past 2-3 weeks I made around $700 from about 20 sales. It's definitely not enough to live on, but is this a good start? In the past I've only had one or two items up and sold around 2-3 orders a month so the sudden shift feels nice.
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>>10421562
>but is this a good start?
yea, thats amazing. Took me months to start making over $500/month regularly.
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>>10421215
My 400pcs would be split between 8-9 different designs, so no it’s not 400pcs of one design. I have done a bit of my own googling and stock amounts was the one thing I couldn’t find, so I’ve come to a public fucking forum for advice. Thanks for being a dick head about a simple question though I guess
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>>10421727
Don't need to get so snippy anon. I wasn't trying to be rude, I was just being straight with you. The question you asked has been asked several times in the past and even I've asked it once or twice when I first started out after I had googled around and found existing suggestions because I wanted second opinions. You didn't mention anything about having looked around on your own before asking so just trying to give some general advice while you're first starting out. Plus you didn't specify whether you were saying 400pcs of one sticker design or 400pcs of stickers altogether. Not exactly a mind reader here. If you're so quick to shit on people trying to actually help you, you're not gonna get much more by being an ass.

Anyways, not gonna keep shitting on you for getting mad so here's some more advice take it or leave it. Changing up your search terms to be more specific or changing up your wording when you're looking around for info may help if you couldn't find anything.

Googling: "artist alley how much to stock for a convention" gave me most of the results below and more.

Here are some resources that I found useful that address your question.
https://jojostory.net/post/110452410527/how-to-prepare-for-your-first-artist-alley
https://aatoast.tumblr.com/post/87244238379/how-do-you-know-how-many-of-each-piece-to-get
https://forum.deviantart.com/art/general/1863416/
This entire tag on HTBACA: https://howtobeaconartist.tumblr.com/tagged/how-much-to-bring

Anyways, 400/8 = 50pcs per design, 400/9= ~44pcs per design. Both of those quantities I would consider to be way too much for a 7-8k convention (which runs how many days?). I'd recommend something closer to 10-25pcs per design since stickers are pretty cheap to manu.
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This is for those in the USA because things aren't getting much better here:

I'm still seeing people buying lots of stock and wondering if you're doing it for your online shops/online conventions, or are you really still hanging on to the possibility of a convention happening within the next few months?

I've been focusing on online sales but preparing for the possibility of my winter shows canceling.
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>>10422206
The stock I’m ordering is for online sales and conventions that I’m hoping will happen in 2021 as well as prototypes for future orders. Most of the stuff I’m ordering right now are going to take 2-3 months arrive.
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>>10422206
Exclusively stocking based on my online store. I actually got rejected from almost all the cons I applied to this year anyways so this was my plan from the beginning for 2020. I have a decent enough following in my focus-fandoms that whenever I introduce a new piece of merchandise I get a rush of orders (thankfully! I've struggled in the past).
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>>10422328
Good idea. Perfect time to get stuff like that.
>>10422373
Congrats on the online following!

Thanks for the replies. I've been focusing on doing a couple of kickstarters, for this year, too. Probably as good a time as any.
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People who make over 1k/month via etsy.
(1) How many followers do you have
(2) 2D or crafter/fabric worker?
(3) How much product verity do you have?
(4) What are your price points
(5) What ratio of fanart to original art?
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>>10424085
7k, 2D, 9, 10, 25, 30/70
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>>10424085
1. 400 insta 200 twitter
2. 2D
3. types or variations? if types (prints, charms etc) then 2 otherwise
4. 10 - 45
5. 90/10 at the moment.
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>>10424085
1 - 2.5k instagram, 1.5k twitter
2 - 2D
3 - charms, pins, buttons, lanyards, stickers, prints
4 - $5-$30
5 - 80% fanart 20% original art
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>>10424085
1. 400 twitter, 500 insta. I'm reliant on Etsy market searches for the bulk of my sales.
2. 2d
3. 6 product types, but each item is its own listing and I have over 80 of them.
4. $5-20
5. 70/30
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>>10424471
You have 600 followers and you're making over 1k a month on etsy?? How??? That's hella admirable to an unknown like me.
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>>10424085
(1) 24k on Insta, 6k on Twitter
(2) 2D
(3) 5 types
(4) $3-$30
(5) 30/70

I recently started a Shopify store so Etsy sales have gone down, but between both of them and Patreon I’m making enough to live on in a pretty expensive city. I keep the Etsy active but don’t advertise it off-site at all, all my sales there come from the marketplace.



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