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What is your personal interpretation of classic lolita? What does it mean to you? What inspires you to wear classic?

What would the perfect classic lolita meet look like?

What is the most beautiful classic thing you own?

Post your favourite classic coords.
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would anyone be interested in seeing some classic meet pictures?
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I'm always a slut for classic meet pictures
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To me classic is just a bunch of girls who realize they don’t suit sweet
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>>10190349
>people wearing things that suit them is now a bad thing
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>>10165397
Found your other post
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>>10190349
I realize this is bait but lol. Sorry you don't look good in both
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>>10190356
Literally anyone can look good in classic. 60 year old women can look good in classic. It’s the most basic, boring version of lolita. Wow! A print that looks like a couch from the 40s? Revolutionary! Larping as a Victorian lady? Uwu so classy
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>>10190356
Stop replying to bait
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>>10190357
This. I love how with enough effort, anyone can look good in it. I love the florals and the colours in them. I love the attention to detail, from the jacquard to the pintucks to the scallops to the lace. I love the Victorian aesthetic and the Romantic and the Regency.

And yes, classic is classy.
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>>10190333
I adore classic because it is clean, quiet, and minimal so that the silhouette and fabrics really stand out.
I myself am a substyle-hopper, because I love just about everything about lolita, but classic has a special place in my heart. Growing up, the American Girl doll Samantha had a huge influence on my desired style. I wanted to be a spoiled, gilded age princess just like her.
Anne of Green Gables is my other classic inspo.
To me, classic is the style that requires the most attention to detail regarding consistent fabric weights and lace types.
Classic is classy (of course), maidenly, stylish, and gentle.
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Classical feels like an elegant dream inside a house smelling as apple pie and old stuff, with floral wallpapers, porcelain tea cups on the walls and antique wooden furniture.
I like this more than I like the pastel, sugar loaded, loudly cute with usually too many thing going on vibe I sense fromsweet.
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>>10190349
it me
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>>10190344
yes please
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Classic is dressing like an elegant lady from the past, while sweet is dressing like an exaggerated little girl from the 80s. There’s a reason why ageplayers are so drawn to the latter.
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Let's post nice pictures instead of responding to shitty bait.

I like classic lolita because it go anywhere from toned down, to elegant and refined, to absolutely OTT. I love classic lolita because it can have such a DIY aspect that encourages you to look into other hobbies like jewelry making and historical garments. I love how classic lolita examines the finer details, like pintucks and delicate lace.

Man I just love classic lolita.
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>>10190417
You look gorgeous! I love the combination of mint with brown.
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>>10190487
I love the green straw hat
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>>10190403
>too many thing going on vibe
I think this is just people failing at OTT. It happens with any substyle.
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I love how versatile, elegant, and simple classic can be- it is so easy to find gorgeous unique accessories that go well with coords. Pic is one of my all time favorite classic coords. It looks so effortless and feminine!
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>>10190504
Not sure why pic didn't post, reuploading
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>>10190417

If it's really you, I hope you're doing ok! I miss your coordinates
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>>10190425
Can't even tell if this is bait because classic lolitas are bitches towards sweet way too often
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>>10190517
I think they meant "it me" as a response to the comment they quoted (wearing classic because they don't suit sweet), not that they are kavya
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Why does classic make the sweets so insecure?
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>>10190527
Cuz fatties can't fit
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>>10190528
Stop shitting up this threat
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>>10190488
nayrt but it me is just a meme.
that lady has been in the fashion for ages and likely wouldn't loudly self-post to cgl
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>>10190527
I guess it's partly the insecurity that comes with seeing that something you like and do is going out of style a bit. Sweet used to be the big thing for years and sweet lolitas got most of the attention.
There has been a slow shift for a few years and by now classic (and increasingly gothic) are the cream of the crop. Just look at the big events - at Träumerei, there were maybe 10 proper sweet lolitas present, everyone else wore classic and gothic.
In my opinion, there is no need for this kind of rivalry though. Classic lolitas dealt with being 2nd place while sweet as big, now it's the sweet lolitas' time. It will change again in a few years.
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Do you think pic related would look good on someone with short legs and fat calves? I'm hoping they re-stock it, but I've sold the long version of Vampire Requiem before because I thought it looked bad on me.
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>>10190539
Whatever, Angelic Pretty is the most popular brand and classic brands are dead or dying. Classis lolitas should put their money there their mouth is.
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>>10190519
You can't deny the aesthetic overlap with littles and sweet lolita, that's what anon was trying to say.
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>>10190541
You already know your answer, buy it if you love it but it's not going to be that flattering
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>>10190519

Maybe in your fantasy world built by cgl. I've never heard this sentiment IRL and personally I admire sweet lolita but classic lolita is where my heart goes doki doki.
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For u

It's too bad here in the states we can't do this.
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That blue is to die for. More in that color plz
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>>10190357
Go wear your cosplay looking cheap chink doll clothing bitch. This in a non-sweet but sweet sttle and non-gothic but slightly gothic is in my opinion the best lolita. Just because it looks good doesn't mean you should complain.
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What is wrong with both of you? This is fecking stupid.
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why do dumb bitches like you try to exclude older women as repulsive every chance you get? old women can look good in sweet too, just not many wear it because it wasn't around in their time. but I've seen plenty of mother-daughter coords to find it adorable.
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>>10190542
There have been quite a lot of AP styled into classic coords
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oof. that shirt looks like terrible quality with the fraying, as does that corny plastic brooch.
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I wear classic because it makes me feel pretty. Sweet made me feel embarrassed and the length was too short for me. That's just me though.
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I adore the style of classic that takes cues from natural kei. Outfits with longer skirts, muted florals, natural fabrics. Angel Fish used to be my dream brand but recently I've been loving Hakuchosha. I want to try this style someday, my usual style is very generic classic.
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These pics are Angel Fish btw
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Their blouses really warm my heart for some reason
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>What is your personal interpretation of classic lolita? What does it mean to you? What inspires you to wear classic?
Elegance and refinement, whatever your interpretation of it means. I think the joy of classic lolita is that on one hand, you can have very subdued classy coordinates, and on the other, you can very baroque OTT. It's fun to play with the spectrum and have both. For me though, my comfort zone is somewhere in the middle.

Honestly this is going to sound a bit tired at this point but FR and Herajika inspired me to do classic lolita. I remember after getting my babby's first taobao I would stare at their coordinates and long for my dream Mary Magdalene dresses. Little did I know I would achieve them someday, it seemed like a really far reach back then as they were so rare even then.

>What would the perfect classic lolita meet look like?
Like this? >>10190610

In all seriousness a nice tea and being able to actually talk classic burando with my tea mates instead of having people sort of stare blankly at me when I gush about Victorian Maiden/Mary Magdalene/old Juliette et Justine. I did have something close to that recently though!

>What is the most beautiful classic thing you own?
It's quite hard to choose, but probably Valeria.
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The next are Hakuchosha/Hakuchosya. Not 100% sure which the store's name is since one is their website and the other is their IG.
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>>10190541
What??? This wouldn't look good on literally anyone. If it did, they would look better in anything else
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>>10190541
Anon, it looks comfy. Buy if you want to be the world's comfiest person. It's not super aesthetic, and I think you know it's not, but it could still be a good purchase if you get enough use and comfort out of it.
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>>10190539
>Träumerei
That event was full of oldfags. More oldfags wear classic. It's not rocket science.
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>>10191112
Are you being ironic by using "aesthetic" incorrectly or are you just some tumblrfag? "Aesthetic" is a noun, not an adjective.
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>>10191118
I guess when I'm trying to be nice I fall back into Tumblr speak. Haven't even touched that hellhole in 4 years. Time to kms
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>>10190625
Even though they're not trendy anymore I still want to know what Marlessa uses as a base for her crazy floral arrangements
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>>10190618
I love this, can someone please tell me what dress this is?
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Classic is not becoming more popular than sweet, there are more sweet than classical coords in CoF and they receive more attention. Classical brands such as Mary Magdalene are dying or already dead while AP has it full force. What may be happening is sweet-classic gaining popularity as sweet lolitas mature and don’t feel comfortable in ‘pastel vomit’ anymore.
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I don't think it ever really mattered anyway. A lot of lolitas end up experimenting with another substyle, if it isn't sweet-classic it'll be Halloween sweet, gothic-classic, punk-sweet, whatever. The only ones wanting to argue the substyles need to angry at another substyle are the roleplayers with too much free time.
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>>10191153
VM Rose Greeting Series
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>>10191160
>goth classic
Now this is the one I struggle with a lot. The division between sweet and classic makes a lot of sense, with several transition points like sweet-classic, AP's more classic dresses, and IW's sweet prints. But the difference beween classic in the black colourway and atelier pierrot style gothic can sometimes be very hard to tell. I'm starting to think the substyles are more of a spectrum, fuck
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>>10191167
>the substyles are more of a spectrum
This
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>>10190630
wow this dress is gorgeous!
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>>10191237
Meta forever, my dude
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>>10191008
Why?
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>>10191112
Are you saying it's ugly?
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>>10191290
To me, it is very frumpy and therefore ugly. But if you'd be super comfy in it and wear it all the time, then buy it.
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>>10191303

It's ugly in an adorable way like Gunne Sax imo.
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I don't think it's ugly at all, and I wasn't looking for something especially comfy either. Maybe I just have bad taste.
I wonder if I can find this fabric.
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>It's too bad here in the states we can't do this.
Mm what cha mean?
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requesting more women without bangs wearing bonnets
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>>10191112
No offense but this ''buy it if you love it'' kind of advice is so useless. If someone doesn't like the item, they wouldn't go through the trouble of saving the picture and posting here to ask if they would look good in it and should buy it. People should save their money to buy something that actually flatters them.
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あしながおじさん has some Mary Janes that could work in classic. They're full leather and the brand goes up to 24.5 cm.
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Dropped link
https://www.crossroad-shoes.co.jp/fs/ascashoes/3710073
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Yeah, sorry, it's not me, just a photo of kayva. No idea if she still wears lolita or keeps a public profile these days.

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Thanks for replying so quickly anons. I stepped away because of work and when I got back and remembered that it's summer, I didn't feel like replying in the midst of the trolls.

Found a rare classic peachie though.
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It's super ugly. Not in a cute way. I am a grandma's couch print fanatic but I won't wear anything that doesn't have an interesting or elegant cut. I like both edgy Meta floral lacemonster dresses and VM, but this is just actual, unironic frump. Looks like a 90s Mormon Goodwill reject
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>>10191786
Why don’t you appreciate seraphim? Mormon reject is kind of their aesthetic and I love it
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>>10191786
You are absolutely right. it's not cute
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lol I thought this was Yaeji in mori girl/classic lolita. That's be rly cute. Thanks for the dump!
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Loving this thread. I also got into classic in part because of FR’s simple daily style. She doesn’t wear so much of that these days, though. Is there anyone else posting toned down work-appropriate classic?
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What are the most unforgiving brands as far as size goes? I'm kind of a newfag to classic (always been a sweetfag) and was just curious about the sizing.
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>>10192740
Probably Chantilly skirts or Triple Fortune
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>>10192740
Anything unshirred in general unless it's innocent world.
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>>10192744
Do you mean those are the most forgiving? They release a lot of fully shirred things.
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>>10192740
Mary Magdalene is probably the least forgiving because they have almost no dresses with shirring and they’re very tailored, which shows good workmanship but means most dresses really only fit a very specific body: about 5’2”, 24-25 inch waist, A-B cup breasts. I’m lucky to be thin enough to fit their measurements, but there are a few dresses that are too short in the torso for me. Victorian Maiden also usually doesn’t have shirring but they’re sized much more generously, a good length for me but sometimes too wide.
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>>10190823
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>>10190823
>Hakuchosha/Hakuchosya. Not 100% sure which the store's name is since one is their website and the other is their IG.
To a Japanese person, those are the same. "Sya" is just a more old fashioned way to romanize "sha", you can notably see this on older Kodansha books which will say "Kodansya" on the cover.
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>>10193478
>that plunging neck line.
Hinana Queena?
More like Hentai Queen.
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Am I the only one who thinks florals look like shit? They look crowded and granny-ish and old fashioned in an outdated rather than charming way to me. Classic should be elegant, classy, and tasteful, and overcrowded florals just do not fit that description imo.
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>>10194147
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>>10194147
I'm not a classic lolita and I find florals boring. How can you be classic and find it not to be apart of that substyle, though? Florals are practically a staple of classic.
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That was precisely my thought.

A classic lolita who doesn't like florals must be the lolita equivalent of liking literally nothing but fries and ketchup.
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It's not that unusual for classic lolitas to not like florals. Some wear only solids. I personally prefer solid dresses with interesting details like pintucks and nice trims that might get lost on florals (although I do own quite a few floral items too). Some people like the more uniform-looking stuff in classic like military or sailor inspired.
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>>10194147
Yes you are. How the fuck can you not like florals? Unless you only wear solids? Are you allergic to flowers or something? Florals are the most elegant and classy motif ever.
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>>10194484
Military and sailor are themes, not at all specifically classic which is closer in taxonomy to a genre
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>>10194484
No one said you can't like florals and be classic. Other anon said it isn't classic because it's "crowded" and "granny-ish" lol. The shitposting in this poor thread has been unreal.
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>>10194484

It seems rather limiting to have such a visceral opinion like >>10194147 and be into classic. Most people can appreciate a good floral even if they're not into it, so said anon sounds more like a sweet trying to RP a classic lolita to stir shit.
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>>10194492

the shit posting makes me sad and while I know i can report shitposts, has been somewhat limiting what I dump in case some anon with a vendetta decides to shit on some western lolita they happen to dislike for being into boring classic.

Such is /cgl/ these days.
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>>10194496
Post it anyway, please! Just ignore the sweet shitposters. They'll say anything to start shit like "floral isn't classic" lmao.
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>>10194501

Aww thanks anon. Yeah, I get really protective of threads like these sometimes and it makes me go really cautiously, but you're right, shitposters are going to shitpost so I'll give as good content as I can to make this thread good.

I've been looking back at earlier posts on tumblr, and it is making me pretty nostalgic as these were the inspirations for me getting into classic lolita to begin with. I'll post a few.
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>>10194505

Loving the renaissance vibes in this styling by VM.
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>>10194471

I don't think they aren't classic, lol... of course they are! They still are very much a part of classic styles even if I don't particularly like them. OP said "what is classic to you" and I find the elegance and simplicity of "my" classic can be cluttered up by heavy floral prints. To be clear, I'm not just talking about any print with flowers on them, I'm talking Granny's ugly carpetbag style florals. I don't think people shouldn't wear them, I just don't like them and prefer solid prints with pretty details. I guess people don't agree xD
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>>10194513

VM tea party from 2011. I have a soft spot for classic lolita meets.
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>>10194515
>xD
You're to blame for this influx of horrible new Facebook posters, Taylor.
>>10194517
This is absolutely gorgeous. I'd love to see more of classic tea party pics in general. Do you have IW? Is there also such thing as MM tea party pictures?
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>>10194515

I guess what you're getting at is that you aren't a fan of small busy florals? It's different from what you were implying in >>10194147 but I guess I get what you're getting at in this particular post. I had the same issues with last year's VM release of the gobelin JSK for similar reasons.

Also try not to use emoticons, it's generally frowned upon here.
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Sorry for blogpost incoming. I searched for 'innocent world teaparty' on google and I found this. I nearly forgot they had a tea party in Vienna in 2013! Gosh, this brings so many feelings - I hope they attend more overseas events in the future, I'm dying for this sort of thing.
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>>10194518
Thank you for the dump! Your taste is so so lovely!
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>>10194496
>not realizing that if you don't post content because of the shitposters, then the shitposters 'win' and soon all of /cgl is nothing but shit.
the very state of /cgl
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>>10194999

I still post. I just err on the side of caution sometimes (no lolitas of Instagram or recent post types for instance.) I don't engage with shit posters.
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Is there anything remotely close to Mary Magdalene? It seems like they've just left a void and not even taobao has tried to copy them. I just love their silhouette and they are peak classic lolita to me. Which Japanese brand is as close as it gets to MM these days?
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>>10195012
Probably Rosa Bianca, although cgl doesn't seem to like them
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Personally I felt VM was a good enough substitute when MM just fell off the face of the earth. Then they changed styles which wasn't my thing but I think going in new directions can be good once they find their footing. Their new release looks very promising though - the plaid high collar OP while it's been done before is very much a weakness of mine.

Rosa Bianca looks to take a much more literal retro style direction than MM, which was more like pseudo victorian/edwardian/vintage vibes. Their stuff is probably nice and all, but I feel they could definitely have more detail in their pieces. I feel like I could get pic related for cheaper at a vintage store, whereas with MM I feel like I'm getting a design, while inspired, is a really unique blend of inspirations.
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>>10195055
/cgl/ is mostly filled with sweet lolitas, let's be real. The only thing anyone ever cares about are AP releases and it's depressing.

Do you think VM is a good fit to replace MM these days? Some of their pieces look close, but VM really has it's own style.
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>>10195062

I think one of their designers went over to VM from MM, but you're right that they're completely their own style.

MM was much more flattering to me, particularly their JSKs, and I miss them so much.
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>>10195062
Some items are similar like classical doll/whytealeafe, but I feel like VM's bodices are little more high waisted or have a horizontal waist seam which looks a little less elegant

>>10195060
Some is more retro like that, but some do remind me of MM (pic related)
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>>10195065
MM's designer used to work at VM before she made her own brand iirc. That would be weird if she came back on again.
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I just looked at my wardrobe and while I see the trend there, MM's waists seem to be hugely variable and some (like the old school chiffon OP and Morgane) sit incredibly high on me almost to my chest. Appolonia is also incredibly high cut along with a few other of their empire waists, giving a much different silhouette to their dropped waists. I think overall they do have cuts that are very flattering and not tubelike which can be hit or miss for other brands.

That being said, while I can appreciate Rosa Bianca for sticking with it's particular style, it does nothing for me against something like Morgane or Farutetto, or even their simpler floral JSKs that have wonderfully coordinated details like trim and tulle on the bottom. Personally while I can appreciate a good cut, and I do like the bow details here, I really need more details in my pieces.
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>>10195220
You're right, I agree there's nothing quite like MM. JetJ could come close if they tried but they just vacillate between making painting-plastered skater dresses and 10,000 frill monsters. I'll just post some old jetj so we can all cry.
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>I'll just post some old jetj so we can all cry.
Don't do this to me, anon
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>>10195299
Hold me
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>>10195297
>painting-plastered skater dresses
This is my new way of describing modern JetJ.
>>10195299
I'm ready for the tears. RIP older classic detailing.
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>>10195299
And image limit reached so I can't torture you more



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