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Old thread >>10143815

Talk about your dream dresses. Tell stories about dream dresses that you couldn't get because seller restricted selling it in a certain region.
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White only!

My last true dream dress.
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Help
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>>10170545
Dropped email
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>>10170538
>european buyers only
Is this really a thing? I've never seen it.
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>>10170585
it's totally a thing, but more often than Europeans, I see American buyers not wanting to ship internationally
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Release me from this despair.
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Josephine capelet in black
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If candle chan is still around there is a few Mary in the sky with candles dresses up!
Red jsk on yahoo:
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f347707202
Red op on fril:
https://item.fril.jp/460cd6bed3ee3840117e1ea9c556474f
White jsk on fril:
https://item.fril.jp/b63f2088c75f28a2670f86df82143e07
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Still looking for white Paris usakumya.
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>>10170538
What's that white skirt/dress with a goth print on the very left??
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>>10171231
it's Taobao-- ecailles de lune's forest of pipe organ
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Last Meta dream dress
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>>10170585
I really feel like starting to do this, shipping to america is expensive and such a hassle and americans do it too so why can't we?
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Still so sad about missing this dress
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>>10171315
Same but for the JSK. Hopefully some people will decide to sell their MTOs in October.
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>>10171314
I’ve thought about only selling to the US just because it’s a pain in the ass having Europeans bitch and complain about shipping prices. Just assume it’s going to be $50, and if it’s lower then congrats, you saved some money. Maybe I just have had bad luck. I buy from Europeans frequently just fine, but selling is usually a nightmare.
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>>10171314
Where do you live? It doesn't take any extra trouble to ship to America or any other country. It's only more expensive for the buyer.
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>>10171331
Not just you having bad luck. I hate selling to Europeans because they complain about the prices every single time and ask me if I can mark down the cost for customs, and when i tell them it’s illegal and I’m uncomfortable they bitch some more. Sorry I don’t want to commit a crime for your poor ass.
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>>10171331
>>10171337

This.

I started getting really stressed out whenever a EU buyer would ask me for a shipping quote because they would ALWAYS complain about the cost and would ask it to be shipped the cheapest way etc when PayPal doesn't offer seller protection for cheaper options. And those cheaper options aint wen cheap!

Sometimes, Id lowball the pricing, still get bitched at and then I'd have to make up the difference in shipping costs because I'm not an ass who will ask for more shipping $$ after the fact.

Now I don't ship outside the us, on the surface anyways. I do preface it that I'm willing to work with people if they REALLY want the item and realize it's going to cost a fuckton in shipping tho.
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>>10171314
>>10171331
i live in the US and have never cared for the shipping cost desu, if you really love a dress then make it go over the ocean for you
most of the stuff in my closet has come from australia or somewhere in europe and so far those seller are always better to deal than US sellers
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>>10171344
I think it’s strictly a European thing too. I never hear euro sellers complaining about this with US buyers. And on top of that, I’ve shipped to Canada, Brazil, Mexico, and Australia and not once have they ever complained about shipping or asked me to do shady shit like mark their $250 dress down to $50 or some shit.
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still hunting for these babes. pictured cuts and colorways only
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>>10171337
>>10171344
Why don't you put the shipping cost in the description of your listing? I never have this problem. I don't mind marking down parcels either, do you work for the police or border control or something? Lol
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>>10171378
No I just have morals, unlike you apparently. And I do put disclaimers about the shipping cost to the EU on my listings.
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>>10171385
>morals

Yeah let me tell you how internally conflicted I get about writing $20 instead of $100. I lose sleep at night over how I cheat the poor governments out of their economic protectionist taxes and let the poor innocent lolitas suffer by paying less.
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>>10171385
Oh it's you
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>>10171389
Not everyone is okay with committing a felony just because you are. It’s strange you feel so strongly about your crime being okay that you complain about those who follow the law.
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>>10171394
This is hilarious kek
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>>10171389
why is people wanting to follow the laws of their country such a sensitive topic for you?

>>10171394
just ignore it, it’s probably a troll if they still get upset after these posts. but remember that there is a function to let mods know about posts that break US law
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>>10171348
That's not true, I've had american buyers complain about the cheapest shipping method too, because they thought shipping across the globe is somehow just as cheap as shipping domestic.
>not once have they ever complained about shipping or asked me to do shady shit like mark their $250 dress down to $50 or some shit.
Because their countries customs aren't as anal as european ones.
If you ask them to pay with friends & family, there is nothing for you to loose. Legally literally no one cares about marking down on the sellers side unless it's like 20k euros.
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>>10171397
>but remember that there is a function to let mods know about posts that break US law
This is for someone who post cp or murder related shit, not because someone marks down their parcels lmao.
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>>10171412
As a law abiding citizen I feel compelled to report any crime I see.
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>>10171320
definitely inflated but the JSK is out there at least! https://item.mercari.com/jp/m28181837877/?_s=U2FsdGVkX185f4PoYvw_z2EkcOiGRSddoikBdNDj2GgiZntIuC3JA5kL0ABvsb9EakAw3dJginoqLsZOigvt-Zc64_TvtzDnNXDR5bMMl1WGNzIHY3NBheIXjjvw4TNa
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>>10171415
Alright, so let me explain some stuff since you all think we're breaking US law and going to jail for felonies over customs value.

And before I being
>t. postal gull


The values you mark on parcels don't actually mean shit and can't be proved otherwise because you're not a business. The truth is, you're sending used clothes. Even though someone paid you $100 for a dress doesn't mean that's the actual value, because the value is lost the second it is sold from the original business and enters the irrelevant 2nd hand market. You can write "USED DRESS, $20" and that would be just as true as writing "USED DRESS, $200", because it's used clothes and doesn't have a set defined value because you're not the established business selling it. You aren't a business, you aren't engaging in international trade as a business, and that's the only place that it matters. You can literally say "They gave me $200 but really it's only worth $20 because it's a used dress out of my closet".

Theoretically EU customs cause a stink if the item is NWT and they happen to open it for random inspection, but even then the absolute WORST that can happen is that customs revalues the item and the receiver has to pay the tax off of that, not felony charges, ffs. This will only happen if there is some sort of paper work (tags, invoice) included in the shipment showing how much it is "worth", then they'll add a value to it, otherwise it's used clothes of a non-EU protected brand (fashion designers in Europe have protections that can be used, but not irrelevant Japanese thrift clothes)- so that will never happen without paperwork and will be extremely rare with.

If you think you're committing a felony by deciding the value of your own used clothes, then you're delusional.
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>>10171421
Sorry, it’s against the law to lie on government paperwork. I don’t know why you’ve got your panties in such a twist about people being uncomfortable lying on a gov. establishment document, but I suggest you calm down because this can’t be good for your blood pressure.
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>>10171425
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>>10171431
You’re not going to convince me to break the law lmao. Take a few deep breaths and chill. My decision to follow the law should not have you writing novels about it.
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>>10171433
FYI- there's multiple people in the thread, not just me (that was my only reply). I'm not upset/mad at all, just killing time on a train.

But the point is that you're not lying on a document/breaking the law over a used item because values aren't protected and don't apply at that point. If you're a business, it applies. If you're selling something new, it could apply in certain cases. If you're an individual selling a used item that has no protections then it does not apply because value is literally whatever you say it is- there's no "lie" involved.

I'm not telling you what to do at all, you do you- it doesn't matter, but understand that no one in the thread is breaking any law.
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>>10171437
Lying on government paperwork is a crime.
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>>10171415
You're hilarious anon. Do you also file a report when someone crosses a red light? Because that is the same level of persecution marking a parcel down receives, hence why it's so funny you act morally superior over it.
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>>10171445
It’s incredibly dangerous to drive through a red light. You can kill people.
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>>10171445
Running a red light is far more severe and receives harsher punishments than marking down parcels lol
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>>10171446
Maybe if you pass the street blasting machine guns.
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>>10171438
You’re not lying though, because you can value it however you want. You don’t have to write „someone paid x amount for it“.
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I know this is going to be super hard to find.
But will pay a decent price.
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Europeans ask for parcel markdowns not only to pay less taxes, but also because they simply don't want to deal with customs shit such as waiting way too fucking long until the postal service decides to release it from customs. Which you have to pick up yourself because DHL in Germany is too lazy to deliver it for example. Unless you pay extra money of course lmoa

I also ask for markdowns all the time from online shops and SS and nobody gives a fuck. Get your frills outta this salt, this isn't a real crime and nobody cares.
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>>10171567
>it’s not a real crime because my feelings say so
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>>10171567
Don't forget customs are also only open during working hours and weekdays and there's only one per city, so you have to drive through 2-10 districts and then wait 2-3 hours in an overcrowded waiting room just so you can pay 100 euros customs on top of your 150 euro dress.
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>>10171421
The package can only be insured for the marked value. Getting insurance protects the seller, since the buyer can just file a PP claim and get refunded if the package is lost or damaged. If a $200 package is market as $20 and is damaged, buyer gets $200 refund from Paypal, and the seller can only claim $20 from the postal service
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one day...
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>>10171496
yeah that anon is either trolling or actually extremely ignorant and never sent a parcel overseas
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>>10171569
it literally is not a real crime
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>>10171591
Yeah, that’s true. No one ever disputed that. Just wanted to point out that it’s not a crime to value your used clothes at what you choose to value them at.
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>>10171632
It literally is
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>>10171409
>If you ask them to pay with friends & family, there is nothing for you to loose.
Well you’re really dumb then because friends and family payments can be charged back, and then you’re out of money and no tracking/payment proof.

There was a girl who sold a bunch of stuff and convinced people to pay via friends and family and did a charge back on 20 of them. This was near the end of the LJ days. Everyone lost their shit over it. So, beware, being a cheap ass over a luxury fashion could end up with no dress and no money and PayPal won’t do shit for you.
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>>10171579
And at this point, you're better off buying a sewing machine.
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>>10171496
Hope it doesn't get lost or you'll be SOL on insurance. This is a shitty idea even if customs doesn't care
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>>10171715
Wait what...? She doesn’t charge back the payments she received... do you mean that she didn’t send out the sold stuff? Because PayPal doesn’t let you file a claim for friends and family, only goods and services
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All I want is the jetj Bosch dress and the Goya dress. Seen the first on the 2nd hand market once, the second never, fml. I'll give up when I'm fifty, when I intend to start Swedish death cleaning.

In between I keep buying older JetJ dresses here and there, full wool with silk lining, fuck yeah.
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>>10171735
I remember that. I think anon wote it backwards. She convinced a lot of people to let her pay them via friends and family to avoid high shipping costs, and MONTHS after the transactions, she went and did chargebacks on a ton of people at once. Some people had to dig through their sales history to figure out who was even responsible.
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>>10171737
>jetj bosch dress

I hope it gets a re-release, sometimes the chinese tea parties get them
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>>10171745
That would be great, and a rerelease might be more affordable than a 2nd hand market find. The original is all sturdy polyester that will survive a nuclear holocaust anyway, quality shouldn't be a concern.
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It’s been a rough week. Hopefully some dreams pop up soon!
These cuts and colourways only.
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Emily Temple Polka Dot Duck

My final dream item. I missed one on Fril years ago for ¥5000 and now Im salty every time I see it for ¥20000. Any colourway is fine but JSK only.
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>>10171744
Didn't she claim credit card scam as well and shut down the account everything was connected to?
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>>10171715
If they chargeback, their own paypal account will be in the negatives. If they claim it's a unauthorized transaction, paypal has several ways to tell if it is and will ask the seller for information too. If they claim the item didn't arrive, PP will close the case because F&F payments don't have buyer protection. I am talking out of recent experience on all cases.
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>>10171715
You can do chargebacks just as easily if you don't use the friends & family option. Paypal is much safer for buyers than sellers. That's why a lot of European lolitas prefer local payment methods or direct bank transfer.
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>>10171821
I agree that it's generally safer for buyers than for sellers but you can't charge back that easy anymore. Paypal will ask you to justify the chargeback as soon as you login and will inspect your given reason. If they find out, they'll put your account in the negatives, will hire a collection agency and will log all your data so you can't make new accounts.
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Meta Corset Style Velour OP
BTSSB Little Princess Velveteen OP
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>>10170585
I don't understand this. If the buyer is willing to pay for expensive international shipping fees and take responsibility for lost/damaged packages, why not sell it to them?
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>>10171898
I heard shipping internationally from the US takes more time than shipping domestic because you have to fill in a form.
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>>10171898
Europeans are trash and don’t deserve brand
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>>10171898
>>10171906
this but not as a joke. the majority of them are so rude about buying/shipping costs/marking down packages that i just don’t want to deal with any of them
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>>10171906
>>10171898

I am willing to sell to them--I just say I don't GENERALLY do it & preface it with its going to be super expensive because I don't want to deal with people stressing me out over shipping a fucking dress overseas---I don't work customer service for a reason.

The overseas lolitas Ive sold to since I started to do that have all been lovely and happy to just get it.
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>>10171908
How many europeans did you sell to? And how exactly were they rude?
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>>10171903
You do have to fill out a form and it can be irritating but honestly it's not that big of a deal, especially if you're selling something more expensive. I've bought and sold internationally (i'm american) and it really isn't that bad if the buyer doesn't whine about the shipping fees (no shit international shipping is gonna be expensive)
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>>10171934
about 50, and as for reasons, nothing that hasn’t been discussed earlier. entitlement about marking down packages, shipping costs, etc. i finally had enough and stopped selling to them back in 2015
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>>10171934
Nayrt but the only issue with LM sales I’ve encountered in my years of selling is with Europeans dropping out of sales because they bought it without realizing the shipping costs or because I wouldn’t mark something down. I’ve also had Euro buyers try to get me to ship to an address in the USA so they could save on shipping and getting mad at me when I say no because it’s not the one listed on their PayPal and that goes against PP’s TOS/leaves me open to be fucked over.
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>>10171943
How do you know their listed paypal address if they haven't paid for shipping yet (as you said they were negotiating over shipping it to europe or us)?
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>>10171955
Are you stupid? If the buyer is from the EU and asks for USA shipping for a cheaper option there’s a very high chance that it’s not the address on file, especially if they say “can you ship to my friend in such and such state in America?” And you can send an invoice and see their addresss without them paying too. Tons of ways to figure it out.
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>>10171968
Ignore them, it’s just some assmad eurotrash who can’t accept most of the people where they come from are shit buyers
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>>10171940
That's weird, I've sold to about 200 people myself and only 1 french and 3 americans were rude about prices and asked for reductions after they bought the item. Unless you consider simply asking about those things entitled, it sound like you're just incredibly unlucky. I've never had anyone backing out of sales either even if they were surprised over high shipping costs. But then again, I've only been selling for the past 2 years so times may be different.

>>10171971
Idk anon, you sound pretty assmad yourself.
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>>10171980
Yeah no offense but I’m not going to listen to a newfags experience, I’ve been selling since 08
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>>10171980
How is it just one person being incredibly unlucky when there are several anons complaining about the exact same thing?
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Americans hate foreigners and make generalised statements based on one bad experience, what a surprise
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>>10171984
>one bad experience
>people in this thread have said they’ve had dozens

Right. Europoor trash at it again with the entitlement.
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>>10171981
I wouldn't call over 200 sales new but ok.

>>10171982
All I see from other anons is sperging about not wanting to markdown parcels and european buyers who are upset about shipping prices, which doesn't seem like a big deal if they aren't backing out and isn't a country specific thing either, I've had my fair share of Aussies, Americans and Canadians complain too. Yet I see a difference between complaining and straight up being rude.
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>>10171987
Please don't make entitlement into the new meaningless memeword, it's already getting annoying.
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>>10171987
I've sold to 4578994322 Europeans and only had good experiences desu
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>>10171988
Reread the thread to get context. And 2 years in lolita is pretty new.
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>>10171989
It’s been one for a while, where have you been?
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>be me, newlita
>see dream skirt from US seller
>look up shipping cost online, should be around $30-40 depending on the weight
>a bit expensive compared to shipping from my country to the US but ok
>buy the skirt through bin and receive invoice
>she charges $65 for shipping
>ask if she can explain that amount
>she gets buttmad and re-lists the skirt
>leave her negative feedback for backing out and not communicating well
Is it my fault postal services in the US are shockingly expensive compared to the rest of the world?
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>>10171996
I never left, so far it wasn't on par with calling everyone and everything salty, vendetta, bait etc but that seems to change.
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>>10172001
It’s been pretty on par since 2016, I don’t know how you’ve missed this
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>>10172000
You are at fault here, assuming she wasn’t the one to tell you it would be $30-40. I hope she contacts LM mods and gets your false feedback amended
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>>10171943
If someone wants to ship to an alternate address they can just put it directly on their paypal. That way the seller is still covered. I've done that before with UK/EU only sellers, ironically one accused me of being a pain by telling her I was American and had an EU address I would use on the paypal invoice, but she would've never known if I didn't tell her
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>>10172003
It's over a year ago and I haven't heard anything from her or the mods since then. If I was really at fault she could have left me negative feedback but she didn't. I never said I didn't want to pay it, all I did was question the price politely considering I thought she was scamming me (and I'm still not sure if she wasn't).
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>>10172000
Always ask the seller for an estimate before buying if they haven't stated it on their listing. But yeah, that seller was unnecessary hostile and there sadly are a very few amount of people who overcharge shipping without refunding the rest. Sorry about your skirt anon, I hope you'll find it again.
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It’s not the same complaint, but a lot of EU buyers have been rude about my shipping time even though my listing clearly gives a time they can expect me to ship by and want me to ship way earlier. I’ve never had US buyers be dicks about it.

>>10172006
You bought the listing without a confirmation on the amount from the seller, so that’s why you are at fault. If she was charging $100 I could see your complaint, but I’ve had items cost $65 to ship to the UK.
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>>10172000
How do you know it was supposed to be that amount? You used an online calculator? Those are shit. I’ve had them underestimate shipping cost for a JSK to be $40 when it was actually $60
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>>10171994
I did, and I said 2 years of selling, not of being into lolita. Either way both barely have value to what I've said anyway. Point is that those were my experiences and it's weird that they seem to vastly differ.
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>>10171989
Europeans acting entitled and getting called entitled because of it, shocking.

>>10171984
Only one European was ever okay with my policy of not marking down packages. Everyone else bitched about it or begged me to mark down their packages. And if acting like a petulant child didn’t work, they would back out the majority of the time. If you’re not prepared to spend a ton of money for your dream dress, it’s not really your dream dress. That includes expensive US based shipping and customs. Idgaf if you’re going to pay an extra 100€, that’s not my problem.
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>>10172013
You seem to be the odd one out based on the amount of people complaining about EU buyers.

>>10172015
>Idgaf if you’re going to pay an extra 100€, that’s not my problem.

They don’t seem to realize it’s not our problems, or if they do they want to make it ours somehow. It’s mind boggling. Even if marking down packages isn’t technically illegal, which in some places it is, it’s a morally questionable thing to do.
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>>10172009
I party agree but they only asked to explain the price. Imagine you ask a question and the seller just relists the item without explanation or communication, I'd give a negative too.
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>>10172019
The thing is, it probably wasn’t her first time dealing with a European who gave her shit about the shipping. I can understand what she did.
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>>10172019
How is she supposed to explain the price? She doesn’t set it, the post office does.
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>>10172021
By saying exactly what you just did. Backing out after sale is shit no matter how much they hate europeans.
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>>10172025
It’s common sense that the post office sets the shipping price, why would you need to say that unless you’re dealing with a complete moron?
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>>10172025
You need someone to tell you how shipping an item works? What?
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>>10172017
Vocal minorities exist and judging the amount under layers of anonymity and samefagging seems difficult to me. If I am the odd one out, I'm interested why, that's why I asked for details and what exactly you consider rude.
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>>10172030
If you wanted to see what people considered rude why not read the thread to see what they said instead of asking to be spoonfed it directly? You claimed you read the thread but it sure doesn’t sound like it.
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>>10172021
How do you calculate shipping beforehand? Screenshot that shit
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>>10172026
>>10172028
Because post systems are different all over the world? Newlita anon most likely is used to standart prices and online shipping labels.
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>>10172032
By asking your local post office, how stupid are you?

>>10172033
Please give one example of a country that lets you pay whatever price you want to ship an item. I am very interested.
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>>10172035
So for every buyer who asks you about shipping before buying, you go to the post office? Lol
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>>10172035
I guess having an online pricelist for each country and weight is a European invention
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>>10172035
This isn't what I've said but nice strawman.
Some agencies offer online shipping and you can choose one way out of several options. And like I said, a lot have standart pricing you can calculate yourself with a measurement tape and a kitchen scale.
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>>10172017
This is an anonymous board. How do you know for certain how many different people have bad experiences with Europeans vs. Americans? Many girls in my comm are burnt out on selling to North Americans because in our experiences, those buyers usually try to haggle over shipping prices (which are still half of what it would cost to ship from NA to our country btw) and become paranoid and rude whenever a parcel is detained by customs. Afaik none of my NA buyers have ever had to pay customs charges or had anything detained for more than a few days but a lot of them still send me pissy messages about it, as if it’s my fault that customs exist. One tried to leave me negative feedback because her package was detained for two days, but LM mods overturned it.
Maybe we just prefer to complain about shitty buyers amongst ourselves instead of on /cgl/.
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>>10172042
The anon who thinks it's a serious crime to mark down parcels has already derailed a couple of threads. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just her replying to herself.
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>>10172043
There are 44 posters in the thread but Ok
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>>10172042
Stop ban evading and take a fucking break.
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>122 replies
>15 images

Good job staying on topic everyone.
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>>10172000
Did you even read the terms of sale, you dumb bitch? Hopefully the seller messages the mods and reports your false negative. Bidding or BIN means you committed to that seller's terms to buy
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>>10171934
Not that Anon but about 3 and they were rude and demanding. Only the UK lolitas are worth selling to
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>>10172086
The seller is the one who doesn't commit, read it to the end.
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>>10172092
No, dumbass, anon was trying to say you purchasing BIN means you commit and accept to whatever shipping the seller says. You didn’t, you gave the seller shit.
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>>10172092
The seller probably didn't reply because dumb bitch buyer violated her ToS making the sale invalid
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>>10172093
I'm not the original anon and they didn't say in their post that they didn't commit or agree to the shipping quote, they simply asked about it and then the seller relisted it without communication afterwards. OP was a dumbass for not reading the terms or messaging the seller about shipping before buying, but the seller deserves their negative feedback if they relist their item because the buyer asked a question. It's basically backing out of a sale.
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>>10172099
>I’m not the original anon

Sure Jan. There are just a bunch of retards who don’t understand what BIN means posting in this thread I guess.
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>>10172093
She asked a question to the seller, what's the difference between asking if before buying or after buying if she's willing to pay either way? If it was something popular I wouldn't wait for a reply from the seller. People bin because they need to buy it fast.
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>>10172104
BIN means you agree to the sellers terms of sale, including shipping costs.
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>>10172105
Yeah but she didn't say she didn't agree or didn't want to pay it, she just asked about it lol. $65 is a lot for just a skirt.
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>>10172106
She said she thought she was being scammed, sure sounds like she didn’t agree.
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>>10172100
Now you just argue for the sake of arguing. Don't you ever get tired of this? I literally mostly agreed with you.
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>>10172108
If you mostly agreed that means there’s still something to disagree about.
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>>10172107
Because the seller didn't answer the question about shipping and directly relisted it instead, I'd think that's fishy too.
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>>10172112
But anon had previously agreed to whatever the shipping was by placing a BIN bid
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>>10172115
And? See >>10172106
The seller still backed out of a sale after a willing buyer asked a question. That sounds excessive, like they have something to hide and is bad behaviour.
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>>10172130
Anon was questioning the set terms after already committing to them. You must be literally retarded not to understand why that allows a seller to back out.
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>>10172130
This.

>>10172151
It sounds like they didn't list the price and working with your buyer/seller should be common practice. Immediately leaving bad feedback and relisting is rude and uncalled for when trying to communicate.
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>>10172152
You need to learn to read, the seller didn’t leave bad feedback, the dumbass that placed a BIN without asking about shipping and just contractually agreeing to whatever it was did.
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>>10172151
They didn't question the terms, they asked to explain the shipping price, they didn't disagree with them. Asking questions about a purchase is not a good reason for backing out and is a complete overreaction on the sellers side.
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>>10172157
Ah you're baiting, okay.
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>>10172167
>misread something and get called out
>throw in a buzzword on your next post to deflect

Nice.
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>>10172167
Yup, they repeatedly shat up the general in the same way.
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>>10172181
You need a reality check if you think every shitpost is made by the same person.
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Europe anon here, I just wanted to throw in a horror story that happened to me with customs simply because the sender didn't mark the parcel as I told them to. It was a taobao order but whatever

>be me, waiting for the parcel to arrive
>German customs are extremely anal and have detained it
>hear from them once after several days that they want an invoice proof
>this dumb bitch of an SS didn't write the value or the type of item on the fucking parcel
>provide info
>several weeks pass
>I try to reach them, nothing
>we don't have anything that matches your tracking number anon
>wait some more time
>turns out these fucking cretins destroyed the parcel content and sent it back to China

I don't insist on marking the parcel down for saving money as much as I simply don't want another one of these horror stories to repeat, ESPECIALLY not with a dream dress. It's also why I never choose EMS or DHL because it's guaranteed to be caught by customs. The smoothest sailing is tracked Airmail shipping with the value marked under 20€ and as a gift. Besides, this whole law only applies to official businesses anyway and not to private people. For all we know, some kind and generous angel could've simply gifted someone Puppet Circus just because she felt like it. As other anons have said, 2nd hand items don't have any value in the trade market.
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>>10171987
Bottomline for Euros is: never buy anything from Burgers, they're cunts and their shirring is stretched. Might as well order exclusively from Japan and China.
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>>10172406
There are lots of fat european lolitas though. Particularly in France and the UK
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>>10172348
>destroyed the parcel content
Holy shit, what? How? For what reason? That sounds awful, anon!
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WTB: Angelic Pretty Ribbon Ornament- only this colourway

I missed out on this dress a few years ago and I'm still so mad at myself, help
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WTB Dreamy Baby Room JSK in any colourway except black.

MUST INCLUDE the waist ties and detachable star clip. I feel like every time it pops up, at least one of those two things is missing.
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wasn’t someone looking for this
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Whoops, didn't realise there was a new thread!
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>>10174782
I have a story about that Millefluers Standing Collar OP...

>be me two years ago, in Osaka with some friends
>go to Closet Child with friend who is not in lolita, but interested in starting
>going through racks
>she's picking up tons of casual wear stuff, I'm finding a couple nice lolita things
>we grab dress at same time, since we started at one end of rack and met in middle
>I take my hand off of it
>she pulls it out, it's that dress
>my face lights up, I let out a small "omg..."
>she looks at me
>What is it, anon?
>Oh, that's a dress I've wanted for a really long time, I can't believe we just found it
>she gives me weird look, tosses it over her arm with the stuff she's buying, doesn't say anything
>I tell her I want to buy it, she says "I saw it first"
>she buys it, has never worn it, still doesn't wear lolita except for maybe one or two times

Yeah, we don't talk too much anymore... (not from this incident, though). I'd ask to buy it from her but from how weird she was acting and how non-confrontational I am I decided just to call it a loss and keep looking for it. Best of luck to you, anon!
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I think a bunch of people were looking for this

https://item.mercari.com/jp/m28754508964/?_s=U2FsdGVkX19jgBcPWYBYJg54dq9lukmVHzskT6UUpEEPtKfpBaRVxF1dbfo411dgkobCVci99WeZKniMbPCRPnNGQdcdUCg4pdUp1CHgIjfLQ20C8At1qQ32GyXYPz2G
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>>10170544

Found! No longer looking =)
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>>10174979
Congrats anon! It’s on my wishlist too! If you don’t mind me asking, how much did you get it for? I’ve seen the price of that particular cut fluctuate a lot over the years.
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>>10174751
what's your email anon
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Cats tea party :/
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>>10174979
That's awesome anon! I know you wanted to find this before a specific date, did you make that deadline? I hope so.
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>>10173760
No reason other than them being idiots. At least it was just normie shit but I'm still pissed about it. Whenever an item gets stuck in customs I get nervous because of that.
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>>10174992
Thank you anon!!! I paid $800 plus shipping, So pretty average imo. It def does fluctuate tho... I feel like blkxnvy usually goes for cheapest with the whtxblk & blkxwht going for a bit more.

Good luck finding... I have my fingers crossed for you and if I stumble upon it I'll def post it for you!!! <3

>>10175491
Yes!!! Found it with plenty of time to spare (I wanted to for the fall!) Thanks so much anon!!! uwub
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>>10175220
Here you go!
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my old-school dream dress
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https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/lieselotte-jsk-floral-wine

I remember there being an anon a while back looking for floral wine Lieselotte. Did she end up finding it? It's on LM right now!
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>>10174794
your "friend" is a bitch.
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>>10176958
Yeah, a real friend wouldn't pull that shit.
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Not really a dream dress, but a dream postcard? I always seem to miss it! I would really love to find the Cats Tea Party postcard!
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Still searching~! Highest priority is the poodle parade sailor op/headdress in sax (only) and the poison cherry apron skirt in blackxred
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>>10180813
Do you want the matching sax parasol for that dress anon? I have one in mint condition.
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>>10180900
No but thanks anon! I already own one
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>>10180900
I think you ask her that almost every time lol
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what kind of actual fucking friend would do some shit like that? you shoulda put your foot down, anon. you let her walk all over you.
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>>10181360
gdi meant to reply to >>10174794
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Rose prima JSK. Mint only please.
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>>10170544
This comes up only once in a great while but it usully just depends on how much you are willing to offer when it does. Sellers can pretty much name their price I guess.
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where is chick chan cardigan anon?! It's on fril!!
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Anyone looking for teddy motors jumpsuit?
https://item.fril.jp/476565837c185fd1c72b3f47e3d0e315
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>>10180900
Byoku you ask her that every time.
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>>10181726
That’s who this is? No wonder. Byoku is one of the rudest people I’ve ever dealt with on LM
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>>10181729
not 100% sure obviously, but considering she recently popped that parasol up on LM I'm guessing so.
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>>10181721
hey anon, I found pink sugar bouquet OP (w/ kc)
>https://item.fril.jp/2bd81a7ab54ce70014f26a7b431d5e1f

I'll be on the lookout for that blue gobelin rose jsk for you, since the wine is one of my DDs too!
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>>10181828
"Cash on delivery" for shipping... that can't be good.... I was so excited, anons, but I don't think there's a SS anywhere that will allow this???
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>>10181858
Cash on delivery is common anon, japonica does it for me all the time
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>>10181858
Every ss I've used will do this.
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>>10181877
>>10181879
whew. Just put in a request!!

>>10181828
thank you anon, you are an angel!!
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>>10181476
Ah that was me! I just got the pink one not long ago. If the Fril one was a little cheaper I'd jump on that too but my exchange rate is balls at the moment. Thank you for posting!
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>>10181646
i messaged my ss about it before bed last night and they missed it, but dang its inspiring to see it go up for sale
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>>10182023
That sucks your ss must be really slow because this just sold within the past few hours anon
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>>10181885
>no, you're an angel
you're welcome!
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>>10181729
Sounds like a personal vendetta since you keep commenting that
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>>10182384
Stop misusing buzzwords. Lots of people have an issue with her from what I’ve seen commented on here. I will say though in my personal experience she rudely demanded I buy an item that I hadn’t bid on.
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>>10182384
ive come across a seller that states on their listings they won’t sell to byoku specifically. from the sound of it she’s pissed quite a few people off. if you search around her feedback and what she’s left other people it’s not hard to see why.
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>>10182384
This is the first time anyone mentions that seller. Lurk more and learn what vendetta actually is.
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>>10182398
It’s probably Byoku mad that her shitty attitude has caused reprocussions.
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>>10182384
This has nothing to do with her mannerisms but I refuse to buy from her now, the one time I did the shirring was stretched out. It was never mentioned on the listing and I was upset.
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>>10175460
Hey anon, def drop an email. I'm not sure how I'll feel once I get mine, so I'll definitely message you if I decide to part with it.
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Is Classic Fairy Tale in demand right now? I'm de-cluttering and curious.
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>>10182965
Shit, which color? And does it come with the bow?
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>>10182969
wine? And nope.
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>>10182994
Aw darn, I’m looking for navy. Good luck selling anon!
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ctp up for $850 on lm.... lets see if someone gets it
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>>10182418
Def looking for CTP in grey, hit me up if you decide you dont want it :)
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>>10183067
It sold. So this is what the new going price is, huh?
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>>10183900
500-900 is better than 1000-2000 though
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Missed Lady Gingham twice now
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>>10183900
The MTO JUST came out so obviously it won’t be close to retail yet. Give it some time and I bet it’ll drop another 100 or so.
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Angelic Pretty British Bear Special set in pink!
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>>10183922
That colorway is vile. Even next to the yellow
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>>10183924
Each to their own
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>>10183900
I honestly think $850 is pretty low and I think it will only go back up in the future. The dress itself was $438 (just going by AP USA) and let's say you add $20 for shipping. That's $458. That's a low-ball price because it doesn't consider people who had to use a SS.

On top of that, the minimum time people waited for their MTO is 7 months. Selling for $850 is basically saying that whoever sold it only valued their waiting time at $56 a month.

Maybe I'm dumb and I'll gladly eat my words when I'm wrong, but I think it'll climb over $1k again. I certainly don't think it'll ever sell for a measly $500
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>>10183900
Not bad, it took a few days. I haven’t gotten mine yet but I also love the print along with others so have been stalking it all over..
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>>10183900
I think the price will be around 500, becouse it was released on unlimited mdo everywhere, japan, europe and the us.
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>>10184288
> I certainly don't think it'll ever sell for a measly $500

It already has. Recently. You’re kind of stupid. Part of the reason for the high price was the absolute scarcity due to very low numbers originally being produced. But there was a world wide MTO for it, so the numbers are much MUCH higher now.
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>>10170544
upa-ack.
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>>10175536
I see! That's awful, goos luck sith your future purchases!
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Idk if the anon who wanted this got the re release but this cut is on LM
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I don’t know if I’ll ever find this salopette but I at least have some hope for dream sky!
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>>10184719
Gonna fight you for dream sky.
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>>10183922
I want this in the yellow so badly
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>>10184371
"I don't think it'll sell regularly for only $500"
is what I should have said.

Also why the hostility? Are you butthurt over not getting in on the MTO or something?

No one is really sure just now many dresses were produced this time. I'm seeing more and more people saying they wish they bought it. It wasn't cheap and I can see a lot of people flaking out because it wasn't a cheap lucky pack.

It just seems unlikely to me that someone who waits half a year for a dress would let it go for basically what they bought it for. I mean, they'd get their money back, but not their time.

Like I said, I'm fine if I'm proven wrong over time. I don't really care
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>>10184866
I just really dislike stupid people
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Hey gulls, I'm lazy and concerned about mis-marketing my secondhand brando on LM... Would people get mad if I under price things on purpose while explaining it's because I can't confirm if the condition is better then wearable? Or will that make people mad? Someone irl said she thought people might get mad at brando being underpriced.
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>>10184873
Yeah no, don’t do that. Always be sure to accurately list the condition and damages to any item.
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>>10184873

You're not responsible for upholding other people's burando pricing, so mark it at whatever price you like.

What's more worrisome is you not describing the damage accurately. Wouldn't this lead to potential buyers requesting a shitton of info before they buy? And there's the always the stupid buyers who entirely misread your "this might not be wearable" to mean "if you're really picky, there's a tiny pinprick hole nobody can see" vs "this REALLY isn't wearable because the back is entirely sun-bleached out but you can totally still put it on for a photoshoot showing only your front, which counts as wearing it", and then they start hassling you for a refund/return, or straight up open a paypal dispute because you mislead them about how "wearable" an item is.

Just describe the damages and the condition accurately. Price it however you want, if you're only selling a few items people just assume you're rich or desperate. It's only if you're dumping a shitton of burando for dirt cheap that people start wondering where you got them from and why.
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How
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>>10184906
I bet this is typo and they meant $550
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>>10184868
then get off cgl
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>>10184906
oof
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>>10184878
guess i phrased things incorrectly. What I meant to say is is it okay to under-estimate the condition of a piece AND price it low? I did not mean to imply I was going to mis-report the item as better quality. I'm just trying to figure out a way to avoid hassle because i'm a lazy person. The idea came from how Japanese secondhand stores often downplay how good the condition of something is and so westerners tend to be pleasantly surprised at what they receive and have few complaints.

>>10184896
I agree with no supporting some kind of brando bubble. It's just that my friend was really insistent that there should be a maintained value that I thought I should ask here in case it is a shared sentiment. This person also buys and sells a lot so that probably shapes their opinion.
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>>10184906
This extra oof considering the MTO announcement
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>>10185024
it's a different cut at least I guess (i wish they did an MTO for this one though the round JSK is ugly as sin)
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>>10185014

The occasional cheap sale isn't going to affect the market all that much. Only if you're flooding the market with cheap burando will people start asking questions.

If you just want to keep the peace then write down that you need the money for an emergency or something, people are usually understanding that's why the price of something is cheaper.
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>>10183916
how much for nwt charlottes bear? i have pink and blue but considering selling one.
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>>10185058
Probably 300. It pops up for like 250 usually.
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>>10185058
I’m the anon from above and $300? It sold for less than that on LM the few times it popped up.

I’m looking for the OP in blue only.
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>>10185290
There was one that just ended a few weeks ago for a great price..
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>>10185294
I know. I was so busy with work I didn’t have time to look...
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same anon here who has been dying inside over heart sherbet jsk for months now. a kind gull sent me a link a month or so ago, but it sold before my SS could snag it. someone put me out of my misery
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Posting it here in case people are looking for Horror Garden but didn't see it in general; there is ONE Horror Garden JSK in this white colorway on the AP USA shop right now. So if you want this dress straight from the brando ship here is your chance.
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People like this need to burn in hell. This is so stupid.....seriously. that's the price of a cheap car...twat.
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>>10186144
I think it's a "joke" considering someone accidentally typed 5500$ in on it for bid, hence why they had to relist it.
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Please I’m begging for mercy at this point
Magical etoile headbow in navy
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>>10181721
that meta apron is rly cute
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>>10175472
Hey anon- do you still want that Baby collab OP on the left? I got the Tokyo Alice one last month and it’s too small on my busy. If you’re willing to pay what I did, then I’ll sell it to you. I’ll probably list it on LM if not, no use in letting it sit!
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>>10189604
*bust, not busy
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>>10171591
THIS. This is why it makes me uncomfortable to mark down packages. Marking down a $250 dress to $30 puts ME at risk of loosing $220 so some twat I don’t know can save money because her country’s tariff laws suck. Not my problem.
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Don't know if anyone's looking for one, but there's a pink milky swan op on y!a
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>>10189633
Moralfag! How dare you want to protect yourself!
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>>10189633
>replying to a month old post that escalated to shitty offtopic bait
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>>10189604
If that anon isn't interested, I'd love to buy it! I've been searching for it too and missed out on the one on Violetblue.
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>>10189748
Sure thing! Drop an email. I'll send the original anon an email and if they pass or if they don't respond by the end of the week then I'll message you.
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>>10170538
>go to stare at dream dress listing again, thinking about pulling the trigger
>notice seller has updated it to only ship in europe
>cites paypal fees as the reason
>tfw that wasnt there last week and i should have bought it
would it be rude to message asking if i can pay a markup to get it shipped to burgerland? i really dont care anymore, i’ll pay an extra 100 euro if i have to. fuck
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>>10184873
Don't be lazy. Assess the condition correctly and price accordingly. Problem solved.
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>>10190467
You're not losing anything by messaging them
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One day they'll be mine.
I'd take any cut of Candy-chan on a walk as long as they're grey or red. As for Army Doll JSK I'd take red or black. Just wish I'd ever see them pop up!
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ETC Cat's Treat
I know it's like a shot in the dark but please help?
Either the skirt or apron in any color I just really like the print.
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>>10193063
No offense, but there’s something weird about cat food print after so many human food stuff. Although I really like the style of drawing.
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Aye 2 hospitality dolls sold for a steal on mercari
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>>10184873
Wtf? Why would people get mad? That's ridiculous. Just say in your listing "I didn't check the condition and I priced it accordingly, this is a worn secondhand item, I am not responsible for any damage etc".
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>>10193275
Are you retarded? Sellers ARE responsible for listing damages accurately. Anon shouldn’t be selling shit if she’s too lazy to do the bare minimum and expect items/list damages accurately.
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>>10192602
I got candy Chan jsk in grey. What is your throwaway?
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>>10193271
Gem gem just bought one the second it popped up on LM this morning. Fuck you dumb bitch
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>>10171567
bahahahahha DHL in the US will make multiple delivery attempts per day and will just bill you a month later for customs fees (which are rare, btw)
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>>10193346
I heard that DHL is pretty decent everywhere EXCEPT Germany, the fucking irony
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>>10193327
Hey anon, I’ve been searching for this JSK as well - if the other anon doesn’t get back to you, I’d love to buy it from you!
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>>10193271
What search term did you find them under? I can’t find them anywhere. I know they’re sold by now but I was curious to see the price
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Day Dream Carnival Tiered JSK in sax
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>>10193407
Because it's basically a monopoly here, they could spit in our faces and still charge us for it. In fact, they're already kind of doing that.

>>10193602
Under the meta brand tag. It was the black op + the two-piece white set + pins for 45k.
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someone here was looking for meta's cat window dress, right? It's on LM for a good price. https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/metamorphose-cat-door-jsk
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>>10193063
How much would you be willing to pay for the apron style jsk in yellow? I have one but I’m not sure if I want to sell or not. I love the print but it doesn’t really fit with my style.
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>>10175460
>>10183799

http://www.angelicpretty-usa.com/shopping/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=402

ap has some spares. run like the wind!
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Sorry for posting this in the BST thread too. Looking for Trianon OP in black or white.
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>>10195057
aaaaaaaand gone.
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>tfw someone sold their NWT CTP to me last week at retail

I'm so fucking lucky.
bad feels for people who are paying $850 for it holy shit
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>>10195080
How much? I have the black one with detachable sleeves. I’m not sure if I like the way it looks on me or not.
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>>10195247
Dropped email, anon.
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>>10195057
>>10195174
I got one! My search finally ends, brand new with tags.
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>>10194844
Looking for it in black or grey sadly
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>>10194844
>heart skips a beat from excitement
>it's the pink version
Dammit anon, way to get hopes up.
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Desperately looking for this OP in pink!
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I'm curious how the to really frilly brand dresses hold their value. A lot? Does it vary? Not so much? Thank you for any answers on the topic.
Pic related, sold ’brand new’ condition on lace market for $700. But no listing price recorded on library. https://lolibrary.org/items/ap-cross-princess-dress-set
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>>10197205
Did you just find Lolita today or something?
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>>10197208
No but I'm not an oldfag and I do look things up. How do I find the original Prices when they aren't on the websites anymore and the library doesn't list the original price?
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>>10195030
Nayrt but I've been looking for the apron jsk in that colorway for ages, would love to buy it off you. Looking to pay around 150-200 but we can discuss. Please send me an email!

>>10193063
Just sent you an email with a link to the skirt in yellow!
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>>10197214
Nayrt but googling the brand name and the name of the release usually turns up results.
http://www.angelicpretty.com/newarrival/dear_princess_01/index.htm
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>>10195030
AYRT just shoot me an email and we can talk it over
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>>10196990
I swear I kept seeing this come up on mercari and no one was buying it...
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>>10197512
No i'm pretty sure it was a different dress that included crochet berries, and was a later release of a similar fabric.
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>>10197512
Yes, it was like that before the oldschool boom.
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>>10197558
yeah you right.
https://item.mercari.com/jp/m22717534602/?_s=U2FsdGVkX19IQ4gbi1ILYHNUwm9NzKjO9zZEob6xKsEaobjk23tOwvbQnL4JSmeUGxq7nYmRusU7UloJLkC0CE9jMXaFuyq_k5rqXtpJU1SPXV_4ABCvAB874ZlF9nSa
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>>10197461
>>10197258
I’m not sure i want to sell just yet, but if I do I’ll post here/send out emails. Just wanted to get an idea of pricing because I’m considering it.

Having a hard time coordinating it in a way I’m happy with because it’s a little sweet for me.
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>>10170677
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f354876911
If you want to settle for the pink version.
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>>10195247
hey if that anon doesn't get back to you I'm interested
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>>10193450
Sent you an email anon!
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>>10202871
Replied! Thank you!
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I will drop fat stacks of cash for this stupid dress. Total red colorway only, AatP keeps releasing with a white collar and I don’t like it.
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>>10202244
Thank you! I might!!!
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It's been quite a while since they last posted, but there was an anon here who was always searching for the soap bubbles skirt. Someone on depop announced they are going to list it. Their username is purestmaiden. If you haven't gotten it yet, please contact them!
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>>10205675
I contacted them already anon thank you so much!! I really hope I can get it! I hadn't posted for a while due to lack of $$.

Always looking for these, I have the pink Sugar Hearts OP set and would trade for the white JSK set instead of buying too.
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>>10205675
>>10205698
Sadly there was another buyer, maybe next time! Still on the hunt then.
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Release me from this suffering
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>>10208016
Wow, good taste!
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I guess this is the next thread then >>10206230
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>>10208029
Thanks so much! I love 90% of atboz but this stole my heart.



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