Heat is getting high in here.People are wildingPepperoni nipple fellas be making up layersStrap on your chastity belts its going to be a wild rideNo feet worshippers please unless you pay the fee
>>10162194Post your best reaction pics mocking our resident incel
>>10162194You guys still on this damn? Just drop it. We had our fun shit talking each other but now it's getting a bit much. Let's just ignore each other irl mkay? That's all I want.
>>10162455Fuck you. You want to hang yourself online, now we are going to laugh at you online.
>>10162687I don't really care as long as you leave me alone irl.
>>10162713says the guy who couldn't leave anyone well enough alone after he got banned from the discord server
>>10162841You can shit talk me all you like online, do what you want. I'll return the favor if feel like it and shit talk you back. Just leave me alone offline mkay? I have to say this because of the irrational loser teacher and his ridiculous attempt to get a restraining order. Tell him next time go to a lawyer first before filing one. I know it's tempting because filing is free but it's really embarrassing for him and a waste of the courts time and my time.
>>10162855>act like a retard online >surprised when it has consequences You deserve whatever you get man
>>10162857He filed it under the toughest statue to prove. The judge took a look at it and denied it. It's not going anywhere especially with the legal council I've hired.
What the fuck is going on in this thread
>>10162855>embarrassing him >implying it isn’t embarrassing you 10 fold Shiggy diggy Wizard boy
>>10162855>Just leave me alone offline>I have to say this because of the irrational loser teacher and his ridiculous attempt to get a restraining order.Nigga you even read what you typed? He filed a restraining order. That means HE wants YOU to leave HIM alone, online and offline. Something you continue to prove you're incapable of. Never would have come to that if you could have just left everyone well enough alone and fucked off.At this point it's like you're deliberately trying to rile people up and bait someone into fucking with you.
Oh btw. What I'm about to do is not to get back into your shitty discord. I'm done with you people and I want you to ignore me and I'll do the same at conventions.This is to help other people in the community because I believe in Anime Iwai/Mizucons mission and it's staff minus the scummy teacher.I will NOT be attending Mizucon and will most likely also will not be attending Iwai after what happened.
>>10162981>I'm done with you people and I want you to ignore meYou keep saying this like a broken, yet here you still are. Nigga no one wants to bother you. They want fucking nothing to do with you. If you'd just shut up and fucked off after the ban this would be over already. But you just couldn't leave well enough alone and kept harassing people. It's entirely 200% your fault things have escalated to this stupid point because YOU can't seem to leave them alone.You need to stop talking, fuck off and leave everyone else alone already. But we know you won't because you're disingenuous and keep saying one thing a hundred times while doing the opposite.
>>10162865Florida Man in the making
>>10162865Imagine the biggest and cringiest neckbeard incel mf you can imagine[spoiler] multiply that by about 5 and that’s what we’re dealing with here [/spoiler]
Who's going to Mizucon?
>>10163725I haven't gone before but it looks like it'll be fun
>>10163768if you see a bald incel cuban guy in his very late 20's stay away from him
>>10163776It's run by different staff and it's basically Iwai 2.0 so, why not?
I'll be going to Mega to help a friend run their booth. Will probably hit up Mizu and Iwai since I had fun at Iwai the last two years. Looking for more chill cons to hit up anyways.
>>10162194Can someone share the discord link so my horribly isolated friend in Florida can have people to talk to at the con?
>have a vacation coming up>was thinking of visiting an old friend in MiamiShould I try to last second Mizucon? What's it like?
>>10165789https://discord.gg/kdAJ5CA>>10165799It wouldn't be a bad idea. If you have ever been to Anime Iwai expect something similar from Mizucon this year
>>10162883>>10162981Are you funny people into cosplay or lolita? What kind of weird comm are you?
>>10165840Well... the one who got banned from the discord is famous in the incel community if that counts
>>10165801I didn't enjoy my time at Iwai. Hearing this makes me want to skip out on Mizu although I already planned on going.
>>10166195>>10165799It's a party con, if you don't have friends that are going I wouldn't bother.
>>10166195agreed. iwai sucked for me as well
I am in Florida and I am incredibly shy and introverted, I love cosplay and jfashion and I've been to cons before many years ago but not since a while and I'm trying to overcome agoraphobia and get out and make friends with similar interests now What should I look out for? I'm confused about who everyone is talking about in this thread, the incel i mean. Also, is friend finding allowed here? It would be really pleasant to meet local people. I'm in Jacksonville..
>>10166398Apparently he’s some late 20’s cuban dude. Just ignore all discord drama, nothing good ever comes from mixing 4chan and discord
>>10166202>>10166339>literally mentions in the post going to town to see a friend
>>10166398Hey, don't listen to the other dude about the how mixing 4chan and discord doesn't work, we honestly have a nice and growing community.https://discord.gg/askuUb
>>10166856Thank you kindly, I joined!
>>10162194Why is this in CGL? Seriously?
>>10166880Florida generals have been going on for ages
>>10166880Isn't it a thread about Florida cons?
>>10167041If it's full of drama and people slinging shit at each other then it's probably a FL thread on 4chan. Just add a few of the ever popular buzzwords like "Tom Croom", "Metrocon", "Broder" or "Supercon" and mix with people complaining (usually about the cosplay contests), arguing about how a particular con sucks (and they're boycotting it but still going) and asking why there are so many cons in Florida (then whining that they don't have anything to do). Welcome to FloriDUH.
Patiently waiting for someone to post print outs for megacon
For anyone trying to sneak into Megacon this year, be careful my guys. The Security, from what I've seen anyways, is super fucking tight, amazingly compared to last year. I'm helping out a guy here and he straight up said they have SWAT teams in the back of the con. I haven't seen any open spots where you can just walk in, because most of the areas I passed had people in front of them. Plus they're doing this stupid shit where you have to scan your pass at a checkpoint, wtf. Just keep aware of your surroundings and hope you can get access to a door someone opened on their way out away from a checkpoint is what I can suggest.
>>10166856>>10169185Please send another link
>>10171564Good for mega. I’m glad they’re upping security
>>10166398(cont)...but I'm from in Austin..and also a few minutes out of Jacksonville.I don't consider being in the gay community at one time a "big deal". When I was younger, it often was, but now that my age is on top of things, my perspective has changed and so are many of my friends or co-workers. I'm sorry that i haven't talked to anyone much in the past couple of years, its always interesting going back to places I've never visited as well as places I think I know but i don't.I live in the US, although I've been living in Spain for the past couple of years now. For the past 3 years I've taken a vacation to Hawaii with my friends and family. It seems like a great place to relax and do things, and we have lots of free time to do so. But one of our favorite parts of Hawaii was seeing the stunning scenery from my vantage point! I've never been up close to a city before, so the entire thing seems unreal. When you're a city goer of the island you spend too much time in bars and clubs n Barcelona.Cociaine is a problem in Spain thesedays where it becomes difficult to leave because the authorities are not interested nor want to deal with it (like in the city of La Cadiz ).Cociaine is a crime problem in a very small proportion of the Spanish economy , but is a problem in most (see here ).The reason why Códeca has become a hotbed of Códeca in recent years is that people are now using Códeca to leave the country and to escape serious corruption and civil war .What happens when people can leave and return if corruption and civil war go on? This is what we have here in Catalonia. And it is what we are seeing with Códeca the other day. There are huge numbers of people who don't want to leave but are waiting, hungry and suffering. The number of people who do want to leave has grown exponentially, and it is now a big problem the entire Spanish state - which is supposed to have been in charge for much of the first half of 2002-
>>10171564Maybe don’t be a poor fag
Mizucon is next weekend. What’s y’alls lineups? Any good tea?
>>10171927I'm going. Probably gonna spike my tea and wander around if I get bored instead of just bailing my group.
Oh, I forgot to post about organizing a Megacon meetup ... oh, well.
>>10166414Eh...there's some good people in there and some people that are legit horrible. Like everything in life it's a mixed bag. You just have to be careful.
>>10173002I don't think any of them in there are good people, honestly.
>>10162194we didn't start the fiiiire
>>10171927Going for mostly for mizustars. Probably cosplaying some casual idolshit and carrying drinks in my water bottle. It's not going to be a huge con, I'm just happy to see its alive again.
>>10166856do you have another link to the discord?
>>10173299nah fuck off
>>10173299Here you go https://discord.gg/DmHyxXQ
>>10166856>>10175118Seriously? The one time I need to get into this server that I've been hearing about forever and the link is broken? Come the fuck on whoever runs this server should be ashamed
>>10176416Can't really blame them with all the drama that has gone on.I don't see what they're afraid of though. It's just one autist that has fucked off for more than a month now.
>>10173185Mizustars seems like a great idea but who the fuck are the judges?? How were they chosen ????
>>10177343Probably being friends with staff. They're not popular cosplayers or well known performers, so they probably just knew someone on staff.
>>10175015Damn Sergio, that ain't even me.
>>10178370>hiltonAren't you the idiot that threatened to shoot up Mizucon?
>>10178386Why do you keep bringing up shit about them. Like shut the fuck up man.
>>10178386>thinking we don't know that you posted about shooting up Mizu and got banned for it
>>10178386>Friendly>You>Friendsthat would be a first
>>10178370>arguing with a dude that has a night king profile picture
>>10178401he thinks he's jon snow he's going to go to mizucon to slay some white walkers
Enjoy your Mizu everybody.
Anyone know what happened at Mizucon? Doki Doki is throwing a pity party for herself on insta about it
>>10179463She lost and always gets sour about it.
>>10179473Oof sorry that was me. I see losses as personal failures and am mad at myself for under preforming I think I’m allowed to be upset as anyone is. I didn’t intend to throw a pitty party for myself and I’m sorry if that comes off as that. I still congratulate all the winners
>>10179506How did you sincerely expect to win any awards when you clipped pink hair clips to the ends of your Miku twin tails and had a poorly fitted costume?Before you go adding unnecessary lights and embellishments to your costumes maybe you should go back to the basics of garment construction and wig styling.
Mizu was as much of a disappointment as Iwai. Should have stayed home. I'm tired these cons being hyped up. It's always the same exact shit at these events. Do you guys actually enjoy this bullshit?
>>10179545Will do :)
>>10179574They were alright. I wouldn't be expecting much difference between them. They're run by the same people. Iwai should consider moving into Mizu's hotel though. If you're looking for something with more to do, try Supercon or Megacon. Anything done by the Iwai staff is going to be small and based around room parties.
>>10179506So Doki, why are you being a creepy weirdo copying Saraspaceman and her "dont want to talk about it" picture
>>10179506You honestly seem like a nice person, Just keep doing you and you'll get recognized for your work one day :)
>>10179581Where did your Instagram go?
>>10179506>>10179581I just want to say that I really admire your crafting, your an inspiration to me. Don't let the haters get to you
>>10180111Remember to turn off your name if you're going to samefag darling
>>10180111you actually need to get some help and take a break from being online. If you think that people don't like you for no reason, you're being absolutely dense. Actually learn from your mistakes instead of acting like you've never done a thing wrong and you're an innocent party, then maybe things will go better for you.
>>10179506Okay, discount Sarah Spaceman. You don't just steal other people's cosplay ideas, but you steal their IG stories too? >>10180111You don't just embarass yourself every time you get on stage, but also every time you post online too huh. Doesn't matter whether it's instagram or here. You did yourself a big favor by deactivating your instagram. Please drop out of the competition scene while you're at it as well
>>10180111/cgl/ never fails to deliver lmfao
>>10180193Yikes, what a disaster.
Mizucon was great this year. Great events, great venue, great staff. I know some of you lurk here so good job I had fun.
>>10180111Holy shit I didn't even fucking notice
I really don’t care what any of you have to say. I tried to take the moral high ground and ignore you all but clearly you think that’s me being intimidated of you. Like me or don’t like me I really don’t care. Your words are irrelevant to me.
>>10180602And that’s why you’ll never learn.You can’t take the moral high ground where you’re on here and trying to compliment yourself to feel better.
>>10180602Sigh. Doki, I don't even hate you, but you have A LOT of growing up to do. Please get help and stop using your mental illnesses as a crutch.
>>10180656>>10180657Will do I’m actually in therapy to get help. And FYI I didn’t post that compliment as much as you’d like to think. You do know anyone can use the name Doki Doki cosplay believe it or not
>>10180602Doki, you are such a sore loser. Your head is so inflated that you think you’re the best and when you lose it breaks you.It’s frustrating when you claim to be a professional when literally all of your dresses are the same shape with ugly fabric choices. Not to mention you couldn’t even get over 300 followers on Instagram because of your reputation and crappy builds.Also frustrating that you have a history of cheating at cosplay competitions and that you’ve been banned from certain cons because of it.You’ve got a cat as a fake support animal because you just want to parade her around.And you are way too sensitive to be online. You need to have a tougher skin.
>>10180664How do we know that you’re you thenProve it
>>10179574Dude its a $25 two day con literally what were you expecting?
>>10181062That con isn't even worth $25 for the weekend
>>10181188Why not? We have virtually no cons in miami anymore since animate and paradise left (not counting tiny ones like hero hype etc.), and supercon is expensive as fuck for just a big dealers room and costume competition.Mizu had a ton of events, great photoshoot locations, and they even gave out free food at some point.I just wanna know why you think it wasn't worth it and what makes a con good in your opinion.
tfw mizu was your first con & you enjoyed it
>>10171722>>10172144I'm glad I'm not the only one having a stroke here. What the fuck?
Are there any good soflo cons for a first timer?
>>10183475If you like parties/laid back events, Iwai. If you want a huge con experience, Supercon. Most of the midsized events like Animate and Paradise city are dead, so those are honestly your only real options if you're east coast. I'm in Miami so I can't speak for SW Florida.
>>10183475just go a couple hours north for holmat
Anyone coming to Supercon this year?
>>10186601Yeah I'm curious how its gonna be with the NYCC guys running it.
going to metrocon for the first time this year, is it considered a party con? just wondering since i never hear a lot about it outside of the central florida circles.
Winning does feel good.
>>10187126How much were the lawyer fees :3c
>>10187126Feels even better knowing we're safe.
>>10187129Cheap but more than you can afford
>>10186601Ye. Prob just gonna drink up, buy stupid shit and attend the small panels. No big guests are appealing this year.Any meetup planned? (Also what’s the discord, didn’t even know it existed lmao)
>>10187211Why is her address on that shit dude that’s fucked
>>10187233obviously she wants you to cum on her tits
>>10187262 No you won't. Because you cant keep your damn mouth shut.
>>10187293Im pretty sure the case would be re-opened if you show up at a convention that the person getting an RO against you is working at according to the judge. So you aren’t exactly “free”
>>10187339He also told you to shut the fuck up. Something you are failing at right now.
Wow this guy is an idiot.
>dismissed>without prejudiceit was a long 2 hours & those wooden seats were uncomfy as fuck
>>10187126I don't think being banned from 3+ cons qualifies as a victory, but okay>>10187135>CheapHe definitely made that obvious in the court room
Hi ozeu will you be my daddy uwu.
>>10187463This is not ozeu you trolling as fucker
>>10187430>Calls other people simple minded when he can't even communicate with the opposite sex like a normal functional member of societyI know you aren't talking about yourself when you say grown ups because even elementary schoolers have at least held hands with a girl
>>10187777Tbh I do hope for your sakes you pull your lives out of the gutter cuz that's where most of you are at right now.
>>10187814you barely knew shit about anyone there you just made assumptions and you've proven that in previous posts you've made instead of worrying about other people's lives you should worry about your own
>>10187777Stop talking shit about Sergio gosh
>>10188657i dont think they can fix planets. or other large astronomical objects
>>10188657who are you calling fat, pal? your gut was hanging out over your dress pants lmao
>>10188762bro just because you didnt get to see her feet aint a reason to sperg out & call someone disgusting.
>>10188772I mean how would you expect someone to act around you after stalking,creeping, talking behind their back & dissing their entire hobby & everyone involved after getting rejected.
>>10188772>gets rejected>"y-youre ugly and fat anyway!!!!!"Have you like seen a mirror or do you just not own any?
>>10188657>>10188675>>10188764>>10188772>tries to insult people on their looks when you've looked 58 since you hit pubertyyou keep talking shit about women's weight after hitting on them and getting rejected it's sad that not even these so called "planets"/"blobs" would want to touch your disgusting virgin incel ass with a 10 foot pole you've reached a whole new level of virginity that could not be achieved by anyone other than yourself you are walking (barely), breathing, female repellent. you will die alone only knowing the vagina of your mother which birthed you
>>10188788imagine only being able to shit talk behind a screen but not to peoples facesgrow a pair and stop hiding behind your mommy, incel
I wish this thread would never end
>>10188799nice assumption but wrong person
>>10188784That's a big reach my dude.You need a life transplant.
>>10188809NGL ozeu that's fucking hilarious thanks for making that.
Ey yo ozeu i hear ya mom got sum dayum sexy feet give ya $250 fo pics
>>10188815welcome to the second grade, ozeu
>>10188809Okay, "Ricardo 'after my thighs got cut up, my lawyer told me to shut up' Barban"
>>10188826these comebacks really arent helping you lolstop acting like a 5 year old
Name drop me a fucking gain while I’m at work. I haven’t done shit to you, but now you wanna pull some shit on me you fucking coward, I’ll send you into oblivion.
>>10188838damn ariel chill we all know where threats go
>>10188832In a self defense situation...
>>10188842pfft pls. shit talking each other on a mongolian moving tapestry board is fun but nobody want that irl
>>10188850why do you have to start with the best one? start from subhuman.
>>10188850>>10188851>>10188854This man out here looking like a human crossword puzzle
Crawling in my skin, these wounds they will not heaaaaaal
>>10188859idk about that one, they look pretty shallow
>>10188851I should have it didn't scar.
>>10188860tfw thots on tumblr cut deeper than a 28yo pussy incel.
>>10188850>>10188851>>10188856>>10188858Can I make a request?
>>10188863how much you going to pay me?
>>10188864hit an artery next time pls
>>10188862pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis, this is my request, but also deeper than the previous ones
>>10188865damn even though I don't like ya I don't wish death on ya poochatjust for you to gain some weight and fix yo chin
>>10188864i'll pay you in feet pics, but i need results and i need them now
>>10188868also carve your mom's name because she's the only woman that will ever love your ass
>>10188866but that ain't funny or meaningful
>>10188872that's actually not a bad idea. I love her to bits so I might just do that.
>>10188873>implying any of the stuff you carved was funny or meaningful to begin with
>>10188876you got to get more creative than me. pneumowhatever just sounds lame
>>10188878what a chicken lmao
>>10188870nah fuck that pay me cash and we have a deal
>>10188878as if trash is creative like who are you? billie eilish?
>>10188875i thought you said you wanted something funny and meaningful?
>>10188881nah im the nigga with the moneyhmm delicious
maybe I should carve poochat cuz that shit is still mad funny
>>10188886i mean billie eilish has more money than you ever will, but okay. i guess you'd rather keep being a bald virgin incel. i guess you're living proof that money doesn't buy happiness because you couldn't be any more miserable
>>10188894>miserableknot with the raise I got today lmao
alright looks like we done.shit was fun gals and gays. stay frosty
>>10188916mommy is tucking you in now?
>>10188839Unfortunately for you, you can’t even figure out where that threat can even go. Unlike how you state defending yourself with guns is probably the best idea. It’s nice to see you lie and cry behind an anon name all day, because you’re so damn salty that you couldn’t win your case. You sit here like a little attention whiner, and yet get roasted all day. It’s easy to imagine the sad little face you have on, hoping someone will take pity on you.
Imagine wearing crocs in public and thinking you have the high ground over anyone at any time ever
Say it with me >A B U E L A S. I N. C O U R T
Ozeu: I propose a motion to have the non essential discord members removed from the court Judge: Denied Ozeu: Rejected again why don’t women want me I’m going to die alone
How come >Says Lolita’s aren’t human I can’t>throws only friends he had on discord under the bus even >self harms like a weirdo get a girl to like me >is awkward at every irl discord meet and makes no effort to get involved in discussions and wears fucking crocs like a 60 year old or an aspie I’m >passive aggressively wants pity from everyone Gonna die >Says he’s sooo above us and done with us yet makes several alts to spy on us Alone >Offers to buy used shoes from cosplay girls
>bald chunky incel thinking he's better than anyonekekI wonder at what point during the trial his mom started regretting not getting the abortion.
Awww man the fun has stopped
>that feel when you have a crush on a cute girl who you share the same community withits a surreal type of feel
>>10190244Best of luck to ya anon. Don’t be like the creeper incel stated here, touch up your best cosplay, take a shower and slap on some deodorant and put your best foot forward!!
Thinking of moving to Florida and came here to ask about the comm....Guess my questions are answered.
>>10190446Be sure to use /cgl/ approved Irish Spring soap and deodorant
>>10191572I use dove now -.->>10191462LMAOglad i could help
Oh btw, whoever made this post...I got contacted by detectives that this was reported by multiple people....so they're taking it seriously.I have nothing to hide, but I hope you were behind seven proxies. My advice, hire an attorney and rub dub dub that butthole for bubba
>>10191673yikes, guess this is what happens when someone is out of the pp cage for too long
So does this mean no one at artist alley is allowed to sell stickers? People on Facebook are freaking out over it.
Does anyone have a discord?
>>10191770sounds like some typical florida pic related
>>10191657>I use dove now -.-too bad not even dove can help you wash away that shit personality of yours
>>10192066Nah the main community uses Skype sorry
>>10191657Use dial, not dove you you cheese dick smelling mother fucker.
>>10192066Yeah I’m hoping for a link to be dropped too, it’s kind of shit having a FL thread when 90% of it is just discord references/drama and you can’t even join in cuz they aren’t posting it.
>>10192406They're not dropping it cuz of me but....I have no interest in joining and I wouldn't be able to speak much if I did.
>>10192406I mean we had an active link in the FL general threads for over a year i don't know why you'd care to join now and not then but okay
I’m planning on embarrassing myself at Florida Supercon because I have zero interest in AX and I find I’m getting more into normie capeshit. Anything to expect, besides disappointment?
>>10192456You do realize that people come on websites on different times right, so someone might be a newfag to cgl or having had taken a break from 4ch in general or just not bothered to check till now. I personally just moved back to Florida so I had no reason to really be active in the Florida threads till now. Broderposting or Holmat is the only good con posts do get stale after a while lol
>>10192459It’s very much a what you make of it con. Big dealers room that takes up the most of the con, some decent panels, especially smaller ones if you aren’t big into headliners. A big plus is now it’s back in Miami Beach so if you get bored you can fuck off and hang out at a bar or the beach or something for a bit.
>>10192459If you're into normie capeshit then i don't know why you'd be disappointed in supercon
I saw that the only Discord server for /cgl/ in Florida is closed or a secret club circlejerk, so I opened a Discord server for anybody to join to discuss /cgl/-related topics. The server is Florida centered, obviously, but if you live in any of the surrounding states or often come to Florida we would be glad to have you. Not like you need to prove you're a Floridian to join anyways, haha. https://discord.gg/d6yK6zV
>>10192486Well they do filter out incels on the other server.
>>10192530We also ban incels, but we're accessible to the public. If you're new user having a hard time joining the other server, we will kindly welcome you. Btw, you don't need your server to be closed to get rid of incels. They out themselves pretty quickly.
>>10192486>I saw that the only Discord server for /cgl/ in Florida is closed or a secret club circlejerkDiscords will always become circle jerks because it's how the service is made.People meet others in person in that server and moderate vetting is required.Problems arise if you don't make the proper precautions (Ones that we've already run into). I'm in two other Discords of the same nature, shit happens the same way: Well adjusted individuals get on the vetted server by picking them out of the public server, and the outcasts or socially inept make it into the public one and stay on there.Happens every fucking time. Thanks for doing the hard job.
>>10192465Oh, with all the shit /cgl/ talks about MegaCon, I assumed it was similar in scope.
>>10192547Yeah, the incel claimed to be a mod of your servers. Was the incel actually in a position of power?
>>10192590To my knowledge he was never given any high level or administrative roles.The incel claims alot of things that isn't true. Shocker!
/sp/ poster here.My girlfriend wants to costume at a convention eventually and we were thinking of just walking around either Metro/TBCC common areas without badges for inspo n stuff before going to like Sparkman Wharf or Armature Works or the Aquarium to spend our day proper. Does this still work for either or both of these cons? I know some cons need badge bracelets even to walk around outside the rooms these days.
>>10193976Idk about TBCC but metro doesn’t allow lobby conning.
>>10193976Do metro, TBCC was a shit fest last year, and I’m not your average gull I LOVE capeshit. The only reason to even go last year was because the Optimus prime truck was there. Was ungodly hot, prop check was OUTSIDE and like other anon said there’s no lobby con-ing it here
>>10194026You can't lobby-con at either of them, plus metro is now doing bag checks more often
>>10193999>>10194026>>10194058Thank you friends. A single day pass isn't too bad, like $35 or $40 anyways. I'll try to avoid TBCC haha