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This thread is for ouji and aristocrat (aka "boystyle") discussion. "Boystyle" is shorthand for "boystyle lolita" and refers to the masculine counterparts of lolita and, often, aristocrat fashions. There is a lot of overlap between these styles, and different people use different terms to describe them. So, consider this a thread for those whose style is on the right half of Buttcape's Lolita Family Triangle: http://www.kawacura.com/moripress/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/0dmmLH6-350x350.jpg

>Shopping spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j7sg2_7CvXUeIgZGGSLvJ9lUUuSVXhW8FlWWFwiv1Yk/edit?usp=docslist_api

>Buttcape-sensei's shopping guide (mentions which brands/shops have men's or custom sizes):
https://drive.google.com/open?id=12fA-VA2PkRctKPlYFsT3GnIba-Ytdt-RArDfLw0Bba4

>Blogs for current boystyle releases, news, and info
buttcape[.]blogspot[.]com
https://www.stephano.me/the-new-ouji-overview

Google your questions before asking them here.

Read the whole thread before asking questions here.

OC and selfposts encouraged! Random picspam discouraged.

Discussion: Is Buttcape our only resource now? Are all the other blogs dead or out of date?
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here are some recent coords from Japanese ouji. what do you think about trends there versus in the western community?
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>>10153501
they seem to have more taste

fewer sets, more individuality
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>>10154063
if only they also had clearer coord photos
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>>10155268
anyway here are some more recent coords from Japan
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>>10155271
much more ozz on is used by Japanese ouji
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>>10155272
as well as Algonquins and other punkish brands
>RIP Algonquins
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Love
Is she on twitter?
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>>10155314
that is actually from one of the official Ozz Oneste Twitter accounts. i think it may be @ozz_sinjuku (not a typo).

>pic semi-related; Ozz On goofiness for your amusement
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>>10156051
and if you would like to see ouji on less thin shop staff, here are two staffers from @ozz_sendai

Ozz staff have some very creative coords which usually fall outside the bounds of this general, so i am glad whenever they present an ouji look.
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more Japanese coords, now with sources

>@nontan_0v0
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>@yotsuba0212
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>>10156071
they did a goddamn referee coord. go follow them
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AATP has creative new neckwear for ¥4,536 in different colorways, including pastels. this is a good change from the usual jabots and hyper floofy bow ties
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>>10156069
I like this type of comfy ouji
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Japanese ouji instagram coords lately

>@tsubaki_misakiyama
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@n6h9k
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@hitohen
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>>10156595
I love these bows, I might try to make some myself.
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>>10156773
it seems like the sort of thing that would have made a useful pattern in the GLB
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>>10156620
@tsuzu_ku
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@sin_delphine25
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@kyoukigen
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>back on Twitter
@Jiro_u3 being perfect as usual
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@maronn_no_roman
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@moitie_official

>tfw the God and Queen of /cgl/ appear in the same photo

what a time to be alive
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>>10157474
@a10023034
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Moi-meme-Moitie blouses in men's and ladies' sizes to be released April 27. candelabra buttons, black and/or white colorways, 17-18,000ish yen
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>>10155268
that's another part of it that feels.. more genuine. they're not doing a photo shoot to show off their costume, the person in that photo went to some place and took photos of the fancy chairs, bouquet and bird, and then just a selfie. they're the same photos a person would take in any other outfit. this is someone who wears ouji commonly, not as a rare spectacle that needs to be recorded for all to see. i can certainly appreciate that.
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>>10157474
But pixyteri isnt in that photo..
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>>10156069
I love the look of these longer, bigger bloomer style pants. A lot to westerners try to make ouji look as sweet as possible with tiny bloomers and it can just come across as age play stuff
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>>10157564
Mad as fuck that the ladies' doesn't come in bxw
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@ren_kouduki_xxx
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@riku_shh

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@ginta_lemon

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>left
@arabesquepp
>right
@nilco27

these two often do amazing coords, but not strictly ouji. however, Left does much more ouji than Right, who mostly does lolita
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@KamijoMana
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>2nd from left
@GabrViOlet

cosplayer, Abilletage model, and occasional ouji
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he has a cool tweet with photos for long hair inspo: https://mobile.twitter.com/KamijoMana/status/1105480983409643520
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@Lily_Sofya
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@yushiibuki
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@yui_blackrose
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@6x6Biscuit
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>>10157761

Nice b8 m8
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Where can a Western guy find EGA clothes that fit?
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fan+friend/taobao/diet/ikemenmode/sa designs
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If you are an EU size S everything men's size will fit, if you are an EU XS you will have to get things tailored down and will most likely fit into most masculine cut lady sized items, look for older MmM around 1999-2003. If you are an EU M or up then go for >>10158902
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figured i would have better luck here than the bst thread
WTB Rosier Mariage Mantle
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this is from MANABoo. i think creative hat design is a field oujis can get fully invested in. we do not have the prints or the range of headwear and accessories lolitas do. what else can we exploit for visual diversity?
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>>10159087
Thank you anons
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Guys, I'm in Tokyo. Where should I go for ouji shit?
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closet child
kera shop (has multiple brands)
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if your hat doesn't have a ship in it, are you even trying?
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holy shit, I dread to think how expensive that hat is
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Hey any #diyoujis here have a short/bloomer pattern or a pattern you use and/or edit for a ouji silhouette that you can throw my way?
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>>10162962
Basic bloomers: http://www.antipope.org/feorag/gosurori/bloomers-pattern.pdf
Obviously add trim, cuffs, waistband etc. as desired.
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God I love a lot of this shit
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it loves you too, anon
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>>10162962
you won't believe what i just found.

tap "download fabric patterns" for free 18th century macarouji historic breeches. they are the very last page of the PDF. there are also waistcoat, jacket, and zoot suit patterns
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>>10163162
fucking forgot to paste the link

https://www.lacma.org/art/exhibition/reigning-men-fashion-menswear-1715-2015
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>>10163164
Screw the macarouji, I want to make the pajamas that are essentially a giant diaper with leg holes.
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>>10163143
thank you!
>>10163162
and these are great, i love the idea of using actual antique pieces in an ouji coord as well
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>>10161231

Thx gulls
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WunderWelt got a hold of a new load of men's sized items

>>10163164
Bless you
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@U1892
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@Mansuke_
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I can't tell if that's pants under a skirt or not.
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>>10164407
those are pants

wide-leg ones
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>>10164414
I think it is both, wide pants underneath a skirt.

Anyone have tips to add flare to a Roland coord?
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>>10158902
What are some good search terms for ouji on taobao
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>>10164500
Texture and patterns. Boring shirt/blouse is okay if you have an interesting jabot, because the blouse won't be visible, but don't go with plain black puffy pants/white socks/generic black boots, look for something interesting for the bottom half and accessorize well.
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@ch_teatime
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At what point do we draw the line between fashion and costume or.. wearable art installation
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>>10165829
A hat ship is nowhere close to wearable art, definitely more just historical fashion.
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>>10165850
I feel like marie antoinette wearing this absurd garbage to the opera is the equivalent of arguing that lady gaga's meat dress was fashion
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Any ideas where i can find nice size 9 mens shoes?
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>>10166542
sadly you just missed the American Duchess preorder: https://www.american-duchess.com/mens-historical-shoes-boots

goth-pikes.com is on hiatus while they update their website, but they have a solid rep for a custom shoe shop.
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@aed_devi
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new pirate release from AatP! the vest fully laces up the back. it looks like the brand is joining the trend of visible corsets over coords, or at least they are imitating it. they say it has boning but i do not know how strong it could be. it will be available in mens and ladies sizing.
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>>10168726
back
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>>10160071
I think we be able to do some interesting hairstyles, I'm tired of seeing like the same 2 damn styles... it's 2019 and wigs and hair extensions are easily accessible
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don't be a coward. wear heels
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>Moitie fashion show has madame coord
>no aristocrat

Mana-sama why have you forsaken us
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@ren_kouduki_xxx
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@Jiro_u3
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@Akito_midnight
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@yotsuba0212
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Other than the shoes I like this one a lot
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repping that old-school platform stompers aesthetic is one of the easiest and coolest ways to get ouji footwear, imo. they are often available in larger sizes and you can always claim you're going for a circa 2000 aesthetic, even in sweet
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This is underwhelming.
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This is better than what Taobao tries. The shorts do not look like pajama bottoms.
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This looks comfortable.

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this is KERA's take on it, using a lighter colorway
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>>10175024
God damn those bloomers are adorable!
>>10175026
This is a one piece right?? Clever to make it look like two separates with the belt but might be a little difficult to coord in other ways
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>>10175542
yes, it is listed as a salo! it looks comfy as heck.
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>>10175568
Damn that's cute, loving these comfy ouji looks from jpn recently
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How is Paradiso? How was the ouji pageant?
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I got the dates confused, ignore me. Here's another comfy ouji look.
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@1293Maron
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@arabesquepp
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without jacket, showing how tight the corset is.

the trend in Japan of wearing decorated but functional corsets over coords is still going strong. 8/8 is the big Corset Day. do you plan to create any coords with a corset? there are a couple months left to decide.
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@Mansuke_
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@byakuyaTocoshie
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>>10178649
it was this weekend, actually! here are some photos from Instagram.
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>>10179841
that was @bonnieeileena

this is from @honeysugarheart, who posted several candids of different people.
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>>10179843
also @honeysugarheart
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>>10179844
@tokidoki.prince
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@vanaellala
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@gothiclizzie
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@starry_seiun
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>>10179852
ouji pageant contestants, courtesy of @liviejanelle
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>>10179856
I Do Declare x VooDoooDolly vampiric guro collab for the fashion show
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>>10179857
Adi of Ikemen Mode in a modified JSK
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>>10179859
@vanaellala
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>>10179862
another hall shot from @honeysugarheart
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>>10179864
Ikemen Mode showcased a new denim collection, this time based on a royal court theme

last denim show they did was a circus theme
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>>10179867
designer of IM, Sheri, with partner, and Triple Fortune designers Kaie and Babi
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>>10179869
Bizarre Couture's collection, made using antique kimono silk and historic sewing methods
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>>10179870
@confectionery_cutie as a postman prince
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>>10179872
a pic of @prince.blackheart
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>>10179874
@rc_adventurer
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>>10179867

Their stuff just gets worse and worse.
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but wtf is this?
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?????
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>>10182211
Oh no... I love it...
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>>10179870
The dude in the grey wig is wearing some thing hideous, I know the team put in a lot of work behind the collection but they really need to think about colour more
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>>10179899
I freaking love this
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>>10182690
i hope he posts more. i like his stuff.
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>>10178933
That waist looks so extreme I'm flinching in my seat.
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>>10182214
now consider the following
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>>10178947
byakuya again

tell me if posting them so much is ungood
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>>10184012
@390413 and friend, Leo

they often do oldschool coords together, this is a more casual+modern look
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>>10184013
@390413 again, but now Leo is in casual sweet ouji

i do not think Leo has a Twitter account, which is a shame.
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>>10184012
Honestly his coords are unremarkable and poses are annoying every time. He’s clearly more vain than he is talented.
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indie brand Estryllia・Enhillia (estryllia.jp) has this piano detailing on the cuffs of one of their blouses. this is the sort of design i would like to see more of in ouji. printed cuffs are a great idea.
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full set for reference
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>>10184233
That's such a cute detail!
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@bami_ck in EGA
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>>10184698
@shioku
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>>10184068
Aww, I think her poses are entertaining. Whose coords do you like? I'm interested in other people's taste.
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>>10184012
I'm so in love with her, everything she does is just perfection.
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a bustle buttcape in 3 colorways: https://zenmarket.jp/en/s/ozzonjapan/3121606g
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>>10184699
@hat_InEden
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>>10185755
same person, with other oujis and Triple Fortune designers Babi and Kaie
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>>10185760
@romain_est in a wa ouji coord for 3F
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>>10185767
this is @IgarashiMari on Twitter, but the image is from her blog: https://madamsteam.com/fashion/10163

i shared an image of her in this kimono tailcoat before, but i do not know if i shared the blog entry where she gives all her steps in making it! it is long, and in Japanese. if you are already familiar with sewing, pattern drafting, etc., you may get more out of this than i am able to.
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>>10185799
even the collar of the coat has kimono-inspired detail.

#diyouji gulls, bookmark this page
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wicked cool socks from Moitie's artist collab
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for comfy or casual ouji, never forget Milkboy: https://shop.milk-inc.com/?pid=139968242

they also have fitted button-downs that would let you seamlessly blend into the wallpaper if you are a classic ouji: https://shop.milk-inc.com/?pid=141229504
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>>10190456
look at this salopette with a 92cm waist!

https://shop.milk-inc.com/?pid=139341292

Milkboy, a division of Milk, is one of the oldest Harajuku brands. they are slightly more prestigious than gothic & lolita brands that sell ouji, so their prices can be higher, but their quality is good and their designs are cute.
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new AatP jacket looks stylish enough to wear casually: https://shop.milk-inc.com/?pid=139341292
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>>10190726
>tfw wrong tab

https://babyssb.shop/category/select/cid/347/pid/10459
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Settle a debate for us, gulls.

Who looks better in ouji, guys or girls?
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>>10190456
>>10190461
Fuck these are so cute, especially those overalls
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>>10191134
>>10191134
masculine (ie strong jaw, tall, prominent features, not in the 'manly' sense) women and tall slender men look best in the mature style, while petite asian girls are the only ones who are really youthful enough to pull off the little prince look without getting weird ageplay vibes.

there are like 3 girls who consistently put together incredible outfits on cod and show off the best of the style, imo. men are scarce and rarely do their hair/makeup so they look awkwardly in historical costume and instead of in a cohesive alternative fashion
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>>10191143
MILKBOY is under-appreciated and that needs to stop.

>source: @merrrrrru on wear.jp
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>>10191134
fit people who do their hair and makeup and wear flattering clothing.

in jfashion that usually means women because western men don't take care of themselves
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>>10192202
@licht1sj on wear, using Milkboy blouse with AatP
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>>10184012
Why even post if you’re not posing like this
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>>10192205

So... How does makeup fit in ouji with men? Asking for help pls.
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>>10192541
are you asking for general makeup advice? its very unique to any one person. youll have to google and figure out youre face shape and skin tone then look up makeup tutorials with your specific traits. watching popular makeup artists is still good but you need to know your own face. like when my dumbass kept filling in my dark eyebrows just began everyone else did or how i used to put on too much cream and used powder concealer on my oily areas when i have combination skin

it just really pisses me off when loli/oujis where no make up at all- not even nude makeup- or when the fucking base doesnt match the rest of your skin tone and you look like youre wearing a pale ass skin mask
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>>10191134
slender women
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>>10192601
this.

>>10192541
the same way as for anyone. start with the basics. come back and ask again when you have mastered the nude look.
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>>10192541
>How does makeup fit in ouji with men?
Make sure you get the man makeup, since the lady makeup will burn your man skin :/
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>>10192541

In case this truly is a clueless male asking, I'll give a quick breakdown.

Most people just aren't born with perfect, flawless skin. Not including acne, most people have some redness in the wrong place, blotchy complexion, dark circles under their eyes, puffy eyes, "dirty", clogged pores, unattractively dry lips, scraggly eyebrows/unibrow etc etc.

- foundation helps to even out skintone (for redness or blotchyness)
- concealer is thicker and hides anything foundation is too sheer to hide (eg acne, scarring)
- dark circles undereye often needs a different concealer. Orange-tone for those with purple shadows, yellow tones for those with grey shadows
- puffy eyes can't be fixed by makeup, do a cold compress (cucumber, cold tea bags) to reduce them before you start
- none of the above will stay on very long, so primer or base is used beforehand to help the makeup "stick".
- similarly, setting spray to help makeup stay on longer
- "dirty" clogged pores also can't be fixed with makeup, exfoliate your face before you start
- dry lips need chapstick, if your lips are pale and sickly-looking, use a tinted lip product to give them some colour
- similarly, if you look pale and lifeless after putting on foundation, you need a little blush to bring back the colour
- eyebrows need to be trimmed/plucked/waxed before your start makeup, then a little bit of eyebrow pencil often helps them look more defined and less scraggly

All of the above does nothing more than even out your skintone and hide some of your flaws that makes you look unwashed and unhealthy. Additional stuff:

- eyeliner, mascara (and eyelash curling) helps enhance your eyes. Eyes are important to human interaction and people often focus on beautiful eyes.
- Contouring makeup can make your nose look taller, jawline look more define

And there you have it. No colouful shit here, 100% it's just to make your face less yucky to look at.
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Miho Matsuda getting in on the comfy ouji action
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I've been thinking about this for a while but anyone here have an opinion on the quality and fit of this Fan+Friend shirt compared to the Atelier Boz?

https://www.fanplusfriend.com/vintage-long-sleeve-shirt-men-dress-shirt-cravat-set-black-white-purple/

https://www.atelier-boz.co.jp/products/detail/42
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>>10195126
I just want to be as comfy as this one day
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>>10195217
Haven't been in contact with lots of F+F stuff, but it seems Box will probably have a softer fabric than F+F, whcih will probably fit fine but maybe not in all places. Boz has men's sizing but it's not bigger by much, but their pieces are very flattering on most people.
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>>10195217
F+F has very hit and miss quality AND fit, and they tend to use quite cheap fabric overall. I think they must use a number of either small factories or home sewers given the variety of quality.
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>>10195217

The fit might be tougher to figure out. I do know that Boz has fewer sizes, but better quality IMO
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>>10193101

Can I get away with just using BB cream?
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>>10197153

Hair/Makeup thread is probably better suited for questions like this >>10167312
If you have skin problems they can probably also point you in the right direction. For hair advice I'd suggest going to /fa/ though.

As for BB cream, it's basically foundation with moisturiser. It's usually a little stickier than powder foundation so you probably won't need a base, but it has its downsides and doesn't do everything, so:
- if you dirty clogged pores, it'll show up even more because BB cream won't stick to whiteheads. Keep an eye out for these and exfoliate if you notice them.
- if you have really bad acne BB cream won't cover it up either
- Depending on the colour of your dark circles and the undertone of your BB cream, it'll do anything from cover them up, nothing at all, or actually make them worse lol
- dry lips, puffy eyes, etc that have nothing to do with foundation all still need their own fixes.
- Some BB creams (like some foundations) are remarkably opaque and matte, so yes, check in the mirror if you look dead and flat after you put it on. If you do, you probably need some blusher, maybe a little highlight so you don't look like dead plastic

Gonna add, there's sebum control base and matte fixing spray for those dudes (and dudettes) with oily skin. Helps you not look like an oil spill by midday (doesn't help if you were actually sweating, nothing really helps much with that)
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>>10195217
ngl, I quite like everything I've had from f+f

As long as you don't expect brand quality for offbrand prices there's really nothing to be disappointed about with them, though the fit, I couldn't tell you much. My measurements put me in a lady 70, but they're a little tight, so I guess I'd suggest sizing up.
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Anyone here used the simplicity 2777 pattern or know anyone who has?
Just stumbled on it and wanted to see if there are any examples of it being used at all
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>>10201712
Check patternreviews.com
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>>10201715

It's a dead link
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>>10201712
I used it for bloomers. It's not bad if you've got thick thighs but idk if i'd use it for ouji pants. Best advice is buy it and try it if it's on sale for cheap. Otherwise save up and just buy some.
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>>10201832
Ah thank you for this. I also have quite chunky thighs and I know a lot of brand bloomers aren't really made for that.
I'll snag the cheap one I found and try the pattern out!
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>>10201941
Take pictures when you're done. I'd love to see how you do.
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>>10153495
pre-Revolution Russian ballet costumes inspire me. this, without the pompoms, as a general coord silhouette would be great
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is this a straw top hat?

why
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>>10202137
I will for sure! I want to make edits to the pattern when I get it to try make pants but a lot of oujis wear bloomer type pants Ive seen anyway but we'll have to see
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>>10202381
straw is way more comfortable for the summer
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For those skinny days still in the prcoess of losing weight, any general advice or specific advice for looking slim enough for boy style?
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>>10206094
salos are great for disguising shape because they create a straight line from your shoulder to your hips. long gilets can also have that effect.

but the best thing is to wear clothes that fit. chubby princes can still be cute or even regal.
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>>10206128
Any good chubby prince's I should be following on ig/twitter/where ever?? I would love to see some inspo but I usually only see the same few on ig
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is there a name for this type of hat?
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Atelier Boz has embraced the boned corset trend
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>>10211599
8/8 is Corset Day in Japan so you all have one month to get a coord together if you haven't already been planning one
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some snaps from Japanese shops recently
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>>10215037
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>>10215039
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>>10215047
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>>10215039
pilgrim kei
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>>10215057
butler kei is over. pilgrim kei is the new default ouji look
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this would have made a great salopette. AatP, why do you hate giving colorful prints to oujis.
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New brand called Heart Beat Harmony to be sold through Kera. You want some pastries on your trousers? They got pastries on trousers.

https://twitter.com/kerashinjuku/status/1148551596634017792
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>>10216968
comfy ouji to the fucking rescue
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>>10216968
They look like pajamas.
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>>10217278
better than the puffy, flimsy Taobao pajama ouji
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>>10216968
This is so cute, are these the only two colours they're doing?
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>>10217671
it looks like they also have a white colorway, since anon's link shows dress versions in white
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>>10209742
Looks almost like a sailor hat.
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>>10211600
check out >>10216394 for some ouji and EGA corset coords among the girlstyle
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Akira's coord in Shanghai for Baby/AatP looks pretty cool.
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>>10220816
go to the new thread >>10223289



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