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So this lithuanian cosplayer got banned from twitch for blackfacing. As a european Ive never heard of this before and I think its in general barely known here. I would have colored my face aswell to avoid whitewashing desu but well

So you just dont cosplay a black character in general?
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>>10149852
you can cosplay them just don’t do blackface
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>>10149862
Why? If it's not meant to be an insult towards blacks or people of different skin tones what's the problem? (Other than the effort and amount of make-up)
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>>10149852
I don't even think the character she was doing was even black though

but you can still do them, just don't make your skin darker

>>10149864 I mean like, I know a lot people really don't mean any harm when they do this, but from what I've heard from other people, a reason why some people don't like it when people darken their skin for a brown character (and not just black characters I assume) is that person doing the blackface will get positive attention (presumably) while actual poc doing non poc characters will just get over looked.
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Look, there is a simple reason why you shouldn't color your skin into that of a person of color.

When you take that off, you can go back to reality. Black people can't.
If you need to darken your skin to "accurately portray a character" then you just suck at it.
Historically, whitewashing has never hurt a white person. Blackface has and continues to do so.

It's 2019, and we're still doing this asinine shit. The internet is widely available. If you can search this shit board, you can easily look up why blackface is unacceptable.

And it's not flattering period, whether you're trying to insult or not. You look like you've smeared mud, shit, or brown paint all over you.
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>>10149867
>that person doing the blackface will get positive attention (presumably) while actual poc doing non poc characters will just get over looked.
This
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>>10149864
if you do a simple google search you can find out the history of it and why it’s racist
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>>10149852
>doesn’t know what blackface is
>knows what whitewashing is
One of these things doesn’t add up, bait-chan.
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Alright, so its no problem to cosplay a black character when youre not black yourself, thanks for clearing that up anons
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>>10149875
I honestly did not know, sorry
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>>10149876
Exactly. It's fine, just don't color yourself.
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Even aside from the fact that it's a gross and racist thing to do... it still looks just like absolute shit.
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>>10149869
That last line really shows who the racist is doesn't it?
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>>10149886
Dont start anything anon, my question was answered, let the thread rip in pepperoni
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You racist white pigs should quit cosplaying Asian people. Only cosplay your shitty Steven Universe tumblr shows. Sincerely, everyone else.
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>>10149890
I'm being baited but just in case someone actually thinks this is the attitude at play... no one thinks you shouldn't cosplay characters outside your race. I'm a pasty white dude who cosplays multiple dark skinned characters and they're some of my most popular cosplays and get a ton of love, I just don't try to pretend to be another race or alter my features to suggest I'm anything other than white. No one cares. Also if a white person is cosplaying an asian character and tapes their face/fakes exaggerated slanting eyes/uses yellow undertoned foundation then yeah that's hella racist too, even if I see it more often than blackface without it being called out. Idk why people are trying to create hypocrisy here when there really isn't any.
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>>10149886
Not at all. It NEVER looks good.
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>>10149892
You baffle me with your mental gymnastics. By your analogy, blackface would be to caricaturize a black person, which is to wear red lipstick and nappy hair. It's not at all the same as darkening skintones. No one's trying to create hypocrisy, you're just trying to create a social issue through ignorance.
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The issue of blackfacing is a symptom of American exceptionalism and its assumption that America's social issues extend to the globe. Literally no one cares about this other than you, you self-centered moron. Not every black person is a victim of the black American experience, and only a few countries have a history with blacks in the first place. Stuff your sensibilities up your ass.
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>American ethnocentrism, the thread
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I regret making this thread already
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>>10149852
nah
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Well basically, cosplay a black character with your skintone and you are white-washing, darken your skintone and it is black face. Even though the definition of black face is painting yourself black in order to mock black people, but whatever.

I guess the solution, as POC will ultimately tell you is to not touch these characters at all.

And as for the comment that "if you need to change your skin color to make the cosplay good it means you are doing a bad job", no one would fucking dare say this if you were cosplaying a character that is blue, they would call your attempt half-assed.

It is what it is, American POC are justifiably very sensitive about these topics, due to years of abuse and now the have a platform to try and take some things back. Should these things be animu characters when there are serious racial issues? Should they be applying their America-centric POV in other ethnicities, especially ones that never had anything to do with POC and slavery based on skin color?Maybe not, but we need to let them have this.

I just wish they would not try to claim characters that are clearly not portraying black people as their own too, like lets say Garnet, who is now apparently only allowed to be cosplayed by black people, even though she is fucking red, and an alien.
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>>10149852
God this is so fucking stupid. All this Internet shit is really making me hate black people even though we don't have any here.
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>>10149886
Learn to read.
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>>10149875
Exactly. Are we supposed to believe this shit?
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>>10149921
Not everybody here is from the us. I knew what whitewashing was from some artist who drew a character too pale, but thats about it, we dont really have black people around at my place. Guess I kind of managed to dodge that topic in the past years
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People are morons and think everything that REMINDS them of racism is somehow also racist. Coloring your skin a slightly darker color for the purposes of accurate costume portrayal is NOT "blackface" and anyone who thinks it is might possibly be retarded.

We live in a time where people actually now think making an "ok" sign with your hands is now a white supremacist gesture. Stop buying into hysteria.
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>>10149867
She's doing Lifeline from Apex: Legends who is in fact black and South African
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>>10149900
This
Why should I care about people from some shitholestan like USA. If I would cosplay lifeline, I would do it in "blackface" just in spite. She's not African american, not with that accent.
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To start with, it looks bad and patchy on her skin, and she got it all over her gloves too which looks disgusting.
Secondly, no one thinks a white person cosplaying a black character is whitewashing, except possibly the most sjw-hungry tumblerinas. The same way no one thinks cosplaying a fat character when you’re skinny is fatphobic, or cosplaying a male version of a female character is sexist. Or cosplaying a blind character when you can see is ableist.
If someone is a stickler for accuracy, the skin tone is never going to look accurate anyway. Whether you use paint, arm socks, or straight makeup, it’s always going to be obvious it’s not your real skin tone. If you’re so anal for accuracy, I don’t know why you wouldn’t pick a character that more closely resembled your own physical features. If you just want to cosplay a character you love, then inaccuracy shouldn’t be an insurmountable hurdle to begin with.
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If you're going to blackface at least don't look like the typical white duckfacing patreon thot
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This thread needs to be nuked. This topic comes up over and over and most people can agree to not do it. But then you get super edgy right wingers who disagree and in that case there's no use arguing because they've already made up their minds that "it doesn't offend me so how could it possibly offend other people". This whole debate is such a privileged one and it's sad that the opinions of black people don't matter, when this whole thing is about black people.

But sorry people don't like it when you smear mud all over your face.

Plz mods nuke this thread
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This thread is very eye-opening, Americans are an interesting bunch. Cosplay makeup specifically meant to make your face the shade you want, from porcelain white to sunburnt tan, and face tape to reshape your chin and eyes are popular in East Asia where I'm from. I usually try to powder my face as white as believably possible for cosplay unless it's a male character since that gives better results and it's the expected norm. Granted, anyone wanting to go darker than a hard tan usually turns to photo editing to get the job done rather than painting themselves.
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Wowee! It's a crazy clown world, my dude. Nothing you can do but laugh.
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>>10149900
When you use the services of an American company like Twitch expect to follow rules made by Americans.
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>>10149998
If you needed a reason why American cosplays look terrible on the world stage, it's this thread here. They care more about body positivity and protecting people's feelings than actually looking good. That's why they look like the Special Olympics competing against the best of the best at the World Cosplay Summit. They haven't ever won and they often look like lazy hambeasts up there.
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>>10149864
1. Blackface has a long history of being used to make fun of POC in demeaning racist ways. Even if cosplayers mean no harm when they do it they need to understand the racist history of darkening your skin like that.

2. When a white person darkens their skin for cosplay they get a good amount of praise for their portrayal. When a poc person cosplays a poc character they tend to just get overlooked. When they cosplay a white character they just get racist insults thrown at them. It’s almost like people would rather see blackface than an actual black cosplayer.

3. It just looks like shit.
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>>10150081
Reminder to disregard anyone who unironically uses POC to describe black people. It's the most retarded euphemism that conflates blacks with other minority races.
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>>10149900
>>10149998
I find really intresting to know what people from diffrent place around the word find acceptable with their cultural approach.
I noticed that young peoples who don't socialize a lot irl and use a lot the internet tend to have the same opinion as americain , without having a lot of knoweldge of the situation in their country ( Europe in my case, which is very diffrent about the cultural appropriation/discrimination issues at least irl ).
But I have seen on the internet the idea of darkening even for cosplay of european/ tan asian/non specific race character seen badly, using >>10149869 first argument. I's almost like any non light character is projected into having the stuggle of irl peoples. I've seen people trying to convince european that blackfacing/darkening is bad because of America race struggle. A question we can't really answer is who is right on the internet since it's world wide shared content , unlike a national con . Just throwing my 2 cents
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>>10149942

huh, thats new cause I thought she was asian at first
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>>10150092

I mean I would just use it to include anyone who is just brown, like hispanic, asian,indian,etc
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>>10149852
based. Anyone in this thread disagreeing is just a tranny angry that real women can change how they look at any point they want
^these p
>>10149916
>no black people
don't tell anyone where you are. (((they))) will flood you with them
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>>10150182
Except you aren't. Blackfacing isn't an issue to all of those other people. POC is a shit term used by white people and your othering for the sake of being a savior isn't helpful.
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>Not adjusting your make-up is white washing
>Changing your make-up to match the character is blackface
>POCs around the world continue to, with no outside forces making them do it, lighten AND darken their skin color.

... As a Caucasian with olive tone skin, who turns completely milk chocolate in the summer and then becomes a limey ghost in the winter... Is either protecting my skin from the sun or letting myself tan offensive? You guys talk like human skin color doesn't have a wide range based on lifestyle choices. All of this policing is basically encouraging the idea that not embracing the dynamics of biology is the "right thing" to do. Telling people what skin color they can or cannot have is just as backwards as telling a woman she has to wear shape wear because the natural shape of her torso is offensive.

Punishing people for making decisions about how to adorn their body is a form of oppression.

Has anyone here ever actually seen a blackface performance? Have any of you ever known a person of your parent's generation who's seen a blackface performance? Does anyone even know what songs they sang or what stand up routines were common? If you can't answer these questions, then that shows how dumb all of this is.
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>>10150192
>milk chocolate in the summer and then becomes a limey ghost in the winter
This is a normal thing most Mediterraneans experience. Stop caring what some stupid sjws say. Don't say "what if..." just do it without caring for their feelings

pic related is african "culture"
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>>10149886
no, because if a black person wore white paint to look like a white character, everybody would also say they look like they have pancake batter and cocaine all over them. Is that insulting to white people? No. It's just insulting the paint application, not the race.

She does look like she has brown paint all over her. Black people with naturally dark skin don't look fake.
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>>10150191
blacks use POC all the time to refer to themselves. look at twitter
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>>10150081
>people would rather see blackface than an actual black cosplayer

Yeah, because you pull insufferable shit like this.
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>>10149852
We have this thread every few months and it's always the same. Americunts are overly sensitive about it and no one else gives a shit, the end.
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>>10150192
>>Not adjusting your make-up is white washing
No, if you've ever been to any sort of cosplaying convention then you've seen people cosplay outside of their race all the time. My friend is very white and does Sombra from Overwatch; she doesn't paint her skin brown. I'm honestly convinced that the majority of you who are arguing about this don't even go to conventions and are here to race-bait.

>Is either protecting my skin from the sun or letting myself tan offensive?
No, and that's not what the issue is here. There's a difference between tanning and painting your skin black as a costume. If you also googled the definition of blackface, its "the makeup used by a nonblack performer playing a black role", which is exactly what the person in OP's picture is doing.

>Punishing people for making decisions about how to adorn their body is a form of oppression.
People disagreeing with what you're doing is not oppression. Not to mention that OP was banned on Twitch for violating their terms of service, which is what they are allowed to do.

>Has anyone here ever actually seen a blackface performance?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8ehjt-ZH_o
Here's one example. I have a friend whose parents grew up in more rural areas when this was common. Just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.
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>>10149852
Altering your skintone for a cosplay is fine. People that compare it to blackface are low-tier on the brain powerlistings. Circumstance matters, and the minstrel show circumstances under which blackface was actually sort of dickish no longer exist. I have no problem with her doing blackface and find it more offensive that people are trying to argue she can't, honestly.

>t. black person
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>>10150081
>Blackface has a long history of being used to make fun of POC in demeaning racist ways
I don't know what shithole you live in, but that didn't happen so much in Lithuania.
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So here's a series of examples. I think people have expanded the concept of what is blackface out too far. Can you say that her make-up makes you feel offended? Sure. I'd even say you could call her rude, insensitive and whatever other name you want. But looking back through the history of blackface, it's pretty hard to try to link this cosplay to what was the INTENTIONAL inaccurate depiction of people for the purpose of making fun of them. If someone changes their skin tone and is not making fun of people when doing so, I think it's hard to connect the two because without the direct intent to spread hate and hurt then it's pretty difficult to claim that his was damaging to the public.
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>>10149852
Who cares if it's racist or not?
She looks FUCKING HORRENDOUS. I have yet to see a cosplayer with artificially darkened skin that didn't look like complete shit. There is no way to make it work. It doesn't make you look anymore accurate to the character. It's distracting. You wouldn't want to see a black girl with skin painted peach so she could have a "more accurate" Sailor Venus cosplay.

You're better off using whatever natural skin tone you have like pic related. Will some people get mad regardless? Yes. But if you paint your skin a different color you will get shat on even more AND look terrible. Expecting anything otherwise is beating a dead horse.
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>>10150248
You're the only one who makes sense and I appreciate you
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>>10150248
This guy gets it.
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I love the double standard on cgl. I've been called spic, and they call asian chinks, but those posts never get deleted. Oh, but don't dare to offend black people. Just go to the archives and search for "spic" or "chink", you'll get many results. Then search for the "n" word, almost every post is deleted.
According to seagulls, being racist toward hispanics and asians = acceptable.
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>>10150273
post a picture of a black hand holding a controller on /v/ and see what happens.

J*nny works for free so she (formerly he) most likely has a filter for posts with n***** in them.
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>>10150273
FINALLY SOMEONE FUCKING SAID IT
FUCK MAN IT SEEMS LIKE NO ONE WILL EVER UNDERSTAND
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>>10150281
and no filter for any other slur? that just further shows the double standards.
also this is /cgl/, not /v/, everyone's much more anally neo-liberal here.
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>>10149869
Coloring your skin isn't black face.
>When you take that off, you can go back to reality. Black people can't.

What is the significance of this line right here?
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That's not black face. This is black face. People just want excuse to be hysterical.
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>>10150374
Both are blackface
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>>10150376
There's nothing derisive about the OP's picture. She just darkened her skin.
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>>10150214
Op here, sorry for that. Im originally from /v/ and was just curious, didnt mean to start a bushfire. So in conclusion, changing skintone is debatable, but to avoid butthurt just stick to your skintone since people are cool with that anyways

Let the thread sleep now, look, its so tired, shh, shhh, only dreams now
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>>10150205
I don’t know a single black person with a triple digit IQ who does.
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>>10149852
If you fucking pasty skin motherfuckers want to cosplay a dark/brown skinned character just get a fucking spray on tan. FFS she deserved it if you ask me. Use some fucking common sense.
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>>10150376
No, its not. Darkening your skin is not blackface. Stop trying to change the definition of a word just so you can be offended by something.
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look at a post like >>10150442 and realize these people want your race exterminated. We will take our homelands back, mark my words.
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>>10150365
Skin color isn't a costume is the significance but I guess you missed that point.
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>>10150209
I’m not black but okay
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>>10150273

I love how the SJWs are not addressing this elephant in the room.

I’m fucking sick of being shat on because of my heritage but anyone mention the n word and jannies run to protect their fee fees.
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>>10150451
Well this is the definition, and that's exactly what this person did you fucking retard.
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>>10150517
>I’m fucking sick of being shat on because of my heritage
You shouldn't care what people on this website say unless you want to get hurt. See how that turned out for pic related
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>>10150527
>ignoring the historical context of the term
>blackface is offensive because of the historical context of the term
Pick one.
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>>10150531
Literally what are you quoting. This person, who is nonblack, used makeup to dress up/perform as Lifeline, who is a black character. It fits the definition pretty well.
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>>10150534
And why is it wrong?
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>>10150528

Lol.

In all seriousness though it’s become SJW lite and while in the past pretty much everyone got shat on, now apparently this isn’t the case anymore. I liked it when the shit parade wasn’t biased yanno?
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>>10150504
>Skin color isn't a costume
You are wrong. It is. Just like every other part of someone's body.

>>10150527
It says "the makeup". "The makeup" refers to >>10150374
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>>10150528
Nayrt but it's ridiculous how people loses their minds when something minimally offensive to black people is posted, but yet we have threads where anyone can be openly racist against other "POCs". It's against the rules but the posts are happily there, never being nuked. Just a bunch of hypocrites on this board I guess.
So everytime threads like these appear, I can only roll my eyes.
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this obvious bait thread is still here? color me shocked
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>>10150589
>color me
WHOA ANON! "color me"?? as in "colored people"? I hope you don't have a twitch account because if you do, you won't have it for much longer.
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Question as a European. Before I heard about this, I honestly didn't expect this to be such a big deal, since in conventions over here people using bodypaint to make their skin darker isn't too uncommon.
I can understand how it's bad to make your skin darker to cosplay a black character due to history of doing it, but does same apply to other races?
For example, would pic related be fine? This isn't about if the cosplay looks good, but Anthy isn't meant to be black, her nationality is never stated in the series but the bindi on her forehead suggests that she's Indian, or from somewhere else in South Asia. So yeah, would it be fine to use bodypaint while cosplaying dark skinned asians?
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>>10149852
Why do they always look like someone used the photoshop burn tool
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Just so you know, this PC theme is only going to get worse in America.
Case in point, you can lose your job for using words that even sound like the N word.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_"niggardly"
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>>10150604
That anthy looks like a discount Oompa Loompa. Forget the racism shit, this is just about decent cosplay.
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I don't even care about "blackfacing", I've just never seen a white cosplayer go darker without looking either trump-toned, or like they smeared shit all over their face.
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There are more races than black. Plenty of ethnicies and races have tan and dark deep skin. Never heard of mediterraneans? In the summer they can get close to that color if they go a lot to the beach or pass a lot of time outdoors.
Brown/tan colors are not exclusive to black people.
Whitewashing isn't a thing, blackface is a thing of the past, very few people do that, she didn't blackface, she just wanted to be accurate.
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ethnicities*
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>>10150625
>This isn't about if the cosplay looks good
>Forget the question, that cosplay looks like crap.
I just want to know.
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>>10150647
there was a girl who worked at my last job, white as fuck, who could tan like a motherfucker. When she came back from her honeymoon to Mexico she was darker than the actual black lady that worked with us. Just because you're white doesn't mean you can't be dark. Sure, it's not healthy, but the color can still happen.
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"why don't people use makeup to look better LMAO?"

"WTF why do people use too much makeup to look better????"

it's retarded as fuck, and people who care about it are retarded as fuck. this thread, on 4chin, one of the more tolerant-about-shittalking websites, is proof of it.
It's funny because unironically 80% of black cosplayers makeup is usually complete shit; just look at 28 days of black cosplay.

hope you tossed your foundation out, smoothskin
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>>10150390
bait>>10150654
>>10150654
bait>>10150092
bait>>10150365
baaait


This entire thread is bait. Stop replying
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>>10149884
>>10149903
>>10149921
>>10149874
/thread
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>>10150081
>long history of racism
>still calls them colored

Okay retard
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the thing is that i've also observed people literally driving actual black people off of what social media sites they're on for what they perceive as black facing, when it was just bad makeup.

like dude they're black

just because their makeup was too harsh doesn't mean it's a free for all to call them racist.

It's worrying when people dismiss this sort of response as "they deserve it because their makeup was bad lolol."

Also stop saying PoC when you clearly only mean black people that are black presenting enough to you guys.
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>>10150680
back to tumblr you go sweaty
dont let the door hit you
unless youre triple digit and youre actually counter baiting, which, in that case, is still cancerous, so still leave
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>>10150081
>pee oh cee
Jesus fucking Christ. Get off 4chan.
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>>10149864
As a nigga myself. Its just distasteful and uncomfortable to look at. Its like wearing a kkk outfit because you think it looks cool. What it's associated with has a negative social and historical connotations. and . The person who did this straight up got banned from twitch.
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>>10150812
so apparently i typed this while having a stroke but you get the idea
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>>10150619
This is just pathetic and so wrong
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>>10150812
It's worth noting that different cultures have very different histories with people coloring their skin to look like different race. No idea how it's in Lithuania where that girl is from, but here in Finland it's a long-standing Christmas tradition for schools, kindergardens, politicians and whoever else feels like it to do a short play which is variation of Star Singers called "Tiernapojat", in which the Wise Men travel to see newborn Jesus and king Herod orders his soldiers to slay all the newborn boys. Yes, it's a popular play in kindergardens.
One of the characters featured in the play is King of Moors, who refuses to bow down to Herod. The person who plays him traditionally has their face painted black. You can probably guess who he is in the pic related.
Again, this play has been going on for ages now, and is broadcasted every Christmas on national television and radio. Different cultures have very different reactions to these things.
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ithis board is gayer than /lbgt/
Grow a spine you cucks
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>>10150871
It doesn't matter what the intentions are, the history of blackface doesn't just vanish because someone refuses to acknowledge it or is ignorant to it. Imagine if people walked around in Nazi regalia because they wanted to be historically accurate to Germany or something. You can't just blink away the Holocaust.
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>>10150604
No. There's never a circumstance where emulating a race through body paint wouldn't be offensive.
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>>10150517
I'm native and no one gives a shit about how we were treated, it's just not cool enough to care about issues that aren't trans issues, black issues, gay issues.... you get the point.
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>>10149916
You already hated them. Something this insignificant wouldn't suddenly change your feelings about an entire race. Don't lie to yourself, KKK-chan.
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>>10151046

Better tell the Japanese to never use swastikas now because of the German Nazis.

How absolutely tone deaf must you be to not recognize cultural context.
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>>10149912
Literally no one says this. Cosplay whoever you want. Only a small minority of extremists will call it whitewashing.

Blue people aren't real unless you have a super rare disease, so don't compare the struggles of millions of people to space aliens or some shit.
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>>10149931
>slightly

Racism isn't always intentional. If you went to another country and accidentally said something offensive, wouldn't you still adjust your behavior?
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>>10150041
It's a hobby, dude. Maybe don't alienate people from it? Also, on the internet, you'll only ever see the best cosplay or the worst. Never the average
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>>10150227
PICK ME! PICK ME! I'M NOT LIKE THOSE OTHER NEGROES.
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>>10150273
Then speak up louder. Instead of being mad at black people for demanding that shit be taken down, be mad at the people who make posts using racist slurs. Stop piggybacking off black people demanding fair treatment and demand it yourself.
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>>10151066

you piggyback off of us when you try to refer to to PoC as a rally cry but conveniently exclude us when it doesn't suit your needs. fuck off.
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>>10151066
That's not even what I mean. Why be such a butthurt baby about something so ridiculous.
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>>10150647
>thing of the past


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ucla-students-protest-after-guests-wear-blackface-to-kanye-west-themed-fraternity-party-a6686886.html%3famp
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>>10151070
No one is excluding you. But you need to speak up for yourself. We're not a conglomerate. We're several different ethnic groups under similar circumstances. Not even getting into the anti-blackness that is common among Asian and Latino groups. Be mad at white supremacy.

>>10151073
Not butthurt. Speak up for yourself. Getting mad at black people for every small victory will get you nowhere.
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>>10151046
The streamer didn't wear blackface. The history of blackface is irrelevant.
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>>10149900
>American
It's not though. The dutch invented black pete as a blackface character to make fun of Muslim black moors, and it has been used by Dutch racists to mock black Netherlanders.

It's not like slavery or the dehumanization of black people is uniquely American, either. Europeans of all countries enslaved black people and the spread of colonialism in Africa, Asia, and South America means that European views of blacks as subhuman (and the stereotypes associated) spread to those countries as well. Japanese people even create blackface stereotypes! Look at Mr. Popo and Jynx FFS.
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>>10151091

Jynx was based on ganguro, not black people
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>>10151095
>no nails
>actual ink black skin in original design
>ugly red gown

it's almost like you hate ganguro and are purposefully trying to drown it with this sinking ship by bringing it up. otherwise, you're an idiot and couldn't be more wrong.
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>>10151074
Yes thing of the past, it's not a common thing normal sane people like to do.
Slavery is also a thing of the past, but there will always be people in modern society who practice slavery.
Just because some crazy psycho or a dumbass does something horrific that used to happen a lot in the past, it doesn't make it the norm.
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>>10150733
bait
>>10151079
bait
>>10151095
bait
>>10150812
/thread
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>>10149852
you know this thread is just going to be full of white people saying they don't see anything wrong with it right
now this shit is all over facebook
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My culture is not your fucking cosplay, n'wah
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>>10150871
ok, and? Thats all neat and true but the streamer didnt do this for a culteral long standing tradition. She distastefully painted her face to be black to get money from horny nerds. Completely different magnitudes here.
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Imagine being this casual mongrel wearing an Amazon level Spiderman suit WITH A MASK and being this preachy.
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>>10151091
Yes let's cherrypick and ignore the ones who used it positively. People who argue against blackface cherrypick to ignore intent. It's not as simple as "blackface = bad" and intent should be taken into account. Don't be an NPC.
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>>10150604
Anon please don't let cgl fool you. Literally no one outside of burgerland but some bored white girls care about this shit. I'm saying that as a black german myself. If you love the character and want to do them justice by being as accurate as possible, go for it. It's not an act of hatred, but one out of admiration for the character and everyone who doesn't have severe brain damage will know that.

don't look like shit though
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>>10151091
Arab pirates enslaved Europeans and prostituted little boys and girls so I think they're even.
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>>10150227
>We know what's good for you better than you do! What do you mean you have personal agency? That's for white people, silly ally!
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>>10149912
>Well basically, cosplay a black character with your skintone and you are white-washing
Nope. Of all the threads on 4chan, facebook, and cosplay forums about this topic, never once have I seen anyone say that cosplaying black characters is whitewashing. In fact, the consensus is almost always that it's much preferable to painting one's skin. You can see that in this very thread.
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>>10149852
Her cosplay was shit and she did it for twitch attention. Getting banned was what she deserved for being a shitty cam girl.

Anyone defending her for "trying to match the character", she's not. The headband has the wrong color of paint smeared on it very messily, her hair color is off and the clothing is off. The skin looking like she smeared dirt and bronzer all over her is the icing on this shit cake.

Twitch banned her because it was a shit cosplay.
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This is what I don't like about political correctness. People being offended merely because they think that they are SUPPOSED to be offended by something. Nothing in that cosplay is meant to disparage black people, so why the fuck should anyone pretend it does?

Fucking retarded.
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>>10151106

you sure got mad about a dead and fossilized j-fashion.
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wow twitch has yall pressed like a panini
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>>10151210
Arabic enslavement of Europeans was not systemic and did not lead to 400 years of dehumanization and incarceration. Don't even start with the false equivalency. By that token, one would treat a career thief the same way as a shoplifter. Sure, they're the same kind of crime, but one of them is a rather gigantic problem by proportion.
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>>10151203
>as a black german myself

coon
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>>10151200
It really IS as simple as blackface = bad, because we don't live in isolated communities where *maybe* it's permissible out of ignorance. Black people live all over the world and don't deserve to be dehumanized, and that's what blackface does. It doesn't hurt anyone to revise their cultural representation to not cause harm. Case in point: The Zwarte Piet stereotype has been revised by the Dutch governments to not be blackface (including the red lips), but to use bright blue or bright red or bright orange, etc, and eliminate the stereotypical traits. That way they get to keep a cultural character while divorcing him from his problematic and dehumanizing elements.
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>>10151258
Can you translate that term for someone who doesn't get their daily dose of poisoned water?
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>>10150081
>>10151187
>>10150812
>1. Blackface has a long history of being used to make fun of POC in demeaning racist ways. Even if cosplayers mean no harm when they do it they need to understand the racist history of darkening your skin like that.
Not in Lithuania, why are you applying white american guilt to her?
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>>10151257
>Arabic enslavement of Europeans was not systemic and did not lead to 400 years of dehumanization and incarceration.

Saudi Arabian human rights is a really touchy subject and they're still infamous for their HR abuses today. I wouldn't touch this subject with a fifty foot pole.
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>>10151249
> I don't like political correctness everyone is SO OFFENDED
> is clearly upset that people are having an issue with what is clearly a harmful stereotype issue

Don't let your cognitive dissonance kick your ass too hard, now.
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>>10151261
Al Jolson was literally from Lithuania and they often celebrate him as a cultural icon while also decrying the unfortunate minstrel show stuff he did. Jolson WAS very apologetic and did a lot to bring black people into the entertainment industry as equals, and he's often misunderstood, but Lithuanians have, as a result, understood the problems of blackface for a long, long time.

They aren't on some other planet where racism doesn't exist. Lithuania has its share of racist issues and they aren't ignorant about blackface.
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>>10151259
>It really IS as simple as blackface = bad
No, it's intention what matters. Just because Americans and dutch people did it doesn't mean the rest of the world has to abide by your sensitivity. That's why there's things like the black and white festival in colombia where millions of people paint their faces black yet instead of mocking blacks they are praising them.
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>>10151263
Arab =/= Saudi

While I agree that Saudi Arabia has many human rights issues, systemic slavery of whites is not one of them. Dismissing the criticism of the false equivalency provided because there are other problems is dumb.
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>>10151265
Okay? What does that have to do with the fact that she didn't mean to offend? You don't care about what actually matters, you ENJOY getting offended.
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>>10151269
You don't get a pass just because you're ignorant. You also don't need to defend someone for BEING ignorant. She can learn and do better, but she doesn't need your white knight nonsense.
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Jesus christ /cgl/ is 180 degrees of difference from the rest of 4chan.
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>>10151274
Yeah, some decent people who aren't apologists for racism actually drop by here once in awhile.
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>>10151271
Ignorant of what? Something that people chose to be offended by rather than have a real reason to do so, i.e someone's intention? If she was acting like a monkey then that'd be offensive, but no, you want to apply your standards to others.

This is like when Mario dressed up as a mariachi player and white americans started getting offended on behalf of mexicans, who in turn mocked them saying they actually loved it. Intention is what matters.
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>>10151274
tumblr STRONK
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>>10151277
But if I as a white woman can't be offended on their behalf, who will be? You think those dumb shitskins are smart enough to tell how offensive it really is? If they could just have the intellectual capacity to agree with me, I wouldn't have to do their thinking for them!
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>>10151277
Sounds like someone just wants to wear blackface.
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>>10151257
Slavery was a major part of north african trade until the European navies made them stop.
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>>10151249
I'd argue 80% itt is just getting offended on the behalf of other people.
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>>10151281
North African slave trade (re: Barbary trade) was never as widespread nor as systemic as American and European slaving. It was about equivalent to Viking and Roman slaving. We don't feel the repercussions of North African or Viking slave trade anymore, but we certainly do of European and American, to the point that *points to entire thread* is a heated debate based on one of the consequences of that slave trade.
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>>10151274
Because most people on /cgl/ are female. And the vast majority of people in the cosplay world are very left leaning.

It shouldn't be surprising.
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>>10151284
Yeah it wasn't as big because they were as advanced as the Europeans, and on top of that they stopped later.
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>>10151267
>>10151257
It's not like it was only whites enslaving blacks, or even them primarily running around in Africa with nets in hand trying to catch them. Africans were enslaved by other African tribes, who then sold them forwards to whites and arabs, who continued to sell them forwards to different regions.
Yes, the market for slaves is what resulted in people being enslaved but saying that it was purely European demand is ridiculous, since amount of slaves that were sold to Asia outnumbers the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

>>10151187
My point is that unlike in America where painting one's face is obviously frowned down upon and made a big deal of, in parts of Europe it's surprisingly commonplace.
You act like it's crazy that somebody could be this ignorant, but when something is only made big deal of in certain circles, is it really that weird for people outside of that circle to be aware of its signifigance? This is like people getting upset about others calling anime characters "traps" or using the r-word because they are considered absolutely unusable in their circles. But unlike with the n-word there really hasn't been wide attempt at making the words taboo, so of course most people would not be aware of the weight they carry.
Blackface is considered such an obvious taboo in USA that it's not really talked about anymore, and when other countries have very limited history with it, of course there's people who would not be aware of it.
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>>10149852
Do you see darker people lightening their skin to cosplay pale characters? No? Okay then.
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>>10151298
I do. Both black people and Asians.
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>>10151298
Yes, it's pretty common in Japanese cosplay events.
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>>10151298
yes
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>>10151260
You’re a tapdancing coon
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>>10151312
I said for someone without brain damage.
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>>10149852
You’re just a cosplayer, you’re not an actor taking the role of a POC character so worrying about whitewashing is too much. If someone accused you of whitewashing just for cosplaying a POC character they’re being hysterical.

The way I see it is that you can color your skin unnatural colors (for things like aliens or trolls etc) because it’s a part of a costume, whereas a natural real life skin color is just “this character is a human.” If you feel the need to color your skin to cosplay a character like that you’re sort of saying that you see the skin color to be just as fantastical as an alien’s or whatever.

As for her getting banned from twitch, you have to remember it’s an American company and stuff like this is prohibited in their TOS.
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>>10151313
You a tapdancing, shucking, jiving , massa apologist coon
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>>10151316
speak english fucker, what are you saying
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>>10151304
>>10151307
These don't count.

>>10151310
Dear god.
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>>10151317
you can find all those words in a dictionary, if you could even read one
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>>10151320
No sorry, can't find the retarded burger slang you're trying sell as a form of communication.
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>>10151322
Get a better dictionary, then
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>>10151325
i'll do when you learn to type in a real language
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>>10151147
>anything someone says I don't like is bait
>that way I don't have to rebuttal anything
kys
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>>10151264
>people who are overly sensitive act like insufferable assholes because they get offended by literally anything
>sane people: Hey stop being so sensitive, you're acting like assholes
>ooooh what's the matter? are you triggered snowflakes?

There was no cognitive dissonance there. No one likes being around insufferable uppity white people speaking on behalf of black people. No sweaty, you're just annoying to everyone around you.
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>>10151261
If people are using American platforms, they should be expecting American values and laws to be inforced. Same applies to 4chan, the laws enforced on 4chan are the laws of america. Its in the rules. Twitch is owned by Amazon which is based in America. They're not going to reflect Lithiumiana's values and history.
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>>10151361
One could say this applies more to racists and their apologists than well-meaning, if reactionary, advocates.
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>sensitive Tumblrites dissuade people from accurate cosplay
>cosplayers hesitant to cosplay black characters for fear of backlash and inaccuracy
>black character representation remains low in cosplay
>lack of representation makes people not care about black characters
>black characters are unpopular and suffer low representation in media
If your goal is to continue oppressing black representation, you're doing one hell of a job.
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>>10151371
/pol/fags should actively help call out cosplayers who do black characters. I don't know why you're out here defending it when ultimately serves your greater interest.
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>>10151363
Mostly I'm saying this to make people understand the differences in cultural values. I agree with the temporary ban, since people have to learn at some point what is acceptable where, but if anybody from /cgl/ visits conventions on Nordic countries they shouldn't be freaked out by people using bodypaint to look darker skinned.

>>10151371
People who whine about white people cosplaying black characters are either idiot teens who misguidedly want to make difference in the world or very disingenious people.
Usually you can tell the two apart and it's easy to disregard disingenious people, but the teens are an actual problem, as can be seen from artists and writers who have been harassed to no end due to them daring to produce content containing fetishes or pairings that some people might object to.
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>>10149852
I'm black.
This argument has been going on for ages. I'm going to say the same shit I said back when brown facing was brought up in 2011. Smearing brown makeup on yourself not only looks like you smeared shit all over yourself but it gets you a lot of hate too. If you are so intent on cosplaying a brown person despite the thousands of other pale skin options and feel the need to change your skin for it... just tan. Anyone who uses brown face paint at this point is most likely aware of the social repercussions, and if not they deserve to get shit on anyway because it just looks bad.
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>>10151385
Shh, your opinion doesn't matter here, whites have it handled.
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>>10151371
Yeah, cause that's how this works and also futanari has totally contributed to the acceptance of trans people /s
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>>10151394
>futa = trans
You might be retarded or disingenuous.
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>>10151385
Whites will handle how blacks are treated, okay? Now scurry off! /s
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>>10151203
>thinking american white girls are the only ones upset about this shit
Saying this as a Black girl, painting your skin to look a different race is retarded in general.
Nobody cares if a white person does a cosplay of a black or any non-white character, it's when you start face painting yourself in to a different race where it all goes south.
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>>10151203
Mein Neger. Maybe it's not even a racial trait and more of a masculine trait to not get so offended by things. I'm a burger and equally unbothered, but our (extremely limited) sample of black burger women seems offended.

Which I find a bit funny because that demographic has way more elephants in the room to be upset about than cosplay politics if they're going the easily offended route but w/e.
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>>10151357
bait
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Look Pa, I caughta biggun!
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>>10151402
It was an argument some idiots were trying to make to say that anime had done more for trans people than actual trans activists b/c futa.
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>>10151448
>masculine trait to not get so offended by things

Whew the toxic masculinity
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>>10151585
I can literally only comprehend this response as a confirmation. I can't process any other meaning from it.
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>>10151586
>only black women get offended
based retard
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can we agree that darknening/ fake tanning your skin for a canonically tan character ( asian or white) , when you are lighter is not black/brown facing. And is it offensive by nature ?
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>>10151448
>blackface is okay because im not a black woman and empathizing with them will damage my fragile masculinity so i will defect the issue instead towards a horse of another color

based
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>>10151618
No you fucking tool. It's pretty obvious when it's supposed to be mocking or not.
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>>10151620
>It's so incomprehensible to me that someone's not as easily upset by costuming as I am. I know, they must secretly have some sort of culturally ingrained metasensitivity. Because a global conspiracy of an underground culture that'll summon the man-police to put shoe polish on their faces in front of Anon makes more sense than a colored-- person of color not having the same sociopolitical alignment I was told they should have.
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>>10151630
seething
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>>10151328
>not knowing about urban dictionary
Retards should stay off the internet
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I am in awe of the idiots screeching ~muh accuracy~ as if these cosplays aren't shit-tier, even without the controversial, dick-move body paint.

Anyone with skill can create a successful and recognizable cosplay of a character with a different racial background than their own !without! altering skin color.
it always looks awful and is an insensitive thing to do. don't interact with the online community if you insist on doing things to royally slight its members. feel free to practice blackface in your home or with your small local group of outcasts, but don't expect the international community to be a homogeneous support if you share that garbage.

I always wonder about the people shouting about how this is unfair. like, do you have friends? does your family like you and communicate with you often? do you have a job at which you're forced to work with and alongside others?
You can't do whatever you feel like or think of, expecting to not get any backlash or consequences.
It's something you learn growing up, unless you're a fucking adult baby.

How are 4channers still so completely unaware of how unrighteously sociopathic they are? it's 2019, hoooooly shit.
>SHAME
>SHAME SHAME SHAME
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>>10151792
No one's this fucking dumb.
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>>10149900
You're an idiot for thinking blackface only exists in the U.S.

Look up its history on the internet, instead of looking for nude leaks of cosplayers
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>>10151298
Have you never heard of Becofhearts? She rarely wears cosplay without whiteface because she hates being black.
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never
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>>10151843
pretty sure she’s mixed and does editing for more views, dumbass
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If we go on a similar issue, how do we deal with character without specific race/etnicities?Those two character are italian and there as been drama because a mexican and japanese cosplayer darken they skin for the blond character. A lot of people claimed it was brown/race/black facing. Comming from the author the tan skin is mostly to have contrasting color palette for the duo, since character of other ethnicities with background linked to that had appeared in the same manga . And the same go with a lot of anime where dark skined character appears without being human or non white. How do a light skin cosplayer should deal with this, especially when it's a key element of the charadesign ?
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>>10151843
Bec definitely doesn't "hate being black", and she doesn't whiteface. She's occasionally lightened her skin within reason, plus she's mixed. Take your nonsense elsewhere.
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>>10151866
So? She still is a POC that lightens her skin (sorry, just her face) for cosplay. That's what the person was asking for, darker skin people that lighten their skin for white characters.
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What a fascinating experience this thread was
A little pocket of tumbler, right here on exploding vans
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It doesn't matter if you do something racist but "don't mean any harm". It is what it is.
No one told her to go and blacken her skin for a costume, and she shouldn't have done it. Lithuanians and other Europeans are not from some other universe where no one knows what a black person is and racism doesn't real.
You don't get to decide on other people's behalf whether or not they're "actually" offended by something that specifically has to do with them. Stop this nonsense, stop crying about "white guilt!!1". No one cares, just stop doing stupid shit.
Cosplay whatever you want, just don't invoke shitty minstrel blackface. It not only looks disgusting, it's racist.
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>>10152057
>It doesn't matter if you do something racist but "don't mean any harm".

just curious, how do you define racism then?
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>>10149852
White americans should be restricted from doing this. Everyone else - allowed.
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>>10152064
Nah, it seems the general opinion here is don't alter yourself to look a different race because not only is it insensitive (if not ignorant) and you look dumb as hell.
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>>10152087
That's cosplay. And cosplay should look just like character. I don't owe blacks shit, I'm not white american.
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>>10152062
>just curious, how do you define racism then?
Anon, please don't play dumb.
Blackface/minstrelry is an example of something that is racist by definition. You can't do it "without meaning any harm" or remove it from its origin any more than you can walk around in an SS uniform and insist your intent totally makes it not antisemitic.
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>>10152090
>should look just like character
You can do that without trying to look like a racist idiot, anon.
Besides, I wasn't just talking about trying to look Black. Anyone altering themselves to look like a different race looks like a retard.
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>>10152090
We don't owe you shit, either, so stop whining to us about your feelings. Being non-American doesn't give you a pass.
Also, Twitch, FB, etc are American-owned services that don't owe you shit, especially if you purposely go against their culture. Go bitch on VK or whatever it is you use.
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>>10152094
Skin colour is a part of the character. You can't cosplay Hulk without painting your skin green. You can't cosplay Blade without painting your skin black.
>>10152095
>Being non-American doesn't give you a pass.
My ancestors never enslaved blacks and never did blackface, so yeah, I don't owe blacks shit, I don't have white guilt and privilege and according to leftist with their new racism term, I can't be racist.
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>>10152093
>Blackface/minstrelry is an example of something that is racist by definition.
This isn't blackface though. If you think this is blackface, then i'm curious to know how you define blackface. And then get back to me to how you define racism. At the moment if just looks like you just label random things as blackface and racism.
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>>10152099
Two Google searches will define both "blackface" and "racism" for you. If you don't know what blackface is, but apparently literally everyone else on the internet does and can identify it, that's your problem.
I'm sorry that you need other people to Google things for you, but I want you to learn and grow on your own.
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>>10152097
Did you read the rest of my post?
>We don't owe you shit, either, so stop whining to us about your feelings.
>Also, Twitch, FB, etc are American-owned services that don't owe you shit, especially if you purposely go against their culture. Go bitch on VK or whatever it is you use.
No one cares about the uneducated, factually incorrect opinions of some ignorant person bitching about leftists in a country he doesn't even live in, and is too dumb to understand the cultural/racial values of.
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>>10152095
shut up nigger nobody cares
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Honestly black people are more racist than any race nowadays. This arguement is so over done now. Let's move on.
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>>10152107
>waaah waaaah waaaah n-word
Behold the master race
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>>10152105
Actually you owe us. Now, down on your knees and apologize.
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>>10152116
>>10152097
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>>10152116
No, I don't. Go back to watching Blacked or whatever it is you freaks do.
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>>10152113
its funny that they want to pretend to bring each other up, but in reality black people are infamous for bringing each other down. If they think that the white man can't change then they cant wither. Crabs in a barrel.
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>>10152110>>10152110
>invoke racist theatrics
>complain that everybody else is racist for not liking or supporting it
Cringe. I agree that the argument is overdone, too many people throw around the words "[x] guilt" whenever they feel the least bit bad about doing insensitive or dumb things.
Solution: Just don't do blackface or yellowface. It looks bad and it is bad.
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>>10152120
>No, I don't.
Yes, you are. But what did I expected from uncultured uneducated black.
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>>10152122
This post makes zero sense and is very off-topic except that it's vaguely about black people versus white people. Please take your medication, anon.
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>>10152124
>types English like a caveman and doesn't know that blackface is racist
>calls others uneducated and uncultured
Oof
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>>10152126
That's obviously not my first language. Again, I'm not surprised I need to explain this to negro.
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>>10152104
>Two Google searches will define both "blackface" and "racism" for you
I know what those terms mean, so I know they have nothing to do with OP. Thats why i'm asking you what your definition is because it must be different. There is no one wearing a costume exaggerating the features of a stereotypical black man, and no one claiming racial superiority.
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>>10152129
Nope, you clearly do not. I recommend not only reading them again, but looking at the OP image (if you are not blind), and referring to the takes on the cosplay made by countless other people who seem to understand.
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>>10152130
This isn't my first language, either. There is no excuse for your caveman-tier command of grammar and ignorance on racism unless you're literally retarded, troglodyte-kun.
Try Duolingo and/or actually getting an education.
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>>10152133
>and ignorance on racism
There is no such thing, sorry, you are imagining things.
>This isn't my first language
Yeah, right, only americans triggered over this shit.
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>>10152135
Whatever helps you sleep at night, neanderthal-anon.
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>>10152131
>doubleposting
see >>10152132
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>>10152132
>looking at the OP image

ok, now what? What are the exaggerating features of a stereotypical black man being presented in her cosplay?

> other people

What does what other people say have to do with her? Has she made any comments asserting racial superiority?
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>>10152140
I don't need to cope with inferiority complex like blacks who get offended by literally everything. I got no problems with sleeping.
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>>10152146
Calm down, we totally believe you.
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>>10152147
But I'm calm. It's not me who offended by cosplay, lmao.
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>>10152145
>being this obtuse
God helps those who help themselves.
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>>10152148
>apologize to me now u blacks!! u owe me!!! ur mean!!! me so angry i stop englishing right!!! its not my fault, ur all american!!
Sure you are, pal.
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>>10152149
Why are you struggling with the questions, anon?
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>>10152150
>Being this triggered
lol, yeah you totally don't feel inferior.
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>>10152152
Because he is black.
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>>10150812
>dressing up as a black person in a positive way is the same thing as dressing up like a KKK member
What the actual fuck? Fix your community and lose the identity politics.
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>>10151051
I mean, seeing as the Japanese were allies to the Nazis during WW2, they could be a bit less insensitive about this. I love how the Japanese got scot-free out of this situation, even after what they did to China
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>>10151091
> Europeans of all countries enslaved black people and the spread of colonialism in Africa, Asia, and South America

I bet you don't even know half of the countries in Europe if you believe this...Europe isn't only UK, France and the Northerners you know
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>>10151224
You guys are being hypocrites. People do get called out for white-washing characters all the time. You just can't admit that what you really want to say is "don't cosplay these characters at all because they belong to us"
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>>10152186
No where did I state that the examples of wearing a kkk robe for fun and painting your skin black for fun were exactly equivilent in magnitude. Who the fuck would assume that. I was pointing out that they both have negative social and historical connotations.
Fix your reading comprehension, even though I fucked up typing it all out lmao.
And on identity politics. I dont give a fuck about being black or anything politically assosiated with it. Not one of those people. Doesnt change the fact that someone wearing makeup to look black is objectively uncomfortable to look at and distasteful.
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So uh, should you ever lighten or darken your face with makeup then?

It seems that all I see are asians with faces that are 3 shades lighter than their neck/body and its kinda weird.
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>>10149869
youre so fucking dukb blackfishing is the hottest thing i.e. arianna grande
every normie wants to be black
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>>10152110
>Honestly black people are more racist than any race nowadays.

how?
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>>10152064
>white americans
Non-Anericans are even more fucking racist, even worse with their percieved innocence
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>>10152198
Its a buddhist symbol, you idiot. That was the whole point of their post.
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>>10151878 hating it or not, what does "within reason" even mean here? It's ok for her to do it because she's mixed and loves herself? If she can go lighter or darker, so can the rest of us.
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>>10149852
You don't have to mean harm to cause harm
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>>10152300
My take is that if you could reach a skin color with tanning/staying indoors for 3 months, you can use makeup of that color
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>>10149852
This is why sane countries shouldn't rely on burger infrastructure desu
Moral scolds ban you for violating weird burger neuroses you didn't know existed
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>>10152304
Ayrt, that's actually my stance on it as well, at least we agree there. I don't see the point in burning myself in the sun when makeup can do it. Too much sun can cause wrinkles, but tanning lotion for a shade or two isn't hurting anyone, and neither is a light change in makeup, but everyone screams blackface when it's a tone you could probably naturally reach. It goes both ways as long as it's not ridiculously over the top.
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>>10149862
then why do many darker skin people use filters to make themselves lighter in their cosplays, shouldn't your reply be more equal than bias?
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>>10149869
oh that reason, the reality of getting called a racist but when you wash the paint off you still get called a racist for being a european, is that what you are saying sjw?
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>>10149874
oh those actions are not the same are they, google history your own race then report back here and label yourself with the bad stuff they have done. go on I dare ya
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>Mommy! Meanie america isn't letting me dress up as dehumanizing caricatures of minorities!
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>>10150081
explain further why her actions are the same as the actions of the actors of old?
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>>10150376
lol can't even explain
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>>10152153
>projecting this hard
You're the only one with the inferiority complex and triggered feelings, that's why you've been sperging so hard and begging people to apologize. Embarrassing. Go "muh white guilt" somewhere else.
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>>10152152
>>10152159
>ask question
>get answers
>"Why are you struggling with questions"
>proceeds to racebait
The absolute state of Ameriburger education
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>>10149912
>we need to let them have this.
No, we really don't. Baltics for example (like this girl) have been oppressed by Russians for literally centuries and they don't try to pull some retarded race card in return – and f they did, American MUH POC memers would just dismiss it because they're all blondes and no white person can know suffering. The only thing we need to do is destroy the victim-industrial complex.
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Ugh why must the dumbass American social justice bullshit be a thing in Europe now too
I have never seen a black person in anime convention
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>>10152342
Why would Americans care about what Baltics say to Russians? Are you okay?
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>>10152346
>Americans invented tolerance and liberalism
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>>10152346
>I have never seen a black person in anime convention

way to miss the point dumbass
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>>10152348
This is exactly my point actually. Why would Baltics care about what Americans say to other Americans? Who cares about your faggy local blackface issues? Nobody should be banned from a global platform because of some petty local special-interest politics shit. You wouldn't like to get banned from Twitch for saying something that could be interpreted (by someone with a chip on their shoulder) as insensitive about Riga without knowing it.
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>>10152350
>social justice
>tolerant
>liberal
You sure as fuck invented that type of intolerant antisocial illiberalism.
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>>10152354
>Nobody should be banned from a global platform because of some petty local special-interest politics shit.

Twitch is an American website. Don't like their rules? Go use another platform to be bigoted against POC
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>>10152342
>Baltics for example (like this girl) have been oppressed by Russians for literally centuries
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>>10152358
Stop offering services globally if you're unwilling to rise above your parochial local politics
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>>10151279
underrated post desu
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>>10152362
Oppresions of blacks is global , especially among the gaming community
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>>10152354
So, don't use American venues. We don't go to VK and complain that we were banned for disregarding Russia's cultural values.
If you choose to be ignorant to the proprietor's wishes, they reserve the right to deny you service. The reason it's global is because not everybody in the world is ignorant, close-minded and insensitive to said proprietor's values.
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>>10152340
>>get answers
"God helps those who help themselves." isn't an answer to my question.
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>>10150812
What about blackface to do dark link?
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>>10152232
Your irrational sensitivities to seeing makeup on someone's face is not a valid argument. We live in a time where some people actually believe making an "ok" symbol with your hand is a sign of white supremacy. Just because you're an idiot doesn't mean we're all obligated to oblige your idiocy.

People can wear facepaint in cosplay. You are free to have your opinion but attempting to shame others into cosplaying the way YOU want them to is out of line.
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>>10152390
People can do whatever they want, but they should also be aware that people can respond however they want, too. You don't get to decide what other people are and aren't allowed to say or feel in response to seeing something necessarily ignorant, sorry to break it to you, snowflake.
People are free to shame anyone they want, free speech exists.
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>>10152391
This is not innocent critique. This is an attempting to publicly shame a cosplayer in order to get them to conform to the pointless tenets of your politically-correct cult. You want to bully a person into submission using fallacious logic and citing your own emotions as a source.

You can have an opinion, but as you just pointed out, other people are free to say how your opinion is fucking retarded, as most people in this thread already agree.
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>>10152367
>13% of the population is comiting 52% of all violent crime

Makes you wonder who is actually oppressing who. Be a better person and maybe you'll receive less racism.
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>>10152397
Weren't you just arguing that it wasn't racist? And now you're turning out to actually agree with racism? Hmm
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>>10152399
That's two different things, dummy.

This is why you guys do so poorly on standardized tests.
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>>10152395
If public shaming is such a big issue, it's best to not put yourself on public platforms like the internet. Just live your life instead of screaming about "politically correct cults" and "cyberbullying". It's embarrassing otherwise.
If you want attention, understand that no one is obliged to coddle you, especially if you do dumb things like painting your face with oil in a misguided bid to look like another race.
I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me, it's you who's going on about how everybody not agreeing with you is evil and a "bully" who wants to "shame" you.
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>>10152400
>what is reading comprehension
Your arguments look more and more flat with each post. I'm not the person you were arguing with, btw.
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>>10152397
>America is the entire world, and its statistics apply to the entire world
found the brainlet
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>>10152401
>If you cosplay in the way I don't like, you shouldn't make it public and just go into hiding because some idiotic black people might seek to destroy you

You're the bad guy. Not the other way around.

>>10152403
Considering that you already used the "reading comprehension" line before I'm doubting that. Also notice how you're no longer arguing anything and resorting to ad hominem because your point didn't hold up to scrutiny.
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>>10152404
Which country with a significant black population doesn't have crime problems within its black communities?

I'll wait.
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>>10152405
>The internet is only for me and my opinions. Stop disagreeing with me, you bully!
Also, you do realize more than one person is in this thread, right? For example, I posted
>>10152372
>>10152385
>>10152391
>>10152399
>>10152403
but none of the images posted ITT, and I wasn't part of the discussions at the start of the thread. If you're a habitual samefag, power to you, but not everybody is. Crying "ad hominem" when someone points out you're bad at this isn't going to help you when your points are already weak.
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>>10152237
It's not a problem as long as you're still trying to look like yourself, just with paler skin or a tan.
If it's feasibly possible for you to turn a certain skintone if you spend enough time in the sun or cold weather, there's no problem, like >>10152304 said.
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>>10152409
Already went over this. Your attempt to bully cosplayers into submission is not innocent crtique. There's a reason why cyberbullying gets you banned on most social media platforms. You're a fucking asshole. Nobody cares that you got triggered from seeing body paint.

In the meantime, consider the possibility that your anger and intolerance towards other people is exactly what CAUSES racism. Most people are tired of black outrage culture and your feeling entitled to telling others what they are/aren't allowed to do or say.

>"Ayo dat white gurl be paintin her face. LETZ GET DAT BITCH DAWG! SHE GONNA LERN TODAY."

You are your own worst enemy.
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>>10152409
I was just the guy asking about dark link.
Does he count as "dark" or black?
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>>10152415
All I'm seeing is
>REEEEE stop ruining my life with mean comments you're CAUSING RACISM by HURTING MY FEELINGS bullying bullying bullying those fucking blacks REEEE
Get a grip, you snowflake. You will be okay without a hugbox or Twitch orbiters. No one has burned down your house or tried to kill you. It's not that deep. Everything will be fine.

>>10152418
Sorry, misquoted
IMO Dark Link is just dark. Shadow Link. So no, I wouldn't consider that "blackface", even if there are others who might.
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>>10152407
How do you define a significant black population?
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>>10152288
I get the point asshole, and still they chose to ignore any other interpretation, and use the actual Nazi swastika for fashion, because they think this is below them
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>>10152323
Tanning your skin for cosplaying a tan character has nothing to do with black face but ok. Don't hurt yourself by all that reaching you are doing.
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>>10152367
>stop being so parochial and self-obsessed, don't inflate your local problems to universal issues
>BUT ALL OUR LOCAL CONCERNS ARE GLOBAL, REEEEE
lmao
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>>10152358
>>10152372
>muh american platforms
When all other arguments fail and you need to resort to ridiculous shit
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Blackface makes caricatures of black people, but this cosplayer does not seem to be doing that.
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That entire cosplay looks like shit, and she's not that attractive either. Not sure if there's any point in getting mad.
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>>10152432
You were just complaining about how this is an American-only problem. The solution is obviously to stay away from American websites and use ones that are more in line with your world view.
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>>10152436
We're not the same anon, oaf. I'm the mone making fun of you guys' retarded cultural values. It's cringy how you've managed to crawl so far up your own asses you can't even see reality from there.

That being said >>10152358 really is a full retard post that deserves all the mockery it can get since the idea that this is bigotry is totally imbecilic and the term POC is smoothbrained nonsense, not even used much in America except by people who also get really angry if you say "colored people".
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>>10152435
Also people should know by now that getting angry at this type of things just makes the situation worse, as now she most likely will get more supporters from people who think this is bullshit. So I guess it's good for her.
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>>10152421
You call other people "snowflakes" while simultaneously berating a woman because you got triggered by seeing bodypaint. You are the only snowflake here, Jamal.
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>bump limit reached
thank the gods.
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>>10152440
Can you actually come up with a decent counterargument to the point, or are you just going to call everyone idiots and obsess over some random person using the word "POC"?
You can avoid American problems by avoiding American venues. Why be so entitled as to think you should be able to use a platform while disrespecting its owner's rules, norms and values?
Do you go to Japanese forums and shitpost loudly because you don't know or care about their rules or etiquette, then start a huge fuss when you obviously get banned for poor conduct?

In all honesty, this kind of thing is probably why 2ch bans non-Japanese IPs once and for all. For every foreign user who will be respectful and a good poster, there are still a few who give no fucks and will screech into eternity when they can't circumvent rules and/or be disrespectful to Japanese culture freely because they're gaijin (which makes them innocent and can-do-no-wrong, I guess).

Americans are a bit more open-minded since it's a melting pot of a country, but they also have their own values. That cosplayer learned, and so have others who may just be finding out about this. Maybe they'll unban her if she tells them she truly meant no harm and didn't know what blackface is, but either way, there are other sites she can use.
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>>10152444
I haven't berated anyone, and I'm far from a "Jamal", but keep throwing tantrums about how rude comments "destroy" you, snowflake. I'm not sure how you can even use 4chan while being this sensitive.
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>>10152448
>Americans are a bit more open-minded since it's a melting pot of a country, but they also have their own values.
I'd be fine with it if they were American values and she was violating those, but those aren't the values coming through here. American values produce Trump. Only a subset of American moral scolds subscribe to bullshit like "POC", reparations, cultural appropriaton, blackface, MUH BIGOTRY etc. ad nauseam, they're just loud. If you ask some rando in Indiana, Kentucky, New Jersey, whatever, he won't give a fuck about blackface, and doesn't think that makes him a bigot.
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>>10152451
There's obviously more than one face to America, and clearly, the face that you seem to dislike is the one in charge of important, large platforms like Twitch.
You can't actually say which one is "real" America, especially if you yourself aren't American.
To expand the Japan comparison, there are Japanese nationalists who despise Korean immigrants and all non-Japanese people in general and want them out of their country and away from their sites, versus Japanese people who don't give a fuck and accept Korean people, and even find other cultures cool or interesting. One will ban you for whiteknighting Koreans or just being a filthy gaijin, while the other will ban you for excessive racebaiting or maybe even for being insensitive or racist to Koreans or other cultures in general. You can't call one "true Japanese" and the other "fake" or irrelevant just because you disagree with it.
In the future, maybe just pay attention to both sides (or the culture as a whole), read the air and avoid stepping on toes if you want to use American platforms. It's not hard, they shove their news and issues everywhere down people's throats.
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>>10152452
Social media platforms are not the "face of America". They're private corporations acting in their best interest and reputation, which rarely has anything to do with what is right.

Statistically, only 11% of Americans consider themselves to have progressive values and in this case, only a handful of individuals were "offended" by this cosplay. So it's less a matter of social standards and more a matter of a vocal minority making a big enough stink to get their way. Which is usually the case when it comes to this shit.

It is also a waste of time trying to be politically correct on social media. What one considers "offensive" changes literally day by day and usually correlates less with genuine offensive and more with power. ie people dreaming up ways to get others to do things through shame and fake outrage.

In the meantime, it would be appreciated if you stop pretending progressivism is the "face of America." Most Americans would rather you just shut the fuck up.
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>>10152460
>Social media platforms are not the "face of America".
Why are you pretending to be retarded? Nobody said they were, just that those faces will obviously control certain platforms.
I'm not going to bother reading the rest of your post. If you can misinterpret a simple metaphorical statement like "There's obviously more than one face to America, and clearly, the face that you seem to dislike is the one in charge of important, large platforms like Twitch" and twist it into "Social networks are the face of America", you can turn blue into red and make the sun rise in the west as long as it fits your argument.
I wish anons would seek an education instead of just complaining all day.
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>>10152466
>Nobody said they were
>"the face that you seem to dislike is the one in charge of important, large platforms like Twitch."

>I'm not going to reply to the rest of your post because I can't. I mean...I didn't read it. Yeah.
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>>10152470
How does
>"the face that you seem to dislike is the one in charge of important, large platforms like Twitch."
translate to
>"Social media platforms are the face of America"
exactly?
And no, I actually didn't read the rest of your post, which is how I responded so quickly. I'm sure the arguments therein are just as poor. It's crazy how happy you are to twist words, try to insist you've done no such thing, and twist words again in memetext.
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sure is cosplay in here
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>>10152460
>What one considers "offensive" changes literally day by day and usually correlates less with genuine offensive and more with power

Blackface been offensive for decades
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>>10152473
You literally just described social media companies like twitch as the face of America. You just said it in different words.

>I DIDN'T READ YOUR ARGUMENT LALA I'M NOT LISTENING LALA
Why are you even here if you're unable to form an argument? Shitposting is a waste of time. Go back to twitter and yell about how paint is racist.
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>>10152480
Good thing this isn't blackface then.
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>>10152481
Nope, I said
>"the face that you seem to dislike is the one in charge of important, large platforms like Twitch."
I don't know why you can't read, or what alternate reality you must be living in to think that literally, unequivocally reads "Social media platforms are the face of America", but you need to wake up.
You're trying to change words into whatever you want them to mean instead of what they actually mean, and that's not only intellectually dishonest, it's near-delusional.
As soon as you can come to your senses, more people will give your attempts at debate the time of day.
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>>10152482
it is blackface
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Lifeline’s design is pretty distinct enough to be recognized without the dark skin
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>>10149852
>>10149864
Using makeup to add blushes, hide moles, zits, etc. is okay.
Using makeup to change your skin color is also okay when only fictional characters have it (Mystique from x-men, Interstella 5555 etc)
Using makeup to change your skin color to something real people have is not okay.

My best guess as to why, is that races are different, and any acknowledgement of this makes stupid people uncomfortable.
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>>10152480
*centuries
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>>10152395
Guess what buddy, shaming people who do dumb shit publicly gets them to confirm. That's how society works. You sound like you're so eager to defend this blackface cosplay. Go ahead and do it yourself then. Paint your face black to look black as a black character and go to a convention, on my word someone would knock you out and if not, many people will avoid you, yell at you, swear at you, etc. You sound unironically autistic. As if you have no concept of social reinforcement. You're right in a way. That girl has the right to cosplay however she wants to. And everybody else will react accordingly. How did they react? She got banned.
Upon looking up pics of blackface I found this Asian nigga and I find it funny af. I'm completely ok with it. And I wondered why for a moment. After about half a second I realized it was probably because their ancestors didn't enslave mine.
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Man this entire thread has been retarded and unimportant. And I feel ashamed for adding to this useless dialogue. Fuckinn, dont paint yourself black if you're white and it's not a part of any tradition. Robert Downy Jr. Was the last exception thats just about it.



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