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Old thread hit bump limit >>9891945

This thread is for ouji and aristocrat (aka "boystyle") discussion. "Boystyle" is shorthand for "boystyle lolita" and refers to the masculine counterparts of lolita and, often, aristocrat fashions. There is a lot of overlap between these styles, and different people use different terms to describe them. So, consider this a thread for those whose style is on the right half of Buttcape's Lolita Family Triangle: http://www.kawacura.com/moripress/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/0dmmLH6-350x350.jpg

>Shopping spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j7sg2_7CvXUeIgZGGSLvJ9lUUuSVXhW8FlWWFwiv1Yk/edit?usp=docslist_api

>Buttcape-sensei's shopping guide (mentions which brands/shops have men's or custom sizes):
https://drive.google.com/open?id=12fA-VA2PkRctKPlYFsT3GnIba-Ytdt-RArDfLw0Bba4

>Blogs for current boystyle releases, news, and info
palaceofprincesupdates.tumblr.com
ouji-armoire.tumblr.com
buttcape[.]blogspot[.]com

Google your questions before asking them here.

Read the whole thread before asking questions here.

OC and selfposts encouraged! Random picspam discouraged.

Discussion: What new ouji resources can we add to this OP for future generals?
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some new releases.

Amastacia, "A Gaze into the Abyss"
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new Taiwanese brand British Wardrobe has a flamingo print, with a waistcoat whose cut is allegedly inspired by 18th century menswear
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Ozz Oneste continues to market their new releases as oujiable
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Atelier Pierrot presented their ouji items, which came out last season, with Halloween flair in this coord
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Metamorphose has wa-style jackets out
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Miho Matsuda has a long vest with skull buttons
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ZJ Story thought this model was a good idea for their Twilight's Chapter Seven series
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Moitie's revival has still only seen one EGA item release, this blouse with removable jabot. Mana-sama has promised more, and has also promised to release more in the EGM, Elegant Gothic Madame, line, which we have mistakenly in the past referred to as "femme aristo".
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AatP has a coat for reservation, in off white and black, and it is also available in men's size
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>>10025415

They look more qi to me with the frog clasps. Also not a huge fan of the lacing
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>>10025429
frog clasps are not exclusive to qi-style desu
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>>10025442
but they are Chinese elements and not Japanese
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today i learned @byakuya_a is 41 years old. i hope to age half as well.

>>10025569
well, take it up with Meta
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>>10025423
We've been blind
>>10025634
kudos for being able to pose with a whip without looking cringe
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>>10025650
their poses are glorious

>unrelated

FashionSnap has a slideshow for Baby's 30 year anniversary fashion show. here are all the ouji looks
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>>10027073
forgot the link: https://www.fashionsnap.com/article/2018-10-28/babythestarsshinebright-show/
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>>10027074
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>>10027075
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>>10027076
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>>10027077
even the back is cute
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>>10027078
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>>10027079
the gold pattern on this pink fabric is beautiful
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>>10027080
end dump
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>>10025410
the pants need lining.
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>>10027901
to be more specific, this sort of thin fabric never looks good in ouji, and the tight cut will exacerbate its unflattering nature.
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>>10027901
I thought those were yoga pants from the thumbnail
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>>10027903
It's only unflattering if you're chub
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Cat's Tea Party rerelease has knocked the lolitas out of their rocking horse shoes. is there anything for ouji that would be worth a rerelease? or anything you personally would like to see?

i would like to see Funeral Procession vest in more colorways, like the lavender and the red that the dresses were released in.
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>>10029466
This coat with a men's size and that one bat-lapeled velvet coat
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>>10025409
I'm out of the loop, but why haven't palaceofprinces posted any updates since February despite lots of new releases?
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>>10029617
Some mods started shitposting one weekend and the owner got breakdown due to it. Maybe the drama was too much for them to keep going.
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>>10029667
PoP died long before that. They got into fights with each other and one of them tried to keep the tumblr going for a bit alone. The others thought it was weird for her to keep using their images online and during cons when they aren’t on speaking terms.

Then one of the guys did the shitposting and the mod who was posting said fuck it.
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La Foret is doing Harry Potter collabs with brands such as AatP and Meta: https://www.laforet.ne.jp/special/wizardingworld/?fbclid=IwAR3ughE-kLqS-o9Myd3eDGn1GuEhmzvFUnqDi9uMtb5Ttx0xohLsGkN13RA

>pic related

>>10029673
damn.
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hypothetically if a guys wants to wear or get into this fashion. Would he have to wear a wig or make up? What are the rules?
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>>10031043
the rules are the same for men as for women.

you do not need to wear a wig, but your hair must look good with your coord. most men keep their hair too short or unstyled and it looks bad.

makeup is not necessary, but a clean face is. maintain good hygeine and grooming. you will look better with at least minimal makeup, though. a bit of BB cream can help smooth out imperfections and provide some moisture.

Ouji's Armoire on tumblr and Buttcape's Ouji Guide on Blogspot have good rundowns of rules for ouji, so read and reread em

Elliott aka Technotropism (pictured) may be everyone's favorite ouji man. he uses his natural hair, and moderate makeup.
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>>10031379
WRONG IMAGE

that is Greg, not Elliott

ignore Greg, he is cool but not great (sorry Greg)
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>>10031380
and here is technotropism sans goatee
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>>10027901
these look much better
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here’s another natural hair ouji
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How do I find the black version of these pants? I can find the top but the rest I cant even find it. Can you guys help? Its called NyaNya lolita kaguya
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Where can you buy American size or custome size ouji stuff? Seems like they are all female asian size.
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>>10031668
check the links in the OP.
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>>10031380

>ignore Greg, he is cool but not great (sorry Greg)

Lmao this cracked me up. Poor Greg.

sage for OT
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Triple Fortune has released some blouses in a range of colors for ouji, if you would like a neck ruff
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I'm a 6 foot tall guy that has been interested in boystyle for a bit, but I keep having issues with sleeves fitting. should I just give up on this fashion because I'm not a manlet or accept I have to pay out the ass for custom peices?
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>>10033228
pay out the ass, man. you deserve to be fancy.
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new Boz blouse. the pinticks seem dramatic. i like it
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new Boz winter coat
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is there any place that sells coats like what Triple Fortune wears
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>>10037076
They make their own stuff so...
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>>10025634
Kudos to him for looking great and pulling off well a casual cosplay of Richter Belmont at the same time.
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>>10037642
*her
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Boz lucky packs are out

>pants
https://www.atelier-boz.co.jp/products/detail/175
>shorts
https://www.atelier-boz.co.jp/products/detail/174


>>10037081
guess it's off to the home furnishings section of Joann Fabrics
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Are there any actual buttcapes available rn? I've been looking for ages but I always seem to miss them.
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>>10039588
sheglit and boz both have some in their online shops. where have you been looking?
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in Soviet Russia, bear wears ouji
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Ozz Oneste has a Prince and Princess collection for 2018 Autumn/Winter. the embroidery on the items looks very detailed.

https://ozzon-japan.jp/collections/2018aw-prince-and-princess/
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@teamyokan on Twitter did menhera-style makeup with a shiro ouji coord. there are no other menerha elements aside from the makeup, which i thought was cool-looking.
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h.Naoto's dragon scale vest is now available in 3 different sizes and 3 different colors: https://hnaoto.shop/hn/gosstyle/201811/1127-dragon/?___store=japanese&___from_store=english&fbclid=IwAR2a2dNW1g2TVOvyrqm9BnAFPkYiy7v3KMw1rZjJb_QXPr3cYNJTsaGcmtM
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>>10045167
*2 sizes
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>>10043240
Not sure why you called this menhera-styled makeup. looks like typical asian makeup styles, not menhera at all
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Buttcape has a brief overview of AatP's design timeline: https://buttcape[fullstop]blogspot[fullstop]com/2018/11/ouji-trends-alice-and-pirates-then-and.html?m=1

she tracks who the main designers were and points out that the latest looks on the runway lacked any black coords. the write-up misses including sweeter sets from old/midschool times, though.

>>10045183
that is what the ouji in the photo labelled it: "menhera shiro ouji". i used a screenshot so the original Japanese caption would be demonstrated. i am no menhera expert, but the look does seem to me to be different from what oujis in Japan usually wear for makeup. perhaps it is meant to combine the styles
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>>10045339
KERA's writeup of the anniversary event is also up: http://kerastyle.jp/fashion/25141

to review the ouji looks, you can visit them at >>10027073

however, the KERA article has coords beyond what were in the fashion show. they have disabled right-clicking to view and save the images, so here are screenshots of the non-runway ouji coords from the article.

props to pic related dude for rocking natural hair without dullness.
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>>10045343
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>>10045344
it seems ouji is entering OTT sweet mode. Buttcape attributes the design shift to Chinese consumer influence, but i think it is just an overdue evolution of ouji, as it finally breaks from the standard of "butler-kei" to move closer to what is happening in lolita fashion.
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>>10025409

Who is the qt in the pic?
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>>10045770
buttcape
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Is boy style actually for men, or is it basically a crossplay genre of cgl?
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>>10045848
your answers are in the first post, newfriend.
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>>10045848
i skimmed the thread to confirm that there have been discussions of men in ouji in this general already. if you cannot read a gen this short (69 replies, many of which are just images), or search to see if your topic has been covered, 4chan may not be the right place for you.
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>>10045848
every single ouji is a woman crossplaying a male character.

>pic related, the lolita is in an alternative fashion but the ouji is actually a crossplay of an NPC from a mobile dating sim
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>>10046007
another lolita with a crossplayer. this woman was so dedicated, she picked a character whose outfit would match the lolita's clothes, and for realism, she applied each facial hair individually!
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>>10046011
lolitas don't mind their partners showing up to fashion events in crossplay, as long they match. this is why oujis are called "accessories." women have to pick a male character who will complement a lolita's personal style
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>>10046018
of course, it's easier for asian boystylers to pass as men, because asians are naturally more androgynous.

>pic related, an infamous crossdresser who sticks to Kaori Yuki characters when she crossplays
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>>10046020
in fact, the most popular boystyler is Manna Samma, who is so good at crossplaying video game characters that she makes people question their sexualities.
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(this is what she looks like out of crossplay, for reference.)
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>>10046020
Those poor clothes are about to explode.
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I noticed that ouji has mostly long sleeves for every jacket and blouse. Is it possible to wear short sleeves and not make it look like a blouse meant for lolita? Please dump your pics if you have any good examples
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>>10045345
It's weird to me because so many people consider the roland a dream item, while it is perhaps the most toned down, traditionally masculine piece in the fashion. While more on the OTT side, people also consider things like captain hollow, napoleon, versailles and crimson jack to be AatP's peak, while they go on to release fewer and fewer things in that style. Maybe the asian market is eating it up, in comparison?

I find it difficult (and imagine it impossible for the average person) to look at most OTT lolita and see something.. wearable. While the material in
>>10045343 leaves a bit to be desired, it at least looks like a functional outfit, inspired by but distinct from vkei.

>>10046007
>>10046011
>>10046018
These are nice examples of what people imagine when an ouji accessory is mentioned - and if they could be considered accessories, it is undeniable that they fit in and match the aesthetic of lolita.

>>10027074
>>10025634
These things for example strike me as distinctly ouji,

>>10027079
>>10045344
While these bear very little resemblance. These look a lot like a lolita coord with pants.. and I think there is a difference between lolita with pants, and ouji. As an exercise you can look through CoF or wherever, cover up the top half, and then the bottom half of a coord, 'rate' each individually, and then as a whole. The top and bottom of most outfits rarely seem to play well with each other, because people are mixing things like rolands with shorts and OTKs and while we consider both of those ouji, the bisection looks like two completely different styles are being propped one on top of the other.

meanwhile where do we draw the line between aristo and ouji
why does lolita have such ridiculous rigid structure and we have like 5 distinct, neglected and poorly understood styles huddled under one name like an orphanage for bad fashion ideas
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>>10046020
anon, this is a dude, not a "crossplayer"
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>>10046557
i am in shock that you could not detect their sarcasm
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>>10046557

>Can't see someone's being sarcastic
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>>10046557
she's just really good at crossplaying. much more believable than >>10046011, whose beard is obviously fake
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>meanwhile where do we draw the line between aristo and ouji
>why does lolita have such ridiculous rigid structure and we have like 5 distinct, neglected and poorly understood styles huddled under one name like an orphanage for bad fashion ideas
because people spread misinformation over a decade ago, and nobody corrected them loudly enough.

"aristocrat" is only really used by Moitie.

"ouji" is what most people call boystyle lolita. and "boystyle" is a phrase used by entities such as KERA to describe the masculine counterpart to any particular fashion. it got traction in the West in order to refer to "ouji and aristocrat" a few years ago.

for many designers, ouji is simply lolita with pants. especially feminine ouji styles and also i think especially for taobao brands. for Japanese designers, ouji is often an afterthought for lolita. not much energy or creativity goes into the design.

AatP is trying some very experimental silhouettes for ouji, maybe because the fashion in general is nebulously defined and even they, as the most popular ouji brand maybe, do not have a clear vision for it.

when i look at a KERA spread like this, which features many casual-er ways to wear ouji, it seems like there is a lot of untapped potential to the style that most designers ignore. so fashion editors and oujis themselves have to compensate and figure out the possibilities and limits of the fashion on their own. or else stick with the very practical but boring "default" of "lolita, but not as girly, with pants and other plausibly masculine clothing items." i.e., no headbows or bonnets.
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>>10046712
furthering the status of ouji as a bastard child of Harajuku fashion, a genderless half-sibling if lolita, a lot of Japanese people who wear "ouji" just call it "lolita". "Here is my lolita coord today," they say, and it is a standard ouji look.

even this KERA spread throws some stuff together and calls it a "lolita school boy look," not ouji. but i have seen coords that look like this tagged by the Japanese person wearing it as ouji. and offbrand ouji coords on sites like wear.jp tend to follow the basic structure of pants or shorts, a button down, and another layer on the torso (a vest, jacket, or cardigan).

please forgive my disorganized thoughts. i am on my way out the door. i share your frustration about ouji as a fashion orphan, and it has driven me to obsession.
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>>10046722
>genderless half-sibling if lolita
*of not if
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>>10046712
there used to be a big fuss over people combining the ouji and aristo threads as though they were different enough so as to require separation.. but the aristo threads were even more dead than the ouji threads, and have now been assimilated into the boystyle thread. i'm still not sure if aristo is an ouji substyle or if ouji and aristo are very distinct boystyle.. styes.


Early lolita in general is full of creativity and experimentation. I think I recall someone on LJ proclaiming themselves an authority on lolita, and pulling a list of rules out of their ass, and for some reason it caught on. I'm sure original lolitas would look at those rules we now follow and spit on them.

Casual lolita and ouji is really interesting, because half the community will swear that any casual lolita coord is not lolita at all, probably citing one of those rules a westerner made up on LJ a decade after lolita became a thing. The death of punk is pretty unfortunate, since it most often broke the established rules with creative offbrand and unconventional silhouettes. It doesn't feel like there is much driving the fashion forward except for the taobao brands that are mostly producing shonen protagonist and sherlock holmes outfits, which, while cool in their own right, are pretty difficult to build a daily wardrobe out of.
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>>10046722
>>10046722
I am very tired and not thinking properly, but I had a recent discussion that is sort of relevant to how the japanese do not necessarily distinguish lolita from ouji. I love and hate ouji with equal intensity, and this annoyance has plagued me for several ages, and I have grown old with the deep existential sorrow in my heart of not knowing exactly what to tag my photos as besides "not-kodona".

When a lolita brand makes tshirts, sweaters and pajamas, it is sort of accepted that these are novelties, not to be worn with lolita, but to show your support of the brand or something in normie wear. This seems silly to me, when the brand is clearly making more clothes to be worn with their other clothes. Meta makes a pair of pink shorts, you wear them with a blouse, socks and shoes all from Meta. Meta is a lolita brand, and everything you are wearing constitutes a lolita coordinate except for the pants. This does not suddenly make it a different genre altogether, it is lolita. If you posted it to CoF however, the community would be at odds arguing over why it was not lolita, that it was ouji, or that it was neither.

This is sort of why I feel like ouji should stay on the masculine end of the spectrum, because it's mostly just lolita with pants and I think lolita with pants should just be lolita. By heading back into the cutesy prince end of the spectrum, the more similar it is to frilly lolita, the less of an individual identity it has, it becomes less its own thing. That might be exactly where it needs to go, and should have been all this time to begin with, and maybe the masculine/mature look can live on as aristocrat or something. The dozen active ouji in the world should make a vote. Personally, the less interchangeable lolita and ouji clothing is, to me, the better.


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>>10046756
While I sympathize with you, and generally prefer the more masculine side of ouji myself, I don't really understand or agree with your desire to create such a dramatic distinction between ouji and lolita. From the very beginning, ouji was always the "boystyle" version of lolita. They're like sibling fashions, so I think it's reasonable that there would be some overlap or gray area between the two. If we were to eliminate all of the "lolita" elements and pieces from the definition of what is considered ouji, I think we'd be left with a very limited and rigid style, with a tiny number of brands rarely producing pieces, which would be nearly indistinguishable from western historical fashion. Maybe that's not exactly what you're suggesting, in which case I apologize for misrepresenting your argument, but to me the variety of styles and mix of masculine and feminine elements in ouji is a positive thing. It gives us flexibility and more pieces to work with, and it's not like you have to wear the more feminine or sweet elements if you don't want to.

Despite the stricter "rules" laid out for lolita (mostly in the west), there's still a good amount of variety within the style. For example, a cute OTT sweet coord will look quite different from a mature gothic coord (which could even feature the "traditionally masculine" Roland mentioned in >>10046385). I think what you're proposing would be similar to lolitas saying that only the most OTT sweet coordinates should truly be considered lolita, because all other styles are not frilly and feminine enough. It really cuts down on what you can do within the style.
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>>10046756
Why can't people just wear what they like, the way the like it? If someone likes cute ouji good, if someone wears mature ouji still good. Who cares! You don't necessarily need to find a term that 100% perfectly describes your style. And a style doesn't need to be 100% definite and precise (I think it isn't even possible!). I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just sorry that it's so complicated for you and that you are kind of feeling bad over something that I personally find quite simple.
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That being said, I do understand the frustration that comes comes with your preferred style falling out of favor and not getting many new releases. I like the more masculine stuff too. But unfortunately narrowing the definition of ouji to be just that and nothing else won't change that. All we can really do for now is scour second hand sales for pieces we like, share photos of our coords/support others with similar sensibilities and hope our style catches on, and of course throw money at brands on the occasion they do release stuff we like. Trends come and go, and if we're lucky, it'll come back around eventually.

>>10046731
>>10046756
>not sure if aristo is an ouji substyle
>the masculine/mature look can live on as aristocrat

In Japan, aristocrat is definitely not a substyle of ouji. I kind of think of it as a cousin to the sibling relationship that ouji and lolita have. There are similarities/overlap, but not quite much. The styling is a lot more gothic, it generally has a pretty flowy look, makeup is dark around the eyes to contrast with the rest of the face, and visual kei hair is pretty common. I feel like I'm not doing the best job of describing it, but if you just look at a picture of Mana and compare it to any ouji, the differences should become apparent. Since they are so distinct in styling under this definition, it would be a little odd to transfer more mature variations of ouji to be under this label.

In the west, aristocrat is what you call your ouji coord when you're worried about being perceived as cute or girl-y, so I guess if we stick with this definition, it could work.

>people are mixing things like rolands with shorts and OTKs
Just out of curiosity, do you think Rolands should never be worn with short pants and OTKs? Or did you just mean shorts of a certain length?
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Oh dear, I made a bad sleep deprivation rant again..

I was trying to be silly with how extreme I described my anguish and confusion. I think that all the labels and categorization are an obnoxious nightmare, and that it's all just lolita. My frustration is when anything too casual or too mature is called out as not-lolita, because the over complicated system of categorization exists and is accepted. Maybe it is only a loud minority having not-lolita arguments though. I mean, shit, as far as I'm concerned otome is just casual lolita. Google otome and tell me that 9/10 of the top results aren't just lolita without a petti, and then tell me where lolitas in 1999 decreed that the fashion required a petticoat.

I've found that we treat 'pirate' and 'military' and 'vampire' ouji for example as their own substyles, when they are just themes. We have sweet, gothic, and classic ouji the same way lolita does. Pirate and vampire ouji are as much a substyle as pirate and vampire lolita - they generally fall under gothic, maybe classic.. but hell, you could do a creative sweet vampire if you wanted to.


The only real issue that I have with the sweet and mature ouji coords being under the same label is that I end up in an ocean of cutesy boys clothing when I search for items or coords in tags. If it were common use to tag gothic_ouji or aristouji or something, would slightly improve quality of life. Maybe it'll catch on like kodona if we just force the meme.
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>>10047128
Oh look it's ciel
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>>10047065
>I think what you're proposing would be similar to lolitas saying that only the most OTT sweet coordinates should truly be considered lolita

I think it is all lolita. Ouji is just lolita with pants. If you look at goth fashion, they don't have a different word for what the men wear and what the women wear, for example, that would be silly. I think I am in an argument with myself over whether or not the ouji term justifies its own existence, should be abolished or try to branch off from lolita.

>>10047089
>do you think Rolands should never be worn with short pants and OTKs? Or did you just mean shorts of a certain length?
I have worn them together, and I have seen them worn well, but the silhouette can be hard to balance. I think that the length and boxy fit of almost all brand-bottoms are the issue; they aren't something you can easily tailor to your body and most people wouldn't dare anyways.

Pic related is in my nonspo folder for proportions.. maybe, on a slim female frame, one of two of these might work. I find similar issues with many ouji coords that use unflattering combinations of long jackets and short pants/shorts, causing the legs especially to look extremely short. If you look at any guide to short-mens fashion (and most ouji are short women wearing mens fashion, so.. similar enough) ouji ticks off a lot of the "do not" boxes. These guys extend their torsos with untucked shorts making them look like they have dwarf legs, along with giant disproportionate clown shoes compared to what's going on up top.
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>>10047138
before >>10046557 goes off on me posting ciel was a joke
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>>10047145
>Marilyn Monroe with a bandana and gun shirt
I hate these things so much. That and the overly tattooed Snow White shirts.
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>>10047128
>Pirate and vampire ouji are as much a substyle as pirate and vampire lolita - they generally fall under gothic, maybe classic.. but hell, you could do a creative sweet vampire if you wanted to.
>The only real issue that I have with the sweet and mature ouji coords being under the same label is that I end up in an ocean of cutesy boys clothing when I search for items or coords in tags.
agreed. use #classicouji or #gothicouji if you like. i would advise against #aristouji because that would shift the jargon even further from its Japanese roots and increase rather than decrease label confusion.

lolita is still lolita whether it be Fanny Rosie or Lovely Lor. ouji is still ouji even when it is mature! though, perhaps "mature ouji" would not be a bad tag.
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>>10046152
i have a few. i hope they are ok for your needs
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>>10049070
this is a bit more difficult than i thought, to find pics represent diverse styles but also short-sleeved.
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>>10049077
not sure if elbow-length is good
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>>10049109
sweet and especially sailor seem to be the way to go
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>>10049126
but darker styles seem to work if you can find a non-puffy sleeve maybe
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>>10049127
and military shirts/jackets also seem available in short sleeve styles
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jackets seem less likely to be short sleeved but 3/4 seem available
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who wants a $60 beret
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>>10051065
If it weren't for the price I'd get it since it's MmM and similar to my military beret
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>>10051065
lol I have you even seen the angelic pretty berets..
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>>10051423
do they have more decoration than a logo?
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@kiraouji on Instagram posted this glow-up photo comparison. i notice some of the items are the same, but are worn better. the coord is much improved by simple tweaks in styling.
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>>10051694
I like this a lot! The new coord is so much more flattering.
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>>10051636

Dude, you don't pay MmM for more extras on everything, you pay AP if what you want is more stuff on your stuff.

You pay MmM precisely because they show taste and restraint by placing one logo in a spot that looks good.

Though, that said. I'm not feeling >>10051065 for some reason.
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>>10051787
>ah yes, my gothic coord is almost complete
>I know exactly what it needs
>a beret
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>>10051787
the thing is black berets cost 5 bucks and dont have any emblems
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>>10052351

Yeah, but not having any logo on your beret is equally as bad as having too much stuff on your beret.
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>>10051694
it flows much nicer from top to bottom, i think the black sweater, red shorts, bare knees and black socks create really unflattering horizontal colour blocks that break up the body and make everything seem shorter and chunkier instead of long and sleek
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>>10054161
thanks for breaking that down, gull, it is helpful
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>>10025409
could someone make the doc/drive links in the OP accessible to non google users? thank you
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>>10056231
are you able to host them on another platform if someone does?
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>>10052366
NARYT If someone gets a plain beret would a pin or something solve the problem? Or it is a matter of quality associated with a logo?
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>>10059405
plain berets are awesome because you can dress them up with different pins, brooches, etc. each time you wear them
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new AatP boots are amazing
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>>10061266
so is their spiderweb applique set but it is only offered in 1 size. and after Halloween for some reason
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>>10061266
Stiletto heels look so trashy in ouji, I wish we could get some decent military boots but these are not them..
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hey folks, im looking to get into ouji fashion but kinda struggling to build a wardrobe (I'm having a hard time finding brand stuff and im nervous about ordering stuff in case it doesnt fit me) I was thinking of making some of my own pieces and if you have any refs of people who wear hand made ouji? I know handmade lolita is a thing but I havent seen handmade ouji before. Many thanks!
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>>10061266
These just remind me of Leg Avenue slutty pirate costume boots Halloween stores have had for years.
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>>10025423
Madame/ Madam has always been the term for ‘femme aristo’ and you can find it in the older Bibles referenced this way. The much-smaller style just fell out of general favor as something distinct so that name kind of got forgotten I guess? I think it’s a lovely and elegant style and I’m glad Mana is paying it some attention.
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>>10062895
@elisabeth_and_yoru, @sorgevinter, and @nicolasdaiglere on instagram
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>>10062938
Is that the name for it? I've always only ever seen it lumped into Aristo. I'm glad there's going to be more mature looks. I think I'll just keep calling it Aristo though. I'll adopt Madame when it becomes more prominent and well known, I think.
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>>10062979
I like the instagram links, but what's Greg's instagram?

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>>10063186
call it EGM now. waiting does no one any good.

>>10064240
his twitter is https://mobile.twitter.com/guregu

KERA also featured him!: http://kerastyle.jp/snap/25830
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>>10061266
The design is great. It's only the thin heels that are stopping me from buying them. If they were thicker or if the bottoms were like the bottoms of platform shoes, these would be a 10/10
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a Moitie coord from Girlism fashion show. where did they find this old-ass hat?

>>10065719
it probably would not be difficult to mod them
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>>10067432
Atelier Pierrot
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>>10067438
Vertu Noir (part of an ero collection)
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>>10067440
AatP

put this on my body
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>>10067442
sweeter AatP
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>>10067442
I need those breeches
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>>10067432
check out this 10,000 yen top hat from Moitie
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>>10071867
Just the other day I laughed at the OG MmM tophat (fashion show pic) at ClosetChild Shinjuku, but compared to the new one I cant tell which one is worse. Spider one is my fave though, pic related. I think there's a version with blue spider as well, or if I'm confusing it with the rose vine (?) top hat
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>>10071914
The rose one for comparison and for those not knowledgeable about MmM's gloriously tacky hat history
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>>10071867
Does it even come with the blue rose?
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>>10074303
No...it’s not attached to the hat.
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>>10051065
>being this new
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Anyone got any classic-style ouji co ords to share ? Been looking around but it's quite niche
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>>10071914
i need it.

>>10074405
classic ouji is very popular. what sort of style of classic seems rare to you? i will post a few coords across a range of classic ouji.
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>>10075857
are any of these close to what you seek?
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>>10075861
that footwear offends me so i will end the dump here instead.
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>>10025414
Ok Edward scissor pants
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anyone oujis make a 2018 wardrobe post?
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>>10078467

I would, but I just started, so it's basically empty.



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