New thread since last one hit image limit. Post your Misatos or just anything Eva related with Misato in it
>>4260187>>version of Eva where Kaworu is allowed to be included in class 2-A and has a life outside of SEELE's glowniggatry>>rest of class 2-A are also pilots and have their own teamsYeah sounds comfy indeed, I really do hope now that the series has essentially been made into an open source franchise that we get comfy spinoffs like this, I know Anno already expressed that he had a hankering to make an inter-quel between 2.0 & 3.0 to show what happened following the NERV civil war, as well as how everyone transitioned from their relatively bubbly classic NGE selves in 2.0, to battle hardened vets that have a hatred for the Eva units and their ramifications like we see in 3.0It'd probably work better as a series but even just a comfy manga akin to what the Clone Wars was for Star Wars where it fills in the gap between the two films with side plots and tons of foreshadowing
>>4260187>>rest of class 2-A are also pilots and have their own teamsMan I can already see some of the quirky subplots like perhaps having Asuka, Rei & Shinji facing off against Toji, Kensuke & Hikari as to see who can score more Angel kills, presumably at the behest of Asuka given how rampant of a competitive brat she is, and how Kensuke would probably just spend all the fights cooming over the equipment he gets to use given his military brat otaku archetype
>>4260053Its been a minute since I watched through it, but IIRC at the time, SEELE was aware that something was up with unit 01 and was looking for a way to cut Gendo out of the deal, so I interpreted unit 03's appearance to be their doing. How exactly they planned to go about this im not sure since unit 03 was destroyed right after, but I think the whole thing reeks of their involvement. >>4260196I think they rationalized it with the fact that this was the only way to save humanity from the angels. Ritsuko was much colder than Misato, in this reguard. Ritsuko was seemingly okay with letting the children suffer what they must as long as the mission was accomplished, almost like a less morally twisted version of Gendo. Misato however, seemed to aknowladge that they have to use Shinji and the others for this, but still did her best to aknowladge that they weren't just tools and tried to care for them as best she could. >>4260201Personally i wish there was more work (official or otherise) on what could have happened had Kaji and Shinji pieced everything together and made some effort to stop it rather than just accepting his fate and becoming suicidal, respectively.
>>4260254>what could have happened had Kaji and Shinji pieced everything together and made some effort to stop it rather than just accepting his fate and becoming suicidal, respectively.iirc that's whats implied to have kicked off the NERV civil war between 2.0 & 3.0, I forget which official source states it but the gist was basically in the Rebuild timeline Kaji is able to piece together what the human instrumentality project is and helps found a splinter group within NERV. The blue armbands you see the members of the WILLE wearing in 3.0 and Thrice were the denoting markers when the signal was called to rebel against NERV of who was friend and foe. After the split in the chaos they seized the WILLE and founded some form of HQ which we see appendages of in Thrice when Asuka talks about all the time she spent living with Kensuke when the ship was getting refueled.
>>4260274That's mostly why I said It'd be neat to see a series or film focused around the gap, since that civil war / rebellion in itself has no on screen or on page depiction aside from verbal references the characters make to it in 3.0 and Thrice.One of them even has a neat little bit of dialogue in Thrice that I think gets overlooked. The pink haired side character is tying one of many arm bands onto another member, and she asks why he's sporting many, to which the other member responds "for each friend I lost in the uprising." I think either her or someone else follows up that question with "Why blue?" and a different member in the background responds "We wish to return the sea to it's original blue hue, so blue was chosen".I know people have their gripes with the rebuilds but I like how they offer a different perspective to the series as well as serve as a sort of sequel to NGE while at the same time being something new.
>>4260274>>4260280Im pretty sure the civil war at the end of 2.0 took place after NTI, not before, so im pretty sure Gendo's plan would have been laid bare by then. Kaji just took point because he knew the most about it but by then everything seemed to be in motion. I was more reffering to what could have happened had he or Shinji done so BEFORE then, particlarly in the actual series. It's a scenario that you dont hear much about. Though I suppose you would get a story that's less End of Evangelion and more Deus Ex, but I digress. >>4260280my gripes with 3.0 are mostly in how it handels the charecters and the logic in some of their actions, but that kind of started with 2.0 so I wont be too harsh on them. The different take on things was neat and it's nice we didnt just get four beat-for-beat recreations of the series. Though if someone wanted to take the series and stretch it out to be further in length to give the plot a little more time ala the manga, i wouldn't exactly be opposed.
>>4260303>I was more reffering to what could have happened had he or Shinji done so BEFORE then, particlarly in the actual series. It's a scenario that you dont hear much about.Ah I see what you're talking about now, yeah I hadnt considered that by the time of 2.0 they basically know what Gendo and SEELE were up to so Kaji piecing it together is sorta null at that point.It would be neat to see some more of that clandestine / espionage sorta stuff in the series given how shady of an organization NERV is. iirc the only thing that sorta fits with what you're talking about that exists atm was this game exclusively made for Japan where you're contracted as some sort of PI for NERV to figure out where the leaks are coming from, and at the end it's revealed that the player character is a friend of Kaji's, and the final mission of the game is you actually going out to plug him as is seen in the original series and the manga.
>>4260303>my gripes with 3.0 are mostly in how it handels the charecters and the logic in some of their actions, but that kind of started with 2.0 so I wont be too harsh on them.Yeah I know most people tend to loathe the roles Asuka & Misato play in the rebuilds as they're de-emphasized in favour of expanding Shinji's relationship with Rei & Kaworu. However since I dont really consider the Rebuilds to be standalone media (if you hadn't watched the original series +EoE half of the finer details in the first two films would be incomprehensible aside from "depressed boy pilots robot, robot girl gains feelings & tsundere gets jealous") I dont see this as too much of a gripe since it's assuming that you're watching the films because you saw the original series & ending movie at some point. And given how Asuka is basically the primary focus relative to all the other supporting characters in the original series, with her presence basically being essential to EoE's plot; (1/2)
>>4260312>>4260303(2/2) I can kinda forgive or at least withhold my harsher takes on the Rebuilds if you look at the original series as their narrative territory, and the Rebuilds as Rei's & Kaworu's. Given how Misato & Asuka's character is given a full arc and conclusion in the TV show and movie while Rei and Kaworu basically stay diagetically nebulous even towards the end I can appreciate that they were brave enough to de-emphasize two fan favourites in service of what they thought would be a compelling to the greater lore of the series. That being said sure they arent perfect films ofc, you can especially feel the disjointedness between 2.0 & 3.0 with some of the settings; but overall I like that we essentially have complete stories and motivations for all of the main 3 + Misato; rather than had they just gone beat for beat and remade the original story to the T and leaving the plot threads with Kaworu and Rei untreaded.
>>4260314*A compelling addition to the greater lore of the series
>>4260303>I suppose you would get a story that's less End of Evangelion and more Deus Ex, but I digress"for over a century there's been a conspiracy of SEELE against ordinary people, it's called instrumentality." "do you have a single fact to back that up?""NERV is so big you don't know who you're working for, that's terror. terror built into the system."
>>4260373This but unironically, I'd gladly watch a spy series about Kaji's mole network trying to piece together what Gendo & Fuyutsuki were up to.I think the most underplayed element of the series aside from the other NERV branches being explored is just how much glowie tier shit they were up to, You think they were essentially committing massive acts of Human Trafficking of pilots from all the schools they reaped from in the name of stopping the angels? It's those sort of questions that freak me out the most but I want to know more
>>4260374honestly now that I think about it, Shinji getting kidnapped and interrogated by SEELE only to slip away and find out that he was underneath NERV the whole time is a neat mental image.
>>4260376Bro just casually comes up with kino.Fuck me I know the series needs to take a break for a bit given 3.0 + 1.0 was only about a year and a half ago but man I hope when it inevitably does return even without Anno's involvement that we get some neat alternative scenarios like this.Like another scenario I was bringing up in the other thread was had unit 03 not been corrupted by the 13th angel perhaps we could've seen real tactical formation and strategy between units 00-02, and a B team consisting of Shinji's friends from his class piloting units 03, 05 and 06 given unit 04 was lost to the Sea of Dirac.My dream is that this franchise becomes akin to what Lovecraft did at the end of his life where he just went "yeah fuck it you niggas can use my universe and lore just tie it back to my shit and don't contradict it too much"
>>4260314>2/2) I can kinda forgive or at least withhold my harsher takes on the Rebuilds if you look at the original series as their narrative territory, and the Rebuilds as Rei's & Kaworu's. Given how Misato & Asuka's character is given a full arc and conclusion in the TV show and movie while Rei and Kaworu basically stay diagetically nebulous even towards the end I can appreciate that they were brave enough to de-emphasize two fan favourites in service of what they thought would be a compelling to the greater lore of the series.I'll say that's a fair enough interpretation on Rei and Kaworu's point. The better aspects of the rebuilds are almost entirely on them and Shinji. My gripes with how they handled Asuka and especially Misato after 2.0. With Asuka, right off the bat you see her being subject to a fair bit of flanderization but that's not exactly unexpected when you move the focus away from a character as you suggested, but then in 3.0 it downright comical with how she acts like a teenage angst fueled toddler while supposedly being a combat veteran of 14 years. It's very jarring to go from Soryu to what she was in 3.0 imho. Then Misato goes from perfectly fine in 2.0 to an absolute mess in 3.0, with her characterization and motives being so poorly written at times that things start to break down if you think about them too much. It really leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but the further away the movies got from the Wunder and WILLE, the better things were. I will say, most of my gripes are with 3.0. 1.0 and 2.0 had some issues but overall were fun watches. 3.0 just got stupid at times.
>>4260379I do think they sorta resolved some of what Misato was feeling in 3.0 in Thrice at least given how that movie basically hits you over the head with the theme of guilt and baggage, especially with Misato's moment with the picture of her son and Shinji together, where she realizes that she was basically projecting all of her issues and problems onto who was still basically her kid, and one that couldn't have known the ramifications of what he'd cause trying to save Rei. They even have a moment of reconciliation after she gets shot by Toji's sister. For me at least, the characters motives being vague and contradictory kinda works in 3.0 if you look at it from the same lens as say the last stretch of episodes in the original series, especially after Kaji dies, and when Rei II dies Misato quite literally offers to fuck a 14 year old to rid him of his pain over the death of his friend, among other behavioral oddities (arguably the worst is the EoE kiss which also makes no sense)
>>4260380oh dont get me wrong i SEE what they were attempting, i just dont think it was done very well at all. Misato knows Shinji had just as little of a hand in NTI as the rest of them did since she (and even other crew members) acknowledge that Gendo played them all, Shinji included, like a fiddle but then he's still treated like cattle. Then after all this we get a few moments where the narrative says "but she still loves him :)". It just didn't work in my opinion. The characters motives aren't just odd and contradictory, they're downright nonsensical at times.
>>4260381but yes, they did do very well with Kaworu and Rei in the rebuilds, even in 3.0.
>>4260379As for Asuka, yeah there's a bit of flanderization but it's not entirely out of character for her to basically regress to an almost teenager like state. If you look at it from her perspective, after seeing the person who literally ended the world to save who she considered some worthless soulless automaton, after having done nothing when she got fucked by Bardiel in unit 03 which caused some multitude of problems I'm sure; Yeah I think I'd probably get angry to the point of doing worse than what she did, which was just punch some glass, act snarky and leave. Her trying to stop Shinji from starting the Fourth Impact makes sense from the perspective that the retard was so desperate to try and "correct" or (not) redo things that the retard actually pulls the spears from the corpse of Lilith when even his boyfriend Kaworu tells him to stop and basically gets him killed as the choker registers him as an angel.
>>4260381Yeah the miscommunication on their part at least to me I think was intentional, given how again the last stretch of episodes in NGE leading to EoE was basically just "haha if only they actually opened up to each other and talked then the world wouldnt be basically set up to end"This seems to be the same thing just from a very rushed Anno & crew given they didnt have a full 5 or 6 eps to do it like in the TV series and had to cram all of it into a single film. Them treating Shinji like shit for something they're misunderstanding or are just blind to / unwilling to admit that they too are to blame, sounds in line with what the original series wanted to convey. Given how 3I in the original show was basically caused because no one wanted to actually sit down and tell Shinji what he needed to hear, same happens here with 4I in 3.0 except it's a bit more condensed and ofc suffers a bit since there's way less room for adequate pacing in a 1.5 hr film
>>4260382Yeah honestly that film made me feel real bad for Rei (IV?) Q since literally every single interaction with her in that movie is just someone going "Man I miss the old Rei, this new Rei is fucking useless". And you can see her start getting gaslit by everyone and question who she even is which was real tragic when you consider what happens to her in the final film. Like when Shinji unknowingly says on live coms "why'd we have to bring *that* Rei" and she just kinda frowns and gets sad, or when she sees the Lilith corpse turn into tomato juice and resemble her face and she starts freaking out saying "is that me? Who am I?" are pretty depressing. Versus the TV series where Rei II dies and Rei III is just a soulless husk for the last stretch of episodes until EoE.
>>4260383Her opening scene in 3.0 was probably her high point imho. After that she mostly just reverts to her childish nonsense we've seen from her in the other movies. But this is supposedly after 14 years of thinking Shinji was dead and having to fight for WILLE. It just doesn't make much sense and seems silly. Its only later when she's trying to stop Shinji when her motivations make sense again, but if they didn't things would really break down like they did on the Wunder. It all feels very disjointed until later on and it makes it hard for me to get into the movies past 2.0
>>4260625That's fair yeah the opening act up until Unit 09 comes and swoops Shinji does feel real strange to watch even on repeat viewings from just how much whiplash there is going from 2.0 to 3.0. I'm sure Anno intended it to be confusing to have the audience view everything from Shinji's perspective after just waking up but given how they only had one movie to convey that much shit going on it can leave a sour taste in some people's mouths.Asuka barely gets any screen time in 3.0 since it's mostly just Shinji and his BF, and if Anno had the balls to make a rebuild without Shinji like he originally wanted to for 3.0 I'm sure we would've just gotten the first act of 3.0 + 1.0 as 3.0 instead. There's even some stuff saying that 3.0 and 3.0 + 1.0 were supposed to be one film but the cut got so long the studio made him split it, and then that lead to other things and tampering on behalf of the big wigs which sent Anno into that infamous 10 year depression between the last two films.
>>4260625I find when watching 3.0 and watching 3.0 + 1.0 immediately after it makes 3.0 shine a *tad* more or at least feel less "WTF is going on" but 3.0 is probably still my least favourite of the Tetralogy. 2.0 and Thrice easily are the highlights of the series imo and I hope we get more kino Eva once it comes out of the however many year rest it's going to be in now that Anno has essentially washed his hands of the series and left it to others.
>>4260625Other than Asuka one of the biggest missed opportunities imo was Ritsuko because after 2.0 she has like maybe, 1 page of lines in total split between 3.0 and 3.0 + 1.0? and half of them are just "are you sure captain?" or "Captain Misato, we need to ______". She was probably the most interesting of the non military / Eva related characters given her duality with NERV given her mom and Gendo, as well as her own shenanigans sleeping with Gendo and I wish we could've seen a tad more instead of the two characters (Midori & Sakura) they pushed in her stead as secondaries
>>4260645>he was probably the most interesting of the non military / Eva related characters given her duality with NERV given her mom and Gendo, as well as her own shenanigans sleeping with Gendo and I wish we could've seen a tad more instead of the two characters (Midori & Sakura) they pushed in her stead as secondariesyeah, i was very surprised they never delved into that. Did Misato and the rest of the crew know about Ritsuko's involvment with Gendo? was she keeping it from them? its an interesting question that they really didn't go into as much as they should have imho.>>4260201>>4260187A series about all the Eva kids getting to be pilots and form their own teams together does indeed sound comfy, but this is Eva so you know it wont last. Inevitably it would probobly devolve into what >>4260196 said, where the reality sets in that these kids are ultimately slaves to NERV and SEELE's whim.
>>4260810>but this is Eva so you know it wont last. Inevitably it would probobly devolve into what >>4260196 said, where the reality sets in that these kids are ultimately slaves to NERV and SEELE's whim.That's what makes it sounds comfy; A show that on the surface seems like it'll be about kids learning to pilot mechs to save the world turns into glowie interference and the pilots start having psychological breakdowns. It'd be like the part of the series where Asuka becomes comatose but you'd have a wider range of kids losing their shit and putting stress on the logistical staff like the bridge trio and Ritsuko. I can already imagine scenarios where a pilot has a mental breakdown in the field mid angel battle and ends up getting eaten or absorbed into an angel like we see in 2.0 with Rei II, and the kids now have to fight a creature that beams telepathic messages into their mind about how they should feel guilty for letting their friend die while taking the form of said friend.
>>4260816There are lots of fucked up scenarios i can think off the top of my head that can really get intense the more the story goes on>Shinji getting hit with the hallelujah beam and getting mind raped or taken over by amirsrael>rei watching in horror but not knowing why she's so scared>horaki watching Toji getting taken over by bardiel>kensuke getting swallowed by leliel with shinji and regretting being a pilot >Kaworu having a mental breakdown the closer instrumentality gets>all of the pilots being forced to do their duties through injury and pain>NERV placing more and more restrictions on them to keep them from leaving, effectively imprisoning them in NERV
>>4260863>lelielSuch an underused angel, I hate that we didnt get the rebuild treatment for him because it was probably the most compelling being any of the pilots ever had to go up against.The fact it's a fourth dimensional being that can summon literal pocket dimensions in the sea of dirac. Honestly you could even repeat the Bardiel fight in a more compelling way by having it so that unit 04 who was lost say comes out of it's shadow and starts fighting the other pilots
>>4260863>>NERV placing more and more restrictions on them to keep them from leaving, effectively imprisoning them in NERVYeah I could see them say escorting them with armed guards to make sure they cant speak with the other pilots to organize against them.You could even do a subplot about social isolation since they'd effectively be in solitary confinement aside from when they'd get summoned to fight
>>4260902I wonder how much of this Misato would be willing to stomach, especially in regards to Shinji. She was probably the one who saw how wrong the treatment of the kids was in the original series, after all.>>4260900That's a good scenario right there. Unit 04 might not be too much worse than your average angel, but unit 01 would be a big problem, id think. Shinji and Unit-01 mopped the floor with Eva-02 when Kaworu took it, iirc.
>>4260972>I wonder how much of this Misato would be willing to stomach, especially in regards to Shinji.Given her psychosexual mother thing going on plus her stripes she'd probably try to pull rank on the NERV or JSSDF bodies guarding the rooms of the pilots, and if that didnt work maybe she'd turn to exchanging sexual favours to get Shinji out similar to what Gendo did to get Naoko to do what he wanted.Either that or the isolation of the pilots might catalyze her search for the truth earlier than in the original series and she starts snooping for deets on HIP without Kaji's prodding.I could also see it creating a rift in the NERV staff where Ritsuko would presumably be on the other side of the line. In the original show by the time of Ep 24 the friendship shared between her and Misato was strained so badly she was willing to point a gun at her back and then point blank at her face. So perhaps Rit. takes control of the monitoring of the pilots.
>>4260972>but unit 01 would be a big problemYeah it's funny to think of how many times Unit 01 gets out of precarious situations solely because she's both the Deus Ex Machina and one of the most important MacGuffins of the whole show aside from say the SpoL or Adam's embryo. I always wondered why all the times angels have tried fusing with it like Bardiel or Armisael it didnt just start the impact right there given that the angels are the spawn of Adam and Unit 01 is literally half of Lilith playdoh molded into a mech. The Rebuilds sorta answered that question with Shinji's sperg out over Rei II in 2.22 that awakens Unit 01 and starts 3I early, but since Kaworu stopped it before it got too bad with the SpoC we didnt really get to see the full ramifications of it
>>4260972>Shinji and Unit-01 mopped the floor with Eva-02 when Kaworu took it, iirc.Yeah he straight up kicks it down and it goes limp like a ragdoll before he grabs Kaworu. Corrupted Evas are definitely something that should be explored more in the series when it returns from it's hibernation because it's such a perfect blend of body horror and hard sci-fi fuckery. The reason Bardiel and Armisael stand out the most aside from Leilel and Ramiel is because Bardiel leaves so much of the terror and visuals to the imagination, wondering if Toji is getting vore'd by the blue cum or conversely if he's getting stuffed with it like a twinkie. With Armisael it during the fight when it corrupts unit 00 it literally bloats and deforms the Eva into an almost Carpenter-esque blob and then starts slowly seeping into Rei.The body horror scenarios in Eva were vastly underused for a series about self perception and pain. An angel that say causes hallucinations in the pilots to hallucinate (1/2)
>>4260978(2/2) themselves getting mutilated or assimilated into it similarly to the hallucination man-eater from "Heavenly Delusion" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA4OpTuC_0g ) mean while the fear the pilot exhibits say makes the AT field of said angel stronger making the fight harder for the unafflicted pilots, and so on.
>>4260975Hell now that I think about it it could even get to the point of pretending to go along with the detainment while Misato or the bridge staffers sneak material to the pilots to start an overthrow of NERV, similar to what Barney is doing posing as a metro-cop in HL2. A NERV imposed martial law occupation of Tokyo 3 would also be something pretty neat to explore if this scenario as well since presumably at this point they'd go gloves off and use the fear and chaos to pull some totalitarian shit out of their ass in the name of "safety protocols" should Angels arive
>>4260978>>4260981>Kaji contacts Shinji or Misato before getting iced, lays out SEELE's plan>Shinji gets kidnapped, roughed up and interrogated by SEELE>SEELE figures out Rei is the key to Gendo's plan before Shinji gives them the slip>Shinji finds out he was underneath NERV the whole time and runs>SEELE locks down the city and has their glowniggers hunt him and Rei while Misato scrambles to find them before they end up in the same shallow grave that the glowniggers put Kaji in
>>4261045>Shinji without thinking goes back to Misato's apt>At the foot of the complex he sees it crawling with feds>Leaves tries going to Rei's apt, thinking perhaps they hadnt started looking there>Rei's apt is vacant so Shinji arrives and probably passes out from stress on the floor>Woken up to Rei standing over him wondering why he's limp on her floor>ohfuckImsorry.webp>Rei is completely oblivious to NERV glowies looking for her, Shinji tells her to start packing so they can get out of Tokyo 3 via train>*insert some dialogue distraction about Rei & Shinji liking each other or something, just enough for both of them to get distracted*>Shinji notices phone light beeping but not ringing>Realizes the apt is bugged and that this was a trap to snare them both>JSSDF or NERV goons start swarming the complex and preping to bust in SWAT style>Montage of Shinji panicking & dragging Rei by the hand through either fire escapes or air vents to escape; Rei oblivious to the chase
>>4261110>Shinji and Rei escape to Tokyo-3 only to be completely lost on what to do next>Tokyo-3 already has lockdown measures on a hair trigger thanks to the angels now goes into overdrive>cops and riot police searching everywhere for Shinji and Rei as they try to hide anywhere they can and find a way out of the city>even people getting stopped on the street and asked about them, now anyone would turn them im if they spot them>Even their friends getting questioned for information >meanwhile Misato runs around the city like a madwoman in her car, knowing damn well what will happen to them if SEELE/Tokyo-3's goons find them first
>>4260978>>4260979I think youre right, the body horror aspects of the angels and the Evas were always underestimated. Honestly you could make things much more intense from just a little change by having the pilots recive genuine wounds from when they feel pain in the Eva. I mean, that does happen later on, but introducing that concept sooner could really make you squirm in certain fights. Though I will admit, the most harrowing angel fight was probobly the one where Shinji was screaming into the void while he was trapped in the Sea of Dirac.
>>4261210>In a moment of respite underneath a bridge or something, Shinji explains to Rei how he was interrogated by SEELE and escaping the NERV facility>Shinji explains that they're looking for her because they know she's important to Gendo>Rei for once shows some genuine emotion in the form of fear, she doesn't have Gendo to run to now that she's in hiding with Shinji>Shinji suggests that they attempt to gain access to the tunnel system they used in the fight with Matarael to try and get out of the city>Meanwhile Gendo is growing unstable now that SEELE agents have effectively sealed them in the facility and seized unit 01>He overhears from Ritsuko that Rei is nowhere to be found in the facility and that Shinji is also missing>Cut to Misato looking for hints on where Shinji and Rei are>Goes to Rei's apt after hearing over NERV comms that they failed to capture them in the siege>finds the SDAT & Rei's medication strewn about, realizes Rei wont survive without them
>>4261212Yeah that whole element with the Dirac Seas imo should've been explored more. We see NERV Nevada get consumed by one during the S2 engine experiments and presumably there's now some massive circle of black void in the American southwest where the facility used to be.Leilel in theory could've been an angel that Shinji believed he defeated but over time as SEELE is trying to implement the S2s into the soon to be MPEs perhaps gains it's attention once again, or perhaps the Dirac Sea encounter was so vivid for Shinji that he actually becomes the comatose pilot instead of Asuka, leaving her, Rei and perhaps Toji or Kensuke at the mercy of whatever angels come next, and with no plot armour (shinji/unit 01) around they're genuinely vulnerable and the series becomes akin to a horror series ala "what happens next, what do we do now?" Maybe we even get a reversal of the hospital scene with Asuka yelling at Baka Shinji to wake up because she's scared and wants him to hold her.
>>4261220Perhaps you could even pull something interesting they did from the Rebuilds and have it so that the Leilel encounter either contaminates or inseminates Shinji with some sort of Angel fragment that Ritsuko and the rest of the science faculty are rushing to surgically remove only to find when they touch shinji a Dirac Sea opens and swallows parts of the facility, or have said fragment be some contaminant in his mind that's effectively imprisoning him in his brain with Leilel and they're just going back and forth as he tries to break Shinji psychologically
>>4261212>but introducing that concept sooner could really make you squirm in certain fights.Imagine the Matarael fight when Asuka is getting slobbered on with acid and you start seeing her suit begin to bubble inside the entry plug>or one of the many times Unit 01 had it's limbs broken or severed and we cut to Shinji having a broken arm making piloting even harder in the midst of the fight
>>4261219>Rei starts to realize that Gendo only cared about her for her role in instrumentality, she was a doll just like Asuka said>starts to feel things she's never felt before, hurt, betrayal, anger, fear, ect. and cant process them on her own>they get to a NERV tunnel before finding out that their access cards are dead, scramble to get away before SEELE agents find them, only to barely make it out before they do, but get wounded in the process>try to leave by train, but the train is stopped by agents, searching the car one by one>Misato trying to track them down by any means necssary while evading police>asking passersby, shop keepers even any of Shinji's friends that she bumps into>finally finds them at the train station just before SEELE's agents get to them, runs them down in her car before they can get to them>Shinji and Rei are a little hesitant to go with her at first, afraid that she might still be with NERV>quickly come around after Misato nearly breaks down in relief after finding them[spoiler]this is fun[/spoiler]
>>4261538[spoiler]likewise[/spoiler]>Get in the alpine and speed down streets of T3, cautious to lay low from goons now scouring the city in craft with spotlights>Back to Gendo, effectively prisoner, bridge in disarray, Maya panics, the others bicker while loading guns in fear of invasion. >Over intercom, Old Men demand Gendo relinquish the reigns to Unit 01, the Magi, and turn over Unit 2's pilot.>Bridge + Ritsuko confused, cue questions piling up>Tells Fuyu to manage them and leaves, Walks away into the shadows grimacing>Back to car, Misato discussing possible next moves to escape T3. >Shinji begins to crack, huddled in shotgun. Rei sees tears fall in her lap, confused; then face scrunches into a saddened frown.>Mis looks at rearview, sees Rei wincing with look of sadness and anger>Eyes drift to spatter on lower body; injury sustained from escape, panic in Misato's voice; "The meds" >Shinji head jumps; looks to Misato then rear seat; "Rei!"
>>4261713>Misato stops in the sticks far outside Tokyo-3 once she's sure she hasnt been follwed>has a moment to treat Shinji and Rei's wounds as best she can>When asked what happened to him and where he's been, he reveals what he's learned about SEELE, NERV, and his father>its hard for Misato to wrap her head around, but it explains too much for this to all be wrong>Rei then asks Shinji to explain an emotion she's feeling, she thinks its terror>she's now terrified of instrumentality, a return to nothingness>Misato isnt sure what to do, any chance of stopping this feels almost hopeless with everything against them, but they resolve to try anyway>back at NERV Gendo orders another test of the dummy plug so he can use Unit-01 against SEELE if/when they make their move>the test fails>Gendo begins to murmur to Yui before he demands Ritsuko start the test again>it fails again, this time starting to glare at Gendo from the control room window>Ritsuko tries to stop the test, but after some back and fourth Gendo orders her and the rest of the techs to start the test again>the room is silent as the plug enters Eva-01>the test fails again, only this time with Yui rejecting it completley and Eva-01 breaking free from its holdings>as Eva-01 begins to attack the control room Gendo realizes that his plan is slipping through his fingers
>>4261222They did mention that they had to search him for "metal contamination", so that could be a possibility. Though im not sure if its the angel itself that resides in his mind or if its just some way its impacted his mind. they werent quite clear. >>4261220Arael and Shinji seems like a match made in hell. It's ability to take your most hated aspects of yourself and show them to you on loop combined with Shinji's self loathing seems like it would break him if he ever encountered it. >Shinji that he actually becomes the comatose pilot instead of Asuka, leaving her, Rei and perhaps Toji or Kensuke at the mercy of whatever angels come next, and with no plot armour (shinji/unit 01) around they're genuinely vulnerable and the series becomes akin to a horror series ala "what happens next, what do we do now?"yeah, they'd really be up shit creek by then. Toji and Kensuke (and Horaki if they brought her on) would probobly get the brunt of whatever comes next since they would be the most inexperienced. Toji would probobly be pretty messed up about it too, since he was the one who came to Shinji and acted like he was handed a death sentence when he was told that he was the fourth child. the reversal of the hospital scene also seems like it would be a good fit. Asuka breaking down because she doesn't have Shinji or her competition with him to use as an escape for the reality of her situation.
>>4261881>since he was the one who came to Shinji*in the manga
>>4261881I only wonder what the equivalence in depravity Asuka would exhibit. It wouldn't be in character to jerk it to Shinji's limp body but I could see her doing something that gets her thrown in the NERV brig. In the manga iirc she actually chokes Shinji and they have to sedate her and that was pretty interesting to see how far the mania had progressed.Perhaps she admits she loves him out loud presuming Baka Shinji cant hear her and just speaking that out loud causes something to snap? > Toji and Kensuke (and Hikari) would probably get the brunt of whatever comes next since they would be the most inexperienced.Yeah a situation where one by one the inexperienced pilots drop like flies until it's just Rei and Asuka, and there could be some whole sub plot where the two of them are forced to confront their issues with one another if they're to survive, even if it's just an unspoken agreement that it's at least to protect Shinji. sorta like Rei's sacrifice with the SDAT in 2.0
>>4261882Yeah the fact the nigga dies in the manga hits hard as fuck when you read it, and given that it's what Anno had intended initially for Toji's character I wonder how that would've played out in the TV series, perhaps not much would change as though he lives Shinji effectively behaves as if he died, but perhaps just hearing the words "Toji's dead" would bring him way closer to the mania we see in EoE earlier and have some sort of butterfly effect. They also underexplored the angle of Hikari perhaps blaming Shinji for his death, in the manga he flusters seeing her at his bedside before going "no I didn't kill him please", and that's the furthest it goes but there'd be some interesting narrative possibilities with Shinji dealing with the blame of death, perhaps a situation similar to 3.0?
>>4261878>Rits orders use of Bakelite to stop 01; slows her temporarily but does nothing otherwise>Panic ensues, shots of hallways bisected and staff fleeing>01 clearly after Gendo, the group retreats to CntDog>Maya brings up Asuka given coma + in the path of 01s wrath>cue EoE plan, but instead of the lake sent towards TrmDog to guard door (+ Lilith)>Back to car, Misato listening in on NERV comms pensively>Shinji overlooks dusk & ocean w/ SDAT, Rei leaning on the alpine>Rei patched + meds, goes to Shinji & pulls him over>Whoahug.jpg>In shock falls on ass, nearly drops SDAT into sea>Thanks Shinji for not seeing her as a doll like Gendo, voice trembles>Shinji anxious, chokes on words; Rei continues>Talks about Shinji opening her plug after 5A, says the she feels just like then (love?) >Grabs the SDAT, looks longingly at it, Shinji stunned>Back to Misato, ears perked, eyes focused >Tunes dial as screams on comms grow clear, eyes flare as U01 is said to be cutting thru NERV
>>4262005>back at NERV, unit 01 rampages through the lower levels, breaking out of the test chamber and cutting a swath through to the cage>Everyone in complete disarray, looking to Gendo for commands and realizing that he's nowhere to be found >Ritsuko takes charge, orders Unit-01's umbilical to be cut>it falls to the ground only for the clock to start, 5 minutes until it looses power>they keep trying to slow it down in the meantime, Bakelite, blast doors, weapons, ect, but still cant contain it>all of the cage and the launching pads for the Evas are destroyed, Yui still seeking out Gendo but he's still long gone>Fuyutski hesitant to go down and check out the situation for himself, knows NERV could be raided at any moment as Ritsuko and the rest make it up to central dogma>for the rest of the time until the power to Eva-01 runs out, it wreaks havoc on the inside of NERV, with everyone helpless to stop it without any other Evas to stop it>when the Eva finally runs out of power, Ritsuko wants it moved to cryo storage so it wont activate again only for Gendo to come over the loudspeaker and demand they prepare another test>everyone instantly knows this is insane, members of NERV start a munity and reject the order, fighting amongst themselves on what to do next>Misato is listening in to all this with her head spinning, knows that SEELE will make their move the moment they figure out that NERV is weak, and downright sick to her stomach with worry over Asuka still being trapped in the hospital during the chaos>She looks back to Shinji and Rei somberly, knowing the only way they have a chance to put an end to this madness is through them
>>4262146>Cut to Asuka unconscious in Unit 02, slowly wakes up but unsure if what's around her is real, >Anger when she realizes it's an entry plug, thinks perhaps it's mental purgatory>Verge of tears, feels empty now that her past has been muckraked by Arael>Talks into the void of her entry plug for the presence of Kaji, then her mum, and then to a begrudging surprise, Shinj >*images quickly flash of each, eyes flare as Shinji's image flashes, then eyes & face wrinkle into an angry hysteria & then tears*>Scene exits on zoom out of Asuka cry whispering to herself, knees to chest, hands clenched>Alarms going off in Central Dogma, Ritsuko barks at the techs for sitrep>Hyuga calls out, saying they have reports of breaches to NERV faculties, video on main screen shows armed & masked soldiers cutting thru doors / repelling thru air vents, final shot is one shooting out camera with rifle>unlike EoE, NERV had been expecting an assault and entrenched positions put them and invading forces in a bloody stalemate, battles fluctuate from hallway to hallway>Sounds of gunfire from feeds, shot of Maya curled under desk, head in hands, Aoba stunned with all the alerts coming in on the dash>Old men come on intercom again, saying they've grown tired waiting for Gendo's surrender and will now force it by their own means>Ritsuko orders withdrawing of NERV forces to surround Central Dogma assumes they're coming for the Magi first >Closing off of remaining blast doors w/ Bakelite flood behind retreating forces>Shot of Fuyutsuki with pensive frown on face, talks to himself, quietly admonishes Gendo for his indecisiveness>He looks to video feed of Unit 01 in stasis, shot of eyes flaring but no image of what he's seeing on the monitor
>>4261987Honestly trying to kill Shinji while he's in a coma sounds very in charecter for her if the situation was reversed. She'd go in to ask him to hold her, to wake up, to call her names and show her up in the Eva, only to go into a rage after he doesn't respond. >and there could be some whole sub plot where the two of them are forced to confront their issues with one another if they're to survive, even if it's just an unspoken agreement that it's at least to protect Shinji. sorta like Rei's sacrifice with the SDAT in 2.0I can only imagine how much worse things would be if it was Asuka and Rei stuck together twoards the end of the series. Asuka barely seeing Rei as a person and angry that she even breaths the same air as her, while Rei cant quite understand what is happening. another interesting thing the OP brought up was Kaworu being part of this team, so if he's able to actuallybe a pilot alongside the other kids, the reveal of him being an angel followed by his death would be a gut punch to everyone, not just Shinji. Maybe even Kaworu wouldn't know until its too late.
>>4261989>They also underexplored the angle of Hikari perhaps blaming Shinji for his death,in the manga she didnt seem to blame Shinji, at least she didnt seem very angry with him. She just seemed hopelessly sad. i could imagine with the mania that comes with being a pilot, she'd either be very angry at him or just completley lose hope that she or any of the would survive after Toji's death.
>>4262300I find it ironic I'm finding more fulfilling discussion on Eva here than on /a/ lol, this site has gone to shit.Anyways, >Asuka barely seeing Rei as a person and angry that she even breaths the same air as her, while Rei cant quite understand what is happening.There's so many interesting possibilities with this scenario since we barely get any exhibition of the interactions between those two besides Disdain & ApathyA hypothetical scenario>Shinji is comatose following his battle with Leilel or Arael perhaps>Asuka has begun to dissociate and feels like no one is there to understand her>Doesn't trust Misato so doesn't go home to her apt, stuck between basically living at NERV or floating around aimlessly>Rei grows increasingly weary of everyone after becoming Rei III, just continues to follow orders but refuses to acknowledge anyone>Asuka sees this is Rei trying to flex that she's a better pilot and just better person overall>Sync tests just show Asuka dropping lower and lower>Confronts Rei either at her apt or at NERV, similar to the elevator scene but more upfront>Accuses Rei of essentially shit talking her to the other staff for her low sync rates, or literally anything because she'd basically be projecting at this point>Rei as per usual has no fucking clue what's going on, especially Rei III who's only been a person for like a few days at that point>Asuka sees this as her feigning ignorance or to subtly put her down>Slams her against the wall and screams in her face to answer her, Rei still has no fucking clue what's going on but is now on edge>Something finally sends her over the edge and she starts choking her (the series always had a heavy emphasis/fixation on strangulation thru multiple characters)>Rei perhaps pulls an EoE and and touches her in a somewhat caring way, but to Rei it's just her trying to do anything to not die>Touch starved Asuka fucking breaks down and perhaps trashes the room or whatever
>>4262255>Misato is listening in on all of this over the radio, realizes that this is SEELE making their move, this is their one and only chance to stop them and Gendo's plan>looks over at Rei and Shinji resting, considers just getting back in the car and getting as far away from T3 as possible and never looking back>Decides that she can do it, since even if SEELE doesn't hunt them, their fate would entirely be up to chance on if NERV could stop them from getting to TD>comes over to the kids and lays out the situation, tells them that NERV is under attack and third impact is immient and the only way to stop it is to do something>Shinji is horrified, thinks he's responsible for the attack on NERV, Rei chimes in that if SEELE's plan is the same Gendo's, then everything hinges on Lilith, if they can get rid of her, the plan ends >Rei brings the first bit of hope to this situation since it began, all resolve to go back and try to stop SEELE>Back at NERV, Ritsuko and Fuyutski are effectively in command since Gendo is nowhere to be found>JSSDF agents pushing through barriers at a slower pace, but still breaking through to Central Dogma and the Eva cages slowly>Asuka still having a breakdown, belives Shinji Rei and Misato to be dead in the chaos, belives everything to be her fault since she couldn't pilot the Eva>cut to Gendo in Unit-01's storage chamber, still muttering to himself trying to get Yui to go along with his plan, the mere presence of him is felt by unit-01>both SEELE and Ritsuko announce that they need to find the pilots, JSSDF and NERV security forces scramble in vein to find Rei and Shinji while Asuka remains unresponsive in her plug due to her mental breakdown
>>4262300>Honestly trying to kill Shinji while he's in a coma sounds very in character for her if the situation was reversed. She'd go in to ask him to hold her, to wake up, to call her names and show her up in the Eva, only to go into a rage after he doesn't respond.>*Hospital room, Shinji comatose. Machines buzzing and whirring but otherwise dead silence*>"Baka Shinji, I know you can hear me. C'mon get up the angels are gone you don't need to pilot anymore anyways">*silence*>"It's not like you were good at piloting after all, you and wondergirl may have higher sync ratios but I'm still the best. Just admit it">*silence*>*Asuka grabs Shinji's arm*>"Hey I said get up, I'm being serious." >*knee on bed, voice growing more harsh & coarse*>"This isnt like when tried to kiss me you pervert I'm not giving up so easily, wake. up.">*pulls Shinji over, still dead silent but seeing his face just makes her more unhinged, now straddling him and grabs him by the collar pulling him up*>"Speak up for once damn it, call me a brat, a bitch, whatever it is your feeble mind thinks I am just don't keep me like this.">"I've had to initiate everything, you didn't have the guts to talk to me, or to kiss me. You could barely thank me. You ungrateful idiot." >*Now starting to shake him back and forth violently*>"Stop it, Get up! you cant do this to me. First child is a dead eyed puppet and Misato's a worthless drunk. I have NO ONE. I NEED YOU NOW LOOK AT ME DAMN IT, LOOK AT ME.">*more violent shaking, head repeatedly striking mattress & medical machines start beeping erratically, heartrate monitor going insane*>"GET UP SHINJI, GET UP. GET UP. DO SOMETHING FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE, HIT ME, HOLD ME, ANYTHING. GET UP">*last words barely coherent, turns to hysterics, screaming, crying, shaking Shinji harder and harder">*medical staff arrive, flurry of panic pulling her off. Gripping Shinji's gown so tight it's tearing as they pull her off*>"SHINJIIIII, GET UP, GET UUUUUUUUUP"
>>4262312>SEELE monoliths + Keel discussing current attempted overthrow of NERV>Shitting pants over not finding Rei & Spear of Longinus on moon out of reach>Only about 80% of the MPEs are even complete let alone operational>Dead Sea Scrolls say there's still another angel left aside from Tabris (Kaworu)>No one can come to a consensus on what to do, but know at minimum they need to secure Lilith & Unit-01>Cut to JSSDF still cutting their way thru Bakelite & blast doors at a snail's pace>Overhear orders coming down thru comms of commandos>NERV must be kept as intact possible; there's still the possibility of angels arriving, but management must be dealt with>Along with securing the pilots, they're to bring Gendo back alive for UN trial, but afforded order to eliminate if capture is impossible>Back in Central Dogma, group tries anything to reach Unit 02's plug comms in an attempt jolt Asuka awake>Bridge trio scrambling to find any working lifts following Unit-01's rampage>Frustrated, Ritsuko asks if they have any trace of Gendo's position relative to the invading forces. >Fuyutsuki cuts her off and tells them to get a feed to Unit-01>Bridge crew confused but comply, Ritsuko notably overwhelmed>Cut to shot of Gendo starring daggers, He's standing on the catwalk directly in front of Unit-01, Murmurs have become frustrated grunts.>Asks Yui why she's holding Unit-01 hostage. Frustration in his voice>Says she'll be dismantled if SEELE captures the facility and all their work will have been for nothing>Shot of lower arm restraints, sounds of metal just beginning to strain, Gendo still on catwalk in staring contest with Unit-01>Back to Car, Misato, Rei & Shinji en route to T3, search for a way to sneak down to the geofront>City is locked down, they'll all be killed if recognized>Misato says they might be able to hijack a train car and take themselves down>Tells two in back to crouch in between seats to prevent detection>Misato subtly loads and racks USP
>>4262300>Kaworu being part of this team, so if he's able to actuallybe a pilot alongside the other kids, the reveal of him being an angel followed by his death would be a gut punch to everyone, not just Shinji. Maybe even Kaworu wouldn't know until its too late.Hell, even an assimilation of him in a fight like Armisael might triggers it, then it becomes a Bardiel situation where the Eva he's in gets redesignated into an Angel
>>4262369if its Armisael, i could imagine it trying to fuse its mind with Kaworu like it did with Rei, only for this to be the way Kaworu finds out the truth of him being an angel and meant to initiate third impact, much to his horror.
>>4262422The manga almost did this, iirc it's both Kaworu & Rei in the Armisael fight but Kaworu falls out of it due to an injury to unit 2 after which it goes straight for Rei.Granted in that he knows he's Tabris, I wonder how you could introduce Kaworu that early without him knowing he's an Angel. Even in the rebuilds he's teased as early as the end credits for 1.0 and he's just teasing the audience about the fact that he knows all of Eva & it's various continuities is an endless time loop.
>>4262366>T3 on full lockdown, practically crawling with JSSDF and police, knows they cant go through there>Rei reminds Misato that they can access NERV via the tunnels in the bunkers just outside of town (the one that Toji and Kensuke were at when Shinji fought the 2nd angel)>most of the trains are filled with people evacuating the city, in a desperate bid to stop one of them she flashes her pistol and pulls her rank as NERV operations manager, civilians flee train in a hurry>Rei and Shinji have another tender moment as Rei promises to protect Shinji ala episode 6 while they get in their plugsuits >Shinji likewise promises to protect Rei, tells her they'll be glad they survive like in the manga>Misato sees the JSSDF VTOLs streaming overhead for NERV, knows its only a matter of time before one of them notices them>sure enough as they approach the station closest to the bunker, she can see riot police and SWAT have locked the station down>hijacks the trains controls, speeds it up as fast as it can go and tells Shinji and Rei to brace for impact>as soon as it slams into the station she comes out firing, police cant get a bead on her as she grabs Shinji and Rei and run off in the chaos>as they get to the bunker they find a couple NERV techs leaving the tunnel, all wounded and exasperated, they give her a sitrep after she arrives>one of them hands misato and SMG they got off a JSSDF trooper after she tells them she's going back inside, they slip in virtually unnoticed at first>back at the command deck, Ritsuko notices Misato on the video feed, demands she return to the bridge to fufill her duties as operations manager and orders her to turn over the pilots to her
>>4262423Ill admit the main reason for having Kaworu unaware of who he is would be just to have him able to interact with the rest of the cast from the get go. Perhaps SEELE could have kept him in the dark so they could use him to combat the rest of the angels until they needed him for their plan.
>>4262676>Back to Gendo still fucking with the controls attempting to run dummy plug experiment alone, murmuring about the Old Men being blind fools>Still getting errors, Unit-01's eyes begin showing signs of life. Restraints further straining>Gendo frustrated but unmoved, sends plug ejection signal, command is refused, terminals flashing emergency alerts>Manically bolts back to catwalk in front of Unit-01, yelling at it with debris falling all around him, words inaudible due to metallic crashing & rumbling (ala final words to Ritsuko in EoE)>Central Dogma watching in both amazement and horror (sans Ritsuko as she's frantically run off to find the pilots + Misato)>Maya stunned and scared, tremble in her voice as she realizes what's happening (remembers ep 19)>Fuyutsuki frozen in fear, realizes Yui is growing tired of Gendo's shit and Unit 01 is going to go berserk>Signal lost as chamber is falling apart>Cut to Asuka still trapped in her entry plug>Beginning to grow claustrophobic & manic >Barely managing to speak over heaves of tears, grabs at controls and frantically pulls at them out of desperation (ala EoE & EoTV "I dont want to die / be alone / disappear")>Flashing images & memories of people she loves the most (Kyoko, Kaji, Shinji, Dance sync training, volcano rescue, etc) over and over, faster and faster>Finally climaxes with Asuka's head jolting up eyes wide as dinner plates as pupils dilate, sounds of heavy breathing cut abruptly>Jump cut back to Central Dogma cacophony of alerts, JSSDF are close to central command, clashing with NERV forces again, Hyuga reports they're on the verge of being overpowered>Before Fuyutsuki can issue an order, Maya yells abt readings of an AT field of increasing strength emanating from Terminal Dogma>Quick shot to Ritsuko, frustrated grimace, R-92 in hand, skittering through halls & stepping over bodies of JSSDF & NERV personnel alike>One turns a corner, lets out a shot but is domed by Ritsuko, bullet ricochets
>>4262695You think perhaps they'd condition him ala Manchurian candidate, and SEELE have some sort of mole within NERV or perhaps some phrase they can use to jog his memory of being an angel sorta like Jack's "Would you kindly?" from bioshock?Embedding as early as like ep 1 alongside Rei? or would he show up similarly to Asuka as some sort of loaned hand from a different country?
>>4262710Kaworu mentioned that the closer he got to lilith/the longer he was in her presence, the more of a "pull" he felt to her. Perhaps it could be something like you said or prolonged proximity to TD starts messing with his head. And i feel like it wlould be best to keep his as entrance mysterious you could, with him seemingly beeing with NERV for a while, but only showing up a little later like with Asuka.
>>4262764so when Misato starts her search for the truth following Kaji's death you think she'd straight up confront Kaworu given hes been with them for sometime, instead of watching from the sidelines like she does in the original show?
>>4262709>cut back to Misato, Rei and Shinji, moving through the hallways at NERV>before they were virtually unnoticed but now things are getting hotter as they get closer to the fighting near CD>Misato tells them to just keep moving no matter what, she ambushes JSSDF troops locked in firefights, blasting them with her SMG, chucking grenades down hallways, the works>finally get close to the cages, have to seperate as they have to get to their Evas and Misato has to find Asuka>Shinji and Rei promise to stay alive before they break off in a tender moment>in the brief time Shinji is alone, he's spotted by a JSSDF squad, they announce over the radio that they have the third pilot in sight before one of them breaks off from a firefight to persue>he rounds a corner and escapse, but not before taking a shot and falling to the ground>not fatal, but damn painful. he tells himself that he has to keep moving, staggers his way to the cage>Misato hears the trooper persuing him over the radio, runs like a madwoman to catch up >Shinji staggers to the catwalk infront of Unit-01, whos currently burst out of her restraints and her mouth guard hangs open desploying her eerie gaping maw>as the trooper persuing catches up with him, Misato jump-kicks and magdumps him before he can take his shot, only for the rest of his squad to end up following her onto the catwalk>Misato for a second thinks she's finished, at least resolves to die with Shinji rather than leaving him on his own>before they can fire, Eva one roars and crushes their side of the catwalk, with JSSDF troops getting crushed by Eva-01's hand>Eva-01 opens its hand and lets the bodies fall to the floor of the chamber and positions it in front of the catwalk so Shinji can climb up to the plug>cut back to Rei in Eva-00's chamber, is about to get to the console to activate it before a clearly deranged Gendo walks in>places her hand on her all creepy like as in the show, tells her its time for her to lead him to Yui
>>4262910>Rei, confronted by Gendo post Shinji info dump, grows apprehensive & angry; slaps his hand away in defiance>Gendo stunned, Rei tells him she's not his plaything, and she knows he's using her to achieve instrumentality>Gendo enraged his last avenue to Yui is closing, shows unbridled contempt towards Rei for the first time ever >Pulls her from console, backs her into corner>Shot over shoulder, Rei's mind is racing with every single shade of fear and dread>Tries to merge with her; Adam's embryo in hand >As he's trying to rip the plugsuit off, Rei futilely resists and lets out a single "Shinji!" before Gendo covers her mouth>Ritsuko still trudging down the halls, disheveled and woozy, arm grazed from ricocheted round >Catches Rei's cry of desperation; bewildered, she shambles towards source R-92 in hand>Cut to Misato, scurrying through halls SMG in hand looking for Asuka>*some comment/gag about how she's always been bad with directions*>Finds herself in deepest levels of NERV, glimpses carnage from Yuis earlier fit of rage, her, eye catches on something she turns a corner>Finds SEELE room where Shinji was interrogated, in ruins but still recognizable>Stupefied, realizes everything Shinji/Kaji told her is real and NERV was a front for starting 3I the whole time>Crisis of identity, guilt sets in. Shes put the kids through hell & back on the whims of a deranged cult that plugged her lover to conceal the truth>Teary-eyed, she slumps on wall, hand covering mouth; SMG droops across shouldered sling (ala ep 21 voicemail hysteria)>Begs God if he's even there for forgiveness, and apologizes to Kaji that she didnt act sooner >Looks down to tear-soaked pendant, images of 2I flash, resolves she'll give her dying breath to stop SEELE if need be as atonement>Room shakes, dust & debris slithers down from ruins & tattered ceiling, breaks stream of sobs >Shakes again, thrown off kilter, she runs out & catches glimpse of Unit 02 bouldering up shaft from TD
>>4262765She probably would, but unless SEELE had already told him to do his thing he might not know what she's talking about and she'd end up not realizing what he is until it's too late. In this scenario i'd imagine his death/betrayal hurts everyone, not just Shinji.>>4262318That's harrowing, very nice anon. I can only imagine how fucked things get for Shinji if he has to go out alone against the MP Evas in place of Asuka here
>>4263274>she'd end up not realizing what he is until it's too late. In this scenario i'd imagine his death/betrayal hurts everyone, not just Shinji.Holy Shit I can already imagine some Annoesque use of biblical imagery given Kaworu was already somewhat of a Christ figure, but in this scenario he'd probably get reworked into some form of Judas given his betrayal of the crew to SEELE, maybe SEELE hands him something to backdoor the MAGI and it has some correlation with the infamous thirty pieces of silver. Or perhaps he actually kisses Shinji like in the manga in some sort of "this is it..." way again calling back to the Judas imagery. Goddamn if I wasnt so busy with shit in my own life I'd realize all these scenarios into fics, and if I could draw I'd illustrate them, there's just so many interesting scenarios here.>I can only imagine how fucked things get for Shinji if he has to go out alone against the MP Evas in place of Asuka hereI could totally see that in place of Asuka, perhaps in the fight with the MP Evas he inadvertently activates Unit 01's S2 engine in a fit of rage as he's blaming himself being comatose for the ongoing invasion of NERV, and in his rage induced beat down he gets absorbed into Unit 01 again, awakening Unit 01 into some god being with a halo that opens the doors of Guf and starts the third impact anyways (ala the ending to the second rebuild film)
>>4263282>Or perhaps he actually kisses Shinji like in the manga in some sort of "this is it..." way again calling back to the Judas imagery. Goddamn if I wasnt so busy with shit in my own life I'd realize all these scenarios into fics, and if I could draw I'd illustrate them, there's just so many interesting scenarios here.This is something i could see fitting in like a glove with Kaworu, intially knowing he's betraying Shinji but then going back on it as a way to regain his agency via having Shinji kill him.>I could totally see that in place of Asuka, perhaps in the fight with the MP Evas he inadvertently activates Unit 01's S2 engine in a fit of rage as he's blaming himself being comatose for the ongoing invasion of NERV, and in his rage induced beat down he gets absorbed into Unit 01 again, awakening Unit 01 into some god being with a halo that opens the doors of Guf and starts the third impact anyways (ala the ending to the second rebuild film)either that or I could see Eva-01 going into a rage without its umblical for a while, whilst shinji gets a kind of adrenaline rush ala the first couple angel fights (i forget which one specifically) and starts thrashing them, only to be pulled back to reality after taking a hit from the spear of longinus replica like Asuka did, then just shutting down as he realizes how hopeless his situation is and freezes before the MP Evas rip him apart>Goddamn if I wasnt so busy with shit in my own life I'd realize all these scenarios into fics, and if I could draw I'd illustrate them, there's just so many interesting scenarios here.you better believe im screenshotting these greentexts lmao
>>4263330>only to be pulled back to reality after taking a hit from the spear of longinus replica like Asuka did, then just shutting down as he realizes how hopeless his situation is and freezes before the MP Evas rip him apartI dont know if it'd get to the point that the MPEs would rip apart Unit 01 like they did with Unit 02 in the original show given how SEELE needed it to initiate the ritual of 3I given the spear was lost on the moon, but I can see that he's hit with the spear, but perhaps not in the head but say the core, which stuns him, then the MPEs crucify him and start the ritual that way (similar to the manga where he steps in just in time to keep Asuka from getting eaten but goes sicko mode and the MPEs detain unit 01 to start the ritual)>you better believe im screenshotting these greentexts lmaoput me in the screencap lol, I'd love to see some of the alt scenarios like the ongoing alt EoE greentext above this post or some of these hypotheticals with Kaworu & Misato illustrated like how there's that one Redditor whos doing a complete drawing / manga of one of the more popular fics "Evangelion Genocide"https://old.reddit.com/r/evangelion/comments/kvxy2e/new_evangelion_genocide_update_manga_pages_from/Eva becoming a Lovecraftian-esque property where there's a range of continuities and stories all under some loosely umbrella'd universe sounds real Kino, I'm honestly surprised people haven't done more, though now they might given the franchise is now "over" with Thrice effectively closing the timelineLike one idea that I think would be real neat is you could make a video game surrounding the JSSDF invasion of SEELE sorta like insurgency, and you'd get to fight around the halls of NERV, the Eva cages, Central Dogma, the Geofront, etc.
>>4263332>JSSDF invasion of SEELE*JSSDF Invasion of NERVGod I need to get some sleep lol, also that alt of Asuka nearly killing comatose Shinji is something I'd legitimately pay to see realized. This thread is gold
>>4263002Gendo scares Rei and puts his hand over her mouth. A betrayed Rei becomes an angry Rei.She already knows the plan. It's just about time.*chomp* Shinji's out slapfighting the Dolphin-vultures.Cut straight to the last act of The End of Evangelion.If there had been a chance to animate the "Children of an Elder God" fanfic series, we might have gotten something special.
>>4263002>cut back to Gendo and Rei still struggling, as room is thrown off kilter by Eva-02, Both drop to the ground and Rei slips past him>Tells him again that she is not his doll, and that they will never meet again as she heads for the exit towards the catwalk to Unit-00's plug>Gendo pull his pistol on her, makes a bluff that if she wont help, he'll make another, tells her not to prolong the suffering by resisting, tells her to come with him down to Lilith>Cut back to Shinji in Unit-01, can hear Rei's cry (either through comms or Unit-01), begins smashing through walls to get to Unit-00's cage>Ritsuko finally stumbles up to where she heard Rei, see's their struggle across the room, realizes Gendo's lost it>tries to line up a shot, at he same time Unit-01 bursts through into the cage, roars as soon as it sees Gendo, Yui finally had enough of his shit>Ritsuko fires and hits Gendo in the chest just as Unit-01 lungest forward and grabs him>Cut to Gendo lying on the ground, Yui standing at his feet>tells him he walled his heart off to the world, brought Shinji only suffering, Gendo says this is his retribution and gets the chomp from Eva-01>Shinji speechless in Unit-01, not sure if he was the one who commanded the Eva to do that or not, almost overwhelmed with emotion>Ritsuko helps Rei into Unit-00, thinks of it as a kind of apology for how she thought of Rei for so long, Rei and Shinji try to raise Misato over comms to get a plan on what to do next>briefly cut to Central Dogma, NERV internal security forces fighting as hard as they can, JSSDF reached the bridge room, Shigeru and Makoto yelling about how they need to find an exit and evactuate, Maya still curled under her desk practically begging for her life>cut back to Asuka in Unit-02, saying how her mama was with her all along>Unit-02 rockets up the shaft and out of NERV, JSSDF VTOLs start to target it only for it to fight back
>>4263387>Asuka newly confident; seemingly high sync ratio with unit 02, digs heels against JSSDF forces in geofront, kicking ass>Shiro_Saigu_AirII.mp4>yells she'll kill them all now that she has mamas protection>JSSDF like endless faucet; tank lines, missiles, N2 mines, etc. Throwing everything they have at unit 02>Call back to shot of Sachiel w/ VTOLs from ep 1, unit 02 in its place>Thru the blows laments who she believes dead from her inaction, fighting tears >Among the names (Kaji, Misato, etc) "Baka Shinji" slips out>Asuka worried she'll be overwhelmed even with her AT field>Shinji & Rei in their Evas hear Asuka fighting for her life thru comms, stunned she's lucid & fighting>Visible wear on plugsuit, Rei traumatized from Gendos assault and subsequent demise >Shinji still processing wtf just happened with Unit 01 (ala ep 18 Dummy plug guilt) >Hears Asuka say his name and momentarily snaps out of haze>Ritsuko slumped by console R-92 in hand, clutching wound with other >Storm of emotions on face, disgust at Gendos violation of Rei, shock at unit 01s autonomy & chomp (remembers ep 19), relief & sorrow hes dead, (doesnt know if she still loved him, realizes she was being used, etc)>Glances at Gendos remains thru smoke, spots his glasses bent & cracked, knocked off when unit 01 grabbed him >Misato bewildered staring up shaft in amazement & terror knowing Asuka is fighting alone, starts running back to Central Dogma>Central Dogma finally gets line to unit 02, NERV forces & JSSDF duking it within view of bridge>Fuyutsuki & Maya under desks watching unit 02s plight on laptop (ala EoE) >Worried, Maya wonders where Senpai is>Fuyutsuki wondering where Gendo is in the chaos, curses him for his cowardice, laments Yui having to see what he became>Makoto & Shigeru trading rounds with Glocks SMGs at forces shooting up at them>Both yell to check if JSSDF have reached Terminal Dogma, to find escape route must they overwhelm them, and to prep MAGI killswitch
>>4263432>NERV security forces stream into Central Dogma, initial shootout turns into heavyweight firefight >Ritsuko hears them preparing to use the MAGI killswitch over comms, orders them to hold out as long as they can>Cut to Misato trying to make her way up to Central Dogma, desperate to get in contact with Shinji Rei or Asuka so they can formulate a plan to get rid of Lilith>eventually finds some kind of working communications, Ritsuko overhears her at the console>Ritsuko frantically asks where Misato is, Misato cuts her off trying her best to explain why the JSSDF are here and what SEELE wants>Ritsuko knows enough from Gendo to know what she's talking about, agrees to help her and patch her through to Rei and Shinji>Ritsuko relays to them that Lilith is imprisoned in central dogma, Rei chimes in that if it is an angel, then it has a core and can be killed>Misato tells Shinji about Asuka waking up, Shinji says he wants to help her, Rei agrees to deal with Lilith while he goes out to fight>Cut back to Asuka, wreaking havoc on JSSDF forces>slowly but surely she's getting overwhelmed, starts screaming about how she'll make them pay for taking the people she cares about from her>Eva-01 rockets up from the cage, Asuka stunned as Shinji tells her over comms that they have to stop the JSSDF and 3I >cut back to Ritusko patching up her wound as she moves further down into NERV, trying to find Misato>Misato and her talk over comms more, Misato tells her a bit more about SEELE's plane before going back into a breakdown over her role in helping them >starts lamenting about how she treated the pilots, saying that she used them for her own vendetta against the angels>Ritsuko tries to calm her down as she moves further down towards Terminal Dogma, tells her the best thing she can do now is to stay alive for them>cut back to Central Dogma, Maya yells out that the MAGI detected three large contacts headed for NERV, all matching the energy descriptions of Evas
>>4263332>I dont know if it'd get to the point that the MPEs would rip apart Unit 01 like they did with Unit 02 in the original show given how SEELE needed it to initiate the ritual of 3I given the spear was lost on the moon,ah, i forgot about that. Fair point, though at the end of the day if shinji still gets hit by the lance then it might not make much of a difference for him. > I'd love to see some of the alt scenarios like the ongoing alt EoE greentext above this post or some of these hypotheticals with Kaworu & Misato honestly im having just as many thoughts and ideas on the scenario where all of the children get their Evas but im refraining from dumping them as much since this IS a Misato thread, after all.
>>4263609>Rei in unit 00 descends to Terminal Dogma, in midst of existential fear & doubt>Thinks about how Gendo was raising her as pet to end the world/join Yui, and if what Shinji spilled abt SEELE/Gendos plan is true; she might be about to kill herself by destroying Lilith>Starts feeling terror again from this revelation>Soul fragment in unit 00 (Rei I) starts teasing her and relaying cryptic visions >Sees presumably possible (or...past? 0_0) outcomes of JSSDF raid, experience akin to mild form of Asukas mind rape>First is Misato bleeding out, then Asuka clutching left eye screaming, next Ritsuko shot in LCL, etc (mix of ominous shots we see from ep 25/25' & 26/26')>Taking physical toll, head in hands, gripping herself while shaking, etc>Starts hearing voice thats not Rei I, he asks her if its what she truly wants, to give herself for the Lilim>He continues by saying he regrets never meeting Shinji face to face this time, but that alas "the fate of destruction is the joy of rebirth">Rei has no idea who voice it is, puzzled it knows Shinji>Deja vu moment, perhaps she's heard him before>Upon opening eyes catches glimpse of Quantum Rei just ahead facing her >Freaks out & hypervents, QR is gone>Cut to Misato, still making way to CD, sees regiments of JSSDF storming down halls, stays in shadows>By chance spots a straggler lagging behind unit >Thinking on her feet, sticks leg out & trips him, kick to the head knocks him out. >Pulls body into alley & seizes useful shit like radio, more grenades, slings SMG over shoulder & knabs his G11>*gag quip how size does make a difference, she hopes*>Ritsuko getting closer to TD, realizes voices demanding Gendo's surrender was SEELE per Misato's intel >Recalls Gendos plan, still having mixed emotions, ponders ramifications of killing Lilith>Sudden realization abt Rei/Unit 00/Lilith intertwined, scared what destroying core will do>Cut off by Maya broadcasting from CD, three large contacts closing in on NERV HQ
>>4263612>though at the end of the day if shinji still gets hit by the lance then it might not make much of a difference for him.You think him getting cut down by the MPEs to the point of near death before 3I starts would be enough for him to finally say something to Asuka? because realistically Asuka at that point would be either launching in Unit 02 or already in the fight, and that has me question if Misato even dies in this hypothetical like she does in EoE, the manga & Thrice. would we see Misato back in Central Dogma telling them to go for the cores of the MPEs, would Gendo sabotage Misato? would Ritsuko step in or side with Gendo? so many questions lol>honestly im having just as many thoughts and ideas on the scenario where all of the children get their Evas but im refraining from dumping them as much since this IS a Misato thread, after all.You should make the next thread a general Eva thread or something and cross post me and some of the other anons in here, it seems that alt EoE greentext chain is nearing it's narrative conclusion and after it's screencapped and the thread is archived I'd be interested to see your ideas,
>>4263622>cut to three of those massive black planes carrying three of the MP Evas, panicked radio chatter of various crew afraid that theyre untested and rushed into service, not sure why theyve been deployed>cut to SEELE's monoliths bemoaning that they have only a fraction of the MP Evas ready, worried that they still have to use them in the instrumentality ceremony later>Dummy plugs insert as they fall away, wings deploying, no replica spears in-hand, as they weren't finished in time>Cut back to Ritsuko getting closer to Terminal Dogma, nearly cornered by JSSDF troops when Misato blasts them from behind >Ritsuko then helps Misato to a working lift, Ritsuko states that it's probably better for them to evacuate now that the MAGI killswitch is being prepped >cut back to Rei, who's visons are intensifying as she gets closer to Lilith>Rei I and Q Rei appear before her, asking again if she wants to give herself up>Rei shaking, visibly hyperventilating, gets a vison of her saying that she will protect Shinji, followed by him telling her that they'll be glad they survive >Rei says she doesn't know, freezes up before Lilith, unsure of what to do>cut back to Shinji and Asuka, Asuka calls him an idiot for being gone so long, really overjoyed>MP Evas seen circling above, drop down in front of Unit-01 and Unit-02>Shinji tries to tell her that these Evas arent controlled by NERV, and that they have to keep them away from TD and Rei>Asuka tells him that he better not die on her after all she went through, both jump in and engage the MPE's together>Cut back to Rei, gasps and eyes go wide as she hears Shinji and Asuka fight the MP Evas>still says she doesn't want to die, but she has to do something, takes out her Vibro knife and tries to stab Lilith>Lilith's AT field is too strong, stabs at it furiously but still fails to puncture it>As she does, Maya again gets another massive energy reading, Fuyutski yells that it's the lance of longinus returning ala EoE
>>4263632>You think him getting cut down by the MPEs to the point of near death before 3I starts would be enough for him to finally say something to Asuka?im sure he'd try, though if she was in any position to hear it depends on the scenario, i suppose. >and that has me question if Misato even dies in this hypothetical like she does in EoE, the manga & Thrice.She probably wouldn't, since she wouldn't have to be in a position to leave central dogma. Though that also gives the scenario of her actually having to hear what happens to Shinji here, so she still wouldn't be in for a good time.>You should make the next thread a general Eva thread or something and cross post me and some of the other anons in here, it seems that alt EoE greentext chain is nearing it's narrative conclusion and after it's screencapped and the thread is archived I'd be interested to see your ideas,will do, anon. I think with such a character driven work like Eva there's a lot of room explore different themes and stories with them.
>>4263959Shit, forgot my image
>>4263959>Cut to Misato & Ritsuko boarding lift >NERV_elevatorfloorclicker.gif>Misato hands Rits the SMG. >Taken aback, handles the thing like a hot potato>Quips that she hoped Rits didnt skip basic training>Notices wound and crude bandage of torn lab coat>Jarringly quips she'll get a pretty penny from worker's comp>Obliv. to Rits' meekness, cont. blabbing abt what it could used for & what she'd do (i.e. car-tism)>Realizes awkward air, assures her Gendo/SEELE will get it now she knows NERVs true purpose, hands clenched on G11, blinking away tears>Rits breaks her silence; spits the bitter tasting words "Gendo's dead.">Misato in disbelief, asks her what happened>Tells her abt stumbling on his near rape of Rei in chamber, how she got a round off but u01 came in and monched him>Draws cracked glasses as proof.>Regrets hating Rei all that time (ala choke from manga), starts to breakdown >Continues by telling her about Rei/Lilith connection and in theory Rei is about to kill herself to prevent 3I>Misato's head spinning with everything coming at her, confused abt Rei/Lilith (no reiquarium) & silently wonders what Shinji must be going thru>Falls to her knees, Rits partly comes clean abt knowing some of Gendos plan, but not SEELE or who was pulling the strings>Says she thought Gendo loved her & were sleeping together but realizes she was just a tool to him, "like mother like daughter">Both stand in silence (ala elevator scene)>Misato realizes Kaji died as a result of her inaction, emotions slowly swell>Pulls her up from ground, Rits flinches expecting to get slapped again, but Misato asks her to repeat abt R/L connection>Back to Rei in TD, struggles with AT field>Realizing what she cant admit out loud, apologizing to Shinji silently>Rei I & Rei Q watch as u00 tries to counter the field, CD bridge gets signal of AT anomaly within TD>U00 with bare hand trying to break field, Rei feels everything, suit starts to show more wear>Handel_Worthy_the_lamb.mp4
what the fuck is going on in this thread
>>4264090Kino, and from what it seems you got here just in time
>>4263961>Though that also gives the scenario of her actually having to hear what happens to Shinji here, so she still wouldn't be in for a good time.Holy shit that sounds gruesome I want it
>>4264089>cut to Shinji and Asuka fighting MP Evas>working better together as a team, beating the Evas is the only thing that matters now>MP Evas still superior, Unit-01 and 02 cant quite finish them all off>pan above and see the lance of Longinus return as it did in EoE, heads right for Lilith leaving a hole down to TD>remaining MP Evas make a B line down the hole, Shinji and Asuka give chase>Rei takes the lance, still struggling with her decision only to see the MP Evas coming down the hole left by lance>Pierces Lilith's side, Lilith falls from her cross directly onto Unit-00 in scene reminiscent of cutting Christ from the cross>Rei "wakes up" in instrumentality, sees visons of her memories, deconstructing herself, asking who she is, what she wants, ect. >can see other's memories as well, even other's versions of instrumentality like the dream train or misato's fan room through the eyes of Q Rei (possibly past versions of instrumentality?)>eventually sees Yui, Rei I and Q Rei standing before her (ala EoE)>gleefully asks what she wishes for>asked if she wants to return to nothingness/give herself up>Rei sees visons of Shinji and Asuka rejecting instrumentality>says she wants to stay with the people she cares about>Rei's angel core leaves Rei's body only for Rei I to place her hands in the spot it once was, merging with current Rei's soul while she looks on in terror/shock>wakes up back in TD, Lilith still on top of Unit-00>Lilith's mask falls from her face as she rises up, massive wings spreading out of TD and Geo front, lance still in her side>Rits and Misato exiting NERV look on in horror, scene reminiscent of Adam's wings in 2I>morning sun can be seen through the hole in the geo front as Lilith rises up, still spreading its wins>MP Evas destroyed from the event, pilots forced to eject>ala the end of the manga, Lilith then disappears as she rises into the sky>JSSDF waves off as Pilots step out of their plugs and see the morning sunrise
>>4264181>Cut to CD crew, Still fighting on top deck waiting for evacuation, JSSDF literally on top of them>One gets on the deck; immediately shot in the chest and falls back, Maya squirms>Finally get order from Rits, fighting as they retreat, JSSDF pursue>Literal piles of bodies & guns of both JSSDF & NERV security staff>Before Maya can react, Fuyutsuki thinks quickly and covers her eyes>Yells at other two to keep moving and he's got Maya>Running thru halls, Shigeru asks Makoto if the kill switch is ready >Pulls PDA to issue order but in the heat of the scuffle it took a bullet>Freaks out but Aoba tells him to forget it; not worth dying to try and activate it manually, especially after surviving the assault>JSSDF catch up, panic as they start bolting up to NERV exit while dodging rounds>Fuyutsuki takes one to lower leg, Stumbles onto Maya in pain>Maya freaked out but doesnt want to see anymore people die; quickly pulls his arm over her shoulder as they limp out exit>As they get thru the door, They're both blinded by something and covering their eyes >Upon focal clarity catch Makoto & Shigeru frozen in place silent>All of them catch sight of the massive wings spreading out from TD>One of them says aloud "So this is the end">Pursuing troops run out to confront; dumbstruck on sight of wings>Some panic, cry, others just watch in silence as they watch Lilith rise to the sky and poof out>Sun is red as dawn is breaking (ala that shot of Bardiel in front of sun)>Exposed geofront now flooded sunlight, one stream catches Shinji as hes gathering himself>Panics; doesnt know if Asuka ejected safely & runs off>Rei in u00 catches rays thru hole where spear entered, not even sure if out of instrumentality>Feels her stomach where core was removed but it's normal, plugsuit in tatters>Misato & Rits staring at light coming in>Misato hears Shinji calling for Asuka, eyes widen & maternal instincts kick in>Runs off calling for Shinji, Rits still stuck in place
>>4264188>brief cut to JSSDF generals (those guys from ep.1 and jet alone), hear report that their teams found the reminds of commander Ikari, then see screen of Lilith's wings rising up from the geofront>hear radio chatter from NERV as Lilith rises from TD, panic and chaos as its acention destroys VTOLs in flight, destroys layers of NERV, ect, can hear audio of Maya saying that the readings are identical to 2I>their supeirors (SEELE) unresponsive, order a full retreat from NERV>cut back to Rei, Unit-00 unresponsive in the middle of TD, as it now has no soul>Rei sees one last vision of Rei I as the ejection pod fires, lands in the forest outside NERV>cut back to Asuka, exiting her pod, can hear Shinji over the plug's communication's system >Asuka confused, asks where he is and what happened>he responds by saying he ejected, but couldn't remember telling the Eva to do so>voice audibly strained, Asuka interupts him thanking her for her help by (affectionatly) calling him an idiot and asking where he is, starts heading towards him>Shinji looks down at his bandaged wound, sees blood coming out of it as the plug is drained of LCL>Cut to Misato again running around like a madwoman looking for Shinji>ambushing retreating JSSDF, hiding from VTOLs, ect>eventually finds a NERV VTOL picking up survivors, gets in only to point a gun at the pilot and demand they look for the pilots>Shinji gathers the strenght to open his pod, covers his eyes as the sunlight hits his face only to see a VTOL come into view>thinks his finished for a second, it lands as Misato comes out, hugging Shinji>last scene is the two of them stepping out to a base camp of regrouped survivors, sees CD bridge crew, Fuyutski, Ritsuko>Finally sees Asuka and Rei, three of them embrace as the last shotand that's all I got. It was fun story, anon, writing and reading these before and after work genuinely made my week.
>>4264312Thank u anon, I was looking forward to reading this shit everyday as well. Now to screencap and see if I can formulate it into a decent read of a fic, I'll link this thread on the archives when I do it in the credits.Godspeed anon and thanks for the great time
>>4264312Here's the complete transcript of it cap'd and all in case you want to do the same or just have it as a keep sake, all I'd really do now is fill in dialogue and perhaps some style of epilogue ala unit 01 in space with the solenoid spears like in the manga & EoE, or some sort of flashforward of people's lives after NERV like with 3.0+1.0https://bashify.io/images/D1UxMP#It was fun anon, hopefully we run into each other again on /c/ or /a/
>>4264314>>4264321yeah, i was planning on doing the same. the greentexts serve as a pretty good outline, just gotta flesh out the scenes and dialogue like you said, though i would like to do more with Kaji and his decision to let Shinji in on everything, I feel like there's some fun to be had in seeing him and his espionage. Id also like to add more to Rei, since things kind of focused on her for a bit at the end. >or some sort of flashforward of people's lives after NERV like with 3.0+1.0an SoL epilogue sounds comfy af. great idea.
>>4264362>i would like to do more with Kaji and his decision to let Shinji in on everything, I feel like there's some fun to be had in seeing him and his espionage.Yeah he's such a tragic figure in the story. If Toji's mauling / death is where descent into madness starts, it's Kaji's death that basically assures the third impact. I liked the opening of 2.0 that had him at one of the NERV outposts doing his usual silver tongue act to get the Key of Nebuchadnezzar and wish they would've elaborated on it more in one of the continuities. It has some real like hunt for red october kind of clandestine operations kino>Id also like to add more to Rei, since things kind of focused on her for a bit at the end.Yeah imo of the main 3 Rei is the least explored in every continuity, the Rebuilds give her more time and flesh her a bit more but even by the end when he's in the anti-verse she still has an air of mystery to her. She's such a nice character that deserves more. That scene in the second rebuild where she's talking about how being around Shinji makes her feel warm and happy and that she wanted to return the favour with the dinner is real sad in retrospect when she basically lives alone in u01 for 14 years afterwards. Even her death in 3.0 + 1.0 where she basically just tells Shinji she liked him before she goes tang mode was sad. Her relationship to him is such a strange balance between like, shy moe girl who secretly likes the protag, and like a sister character. Most of the fics tend to write her in a sister role too>an SoL epilogue sounds comfy af.Dude yeah the whole last chapter of the manga after Rei sacrifices herself was real nice to read. Made me wish they had given it a bit more time. Like that shot where he pulls Asuka out of the train and it's just the shot of them holding hands as he has a deja vu moment was peak. And the ending shot with the glint from Misato's cross dangling from Shinji's bag was a perfect bittersweet note to end on
>>4264365> It has some real like hunt for red october kind of clandestine operations kinoHonestly that's really what I'd go for in this story, it sounds like a lot of fun delving into how Kaji learned that there were much greater forces than NERV or even the majority of the angels at play during the whole series would be neat to see.>Yeah imo of the main 3 Rei is the least explored in every continuity, the Rebuilds give her more time and flesh her a bit more but even by the end when he's in the anti-verse she still has an air of mystery to her. Im glad the greentexts here got to put her in the position of making the choice to reject instrumentality, because i feel its a route that isnt explored very much in the show or in the fanbase. Exploring Rei as a character and dissecting her in instrumentality is something i find very interesting based of the little glimpse of her version that we saw in the show. Expanding on that here would be neat. I almost went in the direction of making a the death of Lilith another second impact, but i feel 3.0 already did something like that and I wanted to shake it up. >Dude yeah the whole last chapter of the manga after Rei sacrifices herself was real nice to read. Made me wish they had given it a bit more time. Having all three of the pilots there would have been nice. I like the theory that Rei saying she's waiting out there was her actually being direct, and that somewhere out in that world there is a Rei that's living her own life.
>>4264632>Exploring Rei as a character and dissecting her in instrumentality is something i find very interesting based of the little glimpse of her version that we saw in the show.Yeah now that you mention it we really are biased to Shinji & Asuka's perspective in all three main continuities when it comes to instrumentality. Makes me wonder what Anno (if he wasnt Asuka biased) would've had Rei choose if it had gotten to that position narratively; which is why I like what the manga did with Shinji & Rei in instrumentality before he rejects it and the subplot about them holding hands>Rei saying she's waiting out there was her actually being direct, and that somewhere out in that world there is a Rei that's living her own life.Damn bro is gonna make me cry because that's so poetic but tragic at the same time. When I was reading that whole last chapter I had ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_ci-lhTYWE ) playing in my head the whole time and it made it easily like top 5 manga I've ever read. I know people give the manga shit bc of the ending but I personally really liked the direction it took. Also Anno most definitely copied Sadamoto's hw because the manga ending and Thrice's ending are like spitting images of one another and I cant really complain since it captures that balance between catharsis and melancholy
>>4264634>Makes me wonder what Anno (if he wasnt Asuka biased) would've had Rei choose if it had gotten to that position narrativelyBy the time of Rei III or even late Rei II I think she would have rejected it. She seemed to grow an affinity twoards experiencing new things as time went on so I think that would have effected her decision. She also said she dreaded "returning to nothingness" as things went on, so there's that. Also im pretty sure her coming apart in EoE was her rejection of instrumentality.>I know people give the manga shit bc of the ending but I personally really liked the direction it took.They do? Never heard someone who read the manga say they didn't like the ending. I tried to take inspiration from it in the greentext since I thought it did the best with Rei's character. I debated on making the death of Lilith into a second impact style cataclysm but I thought a manga like ending was better rounded.>>4264365>And the ending shot with the glint from Misato's cross dangling from Shinji's bag was a perfect bittersweet note to end onTo me that shot implied that Misato was still Shinji's caretaker even in this new world, so I wonder if even Rei knew about how much they cared about eachother.
>>4265040>Never heard someone who read the manga say they didn't like the ending.On a lot of places like reddit & evageeks I've seen some people get real mad with that ending bc "muh amnesia they didnt learn anything hur dur." I personally disagree since when we see Shinji travelling to the train station he's like talking about how he's ready to face the world and follows through by actually getting on the train with no hesitation & leaving for Tokyo. Plus that moment where he pulls Asuka out of the train hearing her cries for help & have a moment of bittersweet deja vu before she runs off imho implied that they would fall in love with each other again or at least get to know each other again in this new world. It felt less like a lesson learned at the cost of an irreversible cataclysm (EoE) and more like a hard fought chance at a brighter tomorrow which I thought was more hopeful note than One More Final: I Need You and I'm glad the rebuilds ended up taking that avenue as well. So I agree that the manga ending felt way better rounded and whole than the original continuity's conclusion>that shot implied that Misato was still Shinji's caretaker even in this new world, so I wonder if even Rei knew about how much they cared about each other.Yeah I thought that too since there'd be now way he'd have it if he wasnt with Misato since I doubt he carried it over from instrumentality. I'd figured they had a parallel moment of her handing the pendant to him in the doorway (there's always a shot of Shinji crossing a door frame that gets reiterated multiple times in each continuity) of their shared home or apartment before he went off to college or whatever he was going to Tokyo for, and that he went knowing Misato loved him and would still be there waiting when he got back. Now that you mention it it makes sense that Rei would probably rearrange the world so that the people she cared about the most either were still together or would cross paths again (i.e. Asuka)
>>4265041>On a lot of places like reddit & evageeks I've seen some people get real mad with that ending bc "muh amnesia they didnt learn anything hur dur."that's pretty retarded since he obviously remembers everything. Even Asuka doesn't act nearly as abrasive in the (admittedly) short time we saw her in the epilogue. If the theory that Rei is somewhere out there physically, i wonder if she'd remember what happened like Shinji did. >Now that you mention it it makes sense that Rei would probably rearrange the world so that the people she cared about the most either were still together or would cross paths again (i.e. Asuka)yeah, that does seem deliberate now that you mention it. Even Kensuke was there, so it seemed like she put all the people she knew in one place.
>>4265346I wonder if we'll ever get like prequel material on the second impact since we still dont know a lot about the circumstances other than that Misato survived & that Kaworu was seemingly born during it. Like who was the human donor? was Kaworu's body originally someone else and then Adam's soul overrode it? Is he a clone as the dummy plugs in EoE infer? and if so who is he a clone of?
>>4265636That'd be way more interesting than a 3.0 prequel people keep talking about. Second impact and the time that followed it is a really facinating time when you think about it, there's at least enough there for an OVA, i think. As for Kaworu, Ive always been intrigued by where he comes from as well, even if it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things (kind of like how the identity of SEELE isnt important, but they still remain compelling). He mentions he's just like Rei, but Rei wasn't exaclty a clone of Yui per se, since Rei was born from what popped out of Eva-01 during the contact experiment, only the later versions are clones, and that'st just a clone of herself. This brings into question how Kaworu would exist if not for the contact experiment.
Rei is best girl.
>>4265699>That'd be way more interesting than a 3.0 prequel people keep talking about.While I agree I do think like a 2I prequel there's so much to wonder about like the NERV civil war, Gendo & Fuyut being removed & replaced by Kaworu & Kaji, Kaji's sacrifice which was hinted in 3.0 (the helicopter tail in terminal dogma) & then shown in glimpses in Thrice. Theres enough there if not for some OVA at least a Sadamoto style spin-off manga. Plus 3.0 (-46Hrs) provides a decent enough hook to see what that world was like with the brief glimps we get of partially reconstructed U02 & Short haired Asuka & 3.0 (-120m) had a nice tender moment confirming that during 3.0/Thrice Asuka still loved Shinji>Second impact and the time that followed it is a really facinating time when you think about it, there's at least enough there for an OVA, i think.Yeah in all three main continuities (Manga, TV & Thrice) it's mentioned that World War III basically kicked off sans nukes for some reason. The Manga did some real interesting world building regarding post2I world with Kaji's fleshed out backstory of being part of some scrappy gang of kids he ended up selling out to save himself. There was even a camp of presumably Military remnants that he was stealing food from so that begs the question if the 2I was that big that it disrupted entire nations and their militaries, what happened to say, Russia, The US or China? Did they have some real strange restructuring ala Fallout's alternate US / China cold war? Nerv is said to have branches in China, the US & Germany. As well as it's explicitly stated that it's under the control of the UN. So in Eva's universe did Globalism actually pan out and the UN is just the global govt? there's lots of interesting discussions to be had>This brings into question how Kaworu would exist if not for the contact experiment.I really wonder if Kaworu is an occupied donor body if he was a willing participant, political prisoner, or a sacrifice too
>>4265699One thing I also always wondered was if the EoE poster is canon. As in, the last shot we get in One More Final: I need you is that of Shinji straddling Asuka after choking her to see if he was still in instrumentality. So is it reasonable to presume that immediately after he got up off of her and the both stared out at the ruins of Tokyo-3 & the Giant Naked Rei head?I know there's tons of fanfiction for Eva that picks up right at the last frame of OMF:INY like "You can (not) Redo" to name an example. And ofc people have wondered what happened after that final shot for almost 30 years at this point and we're no closer to an answer because of how cryptic Anno seems to love to be; only stepping in if it's to dispel an interpretation he seems displeased with (i.e. when people said Misato could've killed Kaji bc of the shot of her door right after, so then he had the episode re-edited to remove that shot as to quash that implication. Or when people took the ending from Thrice and inferred that Mari was supposed to be a stand in for Anno's wife Moyoco and he stepped in to say that wasnt the case. Though with the latter an interpretation of Mari as a symbol or manifestation of the change in his life that could or could not be something catalyzed by his marriage during the pre-production of the first Rebuild is unaffected by Anno's direct word on it not being a direct and explicit representation of his wife)
>>4266115*like "You are (not) at fault"Sorry brain went into retard mode after a long day
>>4262369>>4261212There was also that Eva game, "Neon Genesis Evangelion(s)" where there's some sort of player condition in regards to the events of ep. 24 (Shinji convinces Kaworu to live instead of be killed by him in unit 01) where if met Kaworu actually retrieves Unit 04 from the Dirac Sea & becomes it's pilot. So I can see that being used in some sort of fashion for alt scenarios as well
>>4266158>>4262764And iirc in that game Kaworu in unit 04 can take the place of Shinji in the Leilel fight, which implies he's introduced earlier which is also intriguing. Would be pretty neat to see people change the order of the angels sorta like what the Rebuild did with Clock-iel during Asuka's introduction
>>4265939>Yeah in all three main continuities (Manga, TV & Thrice) it's mentioned that World War III basically kicked off sans nukes for some reason.> So in Eva's universe did Globalism actually pan out and the UN is just the global govt? there's lots of interesting discussions to be hadiirc there's a couple times the US government is mentioned to make decisions outside of the UN and even threatens to pull out of NERV once, so im assuming that they're still operating on their own, but the UN just has some kind of larger role in the decision making process of their defense against the angels. So somehow they sorted themselves out after the Second impact cataclysm. >I really wonder if Kaworu is an occupied donor body if he was a willing participant, political prisoner, or a sacrifice tooOne thing that's interested me is that each iteration of Kaworu we've seen has a slightly different physical appearance. Obviously a design choice on the part of the show's creators but it does lead to interesting questions on where his physical form comes from.
>>4266158>There was also that Eva game, "Neon Genesis Evangelion(s)" where there's some sort of player condition in regards to the events of ep. 24 (Shinji convinces Kaworu to live instead of be killed by him in unit 01) where if met Kaworu actually retrieves Unit 04 from the Dirac Sea & becomes it's pilot. So I can see that being used in some sort of fashion for alt scenarios as wellhuh, didnt know about that. Unit-04's design is reminiscent of the MP Evas in its design so i suppose it makes sense that Kaworu would get to use it. In the scenario described above where all of the class other potential candidates get Evas around the same time you'd still have two left to go (Horaki and Kensuke) though.>And iirc in that game Kaworu in unit 04 can take the place of Shinji in the Leilel fight, which implies he's introduced earlier which is also intriguing. Would be pretty neat to see people change the order of the angels sorta like what the Rebuild did with Clock-iel during Asuka's introductionIn the story posted it seems like the idea would be to start off as a comfy mech fight show with two Eva teams and then gradually put them through the wringer, so it only makes sense for different angels to get swapped around just the same. Ive always thought the three angles that assaulted the pilot's minds (Leliel, Arael and armisael) to be the most interesting and harrowing angels seen due to their role in shattering the character's mental states, so I think it would make sense for these three to have their roles expanded upon and placed as the biggest foes for the pilots to face after theve been put through hell and back like the above posts described.
>>4266251>you'd still have two left to go (Horaki and Kensuke) though.Yeah I'd imagine we either get new designs for units 5 & 6 for those two or perhaps the MP Evas make it to full production but without Kaworu dummy plugs and possibly without S2 engines? It's implied in some secondary lore sources that Unit 04 & NERV second branch's collapse into the Dirac sea was actually sabotage on behalf of SEELE because they had already figured out how to install S2 engines into Evas (This is under the presumption that they had been building / working on the MP Evas since around the first episode, and that the sample they got from the 4th angel with the "research" Ritsuko said they still had in Germany after losing unit 04 ended up coming to fruition) and had Unit 04 destroyed / lost so that Gendo couldn't use it against them. Hence why they were so pissed when Unit 01 ate Zeruel and assimilated it's S2 engine into itself.>Ive always thought the three angles that assaulted the pilot's minds (Leliel, Arael and armisael) to be the most interesting and harrowing angels seen due to their role in shattering the character's mental statesAlso Bardiel if you're including Rebuild continuity for what it does to Asuka but yeah the non humanoid angels seem to be the most remembered and popular among the fanbase, as well as some of the worst in regards to their wrath. It took the entire power grid of Japan to take out Ramiel and the skirmish with Armisael led to the entirety of Tokyo 3 being lost. One thing I'm surprised didnt get explored more was the pilots perhaps being sent to other countries to deal with angels there. I know the rebuilds did it with the start of 2.0 being in Russia and I think it did something interesting by showing us the different branches of NERV and expanding the world beyond just Hakone, JapanAlso your picrel is so bittersweet lol, I wonder if that's what Kaji & Misato's (+Kaworu's) life together in watermelon Elysium at the end of Thrice is like.
>>4266242>iirc there's a couple times the US government is mentioned to make decisions outside of the UN and even threatens to pull out of NERV onceMan that makes me ask even more questions lol. Say what you will abt the Rebuilds love 'em or hate 'em but one thing they did so subtly that I loved them for was how they fleshed the world out beyond Japan. You have the beginning of 2.0 with Mari in Russia in the junker Eva 05, then you have the mentions of the "Vatican Treaty" later on as to how many Evas one country can have at a given time, and then in 3.0 (-46hrs) we get a harrowing shot of instrumentality / coreization ravaging the earth from the perspective of the ISS. And in the opening act of Thrice during Mari's fight in Paris when they finally manage to de-coreize the place they reveal components marked "JA" presumably for "Jet Alone" meaning it was also being developed in the Rebuild continuity as well but unlike the TV show never saw serious consideration over the Evas for whatever reason. And it's implied those are the components you see the mangled Unit 02 & 08 sporting in their final mission to assault to stop additional impact.Also the Vatican Treaty thing sounds so cool and makes me want an exploration into that. Is the Pope seen as some sort of high figure or ambassador in the UN enough to dictate policy regarding Eva & Angels? What is Christianity like in that universe since we know it still exists given in the TV show Asuka's mum has her service in a German church. Just so many questions to be had.>One thing that's interested me is that each iteration of Kaworu we've seen has a slightly different physical appearance.Really? I never noticed that. I know art changed from Sadamoto to Nishigori during the rebuilds after the formers sperg out on twitter regarding denial of Japanese war crimes against Koreans which led him to resign from Khara & drop out of the rebuilds completely. But I always thought they looked pretty consistent overall.
>>4266328>yeah I'd imagine we either get new designs for units 5 & 6 for those two or perhaps the MP Evas make it to full productioniirc there was a Unit-06 in the rebuilds that had a fleshed out design, you could theoretically recycle that. As for the MP Evas, I was always under the impression that those were SEELE's own project, and that the whole point was to keep them secret from the rest of NERV. Though I could be forgetting something. >Also Bardiel if you're including Rebuild continuity for what it does to Asuka but yeah the non humanoid angels seem to be the most remembered and popular among the fanbase, as well as some of the worst in regards to their wrath.In a scenario where the remaining pilots are all mentally tapped out, something like Bardiel that can possess an Eva and turn it against its own kind could make for a very compelling enemy if it's role is expanded on. The angels that cant necessarily be killed with the typical means of hand to hand combat were always very good at instilling a sense of hopelessness. who the angels end up targeting and who ends up killing them could also be swapped around here to great effect, I think. >>4266329>Also the Vatican Treaty thing sounds so cool and makes me want an exploration into that. Is the Pope seen as some sort of high figure or ambassador in the UN enough to dictate policy regarding Eva & Angels? What is Christianity like in that universe since we know it still exists given in the TV show Asuka's mum has her service in a German church. Just so many questions to be had. if the dead sea scrolls were something that had existed since antiquity then id say its plausible that the church were the ones who first discovered them and associated the descriptions of the aliens that would later be the angels and gave them their names. So perhaps the Vatican was let in on the inner workings of NERV due to their knowledge on the dead sea scrolls?
>>4266491>iirc there was a Unit-06 in the rebuilds that had a fleshed out design, you could theoretically recycle that.Oh yeah I'm dumb unit 06 was probably the best Rebuild unique Eva design the films ever churned out and it has only like 10 minutes of screen time in total lmao. Such a shame too because the build up to it with it's construction on the moon with Kaworu wandering around was kino. And I wouldn't be opposed to that design coming back along side units 03 & 04>that those were SEELE's own project, and that the whole point was to keep them secret from the rest of NERV.Yeah you seem to be right about that now that I refer to the lore. Makes me wonder then how a confrontation with the MPEs with more pilots than just Asuka & Shinji would go>who the angels end up targeting and who ends up killing them could also be swapped around here to great effect, I think.Yeah I'd still kill for a look into the plug at what exactly happens to the pilot when Bardiel takes over. We got a glimpse of that in the Rebuilds but not enough to really see what he does. The original storyboards for 2.0 actually had a way more gruesome depiction where Asuka gets impaled by a bunch of spikes and then gets her face ripped off and used by Bardiel to talk back at her and taunt her. And in the final product she just gets cummed on and then it goes in her eye for 14 years until the events of 3.0 & Thrice.>if the dead sea scrolls were something that had existed since antiquity then id say its plausible that the church were the ones who first discovered them and associated the descriptions of the aliens that would later be the angels and gave them their names. So perhaps the Vatican was let in on the inner workings of NERV due to their knowledge on the dead sea scrolls?Imagine the Pope or an emissary of the Vatican having to come and bless the Evas with holy water and perhaps it's explained that they have like uber secret holy water that's just like giga LCL or something.
>>4266494>Makes me wonder then how a confrontation with the MPEs with more pilots than just Asuka & Shinji would goPoorly, id imagine. Even in the manga Shinji got defeated by them pretty easily even with Asuka. No surprise since they had regeneration and the energy of the S2 engines, as well as the replica spears. >Yeah I'd still kill for a look into the plug at what exactly happens to the pilot when Bardiel takes over. We got a glimpse of that in the Rebuilds but not enough to really see what he does. The original storyboards for 2.0 actually had a way more gruesome depiction where Asuka gets impaled by a bunch of spikes and then gets her face ripped off and used by Bardiel to talk back at her and taunt her. And in the final product she just gets cummed on and then it goes in her eye for 14 years until the events of 3.0 & Thrice.iirc some or all of the rebuild angels are a combo of two of the angels seen in the show, with Bardiel sharing traits with Arael (the one that made Asuka hallucinate seeing her worst flaws) so its possible that the face thing was a hallucination too. Though in the manga we do get a glimpse of what OG Bardiel did to Toji, and that he seems to have some kind of thing spread throughout his skin and body like a kind of body horror esque manner. We only see the beginning and the very end, but it looks like it spread everywhere, and the look in his eyes almost seems to imply that he was either being controlled or killed from when it started. Im wondering if it could somehow hop from one Eva to another if one got close though. >Imagine the Pope or an emissary of the Vatican having to come and bless the Evas with holy water and perhaps it's explained that they have like uber secret holy water that's just like giga LCL or something.iirc Ritsuko mentions that LCL was known for a while and was in the dead sea scrolls, so it makes sense that anyone who knew of those could make or get LCL somehow.
>>4266691>We only see the beginning and the very end, but it looks like it spread everywhere, and the look in his eyes almost seems to imply that he was either being controlled or killed from when it started.Oh is that from the chapter covers? iirc there's one where it's Toji just in some catatonic looking state with a bunch of veins running thru his suit and skin similar to what Armisael did to Rei II. That is pretty freaky to think about that Toji was getting assimilated in the plug and slowly being eaten by Bardiel. Ofc the Rebuilds made him a bit different since he was able to basically live inside Asuka's eye sorta like a parasite. Makes me wonder had they gotten to Toji sooner would it have been a Rebuild Bardiel scenario where Toji would've been put in stasis as a sorta angel-human hybrid.>Im wondering if it could somehow hop from one Eva to another if one got close though.iirc in the show that is sorta explored since Bardiel tries to spread itself into unit 00 before Gendo orders the arm to be separated to prevent further infection. But that does make me want to explore some sort of alt scenario where Bardiel starts spreading thru the NERV facility and we get some sort of Dead Space or TLOU scenario where he's running rampant through out the facility and perhaps Misato and the other military crew have to fight it off while braced in Central Dogma protecting the MAGI or something.>iirc Ritsuko mentions that LCL was known for a while and was in the dead sea scrolls, so it makes sense that anyone who knew of those could make or get LCL somehow.I wonder since Lilith was their source of LCL where would other places get their supplies. Or was NERV Japan the source for all LCL and they shipped it out in mass quantities around the world for work with the other Evas since it's implied other countries like the US, Germany & China (As well as Russia in the Rebuilds) are making and maintaining their own units along side the branch we follow in the series.
>>4266838> iirc there's one where it's Toji just in some catatonic looking state with a bunch of veins running thru his suit and skin similar to what Armisael did to Rei II. That is pretty freaky to think about that Toji was getting assimilated in the plug and slowly being eaten by Bardiel.yeah thats the one. I always thought it was implying that it kept spreading through him, and that body horror aspect is something i find both fascinating and underexplored. Imagine if we got a shot of him when it was fighting shinji and he was just fully consumed by it with his eyes staring into nothing. >iirc in the show that is sorta explored since Bardiel tries to spread itself into unit 00 before Gendo orders the arm to be separated to prevent further infection. But that does make me want to explore some sort of alt scenario where Bardiel starts spreading thru the NERV facility and we get some sort of Dead Space or TLOU scenario where he's running rampant through out the facility and perhaps Misato and the other military crew have to fight it off while braced in Central Dogma protecting the MAGI or something.yeah, that does sound interesting. what'd id also like to see is what would have happened had it infected Unit-01/Shinji. Everyone gave Shinji shit for not acting, but now they have to be put in that same position, especially Gendo as without Unit-01 everything he planned for goes to shit. >I wonder since Lilith was their source of LCL where would other places get their supplies. Or was NERV Japan the source for all LCL and they shipped it out in mass quantities around the world for work with the other Evas since it's implied other countries like the US, Germany & China (As well as Russia in the Rebuilds) are making and maintaining their own units along side the branch we follow in the series.I remember Ritsuko said they could make it in labs, but i'd assume that the stuff from Lilith would be the main supply.
>>4267073>I always thought it was implying that it kept spreading through him, and that body horror aspect is something i find both fascinating and underexplored. Imagine if we got a shot of him when it was fighting shinji and he was just fully consumed by it with his eyes staring into nothing.The other bit I found fascinating was that when Bardiel had fully consumed unit-03 he was able to seemingly generate more muscle & matter from it as well as assimilating the armour plating into it. When it gets close enough to unit 01 to choke it, it goes Mr Fantastic mode and super stretches it's arms out to choke Shinji and the armour is stretched along with it, meaning it had incorporated it into it's living tissue somehow.Also ya Eva body horror sounds so cool and freaky I'd love to see it. We got a taste of it in the Rebuilds since we got to see what Asuka became after prolonged exposure to it in unit 03, and it's probably something they could further elaborate on if they ever do a Eva 2.5 to cover the time between 2.0 & 3.0.>what'd id also like to see is what would have happened had it infected Unit-01/Shinji. Everyone gave Shinji shit for not acting, but now they have to be put in that same position, especially Gendo as without Unit-01 everything he planned for goes to shit.Oooh I hadnt even thought of that. hell what if it had infected unit 00 or unit 02 fully and now Shinji had to face the consequences of not only possibly maiming/killing Toji but also Rei or Asuka. Or similarly had it infected unit 01 alone and the other units were left dealing with the now zombified Eva and we get some sorta Godzilla situation of mixed arms between conventional UN weapons & Eva shenanigans.
>>4267081>Also ya Eva body horror sounds so cool and freaky I'd love to see it. We got a taste of it in the Rebuilds since we got to see what Asuka became after prolonged exposure to it in unit 03, and it's probably something they could further elaborate on if they ever do a Eva 2.5 to cover the time between 2.0 & 3.0.imho the original series and manga gave the best glimpses into this, Baridiel's takeover of Toji is harrowing despite what little we see, Armisael was grotesque in the way it mutilated the Eva and spread throughout Rei, ect. Seeing more of that would be neat. >Oooh I hadnt even thought of that. hell what if it had infected unit 00 or unit 02 fully and now Shinji had to face the consequences of not only possibly maiming/killing Toji but also Rei or Asuka. I think the inverse of this would also be very neat. Asuka might talk a big talk, but actually having to go against Shinji might be a little much for her to handle. Likewise, I cant imagine Rei would deal with the conflict of carrying out her orders vs potentially killing the only person who hasnt treated her like a tool. >Or similarly had it infected unit 01 alone and the other units were left dealing with the now zombified Eva and we get some sorta Godzilla situation of mixed arms between conventional UN weapons & Eva shenanigans.Oooh man, i can already see this being intense from the point of view of Misato panicking about what's happening to Shinji. Or even Gendo, since his previous strategy of just activating the dummy plug and ripping the Eva to shreds wouldn't work with Yui. [spoiler]also lmaoing @ how most of this thread has just been our convo but with misatos attached. best girl truly spurs discussion [/spoiler]
>>4267165>[spoiler]best girl truly spurs discussion[/spoiler]So true lol>Oooh man, i can already see this being intense from the point of view of Misato panicking about what's happening to Shinji. Or even Gendo, since his previous strategy of just activating the dummy plug and ripping the Eva to shreds wouldn't work with Yui.Yeah I could see Gendo like running to SEELE begging them not to N2 bombard unit 01 because Yui's soul is trapped in it and them twisting his arm about it to their delight.>I think the inverse of this would also be very neat. Asuka might talk a big talk, but actually having to go against Shinji might be a little much for her to handle. Likewise, I cant imagine Rei would deal with the conflict of carrying out her orders vs potentially killing the only person who hasnt treated her like a tool.Getting an Asuka breakdown where she admits to loving or at least caring about Shinji as she's dodging an infected Unit 01 sounds cool. In the first or second draft storyboard for Eva 3.0 this was actually going to be something they did with Misato & Kaji. Misato was going to get infected by some prototype virus of the failures of infinity and she would attempt to seduce Kaji to spread it to him to his dismay at the thought of having to harm the woman he loves the most. You can see a remnant of this in the after credits preview for 3.0 where there's a quick shot of Kaji pointing a USP with a laser and having an expression of distress. Honestly the original draft for 3.0 sounded really cool and I wish Anno had followed thru. I remember The reason he ditched it was because he couldn't stomach the idea of a rebuild without Shinji, which is a shame because he could've easily slipped in parts with Shinji where he's in some illusion world while stuck in unit 01 post N3I.https://old.reddit.com/r/evangelion/comments/a5ivd5/last_seen_image_of_kaji_in_the_rebuild_series/The scenario w/ Kaji & Misato is in the third reply, real interesting read.
>>4267461>Yeah I could see Gendo like running to SEELE begging them not to N2 bombard unit 01 because Yui's soul is trapped in it and them twisting his arm about it to their delight.Misato's reaction would be juicy too. She's entirely focused on Shinji while everyone around her has already written him off and is ready to kill unit-01. cant imagine she'd have much fun there. >Getting an Asuka breakdown where she admits to loving or at least caring about Shinji as she's dodging an infected Unit 01 sounds coolImagine Rei getting paralyzed with fear and not wanting to harm the only person who treated her like a human, all while unit-01 thrashes unit-00 and/or tries to pry open the armor to its plug. >In the first or second draft storyboard for Eva 3.0 this was actually going to be something they did with Misato & Kaji. Misato was going to get infected by some prototype virus of the failures of infinity and she would attempt to seduce Kaji to spread it to him to his dismay at the thought of having to harm the woman he loves the most. You can see a remnant of this in the after credits preview for 3.0 where there's a quick shot of Kaji pointing a USP with a laser and having an expression of distress.didn't know about this at all and man, thats way more interesting than him just kind of walking off like we saw in 3.0. I think youre right about the rough drafts, way more interesting than what we got. Ive heard it thrown around that the reason a lot of that got cut is that the production drama surrounding the initial planning of 3.0 caused Anno to scrap everything he had, in which case its a shame. Really cant say im happy with what we got over the glimpses of what was planned at the time 2.0 ended. >So true lol[spoiler]when this thread starts coming to a close hopefully they'll be a way to contact you and some of the other anons here to follow up on the ideas and stuff posted.[/spoiler]
>>4267736>Imagine Rei getting paralyzed with fear and not wanting to harm the only person who treated her like a human, all while unit-01 thrashes unit-00 and/or tries to pry open the armor to its plug.Better yet having both of them freak the fuck out & Misato almost have an aneurysm from dealing with the mental breakdown coming from Asuka, Rei's apathy and willingness to die instead of hurt Shinji, and not knowing what's going on the Shinji inside the plug. All the while I'm assuming the bridge staff are probably shitting their collective pants.>Misato's reaction would be juicy too. She's entirely focused on Shinji while everyone around her has already written him off and is ready to kill unit-01. cant imagine she'd have much fun there.Yeah I can imagine a reverse of Shinji's panic when he was being eaten by Leilel on Misato's end. Perhaps she draws her USP on one of the NERV staff trying to authorize a kill order on unit 01 out of sheer mania.> I think youre right about the rough drafts, way more interesting than what we got. Ive heard it thrown around that the reason a lot of that got cut is that the production drama surrounding the initial planning of 3.0 caused Anno to scrap everything he had, in which case its a shame. Really cant say im happy with what we got over the glimpses of what was planned at the time 2.0 ended.If it's any consolation aside from the FoI virus I think in interviews Anno has said most things in that preview are canon and did happen in between 2.0 & 3.0. That visual of unit 06 or 09 floating down to TD with a halo is probably my favourite shot from that preview along with the Kaji gun frame.>when this thread starts coming to a close hopefully they'll be a way to contact you and some of the other anons here to follow up on the ideas and stuff posted[spoiler]If you have socials somewhere like discord or messenger or whatever I'd be happy to add you. Spit balling Eva stuff in this thread every evening has been nice[/spoiler]
>>4267742>Better yet having both of them freak the fuck out & Misato almost have an aneurysm from dealing with the mental breakdown coming from Asuka, Rei's apathy and willingness to die instead of hurt Shinji, and not knowing what's going on the Shinji inside the plug. All the while I'm assuming the bridge staff are probably shitting their collective pants.Misato trying to beg Asuka or Rei to do something would be pretty intense, especially while the other two pilots have their own breakdown. It'd almost be a complete reversal of both bardiel fights. Asuka would hesitate for too long to kill/hurt Shinji only to wait too long and get bodied by Unit-01, then Rei curls up in a ball in her own breakdown when Unit-01 comes for her. >yeah I can imagine a reverse of Shinji's panic when he was being eaten by Leilel on Misato's end. Perhaps she draws her USP on one of the NERV staff trying to authorize a kill order on unit 01 out of sheer mania.Id imagine she'd draw it on Ritsuko after trying to activate Unit-01's self destruct, then waive it around at the other crew and threated to kill them if they follow through. All the while Gendo would be no help at all, just freezing up and muttering about Yui. Overall, utter chaos. sounds fun. >If it's any consolation aside from the FoI virus I think in interviews Anno has said most things in that preview are canon and did happen in between 2.0 & 3.0. That visual of unit 06 or 09 floating down to TD with a halo is probably my favourite shot from that preview along with the Kaji gun frame.Ugh. Greatest sin a story can commit is not telling the most interesting in the story itself.>If you have socials somewhere like discord or messenger or whatever I'd be happy to add you. Spit balling Eva stuff in this thread every evening has been nice[spoiler]ill drop it after your next post. [/spoiler]
>>4268196*most interesting thingits been a long night.
>>4268196>Misato trying to beg Asuka or Rei to do something would be pretty intense, especially while the other two pilots have their own breakdown. It'd almost be a complete reversal of both bardiel fights.There'd be no dummy plug too. Though I guess perhaps it could work with unit 00 since it's Rei I in there but they never did it in any of the three main continuities so who knows. One the other left out drafts of Eva 3.0 that I found particularly fascinating was Maeda's version that pretty much has all the same story beats as the 3.0 we did get but with a little more elaboration on some of the finer details like how Gendo & Fuyutsuki were able to automate the Eva building process, & how they had so many functional dummy plug'd Evas post 3I and NERV civil war[spoiler]It was an army of(presumably soulless) Rei clones wearing Lilith masks and it was a reveal saved for the end of the film (https://old.reddit.com/r/evangelion/comments/pzy0b6/art_from_mahiro_maedas_storyboards_for_an_early/)[/spoiler]>Id imagine she'd draw it on Ritsuko after trying to activate Unit-01's self destruct, then waive it around at the other crew and threated to kill them if they follow through.Oh man having that be the fulcrum that finally breaks their friendship which was already strained by the midpoint of the series sounds like some real psychological breakdown kino, I can imagine that's how this alt Misato finds out she's in bed with Gendo out of lonelyness.>Ugh. Greatest sin a story can commit is not telling the most interesting in the story itself.At least Anno has expressed either him or someone else heading a Eva 2.5 and I could see it being made into anything really, from an OVA, Series, manga or film. Sky's the limit really. Like I said in an earlier post that time gap seems to be Eva's equivalent of the Clone Wars tease line in SW Ep IV.>ill drop it after your next post.[spoiler]I eagerly await fella Eva-tism /c/ anon...[/spoiler]
>No new posts in 2 days... misatobros?
>>4272511Damn now that I think about it that's the last time she's her relatively normal Misato self in the Rebuilds. After this scene the accident with unit 03 happens, and then N3I shortly after. Then 14 years of war and self sacrifice for Shinji
Misato saw Shinji as being a younger version of her father, a man who in her view did not confront reality because it was too painful. She wanted to be his guardian so she could fix him.
>>4272696She hated him in 3.0. She even wanted to keep him isolated and mebtally tortured even though she knew she was also responsible for N3I.
>>4273169Yeah she was def in denial of her responsibility in 3.0. Tho that doesnt really change any of what I said. After that scene of her getting drunk with Kaji everything goes to shit and then it's just 14 years of war until she ends up sacrificing herself for Shinji in Thrice
>>4273170Id hesitate to say that was for Shinji. Sje just wanted to make him miserable, she only cared for the Wunder crew, who also wanted him dead.
>>4273594Uh, I dont know anon, she literally dies with a picture of Shinji and her son by her side on the console, as well as making Mari promise that she'll rescue Shinji on her dying breaths. If she truly only cared abt the Wunder crew why wouldnt she have left in the escape pods with Ritsuko and the others. Hell the whole idea of turning the Wunder into a spear was to help Shinji fight Gendo. She even quite literally takes a bullet for him getting in the way of Sakura's shot. If that isnt sacrificing herself for Shinji I dont know what is lol.
>>4273597Her using the spear was entirely a pragmatic decision, as Shinji forced his way into her existing plans. Honestly you could also say this was the case with her promise to Mari and her taking the bullet from Sakura.As for the picture, that was honestly more of her love for her own son over Shinji. 3.0 made it clear she wanted nothing to do with him
>>4273604>3.0 made it clear she wanted nothing to do with himThen why did she take responsibility for N3I right after taking a bullet for him? She also could have very easily just thrown Shinji back in the brig instead of letting him pilot if she really didnt want anything to do with him. That whole moment on the bridge after Gendo dives into the anti universe wtih Mk 13 kinda makes it out to be that Misato recognizes she was projecting her own regrets onto Shinji from 3.0 onwards. And again if the spear was a pragmatic choice then why would she choose herself of all people to sacrifice to get the spear into Eva imaginary?As for the photo yes there's a dual meaning there with her own son as well but if Shinji's visage really bothered her that much why would she die with his picture there, she very easily could've just folded it or tore him out of it.
Apologies if this is unwelcome, but here's a Misato x Shinji nsfw fic I wrote featuring Misato's armpits.https://pastes.io/kl6qsqfmm9
>>4276855Imagine the smell
>>4275511Were they lesbians in the end?
>>4281156What's she eating?
>>4285411anima was batshit insane but it had some good designs.
>>4275511are these the uniforms from FMA?