>>12967445Based
>>12967458holy QT
Alice Endo's booba and boota
>>12967445I wanna FUCK this Korean like you wouldn't believe
>>12967445>Princess of Princess Championship
>>12967445How long until MIYUWINSLOL, Rika bros?
>>12967445>indy fedwho cares
>>12967480
>>12967481Wait, is she really Korean?
>>12967445Loveu loveu loveu loveu loveu Puroresu is objectively better than that loveu loveu loveu Giulia crap, by a factory of ~66%
>couldn't even draw 300
>>12967485Way more prestigious than the NWA womens championship
>>12967541Or any NWA championship or anything to do with the NWA at all.
>>12967481This meme ain't getting over
>>12967524part chinese actually
>>12967532Stardom gets outdrawn by Ice Ribbon anyway
>>12967639more like based ribbon
>>12967579
>>12967639fake news and you know it, Icel
>>12967702
>>12967714https://www.cagematch.net/de/?id=1&nr=299761https://www.cagematch.net/de/?id=1&nr=301119
>>12967639Then why the hell do people talk about Stardom on here everyday and not Ice Ribbon? I've watched exactly two Stardom matches, but know a decent amount about the promotion from random /asp/ies' posts. Are the Ice Ribbon girls not waifu material?
>>12967730they both sold out, the limit was increased between the shows>>12967733most of the ice ribbon roster is in their 30s and the younger members are mostly ugly
>Princess of Princess Championship
Miu will be good in Stardom some day, can't wait to see her face some real competition
>>12967733Ice Ribbon is discussed elsewhere because /asp/ has a disgusting pedo that spends all day here waiting for anyone to mention it so he can call the owner too old and then shitpost until it archives.
>>12967481has she done gravure?
>>12967485>>12967792Based, fuck Princess Toshi
>>12967481
>>12967733In the Top 10 fan rankings in Japan, the Ice Ribbon match ranked 1st (Yukihi/Suzuki) ahead of the Stardom match (Iwatani/Iroha) and the fans chose an Ice Ribbon wrestler as Rookie of the Year. To Western fans Stardom is more popular though, yes.
>>12968269stardom is more well known in japan than IR and gets more coverage by larger media such as tokyo sports.
>>12968297they're in bushiroads pockets so that makes sense
>>12968297Bushiroad heavily advertises in Tokyo Sports for both NJPW and Stardom, so get a lot of coverage in return. Being "more well known" doesn't mean wrestling fans care, or Yoshiko would have drawn 20,000 to Seadlinng.
>>12968358Stardom has been the top promotion for years, though
>>12968448Pre-Bushiroad they were drawing the same numbers as anybody else were. Rossy said he sold them because he couldn't get them to grow bigger on his own.Unless by "top promotion" you mean something else.
>>12967995what is this look trying to convey?
>>12967524No. 5ch posters are basically JP /pol/lacks while also being Stardrones because of how much they coom to Stardom's wrestlers so they think they're mocking TJPW by saying their champion "sounds Chinese" when she speaks Japanese because she has a nasally voice, basically little different than when /pol/ says people aren't white because they have brown eyes or whatever dumb shit.The local pedo desperately wants to think he fits in with the Japanese otaku community so he copies their language and opinions which now includes claiming that Rika isn't or partially is not Japanese.>>12967733Bigger English language fanbase because Dave shills it because his big connection to Japanese wrestling, Fumi, is buddies with the Stardom office and Dave doesn't really know shit about mdoern joshi while most of the western audience uses him as a barometer for whether or not they should watch something.Ice Ribbon/Stardom/TJPW tend to draw around the same per show, Stardom just runs twice the events everyone else does because its office is obsessed with domestic growth. TJPW seems focused on both domestic and global growth while Ice Ribbon basically just quietly does its thing so it doesn't have the western hardcores that TJPW and Stardom do.
>>12968465>Pre-Bushiroad they were drawing the same numbers as anybody else were. What other promotion was drawing 30k total attendance?
>>12968465they were drawing more and running more, significantly more - no, but it's a fact
>>12967485Ironically I think Jim would actually like Miu because she has a physique and actually is strong so he'd find her more believable than Riho plus emotes well and is a good babyface. Probably say that she needs to cut out the "goofy entrance shit" though.Unless he just wants to go all in on trolling or whatever.
>>12968482>ch posters are basically JP /pol/lacks while also being Stardrones because of how much they coom to Stardom's wrestlers so they think they're mocking TJPW by saying their champion "sounds Chinese" when she speaks Japanese because she has a nasally voiceFunny because this "Rika sounds Chinese" thing came from ABEMA chat.>>12968546>5'3">still moves like a robot No he wouldn't
>>12968482>copies their language and opinionsturns out his opinions in the end aligned more with Western fans than Japanese fans as far as match ranking>Bigger English language fanbaseStardom is by far and away most popular in the West because of their streaming and subtitles, though it seems Bushiroad doesn't care about that as much like you said with the domestic audience. Makes sense they want a hundred butts in $80 seats not 100 foreign $10 streamers.>TJPW seems focused on both domestic and global growthI wonder what it will take to get Cyberagent to notice them more.>Ice Ribbon basically just quietlyThey really got screwed by corona as their planned big growth play in 2020 was a Korakuen Hall almost every month
>>12968482>Most people look to Meltzer for what to watch>Stardom is only more popular because of Dave, not because they had Io, Kairi, Mayu, Hana, etc...>Ice Ribbon / Stardom / TJPW draw the same per showLmao, it's sad you sit here and spew these lies then convince yourself they are true.
>>12968546She's an asian woman's wrestler so no he'd just dismiss her entirely as a school girl. When you're calling Io, Asuka and Shida school girls no one else is going to change that. He'll give Aja credit probably because she wrestled in the 80s unless he sees her ddt stuff.
>>12968619>I wonder what it will take to get Cyberagent to notice them more.maybe AEW? dunno
>>12968482Your post is 100% correct and the other replies to it are seething newfags and or meltzdrones upset that daddy got called out.
hasn't tjpw generally been doing better than ddt recently?
>>12968482stardom got popular before dave started talking much about it. agreed though that dave doesn't know much about modern joshi.
>>12968648remember famed stardom wrestler kana
>>12968621didn't he say Pre-Bushiroad? That would be 2018 and if you click through their shows on Cagematch it's Korakuen 715, 735, and Shin-Kiba 245, 295 which was pretty standard though they did run many more shows.Now hard to tell because of restrictions and most all of the companies can draw 700 in Korakuen Hall. Budokan will be a good measuring stick for them because they'll be allowed 6,000-7,000 which probably isn't likely.
>>12968688Kidani already said the only reason they are running the Budokan is because in covid times running an empty building doesn't look as bad. They will struggle to put much more than 2000 in there.
>>12968482>Ice Ribbon/Stardom/TJPW tend to draw around the same per show, Stardom just runs twice the events everyone else does because its office is obsessed with domestic growth.Doesn't that mean that they draw more though?Like selling 750 tickets in Kouraken every two months is not as impressive as selling 600 twice a month.
>>12968750don't waste your time
>>12968735Most likely. They ran that EDION Arena in Osaka that allowed 4,000 and did 1,027.I could see them doing 2,000 because it is Tokyo where their fanbase and *cough* newspaper allies reside plus the card is interesting.
>>12968761Yeah, you're right.
Are they doing Yoshiko vs Mayu at Budokan? Because I haven't watched Stardom since Kagetsu and I might watch for that.
>>12968750he said "per show" not overall attendance for the year. We all know it is all the same fans.
>>12968805Ice Ribbon's show late January drew 391 and TJPW show today drew 507, so even if it's the same fans getting them to show up each month is not that easy.
>>12968875pandemic + State of Emergency declaration doesn't help either. Though I haven't read of pro wrestling being a super spreader event so far.
>>12968643Yes, for a while
>>12968910Of course it doesn't. My point was that running more shows doesn't mean that you would draw the same numbers.
>>12967445Did the Stardrones already arrive with their cagematch data, graphs and magazine covers to cope for the fact that their fed lost its soul?
>>12968954true you can just look at the Stardom Korakuen Hall shows from 2020.09/28 - 40710/18 - 58610/29 - 47211/14 - 563running too much might actual hurt attendance show-to-show because shits expensive and how much does a fan need?
>Thread is about a great match that happened last night> Yet the discussion is a bunch of joshi smarks discussing attendance for other fedsHave sex and get a clue.
>>12969004rika can't even draw in her own thread LMAO
>>12968995That's true, but I suspect rent is lower now which is why a lot promotions are running bigger buildings now.
>>12969047It is lower but not by much because venues need money badly and smaller ones are closing down or being sold.
>>12969162which ones are closing?
>>12969047I meant expensive for the fan, not just the promotion. Ticket prices have gone up not down during corona, so maybe some fans will skip to every other show for money and safety.
>>12969004Stardrones are so sensitive.
>>12969229The funniest thing is that it's undeniable that Stardom declined, Ice Ribbon sells better in Korakuen than they do and their attendance is on public recordBut then excuses are made all over
>>12969229OPs intentions were clearly to bait
>>12968619>turns out his opinions in the end aligned more with Western fans than Japanese fans as far as match ranking5ch incels don't actually go to the shows or anything. I'm not saying Japanese fans as a whole but a specific subset of them.
>>12968805The easiest I can find is a Reddit post from last year showing overall attendance figures among the promotions in 2019 (so pre-COVID). Stardom did on average 395 fans, Ice Ribbon 193 and TJPW 305.But that's average attendance so Stardom running a few more bigger venues and Korakuen more often will bump up their average while Ice Ribbon runs tons of Dojo shows in a venue that seats 80-90 fans so obviously that drops their average.But when they run the same venues (i.e. Shin-kiba, FACE, Korakuen, places like that) their attendance figures are all roughly the same. I think TJPW was actually outdrawing Stardom at Korakuen for a while. They did just under 1500 for the 1/4 show last year and I think would've been able to hit their 2500 goal for TDC if COVID wasn't a thing.But I'm sure this is where agua comes back with number of comments on Yahoo articles or some irrelevant bullshit.
>>12969450don't forget Ice has its territory staked out in Yokohama where no one else seems to be as popular
>>12969460Ice almost never goes to the Kansai region, where Stardom, TJPW, Oz and Wave will regularly go each year. Those companies will do Sendai and Hokkaido in normal non-corona times too.
>>12969460Right, also I'm not going to deny that right now as an owner Bushiroad is better than CyberAgent because Kidani is a giant nerd who seems to have a personal stake in wanting his products to succeed and is willing to put in the money to do it by pushing for bigger venues, better contracts, and so on.CyberAgent seems to just view TJPW (and DDT and NOAH) as streaming content and don't really have anyone high up like that fighting to grow them or being willing to shell out the money. You can't even credit them for UNIVERSE since IIRC DDT had that up and going prior to being bought by CyberAgent. Their growth is entirely through their own efforts with seemingly little actual help from a largely disinterested corporate parent.I can't speak for Ice Ribbon and Neoplus since I'm not actually sure what the hell Neoplus is.
>>12969500>Kidani is a giant nerd who seems to have a personal stake in wanting his products to succeedThe impression I get from him is that he's willing to harm the industry at large by making Stardom into a WWE-lite poaching machine that tells half the roster to wear makeup when they don't want to, and puts the other half on steroids.Fuck them. Kagetsu got out just in time.Neoplus is just a holding company.
>>12969543 Maybe the relentless boosting of Stardom will get more fans to joshi, but at the cost of every other company being able to keep the stars they make.
>>12969500>I can't speak for Ice Ribbon and Neoplus since I'm not actually sure what the hell Neoplus is.Neoplus is to Ice Ribbon to what Bushiroad is to Stardom. Not hard.
>>12967481>>12967995>>12969505I wanna eat her out so bad
>>12969591except Neoplus doesn't have idol groups and mobile games
>>12969617> idol groups and mobile gameswhich are all probably under different umbrella names inside Bushiroad as well. It's standard corporate business legal stuff about taxes and sell/loss accounting.For example CyberAgent has CyberFights before any of its wrestling companies.
>>12969617didn't Ice Ribbon have a baseball related mobile game?
>>12969654Yeah, Japanese company structure is really weird like that
>>12969664It's not just Japan, but their corporate tax structure does seem set up to create it.
>>12969686Probably a holdover from when most of the big companies were just Yakuza fronts
>>12969591I mean what Neoplus does as a company. Bushiroad is a multimedia entertainment company. CyberAgent is as well with a heavy emphasis on mobile gaming and streaming. I have no idea what Neoplus does.
>>12969831neoplus is also a multimedia company but got there early in the game (late 90's-early 2000s) sold a bunch of their original IPs and seems to be running off that bank.>http://www.jnet.or.jp/company.html
The truth aguakun doesn't want you to see.
>>12968625brian last at least seemed legit happy that aja might get to be on american tv again for the first time in a long time
>>12970441He was also howling reading a Maki Itoh tweet promoting Wrestle Princess.Rightfully so these show names are gay as fuck nowadays
I'll rape.>>12968269By a nominal amount, the Ice Ribbon match had 202 votes while the Stardom match had 188.The difference is so small that it's hardly indicative of anything.Stardom airs on national television in 8 different prefectures on BS and terrestrial and they get widespread coverage from various sports papers and publications. Their reach is far greater than the Warabi dojo promotion..Stardom is synonymous with women's wresting in Japan.You can claim Bushiroad is using "payola" but that doesn't account for the growth exponential across various platforms, engagement and profitability of the promotion.You can look at DDT and TJPW, who air for free on ABEMA and advertise in Tokyo Sports and Weekly Pro, but make no money and aren't seeing much audience growth for an example of advertising not always meaning business growth.Just pushing something onto people won't make them engage with it.Also, Ice Ribbon is not popular, and that's pretty evident in their lack of business growth and low engagement on SNS and YouTube.They are not a promotion with a growing audience.In Shupro Mobile's 2020 Best Women's Group Poll, Stardom won overwhelming with 148 votes to Ice Ribbon's 65. (Issue no.2101)In the Net Pro Wrestling Awards 2020, Stardom was the highest rated women's group at #4 with 94 votes, which is the highest number of votes a women's promotion has received in NPWA history.(This is funny because historically Ice Ribbon has been the top-rated promotion, but in 2020 they had a big drop.)And obviously Giulia ranked #1 in Shupro's Women's Grand Prix with the highest number of votes in that category.These aren't "popularity" rankings, btw. They're supposed to be based on quality.
>>12970373There's hardly any truth here.Just mutants spreading their usual unsourced lies and overstating the value of individual attendance figures and comparing useless stats like "averages" with a promotion that has a far busier schedule and higher ticket prices.They're just throwing out numbers without looking at the bigger picture because the bigger picture doesn't suit their phony narratives.It is a fact that DDT and CyberFight groups are not profitable.https://catr.jp/companies/277aa/36270They have a 70 million yen deficit that increased because they took NOAH's debt.An individual Korakuen Hall figure of a Tokyo Joshi Pro show won't suddenly get them out of the red.They're bleeding yen.They're not a money-making group.Tokyo Joshi Pro aired for free on ABEMA TV and didn't even make the top 50 most viewed that day.Their numbers were embarrassingly low for a so-called popular promotion.They're second to Stardom in how much media coverage they get but the engagement is so small. Their product is obviously not intriguing enough to gather new eyes, outside of the western freaks on twitter.They obviously have fans, but the domestic audience isn't growing much.Further, none of Tokyo Joshi's wrestlers won any categories in ShuPro's fan-voted Pro Wrestling Grand Prix.None of them made it in the top 5 in each category.None of them were listed in the top 50 "Favorite Wrestler" category either. The lowest-ranked wrestler had 31 votes.That means that none of the Tokyo Joshi's wrestlers won against a wrestler who received 31 votes.This group isn't taken seriously by Japanese media and fans alike.
>>12967445Link to the match?
>>12970683Correction, that's a 470 million yen deficit that CyberFight has accrued.They literally spend a ton more money than they bring in.For reference, Stardom's annual income from sales alone is 200 million yen.
>>12970679>>12970683tl;dr>Pro Wrestling Grand Prix 2020>7. Suzu Suzuki vs. Maya Yukihi>8. Mayu Iwatani vs. Takumi Iroha>10. Mayumi Ozaki vs. Saori AnouFor Stardom no Iroha, no best bout
>>12970679>>12970683get a life
>>1297071014 points between them.Suzu Suzuki lives in a dormitory that she has to pay a monthly fee to stay in despite making low wages, while Mayu Iwatani is making more than Keji Mutoh did in his heyday in an upscale apartment with auto-lock doors.Your favorite joshi promotion pays low wages and most of their roster works second jobs.Alos, I've never seen a ToJo fan on Twitter who didn't have gender pronouns in their Twitter bio so it's hilarious that ToJo fans would even have the nerve to use "tranny" as an insult, by the way.
>>12970719>Ice Ribbon is not popular, and that's pretty evident in their lack of business growth and low engagement on SNS and YouTube.Yuhiki vs. Suzu was voted the most popular joshi match by fans of pro wrestling?>They are not a promotion with a growing audience.factually untrue
holy shit fagua's desperate this time
>>12970738only you care about that and you still cannot see it as a desperate cope on your part.you spent a lot of time claiming Japanese fans know better than every one, and when they repudiated you now you have to explain how they're wrong...and you have to do it with 1,000 words!!
>>12970750WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
>>12970770but above the 'japanese fans know everything' , he also uses 'I know more than the japanese fans who have a reality that doesn't match my own, and my word is final because I have a wwe review channel on youtube'
>>12970770The person who is desperately coping is the person who is focusing on only one category of the awards while conveniently ignoring the others because it doesn't agree with his outright lie.You tried to claim that was evidence that "Ice Ribbon is more popular with Japanese fans" when the other cats tell a different story.In the "Favorite Wrestlers" and "Women's Prize" categories, Stardom >> Ice Ribbon.Alas... this is the sort of sophistry one would expect from a piggu gaijin from FL.Also, way to focus on the important points of my posts.>>12970785You're siding with someone who is blatantly lying just because you share an interest in the same promotion.This is why western fans are worthless.Too much zealotry and partisanship get in the way of facts with you people.
>>12970818Eat shit and die pedotranny
Guys, If you've never checked joshi, don't read the long ass replies, they are from a known schizo pedophile freak, cancer of the joshi community, banned from /wooo/ for good reason.
>>12970818I don't even watch Ice Ribbon I'm just here to see you own yourself.
>>12970825 i wish /wooo/ was still around and he was forced at knifepoint to stay on it
>>12970825Imagine going on /wooo/ in 2021
>>12970834I like it, they filter out the spergs like him who write bibles no one ever reads
yappari as expected agua-sensei has delivered a harsh lesson to the marauders after all
>Writes bibles, comments later pretending to be other people, supporting his own points using terms only he usesLmao, not only a sperg, but also has dissociative identity disorder, his mom should've aborted
>>12970856kek
>>12970840I bet you and the other 4 people who still post there love it
>>12970879is that Orca Uto's wife?
All girls from Nagano look like Ririko Ishizawa
>>12970894I'm moving there right now
>>12968688If they ran many more shows but were drawing similar crowd sizes ...they drew more?
>>12970882NANI KORE?
>>12967481Rika isn't Korean she's Chinese
>Talking about crowd sizes, drawing, ratings, money, magazines, Top 10sDo you people watch wrestling because you enjoy it or because you wanna brag about the amount of medals they get? lmao, get help lads
aguakun doesn't care if a young, beautiful, and talented girl wants to throw her life away by marrying the dumbest ugliest piece of gomi she could find, so stop mentioning it.
>>12970902Yes. Singular show attendances don't mean all that much in the bigger picture.
>>12967445NOOOOOOOOO IT DIDNT EVEN HAVE FLIPS AND OVERLY CHOREOGRAPHED SPOTS THEY EVEN WORKED A LIMB WHAT THE HECK WRESTLING IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE?WHY DIDNT THEY KICK OUT OF AT LEAST 3 FINISHERS EACH HOW THE HECKIN CRAP CAN THEY CALL THIS A TITLE MATCH?
>>12970931that is not him spamming that Risa Sera thread?
>>12970909it's just one loser who got it all wrong and is coping
>>12970986You just replied to him
>>12967445Another quick refresher,Tokyo Joshi Pro is a sub-division of a group (CyberFight) that is in the red with a 470 million yen deficit.https://catr.jp/companies/277aa/36270They are not a money-making promotion; quite the opposite.They are by definition not a successful promotion because they do not make money.And their pro-wrestlers are not evaluated by Japanese media and fans alike.None of them ranked top 5 in any category in Shupro's Pro Wrestling Grand Prix.None of them ranked even in the "Favorite Wrestler" category which included 50 wrestlers.The only metric this group "mogs" Stardom in is "annoying gaijin fans" (most of whom have pronouns in their SNS bio).
>>12971225translation, Stardom is overrated:Women's Pro Wrestling Grand Prix 2020----------------------------------> 1. Giulia (Stardom)> 2. Yoshiko ( SEAdLINNNG)> 3. Utami Hayashishita (Stardom)> 4. Suzu Suzuki (Ice Ribbon)> 5. Mayu Iwatani (Stardom)> 6. ASUKA (WWE)>7. Saori Anou (Oz Academy)> 8. Sareee (WWE)> 9. Rina Yamashita (Free[doms])> 10. Chairman Kaichou (666/Ice Ribbon)Nobody believes Giiulia is the best joshi wrestler because she is a green girl rookie and her win was obviously bought. She won because Bushiroad spent $1,000,000 for these results.Nobody cares about TJPW yes, but nobody cares about Stardom's Saya Kamikaze either
>>12971370Yeah, what he said was pretty much correct until the gay Shupro shit, nobody gives a fuk about worked rankings, and we all know literally nobody gives a fuk about any joshi more than Asuka, Mayu and Io. Anyone else isn't even nearly close, especially to Asuka who is the most well known, has actual records, has more titles than any Japanese wrestler ever overseas, and is in main events in WWE. I'm not talking about skill, just the facts about their placing, but if we talk about skill the list is still bullshit. But I don't think Stardom paid a mill for the ranking lol.
>>12971370>ASUKAWhat did they mean by this.
Reminder Saori Anou was voted:#7 Joshi MVP#10 MOTY (Men & Women)#33 favorite wrestler and only wrestled 31 times in 2020.
>>12971412what are you talking about?Giulia had 1,357 votes.More than any body else in these polls men & women.They didn't even try to hide that it was a Bushiroad paper job because it is more entertaining to just expose it and expose her.
Some dude made a thread because he liked Rika vs. Miu and this schizo is going all out with pointless data like people give a fuck about how many awards a promotions gets when wrestling is about your level of enjoyment, what a sad loser
>>12971447becuase she's the saikou no galfurendo
>>12971465Bro I don't know what you mean, I said the rankings are most likely worked and then you said >What are you talking about, they're fakeIsn't that pretty much what I said, lol.
>>12971486I don't think ShuPro is working them, but I do believe there was ballot stuffing by Bushiroad who is desperate to prove Giulia is the best joshi wrestler even though anybody with eyes can see she isn't.This story will have legs until she backstabs stardom for WWE
>>12971514I mean the most pushed wrestler in the biggest promotion having the most fans seems more realistic, but sure, the Bushiroad conspiracy makes sense as well.
>>12971553Giulia being joshi MVP by +800 votes but not being ranked in any actual matches by the same fans...makes sense? I think the "2020 of Giulia" will be looked back in amusement,
I thought Japan was racist against hapas?
