>albino rattler editioncont. from: >>4654468This thread is dedicated to all animals of the reptilia and amphibia classes. Topics include, but are not limited to: geckos, snakes of all kinds, frogs, salamanders, newts, turtles, tortoises, and much more. Before asking a question, do a search on the internet to see if it has been answeredClassifieds for finding breeders and products:>morphmarket.com>kingsnake.com>faunaclassifieds.com>reptilescanada.com (Canadian breeders)>caudata.orgMost forums will have a "for sale" section on them, so look for that, especially if you have a specific herp you want. Craigslist can also be a good source for cheap aquariums, and make sure to check for any reptile expos that occur in your area.When asking a question, make sure to include these details:>Type and size of animal>Enclosure dimensions>Humidity and temperature>Type of substrate>The decor you use>How often you feed>The type of food you use>If your animal is wild caught or captive bred>How often you handle>Who you bought the animal fromOther Helpful Resourceswww.blackjungleterrariumsupply.comwww.joshsfrogs.comhttp://www.reptilesmagazine.comhttp://www.anapsid.orghttp://www.hylid.clara.co.uk/caer.htmhttps://www.americanmadeexotics.com/breeding-ball-pythons-article.htmlhttp://blogs.thatpetplace.com/thatreptileblog/
>>4670859>trying to figure out how to personally import some rare species from Europe next time I go>American side of things is easy enough, FWS people told me everything I need>European side is a complete clusterfuck with declaring them at borders, getting export permits from the country where the airport is in, etcFuck I wish I was born 30 years ago when this was all so much easier
>>4670859How does one go about refrigerating a tortoise for hibernation? I'm asking for a friend. I have had red eared sliders myself before but they never needed to hibernate because they were largely aquatic.But for a tortoise, what do you do?
>>4670859When I was at the expo a few weeks back someone had some rattlers for sale and either was displaying or rehoming an adult. Some zoomies were crowding around the tank tanking pictures and you could very clearly see the snake was eyeballing one of them. You know how people say they can see that "there's something behind the eyes" of monitor lizards? I'm now pretty convinced the same goes for rattlesnakes, that motherfucker was CLEARLY aware that there were people looking at him, and he was looking at them, and was slightly annoyed at the attention frankly. It was almost enough to make me want one.
>>4670869depends on the species. the larger bois are from a perennially hot area so they just DON'T, other are buried for half a year. best to check with other trusted keepers of that particular species.
>>4670874I don't know what species it is. It's in the pic I posted. I'll ask my friend to take one that's closer.
>>4670874>other are buried for half a year.>>4670869>>4670859How would one even do this? Do you put the tortoise in dirt and then the fridge? Can you tell me how to do this? Do I wrap the tortoise up in anyting?
>>4670877i meant "buried for half a year" in nature. Again I cant speak to the exact numbers but I imagine it works like most other reptiles>stop feeding them for a time to empty their digestive tract because if their metabolic functions go into standby mode with food in their stomachs it will rot inside them and they'll die because their immune system is ALSO on standby>stop offering heat for a bit and have them cool down a bit>cool them down further>stick in wine chiller or a fridge that can maintain a cool but NOT super cold temperature, check on them briefly to make sure they're not dying and to cycle the air in the chiller>remove after a set period of time, gradually warm to room temp, gradually get up to normal temp after that
>>4670875Looks like a brown recluse
>>4670875North American corner tortoise
>>4670904>brown recluseIsn't this a spider?>>4670908Looked it up, said it was the biggest tortoise species in N. America, but I don't think my friend's one is that big.>>4670901Thank you! Can you tell me what type of container you use for the tortoise? How do you check the temperature change? Do you use infrared? How do you check up on them to see if they are still alive? How could you tell ? Thanks everyone!
We could've had it all, man. Leachies just aren't the same.
>>4670868>European side is a complete clusterfuck.Ftfy
>>4670859Guys, I need some advice.>Be me, Have Ball Python for 16 years.>Passed away recently.>She had fertilized eggs & they hatched.>Looking after the babies but realising I can't look after them all if they grow up to the same size.>Also, realise that it will be easier to rehome them now instead of when they are older.>Kind of difficult to let go of them because they are family.What do I do? Do I let go now?
>>4671137you know the solution, you're just too afraid to admit it.
>>4671137Hold back one or two you really like, find good homes for the rest, making sure the people youre selling to arent shitbags and actually know what theyre doing and will give them a good life.Ezpz.
>>4671141The path of darkness...
>>4671171the rack side of husbandry is a pathway to some abilities some consider to be unnatural.
Best Box Turtle?
I'm really debating it, I want to save him and my dad thinks I should. At this point Petco isn't making any money from it anyway if I do.
>>4671331Forgot pic
>>4671335Do it. If you don't he'll die.
>>4671312Cuora flavomarginata is the best box turtle.
King Rat did not want to eat for some reason, Its been a week but no matter what I tired he didnt take. I fed it to my skink who also didn't want to eat it at first but after getting a bite she was happy and ate it. I'll try again in a few days.
Who here has personally imported from Mexico/Latino America?? Inverts and Herps. Not taking anything wild-caught, just in case I find anything cool from hobbyists over there
>>4670869hyp phase is dangerous, tortis have the tendency to die during hyp phase. so make sure to know what you do there.take a small refrig. make sure its a kind of frig which doesnt create much over- and underpressure while opening and closing (this might damage the lungs or even kill your torti), you can avoid that by placing a small pipe inbetween the seal (frig and frigdoor) for a better air pressure exchange. wait until your torti sits in its place calm and sleepy for a few days to be sure that it really wants to hyper now.lets talk about its hyp place. take a big enough plastic box. use "poor" soil, unfertilized soil, for the bedding because fertilizer soil can inflict shell inflamation on their bellies normal earth from the garden is best. dont use hey or similar because it will rot or become moldy. your torti will dick into the soil by itself. use dry leafs as a top cover.water the top of the leafs of your torti from time to time (once every 1 or 2 weeks) with a sprayer to keep the torti hydrated, dont overdo it, dont shower it. too much water on a shell can lead to shellrot. check on your torti weekly (quick check if everything is ok) and weight it once a month. it shouldnt lose to much weight (good are 5% weight loss, max. 10% of its weight during their entire hyper phase, keep therefor track of it!) if it loses too much weight then you can always interupt the hyp phase! your torti might be sick or might has parasites. now you can keep the torti in the fridg until spring. you end it by turning off the fridg, wait for 1 day or 3, then you can place it in its box in a cool room and let it wake up. now you can let it into its enviroment its used to. make sure you'll give your little buddy a warm bath a bit later so he can as much hydration as he needs.
>>4670913>>4670913use a plastic box which is big enough to gurantee some movement (the torti can still chance its position from). tortis still react if you touch them while being in hyp phase, but their reaction is slow and delayed.use a multimeter to check the temp, these usually have a temp probe aswell. no infrared. best temps is somewhere between 4°C and 6°C , 8°C is still acceptable.you can always buy a book about it to know even more
>>4671331>buy him, and they'll replace him with a new gecko, repeating the cycle>dont buy him and they'll STILL replace him with a new gecko but you'll not have one and his fate is probably sealedYour decision whether or not to perpetuate this shitty practice isn't the fucking fulcrum of a sea change of animal welfare and in the long run will probably effect basically nothing and no one but you and that particular gecko, so if you really want to, go for it. Donate to a reptile rescue or something later if you feel it necessary to offset your karmic debt or whatever.
>>4671335This anon >>4671397 , though abrasive, is unfortunately right. If you want to improve the life of THAT gecko, go ahead, it's a nice thing to want to do. >>4671389You can only hope that another kind herpfag sees his replacement and decides the same thing.
>>4671399Disregard that last reply, I'm a phone poster and I suck cocks.
>>4671399>>4671397>>4671331like nearly three hours later but I had shit to do soThis whole exchange had me thinking for a bit about the whole big box petstore reptile situation, and how the accepted wisdom is "dont buy from them, even to rescue an animal, otherwise you're perpetuating the shitty keeping they do." But here's the thing:1) if people refuse to buy from the big box pet store because they care about animal welfare, the only people buying from them are people who DO NOT care about animal welfare2) people that care about animal welfare aren't their target demographic anyway, it's the clueless dipshits.So a boycott from people who wouldn't really be buying from them in the first place does nothing to help, proper education and training would, but even if every store had perfect husbandry and took the time to sell the right shit for the animals, the dipshits STILL EXIST ANYWAY and are just going to maltreat and kill their animals. Even if they stopped selling reptiles altogether the dipshits would just get them from a mom and pop shop, so apart from a small percentage of customers they manage to educate and correct, the number animals getting neglected by morons stays more or less the same.In the end I feel like the whole issue thing is just another thing used by people online to feel superior over others. In areas that arent here (facebook, reddit) most people trying to correct others is done in a condemning sense rather than an attempt to educate - pic related.I dont know why in particular it's different here, maybe the anonymity aspect makes trying to grandstand pointless. Fuck, even with hoarderanon we only really switched to ridicule once it was apparent that he was actively ignoring all of the advice we were trying to give him.
>>4671470motherfucker I went through all that and forgot to attach the pic.
>>4671470several additional hours later I realize I forgot something I wanted to add.There also seems to be some implicit assumption that buying an animal from a big box pet store is inherently worse than buying it from a breeder, but I reject that out of hand. Big box pet stores husbandry is universally shit but we know for a fucking FACT that there are breeders out there that are far, far worse, and we ALSO know for a fact that some are just flat out liars, selling sick/dying animals or ones that aren't properly established. In a perfect world I would really only get an animal from someone who knows their shit and whom I can properly vet, if I'm in a petsmart picking up cat treats or some shit, and I get this magical connection to a baby beardie and every fiber in my soul is screaming out at me to GET THIS LITTLE DUDE OUT OF HERE LOOK AT HIM HE NEEDS YOU I wouldnt forsake the tiny little fuck because of something as inconsequential (and honestly pretty fucking ubiquitous) as "this business partakes in certain practices that are maybe not morally sound."
>>4671357Rats usually have a pretty good appetite so might just be settling in. Did you get feeding records from the breeder?
>>4671643Every Tuesday
Bloods seem kind of perfect. Bigger than royals but smaller than boas. What's the catch
>>4671789They're assholes
>>4671789Ever wonder how they got that common name
>>4671789>What's the catchWanna know how I know you haven't googled them yet
>>4671789>Tokay of constrictorsDo it fgt, buy one
>>4671899>o no the big scawy five foot constwictor bit me!! dont be a baby, it won't kill you.
>>4671915 But it will gas you
>>4671915Correct. So you should do it. Post pics of the bite wounds
>>4671915>dont be a baby, it won't kill you.Correct, but it will be a pretty severe puncture wound. Adults will bite through your hand. That being said, Sumatra anon is probably still around, his girl is tame
>>4671562at least pet stores don't even fuck with the types of reptiles i'm interested in so i personally don't even need to be presented with this moral quandary
Bloods are the pitbulls of the snake world. They're angels.
>Look up anything about Burmese Pythons>Full of nothing but Florida Nigger Propaganda
Why are pythons so damn cool
>>4671915>dont be a baby, it won't kill you.No but they have the fastest strike and strongest bite of all constrictors. An adult can break your hand
>>4672208>they have the fastest strike and strongest bite of all constrictors.>do you have a single fact to back that up.jpg
im sorry clint but i need to unfollow you. i cannot stand the AI childrens entertainment content. I get that he ran out of readily available herps to review a long time ago but there were so many better things he could have done with that channel. Deep dives, updates, general hobby news, research paper analysis, literally almost anything but>WOW LOOK AT THESE PHYLOGENETICS SUPER CRAZY HUH? BIRDS ARE REPTILES BETCHA DIDN'T KNOW THAT WACKY FACTOID!! xD!>I DEBATE A CHATBOTliterally every reptile youtuber is terrible. i am sorry for ever complaining about fishtube, it absolutely crushes this trash despite its problems.
>>4672356>literally every reptile youtuber is terriblebe the change you want to see in the world
>KCJFS Beardie diedThis is live prison time shit, He didnt even attempt to take care of it.
Tfw showing my fat goth cousin my reptiles at Thanksgiving while trying hard to ignore the sexual tension
Why is it always the best reptiles that never have care guides or very few of them?
>>4672356Gotta get that youtube algo and make braindead content
>>4672567Kek
>>4672573You usin bing or something?
>>4672564did you have a seizure when you posted this shit or is that random glob of consonants supposed to be the name of a person?
Little dude eats and shits and sheds like a champ but spends 99% of his time in the warm hide and is shy as fuck. It's still his 1st week, so I guess that's normal
>>4672596Well then it's decidedI'm going to start a wildlife YouTube channel where I herp around and am not a complete faggot
>>4672722FREE HIM
>>4672744What, and deprive him of his paycheck? Let the guy do his job.
>>4672722>rhino iggyI've heard of having horny things ON your computer, not in it!
>>4672738Call it GoHerping.
>>4672768>look at his channel after not seeing it for years>last two dozen videos are just random vlogs that have nothing to do with herpsWhen will people realize that the only way you will be succesful doing vlogs is if you have a pretty face to look at or do interesting things. Nobody gives a shit about your average life.
>>4672768actuallygoingherping would be a funny title name
>>4672659>It's still his 1st week, so I guess that's normalYep. Eating already is great.
>>4672782I'll call it GoDerping because I literally have no idea what I'm doing and will probably get lost in the woods and or attacked by a goose
>>4672792Be like fishinggarett but instead of yoinking things, you get yoinked.
another day, another retard from reddit
>>4672812>the one broken chrysalisI'm now imagining Alien, but with a single beetle and a redditor.
>>4672812It's the shrimp from instant Ramen cups
>>4672564He did attempt, he's just a retard and someone gave it to him iirc, he never should have been given anything to depend on him to care because he has the mental maturity of a child and we all know what happens to the typical child's first pet bearded dragon. People out there acting like he's the second coming of hitler for it when millions of people are buying and breeding reptiles as disposable pets. >>4672781he was under the illusion that he was big or entertaining enough to make the leap from special interest video creator to surrogate parasocial friendship variety streamer. Needless to say, he was not. I'm kinda glad his channel died though because I hated looking at his ambien'd out lazysmug mulatto zoomer face.
>>4672812Why do so many people there reply as if they didn't read any of the comments?
>>4673014Because they probably didnt, either because of their own desire to show they know stuff or just to go. "Ooh ooh me too I know stuff give me updoots"
>>4672805I told my mom I was going to make this wildlife Channel and she said "a stupid idea like that will probably get a million views" :/
>>4673046For true algorithmic fuckery post a short every time you flip a rock and find something, and give a few fun facts about whatever it is, then point towards the larger video of the whole trip.
>>4673072Back when I was a kid before the town became soulless and replaced the curbs with long strips of concrete, the curb was individual bricks and many of them had come looseThose were the best times of my life flipping those bad boys over and seeing all the stuff in there
remember that time they tried to make scaleless hognoses?
>>4670859Is there anything different you need to do with super giant leopard geckos other than more food/supplements and a larger enclosure?
>>4673492Nope. Same care.
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/biologists-adopt-axolotl-campaign/>throw some Ambystoma mutts into artificial habitats>call it conservation and beg for donationsKek, what a scam. Normalfags will probably eat that shit up though because of le heckin wholesome meme axolotls.
>>4673821im still planing to release a few of my young axolotl or eggs (theyre tested for chytrid) into a bavarian mountain lake just to troll the faggy "enviromentalists" in germany but i cant find one that has no fish or newts.
>>4673954Devilish introduction of invasive species is fun. Personally I support the Florida thunderdome.
>>4673821don't forget they're tasty
>>4673954>but i cant find one that has no fishBlame troutfags for that>OMG is that a cold body of water? Oh God... I need to STOOOOOOOOOOOCK>spends thousands of dollars to farm and stock fish that die the second the water gets a little too warm
>>4673954based
Instead of a koi pond would an axolotl pond make sense?
>>4674204If you can keep it cold
>>4674219How cold? Can I release some in the catskills?
>>4674236Winters would be problematic. Axolotls don't want temps below 50° for extended periods.
>>4674250Finicky little buggers
fish anon hereI worry a lot about retards overegulating shit in the future, however fish people are relatively safe from regulations, so its hard to find any people who realize the problem. I know you guys are on the front of this battlefield right now. Can someone give me the scoop on the politics of this? Are we all going to be fucked eventually? Is there any way to stop exotic pet keeping from being regulated out of existence?
>>4674290>however fish people are relatively safe from regulations, so its hard to find any people who realize the problem.Talk to saltwater people. We discuss this all the time as there are bans being levied and lifted constantly, even though the hobby industry has zero effect on the ecosystem unlike commercial fishing, industrial waste, and tourism.
>>4674290Well there's already a lot of regulations but they're in the countries where the fish are caught, mostly South America. That's why certain fish like stingrays, plecos, knifefish, aren't imported anymore and why the industry has moved to southeast Asia. The only regulation in the state side of things is for invasive species control. They federally banned a couple species of fish in 2016 and now some states it's illegal to have weather loaches for example.
>>4674472This loach is beyond reproach
>>4674576
At first I was like
>>4674806but then I
is there any issue just gutloading my roaches with duckweed and aquatic plant trimmings? it seems to work really well for keeping them alive, i just add a hearty pinch of duckweed every time i feed roaches to my lizard. I don't remove the old duckweed. I buy roaches about once every other month and only had a few casualties that i suspect were due to bad molts. it seems like the plants handle both nutrition and hydration.
>>4674981probably fine, turns out duckweed is secretly full of nutrients, like many other "trash" weedsbut variety is always best
>>4674290>Is there any way to stop exotic pet keeping from being regulated out of existence?No because they can just lie and say any given exotic animal is carrying a heckin super dangerous and contagious disease caused by a virus/parasite/fungus.
>>4674981Probably doesn't give much calcium, but duckweed is shockingly high protein. I'd still dust the roaches when you feed the herp, but if you're keeping the roaches alive short term as feeders rather than a colony, duckweed will definitely keep them fed.
Still feels not big enough
>>4675268is there any way to expose the lies? Or do we just have for americain politics to reach critical mass and pendulum swing to hard libertarian freedom flavor so we can convince them to clean our hobby's legislation up while they are jerking off their guns
>>4675788pearl clutching about invasives is exactly what rightoids want to do because it allows them to blame someone or something else for destroying the environment that they are the ones actually destroying via overconsumption and bad agricultural/land management practices as well as the mass destruction of apex predators. invasive species can rarely establish in a well developed ecosystem. Yeah they can really fuck over islands but the main reason invasives are able to do anything in North America is that there are so many manmade open ecological niches. But confronting that is much harder than going out with billybob and making fake youtube videos about catching and killing wild invasive snakes.Leftoid delusions are a little different but they get off to banning people from doing things they enjoy so they'll go along with it even if they realize that the pet trade is fundamentally not what it was in the 90s and isn't that big of a problem. It's politically pretty weak though because lizard and fish people are weirdos and its a small fry industry compared to shit that perceives it as a threat like big ag.
>>4676082I know this is whataboutism. But I have trouble believing invasive aren't a huge issue, I live in northeastern US and have watched entire forests get destroyed by a fucking beetle. Granted, temperate forests aren't exactly the most productive ecosystems, but it's what this region's biosphere is largely based around.
>>4676082Xir reddit is that way
>>4676082>making fake youtube videos about catching and killing wild invasive snakesWe have these non native lizards where I live (Ohio) that have been here for 50+ years, there's no other native lizards and we still have faggots saying we need to kill them and stop their spread even though they are literally harmless.I fully believe that thing about a lot of people being secret psychopaths who want an excuse to kill something, and introduced species are the perfect victims because nobody cares about them. You saw what happened with lanternflies the last few years.
>>4676299>I fully believe that thing about a lot of people being secret psychopaths who want an excuse to kill somethingThats not even something you need to have beliefs about, that shit's just readily apparent.
>>4676237Just as when someone claims to care about the environment but rejects nuclear energy you know you can disregard anything they have to sayIf someone says they care about invasive species but isn't willing to go full 1934 against cats you can just ignore them, they aren't serious about what they say
>>4676309>be Apex predator>live IN A SOCIETY>no outlet for the violence that allowe your ancestors to conquer the planet>someone offers you an outlet on an animal (socially unflavored)>GRUG SMASHSeems pretty reasonable
>>4676299You don't have fence lizards or skinks in Ohio?
>>4675788Bioterrorism. Start releasing burms and tegus everywhere until they listen.>>4676299>You saw what happened with lanternflies the last few years.I didn't actually. Qrd?
>>4676324Oh yeah, the west has lacked an enemy it was socially acceptable to vent our more sadistic/violent tendencies on since the iron curtain fell. Why do you think people got such a fucking boner for zombies? They're humans you dont have to feel bad for slaughtering en masse. These days its mostly pedos and people who are cruel to animals, just take a look at any social media post about them to see people whipping themselves up into a murderous frenzy for whats effectively a completely hypothetical enemy. >this guy in half a world away strangeld puppies and put it on the internet??? He should have the flesh flensed from his skull and be forced to eat his own face while he gets sodomized by a bull elephant, then they should grind him up and the FEED HIM TO PUPPIES. FUCK THAT GUY.Had those same people been born 80 years ago they'd be passing out sandwiches and soda at a lynching.
>>4676348I should have clarified I mean within the city limits. The wall lizards don't like wooded areas like skinks and fence lizards do so they stay on manmade structures.>>4676356Lanternflies were public enemy #1 and normies were encouraged to go kill as many as possible. Just imagine a bunch of grown men looking for bugs to stomp on because the government and media told them to do it.
>>4676396>Lanternflies were public enemy #1 and normies were encouraged to go kill as many as possible. Just imagine a bunch of grown men looking for bugs to stomp on because the government and media told them to do it.Kek. Reminds me of Mao's war on the sparrows
Sorry for pic for ants but>Snake didnt eat last week>No big deal just wait one more week>Today comes>Thaw out fuzzy>Same size he ate the first time>Put it on tongs and dangle it in front of him>He's doing his head wiggling and actually vocalizes a bit>Dope>Goes for the strike>Gets the mouse and also some dirt>Drops the mouse and shakes his head>Darts off to his hide>Chase him down and grab him>Most of the dirt fell out except in the corner of his lip he still has some>Try to rub it out with the tip of my finger>No luck >Whatever I'll just keep going with the mouse>He wont fucking take it>Try for another 10 minutes>Refuses to eat>Walks over the mouse to climb onto my arm to scale meGod damnit I'm going crazy Pic related is him squirming.
>>4676396I bet it's the same for a lot of the introduced lizards in Florida. I've never seen videos of curly tailed lizards or house geckos in the wild.
>>4676416>snake fucks up grab >gets snatched up and manhandled>is now stressed out and wont do that thing that is literally makes them the .ost vulnerable they can possibly be>WHY HAPEN :(((((You made a tense situation (oh fuck I hope I can eat this animal) a million times worse. No shit he's not eating.Additionally thats a pinky, not a fuzzy. Also it might be a good idea to put a plate down or something so when he grabs for it he doesnt end up with a mouthful of substrate (which even by itself isnt THAT bad, looks like cocoa coir which he'll just pass no problem.)Put a little plate deli cup lid in NOW so they can get used to it being there, and try again tomorrow.
>>4676424>gets snatched up and manhandledI only did that because he ran away and I got scared he hurt himself
>>4676429Yeah, and it's understandable, but does HE know that? Its a bad time all around, so yeah he's probably not going to want to eat after.Like I said before, try again tomorrow with a small plate or deli cup lid or something, and if he doesnt take it off the tongs, leave it on the plate and just like, leave the room for couple hours.Deli cup lid may be preferred in this case, now that I think of it. they have a straight lip at the edge so if he fucks up and has to chase it around it has a better chance of staying out of the dirt. They ARE kimd of light though, if he's a particularly violent eater he may flip the thing.
>>4676422It basically is. Florida is a thunderdome at this point and a couple extra lizards won't change anything. A lot of them are super localized and rare (like picrelated, Jamaican giant anole) and are just another insignificant part of the ecosystem. If anything we should be grateful you can see wild lizards from all around the world in one place.Really there's no difference between these lizards and garden plants. Both escaped from captivity and spread around and integrated themselves into the local ecosystem. It's just because the former is more obvious it's an "issue". Nobody cares about the artificial jungles made up of Brazillian pepper trees and african grasses and asian ferns, but God forbid there's a new type of lizard there.
I liek turtles :D
>>4676429For future reference it's not a big deal with snakes get some dirt seasoning on their mice. They can pass that just fine. The small plate/deli lid thing works well to reduce that anyway though.
>>4676889This, they don't eat their food off sterile plates in nature, so long as you make sure the substrate you're using is a low impact risk (fine soils/sands/etc.) you'll be good.
>>4677081Forgot to add, also dry your mice off even if you thaw them in a plastic bag if you feed frozen, this helps keep stray particulate from sticking.
