LOBSTERS FEEL PAIN WHEN YOU BOIL THEM.FOR EVERY LOBSTER ADOPTED ON MY WEBSITE I WILL SAVE 1 LOBSTER FROM THE GROCERY STORE AND ITLL LIVE IN MY AQUARIUM UNTIL I RELEASE IT. NO MORE EATING LOBSTER.https://lobsterliberation.org/
>still has the stock text under the donate buttonnice
>>4668198shut up i fixed it literally just now asshole
Sorry anon, but let me teach you something real quick>/co/ hates cartoons>/tv/ hates television>/vt/ hates VtubersNow knowing this what do you think /an/ thinks of animals?
>>4668194Real talk, why don’t we just poke em in the brain real quick before boiling? It seems needlessly cruel. Had the best lobster of my life from a roadside stand in maine a few years back, and the dude was just chucking em into the water alive. These guys were crawling around in the sea only a couple hours ago.>>4668201/an/ likes animals. I almost exclusively eat meat that I or a family member has hunted/farmed themselves because factory farming is evil.
It's a fucking arthropod with a decentralized nervous systemI will consume moreMOREI have the powers of Maine and Massachusetts within me
retarded bait thread
>>4668396go back to boston
>>4668234they still feel pain, and yes this thread is bait but its a nice moment to explain that, lobsters, crabs and crustaceans in general feel pain while being boiled alive, if you kill them prior to that it would be the best option, and no, the myth about "needing to be boiled alive otherwise blabla" is fake as hell, just cruelty. in conclusion anons. eat the crab but kill it before boiling it
>>4668223Diffuse neurons. They don't have a central brain so to instantly dispatch them you have to cut them completely in half in exactly the right spot or you're just hurting them more. Electrocution prior to boiling is probably better.
>>4668194I just wish people would kill them right before boiling. Boiling ANYTHING alive is inhumane beyond belief, to think otherwise just shows how little empathy one truly has.
>>4668450Lobster meat rots extremely quickly. You want them alive right up to the last minute.
>>4668453thats the myth im talking about, thats not true and just made up for the weird fetish that is boiling them alive, remeber that ice and coolers exist.
>>4668450Some girl. Spilt it in half like a pyscho before killing it, either way it’s gonna die but I see your point.
>>4668414Who cares if it feels pain? It’s a lobster. A sea bug.
>>4668194Did you already adopted some lobsters?
>>4668414anything with a nervous system will feel pain
>>4668787What about Echinoderms and Sponges? Do you think they can feel pain?
>>4668450>I just wish people would kill them right before boiling. Boiling ANYTHING alive is inhumane beyond belief, to think otherwise just shows how little empathy one truly has.completely agree. I refuse to eat anywhere that does this anymore. >>4668414they should just flash freeze them like they do with the crabs and lobsters you can buy in the store. has to be better than being boiled alive.>oh but it's better FRESHit's probably better to cut fresh steaks off a living cow too, but humans accept that doing that would be inhumane. Which it is.>>4668603>Who cares if it feels pain? It’s a lobster. A sea bug.I do, and seems like OP and some others here do too.
>>4668792Pain is a very useful response, its existence is a biological imperative that prevents an organism that steers them away from things detrimental to their existence.
>>4668194As a Chinaman once told me, it tastes better if it's still alive while you cook it. So no
>>4668201/threadYou are genuinely, absolutely, unironically better off going to Reddit to talk about animals at this point.
>>4668787>>4669076Yeah but that "pain" could be more of a "move away from this probably-lethal sensory experience", a non-emotional response that is honestly just computer input and output.We have pain, but then we have panic. Our emotional state intensifies the experience because we have far more complicated survival methods. If a bundle of separated ganglia can emulate this, I'd be quite surprised.Buuuut, honestly; >>4668603Sea bug.Whatever. Humans only care if the thing screams when it's hurt.
>>4669091this is factually untrue. pain creates lactic acid which gives meat a bitter flavor. chinks are just dumb savages.
>>4669250Sure, in like, a whitetail deer you botch a shot on, but do crustaceans drown their muscles in "bad tasting pain juice" during boiling?
>>4668201That's why I come to /an/ for cooking tips instead of /ck/.
>>4668194Where were the lobsters when I needed help?
>>4668194I'm really not giving your fucking website my card informationAdopting a lobster sounds cool though
Nice website. I've recently stopped eating lobsters and shrimp.
>>4669248>Humans only care if the thing screams when it's hurt.uhh... I bet a lot of the food you eat screams when it hurts.
>>4669091A real Chinaman would have told you it tastes better if it's still alive while you are eating it.
>>4669496He might be vegetarian.
>>4669535plants release a bunch of hormones when damaged
>>4668450>boiling a tree alive
>>4668490It's not a myth. I've actually run into this problem myself.
>>4668194>60 years later when the lobsters haven't died yet>why did I decide to do something so stupid
>>4668194F9r every lobster you save, I'll buy two from the store to eat. >:]
>>4668194Can I see some pictures of your lobsters or aquarium facilities? Am curious to donate.
>>4668453killing them right before boiling is safe enough retard, it doesn't rot that comically quickly
>>4668194>lobsters feelLobsters have chemical receptors that respond to tissue damage but they have no conscious experience of this unless you count a roomba as a slave subject to great suffering and feel bad for your phone when it runs out of battery
>>4670637So... Same as dogs?
>>4670651Where's your proof that lobsters aren't conscious but dogs are?
>>4670657I'm talking about you thinking dogs and lobsters have the exact same biological response
>>4670662and so do you fag, if i stick a nail to your hand you will probably react in the same way a dog or a lobster will, trying to not have it nailed and feeling the need to not die thanks to that
>>4670769is a lobster psychologically traumatized for the rest of its life after you save it directly from a boiling pot that it reacts with fear every time it hears water boiling?
>>4670770Me when I pretend that only vertebrates have learned behavior
>>4668194There is no proof currently that lobsters feel pain. And if they do, it isn't in any way that we can comprehend. Lobsters regularly rip their own claws and legs off and show no reaction.
>>4670832>Lobsters regularly rip their own claws and legs off and show no reaction.only when in danger and the alternative is death, most animal will gnaw their own legs off to escape, it doesnt mean they dont feel that, it just means that the pain of not dying is better than dying
>>4670647>What is comparative neuroanatomyA lobster is a collection of ganglia. It contains no structures known to give rise to anything resembling a subjective experience of anything. It does not show signs of cognition higher than that of simple robotics, and may soon be fully simulated, classifying the lobster itself as somewhat advanced robotics.Most mammals and archosaurs have limited suffering, because what they can consciously experience is limited in conceptual complexity, time, etc, limited by memory, limited by the lack of language, but they DO suffer. They can suffer pain and suffer just by expecting pain and they can suffer by not getting what they want but they can not suffer through higher means, like they can't conceive of philosophical freedom and complain about their lack of rights so much that they suffer daily knowing they are a serf. That's just us, and loosely, some clever chimps. Very, very few animals show the ability to comprehend death and will only learn of harm via observation if that harm results in signs instinctively associated with harm, like screaming, and the sight/scent of blood, they are that dumb, no idea of death beyond an instinctive aversion to a smell or a sound.Lobsters are even dumber.A human would know something kills no matter how peacefully and silently and avoid it and fight it. They would pre-emptively attempt to destroy it if they knew it existed. Very, very, very few animals are capable of passing this basic sapience test where they show full comprehension and concern of their own mortality and that of others. Humans will even fear unmanned weapons just lying there, regardless of their intelligence, expecting someone might run in and pick them up. A few animals can fear a silent gun, which makes them no more likely to be a P zombie than you, but...Not lobsters.It is not like anything to be a lobster. Might as well ascribe subjectivity to a rock because its state changes when damaged.
>>4668194You're great at parodying the charity ad-copy writing style, Anon.
>>4670994>simple roboticssure anon, thats the same narrative all of the dogfuckers try to sell, my le doggy can feel but nothing else!!
I am so tired of this pain shit. Pain is just a negative stimuli. Humans experience pain all the time. Even then, our perception of pain is a complex construct comprehendible only by humans. It is not be all end all measurement for whether an animal is worthy of a quick release or not. When given an option between being happy while experiencing periods of pain and being deeply unhappy with no pain, any normal ration human being would choose the former.Animals have no concept of deep fulfillment or the lack of thereof.Pain is merely a rudimentary form of inconvenience to them.Especially fucking lobsters, off all things.
>>4671074You're just another brainless redditor that hates dogs for no particular reason but the subconscious awareness that they are associated with marriage, children, and humans (AKA white people).>>4671277All "deep fulfillment" is the moment when you are simultaneously sating your monke social instincts while being blissfully unaware that you are just another fucking monkey. It is a state without higher comprehension, because the moment you realize what's going on, you stop being satisfied. THAT is what it means to be human.The majority of animals can feel and suffer to some degree. They can place themselves in time and space. They do have an experience, probably as much of an experience as the average nigger at any given moment, which means they are aware of a lot but not everything (until it's too late). But it takes some serious abstract thought to ever call a feeling 'JUST' a feeling. No animal or nigger will ever say fedora tipping shit like "feelings are just chemicals and most of my brain is automated, i'm just unlucky enough to have learned to be aware of it". EVER. Being able to say and understand that is the mark of humanity. Being able to say, understand, and not care about that is the mark of adulthood.
>>4668427I'm pretty sure it's really not that hard otherwise I wouldn't have seen just about every fishing guy on youtube doing it with a pair of scissors and showing the lobster die instantly.>>4670994>A human would know something kills no matter how peacefully and silently and avoid it and fight it. They would pre-emptively attempt to destroy it if they knew it existed. Very, very, very few animals are capable of passing this basic sapience testHave you ever been pinched by an angry lobster you fucking retard? Go back to plebbt with this pseud philosophizing that nobody believes except you because you basically made it up.
>>4668194Someone post the gif.C'mon, you know the one.
>>4668194Who tf cares man its a damn lobster lmao. Got tears spilling out for a fucking crab thing lol. Animals rights shit is so gay.
>>4668201but i love animals and the taste of their flesh
>>4671302>All "deep fulfillment" is the moment when you are simultaneously sating your monke social instincts while being blissfully unaware that you are just another fucking monkey.Exactly. Humans, with their insanely complex perception of abstract concepts and ability to think ourselves into misery, are still shallow fucking animals. And you want me to give a shit about what a thing without a real brain feels?Furthermore, getting boiled alive is still a quicker release than the kinds of deaths animals experience in the wild.
Lobsters are psychic.
>>4671592>Dad-a-chum? Dum-a-chum? Ded-a-chek? Did-a-chick?
>>4668201If you are so fucking retarded that you come to /an/ to hate on animals, that's on you.We mostly love animals and plants and living things in general.With the comparisons that you mentioned, I already know you are frequent on those 3 boards, which already discards your opinion.I'm sorry blue boards are not you sikrit club anymore, but not all 4chan is like /vt/ or /pol/, and in case you don't like it, you are free to leave.
>>4668201/an/ likes animals. The problem however is that it tends to like animals a bit TOO much.
yall fucken retarded ngl
>>4672216Get away from my fingers you fucker.
>>4669429Do it. I will mail you a plastic lobster toy and a certificate of adoption
>>4668450>inhumaneYes and? They are not humans you fucking soft faggot.
>>4668194I just demoralize lobsters until they willingly jump into the pot on their own.
>mfw it's highly likely that a few anons fell for this scam
all i know bout lobsters:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VunWdHCjbI8
>>4673361Everybody, or just the lobstrosity simps?
>>4668194Used to watch some dude on YouTube who bought a lobster sold as food and raised it in a tank instead. They do look fucking awesome and it's sad they taste so good.
>>4674868Leon the lobster
I need to go back to Maine and get some proper LOBESTER
>>4676164No, I'm keeping them all.All of them.
>>4668194You’re probably just eating the fucking lobsters too. I have a fishtank and fucking love chowing down on lobster dunked in melted butter. Then, you take the shells and make a lobster stock and make goddamned lobster bisque which is also fucking incredible. Who gives a damn if they feel pain they are absolutely delicious. I eat frois gros too by the way. I’d eat those whole fried baby chicks that the French eat too if that was still a thing. Food is delicious. It is life. You will never ever get my money you jackass.
>>4670989>only when in danger and the alternative is deathNot always. Videos exist of these fuckers just doing it. For no apparent reason.
>>4676164Come to Maine. Our McDonald's sells lobster rolls and they're the bomb.
>>4676612They ran out of things to conquer and are starting to feel desperate
>>4676622And I eat people like you who like to eat stuff like this. I'm a Gourmand gourmand, and yes, you will be boiled alive but only until you are half dead. The remaining parts of your life will be watching as bits and pieces of your flesh and innards are carved piece by piece and traveling down my gullet. Thank you for being my delectable food :)
>>4676980This is an android user mindset.
>>4676992Sorry broham. Linux and Brave; vore time for you.
>>4676995>LinuxNice.I was referencing the sigil of Lucifer on Luna's vest which looks like the Google Play Store logo.>vore time for you.I will let you eat some part of me.
>>4676636>>4676178You don't understand!I must return to Oxford and claim my boiled LOBESTER
>>4668493>Spilt it in half before killing itI'm pretty sure that's the point of splitting it in half and, in fact, is what my parents have always done whenever we've had lobster, either the American ones or the med ones (idk wtf they're called in English; they're both just "lobster" to me)They also clean crabs while still alive, holding the claws with one hand while ripping the shell off with the other and rinsing under running water to clear the gunk out.I, on the other hand, have only ever dropped them into boiling water, both lobster and crab.>>4669248>but then we have panic.I've seen crustaceans exhibit what I would call panicked behaviour, but I might be just anthropomorphising their reaction to having their shell ripped off as described above.
>>4669623sorry your fridge is no longer running. please catch a new one
I thought it was standard to execute the lobster before boiling it these dayslobster is kinda tasteless anyway
>>4668194>they have a set of ganglia, which is a group of neuron cell bodies, throughout their body that contains only a hundred thousand neurons (dogs have 500 million). Their nervous system is similar to that of an insect.I do not care if lobsters feel pain when boiling. They lack anything close to the ability to feel suffering. All their little ganglia are thinking is "get out of this water".
>>4678112>All their little ganglia are thinking is "get out of this water".the same could be said of when you boil political dissidents
>>4678114No, because humans have the brain capacity for suffering. Pain does not equal suffering, only higher-order animals can experience suffering. For lower-order animals, pain is simply a signal to "don't do that again". They don't experience prolongued suffering like humans and apes do. Hell, even dogs lack the ability to suffer. I've seen a dog with a broken leg shake it off and continue on its day. Suffering is not the same as pain.
>>4678174what moves it from "pain" to "suffering" if some dude randomly comes by and blasts you with a steam gun?
>>4678178Pain is simply a signal from your nociceptors. It's meant to keep you from doing that again.Suffering is prolongued mental anguish from pain. We as humans can remember a time when it didn't hurt, and we can ruminate on how much it hurts, and we can wish it didn't hurt. That's suffering. And the fact is that most animals lack the brain power to suffer.
>>4678180let's be real here. if i just rolled up on you in the street and blasted you with a steam cleaner you wouldn't be ruminating on better times, you'd just shout "OUCH, FUCK" and try to escape the steam
>>4678185That's what I'm saying. Pain receptors only get you to move away from the source of the pain. It's the suffering that happens after being blasted by steam that separates us from the animals. Blast a dog with steam, he'll feel pain, but he won't experience prolonged suffering.
>>4678220so are you saying you will have deep philosophical problems if i blast you with a steam cleaner for six or seven minutes
>>4668923>it's probably better to cut fresh steaks off a living cow tooActually it's better to let meat age a bit.
>>4670994>and may soon be fully simulatedBeen done.Google news about xenobots