Do you lament the annihilation of all passenger pigeons? Or did they have it coming?
I don't really care one way or the other. There's plenty of other pigeons and doves.
>the ground would be covered in bird shit over a foot deep when they migratedGood riddance
I lament it only because its used as justifucation for asinine laws and regulations in the name of protection of migratory birds.
I lament the untouched North American continent. The loss of megafauna since the Holocene is painful, but sometimes I wonder what things would have been like with gigantic herds of bison thundering across the plains, endless flocks of passenger pigeons darkening the skies, the cacophany of Carolina parakeets in the forests of the American south, the mighty strength of the California grizzly bear, etc.
>>4526542There were literally billions of them following migration routes established over millions of years of evolution in tune with the great eastern seaboard forests. There's no way it will ever recover from the loss of fertilization and seed dispersal. Eurasian collared doves and starlings can't possibly replace them.
>>4526467Unironically yes I mourn them. They would be one of the greatest wildlife features of the US if they still existed.>>4527267Can they be cloned? Is there any chance of bringing them back?
Lmao imagine if you could just go out with your boys and fund your canned bird meat business with a wild bird until it was extinct, like having a silver mine except it flies over head
>>4526684>Carolina parakeetsWhy did we destroy these parrots... they were so beautiful....
>>4527280>Can they be clonedMaybe, but it wouldn't really act like a passenger pigeon. It'd just a pigeon that looks like a passenger pigeon
>>4527356It is my sincerest hope that we work toward de-extincting them in my lifetime
>>4527359Aren't the migration routes and that stuff hard-wired?
>>4527359That has me wondering--- birds do not naturally know their birdsong until they've heard it. Once they've heard it, they know it, but they will never figure it out on their own.Regarding birdsongs for the passenger pigeon, we have this record, they sort of sounded like this. Would this be enough for a clone to figure it out?
yeah i feel bad for them but i really want to be one of those fellas in the picture. it looks so fun man.
>>4527280It's possible they could be cloned but iirc they were gregarious breeders, like some penguins, so you'd need a huge foundational flock of thousands for it to work. Maybe someday.
They were like a more colorful mourning dove.
>>4527396>birds do not naturally know their birdsong until they've heard itSeagulls ducks and geese seem to.
>>4526467I'm sure Tesla would. That guy even went on to love a Pidgeon.
>>4526467Don't get me wrong, I love animals and nature, but I don't see extinction as this unthinkable tragedy. Aren't something like 99% of all species that existed extinct now? It's a pretty routine phenomenon. An individual species is just a small branch of a huge tree; if it snaps off it doesn't matter because the tree keeps growing.
>>4530943If you snap too many branches at the same time the tree dies, that's what's happening to the planet during the anthropocene
>>4526662>justifucationRetarded brownoid ESL scum don't get to have opinions here.
>>4530956Even if humans were to wipe out everything bigger than an amoeba, it would only be a matter of time until multicellular life emerged once again. 10s or perhaps 100s of millions of years, but inevitable.
>>4530956bet you're one of those faggots that glue themselves to the road to protest climate change because he thinks we're all gonna die in ten years and the planet only has 11 animal species left. I sincerely hope you and your fear mongering lot get some form of cancer, bone cancer preferably.
>>4530986What you're describing happens over the course of millions of years. When humans destroy an environment and drive species to extinction over the course of a couple of generations, or even faster in modern times, they're not following the ways of nature, they're just making Earth not suitable for life. It's very interesting though, how your first response is to wish suffering on people for inconveniencing or potentially making you uncomfortable or introspective.
>>4530994>When humans destroy an environment and drive species to extinction over the course of a couple of generations, or even faster in modern timesRoughly comparable to an asteroid impact, or a supervolcano eruption. The natural world is no stranger to a sudden violent shift in environment. Humans just aren't that special.Also:>he thinks he's talking to 1 person on an anonymous website
>>4531002>he thinks he's talking to 1 person on an anonymous websiteAn anonymous website consistently plagued by phoneposting and samefagging
>>4526467>let them go gracefullyCarlin,Georgeno is my answer
>>4530994>course of millions of yearsyou have no concept of extinction periods>the ways of natureare they also installed for orcas who fucking demolish narwhal, bowhead whale and beluga populations to the point of people fearing for their extinction? were they installed for smilodons who annihilated terror birds once the land bridge connected to South America? humans just out compete everything. we are a product of nature and thus, us driving unfit species to extinction is natural>your first response is to wish suffering on peopleit is and I do. because instead of trying to conserve your native animals and plants in your own garden, you rather go online to cry about muh climate change, which has been going on for 20.000 years since the ice caps started melting and this won't stop now because you don't like it. this very climate change happened so fast that none of the ice age mammals were able to adapt, muscox and saga antelope only survive in the very north and everything else was already in steep decline before humans showed up.I am going to pray to every God and Goddess out there tomorrow to wish cancer upon you specifically. I want you to kill yourself.
>>4531028anon you are so cool and edgy
>>4531028Predictable response as it always is with you people. Like a weasel you hide behind many excuses for indolence. Literally "not my problem" until its at your doorstep encroaching on your "bubble". Except everybody knows that we don't live in bubbles, that in time that'll be all that is left, like worm eaten fruit.
>>4526467I wish we could see their flocks first hand today, they were absolutely fucking immense and would block out the sun for nearly 24 straight hours when all passing by. I know that’s largely impossible due to the extent of Eastern North Americas deforestation, but maybe they could’ve used urban centers instead as places to roost? Idk, just a bit of a bummer, the Iroquois had a bunch of cool myths and legends about them too, like how they had formed a confederation of their own like the Haudenosaunee had, and decided that they would allow humans to hunt and take the youngest/slowest among them during certain times of year so long as they were explicitly respected and shown the appropriate reverence when necessary. Interesting shit, shows that they were enough of a presence and force in the lives of natives to have myths/religious connotations like that
>>4531028Fuck off Chang that rhino horn wil NEVER fix your micropenis
>>4526467>they had it comingWhy? What did they do to deserve being wiped out?
>>4531016The cruelty of man knows no bounds. Maybe we should be the next species to go extinct. Likely enough, considering how often we kill each other.
>seething this much over the truththe clothes you wear and the bed sheets you sleep in are produced in China, Myanmar and Bangladesh. the materials for solar panels and electric car batteries are farmed in Africa and produced in India and China to be shipped all around the world so that you can claim to be eco friendly. every toothbrush you own is made from plastic and will be discarded to end up in the ocean. the electricity to charge your e-scooters with comes from gas.die, fucking double standards having asses. as long as you own and use any of these things you have zero right to complain about climate change