>lives on the planet for millions of years>not a single species out of thousands develop intelligencehow?
>we know they weren't intelligent because... We just do ok!?
>>4307493Same reason fish, amphibians and reptiles that are still around didn’t. They didn’t need to
>monkeys live on planet for millions of years>have the capacity to evolve and develop their intelligence further>choose to stay monkeyit's a chad play if you ask me
>>4307493Evolution tends to make things more efficient, but not necessarily "better". A smarter brain uses more energy, and if the extra brainpower doesn't give enough competitiveness to warrant the cost then it could easily put you at a disadvantage.
>>4307501>>we know they were intelligent because... We just do ok!?
>>4307493Mankind almost got extinct before we developed civilization. Maybe there were some smart dino who wasn’t so lucky. Died out before developing a civilization and becoming widespread. We just never found any fossil since they never were that common to begin with and might have lived in an environment that rarely produces fossils.
>>4307493There's probably a reason why there's no hyper-intelligent aliens crawling all over the galaxy. Maybe a high intelligence means an increased likelihood to go completely extinct.We went from living in caves to walking on the moon in 3000 years. Some of mankind is still living in caves even today. Normally this kind of advancement takes tens of thousands of years to adjust to, we're getting way ahead of ourselves since we're still cavemen only now we have nukes to level entire cities.Maybe life will never be ready for interstellar or intergalactic travel, because technology always advances at an exponential rate, and always reaches a singularity way before the species developing it can hope to be ready for it.
>>4307493>Yup. Dinos definitely did NOT evolve intelligence. Nothing to see here. Let's move on.
>>4307493Millions of years later, if life still exists but we ni longer do, do you think they'll be able to find us and correctly identify we were intelligent? i mean the plastic we'll leave behind is a strong signal, isn't it?
>>4307493They all developed intelligence. What are you talking about?Did you perhaps mean human level intelligence?
>>4307493I thought raptors were supposedly pretty smart? Not that we can ever really know for sure of course
>>4307602>A smarter brain uses more energy, and if the extra brainpower doesn't give enough competitiveness to warrant the cost then it could easily put you at a disadvantageRecently swallowed this blackpill
>>4307493>lives on the planet for millions of yearsTheres your answer
>>4307493Macroevolution is a myth; an ideology LARPing as science.
there could easily have been a species of dinosaur that evolved to use tools like flint axes and spark fires but because so few fossils ever actually get preserved and found we'll never know if that happenedthe only dinosaurs we really know of are the extremely common ones like iguanadon and triceratops which were basically as dumb as cows
>>4307658>3000 yearscivilisation is so so much older than that but I get your point that from the perspective of natural history we're going from throwing rocks to throwing nukes in a blink of an eye
>>4308465so does God make every new species that appears?
>>4308493it's more like 6000 years. 10,000ybp is the max, since that's when agriculture started.
>>4308402Some maniraptorans are presumed to have been social animals (because of the proximity and position of discovered specimens) despite being predatory, which points to them being at least a bit intelligent. They'd only as smart as crows at the absolute most though.
>he thinks "intelligence" is the main goal of evolution
>>4308496Unironically, yes. "Species" are an artificial concept.
Well it helps that we have freely useable upper limbs, and especially disposable thumbs.Allows so much more freedom to use our intelligence to create/manipulate, thereby making evidence of our intelligence. Some dinosaurs certainly could have been even more intelligent than octopuses, dolphins, crows etc. But without any way to manipulate the world for their benefit its gonna be hard to leave evidence behind of your intelligence 65+ million years later.If you put a human intelligence inside a T-Rexs body even in our current environment/society they would struggle, let alone if that T-Rex person had to be the one STARTING society/civilisation.
>be crow>browse /an/>witness blasphemy upon my kin’s superior intelligenceAnon. I will shit on your car. You will never get crussy like me.
Without hands or something that can work as hands there's a sort intelligence "ceiling" in evolution. Because at some point the benefits of intelligence just become increasingly marginal compared to other aspects.
>>4307493>birds arent intelligent
>>4308694>he cant just throw away his old ones when they get damaged, and grow new ones.
>>4307493modern birds can be pretty darn smart, I don't think it'd be too out of the question if at least some dinosaurs had reached that level
>>4308748compared to humans or some insects no
>>4308694>he doesnt know what thumbs up supposed to do
>>4309281Hows he gonna build a machine with that
>>4307493IN REAL LIFE THE RETARD GETS THE GIRL CHAD
>>4307493Intelligence is relative.-can recognize a male, female or juvenile from scent and appearance-can estimate the strength of a rival-can remember who is dominant or submissive to them-can read body language and decipher vocalizations-can recognize it’s main predators-can determine which prey animal is most vulnerable-can judge if terrain is too dangerous to walk on and risk falling-chooses best nesting site by multiple factors-avoids eating own offspringSmaller theropods/dromaeosaurs in mesopredator niches may have reached the intelligence of crows with complex understandings of things like skirting around predators to scavenge food, or the concept of being seen hiding something from another animal that would like to steal it. The limiting factor is that the sort of heavy natural weapons and armor they had would have made them very comfortable at a static level of brainpower. What factor could have pushed them further? What makes dolphins, ravens, elephants and parrots so intelligent? Dexterity and the need to identify, select and manipulate objects from a distance maybe?
>>4307493Firstly, intelligence would have had to provide a greater advantage over lack of intelligence combined with tight competition. Natural selection might have simply not favored intelligence in dinos because their strength is all they need.Also, behavior that we can perceive as intelligent is not just an evolutionary thing. The capacity for our brains to learn and solve problems is a result of evolution, but all our rapid advancements in philosophy, logic, and everything else were a result of how our societies began and changed over time. Written language and math, for example, were only invented for agricultural management. Philosophy and astronomy resulted from social hierarchy which resulted from surplus of crops and settlement of cities. So, let’s say there were dinosaurs that were just as intelligent as us. We wouldn’t have a good way of knowing because they haven’t left cave drawings or mathematical equations or dino tools behind. Think of all the birds on the planet that showcase impressive problem-solving skills, but they aren’t out there creating cities:https://youtu.be/ymkT_C_NWXwHigh intelligence is already a rare trait in the animal kingdom, but what’s even more rare are the environmental pressures and behavioral characteristics that ultimately lead to the rise of civilization.
>>4307606you still need to prove or unprove the other statement.there is no data, therefore there is no reason to accept his or your statement
>>4307493who knows maybe there was a tribe of intelligent dinos who are forever lost to time because they didn’t fossilize. also mammalian brains are shit tier.
>>4307493Intelligence isn't some idealized goal that evolution aims for. Brains cost a lot of food to run, and mother nature is a penny pincher.
>>4309907surface area is the only thing that matters with brains
>>4307658This is correct. Industrialization is the Great Filter of Fermi's Paradox
>>4308402Nah not really. That's just a JP thing. Troodontids may have been on par with some of the dumber birds of today but that's it.
>>4308490>there could easily have been a species of dinosaur that evolved to use tools like flint axes and spark fires but because so few fossils ever actually get preserved and found we'll never know if that happenedstone tools have a nearly 100% chance of fossilizing and being found, so noyou're retarded.
>>4309981>Industrialization is the Great Filter of Fermi's Paradoxso every intelligent species in the universe both saw its impending demise and somehow failed to avoid it despite knowing exactly how?The thing that silences intelligent societies is something you haven't even begun to suspect because you have not yet advanced to the point of seeing it. By the time you do see it, it will be unavoidable.singularity is easily avoided. Any technology is.
>>4308351Makes no sense to assume that they would even have a concept of intelligence, which is an artificial anthropocentric concept
>>4308511Why did he create so many nearly identical little beetles all over the world? Is he some sort of freak?
>>4308402source -Jurassic Park
>>4309089>modern birds can be pretty darn smartsure they can bird brain
>>4310100same need all over the worldwhy so many nearly identical hammersand...DUH
>>4310099since intelligence is the concept of being able to have concepts, any creature capable of concepts would have a concept of concepts.this should be obvious to any intelligent person, but you are neither intelligent or a person.
>>4310178>why did he make butterflies so beautiful?>for the enjoyment of humanity>why did he make beetles so ugly?>....godfags are stupid.
>>4310180>intelligence is the concept of being able to have conceptsThat's abstraction, not intelligence.
>>4310182>inb4 someone posts colorful exotic beetlesThose are not the average, this is. Basically a tiny flying hamster turd.
>>4310195how is that supposed to look uglyeven if you don't find the shape of it nice, he's got a nice blue hue
>>4310248There are thousands of beetle species that look like this and they're all about 1mm long. If animals were designed by someone with aesthetic sensibilities he would have to be either extremely lazy or an extreme sperg to come up with something like this
>>4307509>mollusks develop intelligence>insects develop collective intelligence>even fucking rodents develop intelligence
>>4310193>That's abstraction, not intelligence.is it?what do you propose to be the difference?
>>4310289mate, god turned someone into salt for turning around, he prevented moses from entering the promised land because he hit a rock instead of talking to it, god is so ineffectual that the israelites resorted to worshipping golden calf after 40 days; looking through the bible, its really just a document of gods attempts at fucking around with the human race
>>4310289well i'm not religious personally, i mean maybe god exists maybe he doesn't maybe he's an asshat who sees us like we see ants maybe not but it doesn't matter rnthe point i'm tryin to make is that the color of that beetle is nice and you should get your eyes checked for colorblindness if you think otherwise
>>4310617There is no proof for any of that, but the the world is certainly teeming with tiny insects to this day
>>4309904Tripcode faggotry. We have points of evidence that inform us on, and define, intelligence (humans). Why are you such a dumb nigger, anon?
>>4310328Let's go find the great mollusk cities under the ocean or the giant rat metropolis in the new york sewers. Just because something is intelligent doesn't mean it can actively change the world around it and that shouldn't be a measure of intelligence
>>4307493They didn't have to, the fact we got so big braned is an exception to the rule of evolution
>>4308499Gobleki tepe?I’d say at least 12,000 years of civilization
>>4310084Are these tools or just rocks?
>>4310933>Are these tools or just rocks?yes, clearly.luckily for us, dinosaurs are found in sediments that almost never contain any confusing broken flint flakes. This is because of fluvial classification of sediments as well as smoothing.
>>4307555thats not how it works
>>4308511take that cringe shit meme to reddit or facebook
>>4308661and I have enough dexterity and intellect to exterminate your entire group
>>4309912this, life's ultimate goal is to keep the energy transformation cycle going on indefinitely, doesnt matter how
>>4307493'cause intelligence takes a lot of time to evolve. Cretaceoua mammals were retarded, too.
>>4307493They could have, but how would you know? Only the smallest handfuls of animals get lucky enough to fossilize, we're also shit out of luck if they didn't reach any milestones before extinction happened. Human level intelligence could have happened many times but got super cucked every time. It wouldn't be a crazy assumption either, considering all the failed hominds we keep finding.
>>4310089I personally believe there’s space faring civilizations even in our own galaxy it’s just that intelligent life is so rare that then you have to factor in the fact that most intelligent life either gets destroyed or destroys it’s self before it gets to that point. They’re would be very few of them if there’s even more than one.
>>4310926>Gobleki tepealready debunked
>>4307493Would we even know if they had? I'm being serious, how could we even find out. They say if we all went extinct right now there will be a layer of plastic in the layers of rock, but what if they didn't make it that far. What if they only made it to something like the Stone or Bronze Age? The only things I can figure is that maybe you would find evidence on the bones of their prey/livestock that would show evidence of tool usage, but who is to say whether or not we would figure it out.
>>4311026>yes, clearly.One side are ancient tools, the other are just broken rocks that were never used by any animal for any purpose.
>>4308694Imagine not regularly replacing your thumbs. Are you seriously still using the ones you were born with? lmfao
>>4314955yes that's what I saidthey are clearly tools or just rocks
>>4307606>>>we know they were intelligent because... We just do ok!?