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Previous >>4242708

The other thread was on page 10 edition.

Discuss anything aquarium related here, including inhabitants, decor, and issues. Before asking questions in this thread, make sure you give us at least some details when asking a question, such as:

>Tank size (include dimensions, not just volume)
>Parameters (ammonia, nitrate, nitrite, pH, GH, KH)
>Any inhabitants + how long you've had them
>Pictures are always helpful

Tank Cycling:
>www.modestfish.com/how-to-cycle-your-aquarium/

Stocking and Water Change Calculator:
>www.aqadvisor.com/AqAdvisor.php
>www.hamzasreef.com/Contents/Calculators/EffectiveWaterChange.php

Articles and Care Guides:
>www.seriouslyfish.com/knowledge-base/
>www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/
>www.theaquariumwiki.com/wiki/

Aquatic Plant Database:
>www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/plantfinder/all.php
>www.flowgrow.de/db/aquaticplants

Saltwater shit:
>brs 5 minute guides
>https://youtu.be/AlUv9SRB_g8 [Embed] [Embed]
>https://reefbuilders.com/reef-tank-setup/
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A couple are big enough to discern their scales now.
The disparity between smaller and larger fry now is impressive.
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Thinking about going back to dwarf cichlids, what's the nicest apisto or similar /aq/?
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thread was already up

>>4251863
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Sorry buddy, prawn gets the general.
That's how it works.
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Please help /aq/. How many other small fish can comfortably live with a betta in a 10gal, and what are the best species for this? Google has been unreliable so far. I like cories and other catfish, would they be ok?
Just please no shrimp. It's not that I don't like them, it's that my city's water hardness is wrong for them and I can't watch them die anymore.
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>>4253715
I think a 10gal might be small for a single betta, to be entirely honest. A lot of what I see people talk about is how many people underestimate the size tank necessary for them. I am rather inexperienced, so perhaps someone more experienced can chime in. (The other thread seems to be more active right now.)
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Is fish venom necrotic? Im hoping this girl is sick after getting stung by my baby Bullrout, otherwise it means i have a medication resistant version of finrot
>>4253715
i was able to keep a betta with a small school of about 5 or 6 cories, make sure to get some sinking pellets so the retard doesn't eat all their food
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>>4254055
I've been keeping bettas in a planted 5gal all my life and they've always been very happy healthy fish.
>inb4 le 100 000 gallons meme
I honestly don't know, I just have my experience.
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>>4254055
a 5 gallon is fine for your Petco/Petsmart mass produced Betta "splendens" mutt. The whole 10 gallon tank or larger meme is from people parroting >betta moms on FB and reddit.
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>>4253715
>>4254055
>>4255019
>>4255053
I think 5G is alright but it's a terrible idea for new people, and not because of the larger tank = easier to maintain meme. It's because people new to the hobby are like 99.9999999% likely to want to stuff the shit out of that tank with more fish.

Back to the question though, I've personally kept Galaxy Rasboras in a 10G and a betta, in a hexagon style tank. However, my betta was pretty chill so there was no food aggression issues. Dario dario might be cool too, depending on your betta's temperament.
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Hi friends. I've been trying and failing for over a year to keep a colony of guppies. They're simply too inbred and never do well. I've burned through over a hundred dollars buying fish from various places and despite excellent husbandry they always fucking die. Fuck this shit.

Are endlers hardy or are they shit-tier genelets as well? Where do I get endlers?

Any recommendations of similar small prolific breeders?
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>>4255774
Guppys It has 23 cromossomos, Just like us.
How many generations humans can inbreed when they start to have problems?

One
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>another feeding
>another day where the betta steals all the food again
im losing it bros
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This general has been super dead lately. Did we have that many tourist aquarists during COVID?
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>>4253715
>my city's water hardness is wrong for them
But that's not a problem after you filter the water, is it? You're not just mixing some conditioner into tapwater and calling it a day, r-right, anon?
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>Decide to finally raise my clownfish's eggs
>The make it through meta
>Almost no deaths
>Only lost 5 on day one and another 5 on day 5 (when I was low on rotifers)
>Day 15
>They all start trying to kill each other
>Found two dead at the bottom of the tank
>Their lifeless already look like miniature clownfish
Why can't they just be nice?
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>>4256947
The OP of the current general was retarded and didn’t name the thread just migrate there
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>>4252324
I got two fish that look like theyre fighting but neither are showing signs of stress or are hiding. They'll chase each other around for a few seconds and they'll swim up and briefly show their bellies before going back to normal. No idea if this is fighting, theres also no sign of damage on either fish.
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>>4257613
At least share what kind of fish
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>>4257613
Do they nip each other? My celestial pearl danios chase each other around like that sometimes, but they don't nip
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>>4257616
Sorry. One of these guys. Got it from the "ez-mode" "goes with everything" section at the pet store. I'm afriad they might be the same sex unless theres very little sexual dimorphism between the species genders.
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>>4257619
Like I said. I dont see any damage on their fins + one doesnt hide from the other + They both eat vigorously when its feeding time. Their currently just chilling rn.
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My baby clowns are doing well.
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>>4254978
It's a case by case basis but most bettas are assholes (I say this as someone who' favorite fish are bettas). You can find individual bettas that are chill but 9 times out of 10 they will attack other fish and can be especially vicious towards shrimp. All betta splendens came from a single breeding stock of some Chinese emperor who bred them specifically for aggression. You might have better luck with wild betta species but for some random you got from petco it's always going to be a huge gamble with the lives and well being of your other fish.
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>>4258481
This video is a perfect example of a betta named Dante who exhibits all the most annoying of their behaviors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9DItFtxwW4

>attacks the shrimp every chance he gets
>eats his food that the tetras won't eat, then eats as much of the tetra's food as he can, too
>gets in the way when the guy is trying to fix the pump
I love bettas but they do be like that
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>>4258123
cute
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>>4258537
Getting some nice patterns too.
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Some of my favorites. Quite fond of the bottom right one with the pharaoh eyeliner. I'm going to keep him and call him Ramesses.
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>>4258588
I love you. Keep us updated.
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>>4258592
>I love you. Keep us updated.
Will do. I wish I could share more, but they're less than 1cm long so almost every photo/video is too blurry to make out.

In case you're interested, the mother is a black storm and the father is a ???. He was apparently some breeder's attempt to make a hybrid of fancy percula and ocellaris species, but he came out looking like pic related instead, so I got him for just £30. I really like him though, he's one of a kind.
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>>4257629
There's something in aquariums that you can't put just two fish because if they fight, they will fight till death.
But if you put one more, when they get tired they will run alway and the other two will keep fighting.
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>>4258717
Are you thinking of a betta sorority? That only works if you have tons of places for them to retreat and hide and a very large tank.
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Just showing off my very handsome cockatoo apisto
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And my bristlenose Chupa enjoying a wafer piece. Anyone know at what age you can tell they're male or female? Chupa doesn't seem to be growing any bristles so I'm wondering if it's a female.
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>>4258563
>>4258588
MAX cute wow
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My tank is cycling after 3 days

Normally would ignore the tests and focus on plant growth but the plants are slow
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I got about 12 cherry shrimp a couple weeks ago but I'm not sure how to tell if they're doing well. They have a lot of hiding spots and I usually only see a couple at a time. I haven't seen any deaths, just some molts, but the most I've seen at a time is 4. Are there any good indicators of the wellbeing of the little dudes or do I just keep my water nice and hope for the best?
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Buying fish from private seller that’s kept the fish since January, no new purchases since then, would you still quarantine as usual?
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I built a airlift pump for my murky collection of fish and snails and I can already see the bottom again after about two weeks of running.

I had some of those washable HVAC filters that seems to be a good media for things that clean the water to live in.
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I noticed these red spots on my goldfish's fin this morning while I was feeding him. Any idea what they can be? They just appeared overnight. There are little pieces hanging from them on the inside of his fin. I can't tell if it's an injury or some kind of infection. He's swimming around fine, but a bit less energetic than usual. What would be the best way to start treating this?

Water parameters are mostly okay. Ammonia/Nitrite are both 0, ph ~7, nitrates are a bit high, ~30-40. Just did a water change.
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>>4261439
Successful molting is a good indicator, also watch the shrimp: If they are always busy cleaning, they are fine, if they appear lethargic or show other abnormal behaviour something is probably wrong.
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>Day 20
Baby clownfish are doing well. They were trying so hard to kill each other right after metamorphosis that I had to separate a few, but the fighting has gone down a lot.
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MOST SOCIAL FISH

Hey, what fish would you say you have bonded the most with as it’s owner? Small fish appreciated:)
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Can I qt one clownfish in a 5 gallon bucket?

I have one clownfish in a 20 gallon tank, so it seems silly to buy a whole other 20 gallon tank to qt a buddy for her, since I have a bunch of 5 gallon food grade buckets
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>>4261775
I wouldn't keep water in a plastic bucket for more than a day, even one that claims to be 'food safe'.
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>>4261775
I’d do it, as long as you can keep it heated and filtered. I don’t think any chemicals would do any harm unless you are trying to breed, and even must commercially bred fry are raised in buckets.
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>Day 21
Some of the clownfish have started 'huddling' behavior. None of them seem interested in the pulsing xenia or macro algae that I put in the tank for them.
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>>4261739
Betta of course
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they're in good spirits today.
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>>4259797
nice gramma, this is mine today.
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>>4261703
>>4258623
>>4258588
>>4258563
>>4258123
>>4262181
Easily the most interesting posts in /aq/ in months.
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>>4255774
All livebearers other than the inbred guppies and mollies are pretty easy (swordtails are easy carewise but need a much bigger tank and the males can be very mean). Endlers may be hard to find in your local area but lots of people breed and ship them, look them up on aquabid.

I've been on and off trying to introduce pretty guppies to my endler stock for awhile now and it's insane. Literally 50+% mortality rate within a month despite perfect parameters, it's like the second they get introduced to one bacteria they die. Just put in 4 last month and only one made it more than 2 weeks in the endler tank. They do fine in quarantine but the second they encountered real tank conditions they crash.
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this thread's so dead during the middle of the day, you'd almost think the people here have jobs or some shit
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>fish are fine
>do 40% water change
>next morning
>everyone at top of the tank, except the corys who are unphased
>check parameters, nothing unusual, nitrate <20
>all snails, barbs, livebearers, and killis still hanging out right at the surface

Help! Nothing changed by the water change, which raised pH and KH by a bit but nothing unusual vs normal changes. I'm concerned it might be oxygen but nothing seems to have changed in that department - I do have a venturi feature on one filter that stopped working a few weeks back but that's not new.
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>>4262644
Got an airstone? Sounds like possible oxygenation. Cories can go to the surface and get air, those other fish can't.
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>>4262656
I do not, just two filters that both break the water tension. Weird that it just came up now after otherwise being fine but definitely could be oxygenation. Thanks, I'll add a small sponge filter or air stone.
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>>4262684
Usually water changes improve aeration but I can think of two scenarios where it could cause this

1. increased the temperature which reduces water's capacity to carry O2 (could be independent of the water change)
2. reduced available nutrients for plants, which in particular, in combination with light reduction, can make plants net O2 consumers. So if you did a water change later at night and run a relatively highly stocked tank it could cause that.

The symptoms really make it sound like an oxygen issue though. If it was something else like gill damage from chlorine the cories wouldn't be chilling out like nothing was wrong.
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>>4262704
It was later, after lights went off, that I did the change. I had also cut back from 10.5 to 8 hrs of light/day due to algae growth. Went out to Petco and got a double outlet air pump, put a flag sponge filter and a 6" airstone bar, and between that and having dropped temp since this morning by running a fan all day, they're all back to normal - flagfish pretending to be cichlids, swordtail trying to fuck them, etc.
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>>4259797
Did someone say cockatoo?
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alright boys i'm going to bed, watch my 'gramma for me, i'll be really upset if anything bad happens to him.
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Raising up 2 bluegill, would they be assholes to otos or should I just get a couple plecos? I had some bristlenoses in the tank before (holding for a friend) and they didnt fuck with them
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rate my tank
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>>4263134
Wasn't your tank on a South Park episode?
Also, bowfronts are ghey.
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hey corey I know you read this thread motherfucker tell your people to bring in some bloodfin tetras, i need some.
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>>4263134
Big enough for a betta if you do 50% water changes every other day.
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One of my angels has been getting small rips on his fins all the time, occasionally I see some little wispy tralers on his fins as well.
Every morning when I check on him he's completely healed like it never happened and has always had a good appetite and active.
Should I just chalk it up as regular angel fighting for dominance and maybe toss in some stress coat or pull him out and treat for fin rot?
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every single time I've tried to keep shrimp they've died on me. I've probably killed hundreds by now.
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>tfw so close to setting up hard scape and dry starting
>train derails and package is delayed until Monday with the final piece, the large focal rocks.
FUCK

I just want to DO SOMETHING I've been planning and slowly buying for months now.

Would it be stupid to put in my substrate and root tabs and leave it dry and ready for the rocks? I just want to start.
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>i threw some garlic cloves into my tank just to spite my betta
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>>4252324
is there anything i can do about my atrocious hard water scaling that doesnt involve constantly buying potable water?
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>>4263574
bomb threat to the local water district usually works i find. if you're on a personal domestic well tho you're SOL.
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>>4263439
I just broke mine's bubble nest and he's sulking in a corner.
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>>4263646
all well water baby
so i guess im just gonna have buy DI water to keep my tank topped up every couple days them
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>>4263727
this thread is a relic of a fail OP last month. just remember when this thread dies we go to the other one.
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>>4263657
Just invest in a RODI machine. Pays for itself after, what, 200 gallons? Plus convenience of not going anywhere
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>>4263439
congrats you made him healthier
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>>4263357
I fucking hate tank size zealots

If the fish can fit in the tank without breaking water surface, it is acceptable
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>>4263756
There are a few situations where a smallish fish actually needs a large tank. Rainbowfish will literally bash their brains in running into the glass by accident and need a long tank.
Just don't be reddit and scream about keeping goldfish in a 40 even though your entire experience is keeping a betta for 2 months.
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>>4263760
Tbqh the traditional bowl is more than enough for a goldfish or a betta. Both are airbreathers that live in smaller ponds. Ive seen youtube vids of bettas in the wild living in boot imprints into mud.

They dont give a shit, they even leave the water and walk around to find waters with more chicks, or to buy smokes.
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>>4252324
QRD on successfully not killing and breeding neo shrimp?

>be me an hour ago
>surfing on phone in bed
>see 30 nice looking blue velvet shrimp for $45 shipped after tax
>had $45 in checking account
>presently can't sleep with the spectre of bankruptcy breathing down my neck

I think I made the right choice.
Fast sexing? How to split them amongst 10 and 40 gallon tanks for output and damage control?
I really hope these tanks are cycled enough in a week. I think I'll be okay. Both have seed decor and plants, and have had a feeder fish live in them for a week or two with no problems. 40 gallon has heater from 55 which was slick with biofilm and stuff.
I can always open up the penn plax to get media, but I fucking hate doing it, especially when the thing is a decade old made in China with one ghetto repair already.
I can already tell I'll like this fluval 307 much, much better as killer as the cascade 1500 is for the $99 I paid in 2013.
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What plants have round, lily-like leaves that are good for cute little fish to sleep on?
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>>4263775
bruh dont shrimp yourself into debt. anyways just have neutral-ish water and a cycled tank. That's all you really need. I have bred hundreds of them in a 10 gallon that I feed a pellet to twice a week.
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>>4263770
You just gave the exact reason why it's a terrible idea to give a betta an ultra tiny space. If the betta is jumping from a puddle it is because it is not a suitable habitat and it is trying to find a better place. Betta also reproduce in huge quantities because chance of survival is very low. I'd rather not buy a fish and keep it in conditions where it has about a 1-2% chance of survival.

As for fish in general, it's retarded to keep them in containers that are so small they can't swim much. What's the point? That's like buying snorkeling gear and pool toys when you only have a bathtub and never travel. If you want to buy something nice to look at that stays still, buy a painting. Less maintenance.
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>>4263776
Whorled pennywort or water pennywort. It is not an easy plant to get right. To get the effect you're looking for, you'd need some pretty high PAR, otherwise it'll just try to be emersed and you might as well have just gone with actual lilypads. If you're doing such high PAR, you're probably going to need CO2 or you'll likely run into massive algae issues. Even if you don't, without CO2 the growth will be terribly slow.

It also requires frequent pruning to get dense coverage. The rooting system is also very weak so you have to have a delicate touch with them.
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>>4263806
I am doing a dry start to grow my hairgrass carpet first and moss on the rocks (not sure what kind yet), but after that I'm going to be going Co2 injection for sure. My light is a Fluval Plant 3.0, not sure if it is high enough PAR, though. Not sure if it's necessary, but I also have root tabs and liquid ferts ready.
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>>4262827
>I had also cut back from 10.5 to 8 hrs of light/day due to algae growth
That doesn't get rid of whatever is causing excess algae growth, it just sweeps the issue under the rug
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miss me yet, /aq/ - Aquarium General?
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Fell in love with kuhli loaches the second j saw one, so I'm pretty pumped I appear to have recieved at the very least 3 species in my group of 12.

>>4263802
I didn't get the 40 gallon for them, just to be clear. Nor the 10 gallon for that matter. I just bought the shrimp on impulse since the price was so good, and I'm hurting for money, so I absolutely don't want them to die. Ideally, I can keep all my tanks heavily stocked with them despite predation and sell some on the side.
I've wanted cherry shrimp since high school, but I sucked at aquatic pets. That's actually when I got this 55 gallon setup up ten years ago and it sat until a month ago. Pumped as fuck to get neos in my favorite color I didn't know existed for $1.50 each.
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Came home today and noticed my old fishtank water i hadnt done anything with had a kind of film on top of the water, almost looks like you took a cloudy sheet of plastic and put it on top. Also there are a ton of little white things that are pretty fast. What could they be? Can i use them to culture live fry food?
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How tf do I help my snails recover? Their shells have been corroding over the past few months and I have no idea why or how to stop it. I've tried adding regular calcium powder (albeit for reptiles) for the past few weeks to no avail. Before you ask, literally nowhere here stocks calcium for tanks. Closest is an hour away.

Parameters are perfect
pH is like 7.4
4x1.5x2 foot tank (I thought it was 180L but I think it's closer to 300)
Tank mates
Large Bala shark - active but harmless
2 angel fish - bite when stressed
Male and female gouramis - harmless
Large catfish - nocturnal. Only comes out at night
Albino sharkfish - bullies all the other fish
Peppermint and bristlenose plecos - harmless
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>>4264087
>Parameters are perfect
Did a 50% change today to be fair. Only reason I can think of is that my filter crapped itself and was a breeding ground for sludge until I realized something was up with it. No live plants atm. Tried but failed cause I had nothing to really feed them
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How's this for a first time shell dweller tank? Any suggestions are appreciated.
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>>4264087
Plecos WILL kill your snail, get him in a hard water tank with some cuttlefish shells.
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>>4263775
>Water type
These will vary by species. I had these cups of mineral salts from Jungle Aquashrimp and followed instructions from forums. Start your tank with distilled water obv, put in plants, put in a guppy or guarami to cycle, test with strips and THEN put in additional mineral.
>separate tank
Shrimp sometimes need stricter requirements which might harm other species, best to use a separate tank. Shrimp dont give a fuck so you can use a tank of any size as long as you can maintain it regularly and its not leeching chemicals into the water (no plastic buckets lol)
>temp control
My own tank was smaller because i didnt have space. The more water you have, the more stable and hard-to-change temp is, keep that in mind. Shrimp I bred did well from about 18C to almost 30C, but the room was sometimes <15C in winter. Thats challenging, you may need a heater.
>Filtration
The BEST type of filtration for shrimp is a standard sponge wall. Cut a huge square of sponge and wedge it across the tank to make a 'wall' of sponge. Put an airstone behind the sponge wall. Airstone will cause lower pressure (more compressible bubbles) behind the wall, which will cause (incompressible) water to flow across the sponge. Its incredible gentle and decent filtration type, just remember to cycle before adding minerals and shrimp.
>Environment
Shrimp will not breed in a bare tank. Easymode is java moss, guppy grass or riccia - lots of surface area (small long leaves). I had hornwort, because it grows straight so I could line 1 side of aquarium with it and the rest would be visible. Guppy or riccia is all over, you cant see shit.
>Feeding
Hikari food. Also make a green tank - Get some algae wafers, crush them finely, and sprinkle in tank. Get rotifer + water flea spores, and sprinkle some in. To cut down on the green, use duckweed which will block out some lights and suck up nutrients.

They berried about 5 months after I was done with everything and added the shrimp in.
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>>4264094
I've had them in there for months and have seen them pass over the snails shell but do no more than that. They're more interested in rocks and logs than the snails
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>>4264094
Also for some godforsaken reason, no pet place at ALL sells cuttlefish anything
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Panda garras are so based /aq/ bros
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>>4263648
:(
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>>4263804
>long ass spiel which doesnt address the issue
The issue is the definition of "tiny" bruh.

Aquarium sellers shill 50 gallons for 1 betta. Whereas it would be very comfortable in a 5 or 10 gallon tank with companions.
My nephew has a betta in a <10 gallon with shrimp, cloud of tetras, and a dirty dozen of ottos. They are all very happy fish.
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>>4263928
Waifu <3
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>>4263942
I love those autistic little noodlefish. My betta likes to hang out with them when they go into their evening speegmode.
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>>4264114
Literally no one is advocating a 50G for a betta, and that post was literally advocating a goldfish in a bowl. That was the shittiest goalpost moving attempt I've seen in months.
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>>4263812
The pennywort grows emersed quite easily as well, so you might want to try to grow it the same time as the hairgrass. Good luck. Interesting plant, just I could never get it quite right. Fluval 3.0 is probably plenty of PAR.
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>>4263942
>>4264244
I was torn between Kuhlis and Corys but went with Corys as people said I'd see them more. My Corys spend all day hiding in the back of the tank and I regret my decision.
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>>4264310
Thanks for the info, I'm trying to figure out what all I can get locally and what I can properly grow during the dry-start phase. If I listed, hopefully someone here knows enough to point out which ones might not work? Either way, thanks for your input. I want to, of course, maximize the growth pre-flood so as much as I can fit in there would be useful.

Eleocharis acicularis mini (to add variance to the grass, if I can find it in store)
Cabomba caroliniana (pretty sure this is submersed-only from the look, but maybe I'm wrong)
Hornwort, Ceratophyllum demersum (pretty sure this is the same as previous), going for a faux-pine background with these two

Alternanthera reineckii (mini)
Selaginella Erythropus Ruby Red Club Moss
Pink rotala
Rotala Rotundifolia (for "bonsai" on my spiderwood, also pretty sure this one is submersed)
Alternanthera Ficoidea 'Rainbow'
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x-ray of mosquitofish that ate snails
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>>4264321
lol dumb fish
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Why is reddit so cringe? Better to leave this beta dying in a cup at the pet store that God forbid put him in a planted 3 Gallon
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Are least killifish better than guppies/endlers to provide live food for slightly bigger (2-3") fish, in the same aquarium? I figured if I add like 12-16 of them, the adults are too big for the fish to eat, and a few would make it to adulthood while the rest of the fry got eaten
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>>4264306
>Literally no one is advocating a 50G for a betta
Do you admit 5 gallon is overkill for one fish though?

>that post was literally advocating a goldfish in a bowl
Depending on the size of the bowl, thats a great solution. I have a betta and loach in 2gal version of this:
https://www.amazon.com/Anchor-Hocking-1-Gallon-Heritage-Hill/dp/B01EIJ0P6W/
And he loves it.
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>>4264740
Y'all are coping hard. 50g is way too much but 2-5 gallons is fucking tiny. Yeah, I think 5g is enough, theoretically. But that's without plants, without substrate, without hard scape, without room for a real filter.
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>>4264353
The same morons are in this very thread advocating for huge tanks for just a few fish.

The only way anyone should be buying a 10 gallon or bigger is if they plan on having bigger fish, or maybe small schooling fish, which need a bit of space to exercise and swim around. Bettas are ecstatic for even a 1 gallon space they literally live in weed choked 1/2 foot puddles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lHMDWRgKrQ

MOST bright aquarium fish have bright colors so mates will see them in in swampy filthy muddy water. This is why most aquarium fish dont need lots of space.
Clear-water riverine fish are uniformy gray or with a pebble camouflage pattern, to avoid predators.
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>>4264740
>Goldfish in a bowl
You are trolling.
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>>4264744
>remove plants (natural filter)
>try to put in filter
>oh nooooo i cant!
Are you retarded? What kind of a moron needs a filter for one fish? I bet you would throw an airstone in too.

Rule of thumb you need 5x the bodyweight of a fish in green, oxygen producing surface, to provide O2 for it. The fattest betta is 10g, so you need 50g of greenery to provide for it.
If you cant carpet even a 1 gallon with 50g of green shit, you are a moron.
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inb4 the anthropomorphised "but he needs AT LEAST 20 gallons so he can explore and go on adventures!"

This is you transcribing your own feelings from living in a commieblock apartment to a fucking fish. You dont know what the fish feels, you are not a fish. In fact (if it is not a migratory fish) it is equally likely that they would prefer a smaller space where they can be sure it is free of predators, compared to a larger space which may have hidden corners full of danger. This is why fish SCHOOL and swim together, they are artificially increasing their density and reducing the space they are in! By choice!!!! You dont know how a fish thinks, because you are not a fish. They might have a completely different concept of space or time. Even intelligent mammals like chimps, dolphins and elephans all have WIDELY different concepts of the world.
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>>4264770
The argument for 10 or 20 gallon tanks for bettas is that the kind of person who is asking about what kind of tank you should put a betta in are likely novices and smaller tanks are harder to balance. So it's for the aquarist's convenience, not the specimen.

Bettas are basically the only fish I can see using bowls for, the only problem with them is heating but if you have a room that stays 72+ the entire year a gallon bowl is a fine enclosure provided you include plants for cover. But personally, I find that it's very difficult to maintain enough swimming space with equipment (plus plants, which will likely be your filter in a stagnant bowl) and decor that makes the bowl look better than something in a little girl's bedroom.

People underestimate how fucking tough anabantids can be. Bettas in the wild flop themselves multiple feet across the mud to find new puddles. Paradise fish, their even angrier cousins, were the first tropical fish kept in Europe because they could be shipped from Asia to Europe in a damp wad of cotton. This is in the 19th century where Asia-Europe shipping usually took 2 months or more.
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>>4263756
t. chinese market fish section
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>>4264353
It's better to leave the betta dying in a cup at PetSchmo because buying it there just encourages them to order even more from the breeders next time. Yes, they will likely always have betta torture racks, but the more you buy, the more they buy, and the ones one the shelf are just a fraction of the ones that they actually buy. Most just die and you never even see them. Every betta you buy from Petco/PetSmart is like three bettas they bought and killed during transport, handling, and shelf expiry to replace it. If you actually want to keep a betta, buy from individual breeders. Better quality, better aesthetics.

>>4264740
Again, goalposts. The post I originally replied to advocated a bowl for a goldfish. But yes, I've kept betta from everything from a 20G community to something around 1-2G (after my last one hit about four years old, he had became far less agile and it was FAR easier to make sure he was eating and to inspect for any kind of ailment/damage in a small, personalized enclosure). And if I weren't keeping community tanks in that era, the betta would have been fine in that enclosure for the ~6 years he lived. On the reverse side I keep far larger systems and I definitely wouldn't want to keep a betta in like a 100+ gal (not that I could, my large systems are salt).
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Bettas are lame anyway, puffers are where its at.
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>>4264859
Hi Corey.
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>>4264871
Nah just a puffer-loving newbie
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Hello these are some of my medaka fry :)
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>>4264762
You're also assuming that the fish keeper puts only the necessary amount of food in the tank, and that the betta eats all of it. Take a look at the average aquarium keeper and say that it is a bad idea to have extra water as margin against parameter swings. Could an experienced fish keeper focusing mainly on a heavily planted 2.5 gal keep a betta or a lightly planted 1.4 gal feeding only live foods to ok? Probably, but most advice assumes that a literal child is doing the care. Dissolved O2 is also not really a necessary parameter to worry about for a labyrinth fish anyway, you should be more concerned about your nitrogen compounds.
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>>4264244
>Evening sperg mode
Hooked up a couple 5mm blue LED's for ghetto moon mode in my tank, I gotta say, it's funny as fuck watching everyone chill out as the lights turn off, then about 5 minutes later all the tetras start going "FUCK what was THA- FUCK WHAT" as the Kuhlis start tearing ass out of their hidey-log like alarmed homonids.
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>Grows giant stalk from centre of the plant with little flower-looking nodes
>Keeps growing them
>No flowers, starts growing roots from the node instead
God fuckin damnit, where are my flowers.
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>>4264952
throw it in the bin
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>>4264859
I unironically like puffers as well.

>>4264946
>>4264829
Read both post and theyre very similar. tl;dr you have contempt for fellow hobbyists and view them as retarded children. This is the wrong approach.

While it is true that the hobby is full of
newcomers and kids, these will stay in the hobby only as far as their first dead fish. Nothing you suggest will save that fish, because these newbs are not looking for suggestions, they are just putting a tablespoon of food into a goldfish tank 3 times a day. The death of that first fish is traumatic, and most newbs leave.

The people who STAY are the ones looking for suggestions on youtube, and you can talk to these people like anyone else. eg instead of saying
>bettas need a minimum of 20 gallons!
>a 10 gallon tank is a nano tank!
You can say
>experienced keepers can keep a betta in X size tank, but if youre new to the hobby a 10 gal is recommended for safety
And they will listen.

Theres no need to trick people or treat fellow hobbyists that badly.
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>>4264353
Sir you need at least 15 gallons for a beta
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>>4264850
>It's better to leave the betta dying in a cup at PetSchmo
I get this argument, which is why I took the sickest looking betta. Only aq breeders I've found online in my area are doing shrimp and livebearers, and my gf wanted her own fish. She's tried to name my 15 rasboras in my gourami tank, and decided she just wants one.
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>comes out of hiding under filter
>swipes at fish with claws
>refuses to elaborate
>hides again

Fuck prawns. Time to go into the forever box.
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>>4265076
At least one of these posters you references is baiting.
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>>4265076
I (>>4264947, although I'm phoneposting now, other post is another guy) disagree. Presumably they also have a job and possibly family, or multiple tanks, which is more likely the more experienced the aquarist is. Not only that, interest in the hobby is never constant, I've seen maintainance diligence wax and wane even with members of the club I'm in who have had fish for 30 years. A key part of the post was
>experienced fish keeper focusing mainly
More margin is always better to help account for the other events that happen in life, and the difference between a 2.5gal and a 5 gal tank isn't that much.

Also, you rarely ever want to give out two different pieces of advice, unless you personally know the personality and skill level of the hobbyist. It is more confusing, and allows for a newbie to overestimate their abilities and have a worse experience starting off, making it more likely that they don't stick around.

Personally the minimum Betta tank size that I will use and recommend is a planted 5 gal. I've kept a Betta in smaller, but I find that increasing the required maintenance frequency is something that has made mine and others I know interest wane. If someone in my aquarium club were to ask my advice about minimum tank size for a Betta, I could add modifiers since I have a better handle on their competency, however chances are a properly experienced aquarist already has their own ideas about the minimum. But if it's general advice given on an anonymous board or a YouTube video? One minimum size, and emphasizing that a bigger tank is pretty much always better.
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>>4264859
Don't have a puffer, but I have a filefish. Little bastard ate all the snails in my tank, then all the small corals, then started attacking my clownfish to eat their toadstool coral. My male clown lost the tip of his dorsal fin and it never grew back.
>Temperament: non-agressive
Yeah, I'm thinking these fish websites are full of shit. He lives alone in my sump now.
I thought it might by like a prison with nothing else alive down there, so I bought a blood shrimp for the sump and the little fucker killed and ate the shrimp top.

Pic related, it's the little shit himself.
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>>4265155
I just put a beta in this 3 gallon, lightly planted with drift wood. Filtered and heated.

Redditers can cry about my fish not being able to go on adventures and explore. The 3 gallon fits nicely on my shelf. I also stocked it the day I set it up, filled it with tank water from my 30galllon gourami tank, and put filter media from the 30G into the filter of the 3G

Seeth reddit
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A friend wants to give me 5 female endlers, I know she has very good husbandry, and she hasn’t bought any new fish in several months, is it ok to add straight into my tank or how long should I QT?
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>>4265170
Good for you and your betta? Again, I've kept Bettas in smaller tanks without plants for their full lifespan just fine, I just wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Just because it is possible doesn't mean it's the advice I would give unsolicited.
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>>4265169
>aggressive fish
>"let's put a small invert alone with it and no cover"
>fish kills shrimp
Are you retarded?
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>>4265201
Just add them. Unless you're buying wild caught fish, quarantining is a meme. Add some prazipro with the fish if you're really concerned.

t. never quarantines
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>>4265170
Plants look like shit
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>>4265263
They're cuttings from my other tank, I'll give it some time
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>>4265265
In that case, maybe it'll get better
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>>4265155
I usually just recommend a 10 gallon with a few bunches of plants. It's kind of overkill for a single betta, but it leaves room for some cory cats and tetras when the person inevitably decides they want more fish. 5 is fine if you know it's just going to be the betta, though I've seen good setups with 3 gallon long tanks. I feel like a Petco 5 or 10 gallon is going to be cheaper than those shitty little betta memetanks anyways.
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>>4265306
Petco's deals can be really good. I came close to getting a 75 for a bigger puffer because it was half off. Didn't want to have to pay for the kind of stuff that supports something that big.

Either way, the 29g I settled on for the dwarf puffers was only $40ish bucks.
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>>4265307
How many DPs do you keep in a 29g? I thought they were aggressive
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>>4265323
I haven't got that far, yet. I'm working on starting the plants hopefully within this week for a dry start.

Not sure how many I can really fit in a 29g, but from my research they're shoaling, so having enough of them can disperse the aggression. Hard to figure out how I can get the right ratio of male to female, but I figure maybe 5 or 6.
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>>4265259
Filefish are meant to be non-agressive, so I wanted to give it the benefit of the doubt. Plus the shrimp was fairly large and had liverock caves to hide in.
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What's the deal with scuds? Can I toss a couple hundred into my community tank and have endless live food for the fish? Or will they cause problems?
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>>4265447
I'd like to know, too. I could've sworn I heard they are kind of like a clean up crew, but also good enrichment for pea puffers to hunt.
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>Day 24
Bad news. Baby died. Feels shitty.
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>>4265528
Nemo noooooooo
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>>4264102
couldn't you scrape the cuttlefish bone birds use for their beaks anon?
>>4263122
i can say from personal experience plecos are fine with bluegill; i have an outdoor koi pond with 4 bluegill and a handful of plecos that chill out there and don't fuck with anything
>>4265447
unless you have cherries/bees you should be fine? Scuds can kill cherry shrimp babies but other than that they're just small shrimp from my understanding. I almost wonder if it's better off to set up a brine shrimp breeding tank for feeding reasons
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>>4262842
I love him
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>>4264312
I don't think you can go wrong either way. I guess I'll find out as I'm putting 18 pandas in this 40B with the velvet blue shrimp arriving Wednesday eventually.
How many you have and how any hiding spots? It is easier to logistically to host lots of kuhlis and have lots of hiding spots for them.

Left the light on late one night for vacuuming and they started midnight raving anyway. Now they do it during they day regularly with way more there, including the black kuhli loaches.

https://linksharing.samsungcloud.com/6sG7Vmewuazs
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>>4265686
Sorry about the "you better not play trash" music. Didn't realize sound was on.
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>>4264098
Okay, thanks for the info, very helpful. I'd there a specific temperature you would aim for if possible?

Sounds like overall my 10 gallon is the better set up which I figured. With one huge caveat: temperature.
I set up the entire tank for like $50, so it's got a lil aqueon 78 degree preset that was on sale for $6.
A temp this high would lend itself to many males, but faster breeding. According to a couple studies I saw, high 70s means less disease than low 70s, but everyone that keeps them in the hobby seems to say the opposite.
From what I can tell 73 seems to be the ideal temperature, with minimal disease and ~%60 female offspring. I have a good heater in the 40B, and the temp is super stable. So I'll probably split them amongst the two tanks and see how it goes. Maybe swap some of the berried females from 10 to the cooler 40 as needed.

I'm sticking with the fluval 307 on the 40b, but I am going to put filter floss on the intake and drop the flow down. I should probably test both tanks, but tests seem to only bring me anxiety and over correction. I'll just blast small multi times a day water changes and prime if I need to.
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>>4265745
Oh, and no heater is no go. I've seen the basement go below 60 quite a few times when the AC is cranking to keep the upstairs bearable.
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>>4265686
in my experience, corys and kuhlis enjoy heavily planted sections of stem plantsor a forest of sorts where they can sort of lounge around in the bushes so to speak. al over time those bushes of plans tend to create small caves and tunnels that the fish can chill on the substrate under the bushes of plants
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Anyone else hate how fucking nosy petsmart employees are about the fish you're buying?
Like, you're really worried about what tank size I'm sticking the singular fucking koi angelfish in when he's been stuck in like 10 gallons with 10 other angelfish for a month. I will feed the fucking thing to my cat if I want to. I eat these things raw, with rice and onions sauce.
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>>4265686
Well, maybe 9-12. Haven't decided. Depends on how hard it is to get them to breed.
Maybe some other c cat if they are easy to breed and I can get some affordably. But seems like everyone wants pandas mostly, and I kinda see why.
For example, false julii, which I'm also considering, is more visually impressive. But at the end of the day it still looks fish patterned, whereas the pandas are legit kawai.
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>>4265755
Oh, for sure. I have a few spots for that that will expand horizontally as they get trimmed. I will be keeping the front pretty clear to be contrast with the sloppy with plants 55 tall.
Also, I don't know if it was just flukes, but I was able to find examples where large schools of cats would get together to swim against high flow in open areas.
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>>4265761
And I'm not getting these fish for a while. Gotta get my money up so I can risk it all dumbo dropping poundage into my tanks to save $150 in shipping. And also maybe just get a couple more small tanks. Or three.
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>>4262601
>bristlenose pleco flatout headbutted a gourami that was trying to snatch his algae cookie
Fuck around find out.
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>>4265761
Do you guys think my future pea puffers would terrorize khuli loaches? I've heard people keeping them together, but that doesn't mean much
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>>4265778
I have no idea man. I'm still learning, but I'll look into pea puffers. I didn't even realize there were fresh water ones.
I will say you can limit it to "try to terrorize". Give them enough cover and he won't be able to do dick. I bet a thousand dollars these lazy little noodle missiles are a thousand times faster than a puffer, just by body shape alone. I've seen them clear the 55 gallon across in like a third of a second.
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>>4265784
That seems to be the consensus I read, too. That they're too big to be eaten by the puffers, but also too fast to get nipped too much.

I do worry a 29g that will be relatively heavily planted is kind of small for them, but I would likely only do 2 and I'm just adding my puffers first so I don't have to invest in a separate quarantine set up yet.
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>>4263188

Kek
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>>4265784
>>4265796
Give Kuhlis a hidey-hole and the puffers wont even know they're in the tank. Probably you too, lol.

Kuhlis are fast as shit, usually all you see is a kickup of substrate and that's it.
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>>4265796
If you only want 2 I'd reconsider. They are shy, especially in small numbers, and you won't see em if they don't want to be seen.
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>>4265796
You could consider black loaches. They're a bit more outgoing and more active. I'd still do at the very absolute least 4.
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>>4265155
>hurr im smarter than everyone else!
>treats others as idiots
>no humility
>no good feeling
>hurr bigger = better buy more spend more!
What a dickwad narcissist.

Bettas live in 5 inches of water encrusted with mud and weeds, I guarantee he feels bad in a giant tank. I could keep him in a baking dish and he would feel comfortable and at home. Also its my fucking fish, go fuck yourself.
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>>4265170
>Redditers can cry about my fish not being able to go on adventures and explore. The 3 gallon fits nicely on my shelf.
Based
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>>4265963
sorry, segregated rank, no blacks
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>>4265170
>dull shitty looking water
>ugly decor
>no painted background so equipment sticks out like a sore thumb
this is why your nano tank is cringe, not because its hurting muh fishie. Seriously though if you painted the back black that tank would look at least 2x as good.
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>>4266025
Black backgrounds are overrated. The right answer is to cover the back with plant growth.
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>pic related in tank
>one 25% pwc weekly keeps nitrates under 40ppm with plants
>adding pothos to cut that further

Why is aquadvisor so gay?
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>>4266028
Yeah more plants would also be better, but without something like a black background or internal sump your equipment always sticks out like a sore thumb in a tiny tank.
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>>4266034
Plants can hide all.
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Every morning from about 830 to 930am, this beautiful blue boy defends his corner of the tank from all other fish. Shame that all his fertilized eggs get eaten by the livebearers he bodies.
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Anyone want this SUPER RARE DOTTED YELLOW FLAME CORAL?
50 bucks and it can be yours!
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>>4266008
Based
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>>4266025
I'll try adding black card on the back
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>>4265963
>>4265959
Could I fit more than 2 khuli loaches in a 29 gallon with at least 5 puffers? It's going to be heavily planted. I only said two because where I struggle is to figure out how to determine how much you can fit in a tank reasonably.
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Which rasbora is best rasbora?
I was leaning towards the exclamation point or phoenix since chilis are too brightly colored. I like fish that blend in a little bit but still show off colors.
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>>4266220
Naevus are my faves. they're like maculata but stockier/shorter and theyve got golden rings around their spots.
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>>4266220
I really enjoy my harlequin rasboras, I think also known as red rasboras
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>>4265756
No, because I don't buy fish at PetSmart and the vast majority of customers buying fish at PetSmart don't understand that little fish can grow to big fish and it is their fault that it dies, not PetSmart's. Since both PetSmart and Petco have a surprisingly lax refund policy on fish, it is in their best interest to make sure the fish survives at least past the refund policy. Also what you don't see is that the display may be small, but they are generally connected to much larger systems (e.g. a column of four 10G tanks all part of a 80+ total gallon system, actually from what I've seen of the bigger stores it's eight tanks to a system with huge filtration in the back).

TL:DR; you're retarded, stfu autist.
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>>4266220
Kubotai
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>>4266173
Absolutely, they have a very small bioload and naturally gather into crowded piles. I would think 8-12 would be perfectly fine. I have 17 kuhli type loaches sharing the bottom with 5 GBRs and a dwarf gourami that believes in an open tank level policy.
Ignore the "bettas need at least 10 gallon" reddit types that have a 10 gallon block of algae that might have a fish in it. Just keep up on the possibly increased maintanence. Get a python and keep the tank near a tap. I do 10-30% water changes when I'm bored like every other to third day because it takes maybe 10-20 minutes.
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>>4266340
Oh shit, I'm on well water. So I don't have to worry about dechlorination. Forgot about that.
It is low oxygen, high CO2, though, so I make sure to blast the water into the surface. One of my early big changes before I knew plus medicine right after resulted in me poking and scooping fish that were passing out and floating upside down for 15 minutes so they didn't die.
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Do you guys think I could selectively breed triops granarius (they're gonochoric) in order to get funny color/patterns ?
They seem to range from light brow to dark brown. Any chance I coule get some yellow or red ?
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>>4266373
I don't see why not. Pretty cool project. You could start a whole new branch of the hobby. Keep us updated if you try.
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>>4264850
By your logic we should all be dropping the hobby entirely this instant in the interest of being humane.
But no, I'm keeping my fish, I'm keeping my guns, and I'm not eating the bugs.
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>>4266373
Dunno how feasible it would be to end up with any unusual colorations, but if you really want to give it a try I'd recommend Triops mauritanicus instead. Also gonochoric and more significant variety in pattern and coloration between individuals from my experience keeping them for multiple generations.

If you want red triops there are already beni kabuto ebi and albino T. longicaudatus available.
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>>4266373
>>4266379
>>4266384
I tried this in HS. I couldnt do it because for some odd reason they have a weird ability tonproduce unrelated phenotypes. Despite some variation of color, next generation always had a mix of colors. I think I had pink, gray, and smooth vs rough (ps, pr, gs, gr) but if you bred two gr their eggs would produce all four variations. I think their variations might be environmental? Or maybe females carry sperm from all prior partners around forever like some arthropoda (and tinder users).

I wish you luck but in 4+ generations I didnt manage to get any differentiation. I would SUGGEST to focus on shell shape difference, since I had some minor success there.

Either way its 10x easier to breed triops than even keeping a cactus alive.
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>>4266340
8-12? Jesus, it feels like I misjudge the size of all the fish I see. It's so hard to get a good idea of how big they are. I'm afraid to even have that many puffs.
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>>4266025
I added a dark background and changed some things now

I think it looks better
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Hehe, hey buddies, take it easy, there. O-okay... STOP EATING YOU FAT LITTLE FUCKS. REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>4266405
Can't go by size alone and especially not the inch or two per gallon rule or whatever it is.
One 3 inch goldfish probably puts out the waste of like 20 kuhlis, and the loaches are cleaning up debris in the sediment that would rot otherwise.
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>>4266552
That's fucking cool. Very gonna-get-laid-lots-in-the-80s

I'll be honest, though, I'm getting hard at the though of eventually having ugly ass warehouse shelves full of tanks lining my entire basement like some kind of serial killer.
Rest of the house is off limits, though.
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>>4266572
This one's in a laundry room
30g is in the office, 50g in living room
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>>4266574
Yeah, I'm saying the rest of the house is off limits, but what's a nano tank here and there? But that won't do for scarlet badis! This shit is like crack to me.

Fuck man, if only I'd kept at it in high school when I fucking wanted to be a marine biologist. Had to euthanize like 60 mollies because of my stupidity and lost the spirit for the hobby.
Shit, I've got 2/3 of a biochem degree. Too bad I know my brain is too fucked to pass the organic chem I dropped out of instead of just taking the C or D. Time to say I'm gender fluid and start crying about how hot it is outside to get an environmental science degree and then do something actually useful with it related to fish.
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>>4266576
Bro just Amazog a few 5G tanks, and breed shrimp and snails in vestibule
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>>4266577
Vestibule? Like a glass globe, or a sump for multiple 5gs?
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Week in and no shrimp casualties so far! Does anyone know how wide green cabomba grows? I want to make a hedge of it on the left side to cover the heater
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>>4266582
Idk man just keep fish and nano tanks are dope
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>>4266570
If one fish is fat, it's gluttonous, if the whole school is fat, you're overfeeding them.
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I jut bught this flame taild blenny. It's been two days right now so although I haven't tested my parameters recently I guess they're alright. I'm feeding him these hermit crab cakes. Are those good?

Edit posting lenny not crab cakes
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>>4266253
You're retarded. I'm talking about the quarantine tanks up top.
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Fishbros I need help identifying this fish I saw snorkeling in Hawaii.

picrel is my best attempt at drawing it from memory. No notable coloration, was observed in a pair, only around a half foot from the surface in 30ft deep water.

Also saw some octopi trying to fuck but more interested in what this thing is.
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>>4266621
its a penis
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Can male GBRs have a "dick"? He spawned a little bit after dinner, and he has something that looks like the ovipositor but it comes to a point. Hoping it's not a prolapse or parasite. Wasn't there before spawning that I noticed. I would have gotten a pic but light went out.

>>4266589
I've been overfeeding up until recently, but most of them are just a little too thicc. Like 4 of 28 neons are fucking scary fat though, like that guy. If I don't give them something small at the surface or the water column they just go pick pieces off sinking for for whoever. If they don't get food they get pissed off and and fight harder than usual. Pretty sure they're alpha's or something. Though I've seen a small slim one defend the same primo spot for a week.
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>>4266648
Okay, sounds normal. Spiky genital papilla is a sign of a mate ready male or something from what I can tell at a glance.
>>4266621
They migrated to Australia due to climate change.
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>>4266650
>>4266621
Huh, turns out that box jellyfish is actually from Hawaii, I was just trying to make a joke.
You positive it was a fish?
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>>4266655
For sure.

tried to go back and redo the drawing a bit. It was silverish but It may have had brownish bands.

Rather than like tentacles like my initial drawing its more like a Moorish Idol's dangle but on the dorsal and ventral side which go out like 5x the length of the fish's body
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>>4266664
juvenile Diamond Trevally
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>>4266665
>juvenile Diamond Trevally

Pretty spot on. The images for the Threadfin Trevally look 1:1 for what I remember
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>>4266595
I spent hours autistically researching and came to the conclusion that scallops are pretty much the best thing you can feed marine fish. I buy a pack of organic scallops, dice it into mush (the row is much softer, so it needs dicing separately and then mixing back in) and then freeze it in mini ice-cube trays. Lasts for months.

That said, don't most blennies need algae as well?
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>buy new internal filter
>can be used as moving bed filter
>"neat"
>buy some k1
>smallest size is 1 gal
>use approximately half a cup

Well my filter is boss now but I have approximately 99% of a gallon of K1 media now. Is there anything useful I can do with it, besides changing out some ceramic balls in my current filters for this stuff? Should I just pour it in a Tupperware for my toddler to play with?
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>>4252324
Does anyone here own monster fish? If so, post pics and stories
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>be me fag
>have sis that goes on vacation and I need to watch the house
>went away for a week and water level was 1cm under what it should normally be after I came back
>recently bought an airstone for the reeftank and realize that evaporation ofc is much higher with that
>thankfully for my retarded ass, all my livestock is ok
>only my toadstool looks like shit but it curiously is like that the whole time anyway
>mantis shrimp tank is a-ok
whew lads, really lucked out, should have known I would have more evaporation
looks like I finally need to buy an ATO lol


>>4266852
Most of their genus are herbis I think. My tailspot blenny won't touch even the slightest hint of meat so mine is def a herbivore.
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>>4266916
Where are you located? I was going to use K1 for a bubbler filter
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>>4267175
North East USA
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>>4266916
>Should I just pour it in a Tupperware for my toddler to play with?
He's gonna swallow it, possibly choke.
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>>4266648
GBRuh with his dick last night out was gaurding one(1) egg when I woke up.

Apparently one of these blue velvet shrimp was in a real hurry to molt. They just got here at noon and went in the tank two hours ago. At least it was successful. Not sure if good omen or god setting me up for the okie doke.
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what is the largest centerpiece fish i can comfortably fit in a 29g tank

yes, i understand this is a stupid question. i am going to ask it anyway because i am bored and waiting for my 29g to cycle. i already planned on putting cherry barbs and cories in it, i'm just wondering what the beegest fische some retard decided to put in his 29 is
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>>4267601
Lots of people have breeding pairs of Discus in 29G tanks, so technically that I guess, but I wouldn't suggest it as those are entirely different circumstances/goals unless you like having a bare tank with a spawning cone.

Apistogramma would be a safe bet. I feel like there should be something inbetween but I can't think of anything at the moment.
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>>4266614
>Oh no let me clarify that I mean THIS tank instead!
You're retarded, those are still part of a system. Hence why most of the quarantine tanks are in one spot at a time instead of in an appropriate section (e.g. they may have a cichlid section but a quarantined cichlid group would still be in the quarantine section).

This is disregarding that these tanks are meant for short term sale, not long term care. Seethe more, autist. They're going to keep asking you about your tanks and you're going to keep coming back to the internet to vent because you're too much of a pussy to do shit in person.
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>>4267601
I've seen RBP's the size of the 29g they lived in. Couldn't turn around.

I'm guessing the tank had a much larger external water supply though. A fish that cramped is going to poison itself in hours.
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>>4267601
Though I am no pro, I have heard you could probably keep a spotted congo puffer (only one) in a 29g. Not ideal, but they are the kind of puffer that don't move around a ton, being ambush predators. I really wanted one instead of dwarf puffers, but they're ridiculously expensive (around $200+) and not beginner fish.
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>>4266253
Not the real reason since Petsmart doesn't refund marine animals but they still quiz you about your setup.

They honestly do seem to want their customers happy, even when no refund is possible. So weird. There's no way they can make money by helping people.
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>>4266383
No, you're in fantasyland and making giant leaps in fallacy. Your strawman is that I am advocating for humane treatment of all animals, which is not mentioned anywhere, you donut.

The original post claimed to "rescue" a betta from the retailer cup-on-a-shelf, in which I replied that is a fallacy because every betta you "rescue" from Petco/Petsmart just means you're hurting/funding the abuse of not just one more, but several.

If you go into a Petco/Petsmart and see a fish you like and want to buy it: buy it. If you go into a Petco/Petsmart and see a fish that is in rough shape and want to "rescue" it; don't. You're retarded if you do. But go ahead and both waste your money on inferior product AND have the exact opposite effect of what you intended to do (save a fish). Just keep pumping money into large corporations! That'll show them/me!
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>>4267606
apistogrammas are cool
>>4267612
not really a fan of puffers, unfortunately. and i can't get them anywhere
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>>4267614
I was just pointing out that at the bare minimum, they do not want returns constantly. But also yes, there are likely lots of fish departments in Petco/Petsmart that want their customers to be successful in the hobby. People here forget that a lot of the people working for these places are also hobbyists and, you know, people in general and not some schizo's fantasy world NPC vendor.

On the other hand though, a lot of these big chains have gotten a LOT of flak in the past decade or two about not giving a shit about post-sale care, and it turned into a PR disaster (they still deal with incidents of poor animal care every now and then) which does affect their bottom line, so I also don't doubt that there are corporate policies in place to make every department put in some modicum of effort to make it seem as though they care. If you ever order online you'll notice that their post-sale questionaires always include questions about if you felt like they care about your needs/your pets' needs and all that stuff. If they were 100% benevolent, they wouldn't give a shit about asking afterwards and spending the money to track and collate that data.
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>>4267622
>Not a fan of puffers


jk
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>>4267616
>The original post claimed to "rescue" a betta from the retailer cup-on-a-shelf, in which I replied that is a fallacy because every betta you "rescue" from Petco/Petsmart just means you're hurting/funding the abuse of not just one more, but several.

You already rebutted yourself you massive tard. He did rescue that betta. The other bettas have nothing to do with it since you've now decided we are disregarding animal welfare at large.

Sit down, bitch.
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>>4267610
Whatever, retard.
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>>4267601
Biggest that is fairly reasonable is probably a single angelfish (pair will end in thunderdome scenario, not enough space for a trio). You can do discus etc in a 29 but that kind of assumes you're just putting discus in there. With an angel in a tank that size you do need to be careful that you don't over decor.

There are a lot of anabantids in that 4-6ish inch range that are a little easier, pearl and three spot gouramis, and paradise fish if you're willing to test to see if you can get one that wont murder things (cherry barbs and cories have reasonably good chances)

Another option to consider is getting fancy mollies or swordtails, which are both in that 4-6ish inch range as well and come in tons of cool colors. Get a single male to avoid breeding or if heavily enough stocked and lacking cover fry will get gobbled. Or just accept the livebearer factory.

Oddball options would be like a schoudeni puffer (may murder your tank) or african butterfly (will spend all of its time up top and is imo boring). Also something like a big bristlenose could be up there as well.

Another option is a single goldfish, but they will fuck up your plants and will probably eventually get big enough to eat the others in a tank that big.
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>>4266383
Get a trip so people can filter you. Jesus Christ.
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Shit bros, my dad got addicted to feeding the fish, now I got a Bad cyano outbreak and some rather large aiptasia have grown that most likely eat the leftovers. I Plan on getting a Group of about 10 Clibanarius tricolor to eat all the left over food but I am worried my two Clibanarius signatus will wreck the little ones. They never went after snails or anything tho so I might go that Route.

Do Berghias Do their Job on aiptasia? There are some that fuck off way before I can poison them and it fucks me up.

>>4267028
If it evaporates an aquarium can Tank that salinity swing, you just have to refill slowly.
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>>4267802
pretty much nothing eats aiptasia. Blue legs might, but probably not.
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>>4267815
Berghia nudibranches eat exclusively aiptasia from what I know, I just never had them and o n of the little fucks is 20 bucks. I go around with aiptasia X but it seems to only halt them a little.
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Finally got enough plants that my nitrates are slowly declining despite overstocking. Which is good because I'm tired of the flag fish being nippy every time I fuck with the tank, I. E. After every water change.
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>>4254978
It turned out to be a Columnaris infection, managed to take care of it before it spread to any of my expensive fish
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is it bad if I cum into my tank? It's just amino acids and stuff right?
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>>4267964
Thank you :) I will use it as emergency food
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>>4267966
Happy to help, in all honesty though I can imagine shrimp might be able to make use of it and also any filter feeders you have.
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>>4267962
I might be making shit up but I remember reading somewhere that sperm contains trace amounts of zinc that might kill your fish
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>>4267802
Also here is one of the aiptasias I captured, it is day 3 or so in confinement in just a closed cup. It wandered around even, never seen an aiptasia do this in Tank, it looks still healthy despite the shitty condition
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>>4252324
My mantis shrimp is finally running around! He is very curious about me as he watches me afar from the tank while I'm on the pc
I want to add some visual stimulants for him, and was thinking of adding pumping xenia. Overgrowth isn't a problem since it would be the only coral in there anyway.
Also I was thinking of calling him Shanks because of his arm!

>>4267802
>Do Berghias Do their Job on aiptasia?
That's all they can do apparently, so they don't really have a choice other than eat specifically aiptasia.
I would def try berghias first, better than messing with chemicals etc. and should be cheaper too

>https://www.saltyunderground.com/article/6-berghia-nudibranch-the-natural-choice-for-aiptasia-control
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Fish tubers that are almost to irritating to watch? This guy has good interesting knowledge to share, but 90% of his vids are him just being a pretentious stuck up faggot
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Should I try to keep a redfin pickerel in a 29 gal? They are objectively the coolest fish. If you frequent the fishing thread on /out/, I'm the autistic guy that is obsessed with redfin pickerel.
Also, if I do get one, how many minnows should I feed it amd how often?
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>>4268388
I wouldn't. A good rule of thumb is a tank should be at least 6x the length of the fish, at a minimum.
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>>4268346
>Fish tubers that are almost to irritating to watch?
Every single Florida based fishtuber is cringe.
https://youtu.be/NPtrzqbTNP0
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>Day 28
Baby clown patterns are looking even nicer.
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>>4268046
>Also I was thinking of calling him Shanks because of his arm!
Don't their limbs grow back after a couple of sheds?
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>>4268487
Yesss, he's sadly gonna be a Yonkou for a short time ;__;
I'm curious what kinda color he will get after his first molt in my tank, so I will prolly decide the new name then
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>>4268485
WOW incredible pattern!!!
I can def see that one going for >$50
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>>4268046
>>4267802
If you're going the Berghia route which I agree is likely the best solution, keep in mind that getting just one isn't going to be effective. They hunt in groups. It's interesting behavior actually. They will coordinate an attack by surrounding the target aiptasia and closing in. It's kind of weird since the aiptasia isn't going anywhere... but that's how they do it.

It's not like a harlequin shrimp where a single one will completely eradicate even a 120+ gallon tank that is infested with asterina stars. If you do not have enough berghia, you may find they all disappear long before the aiptasia is gone, or they simply do not eat fast enough overtake the aiptasia's rampant growth. Ideally, a few berghia will multiply but as this is a complex, living ecosystem, shit happens and their offspring will not all survive, if at all in some cases.

As for the hermits, even if they were all the same size, I'd be wary of that many. They can get surprisingly territorial in even decently sized tanks. Like I've had a group of 10 Thunderdome it down to three in a 75G.

I personally think a better solution to leftover food is more nassarius snails. They're also funny as fuck to watch.
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>>4267643
Conveniently ignoring my entire post again I see! Again, and really I could just copy pasta, is that the "rescue" means Petco will just buy more. He's not saving shit: he's just killing three more, meaning what HE is doing is useless. I'm not sure you can be so stupid as to not get that. I'll give you a really, really simple example:

You find a dunce cap you want to buy on Amazon, but it's $20 with free shipping, but you're poor as shit in addition to being a simpleton. So you go to eBay and find the same item for $10. You immediately hit Buy It Now but fail to realize that it costs $30 to ship. You have now lost money when your objective was to save money. Similarly, his objective was to save one fish, when he instead doomed three fish. One step forward, three steps back. Try really hard this time.

>>4267652
Nice comeback dude.
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>>4267966
>>4267962
>>4267964
Common myth. Semen doesn't have high protein content. It's about 5%. This is way lower than even an herbivore fish food (usually ~10% protein) or even some rabbit food (Timothy hay is 7-11%).
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>>4268485
I know nothing about these fish but that's fuckin beautiful dude
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>>4268485
how hard would it be to have a saltwater tank with only nemos? i heard they're assholes so you cant keep them in big numbers like freshwater fish
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>>4268612
They‘re pretty ez, but really shine as a pair and in an anemone, which the latter can be hard depending on how you set up the tank

Imo tho, a 20g with established liverock, a BTA, a pair of clowns and a cuc is a very easy starter tank
You basically only have to nail down lighting
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Anybody buy from garden of eder for shrimp lately? How was the quality of the livestock and the shipping times/service? Considering a purchase with them or danquatics since aquatic arts is an omega overpriced meme at this point.
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>>4268628
How often do you have to change water? Do clownfish fuck up macroalgae? I've considered a saltwater tank mostly on the condition that I can use macroalgae to never *need* to do water changes like I have in my freshwater setups. I have basically RO water out of the tap which I suppose would be an advantage for saltwater, but in freshwater I try to limit changes to keep my minerals up.

How retarded would it be to try guppies with clowns? I've also heard anemones are hard while saltwater fish alone aren't that hard. Really clownfish are the only saltwater fish I look at and think "man, I wish we had freshwater ones". It's mostly the inverts that are much cooler to me, but they're also where I hear all of the difficulty in saltwater comes from.
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>>4268640
Based on what you're looking for, saltwater isn't for you anon.
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>>4268640
Freshwater fish will tolerate shitty water because they often encounter it in the wild. Saltwater fish will not.
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>>4268667
yeah. I've pretty much determined that over time. I don't enjoy water or technology autism, just plant autism. And coral autism is too much autism for me. There's no shortage of jewtubers out there telling you that SALTWATER IS JUST AS EZ AS FRESH JUST 1 MORE PARAMETER BROS CHECK OUT MY 2.5 GALLON PICOREEF
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Is it possible to go full water parameter autistic and balance things so as to have a simultaneously successful population of neocardina and cardina shrimp in one tank?
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Finally started my dry start, bros. It's happening. Nice bit of humidity in there now, lights off of course. I figure I start at 10 hours of light, 2 mistings a day and once a day airing out to let the CO2 exchange. I got Excel at the ready for mold/algae. Only at least 4-5 weeks to go before I can flood it and get some puffers in there (and more plants too.)
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>>4268851
How it's going
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>>4268640
A FOWLR tank really isn't that hard, but I would still say it is more expensive to start and operate than a freshwater tank. With FOWLR (i.e. live rock and two clownfish in your case), you don't have to worry about expensive lighting and flow, or testing the big seven (SG, KH, PO4, NO3, Ca, Mg, pH) nor dosing. Both cycling and reaching tank maturity takes like four times longer in saltwater. But doing this you'd be missing out on the anemone + clownfish interaction. The clownfish don't NEED the anemone (and you can technically get a fake one for them to be hosted in) but it's just not as fun without.

I do have a mixed reef nano (20G + 5G sump) with anemone and clownfish that hasn't had a water change since last year but it took a LONG ass time to get to that level of balance and it is not by any means a cheap system. As far as I've experienced, clownfish do not bother with macro algae, however last time I tried ornamental macro outside the sump, my tuxedo urchin demolished it overnight.

It's also very discouraging if something goes wrong, as something can go wrong extremely fast but the fix is almost always difficult and lengthy, not to mention often expensive.

>>4268788
I've done it. It's really not that hard. The issue is more of which population do you want the better yields. You can kind of do in the middle where they will both have okay spawning rates but you will never have insane spawning rates of either no matter how you swing it as you would in a species-only system.
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>>4268867
Reef shit and salt water puffers almost convinced me to go that route because it was very cool, but I do just love the lush greenery of freshwater.

I'd take a picture and show my new dry start set up but it's not much to look at.
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>>4268853
What happened to the other 2? Gouramis?
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>In a part of town I never visit, because city traffic can go fuck itself, while out on a delivery
>Drive past little aquarium
>Go back after delivery
>All saltwater
>The really pretty fish needs a larger aquarium and borderline dedicated copepod breeding sump
>There are actually frags for less than $100NZD

Gonna be a few fuggin hours of OT for the next couple months...
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>>4268547
Thanks for the advice, I will get like 4 berghias or so (80 bucks AAAAAAHHHH)
I never knew they had this behaviour, that's fucking awesome! I just worry they might starve sooner or later, maybe I will Set up an aiptasia only Tank, I have a 30 Liter cube I don't use and I got >>4268010 captured so I can feed the berghias some. I like nudibranches and it seems like berghias are the only ones possible to keep.

I got only one regular nassarius in my 160 liters, maybe that really is too little of a nassarius Crew, I also got some tiny snails that breed in my tank and look just like nassarius snails, three emerald crabs and the two hernits. LFS sold me also an sand sifting starfish but I am a retard and didn't Research before buying and I worry he might Stärke, he is alive in the Tank for about 5 months now.
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>>4267716
>>4268554
That was my first reply. Take your fucking meds.
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>>4268554
So if you keep fish at all you're a fish murderer and if you don't why are you here?
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>>4268640
desu I think inverts are easier, because they have a very low bioload, you can just buy a good HOB filter like the tidal seachem, and call it a day with a once a month 50% waterchange. The thing that makes anemone hard is basically the light and having to have somewhat stable parameters. I don't believe you need a matured 6-9 month tank tho, get some good liverock and you're good to go imo

I'm actually running a waterchange free tank right now, or it has been running around 3 weeks without one now, I do have a refugium with chaeto tho.
Otherwise look into "Donovans Nitrate Destroyer", basically an anoxic reactor to remove nitrate
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>>4268971
I would try to see if you can buy used, normally a lot cheaper.

>The really pretty fish needs a larger aquarium and borderline dedicated copepod breeding sump
lol mandarin dragonet right? Still waiting for captive bred ones to get more common. Basically impossible to get here in europe, so you can only try your luck with weaning it onto other food
Such a beautiful fish
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>>4268881
There's 3 in there, I returned one to lfs for being aggressive
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>>4269062
Lol, ye.
Not exactly teeming here in NZ, only seen them in one shop. I'd be happy with just a couple lightning maroon clowns and a dragonet.
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>>4268749
Why not just get a 5-15 gallon tank, fill it with plants, and a couple really tiny species like microrasboras or shrimp?
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>>4269167
I have a shrimp tank like that that is literally zero maintenance, dont even feed it. Have one badis to control their population in there other than that the only input is light. Still get enough breeding i have to remove some occasionally.
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Anyone keep hornwort? People say it's too easy to grow yet mine are just turning yellow and shedding like crazy. I'm free floating it too. Any idea to why it's like this? Do I need to lower flow/lights?
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I didn't know you could harm hornwort. I have it in my tanks and it's more fecund than duckweed.

If you're worried about flow, anchor it to the substrate. You can plant one side (or the middle) of a stem, or just shove it under some hardscape or whatever. But you'd have to be torrential to impact it from my experience. And I don't think you can give it too much light, the worst that's happened from "over" lighting for me is the tips turn pink.
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>>4269191
I have a feeling the quality of hornwort from the place I got it isn't the highest. It's only been in my tank for about 1.5 weeks, not sure if it's melting because it's new or there's something wrong in the tank.

Is it a better idea if I just use a separate box without flow to propogate them first?
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>>4269196
Oh that's just that it's new then, most plants shed leaves in a new environment and my hornwort lost probably half the leaves when I added it. Just leave it be, if the stems aren't rotting it'll be fine.

Its nothing to do with quality of the plant, and entirely to do with changes in parameters. If you're super worried, yes, you can move some tank water into a small container, sit it in indirect sunlight, and let the hornwort grow out a bit, but that's really unnecessary. I think my first hornwort took about two weeks to start growing, and within a month after that I was pulling handfuls out every couple of days. If you provide any level of light and nitrates to feed on, hornwort will take the fuck off.



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