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>>4026445
Old thread

Frosted tails edition
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My dog is getting spayed tomorrow.

We live in a 2-bedroom townhouse, so the room we usually keep her in is the living room and she always jumps on the couch and chaise lounge to sleep. When she plays with her toys, she has a habit of doing a running jump onto the couch with them.

How can I prevent her from jumping on the couches after her surgery to avoid complications? Keeping her in a bedroom is not ideal as the bedrooms are upstairs and we want to avoid her having to walk up and down the stairs for potty.

Also we don’t have a fenced in backyard, we have to walk our dogs to a designated dog potty area in the estate for townhouse residents. Our back door to the backyard has a high porch, so she’d have to walk down stairs to go onto the grass to use it. We have a front yard, but we’ve been trying to avoid her peeing on it to prevent yellow stains on our grass.

What do we do?
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>>4035062
Forgot pic. Not our house, but the layout is very similar to what our living room layout looks like.
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please say something nice about her
she was my best friend
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>>4035062
By running jumps on the couch, I’m specifically referring to when she gets the zoomies.

When she gets the zoomies, she runs through the whole living room and runs on and off the couches.

Not sure how to prevent this after she’s spayed.
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Does /dog/ like Gus?
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I want a dog
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>>4035124
No, does Gus like Los Pollos Hermannos/10 ?

>>4035062
>>4035086

dog nazi here. that is why dogs NEED structure in their daily life and why general dog husbandry NEEDS crate training, training a dog to be calm on command, preventing dogs to play inside like maniacs, preventing them from jumping on furniture etc.

your dog will likely be out of it from the meds and in pain after for a few days. use those. after that, take her out on slow walks that are long enough to make her not become insane inside.

why is the dog being spayed in the first place?

>>4035077
she was too nice for this shitty world, that's why she had to go. don't be sad she's gone, be happ she was here.../10
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>>4035130
Dogs have never needed any of this. Kenneling after surgery can be done regardless, the dog will calm down and get used to it in a day.

Dogs have also never needed spayed until they're pretty old and calmed down
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>>4035130
Because the vet said I should
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>>4035124
i like
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>>4035130
>why is the dog being spayed in the first place?

Because we’d like to take her to dog parks in the future to socialize with other dogs, and we’ve been looking into dog boarding places for several events we have coming up this year. Most dog boarding and dog parks near us require dogs to be spayed/neutered and our family is unreliable when we ask them to watch our dog.

Plus, we just want our dog to socialize with other dogs without the risk of DeShawn’s intact pitbull getting my dog pregnant.
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>>4035251
Plus, since we live in a townhouse community, I need to take my dog to the designated public dog potty area for her to do her business. And, I don’t need a neighbor’s male dog to come near her if she happens to be in heat.
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>>4035251
if the males are required to be neutered then you shouldn't have to worry about the girl getting knocked up.
And if she does, sue them or just get a doggie abortion.
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i heard some people brush their dogs teeth. is this actually beneficial or a waste of time, given their relatively short lives?
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>>4035260
It makes excellent money for the vets!
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>>4035259
If a place requires males need to be neutered then the females will need to be spayed. Most of these places require all dogs to be spayed/neutered to be allowed in.

This isn’t rural bumblefuck bible belt world where you can let your dog run free on acres of farmland. This type of shit is required in suburban/metropolitan areas where houses are right next to each other.
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>>4035251
>Because we’d like to take her to dog parks
Dont. Dog parks are full of retarded owners. Take her to a controlled environment like a day camp or group training classes instead. Usually only males are required to be neutered, at least in places were I live. Other than that, benefits from socialization comes before 16 weeks. Older than that and it's not much of a benefit (but it is helpful nonetheless)
Past that age you will mostly focus on reactivity with other dogs, and while actual interaction certainly is a way to do it, it is not necessary. Simply taking it to pet stores and watching other dogs come and go (again a much more controlled environment) will do just as good
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>>4035310
>>4035251
I just wouldn't go to those places. train your dog and you don't have to mutilate them and predispose them to $20,000 in vet bills.
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>>4035332
you have no idea how urbanites are. for starters these people really have no business owning dogs. their idea of fun is driving three hours with the whole family to spend money on stuff and then driving three hours back. and their dog is mostly an extra cheap kid so their primary goal is watching them be cute in dog parks.
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>>4035337
>you have no idea how urbanites are. for starters these people really have no business owning dogs.

I say it basically in every thread but city dogs are usually better behaved, better socialied, better trained and generally better taken care of because commie block renters HAVE TO DO THESE THIGNS. meanwhile, yardcucks just toss their dogs in the yard and expect it to do the work for them. which it doesn't.
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>>4035332
Memorize those health conditions brother. You don't want anyone to think your dog is intact because you're fucking them daily.
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>>4035492
>implying they don't already just know
you can tell with some people
they're way too into their large female dog
and they're a single white male
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>>4035492
iykyk
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>>4035496
>yiffers, get the rope
oooh
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These borders look like clouds
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>>4035503
white dogs are more convenient for many reasons
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>>4035503
*borkers
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>>4035503
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>>4035505
ikr
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>>4035077
She looks really sweet, and her nose speckles are adorable. Sucks to lose such a good friend but hang onto all the good memories

>>4035124
Gus is very cute!
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>>4035317
I do what I want you retarded cuck
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>>4035062

Can you set up a pen within the living room for her if she isn't used to a crate? Put a nice bed for her in it.

>>4035130

I fully agree with this anon. My puppy broke a growth plate off a bone and it was absolutely vital that she didn't use her leg for six weeks after getting surgery. The vet that did the first surgery thoroughly fucked it up so my puppy had to get another surgery by an orthopedic specialist which made that she spent 10 weeks on absolute crate rest, as opposed to six. It was no problem for her however because she was fully used to her crate as her place to sleep and that has been crucial for her recovery. With her I had the advantage however that I bred the litter she is from myself and I got them used to being in a crate from a few weeks of age, like I would put them into the crate when I did the daily deep cleanse of their pen (in the living room, of course), they would protest a little at first but it would quickly be a big ol sleeping puppy pile, so it was never an issue for any of them, neither was being crated at their new home. During the first year of life I regularly crate my dogs during the day to ensure they get enough rest, next to mental stimulation and exercise. Once they are fully grown they still like to sleep in one by their own choice and I never close the door of their crate then.
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>>4035496
Will the rope be knotted?
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>>4034968
My dog fucked up most of things in my living room. How can I train her to completely stop biting on things? She does it less frequent then before and mostly when I'm away. Is almost year and a half too late for crate training?
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>>4035565
Forgot to mention she also barks at/chases cars that go by us which has made me reluctant to release her unless in controlled conditions. I do always try to pull attention to myself when car is passing by
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>>4035260

Most dogs get tartar builtup over their lifespan. Tartar will eventually petrify and make their gums bleed and infected. t's really bad for their health (heart problems have a direct link to bad mouth hygiene for example) and dogs with gross teeth stink. Most dogs will need a teeth sanitation by a vet in their life but you can try and prevent this by regularly removing the tartar yourself from a young age and feeding them correctly. I use those hook thingies that dentists also use to remove crud from my dogs' teeth and it works well.
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>>4035482
This. So if a dog has to be neutered to do these things, it’s one small price to pay for a dog to have a fulfilling life. Plus, not everyone lives on a farm or can afford to stay home all day with a dog to train it.

One could argue that if you need to be out of the house for several hours at a time, then you shouldn’t get a dog, but I’ve seen many happy and healthy dogs living in city environments.

In the end, dogs are animals. They’re more intelligent than a wild animal, but they’re still animals. Plus there are as many medical risks in not spaying a dog as there is in spaying a dog, such as cancer, pyrometra, etc
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>>4035482
>city dogs are usually better behaved and better socialized

Oh I’m sure they are, but sometimes I wonder how people who live in an apartment in a place like NYC with a dog, especially an absolute unit like this I saw in Manhattan one day.

Plus with puppies and potty training—I can’t imagine how you would get them outside asap if you’re living on a high floor of an apartment building. Imagine getting a puppy on a crowded elevator.
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ok so my last dog, min pin mix, was a rescue and very bad at playing
resource guarded hard and generally didn't like toys or playing at all
his replacement, a min pin jrt mix puppy
LOVES toys and playing and games etc. but because of my last dog i'm worried about making him resource guarder and no fun allowed
how do i surmount this?
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>>4035635
New yorkk is riddled with parks both regular and dog. And walks on the sidewalk arent much worse than a walk in the woods. Potty training a dog on the 5th floor was a challenge. I ended up cleaning messes off the stairs a few times.
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Keep your smelly shitbeasts on a leash
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Why does my princess always insist on dropping the ball -JUST- far enough away from me that I have to move?
She literally hates to drop it too close to me when we play catch and its really annoying.
If I insist she brings it closer, she'll scream at me before she does it.
If I get closer and shorten the distance of the trow, she will still drop it like 5 feet away from me.
GSD black lab mix.
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>>4035748
distance of the throw****
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>>4035077
beautiful speckled face. hope she kept you busy and active
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>>4035742
My baby WILL run up to you and do a flip off your leg on the hiking trail
You WILL think its cute
I WILL laugh and throw out a token apology
You WILL cope and do nothing
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>>4035565
Use bitterant spray.
>>4035568
So for 99% of training, I use rewards, spray bottle and time out only but when my dog does something that can endanger its life (walking in street off leash or running too far away out of sight) , I am uniquely harsh and aggressive and will spank. It leaves an impression when you use it sparingly.
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>>4035748
She might want you to be more active when playing with her.
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>>4035778
Why would she care about MY level of activity though?
When we go play catch, I'll do like 40 throws total and she's panting by the end.
We also tug and I am very active doing that so IDK why she insists on seeing me exert myself somewhat when we throw.
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>>4035782
She knows you don't do enough cardio outside of play time anon.
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>>4035784
we also jog together like 3x weekly. Granted, she's just prancing while I struggle to maintain 6 MPH on the hills
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>>4035568
>>4035565
what do you do to entertain and train the dog? this sounds mostly like seperation anxiety, boredom and no crate training... binge this channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/lklencho

>>4035635
dogs are supposed to be RESTING and CALM inside. playing inside usually results in injury. if you take them out enough and you play with them and make them work enough according to their breed, sex, age and health you can live with a dog in a shoebox... puppy potty breaking is hard, more so on a high floor. but you got yourself into this then...

>>4035748
first. Pwincess is nice. second, retrain the COME! command and make the dog actually come up to you and touch your hand.

>>4035782
>Why would she care about MY level of activity though?

not him but it often is the case. you just throwing the ball will often not do it really that much for some dogs. if you start acting cray, having fun and show strain it may give the dog a second wind to play more and more intensely...
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>>4035843
I'll work on the COME command but I didn't used to incorporate it into catch. I guess i should then?
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>>4035785
Yeah you need some more cardio OR leg strength, I'd recommend doing some longer low intensity hikes with weight
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>>4035748
I had the same problem with my pup.
Hows your recall? You need to train your dog to come all the way up to you regularly. You just need to teach it that coming up all the way to you will always grant a reward (for now). It also sounds like you're throwing the toy too far right now. Only throw it a few feet away and start the training there. I would also first start by training a "hold it" and "drop it" command stationary. That will help immensely because the dog will know that dropping an object in your hand is what it should do and yields a reward.
Other than that. Do NOT come up to the dog when it drops the toy away from you. Keep them on a leash and simply wait it out. Dont let them get further away and dont pull them toward you. Simply wait them out until they come to you by only saying come ONCE. It may take a few seconds, or several minutes, but itll get the idea eventually
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>>4035541
>Can you set up a pen within the living room for her if she isn't used to a crate? Put a nice bed for her in it.

She has a crate with a comfy bed. She’s not fully trained yet, in that she cries if I leave the room while she’s in it during the day, but she will sleep in it through the night. She doesn’t sit there and throw up her bed around in distress to get out anymore. She just whimpers and grunts if she doesn’t want to be in the crate anymore.

We tried a pen when we first got her, but she wasn’t having it as she kept trying to climb out. Plus the pen itself wasn’t super sturdy and I was scared she was going to hurt herself while climbing.

We could try confining her to the kitchen, but we’d have to get two gates to close it off.

I will probably just end up supervising her at all times when she’s out of the crate for the next 2 weeks and make sure she doesn’t get the zoomies.
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>>4035541
Your dog is weak and frail
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I masturbate my dog to completion daily. It cuts her exercise requirements in half, and i dont enjoy it, so it’s totally legal. Try it. I have the calmest most obedient poodle on the block.
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>>4035894
I know its cold in Canada but this is no excuse
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>>4035895
I’m from wyoming so its doubly legal, also its fine, you dont even get your hands dirty or put anything inside. You just rub the bottom part a little. The tail wagging and cuddles afterwards are cute.
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>>4035894
>her
a female dog which in not heat doesnt like when you touch its cookie.

as far as i know there was a research which proves that female dogs cant "finish". but the research/me can be wrong.

i like in which maneer you have posted. i didnt know that dogs behave after orgasm just like people - they're getting lazy!

i thought this was a nofap schizo fallacy, but your post proves that you feel too relaxed after finishing. so your post is scientific.
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>>4035914
It depends. I started when she was in heat, so she knows what i’m doing and enjoys it. When i finish she does a few spins and settles down panting before cleaning herself off and going to sleep next to me. Then she is lazy and overly attached for the rest of the day. Female dogs can not finish with male dogs, but a human with an anatomy diagram is a different story.

I walk her every 2-3 days now because she’s more than happy indoors. If you have a dog with their sex hormones its almost cruel not to do this. Bitches in heat will pester for sex hourly, and when they figure out their other options, out of heat gets, heated
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>>4035894
based poodlechad
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>>4035894
Was hot until you mentioned it was a poodle yuck, you're only supposed to do sexual things with the attractive dog breeds that look wolfy
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>>4035925
Yes, this disappointed me either. I have been waiting for a husky or at least GSPD
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>>4035925
Fuck you poodles are hot, by dog standards. I'm not attracted to them at all but if I was a dog I would be. I'm only doing this for practical reasons.
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>>4035761
>Use bitterant spray.
Any particular brand that works the best?
>So for 99% of training, I use rewards, spray bottle and time out only but when my dog does something that can endanger its life (walking in street off leash or running too far away out of sight) , I am uniquely harsh and aggressive and will spank. It leaves an impression when you use it sparingly.
Thanks!


>>4035843
>what do you do to entertain and train the dog? this sounds mostly like seperation anxiety, boredom and no crate training... bi
I walk her at least 4 times a day for at least 20 min. Usually more. We run into other dogs often but I don't release her as much due to her recent chasing of cars.
I have large backyard (round 4000 mˇ2) where I play catch and like with here where she is loose. She is very high energy so it might be boredom on her part. I will try to dedicate more quality time
She isn't crate trained
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This is my Bloodhound pup Henry
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>>4036018
you should know not to leave your dogs out in the sun. look what happens.
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>>4035494
i got a male dog to throw those people off our scent
i don't mind being a bit gay when he's this handsome
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You guys don't seriously touch your dogs do you?
Is this some board meme to filter newfags?
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>>4035494
>>4036081

Man am I glad it's 10x easier for normies to accept that a male dog is still intact. Saves me a lot of hassle explaining why my King Shepherd boi is still packing
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>>4036097
i don't know what you're insinuating but we would never
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>>4036097
Yeah there's totally not a thread on /b/ right now for people to chat about that
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>>4036115
the /b/ stands for "Black dicks spammed 24/7 by shills"
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This is my great pyrenees/rhodesian ridgeback mix Taz
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>>4036097
>touch
oh yeah, we touch them alright

we touch them all over their bellies and they LOVE it
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>>4035850
I'm too tired to explain in detail so I looked up a video that explains REWARD PLACEMENT well, understand it, apply it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6uEwPveNXQ

>>4035976
>I walk her at least 4 times a day for at least 20 min.

I'd say twice for 40 mins is better and you'd actually save time.

>Usually more. We run into other dogs often but I don't release her as much due to her recent chasing of cars.

dog on dog running and play in a safe fenced in park is crucial for most dogs. they should get to do that as often as possible.

>I have large backyard (round 4000 mˇ2) where I play catch and like with here where she is loose.

great. get some variety in there. puzzle games with obedience like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZx2z8veZ7Y

or treibball, tug with you, play wrestling and chase with you, nosework, hide and seek in the tall grass/shrubs... just do fun stuff.

>She is very high energy so it might be boredom on her part. I will try to dedicate more quality time

yes. 20mins is not that much, most dogs can spend that running and will not be that winded after. incorporate mental exercise in there with it and it should work much better.

>She isn't crate trained

well do that then too?

>>4035914
why are you posting other people's dogs?

>>4036018
Henry VIII/10

>>4036081
if Gitler's Blondie was a boi/10

>>4036147
Taz Tazmania/10
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>crate Training your dog
Most retarded meme ever
That's even worse than chaining your dog up
When my dogs got neutered they just had to take it slow for a few weeks and walk with a cone, no need to become a full on Karen and start popping benzos by the bucket load any time your dog moves around like that aussie sissy here
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>>4035914
no fap is legitimate, especially the pornography part.
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How do you get your dog to stick to a 30-40 meter radius of you when out without a leash? Did I mess up by not walking him off leash as a puppy? Should I just use an e-collar?
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dog training is gay. I never did that shit and I never will
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>>4036266
The concept itself or literal classes?
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>>4036266
K, have fun when your dog gets run over by a car or eats a bunch of chocolate it finds on the ground.
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>>4036274
you think a dog wont listen to you unlese you spend 15 minutes a day saying a command, then YES! and giving a treat?
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>>4036279
How the fuck is it suppose to know what come or leave it means if you never teach it?

And yes, training creates more obedience so its far less likely to ignore your orders to stop chase cars or horses.
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>>4036284
So you never walk your dog outside without a leash?
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>>4036282
it learn what you want from you talking to it as you go through life. none of these faggot ass training sessions. if the dog love you it do what you want.
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>>4036284
im gonna execute you pibbul on sight if he has bad body language and bites my dog and I will look at you next and keep an eye on your hands, fair warning
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who the fuck want to walk a dog that is in lockstep beside you? that shit gay. why am I even walking this dog if not for him to explore and smell all that is around? might as well put it on treadmill
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>>4036287
Most retarded thing I've ever heard. Dogs don't understand English. They are not humans, they are dogs. Just because your dog loves you does not mean it will follow your commands it doesn't even understand. You've never owned a dog have you?
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>>4036294
I have owned five
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>>4036291
dont worry me and my dog avoid the gay part of town so we never meet
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>>4036300
I may just kill the nigbull it if it growls honestly, fucking hate those abominations and their homo erectus owners
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lmao, shook
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OMG quit shitting up the general just because you got called out for being a stupid pavement ape with a nigbull thats a ticking time bomb. Go to reddit if you want to be worshipped for being a brown person with a dog
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Intact female bros, how do you guys deal with heat cycles? I don't mind mopping up once a week but she's really dripping all over the place. Do you put her in dog diapers? Do you just mop daily during the cycle? Any tips or tricks?
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>>4036332
Buy some underpants for her. Take them off when you go out for the bathroom.
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>>4036332
same way I deal with wife and daughter. they stay in guest shed.
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He passed away two days ago from kidney failure.

My mom got him for me on my 15th birthday, and he has been in my life every day for 14 years.

Did anybody ever feel any resentment after your dog passed away? Like you didn't do enough to make his last days as comfortable possible?

Since his kidneys weren't functioning, toxins built up in his body to the point where he would barely eat, drink, or move around because he felt so sick. I wish I could have given him steak every day and shown him the world.
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>>4035062
Hemp chews to calm her down?
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>>4035077
Beautiful puppy eyes and cute markings.
>was
Did you lose her...?
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>>4035124
Yes.
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>>4035936
If I was a dog I would want her hair
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>>4036352
No, living in a house with a human getting at least some daily affection is better from their perspective than you can possibly imagine, never worry if your dog feels happy if you're covering the basics
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>>4036018
He bootiful
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>>4036352
Yes, everyday and even now.
My brown lab died of cancer, and it was a horrible way to go. I feel guilty, like I wasn't kind enough to her or anything.
My other dog is getting older and I'm starting to feel the same way again, like I wasn't good enough.
I'm so sorry anon for your loss. You did enough for your dog and more, even if you feel like you didn't. Your dog loved and appreciated all that you did.
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WTF WHY DOES MY MALE DOG HAVE EIGHT FEMALE NIPPLES?!
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My grandpa passed away last night and left his 10 month old GSD/malinois mix to me. He took the dog from my uncle after he saw how bad he was neglecting him but wasn’t able to train the dog himself due to his age. The dog doesn’t seem aggressive and tends to back away from strangers but warms up to new people fast when they feed him. Can he still be house trained and socialized at 10 months with no previous training? I want to crate train him and be able to take him in public. It was my grandpa’s wish for me to take the dog so I don’t want to rehome him.
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>>4035124
hell yeah
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>>4036251
Lol same
I had to force me to fap to them to return them all
They were all into animals
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>>4036404
why do you have two?
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dutch has reviewed the tape and has decided more nose shovels are needed
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I tried a different brand of treats because the usual ones were out of stock. I went home and ordered bulk online to make sure it doesn't happen again but these interim snacks have my baby constipated. She's been irritated all day and trying to poop but only getting a tiny bit at a time. Any remedies to help loosen it up in the meantime?
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>>4036386
I don't even feel like I deserve to own another dog right now. I hope that changes in the future.

Thanks for the kind words anon, I hope he did. Sorry for your loss as well.
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>>4036465
Water and then exercise
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>>4036305
(You)
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>>4036467
don't do what i did, i decided on a new dog right away while i wasn't thinking straight and i've had regrets for years
give yourself at least several months to get through the mourning process and thinking about what you want for the future
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>>4036147

That's an interesting mix. How is his temperament? I can see both breeds very clearly in him.
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I honestly believe in the rainbow bridge, we are going to meet again with our dogs someday bros...
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>>4036406

Absolutely. For the housebreaking just treat him like a puppy that just came out of the litter, you can look up how that works online. If he is a bit fearful that is probably his nature, malinois/gsd are dogs with a very nervous energy. If you take him out and give him postive exleriences he should gradually improve but be careful you don't overload him mentally either, that happens quite easily with these highstrung breeds.
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>>4036438

Adorable
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>>4036465

Give her some sunflower oil or fish oil for lubrication and get her exercising. Keep an eye on her, if she doesn't pass a big log soon or starts vomiting or gets diarrhea take her to the vet.
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>>4036513
and if you beat your dog he will team up with all the other abused dogs to rip you apart forever in the afterlife
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>>4036465
Bananas, plain greek yogurt and pumpkin
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>>4036519
>sunflower oil or fish oil for lubrication
oh my god anon
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>>4036474
>>4036519
>>4036528
Thanks anons, I truly appreciate your help
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>>4036510
>I honestly believe in the rainbow bridge, we are going to meet again with our dogs someday bros...

if we do not and there is an afterlife, fuck it. I don't want it. it's a lie and a scam.

>>4036465
hope you learned your lesson to NEVER just let your dog binge on any new food. ALWAYS sneak it in a piece or two at a time. try getting her to drink more. maybe even a nice bowl of warm bone broth... water makes them shit. if after 24hrs there is no improvement, rush to the emergency vet.

>>4036438
so jelly you get to post your MALE dog. these psychos here have ruined an....

>>4036406
>Can he still be house trained and socialized at 10 months with no previous training? I want to crate train him and be able to take him in public. It was my grandpa’s wish for me to take the dog so I don’t want to rehome him.

ofc. just stat binge watching:

https://www.youtube.com/user/lklencho/videos

>>4036380
that's real garbage. if your dog isn't your oen passion and hobby in life, don't get one. why would you? it's sooo much work, if you do not enjoy it it's just a hassle.

>>4036293
you do not understand dog training and husbandry and psychology. pls do not get a dog. thx.


>>4036249
>>4036213
>making sure dog is safe
>making sure dog will not be traumatied if they have to be crated
>making sure the dog is prepared for the possibility of you getting killed and needing to be rehomed
>bad

pls never get a dawg

>>4036249
>nothing in life BUT their dog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGSKrC7dGcY
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>>4036532
made me shed a tear for Anon's Jasmine/10

;_; RIP JAS
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i got a 5 month old puppy and lately she is starting to bite again, but this time her biting seems to be more like frustration rather than the playful nipping when she was a couple months old (which she still sometimes does every now and then when she gets really excited)
Is this just the teething that is causing this? since the first day i got her at 8 weeks she is constantly biting on something, she really cant go more than 30 seconds without chewing on something, which is a real hassle when trying to get her to settle down
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>>4036546
what breed? do you feed her with anything "chewy"? while thy mature, alls orts of behaviours can come and go multiple times. give it times. prevent/preempt unwanted behaviours by distraction (say going for walks) and redirection (say giving the do something they can chew, ideally something edible, a half frozen whole mackerel is a good choice)
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>>4036548
She's a border collie mixed breed
I mostly feed her kibble with a bit of frozen carrots and bananas. She has chew toys and edible chewables like chicken rolls.
Thing is she will bite on something for 5 minutes then move on to something else. If I put her in a room with nothing on it she will start chewing up the carpet, rug, walls, corners of the door etc.
I actually got her nipping under control but lately its starting to come back, and as mentioned it seems a bit more aggressive this time. Couple days ago I took her for a walk and she seemed to get frustrated out of nowhere and bit my thigh hard, drew a little bit of blood
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>>4036568
go here too and start binging:

https://www.youtube.com/user/lklencho/videos

you need to start giving the dog basically a military structure lifestyle. walks, playtime, obedience training, rest, food, bizniz breaks. set up a schedule that prevents these unwanted behaviours and stick to it. make everythign a brain game, even eating by feeding her from a KONG:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EuY98sRPb8

but also train teh resting on command and being calm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wesm2OpE_2c

>chewing up the carpet, rug, walls, corners of the door etc.

will get her hurt or worse.
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>>4036521
>this is our sons room, he likes dogs
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As someone who has said their entire life they would never have a small dog, here I am now with this creature. Any ideas on how to tackle her eye stains? Going to grab teae wipes from the pet store tomorrow but I'm guessing that's not going to be enough.
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>>4036568

Sounds like a typical border collie. She nipped you because it was a redirection of something she saw that was triggering her. You need to do something with her mental capacities because the behavior you described is that of a dog that is bored out of her skull. Why did you get a border collie bte? Did you know they have a tendency for being neurotic when they get either too little mental stimulation or too much?
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>>4036533
i'd sniff dog's butt before any play, the smell is very exciting and then you act like an animal, forceful and delightful
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>>4036542
>if your dog isn't your oen passion and hobby in life, don't get one
Is this b8?
You realize there a people out there who are surpassing you in all aspects in life who ALSO have happy healthy dogs too, right?
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Will a dog eat frozen hot dogs?
I have this neglected dog that drops by at random and I want some cheap handy treats that require minimal prep.
No, I don't want to microwave anything or prepare any sort of special packaging. Alternatively I guess I can thaw it out and leave it at the fridge, but it might go bad. But I guess dogs can eat slightly bad hot dogs.
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>>4036733
frozen meat may be too hard, id just get frozen berries, dogs LOVE frozen blueberries
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>>4036733
or just some cheap ass bulk peanutbutter
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>>4036738
Need to be filling, the people that own him don't feed him. Peanut butter seems to be calorie dense so maybe I'll go with that. Do I just give him a plastic spoon full of the stuff?
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>>4036644

Could be her tear ducts are just badly formed, which in breeds with malformed heads (chihuahua is among them) is very common. Could also be her diet causes it. There are special products groomers use to remove tear stains. I hear of people using a peroxide solution but I would be careful with that, eyes are senstive things.
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>>4036739

buying it a bag of actual dog food and feed it that. If he doesn't get fed shit like hotdogs and peanut butter will just upset his system and at best give him the shits. You can just sprinkle the dog food around for him on the ground.
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>>4036739
>the people that own him don't feed him
Call the cops then and take the dog. Feed it dog food if you truly think it gets nothing
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>>4036744
Yeah, I'm fairly certain that it only eats garbage. Escalating it to the point of involving authorities seems like a handful. Specially when the garbage eating dog has probably attracted the attention of said authorities. Either way, it'll be probably put to sleep if it does get taken away so its a lose-lose for the skinny boy.
I'm not really a dog person, nor can I guarantee my continued ability to care for it in the theoretical scenario where I take ownership of it. This work from home shit has lasted two years, but who knows when I have to go back to the salt mine. I feel bad for it so I definitely try to help it when I run into it, but I only typically see it once to twice a week, and I don't always have food on hand to give it.
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>>4036754
dogs are in huge demand, euthanasia is unlikely.
Also better to be euthanized than hit by a truck and choking on blood on the side of the road.
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>>4036758
>Dogs are in demand
Its a mongrel so it holds no value here. It kind of looks like that dog from the simpsons but no tail and much smaller.
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>>4036760
people love ugly dogs
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>>4036242
Does he come to you every time when called if he's closer? If not back to basics - train first with 10 m leash
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Is my dog's collar too tight? I can easily fit my fingers though it and pull but his neck fluff gives me anxiety sometimes looking at it
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>>4036870
Depends.
It needs to be tight if its the only restraint and the dog isn't trained well but if you use an additional choke collar (which you almost certainly should be using) it can be very loose.
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>>4036873
choke collar with prongs to be specific.
Choke collars w/o prongs are a bad idea
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>>4036571
>>4036651
Obedience training is going well. We have a structured schedule that we routinely follow and feeding is currently only by hand and kong, sometimes through a slow feeder bowl if I'm busy with something.
She goes to puppy play time and group plays in dog parks a few times a week as well.
My main problem is getting her to settle down. I am not exaggerating when I say I have not once seen her settle down on her own for more than 10 seconds, she immidiately goes off to chew something, so I never get a chance to capture the behaviour.
If she gets an hour of puppy play time with others and then i bring her home, she will continue to be energetic unless I put her in her crate to rest.
I'm just hoping this chewing is mostly from the teething. I still redirect her when she's chewing on something she's not supposed to
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>>4036958
Retard. Dogs will literally choke themselves to the point of being oxygen deprived on choke collards w/o prongs because it doesn't hurt to pull. Prong collars only hurt when they pull and totally prevent choking because the dog will not pull.
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>>4036981
Ok, im sure you have a special reason that the advice of 95% of professional dog trainers doesn't apply to you
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>>4036993
>alpha man macho e-persona
>thinks the prongs are scary hurty
lmao
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please stop abusing your dogs
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>>4037001
but prong collars dont cause permanent damage you fucking moron.....
or any damage at all for that matter
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>>4036733
>>4036739

don't feed a strange dog FROZEN human foods. get a few trays of wet dog food instead. at least this will have some vitamins and calcium too...

>>4036754
>>4036760
take the dog, take it to the vet, have it vaxed, dewormed, given anti tick and lice stuff like Simparica Trio, wash it with medical shampoo. have the dog chipped and registered with you. collect all the bills for proof. CONGRATS! you have a dog now. ances are 90 the "owners" will not care. who says the dog wasn't run over and died?

>>4036741
>>4036644

there are all sorts of home remedies of dubious value. go see a groomer and have the coat cleared out there, this will be the most useful solution. a vet may also be a good idea to consult.

>>4036879
>unless I put her in her crate to rest.

do that then. crate. if she can't have a bed in there without eating it, no bed then. set her up for success in the crate by not randomly throwing her in there but AFTER a good session of obedience training with physical exercise and exposure therapy like letting her meet bikers, cars, runners, anything really. one good thing I like to do it the "remote controlled dog" where you give commands like LEFT!, RIGHT!, FORWARD!, BACK! and the dog does that. it's a less pretentious take on the legacy AWAY! and COME BY! commands of shepherds... for actually BITING YOU, use the common puppy method: if she does bite you too hard, squeal like a puppy and stop play. with aggressively biting/playing yound dogs I like to do all my training in a good doorway. as soon as the dog gets uppity, I give the negative marker like NO! or give a squeal and go through the doorway and close the door. they learn very fast that their actions are stopping playtime that way. pic related BC guy of 7 months had to have ths done to him because ANY physical correction he misstook for further play.
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Is pet insurance worth it? The cheapest kind I can get is $20 a month

My sister keeps insisting on it, but she’s also a stay-at-home mom who married into a good upper income family so she’s has never had to work and doesn’t bat an eye on how much things cost. She’s always telling me I should buy certain things for my dog that I can’t afford.

It’s not that we can’t afford pet insurance, we just try to live frugal and wonder if we really need it. A lot of our friends who have dogs don’t get insurance. G8Y0D
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>>4037027
Lol oops, somehow I accidentally typed the captcha in my comment box. Ah well
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>>4036739
Depends on the peanut butter. Organic/natural pb with no hydronated vegetable oil and with as little salt and sugar as possible is the best kind. Some brands have stuff have xylitol which is poisonous to dogs

I like using this brand for my dog because the ingredient is literally just peanuts. It’s called Crazy Richard’s Creamy Peanut Butter. I like to put it in the fridge to solidify it. Makes it easier to put in KONGs without making a mess.

Skippy Natural pb with reduced sodium and sugar is fine too
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>>4037029
>>4037027
Pet insurance is one of the few things that are really worth insuring. I have one for blacky , costs about 30€ a month and covers dog liability costs (not so useful but required here in my state) and surgery costs (super useful). Dog surgeries can cost 100s to 1000s and you don't want to be the kind of dick that puts his dog down because he can't afford cancer surgery or fixing a broken leg.
So yes, unless you have 1000+ dollars saved up as a dog emergency fund get insured.
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Does anyone know if pet corrector is effective for stopping an off leash dog running at me while on a trail or hike? It isn't harmful and only releases a noise, but I don't know if it's good for "self defense"
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>>4037030
>Watch out, the dogfuckers are going to fap to that.

he's a boi and he'll rip your dick off you if you tried. this is a pic it took me an hour to make...

@specialty collar: DON'T. Just. Do. NOT. the show dog people have some things figured out. which is just a simple rope through a ring you put around the dog's head's base (martingale collar). just under the jaw, and over the backof the skull. you then keep the collar shut with your hand, holding it. the dog isn't lose. it's basically tied at it's head to your hand. there is no way of hurting the dog here. you are just grabbing/seiing the most robust part of it's body, it's skull, so you can SAFELY steer it. the advantage is that all the amping up that happens from pulling on the neck, doesn't happen. that's why they do pic related in the first place: pulling makes dogs pull more and harder, it's a self rewarding behaviour.

>>4037032
>Some brands have stuff have xylitol which is poisonous to dogs

try DEADLY.
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>>4037039

Cancer surgery on a dog often does more good than harm anon. And I'm not saying that because I'm someone to skimp on vet costs, one of my dogs actually had a broken leg that needed surgery and it got it. There is a limit on what medicine can do for animals and still ensure a high quality of life, and nowadays this is often brushed aside by both vets and owners. You can't just keep throwing money at some problems and expect it gets better.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tBWkT10AOY

>the sheer numbers of Australian Shepherds

>get oozie
>go to dog park
>let the dog park take care of your dog while youa re on the phone

PETA has a point with their mass euthanasia schemes... I also would euthanize all these "people"... and that's not even the quarter german in me speaking....
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>>4036870

Looks pretty tight on this pic to be honest.
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>>4036993

You are both retards. Choke chains are obsolete in modern dog training for a reason. Enjoy your dog with a neck hernia.
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>>4037052

Sorry i'm retarded and I obviously meant to type 'more harm than good'
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>>4036507
He's pretty balanced I think. Definitely the temperament of a Pyrenees and is very good with our cat but he he gets a little hyper when he plays, but I'm not sure if it's just because he's 7 months old or if it's the Ridgeback in him. Barks at everything and everyone he doesn't know though
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there sure are a lot of sick fucks in these threads huh
and i'm not talking about the dogfuckers
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>>4036993
youre a religion faggot arent you
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>>4037030
>NOT a conscious organism and is not capable of suffering or subjectively rating different levels of pain

you keep saying that like its a provable fact
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>>4037096
every church on the planet is full of weak ass bitchborn pussies. every last priest, pastor, and congregation.
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>its okay to physically abuse your dog in order to make it conform to obssesive control freak desires

>OMG DID YOU POST A PICTURE OF YOUR DOG HURRY UP AND DELETE IT BEFORE SOMEONE MASTURBATES TO IT

this guy is the biggest fucking retard I have come across in all of 4chan in a long fucking time. he just fucking exudes religious brain damage with every post
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>>4037106
dude, fuckoff out of here. you contribute nothing. your advice is shit. youre not funny. you dont even post your "meat robot" because youre afraid some sicko might offend your magic daddy in the sky by touching himself over it
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>>4037144
>you dont even post your "meat robot" because youre afraid some sicko might offend your magic daddy in the sky by touching himself over it

ehemn, I think you confuse him with me. I'm the AS guy who no longer posts HIS dog....
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>>4037149
>Mad Max das BAIT.jpg/10
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This dog bit me and I can’t stop thinking about suplexing it
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>>4037151
>implying priests and imams aren't rabbis

Desert Trilogy readers ALL go to the camps in Poland.
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>>4037157
He gets defensive over the socks he eats and throws up. Not my dog and I know suplexing is evil. Just had to get this off my chest.
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>>4037159
>the religion that created the greatest advancement in human history is le bad because it won't let me fuck dogs
/an/ is wild lmao
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>>4037165
I'm not washing mudslime feet or adopting african children like the pope wants me to do. fu.
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>>4035130
Dog Nazi proven right once again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLeAduKnX20v
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>>4035332
>$20,000
do Americans really?
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How do I get my puppy (3 month old retriever) from biting and nipping my legs and feet? Pretty sure it's him trying to be playful but it's behavior that I definitely need to train out.
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>>4037482
good ol' boot until it learns
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>>4037389
I'm interested. Share details. Would try their precum for scientific purpose, maybe it's salty.
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>>4036542
I never said she binged on it, but way to go, retard
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>recently turned 30
>your typical autistic 4chan loser you would imagine who has done nothing at all with his life and is a completely worthless manchild with no skills
>hate everyone (most of all myself), everything, want to kill myself every day, nearly in tears every night in bed as I contemplate how pathetic my life is

>realize that the only thing that ever brings me happiness in day to day activities is when I see a dog
>basically always want to pet every dog I see like the autistic pea-brained child that I am
>get along very well with all dogs, despite me being a worthless autist with people all dogs seem to love me, I am very calm and nice and always greet them with an extended palm facing me and say "hello sir" or "hello ma'am"

I have realized that I need to do some type of work that is heavily dog-centered. It may be the only thing preventing me from killing myself soon. But I don't know what to do. We had a family beagle when I was growing up, but I am too autistic to care for one on my own.
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>>4037598
start walking dogs at a shelter.
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>>4037158

That's not true. The main reason why you want to spay a female is you take away any and all chance of developing pyometra which is deadly if untreated and often goes undetected by owners until it's too late or needs risky emergency surgery. Dogs have a relatively high risk of developing it conpared to other soecjes. Mammatumors are a thing in dogs too obviously but are mostly benign and should be less of a reason to spay than pyometra. I would never spay a female sooner than they've fully developed and grown so two years old is a perfect age.
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>>4037643

Lol no my females are still intact. I know them well enough to know when they are ill and when to suspect a pyometra. The reason for this is that they're utility dogs and in this particular niche, intact animals do much better at it.
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>>4037643
>leaving the ovaries in is pointless and ONLY enables them to have sex.

are you actually this uneducated? dude, go research the thing you are talking about. I do not mind being baited and shitposted to about the thing but I think, at this point, you may actually be serious.

my dog(s) are engaged in various sports and activities. I know a half dozen of female dogs that have busted every tendon and joint in their bodies. once you see such, with drainage tubes poking from them for months because they tend to get infections from surgery you start thinking about the importance of E2 in the system.
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>>4037643

Castrating dogs that have long, sleek, non-bearded coats (likes aussies, goldens) is terrible for their coats. They turn into exploded furballs that mat extremely easily. A female that has her ovaries still won't have that issue plus her temperament stays the same.
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>>4037650

Legit kill yourself, I'm so sick of you inhuman trash ruining these threads and the fucking mods letting you run rampant. If you must know I have racing dogs and they perform better at the track when they still have all their natural hormones.
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>>4036406
I'm sorry for your loss anon, and yes you can
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>>4036510
Definitely. I have dreams of my pets visiting me, and they look like their young selves again, but somehow even healthier and better. Sometimes I have dreams about pets I never had visiting me!
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>>4037660

Funny how you assume things you know shit about. I live in a EU country where betting on dog racing is prohibited by law so it is purely a sport for the dogs' enjoyment. You ever seen how happy dogs get when they get to do what their breed was bred for? Probably not. Btw the only thing you can win here is ugly, worthless trophies and a equally pedigree titles. Big whoop. My dogs sleep on the bed btw and have a normal dog life otherwise so I think they're quite happy.
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>>4037660

That's because cats are absolutely useless for anything.
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>>4037657

Haha funny guy, keep telling yourself that abusing animals is a-okay. You are trash.
See >>4037669
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>>4037660
there were daily tiger porn threads in /b/ for a while
if housecats were bigger i think we both know you'd try your luck
especially considering how horny female cats get when they're in heat
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>>4037676

I'm not going to explain why and rationalize your abhorrent and abusive practices for you, others have tried enough before, just go away, go make a dogfucker general and stay in your containment thread. I'm not going to engage with any of you dogfuckers any further.
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>>4037680
This guy did https://desuarchive.org/an/thread/4027798/#4033379
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>>4037686

Go to the archive and find the many posts that others wrote on why fucking dogs is bad and harms them. Bye.
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This is my puppy
His name is Macho
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>>4037695
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that's the gutest AKITA face I've ever seen, in fact, those are some very cute-loving eyes for ANY dog/10
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>>4037701
consider ending your life
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>>4037701

>fucks dog
>dogs becomes incontent worse and worse
>doesn't understand why

Gee I wonder.
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>>4035917
kill yourself, seriously, do it. Make sure your poor dog gets a proper family or owner that won't sexually abuse her before you off yourself, please. I would recommend slitting your wrists.
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>>4037717

Go make your own thread where you can fellate each other about how you're wonderful human beings for fucking dogs and stay there, please.
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>>4037730
implying we wanted it to begin with...

>>4037727
they're just afraid. if more people knew what we knew, it would change the way dogs are treated, and a lot of convenient ways they're used and abused would slowly go away because you have to see anything you can have sex with as more human.
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>>4037727
>we're talking about dogs
Yeah but this ie a blue board, take your zoo bullshit to /b/, or preferably, some chan monitored constantly by the FBI.
I'm a /trash/fag BTW, your shit simply doesn't belong here, take it elsewhere.
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>>4037735
>wanting people to get in trouble with nonsense laws
you probably narced on your friends for weed

>uhhh dont you know youre abusing yourselves and you're literally ruining your lives?
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>>4037735
>aussie guy is a trashfag BTW
ofc
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>>4037738
WTF are you on about, New Hampshire USA here
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>>4037740
im in west virginia. i wish we were closer so you could meet my dog (not that way k)
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>>4037738
>aussie guy is a trashfag BTW

that's not the "aussie guy". i am, and all MY posts itt were:

>>4035130
>>4035482
>>4035843
>>4036209
>>4036542
>>4036544
>>4036548
>>4036571
>>4037012
>>4037015
>>4037047
>>4037145
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>>4035914
Eevee is so dreamy

I have all her pics saved

Would buy a nice dress and necklace for and take out to dinner/10
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>oh anon, a steakhouse, this evening? you must be kidding
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>>4037790
And excellent at washing other things
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>>4037793
yes, yes
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>>4037039
if you don't have $1000 to spare you probably shouldn't have a dog..
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Jannies are finally doing something, about damn time.
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>>4037161

Clean up your fucking shit then. One of these days those socks will kill him so forget about your power fantasies.
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>>4037796
No one has 1000s to just spare unless you're retarded. That's why insurance exists dickhead
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>>4037801
I certainly do, pet insurance is a scam.
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>>4037801
>No one has 1000s to just spare unless you're retarded
Not being poor is retarded now? Tell my dogwife I'm sorry, I'm too dumb for her...
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>>4037801

I have a savings account specifically for vet bills.
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>>4037805
Beinf willing to shill out 1000s on a surgery when you could get insurance IS retarded, retard.
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>>4037814

Insurances tend to not cover a whole lot of stuff that can be wrong with your dog anon. Insurance companies are businesses after all, not philantrophic entities.
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>>4037743
Ayy not that anon but I'll be moving to VA soon! I feel like a lot of people on /an/ are from the south
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>>4037825
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I wonder if 'zois are really just silly ass clowns or if they only look like that and ppl make a bunch of fotos and only post the best ones that make it seem like that....
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>>4037801
i've had dogs for the last 15 years and never had a vet bill cost more than $600
hypothetically , putting $20 in a savings account every month instead of giving it to (((insurance))) would net me $3600 plus interest
i think you're baiting but poors really are this stupid
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>>4037837
So you've had like 2 dogs so far?
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>>4037846
5
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>>4037848
Your anecdotal evidence doesn't count then
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>>4037853
it's not really evidence..
just a simple way to show how i'd rather keep my own money and only pay out if i have to
scam (((insurance))) money would be way better spent on my house then i can use the equity to pay a >100k vet bill if necessary
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why do poorfags buy dogs that need their legs replaced after 6 years?
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>>4037690
we're all going extinct soon anon
what we do behind closed curtains during the death throes of human civilization won't really matter
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>>4037730
it's all catfag larps
we won't stand for this kind of defamation
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>>4037482
play time stops for atleast 30 seconds everytime he does this. walk away, cross your arms, and turn your back to him. look over your shoulder at him with a mean/dissapointed look. its important not to do anything that can be interpreted by the dog as "fun". dont raise your voice, dont get excited or mad. do this all calmly.

if he grabs a piece of clothing dont tug. just hold the fabric tight and still till he lets go then do the above.

sometimes picking the dog up and holding him for awhile can work as can brief timeouts in the crate
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>>4037598
look into becoming a dog sitter. there are aps for that shit now. get paid to have someines dog live with you while they are on vacation
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>>4037695
oooooh yeeeaah/10
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>>4037047
>try DEADLY

Well yeah, poison usually results in death if it’s not treated in time.
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>>4035062
Me again. My girl got spayed on Wednesday. She has to wear a cone for 10 days. Trying to keep her from running, jumping, etc. I’m not sure if I should keep her in her crate so she can get the rest she needs, or I should let her out to walk around? I put the dining room chairs on our couch to keep her from climbing on them, but she feels the need to do zoomies.

She’s miserable being in her crate with the cone on her head, especially since she keeps bonking her head on the crate door, but I was told she should rest as much as possible the first 24-48 hours after surgery.

What should I do?
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>>4038019

I would advise against this (and especially in that person's case). There are a LOT of badly trained dogs. You can try having them for a day and overnight as a trial to see how it goes before the real thing but you've got your work cut out for you. I personally would never take on a dog for holiday boarding into my home if I didn't know it and its owner well. Dogwalker at a shelter or whatever seems more appropriate for that anon.

.t dog boarding/daycare employee
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>>4038053
Didn't the vets give you a drug prescription to keep her sedated? That is usually enough to make sure they don't get zoomies and rip their stitches. Other than that you can try stuff that isn't physically demanding but tires them out mentally like sniffing out treats in snow and carpets, watching tv with you and so on.
But really she should be sedated and on painkillers the first couple days.

>What should I do?
regret listening to neuter nazis (if your dog wasn't actually sick)
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>getting a dog from an ethical breeder costs an arm and a leg
>impossible to get a dog through a rescue group because of their autistic demands
>shelters only full of senior shih-tzus and senior chihuahuas on their way out, and/or untrained pitbulls or crazy destructive dogs. Any puppy they manage to get, their employees/friends get first dibs

I don’t know if all states in the US are like this, but holy shit, it’s impossible to get a good dog around here. Maybe it’s because I live in a nice neighborhood in the NYC Metro area.
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>>4038061
>I live in the NYC Metro area
do the dog a favor and don't get one
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>>4038059
They gave me painkillers but no sedatives. She’s not too hyperactive like other dogs I know, but she gets the zoomies sometimes due to her still being young, although close to 8 months.

I’ve been using this stuff to calm her down, which seems to work. I just feel guilty leaving her in her crate all day but she needs to rest to recover.

>>4038059
>neuter nazis

Once again, I do not live in a multi-acre plot of land and I do not have a fenced-in backyard. I live in a townhouse community where lots of neighbors have dogs. I wanted to be able to take her outside without the risk of other dogs trying to run up to her while she’s in heat. Plus we want to be able to board her when we go on vacation later this year or when we have to go out of town for a wedding. Most boarding places require dogs to be spayed/neutered, and our family is unreliable.
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>>4038078
>I wanted to be able to take her outside without the risk of other dogs trying to run up to her while she’s in heat
It's like 3-4 weeks out of a whole year
>Most boarding places require dogs to be spayed/neutered
There are dog sitters
It sounds like you neutured because it inconvenienced you, rather than the needs of the dog. Ultimately it's your decision
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on the subject of neutering my pup is coming up on 7 months (hasnt had her first heat yet)
went to 3 vets and they all strongly suggested spaying her now before her first heat, as it drops chances of mammary cancer almost completely. it feels like the vets just want the money for the surgery sometimes.
She's a BC and from what i researched, mammary cancer is not that prevalent in her breed, and pyometra seems like regular checkups can help with early detection.
on the other hand, I see a lot of people here saying not to neuter their dogs for various reasons, like orthopedic issues. however, i cant find any strong evidence for this. The orthopedic issues seem to affect certain large breeds, and comes with an early spay when growth plates aren't fully fused yet.
Currently I'm thinking of spaying her after her first heat or whenever her growth plates are fully fused as it seems to be the best option medically
Anyone have any sources for the contrary besides anecdotal evidence?
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>>4038120
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=dog+spay+effects&btnG=

https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/44002483/Effects_of_Surgical_Sterilization_on_Canine_and_Feline_Health_and_on_Society-with-cover-page-v2.pdf?Expires=1642187296&Signature=dzUgK8kVO5grYFUdOmiRVbB3XHqxRbADiAC6n9~89I2Inf~IJsi2kHVWP1JFCoeMeVcSBjT4lb-0YA5KnDLI5wKdxCQtD90gPWQtCVpjOuHGEpiB0xeRHOvKT9o4T2u2IT2ctyFxYAbvc~lVExtPTo96ObrsMqPqKbx4eN0pbOQ8Xc7P8uJ0CRhCwn5mU1EQfZ5muIqBgokoMZdn-vpESAmHv6Di~7ekJYxzjCZ9rUfKIbpqJ-nHB0nR7xrrhziJ5W7ss8J8OXpgfrEtlJo-P~WZWlG-jjzeTIsNhFTjGSliPDCnqy6OT3Nio4f1UmfUMa-qJokt8cVioabMerAeeA__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1748-5827.2011.01176.x

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1439-0531.2009.01437.x

https://www.ors.org/Transactions/50/1311.pdf

https://journals.lww.com/corr/Abstract/2004/12000/Canine_Ovariohysterectomy_and_Orchiectomy.45.aspx

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0055937&fbclid=IwAR36HZtg2qPWpDQtcAqeurayQiRZ0jAMXxny3OD_ZRp2Jwcz2gX0vjkJdO0

https://www.mdpi.com/589340
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>>4038089
Ah yes, spaying goes against the needs of the dog, but fucking the dog is not
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I know a lot of posters here ate anti-spay/neuter, but dealing with a dog in heat sounds pretty terrible
https://www.reddit.com/r/dogs/comments/ikwufv/vent_dog_in_heat_has_been_my_worst_nightmare/
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>>4038089
>It sounds like you neutured because it inconvenienced you

let's wait a bit until the incontinence kicks in. THAT will be inconvenient...
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>>4038089
>Ultimately it's your decision
>But I refuse to accept what you decided
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>>4038154
I have a husky in heat and shes extra cuddly and diligent about cleaning
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>>4038078
You just shouldnt have a dog.
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>>4038197
most people shouldnt
>cut up for convenience
>caged to save headaches
>fed trash
>animals cant consent u sneed their consent to do stuff ok ok? just wrong
hypocrites
most dogs should be running free in dog sanctuaries like we do for wolves
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>>4038155
Or when they destroy their knee, but hey, it's a city dog, they'll never have enough fun to even risk it and cityfags are so messed up in the head they dont let dogs jump on furniture
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>>4036544
God dman thats a cute one.
>>4036658
too old

Can't believe there are people on this genera that actually fuck dogs older than a year.
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>>4038237
Large dogs aren't physically mature until 1.5-2 years, and that's when their attractive wolfiness comes in anyways
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>>4038163
Yes? Those 2 things are not mutually exclusive
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>>4034968
Just got a puppy today.
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>>4038089
>dogs shouldn’t be for your convenience
>yet dogs were literally bred for the convenience of people
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>>4038244
Why would you want to fuck an old hag?


I hope husky owners don't seriously think their dog resembles anything close to a wolf.
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>>4038301
conoisseurs get malamutes
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>>4038301
>Why would you want to have a relationship with an adult woman
Maybe because I'm not a pedo

And dogs get a definite maturity to their faces at that age that I find extremely attractive
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>>4038286
bob barker didn't exist until the mid 20th century and his shit has been a disaster for canine health, both individual dogs and the gene pool

the dog of the future will live to 5 years and have a retarded highly specialized temperament that is pure instinct with no capacity for thought, or you will adopt a russian street dog and long for the days when you could get that health and personality from mold mannered family dogs
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>>4038269
Cute puppy, lab?
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>>4038120
It's usually advised to neuter breeds with orthopedic issues after 1 year instead of 7 months so they can develop their bodies properly
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>>4038286
Let me know when dogs are bred to not have ovaries/testes
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>>4038340
Yeah, still unsure what to name him.
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>>4038322
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Awestrayan' Shepherd mustard race rulez supreme!/10

>>4038226
lol, the guy you respond to, me, is the "no jumping on furniture" dog Nazi.

>>4038237
>God dman thats a cute one.
yes, Jas was best. How much dirt did she drag in with those Grinch feets? ALL THE DIRT!/10

>>4038269
>>4038353
he looks like a Tater/10
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>>4038322
>i'm not a pedo I only fuck dogs
You're Canadian aren't you?
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>>4038391
>File: 345635476.jpg (790 KB, 1680x2727)

Borderliner Coolie mustard race rulez supreme!/10
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>>4038154
My dog just went through her first heat cycle a couple months ago. Besides a few drips of blood on the tile I almost didn't notice it was even happening.
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>>4038145
biggest concern seems to be ACL Injury and ortho related illnesses, however these dont seem to take record the age at which the neuter happened
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>>4038411
for me it's a toss up between incontinence and tears. incontinence seems to be related to hormones as well as the trauma of the surgery meaning if the vet fucks up, pulls too much and isn't gentle, the trauma will cause it and it's onset will be fast(er). the tears happen a few years down the line and the frequency/severity depends on how active the dog is. general precautions like warmups and cooldowns paired with limiting high impact exercise do not seem to help. the tears will happen doing mundane things like walking stairs....
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>>4038416
>In summary, there is some evidence that neutering is associated with an increased risk of urinary incontinence, and that the earlier a bitch is neutered, the greater the associated risk. However, the studies that only included dogs spayed at 4·5 months of age or older did not find any association between age at neutering and risk of urinary incontinence. One possible explanation for this is that there is a stronger association between neutering and incontinence in dogs neutered between 6 weeks and 4·5 months of age
its possible that the risks diminish the longer you wait for a spay as well. As far as I know, there are safe and tried medications to treat urinary incontinence. not ideal, but manageable. I still think thats quite low priority to consider regarding the health benefits and risks of neutering
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>>4038387
>fuck
Wow, vulgar. I prefer the term "make love to".
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>>4038419
Unless you want to be that zoophile that changes his border collies diaper and ointment five times a day

Why are border collies always getting weird diseases like that?
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>>4035748
Your princess is trying to control your behaviour
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>>4038437
Nothing wrong with that. Your relationship with your dog is give and take, not absolute domination. Dogs, like people, enjoy life more if you interact with them instead of controlling them. You are smarter though, so something that you're in control of from your point of view can be a fun game to your dog.
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>>4038469
I agree it's not about absolute domination, but dog and human are both happier when it's clear who is the leader, imo. Behavioral problems can stem from this being unclear, either mildly annoying ones or sometimes more serious.
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>>4038480
this. structure is key. rules are crucial.

>>4038469
>Dogs, like people, enjoy life more if you interact with them instead of controlling them.


is that why when we play the remoe control game " go there, go here, left, right, back up, do this, drop that, bring this...." my dog goes nuts wagging her tail and when we stop she sits, gives a sad bark and hopes we continue?
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>>4038353
Truffles comes to mind
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>>4038404
I guess it depends on the breed?
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>>4038484
she has stockholm syndrome
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>>4038353
Dusty
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>>4038515
Suiting but I don't like it.
>>4038531
Not bad.
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>>4038353
Dennis
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>>4037832
I name my files.
Borzois are essentially goofy couch potatoes.
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>>4038053
I would get some calming hemp chews, or some type of calming chew/spray of your preference.
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>>4038061
I would not get a dog in NYC. There are people that are actively abusing dogs there for funsies.
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>>4038120
Not neutering your dog can lead your dog to be frustrated (and cleaning up their period blood everywhere).
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>>4038353
Coconut
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>>4038404
What kind of breed was it?
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>>4038578
The frustration is not an issue ;3 And the blood is solved with pants if they dont clean it up themselves

2-3 weeks of minor inconvenience or a life of poor health and some unnecessary pain for your dog. Hmmm. Maybe if its a bad breed for mammary tumors and
pyo, but i avoid those because theyre normally unhealthy in other ways
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>>4038530
Collies are born to be ordered about like that. Though I don't like mine to be too robotic and over control them. They love that they are working together with you. Add some real sheep to the mix and even better, because now they have to respond to not just you but also control those fluffy escape artists at the same time, and the work has a satisfying finish when they are shut in behind a gate and the dog knows they have done the task.
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>>4038591
You know, this is a bit off topic, but I wonder if dogs get cramps and migraines or mood swings like women do if they're on their period.
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>>4038484
You have an ASD (aspergers syndrome dog), they're "different".

They have a kind of false intelligence where the abilities of the standard canine brain are made more useful by obsessive tendencies and every social instinct being broken so they look to humans for everything. Leave one on its own and they'll chew their own leg off.
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>>4038607
the first week is a "period", the rest is just being insanely horny
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>>4038608
>Hey hey hey hey hey hey
>Do you want to hear about the new innistrad sets? I memorized every card in midnight hunt down to the flavor text? Do you? Do you? Do you? Do you?
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>>4038608
>They have a kind of false intelligence where the abilities of the standard canine brain are made more useful by obsessive tendencies and every social instinct being broken so they look to humans for everything. Leave one on its own and they'll chew their own leg off.

I've heard of dogs on sheep stations being lost for a year and surviving. They do always look to the one working them for cues, this is part breeding and part training and being an effective leader. And I would say their social and other instincts (like to chase and herd animals) are more intact than many other breeds, because those instincts are a pain in the arse outside of the farm environment. No one introduced a herding and working instinct to these dogs, they just modified the natural hunting behavior of a pack of wild dogs. I feel like some of the weird ideas going around about collies being fucked in the head simply come from broken non working lines being bred as pets, and working lines being kept without actually working them.
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Not saying autism means you are fucked in the head either. Might have to read that book
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>>4038628
Lost dogs live off scraps, a well worked one will never go nuts because it's already been trained. But they are very autistic, they are not wolves that dont kill stuff, they are extremely focused and obsessive animals. Put a husky next to a wolf and there's actually as much similarity as the wolfaboos say (the husky is just clumsier and slower in every sense of the word) but if you put a border collie next to the wolf, while the wolf tries to relax and keep an eye out for stuff to kill, the border collie will pick up a ball, bring the ball to the nearest human, drop the ball, pick up the ball, put the ball away, pick up the ball again, bring the ball to the nearest human....
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>>4038607
I don't notice much of a behavioral change with the bitch I have. And no worries about blood or whatever because she lives and works outside, sleeps outside in a kennel. The main thing I see is she likes to piss all around the place, just little bits, leaving scent for dogs to find her. And I have to keep the horny dogs away (just my own) but she does a pretty good job of doing that herself right up until the couple of days that she might actually stand for them.

Funny thing with mine though, she gets phantom pregnancy afterwards. Like clockwork. I get all worried that she might be in pup but never is. This last time she even began to produce milk because I had a litter of puppies around. And starting nesting and everything. Makes a great aunty to the one I kept. I think she might have some kind of hyper fertile gene going on, she came from a litter of 16 and her mother again had a litter of 17 (told the prick not to breed from her again)
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>>4038607
My dog is ridiculously affectionate in heat, just like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GMAlBIQU5Q

Maybe it's a spitz thing
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>>4038633
Probably lived on random dead sheep carcass etc. But I have seen them learn to kill. They are suited to a particular agrarian environment.. it's not some historic thing, there are millions of working dogs on farms around the world who are busy enough to not even look sideways at a ball
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>>4038638
big cookie
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>>4038628

No, collies especially the working lines ARE broken in the head and hyperfixate on anything if you give them the chance. I know of one that would try herding shadows or reflected light in the room. The dog gets plenty of mental stimulation, even gets to go to the sheep every week but it's just bonkers. I would absolutely start despising a dog like that if it were mine. It's always for a 100% on. If you're sitting on the couch and so much as wiggle a toe it will jump up and go 'whatwegondoletsgocanwegoyesyesyes'. It's the fucking worst.
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>>4038675
It's not supposed to see the sheep once a week. It's supposed to go out in the dark in the morning and muster sheep load them onto a truck that you found out about the night before, and see them all day every day while it runs around the hills for 10 hours. Then maybe you can come back for lunch in the heat of summer, or at the end of the day, and see that it's not on anymore. Then you can train the new puppy and introduce it to the new horse. Theres nothing wrong with the dog in fact they are getting better
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>>4038591
>>4038578
>>4038393
>>4038404
>Besides a few drips of blood on the tile I almost didn't notice it was even happening.

it can be worse but really, realisitcally, for msot dogs it isn't. if you take them outside and do your exercise, it usually comes out mostly outside. you get in, hose their paws dawn, and hose their privates down, dry them with a towel. this prevents licking and rashes/itches/irritation. put a towl in their bed. really, for me/us, it was mostly a bit of an increase in towel laundry. that was it.

>>4038530
>>4038601
>>4038601
>Collies are born to be ordered about like that.

lol, and mine is not even a BC but an AS... people complain about them herding people too. I found this to be a great thing/behavior in a herder to capture and build up on. YOU be the sheep for them to herd. they learn the commands in one afternoon...

>>4038608
>oh look at this novel kitchen physchology take I ahve on issue XY, buy my article to lrn moar!

yeah, no, fuck off. the only breed that sort of kind of maybe approach what you describe is "competition bred Malinois" and even there it's vastly overstated and a lot of the observable spasming out is training. trian your dogs, engage your dogs, keep them on their toes, do not go outside and just throw them a ball for an hour, that's actually counter productive and creates problems like ball junkies and other stereotypical behaviours....

>>4038628
>I feel like some of the weird ideas going around about collies being fucked in the head simply come from broken non working lines being bred as pets, and working lines being kept without actually working them.

this. no structure, no schedule, no rules, no dedicated down time, no dedicated work time, no brain games, just monotonous walks and fetch if that. that's how you break them. nobody fauls orcas for going nuts under these conditions, why blame working dogs?

>>4038633
>pick up the ball again, bring the ball to the nearest human....

ALL of them? rly?
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>>4038644
>Probably lived on random dead sheep carcass etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8ir1nQc7AU

decent documentary for some hands on insight.

>>4038675
wtf, just do not get a dog like that then? why post on here like this? did that dog steal your gf/bf also?
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>>4038701

It's not my dog retard
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>>4038688

It gets all sorts of mental stimulation, it goes to sheep TO HERD, it gets to do treibball, they play frisbee with it in competition. The owners are very motivated dog owners but the dog is just fucked in the head and never satisfied and it's far from the only border collie like this. Just because you love and probably owm the breed doesn't mean there are no problems with it.
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>>4038718
It needs to work. Simple as that. Problems arise when people think they are so clever they can keep it anyways
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>>4038718
>>4038724
literally EVERY good source on working dogs tells you to train them to rest, to not overdo work, to crate train them. you can OVERSTIMULATE them and this is likely what's happening. I can throw the ball all days until my shoulder pops and my arm flies off and the dog will still not be really tired. but because it WAS TRAINED, we can go home and rest. the closest comparison for humans I can caome up with is working 2 shifts skipping sleep, you get tired for about an hour but then you get second wind and can easily work through another 24hrs.
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>>4038688
I grew up on a farm that produced sheep, horses and working collies
Collies are put to work twice a month tops
The sheep stay in their pasture 99% of the time and only get herded when they need to switch pastures, get sold, or get sheared, which is not all day everyday
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>>4038577
NYC Metro area doesn’t always mean NYC. It means being in a part of a state that has access to transporting to NYC, like NJ, PA and CT. These areas are usually dominated by upper middle-class suburban white neighborhoods, which is probably why there are so many rules and regulations to getting a dog. These groups are allowed to be picky as to which home the dog goes to, because most people working from these homes, are working a good high-paying job from NYC.

I get the feeling most rural areas, or states that don’t have a high cost of living, aren’t that strict about dog adoption.
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>>4038353
Polar if he’s a white lab
Cheddar if yellow lab
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>>4038577
Have you ever been to NYC?

There are tons of people walking their dogs, and there are tons of dog parks and doggy daycare places for dogs to socialize. NYC is very dog friendly.

Only thing I’d worry about is crossing the streets with the traffic they have. One time when my husband and I were in Manhattan, we watched a shiba inu pull it’s head out of it’s collar and run off right when it was crossing the street with it’s owner. We managed to lure it to us and my husband restrained it to keep from running away. The owner was baffled why her dog could do that as she said he’s never done that before. I would have a panic attack if my dog managed to run away from me during nyc traffic.
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>>4038587
Blue Heeler
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>>4038778
I work on one. Take my dogs out every day because you never know when you are going to need them. Not every farm is the same
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>>4038718
Yeah that's the point of working dogs

Anything like the ability to relax and socialize and show any signs of personality is not desired in one. Because that's not work. Even when the dog isn't working, it thinks its working. The ultimate wagie.
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>>4039162
>even resting is work
>you have to train the dog to go the fuck to sleep

they aren't dogs
they're symbiotes derived from dog stock
do not adopt a working line dog if you aren't a huge dog obedience nerd, you want energy and health but no working drive get a husky or something. those have no drive at all, they just goof off and cuddle all day, but really energetically and they can run pretty fasty
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took Dutch to my sisters house for the first time. its been awhile since weve seen his sister Chloe. theyve both nearly doubled in size since last seeing each other. they were so damn to happy see one another. they were also sooo much more chill this time when playing.

now my sister's pyranese/antolian, Luna, wasnt happy to meet Dutch. she barked at him whenever he ran up to her. the first week my sister brought Chloe home Luna avoided her. didnt want anything to do with her. now theyre close and Luna even plays with Chloe and her toys. she never played with toys before.

in fact, today was the first day Luna officially accepted me. everytime I came over in the past she would stay away. last October I watched her for a weekend. gave her eggs every morning, gave her chicken, cheese, steak. walked her twice a day. she still would bark at me in my own house and stay away from me. that was the last time I saw her before today and I was expecting the same. but no. she was actually happy as shit to see me. shell get there with Dutch.

my brother has Luna's sister, Molly, and shes pretty much the same way. took a year of seeing that dog once or twice a month before it would be happy to see me. my brother brought her and his american bulldog/bully, Teddy, over last week. Molly treated Dutch like Luna initially treated Chloe. she ran away from him. 100 pound horse of a dog (she is waaay bigger than Luna who was the runt) running scared from a 20 pound puppy.

Teddy on the otherhand loves Dutch a little too much. he wouldnt stop licking his face. my boy nearly drowned in his drool.
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>>4036404
How do you know its not 8 male nipples?
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>>4039165
>dog stock
mmmmmmmmm... dog stock
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>>4039211
they dont taste like male nipples



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