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>>3979822 - previous

The men of fishkeeping edition

Discuss anything aquarium related here, including inhabitants, decor, and issues. Before asking questions in this thread, make sure you give us at least some details when asking a question, such as:

>Tank size (include dimensions, not just volume)
>Parameters (ammonia, nitrate, nitrite, pH, GH, KH)
>Any inhabitants + how long you've had them
>Pictures are always helpful

Tank Cycling:
>www.modestfish.com/how-to-cycle-your-aquarium/

Stocking and Water Change Calculator:
>www.aqadvisor.com/AqAdvisor.php
>www.hamzasreef.com/Contents/Calculators/EffectiveWaterChange.php

Articles and Care Guides:
>www.seriouslyfish.com/knowledge-base/
>www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/
>www.theaquariumwiki.com/wiki/

Aquatic Plant Database:
>www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/plantfinder/all.php
>www.flowgrow.de/db/aquaticplants

Saltwater shit:
>brs 5 minute guides
>[YouTube] Saltwater aquarium setup - A simple, easy guide in 5 minute steps. (embed)
>https://reefbuilders.com/reef-tank-setup/
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>>3986995
No one cares about e-celebs, retard
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>>3987019
its cute that you get so upset.
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>>3986998
Reminds me of hamsterfags on /an/ who see someone housing a miniature hamster in a giant cage, and they still go "omg it's too small, animal abuse." Why is all this excess even needed if it's only housing one fish though? Other than to attention seek.
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>>3987021
Pointing out something you don't agree with ≠ being mad.
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>>3987028
its mainly the language you used "retard". You're clearly mad at the photo.
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>>3987024
The tank was just set up (notice how everything is pristine and the plants have not grown in). The betta was not the planned total stocking. It's just in there for the lulz.
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>>3987030
>>3987028
>>3987021
>>3987019
So who is this guy?
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>>3987030
Still wasn't mad, it's just a common way people speak everywhere. But I see how to someone else (a woman) it might sound more aggressive than intended. You somewhat had a point.
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>>3987033
Ah gotcha. Then 100% fair setup.
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>>3987039
its ok I understand being mad, just not at "e-celebs"

>>3987036
some Australian fishkeeper with a porn mustache and a very monotone voice.
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>>3987042
Where were you in 2012-2018 when everyone had a hate boner for them and constantly said "fuck off e-celebs" in nearly every board?
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>>3987045
I'm hitting 43 this year. I don't really care about "e-celebs" or celebrities at all. I don't consider this dude an "e-celeb". He's pretty lame, quirky and odd but has good info on his channel. I wouldn't call him a celebrity at all.
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>>3987052
That's fair. But not plastering his face on the start of the thread. Just put on some fish on it. More relivent and clear. More practical.
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How long have you been in this hobby? And biggest mistake?
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BioCube 32 future Arrow Crab owner here.
My plan this week is:
>Test salinity on today (was .028 again.... what the heck how often do I need to get a gallon of RO?)
>Remove dead Chromis carcass today
>Do water change today and add some additional RO water again
>Change carbon filter today
>Get 2 cheap damsels and 2 stomatella/astrea snails tomorrow
>Hope that Thanksgiving with the parents and inlaws includes a pretty tank
>Hope little blue/yellow asshole fishies don't die
>Pray little snails don't die (damsels won't kill my snails, right?)

I do have some algae that has popped up on one of the dead-rocks and one of the live-rocks. So the snails should have some food and hopefully live to get the BioCube established.

What's the percentage chance that the Damsels will die before Sunday? What about the snails?
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>>3987086
How old are you?
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>>3987086
>What's the percentage chance that the Damsels will die before Sunday? What about the snails?
Hard to say, but I'd say you got a good shot. I mean I still have my first saltwater fish I ever bought (a clownfish pair) years ago. Damsels I've had experience with have all been pretty hardy as well.

Also:
https://www.hamzasreef.com/Contents/Calculators/ResultingSalinity.php

Note that is based on the actual water volume, not your external aquarium dimensions. E.g. A 20G long really only holds about 17.7G.
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I do
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>>3987091
Very.

>>3987117
Ooooo that is awesome. Thanks. It looks like then to reduce my 1.028 "gravity" down to 1.025 I need to do.....

3 gallons of RO for my water change today that I'm doing 4.4 gallons of? Is that possible???
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>>3987209
>3 gallons of RO for my water change today that I'm doing 4.4 gallons of? Is that possible???
Might want to do that somewhat slowly. I don't think your fish would appreciate a giant chunk of fresh (or nearly fresh) water to the face. That could stress them a bit. But yes, it's possible.

Also continue to test as you do it, since like I mentioned, that calculator works on actual water volume while your tank may not be that exact volume.
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>>3987019
Agreed, come on anon you don't have to ruin threads before they even start
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>>3987224
There are no fish in here yet. New BioCube 32. The Chromis I got last week didn't make it. I'll get 2 damsels and something to eat some hair algae tomorrow.

Also, thing dang water change knocked all my rocks over. I need another bucket so I can put the new water in it and and do it cup my cup. Fuck.
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Need help identifying a fish, when I was younger, my grandfather had a pleco looking fellow with an armored (think prominent plates/scales) looking body and an extended nose, it was light brown in coloration.
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>>3987273
Might want to consider using some reef epoxy/putty:
https://www.amazon.com/Two-Little-Fishes-Aquastick-Coralline/dp/B00Q8P2BT4

Or straight up superglue (but only 100% cyanoacrylate).
https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/10-oz-bottle-brs-extra-thick-gel-super-glue-bundle.html

Also you could put a small plate on the sand and pour the water onto that. It helps a lot with not disturbing the and or in your case, rockwork. I personally use a pond pump to transfer the water, but if you go that route, you're going to want one with high GPH otherwise you're going to be sitting there forever.
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>>3987288
swordfish
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>>3987288
farowalla or whiptail catfish possibly.
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I just started a 55 3 days ago and the amonia is at 0. I dumped snails in there and put food and plants in. What gives?
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If I took all the media, filters, and decorations with their dirt from one tank and put it all in a brand new tank, can I consider the new tank instantly cycled?
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>>3987352
Plants are eating the ammonia. You might need to keep adding more food.
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>>3987352
It’s been 3 days. Let the poop and food rot for a bit and they’ll start to produce ammonia
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>>3987353
No
Bacteria need time to establish themselves in the aquarium. It’ll probably cut down your cycling time by weeks though
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>>3987360
Bummer. I'll just scoop the filter gunk from the old one onto the new aquarium's filter and do a regular cycle then. Thanks.
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>>3987353
>>3987360
>>3987365
That's 100% false. The bacteria won't care you changed the glass box. If your bioload doesn't change and the new water is not somehow inhospitable to the old bacteria, your media/filters/etc will transfer and handle the bioload just fine, immediately.
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>>3987391
yup, this is why I always have sponge filters running in tanks.
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>>3987352
>>3987358
Consider that the food may not have completely broken down yet as well.

Use ammonium chloride. It's literally less than $10 and you won't have questions on what's happening. The process will happen faster and more consistently and predictably. The ghost feeding thing is only for the absolutely destitute.
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Can any reefanons give me some advice on my saltwater setup?
Im curently planing on buying a reeftank, 20g-25g and want to keep it simple (only gonna put in lighting, flow pump, heater).
When it comes to fish, I just want a pair of Clownfish in there, maybe a blenny too depending on how much space the clowns are gonna claim for themself.
But the mainfocus are gonna be the corals, I want to plant it heavily with LPS corals, a few Euphylias and ALOT of Zoas. No SPS at all.

So the primary question I have now is on what lighting to buy. Ive read alot about it but im just missing the experience and know how to see through all the buisness talk in the product descriptions, I mean, every company claims that every single one of their lightings provides optimal coral growth
I dont really like watching Youtube videos about it because alot of them are those THIS IS THE BEST REEFLIGHT OUT THERE!! and stuff along those lines and I always feel like those are just baiting people so I hope you can give me some advice.

Also, anything I should watch out for to avoid mistakes? Some stuff thats definetly worth buying from the start and so on.
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>>3987209
>Very
>Hope that Thanksgiving with the parents and inlaws includes a pretty tank
Well, I don't know anything about that holiday and if you were implying you'll get gifted an expensive tank when you're older than 20 and have a job then dude, just save up a generous amount monthly/weekly (not just for pet supplies but for yourself in general to make life easy) so you don't rely on them if it turns out they won't give you one. Also expecting specific gifts in general is bad practice and kind of disrespect/unhealthy. Would beat the American out of my kid if he was that spoiled.

Jokes aside, good luck with the damsels and snails, anon.
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>>3987328
Thanks thats exactly it
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It is really bizzare to me how everyone is obsessing about adding shit to the tank to start it. Stop doing weird stuff, just do it normally:


Optional dry "prestart", to be done before normal wet start:
- blend the moss to a paste, apply to surfaces and do not add water, cover with foil, moisten twice a day, leave a bit of an opening for air
- wait 2-3 weeks
- proceed with normal start (option 1)

Option 1: Normal wet start:
- start the tank with plants only
- week 1: 50% water changes, every day
- week 2: 50% water changes, every 2 days
- week 3: 50% water changes, every 3 days
- after 3 weeks put the animals in

Option 2: Alternative dark wet start version:
- start the tank with no plants, only the hardscape and soil, do not run any light or CO2, do not change water, just run the filter
- wait for 3 weeks
- drain water, plant, refill water, put the animals in

Disclaimer: I never do option 2 as I see no reason to do it. I prefer to let the plants develop good roots before putting the animals in to stop them from pulling the plants out.

Further water changes normal, once a week, 50%. Stop doing other weird stuff like putting fish food into the water. It is just a waste of your time to do those headstands.
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Anyo of yall have compared the USB airpumps they be seeling over you know where vs any of the multiples you find in aliexpress? I have one from Aliexpress and it's a bit noisy, was wondering if it's more to do with the shit stone they sent with it or the pump itself.
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>>3987706
I'm a total beginner, so I appreciate this.
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>he does water changes
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Second opinion from me in a second post so that you can reply to this separately.

Testing the water, at any stage of the tank's life, is probably a waste of time. The only exception that I think should be mentioned is that if you use RO water then test the hardness. If you have really weird fish then measure pH (you probably don't).

I see two reasons behind why people test the water:
1. find out if there is something toxic in it (eg. ammonia)
2. find out if you have enough nutrients for the plants

Ad 1: do not try to speed up the process of starting up the tank. You are risking hurting your fish. Just wait 2-3 weeks. A tank with a good filter will not have any problems with toxic stuff in it after that. If you have doubts about this then change your filter. Use good filtration media not a sponge.

Ad 2: You can't test all parameters of your water anyway and it is easier to use the state of the plants to figure things out. If you always change 50% of the water weekly anyway then that will reset the nutrients. Everything else is basically up to you and observing the plants.

The only think I recommend is a CO2 indicator but that is not a test per se in the sense that people understand it.
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>>3987711
Just do "Option 1" then or if you are still waiting for plants/fish etc and have some time to spare then you can do "Option 2" but as I said normally I see no reason for it.

Watch this to find out about "Option 2" and note the upsides and downsides of it. As I said I don't bother with this option personally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULCBqSQYaOY
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>>3987714
>do not try to speed up the process of starting up the tank. You are risking hurting your fish.
What's your opinion on this guy's explanation and argument for cycling with fish? As a beginner cycling still, this guy tempts me greatly. Feel free to debunk if needed: https://youtu.be/c8tUEt-POiA

>just wait 2-3 weeks.
Hold up. Why does everyone say it takes 4-8 weeks? Except pet store employees say 1 week without genociding all their fish. Rather confused and been wondering.

>A tank with a good filter will not have any problems with toxic stuff in it after that. If you have doubts about this then change your filter. Use good filtration media not a sponge.
Define a good filter. What should I buy?

Thanks in advance if you don't mind answering a noobie.
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>>3987717

1/2

>What's your opinion on this guy's explanation and argument for cycling with fish? As a beginner cycling still, this guy tempts me greatly. Feel free to debunk if needed

So this guy is talking about a couple of things:

1. Myth of "don't change water when starting up the tank".

Completely false as I said, it is about removing the toxic substances before the filter is actually functioning/bacteria establish in the substrate. If you don't change the water you are more likely to have initial algae related to ammonia spikes, plants melting etc. I don't know why he says that this "myth" exists and he needs to debunk it, I think he is making this up. No water changes are done in "option 2" just because there is nothing alive in the tank that you have to protect and there is no light so algae will not grow.

2. Claim of "fish are safe from the get go".

There are many ways of doing things and there are many people who do things differently. Some approaches will for example work with most fish but not very sensitive fish like Otocinclus affinis. If you do all the water changes as prescribed by "option 1" then then many fish could probably be fine in the tank from the beginning.

But: I don't see a reason to potentially experiment with the health of my fish. A method used by most people that I am familiar with and myself is "option 1" because it is considered the safest. This "option 1" is the most brain dead method that will work for most people. Would fish be fine from the beginning with "option 1"? Maybe. Do I want to risk it? Nope. There is no reason to potentially harm them. Most of the people that I am familiar with that are well-known "aquascapers" that send works to IAPLC etc do what I said. The channels that try to make this stuff more approachable are probably MJ Aquascaping or Green Aqua and what I am posting largely correlates with what they say. "Option 1" is probably safest for the fish and there is no need to make it more complicated.
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>>3987717
2/2

>Hold up. Why does everyone say it takes 4-8 weeks? Except pet store employees say 1 week without genociding all their fish. Rather confused and been wondering.

I've always followed 2-3 weeks rule. When doing "option 1" it should be fine after 2 weeks but 3 weeks is even safer. I've never heard about 4-8 weeks. 1 week is probably significantly more risky even with water changes from "option 1".

>Define a good filter. What should I buy?

I don't know what your tank size is. That being said:

Do not get an internal filter. Do not just put sponge in it. You need something that acts as a good biological filtration media. Do not use plastic bioballs.

Good filters that you can hang on the side of the aquarium, on a budget (assuming you don't want an external canister filter):
>The VERSAMAX FZN series
>Oase FiltoSmart

The point is that they have a lot of filtration media volume, the first one is ok and is very cheap, it is made in Poland I think. Pick the size that fits your aquarium, in doubt go for a bigger one. Do NOT trust what the manufacturer writes on the box when it comes to aquarium sizes, just check the flow. 5-10x your aquarium volume per hour should be fine. There is no such thing as over filtering the tank and the filters have numbers for flow with no filtration media in them on the boxes.

If you want an external canister filter then Eheim is a budget option. Or go for large brands like Tetra, Fluval, JBL etc.

Fill the filter with filtration wool for mechanical filtration + ceramic filling for biological filtration. The layer of wool should be only a couple of centimeters thick, most filter volume should be the ceramic filling in my opinion. Any ceramic filling will be probably ok, some are very expensive, some are cheap, there are balls, tubes empty in the middle etc.

Good filter prevents algae, keeps the tank stable etc. I would recommend never cheaping out on that.

I kinda want to write that article for beginners now.
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>>3987086
Did you read my snail Post in the previous thread? I even gave you the pic of generic purple zoas
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>>3987727
>don't know why he says that this "myth" exists and he needs to debunk it, I think he is making this up.
To play devil's advocate, I've seen several people (not on here) claim you should never do water changes. Glad to have gotten advice from you so I don't make a dumb mistake, appreciated.

>>3987739
>don't know what your tank size is.
54l, I believe that is 14 gallons.

>Do not get an internal filter. Do not just put sponge in it.
>The VERSAMAX FZN series
Damn, I bought the Leddyr Aquael 60 starter set and the filter it comes with is called Asap Filter also by Aquael since it was on sale. I assume it's not that good? Comes with a sponge you put inside but I'd imagine I could add something else.

>Made in Poland I think
Indeed it is.

>There is no such thing as over filtering the tank and the filters have numbers for flow with no filtration media in them on the boxes.
Coolio, if you think my current filter is wack, I could get a second filter then.

>Tetra, Fluval, JBL etc.
Based Tetra. Thanks, been wondering what other brands outside Tetra are good.

>Good filter prevents algae, keeps the tank stable etc. I would recommend never cheaping out on that.
Good tip i never saw anyone mention, either on YT nor irl people I've asked. Thank you, anon. You're great.

>>3987706
>Option 1: Normal wet start:
>start the tank with plants only
Is it bad I already have one small plant, gravel, and have been adding fish food for almost a week now? Added safestart and water conditioner too prior.

Sorry if I sound retarded.
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>>3987706
Another retard question. I've heard everyone say "you need source of ammonia to feed the beneficial bacteria. Until you add a source of ammonia, you aren't starting the cycle", did I miss something? Also read everywhere to use test strips daily.
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>>3987709
probably the airstone. unless you're buying bulk just give Corey your money, you stingy bastard. He has two Mbus to feed, clams aren't cheap.
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>>3987758
>To play devil's advocate, I've seen several people (not on here) claim you should never do water changes. Glad to have gotten advice from you so I don't make a dumb mistake, appreciated.
I think most aquariums are too unstable for this. People do this with some low tech set ups but I personally would be worried about my animals.

>54l
Good for the beginning I think, larger tanks are more expensive to set up and maintain, smaller tanks are more unstable.

>Asap Filter
I would avoid internal filters in general but I am sure this filter will work initially for you. It is just easier to have a good filter as it makes the aquarium more stable. You can upgrade in the future. Basically there is useless overpriced gear in this hobby, but usually the better gear isn't used for no reason but because it actually makes things easier eg. a better filter.

>Is it bad I already have one small plant, gravel, and have been adding fish food for almost a week now? Added safestart and water conditioner too prior.
No, I just don't think it is needed. Either way you should wait 2-3 weeks before adding fish. Also having more plants actually makes the aquarium easier to maintain so one of good tips is "plant heavily from the beginning".

In general I think that the first time around will be a bit of a learning process so you just gotta start doing it and then you can start changing things and upgrading gear step by step for example. People do many different things, low tech tanks, high tech tanks, no water changes tanks, no filter tanks, a lot of weird stuff. It is just that not all approaches are going to work for everyone and some of them require more knowledge than the others.
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>>3987758
counterpoint to that guy i think filtration is overrated and people overspend on it. I do think in the context of small tanks with novice aquarists you will have an easier time with a HOB for the reason he stated, it increases effective water volume/surface area and will help reduce algae spikes. HOB with an intake sponge is kind of the best of both worlds in that sense, but I run multiple 10-20 gallon tanks with just the sponge filter, have run them that way for years.
Surface area is really the main thing that a HOB or canister is providing, nitrifying bacteria will grow on any surface in the tank so if you're loaded up on plants and decor the main benefit of a better filter is higher flow which sort of acts as a multiplier in that it circulates the dirty water around the tank, diluting it and exposing it to your bacteria more quickly. Also depends on your stock and stocking levels, some fish do better with higher or lower flow, more heavily stocked tanks will run into less problems with higher flow.

End of the day, algae isn't bad and it will be temporary. You'll have a diatom algae phase, you may have hair, staghorn, et. al taking off as well which are extra cancerous. But eventually the nutrient balance in your water will stabilize and your plants that feed from the water column (anubias, java fern, hornwort, duckweed, etc) will start out-competing algae for nutrients. Properly fertilize and don't overfeed and you generally won't see significant amounts of algae build up again.

I agree with the other stuff though. Bottled bacteria is a meme, cycling fish in 'works' but it's not necessary and doesn't speed up the cycling process at all. If you want to put something live to cycle in there start with snails (you'll probably get free ones on your plants). Plants will carry a bunch of bacteria to help kickstart your cycle. If you're going to be breeding egglayers in the tank you need to exterminate the snails later.
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>>3987755
>Did you read my snail Post in the previous thread? I even gave you the pic of generic purple zoas
Oh, heck yeah. And thank you. That's why I changed my "what am I doing this week" to adding 2 stomatella/astrea snails. However, the algae I have growing looks like hair algae. My LFS told me that those snails won't help much with hair algae and that I should get an emerald crab instead. That would be $10 instead of $2, but he said that emerald crabs are hardier than most snails anyway.

Not sure if I should believe him though -- but I do like emeralds a lot.

And I've gotta get some crabs to live first before I get my own zoas. So I'm jealous (not that that takes very much yet).

>>3987670
In reality, my allowance is $35 a week. Both my wife and I have our own allowances which I keep telling all my friends that they need to do so they don't have unnecessary battles with the ladies over silly things they want (or more importantly, so their womens don't spend all the money) :P
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>>3987771
>I think most aquariums are too unstable for this. People do this with some low tech set ups but I personally would be worried about my animals
And plants I assume. Thanks for clarifying.

>smaller tanks are more unstable.
How so? Is it just that it gets dirty quicker and risks more frequent ammonia spikes?

>Either way you should wait 2-3 weeks before adding fish.
Thank you a lot. Thank goodness i won't need to wait freaking 6-8 weeks like most online articles I read claim. This has made my day.

>having more plants actually makes the aquarium easier to maintain so one of good tips is "plant heavily from the beginning".
Only here on 4chan do I hear the opposite of what more mainstream places claim, such as "more plants is HARDER bro", I always suspected they were wrong because plants sound very beneficial. Thanks.

>can start changing things and upgrading gear step by step for example.
Question. Is it true aquarium heaters can randomly within 2 years fail and boil your fish to death? Been paranoid ever since I read that heaters are unreliable and break fast. My heater detects temperature and changes on its own how hot to get, but claims to always keep the water 25C, also by aquael. Thoughts? Should I upgrade heater in less than 12 months to be safe? Also heard of using temperature alarms that ring and wake you up when it overheats, might try that.
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>>3987778
Thank you very much for your input and tips, it makes sense why that might work better for others. Why is bottled bacteria a meme by the way?

>>3987771
>>3987778
Question for you both. Is it true, at least here in the EU, that you need to rinse off or remove pesticides from the plants using chemicals? Some sources claim when they didn't do that, the pesticides killed all their fishes in every tank the plants were planted in. Others claim that within the EU, they only allow pesticide use that is gentle and wont kill fish, and simply a quick rinse of cold water is enough to make the plant safe. Which one is more likely true? Also do I need to quarantine plants in the future for pests?
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>>3987780
>In reality, my allowance is $35 a week. Both my wife and I have our own allowances which I keep telling all my friends that they need to do so they don't have unnecessary battles with the ladies over silly things they want (or more importantly, so their womens don't spend all the money)

Ah I see, fair fair. Still though, if you and your woman have that issue in the first place (not you anon, just people in general), sounds like they aren't compatible or don't communicate. I'm sure with proper communication, and a woman who isn't vain and over consooms, you don't even need to make a specific allowance rule in some relationships. But if this is a solution you prefer, sounds cool.
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>>3986995
still waiting on some hard scape supplies to come in, but I decided to add a some rooted pathos cutting to my HOB, sucked out the low level of nitrate my cycling tank produced. Plants must not use nitrite, it read a bit higher than the last time I checked?

so my water is very soft, and I have access to aquifer water with a TDS of 30 if I wanted. How do I prevent a pH crash, while maintaining an acidic environment? Would I need to buffer with coral or something, and just monitor the pH levels? I’m don’t fully understand the nitrogen cycle in a very low pH environment other than matching water change water to the tank becomes problematic.
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>>3987068
>relivent
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>>3987709
I second giving daddy cory money
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Does the silicone gluing ever rot or deteriorate and lead to leaking due to old age? I assume that's why some people use acrylic tanks.
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>>3987810
It's held by miracles (magnets)
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>>3987811
yes it does, especially if tanks sit with no water in areas that have big temp swings like a garage etc
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>>3987811
It will degrade but if the glass is undamaged it can be resealed.
At some point at larger scales I guess thickness/weight/pricepoint shift towards Acrylic for certain applications?
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>>3987816
>>3987813
But it'll last at least 5 years? Assuming you don't put it inside your damn garage, right?
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>>3987836
No reason it shouldn't.
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>>3987836
yup.
I'm only saying garage because when I rebuilt tanks I get them on the super cheap used and most of the time they are in garages.
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Vintage fishe https://youtu.be/dh1M3sAuSBU
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Story from Muslim coworker
>Oh anon, I used to have the same size tank
>The drawer platform was 60x30, exactly like my tank
>One day it exploded so my father ran in to save the fish
>Needed surgery because the glass shards sliced open his entire foot.

Do Muslims not wear shoes/slippers or something?
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>>3987856
I think most Asians don't. But he deserved it, knowing there're shards everywhere.
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>>3987858
>I think most Asians
They're not the asian kind. But i see your point. Still, even if cultural, grab some shoes before you go in, damn...
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>>3987856
The better question would be how the fuck did the tank explode?
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>>3987890
I assume the silicone wore off, or the drawer was too narrow.
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anything I should do to prepare these “““”botanicals””””
not another cent to the leaf jew
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>>3987898
just boil them
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>>3987902
kk, I noticed some black mold I should probably kill. I’m curious how much tannin these have. There’s a big pin oak next door but the leaves look so temperate :3
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>>3987903
>>3987902
Teafag and ex plantfag here, boiling hot water releases tannin rapidly and leaves little to nothing left in the leaf. Mildly hot water removes some filth without releasing giant amounts of tannin.

From what I've heard, people buy these Leaves for the tannin itself, so, I'd assume you dony want to waste them by boiling and ruining them. If there's indeed mold there then every single leaf had already been contaminated.
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>>3987925
Part 2

>Don't*
If the water has fog coming out of it due to heat, it's too hot and will evaporate literally every single tannin, rendering said leaf useless.
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>>3987780
Emeralds also eat bubble algae rather reliable from what I heard, just make Sure you get a female one as the males are very likely to just eat your corals. The females have a broader "bottom flap" compared to the male's V shape(females store their eggs there) also females sadly Look Not so cool, males have cool large claws. Maybe try getting a red-legged reef hermit, they are said to be really peaceful and also eat algae.

Zoas are perfect for a New Tank imo, early on there are no algae and shit to Chance the parameters a lot and they like a Tag of nitrate in the water. Maybe you can even score a free frag somewhere in a hobbyist Group or something. I paid 10-20€ for the frag I showed you and they are said to grow like weeds.

Sadly for some reason zoas have a Bad time in my Tank, recently lost another colony and out of my three remaining ones only the guy in my last pic looks good, the other two Look like shit and none of the three really get more polyps.
But seriatopora is coloring up and growing slowly. What did aquarium mean by this?
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>>3987925
boiling helps them sink, then you fill the pot with cool water until room temp and dump the stained water in the tank.
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>>3987925
>assume you dony want to waste them by boiling and ruining them.
I’ll probably just blanch them. I’m not that concerned about the mold going aquatic and messing with the tank but doesn’t hurt to somewhat sterilize them

these particular leaves should last awhile. I should have grabbed some mature leaves as they were much thicker and shiny, they probably would last very long in the aquarium.
anyhow I’ll brew up a small batch and see if the tannin content is even worthwhile. They do look nice and could stand in for a tropical hardwood, so there’s that
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>>3987928
Okay idea, yeah.
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>Is colored aquarium gravel safe? Yes, Most aquarium gravels on the market are created from safe no leech plastics and natural stones or coated with polymer seal.

Are dyed gravels safe? If yes, any brands to avoid or to trust?
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>>3987781
>"more plants is HARDER bro"
I think more accurately it can be said that having a good planted tank can be more complicated. Sometimes you can just plant the shit out of your tank and it'll work out, but there's a lot of people here with problems of plants melting/getting overrun with black beard algae, and never bouncing back. A good planted tank requires patience and adjustment to get to a nice equilibrium, but once that's established, it's incredibly easy to maintain. For instance my planted tank has zero nitrates regardless of how I feed.

>>3987780
>he algae I have growing looks like hair algae
Hair algae is tricky. As it's a new tank I wouldn't do anything too drastic as your aquarium is still finding its equilibrium. With hair algae, no one likes to eat it except sea hares, but they are fucking huge (literally a foot long). There are certain smaller inverts that MAY eat it, but it's not guaranteed; it's certainly not going to be their preferred food. Also when it gets to be longer than peach fuzz, I've found smaller inverts like eating it less and less. I used to have a half dozen sea lettuce slugs which were obviously eating it, unfortunately they never seemed to want to reproduce in my tank. Their expected lifespan is purportedly to be only about six months and they're pretty pricey. Mine lasted a bit over a year though so individual experiences will vary.

Emerald crabs are hit and miss. Some are friendly, some are assholes. Some are reef safe, some are not. Some will eat hair/bubble algae, some will not. It's impossible to tell beforehand; even a female isn't indicative of less aggression.

>>3987780
>In reality, my allowance is $35 a week.
That's a pretty rough budget for starting a reef tank, not gonna lie, lol. With patience it can be done though. Look at your local facebook groups or craigslist for frags. They'll be WAY cheaper than LFS. Facebook groups preferred as you can vet the source.
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>>3987781
>Question. Is it true aquarium heaters can randomly within 2 years fail and boil your fish to death?
Yes, I've recently had an adjustable Aqueon have a failure in its temp sensor, and now will only go full blast, 100% of the time. Luckily it's not in regular use anymore and I only use it to heat up saltwater mixing tubs, but last time I did that, I came back and the tub was sitting at 86F when the dial was set to 78F.

What I and many reefers do is use a temperature controller as a failsafe like this one:
https://www.saltwateraquarium.com/dual-digital-aquarium-heater-controller-w-dual-probes-wifi-itc-306a-inkbird/?gclid=CjwKCAiA4veMBhAMEiwAU4XRr9QGNkNqAYB8XQNud7vz0WpoauMtSC_wzef6C4iAOWOm0piXFm_YURoCH_YQAvD_BwE
It will automatically cut power to the heater if the tank goes above a certain temp (and also cut power to the cooler if it goes below a certain temp, if you do employ a cooler).

This does not guard against catastrophic mechanical failure though (i.e. exploding heaters). I've never had that happen but I've read that when it does, it'll leak all sorts of weird shit into the tank. Not fun times. I buy more expensive stuff now to try to be on the safer side (BRS titanium heaters; however these require a separate controller).
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>>3987949
>As it's a new tank I wouldn't do anything too drastic as your aquarium is still finding its equilibrium
How does a tank find its own equilibrium and how long does it take? What's the process and stages?
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>>3987951
Pricey but worthy device. Also whoa, why do some explode? How rare is that? How many years have you used cheaper heaters?
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>>3987942
>Are dyed gravels safe? If yes, any brands to avoid or to trust?
My GF used to have them and we kept a shit ton of endlessly reproducing mollies with them for years. However the gravel is only coated in that color, and that coating does wear/chip off eventually (fun fact: they're this milky grey/white color underneath). I have no idea if it's totally safe for fish when it chips off, but again, our fish were seemingly okay.

These days I wouldn't risk it as I do not have livebearers that reproduce every month and it just looks absolutely disgusting. Like many here I've gravitated towards planted tanks with black substrate (technically organic soil topped with a black substrate).
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>>3987957
Interesting thanks. Geez, wonder how they look once chipped, sounds gross.
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>>3987952
>How does a tank find its own equilibrium and how long does it take? What's the process and stages?
Can't say. Could take literally years, could take a couple months. It's something reefers are always struggling with, but we all seem to agree that it will be much longer than a few weeks. BulkReefSupply has done shit tons of videos documenting starting up tanks under different conditions over the course of an entire year, and the results varied wildly, however they all took some months to get over the "ugly phase" as we call it. Most of the time they didn't need to do anything for it to pass but many do. For instance I recently had an outbreak of dino (Ostreopsis dinoflagellates) even though I hadn't changed a single thing in the tank (no new coral or fish or inverts, same settings on lights and flow for like five months), and that does NOT go away without intervention, whether it be nutrient dosing or UV, etc. And any time you add stuff, it could throw the balance off, moreso than a freshwater aquarium. For instance adding some hard coral (SPS/LPS), you could now be looking at significant alkalinity depletion whereas your formerly soft coral collection was manageable with water changes.

Again, just patience and observation. As an older reefer once told me: reef tanks are like big ships. You can't change its direction quickly.

>>3987954
>Also whoa, why do some explode? How rare is that? How many years have you used cheaper heaters?
Extremely rare. Usually a manufacturing defect (there was famous incident where a giant batch had an incredibly high failure rate). I think the one that failed me was about four years old. I'm under the impression that adjustable ones fail more often than set point.
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https://youtu.be/i-ahuZEvWH8
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>>3987942
>Are dyed gravels safe? If yes, any brands to avoid or to trust?
Yes, they usually are safe, but most unnatural colors like blue, pink and red look ugly in a fish tank imho tbqh.
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>>3987785
>you need to rinse off or remove pesticides from the plants using chemicals
I've never heard about this, I guess it doesn't matter if you are setting up a tank as you will be doing a lot of water changes. However when I plant the plants I always process them in a bowl of water first so I guess that rinses them. I do this because it is the easiest to remove the wool when the plant is under water and if it is an in vitro plant then you have to rinse out the gel.

>also do I need to quarantine plants in the future for pests?
I don't know if that would help to be honest. It happened to me that I dragged some snails into the tank even though my aquarium shop is well respected in the past though. I just removed them afterwards.

>How so? Is it just that it gets dirty quicker and risks more frequent ammonia spikes?
A dying fish or plant or dosing slightly bigger amount of nutrients if what you are dosing normally is a small amount would sway the environment much more than in a large tank.

>Thank you a lot. Thank goodness i won't need to wait freaking 6-8 weeks like most online articles I read claim. This has made my day.
Yeah dunno, I just really have never seen a figure that high. Sources that I read always said that 3 weeks is enough.

>more plants is HARDER bro
There are harder and easier plants but in general it is easier to have more plants. I also recommend constructing a CO2 producing bottle and using it. You can do it out of a soda bottle and some yeast with sugar and gelatin. It is way easier to have nice plants with CO2 and it is very easy to make a bottle like this, google it. Otherwise you have to stick to easy plants or they will not be very happy or healthy desu.

>always keep the water 25C
I would say 22-23C is good for a planted tank, 25 is starting to get a bit high, warmer water leads to algae. For me my tank stays at 25C without a heater. Realistically unless you live in an iglo you will not need a heater.
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Replying to that anon about heaters reminded me to post about my heater.

>Day 8 pic related
Small amounts of Green Spot Algae and Green Thread Algae as well as something that looks like possible beginnings of Black Brush Algae. They were already there 2 days ago and I don't think I can see more now. Did a 50% water change. Dosed 1 ml of Tropica Specialized Nutrition. The plants were perling slightly during the day, possibly because they are responding to the nutrients.

I can see some green leaves in the rotting blob that once was Hydrocotyle tripartita. Because of this I am still hoping that it will recover and I've not removed it from the tank. The only question is if those leaves are Hydrocotyle tripartita or something else that managed to land on it.

I can see that every single plant in the tank is producing new leaves which is a very nice sight.

I got a new thermomether which is showing a more realistic temperature of 23°C which also matches what my new heater is displaying. The old thermomether is basically showing a temperature 6°C too low. That means that when I listened to it in confusion for one day and turned the old leaking heater up the temperature must have went up all the way to about 29°C.

>Day 7
I see no difference after dosing a small amount of Tropica Specialized Nutrition yesterday.

>Day 6
Minor algae that I would identify as Green Spot Algae. Did a 50% water change. Light intensity increased to 80%. Dosed 1 ml of Tropica Specialized Nutrition to see how the plants will respond. This was all performed 2 hours after the lights came on which is not ideal.

1/2
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2/2

>Day 6 cont (pic related)
Hydrocotyle tripartita has nearly completly decomposed. I believe that this plant wasn't healthy as when planting I could see that the roots were basically black and it seemed that something bad had happened to it. It was an in vitro plant so it was sealed and theoretically it should be fine to store it for a long time. I am going to leave it in as I have some hopes for it still, there is a little part of it that seems partially fine so hopefully it survives and comes back from this somehow.

4chan strips exif so the images aren't rotated properly sigh
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>>3988053
>Yeah dunno, I just really have never seen a figure that high. Sources that I read always said that 3 weeks is enough.
Really? Wow. What sources?

Maybe you haven't read beginner crap or seen more recent videos in a long while since you're not new anymore. But i recall Girl Talks Fish in one video said some absurd number like how she once had to wait 6 weeks to cycle a tank or two.

Began today doing the method I was suggested on here, the water looks much clearer. Will buy more plants this Saturday or tomorrow if it wont rain.

Thanks to all the anons who've helped me so far. It's been very insightful.

>There are harder and easier plants but in general it is easier to have more plants
That's going to help me a lot to be aware of. I was just now wondering if that was the case.

>Otherwise you have to stick to easy plants or they will not be very happy or healthy desu.
So slow growing plants that can use inert substrates will grow fine too, right? I'll consider doing that bottle tip, but for the time being I want to try just growing slow easy plants since I'm a bit overwhelmed for now.

>would say 22-23C is good for a planted tank, 25 is starting to get a bit high, warmer water leads to algae
Daaaamn, imagine having an adjustable heater. Feels bad man. Guess I'm stuck at 25c for a good while.

>Realistically unless you live in an iglo you will not need a heater.
My home around November gets so cold I don't even leave the bed with two sheets on, unless I wear layers of wool sweaters and two pants on.

Imagine affording to warm your house, damn....feelsbadman.
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>>3987852
>3 goldfish in a 5 gallon
based boomers
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>>3988071
CO2 is for when you're looking to get into doing more challenging to grow plants. Plenty of quick growing plants do fine in low CO2 water such as water sprite, hornwort, water wisteria, duckweed, etc. Of course with quick growing stuff you will have to trim more, but when you trim you get a free plant so IMO fast growing stuff is good. If you're just looking for nutrient export, which is the thing about plants that make aquariums easier, these are all pretty great options. Another option is a Pothos with roots draped into the water since it can grow like that and its access to atmospheric CO2/light outside of water make it very efficient at pulling shit out of the water.

Slow easy plants like crypts are also good and don't necessarily need an active substrate, you can always just plop a root tab under them. I advise against CO2 unless you've got your eyes on a plant that needs it, it's just one more thing to go wrong in your tank. If you ever want to do carpets or colorful plants, those are typically where you need CO2 for good results.
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>>3988185
LOL
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>If you ever want to do carpets or colorful plants

I was able to get dwarf hairgrass to grow and spread in sand with just root tabs. Was nice.
I use co2 in all my tanks now even with low light stuff. Really makes things explode.
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>>3988301
>he doesn't take his fish on walks
they probably know you don't love them and it breaks their little wet hearts. they probably cry every day and you cant see it cause they're in a box full of water
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>>3988316
>tfw the tank gets water changes through the tears it sheds by not going on walks with his human homie.
I cri everitim ;___;
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>>3988316
My fish get stuck in plants
I'm afraid they'll drown if I take them out for walks
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>>3988366
They won't drown out of water. They will be good
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How big of a deal is school size for cories and otos? I'm thinking of 4 of each for my 20 gallon high assuming the otos will mostly be on my wood and glass and cories in the substrate. Should I just skip cories and double down on shrimp?
main midwater fish will be variatus platys.
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>>3988390
oh also this will be an unheated tank that will be ~68-70 most of the year, probably into the 80s in the summer, i've heard pepper/panda cories and otos are fine at this temp but is that really true?
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>>3987949
>You're poor!
I saved up $1000 first, thinking it would be enough to get started and build up some fishies and corals. I was so fucking wrong that I'm now trying to sell some comics. I probably should have saved up $1500 first, and that would have let me start a cheap BioCube and some cheap corals.

I'm gonna need to talk my wife into raising our allowances.

>>3987949
>hair algae
When I dropped my new crab in there it immediately fell into the liverock where the hair algae was, started eating, and kept running around plucking and feeding. He also waves at me when I walk by.

>>3987927
I'm not sure if I got a boy or girl crab yet, since I kept the lights off all day after getting my new pets home. Either way, crabbie is hungry. The damsel fishies have been hiding and seem stressed though. Hopefully they relax tomorrow and come out for dinner.

>>3987787
It's really crazy how some couples deal with money. My best friend makes $175k/yr and has tons of money problems with his woman maxing out credit cards and spending random amounts all over the place. His wife definitely needs an allowance before she bankrupts them. I don't get it.
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Pretty sure I am being seduced. Wat do.
Cunt still wont eat pellets.
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>>3988527
Bloodworms? Daphnia?
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>>3988529
Alternating currently between bloodworms, brine shrimp, salmon and garlic/peas with the prior three.
Doesn't eat any of them coated in fluval betta flakes either lol. Too smart for that.
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Why do you wanna feed your betta pellets tho?
I mean I know that the specificly branded betta pallets have some ingredients that are essential for them that are not found in normal fishfood, but wouldnt a pure livefeed diet be the most natural way to keep your fish?
Or am I missing something and I still need to feed my betta pallets to avoid some sort of deficiency?
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>>3988628
>>3988527
meant to reply you
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>a yellow shrimp suddenly appear in my cherry shrimp tank
Should I get rid of it? This is my only shrimp tank.
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>>3988390
10 is better for otos. Bare minimum 6 but they won't thrive as much. 4 if you're really a faggot, but they won't behave like normal by that point.
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>>3988459
>really crazy how some couples deal with money.
Vanity, her heart is in the wrong place, and flat out addiction. Girls from neglected households develop addictive personalities and over buy nonsense constantly because they're trying to fill some sort of void in their heart.
That or she never got kids and now she wonders why she's addicted to buying.

No offense but it sounds like something is missing in her life. I thought I was bad when I used to buy 6 books a month. This is coming from someone who has met girl friends in group therapy and every single woman there was addicted to buying clothing and I helped them slowly quit. And even they didn't spend that much.
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>>3988628
Been wondering something similar since I've heard some claim that this can constipate Bettas and it's better to have breaks frok animal protein some days in the week.
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>>3988459
I am Not entirely certain but it looks like a female, just try to check for it's bottom. Pic relaxed aren't emerald crabs but it is very Uniform when it comes to true crabs.

I am thinking of getting one too, or a hermit. Aquarium is only corals and snaiö for 5 months or so
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>>3988664
Forgot pic, oops
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>>3988666
This image is sexist, trans crabs lives matter. #notallcrabs look the same. Male crabs can give birth too. Cisheteronormative. Why are you cishet so overly focused on what's underneath the crabs pants? It's what their gender expression that truly matters.
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>>3988664
> Not entirely certain but it looks like a female
Did you just assume that Crab's gender? What if he's a ftm going through hrt? What if he's non binary?
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>>3988668
>>3988670
I didn't expect this but it made me lol.
Female crabs are much tamer than males, maybe that fits the Tran Agenda a bit.

Why is one of my duncan Headset looking so retarded while the others Look fine?
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>>3988674
Good to hear my cheap humor amused you.

>Female crabs are much tamer than males, maybe that fits the Tran Agenda a bit.
Wait, that's not the gender stereotypes with humans? Or is this American culture I can't understand.
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>>3988651
well there's no way i don't starve 10 otos in a (relatively) new 20 gallon. I think then the plan is get it set up and cycled, add shrimp from my shrimp tank, add the platties and then maybe 6 months down the road add a school of otos and watch how they do. The more I mess with the scape the less it looks like i'll have a ton of exposed substrate for cories to dig around in anyways, shrimp should be able to take care of that.
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>>3988632
If you want to maintain higher quality reds you should exile it to another tank. Personally I don't care and have all colors in my shrimp tank. You'll end up with a random assortment of generally less brightly colored shrimp and more 'natural' cryptic colorations similar to amano shrimp if you let the colors mix for awhile.
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>spider set up a web between my tank and light in the middle of the night
what a feller, helping my fish celebrate thanksgiving with live food!
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>>3988676
Yeah, because it's the human Stereotype that women are more civilized. Though in emerald crabs it is actually true.


That one head looks always so pissed, the others are doing good in the current and light AAAAAAAHHHHH
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So if I have a 1 to 2 week vacation and turn my aquarium lights off, are slow growing plants gonna react badly or mess up the oxygen for fish? Read some claim after a few days, the plants eat oxygen up.
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>>3988831
put your lights on a timer, you can probably buy them on black friday sale right now.
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>>3988833
Here we don't have black Friday except for a few useless items. I'll just try to get it after corona nonsense ends I guess.
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>literally looked everywhere
>Not a single shop here nor cities nearby have ammonia test strips
>Amazon shipping to here has feral savage prices
Feels bad man.
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Do aquariums benefit from having a cleanup-crew like terrariums do?
Surely there are some beneficial bugs and insects that can live in the soil, or?
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>>3988831
Depends on your plant load and how much surface agitation you have.
I'd just do as >>3988833 suggests, and get a timer.
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>>3988837
well i had my fish in an unheated unlit garage with just natural sunlight and a window for about a week and a half and most of them were fine, i lost one flagfish due to a cold snap but everyone else came out with some stress, but they survived.
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>>3988866
the entire concept of a 'cleanup crew' comes from aquariums. Shrimp, snails and worms can all help break down uneaten food and fish waste into forms that are more easily accessible by plants. Most display tanks that don't feature major predators will include some shrimp and snails. You can't really use them in a breeding tank except for with livebearers though because shrimp/snails will eat fish eggs all day.
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>>3988866
>cleanup-crew
So, snails, shrimps and detritus worms?
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>>3988841
when in doubt, water change
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flower alert

it is Bucephalandra Velvet
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>>3988947
FUCK I forgot about the picture
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>>3988948
well fuck. Thats awesome and pretty.
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>>3988948
Did you just buy the plant and it had the flower still from back when it were grown over water?
Seems odd that the plant would do that while emerged under water
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I have snails in some of my tanks which I don't mind, they don't harm anything but I notice they shit a lot. Is their shit any more or less dangerous/toxic than fish shit? I just pippette out the shit from the bottom when I get a chance
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>>3989090
it's the same basic thing as fish shit, snails do have bioload impact and large snails can be ounce for ounce more impactful than fish are. Snails can help break down big fish shits into littler fish shits but snails are only 'cleaning' your tank if you regularly cull and remove them.
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anons, i'm a new aquarist that has managed well enough to NOT kill mosquitofish yet.
BUT, i've recently noted they don't eat the crushed pellets i used to give them as readily, tho they're a hungry bunch.
and so it ends up floating around and getting stuck around for the snails, which is fine but i'd like the fish to eat properly.
i noticed them going though the bottom of the tank lookng for food/eating the sinking tabs i sometime give them, which really surprised me as i thought they'd much prefer stuff on the surface.
should i give them some form of skiking pellets?
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>>3989127
>managed to not kill mosquitofish
mosquitofish are just about the only thing you can put in a tank that's harder to kill than snails.
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>>3989134
i managed to kill seedshrimp, don't try me
>they're now a happy ccolony in a jam jar with some asellus
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>>3988999
That is exactly what happened but they do it sometimes :P
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Having trouble figuring out what is going wrong with my aquarium right now, lost 4 new bolivian rams recently and have been seeing some act irritated.
Ammonia has been 0 nitrites have been 0 and nitrates never go above 30-40 ish so it doesn't seem to be nitrate poisoning. Since they were flashing but not showing signs of ick I thought it might have been a parasite like gill flukes and treated with praziquantel. That mostly seemed to upset the fish and I started to lose some, I read that it should be pretty effective if the cause were parasites.
Finished that treatment 3 weeks ago and after kept the temp at 85 for a week. Still been seeing some flashing from the remaining cichlid, and some of my corys.

I'm just kind of at a loss now, could it be some kind of poisoning from the wood in the tank? I would think the worst thing wood could do is rot and make ammonia but it is found wood.
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well this bitch is gonna explode...
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>>3989148
>nitrates never go above 30-40
How about keep it in the 20s, wtf?
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>>3989157
I could probably get it a bit lower yeah, usually it's about 30s after adding ferts, and below 20 after 3 or 4 days. I'm not sure it would be enough to outright kill some fish though would it? The fish I lost were completely refusing to eat even frozen bloodworms, so maybe it stressed them out too much?
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>>3989162
What kind of wood is it? did you just put random wood in the tank without IDing what type it is? Walnut will kill everything in the tank over time, most softwoods rot fast or release some kind of cancer. Really for temperate woods, maple is your best bet, oak if you don't mind or actually want tannins. 40ppm nitrates is kinda fucking high tho desu. If there was already something minor bothering them it could have exacerbated it. I try to stay around 20 for tanks with fish in them, lower for sensitive stuff.
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>>3989169
I believe it's grape vine, I've seen a few posts of people using it online and they never mention poison just sometimes they can rot fast.
I guess for the best I better remove it, just going to be a pain since I've got anubias on them.
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>>3989173
>grape vine in an aquarium
terrible fucking idea, it rots fast, only use hardwood in an aquarium. Also those nitrate levels are pretty high for rams, they're not as sensitive as discus but IMO 20 or less is ideal.
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>>3989150
is that your mom behind you?
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>>3989178
i dont think so, i was alone when i took the picture.
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>>3989186
thats either a chair or your fishtank is haunted buddy
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God what is it with people who are such pussies they can't be bothered to just cull their pest snails? I see people posting in fish keeping groups and they literally will let their snail population explode or would rather dump invasive snails into their local environment when they literally could just kill them when they're still eggs.
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Any /aq/ related black friday deals anons?
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I haven't fed my fish in 5 days
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>>3989273
Bohooo. My arowana haven’t ate in 2 months and half and he’s still alive and well.
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>>3989223
I dunno I want a Fluval plant 3.0 though
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>>3989273
>>3989307
maybe feed em a little?
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>>3989090
pretty much everything they eat would rot and turn into even more ammonia and stuff anyway. They are beneficial.
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>thanksgiving is over
merry fishmas guys, remember to decorate your tanks!
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>>3989150
I'd probably put some acrylic strips around the top, to take some of the stress from those chipped areas.
I've never worked with untreated glass so I can't weigh in much, but toughened glass just fuckin asplodes. RIP all apprentice balustrade installers carrying their first few sheets of manufactured-to-fit, toughened floating glass panels. The seniors will ask what he's worried about and boot them with steelcaps, but the moment you chip a cunt on the corner/edge...
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>>3988628
Trying to vary his diet more.
Currently he's only interested in frozen brine, bloodworms and the little chunks of garlic/salmon I blend in a fraction of fluval betta flakes with. And I mean a fraction, too much and he's not interested in what he'd normally try to stab me over. I've tried a few DIY recipes and even fasting him for a while he wasn't interested in anything with green in it. He's poopin and active so I'm not worried, just trying to do the best I can.
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>>3989488
I put some decorations on my Bettas tanks. The window clings fell off when I moved his tank. At least they caught his attention for like, 30 seconds.
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My snail & shrimp tank has been up and running for almost 7 months now and my nitrate is still at zero. What gives?
I only have moss and crypts.
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>>3989517
Maybe it's nicely balanced?
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>>3989519
Impossible, I'm a fuck up. There's a 99% chance of me doing something wrong.
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>>3989512
I used to keep my betta in a pseudo plant stock tank, along with the actual plants in the substrate, 6-12 potlets (?) to grow out a bit before I threw them in my main tanks. I'd move them around to different light levels every other day and it seemed to keep him fairly amused for a day.
Newtankwhodis, but still had his safety corner I never touched.
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>>3989520
Tfw you have achieved learned accountability.
Idk, try altering a single parameter over a couple weeks and see what happens. Extra food, (boost in nitrates and subsequently growth of whatever is dominant) extra light (Same), different food etc. Are the other parameters stable week in and week out?
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>>3989521
I had to do a big cleaning in one of my tanks and my Betta was PISSED for days. He spent the next few days stressed and flaring at the snail in his tank until he chilled out.
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>>3989524
My ph has swung up slightly from last week and my gh has been slowly rising (purposefully), but that's it.
I'll add in some different blanched vegetables and more wafers to see if that makes a difference, thanks.
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>>3989528
My guy will come tearing ass from the other side of the tank to my feeding tweezers, flaring the whole way and attack it.
>Food falls from tweezers
Oh shit senpai you were food.

Mellow as when I change the tank around, starts slowly investigating everything and doesn't care about food while he does. Does he have a certain spot he always defaulted to but was now moved/gone?
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>>3989173
Did you buy it or randomly collect it outdoors? Heard taking woods from nature = oftem has parasites.
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>>3989186
/x/ momment
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>>3989222
I've hand culled (by watching yt videos how to snap necks correctly for feeder rats) pet rats that turned out to come from bad breeders who had anger issues (genetic and the rat won't live a good life and always act scared). I've once asked a friend to even help me when one was a child rat.

I've paid to euthanize most rats by putting to sleep at the vet, the ones who were ok bred but got old or paraplegic due to age.

I really don't understand people. Culling snails is more safesproof there won't be accidents and it's not a mammal, so there's less to anthropomorphize.

As a kid I've culled non aquarium snails because I knew releasing into the wild was a forbidden rule. So these grown ass men and women are less mature than a literal child who grew up without internet but still did research.

If you can't cull it, don't get it. It's your responsibility to be ready to cull if an animal becomes a danger to itself or other pets. Releasing into the wild is either torture to the animal, or dangerous to the eco system.
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>>3989307
>>3989273
Why are you guys not feeding them in the first place?
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I've got some African dwarf frogs in a 20 gallon and was hearing a noise I thought was an air line not working right.

Turns out ADFs are loud enough you can hear them underwater and I've been hearing the male trying to get laid.
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>>3989625
How does it sound exactly? Considered getting them but now this worries me if the landlord visits my place.
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>>3989628
https://youtu.be/fmqwlqTQ1qs not that loud. I've got three in my tank and I noticed it mostly because it's pretty quiet ATM.
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Why is my KH always too high? Fishless cycling a week now.
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Had my tank for about 3 weeks now and I've had a couple hitchhiking snails make it their home. Problem is, they're breeding like rats and there's these little clusters all over my tank. I don't plan on getting fish for another few weeks, but what should I grab besides maybe an assassin to keep these bastards in check?
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>>3987706
>Option 1: Normal wet start:
>start the tank with plants only
C-can I add fish food daily though? Doesn't a tank need ammonia to grow bacteria?
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Hey /aq/, I'm worried about my fish. Does this looks like the beginning of dropsy? He had pop eye recently that cured completely in a week. But now he's sitting at the bottom of the tank most of the time.
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>>3989673
Unless you're going to be breeding egglayers, snails aren't a problem. In fact squished snail is one of the best foods for many fish so you basically get free food growing in the tank off of detritus and algae. A single assassin snail really won't make a major dent in relatively well established snail populations unless you stop feeding the tank. Assassins aren't hermaphroditic though so unless you get a fertilized female they won't breed. If you introduce a colony into the tank they will and while they reproduce slower than bladder snails or ramshorns they'll still be a problem if you're currently having problems with other snails overpopulating.

No Planaria will nuke snails if you want a snail-free tank. Otherwise I'm a believer in manual removal with tweezers whenever they start overpopulating but otherwise ignoring them. Snails can work as a nutrient export pathway similar to plants, they eat the detritus and leftover food, instead of vaccing that you pull excess snails out, and squish some to feed to the fish (and shrimp, shrimp love picking at dead snails) since that doesn't add net nutrients to the system.
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>>3989779
Thanks for the reply. It looks like they're hellbent on killing themselves anyway as they've found their way into the filter. I'll leave the little buggers for now. I must be doing something right if they've started breeding so fast already, right?
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>>3989782
Snails will breed fast in basically any environment, i've had some toxic sludge cycling tanks with over 2ppm nitrite and all of the snails survived fine.
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>>3989832
FUCK
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>>3989834
looks good, how long have you had the monte carlo going? How much c02 you running?
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Trying figure out the best way to do DIY black background. So far thought about painting with a small roller or some black custruction paper. Paper is going to get wet and look like shit eventually. I feel I never get the background the way I want it.
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>>3989886
just use a roller and paint. Do three coats
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After a year+ of this highly concentrated all-in-one fert being great the plants are showing deficiencies (inert gravel). Turns out phosphate and iron slowly start combining and they both become unusable to plants, the higher the concentrate the faster it happens, which is why people have separate bottles for macros and micros.
Ordering some dry ferts today to mix up my own.
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>>3986995
I am at my wits end. This weird macro algae coats every available surface in my reef aquarium. I took this picture today, the lights just came back on yesterday after an entire week of full darkness with blackout curtains. I’m ordering 35% hydrogen peroxide, nothing else is working. Pic 1/2
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>>3989947
Pic 2/2, cleaner shrimp for scale.
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Anyone have success keep a tank at a lower PH than your tap water? I went down this road early in the hobby and found a stable PH is better than a lowered "correct" PH that has to be adjusted with chems. I use driftwood and plants, takes my tap from 7 to 6.5 which is pretty much perfect. Am interested in a Blackwater biotope setup, using Indian almond leaves and peat. I've read the Fluval Peat (all I can find for aquarium use) lowers the PH considerably and to use sparingly.
I'm not going to be pre treating all my WC water but it would be cool to get a equilibrium going some how that doesnt have wild swings.
Any thoughts? For now I'm sticking with what I have at 6.5 with plants and wood.
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>>3989947
>>3989949
What happens if you pluck it or dry the rocks?
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>>3990034
I run blackwater tanks as well. My ph out of the tap drifts all over the place dependent on the weather (long story figuring that out). I use co2 on my blackwater tanks as well for the floating plants and water column feeders.
You would want to measure your kh as well as ph. If your kh is stable and you're not dipping down under 6.0 ph you should be totally fine.
Just remember, your probably dropping a 1/2 point when doing water changes, if the fish aren't belly up after that you have a stable tank and no worries.
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>>3990049
It just comes back if I pluck it, and I have shrooms on the rocks that I don’t want dead.
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>>3990076
Ever keep Chocolate Gouramis? Sensitive but cool little fish.
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>>3990081
I am pretty new, maybe there are some nutrients that are fucked. Maybe they stop growing when the nutrients are drained after you plucked them a few times, dunno.
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>>3987446
Hey anon! I say a lack of responses and wanted to share my experience doing entry level poorboi setups. I can happily share that zoas are stupid easy, like they can get by on garbage accent lights in many cases.

Getting maximum pop and minimum algae means trying to calibrate your light in spectrum and intensity to be selectively useful for the coral, but a nice t8 or a run of the mill t5 will do you great. I am getting back in after a lapse and will be fucking around with LEDs this time around, but given your shallow depth and low intensity corals you might get by (very well) on less than 1 watt per gallon LED and can simply move frags near the top if you feel they aren't getting enough light.

As far as do's and don'ts: Do the largest tank you can manage (the maintenance and stability favors large), do the longest cycle you have the patience for (seed with some live rock), pack as much rock as you can get in the tank, and under stock the bioload first, build an algae scrubber second, and refer to steps 1&2 in this sequence if you find yourself 'needing' a protein skimmer.

Culturing more rock in a deep sand bed longer is the single best start to any marine tank, its boring but you can culture more coral algae and research while the rocks sit by themselves for 6 months. The bit I'll add though is if you had a short term budget for tank building and planned to fast track the cycle, I'd suggest re-working the budget and time table to see if you are willing to start a larger tank more slowly.
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Happy Thanksgiving Y'all!

Damsels did great. Emerald did great (he's in the bottom left of the picture, on the liverock). They've been in for 48 hours so if they keep this up another few days I'll probably get my Arrow Crab next week.

I found out that my brother has a 75 gallon freshwater tank and only has goldfish and guppies in it. He seriously only bought feeder fish because they were cheap. I told my nephews that they need to talk my brother into getting some Kuhli Loaches (the best fishies you can get for a freshwater tank).

Also, I discovered some thin white worm crawling on my glass. It's about an inch long and really thin. I didn't notice any bristles on his side, but maybe it's still something my future Arrow Crab will eat.
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>>3989619
I have a macrobrachium that naturally murders a lot, I am like Pontius Pilatus when it comes to surplus snails
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>>3990113
Happy thanksgiving! Really jealous of your crab and that stylish piece of rock, thinking about getting a Red legged reef hermit soon. My anemone managed to survive it's 3rd week I think, maybe it is time for the porcelain crab.
>duncans slowly Not retarded anymore
>fucked up utter Chaos getting more heads
Phew
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Building some planted tank lights with 100w COB LEDs.
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>>3990129
Using a switching power supply module to power the 12v heatsink fan. Just using an old CPU heatsink from my box of computer parts. These COBs are nice because they work straight from mains due to onboard circuitry so don't need a driver. I think total cost not counting the heatsink which I already had is about $5 per light. Parts came from AliExpress.
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>>3990133
Is that a bull shark?
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>Buy 5 green neans
>Get an extra one for free
Basedface.bmp
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>>3990129
>>3990131
Fellow DIYfag
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>>3990261
>Hit up my fav LFS
>Buying some cories
>One lone green laser Cory
>Buy some panda cories and the one GLC
>Employee gives me the GLC at the pandy Cory price.

Also glad I got them, they're really cute.
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Which way do I plant my banana lily if it looks like this?
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>>3990273
You just let them sit on top of the substrate, it'll put it's roots in by itself, if it's already got growth that side goes up.
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>>3990268
Little snuffers
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>>3990287
Look at the cute Lil snuffers.
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Just bought a 75 gal for half off. This is my first time ever doing a large tank so I'm looking at canister filters. Is it worth spending the extra money and getting something like a Fluval or are the cheapo canisters just as good?
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>>3990420
what's going to be worse, spending more money on a nicer can or having some indeterminate portion of ~80 gallons of water on your floor? I'm not big on canisters but absolutely dont cheap out, if you want to do a cheap big filter learn how2sump and build one from spare glass.
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>>3990420
I'd save yourself a shitload of money and get two big sponge filters (hide them behind plants etc) a descent air pump and a powerhead.
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>>3989885
I use and indicator with a 30mg/l fluid in it and keep it green. This aquarium is literally 10 days old but I didn't trim monte carlo when planting as I wanted to start with as much plants as possible (didn't have any as I am starting over after 3 years). I want to trim monte carlo in 4 days so that it has 2 full weeks to develop roots and acclimate. I thought that trimming heavily while planting may not be ideal for it.
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Is it true that many filter media are scam?
Are ceramic rings really worse than gravel?

https://aquariumscience.org/index.php/7-filter-media/
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>>3990832
yes basically lol. coarse foam/filter floss are the non-scam things to stuff in a filter.
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I caved and bought an anti-algae product. Within a few days my plants started growing again, and that's all the tank needed to overcome the algae. No regrets.
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>>3987890
well he did say he was a muslim coworker
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>>3987712
>he feeds his fish
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>>3990133
what does sex feel like bros...?
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>>3990839
Is there any algae remover that doesn’t harm shrimps?
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>>3989754
pic took now during epsom bath
does this appear to be pineconing?
:(
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>>3990904
similar to feeling in your hands when you pick up a large slimy eel
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>>3990912
depends on the algae. seachem excel/aquarium co op easy carbon are both shrimp safe afaik. both are deleterious to val family plants though so be careful in tanks with those.
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>>3990879
Based
That's the answer I was waiting for
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>>3990834
>yes basically lol. coarse foam/filter floss are the non-scam things to stuff in a filter.
Nice, bought some coarse filter foam. I looked up some DIY aquaponic filter systems and they use all kinds of stuff, including polyethylene nets and bottle caps.
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>>3990420
two aquaclear 70s or a 110. If your running sand then I would say go another directions like a sponge filter. Make sure the canister your looking at can be tuned to the correct flow for your tank and won't blow away all your fish or not have enough flow.
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>>3990981
Yeah unless you're doing treatment via filter (ie crushed coral, carbon if you're one of those faggots) there's no reason to not cheap out on what you're putting in there. As long as it's nontoxic/food grade (love the bottle cap idea lmao) and provides surface area you're good to go.
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>>3990996
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFZD8fznuUU

I have a tiny filter, so I think I'm trying something like nets, but a fluidized bottle cap filter sure does look like a nice DIY project.
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Henlo fish frens! I has an idea, but I'm better at prison design than inmate selecting. I seek the out of the box expertise of a wizard.

Picrel is a concept sketch for a terrarium in aquarium deal I brain farted up. Looking for ideas on what goes in the bottle. Would love flowers to bloom inside, and ideally the same plant can grow in its aquatic form out of the bottle, or an aquatic plant grow in to the bottle and have a pocket of air to do its terrestrial thing.

All ideas for suitable bottle plants are welcome, but bonus points for things which might have unique advantages with this setup (such as a nice mini plant which cant be fully submerged, or an aquatic plant which is easier to grow with a dry portion).

Meanwhile, new light coming today and my tank is nicely cycled and tannin tinted and the decor is semi arranged so I'll post a pic of the tank in progress when the sand settles and new light is set up.
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>>3991004
I don't know if your bottle won't flood eventually in this setup. Why Not just sink a "ecosphere" in the AQ with some emersive growing aquarium plant, would look really cool if placed right next to a submersive grown specimen of the same plant. For ecosphere wildlife I can suggest isopods and spring tails, lil fuckers will survive there
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>>3991004
>>3991082
Forgot to add, take some low light plant for that if your light isn't that strong. The light has to travel all the water and the glass
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Newfag here and I've skimmed the sticky. A couple questions since I've seen conflicting views.

Added a betta 1 week in cycling because a LFS employee insisted it's worked for him. Maybe my mistake.

So should I do daily 50% water changes or just 25%? I have nitrite/nitrate/pH/salt testers, a few new plants, food, liquid fertilizer, tank basics. Or do I only do water changes the first 24h hours the fish ate? Or only when i start seeing nitrites/nitrates appear? (They're 0 now). Confused honestly.

I don't mind feeding the fish once a week and slowly increasing how often I feed every other week. Aquarium Co-op I believe said he tells clients to do that (iirc).
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>>3991099
Did you test prior to putting the fish in. If you did then you have a baseline.
Test the day after you push the fish in and see what your levels are. If you have ammonia then do a 25% and immediately test afterwards. If you end up with 0 then you have a baseline for how much ammonia is building up daily. Then go from there with your water changes.
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>>3991103
Yup, tested a few days prior.

>Ammonia
LFS in my area believe ammonia testing is a waste so they don't even stock those, sadly. They claim they've spent 20 years never needing to test ammonia and never had a need for it. Is it weird they said aquarium salt is semi pointless too?
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>>3991110
>>3991103
Forgot to add, I essentially can't purchase ammonia testers
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>>3991110
>>3991112
Thats odd that they don't test ammonia.
I usually don't test anything in my tanks as they are seasoned and the ecosystem functions fine. But with new fish or a new tank water testing is really needed. I'd say in your case to do 25% changes daily and see how the fish reacts.
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>>3991133
Thanks a lot for the help. Yeah I found it strange too that they were adamant about it. I agree with you.

What am I looking for when you say "see how the fish reacts"? I assume if she's less energetic, but what else other than that?
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>>3986995
>33 gallon long
>5-6 Trichopsis vittata ‘croaking gourami’
>12 or so 2” or smaller schooling rasbora
>6 or so Pangio loaches
how’s this stocking plan sound?
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>>3991136
correct, usually ammonia will cause these issues There are 10 signs of ammonia stress in a fish tank. These include aggression; hiding; gasping at the surface; hovering near the bottom; flattened fins; inflated gills; bulging eyes; swollen anus; lethargy; and loss of appetite.

you can also check their gills if they are red and inflamed.
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>>3991110
Ammonia is important for new tanks and if you're using hot fertilizer. aquarium salt is one of the less intrusive forms of medicating a tank. I agree that once a tank is running short of something dying and rotting in there you wont generally see ammonia spikes.

>>3991099
A tank won't be cycled after a week unless you used some already cycled media. If you're running a lot of plants and its just one betta you can also get away with it since plants will take ammonia out of the water column as well but fish in cycling isnt really something you should do. Some boomers and some people who dont really care swear by it but excessive ammonia and nitrites can both cause permanent damage to a fish.





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