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bros my little pupoose has an ear infection and won't stop scratching. I can't bring her to the vet til tomorrow, is there a way I can give her some relief in the meantime?
>>3983422Could irrigate with warm distilled water? The warmth may soothe a little but I'm not sure. Honestly you might just want to put a cone on her so she doesn't rip up her ear.
>>3983422My dog had an ear infection. Rinse soak a cotton ball with room temp distilled (or boiled) water and put the cotton ball in her ear and squeeze the water into her ear hole. Gotta hold her head so she doesn't shake it out right away. While water is in massage her ear to loosen up all the gunk. After a minute let her shake the water out then with a dry cotton ball clean up all the loose gunk in her ear. Then tomorrow absolutely take her to the vet.
why are puppies so much less gross than babies?
>>3983460>eating solid food at just a few weeks of life>peeing and pooping outside at just a few weeks of lifeI don't know anon, can't imagine
>>3983460Because puppies are cute and babies aren't.
I've been taking my dogue on two 1-1.5 hour walks a day and she hasn't had any energy all day todayDid I overdo it?
>>3983511>female huskyIm sure you did something else
>>3983511No. No chance. I could take my fluffball Bichon on three hours of walks every day during the height of summer and he'd still want more.
>>3983511Did you dramatically up the outdoor time there? Dogs need to condition and adjust to exercise too. Also, how old is the dog? Lethargy is common with arthitic issues which is a common thing with age.
>>3983519I was just guessing because her last owner said she ran twice a day, and she's a husky, so I went with an hour since she seemed to slow down a little after about that longShe's five so that shouldn't be too old, right?
Sorry, I'm a complete newfag, I don't even have a dog, the last one I interacted with was several years ago, and I will never see it again. But I wanted to ask something anyway.I've only interacted with a single dog in my life before, really. But sometimes the dog would walk up to me and kinda claw at me, like, it would lift its paw, and scratch me with it, multiple times in a row. It would stare directly in my eyes as it would do this. I think it was asking for pets, but sometimes it would just walk up to me and stare at me directly in the eyes, expectantly, and I would pet it in response. So I was wondering if this was something else.I think I saw a passing comment once of someone with a similar experience, and they were told the dog is trying to reciprocate the act of petting, in an attempt to be kind, and social. So I was wondering if that was all it was.I guess my confusion comes from the fact that, if I just came home or something, and the dog spots me, it would pant really hard while making excessive eye contact, run to me, and kinda put its forelegs as high on my body as it could (I'm standing). So I would sorta put my hands flat outward, facing each other but vertical, to provide a sorta hook for the dog's forelegs. Then I would squat down and it would lick me in the mouth, and hop away.In the end I was just wondering what the dog's expectations were when it would unprovoked walk up to me and scratch me multiple times in a row, while making eye contact with me. It never really kept doing it long enough for me to like, grab its foreleg as I would if it spot me when I came home. The dog never laid on me ever, either, so it would be kinda odd for it to just want to sorta hold hands like that. Was wondering if I was missing something.
>>3983538>I've only interacted with a single dog in my life before, really. But sometimes the dog would walk up to me and kinda claw at me, like, it would lift its paw, and scratch me with it, multiple times in a row. It would stare directly in my eyes as it would do this. I think it was asking for pets, but sometimes it would just walk up to me and stare at me directly in the eyes, expectantly, and I would pet it in response. So I was wondering if this was something else.Dogs are fast learners, especially young ones. If you do something they like they will start doing random shit to get your attention until you do it again, or they get distracted.The classic example is the dog that nuzzles your hand for ear scratches. If you think about it there's no real logical connection between the dog poking your hand with his nose and you lifting your hand and stimulating his ears, but it's happened before and he'll do it again.I have another dog that sits up and begs when he can't sit next to me on the couch (because his brother is sitting next to me usually). And I've let him squeeze in between us before because it was cute. So now he does it all the time.I have another dog that will lead me to where the dog food is kept, stand there, then stare at me dead in the eyes, and then look over at the food, then back at my eyes, then over at the food.>they were told the dog is trying to reciprocate the act of pettingI don't buy this.I think the dog you're talking about literally just came to associate various behaviors with getting petted. He may have been miming tricks he knew as well. When a dog wants something but doesn't know the exact trick to get it, he'll sometimes go through a variety of movements and actions to try and get it.
>>3983543Thanks for the high-effort and comprehensive reply. I felt kinda out of my element, cause, I don't have the dog I was speaking of with me to meet their expectations any better, or anything.Yeah. I did feed the dog a few times, and I let it outside a few times. But besides sniffing my room and trying to snap the neck of my pillows, all I ever did for the dog was pet it. So I guess it just felt like scratching me sometimes when it felt like receiving pets.I wasn't sure about the trying-to-reciprocate-pets thing either, but to be honest the part I didn't mention was I think I saw that in a screencap of a tumblr exchange, that was on the front page of reddit. I guess everyone wanted the feel good logic to be true, so they projected their own intentions into the dog.Anyway, sorry. It was kind of an offhand message into the void. Even if I interact with a dog in the future, it's not like it's super common for it to exhibit this behavior. Thanks again for the insight. Cheers.
>>3983548No need to apologize anon. I'm not promising I'm correct, just my view of things. I hope you have a chance to interact with a nice dog like that again.
New thread so have a Nobi
any thoughts on the big dog training channels like Mccan or Zak George?and on that note any good playlist recs for puppy training?
reposting my boy displaying his alpha status by victoriously claiming the rabbit corpse as his own
>>3983511Nah you're doing just right. Dogs just get to have rest days too.
Infant pupdate: Just a quickie this time. He's been doing so well there's not much to report on.Weight: 212 grams (+12 since midnight).Age: 9 1/2 days.
every time i'm with my dog and someone refers to me as "mom" regarding my dog it makes me want to slap the shit out of them. Also when i hear them say furbabies or furparents
>>3984032This means you're a sensible dog owner, and have my respect and attraction.
>>3984032Me too. My dog is my bff and family but I'm not her parent...>>3983569Don't mind if I do...>>3983523It's possible you jumped the activity up a lot. Go according to what the dog tells you. Check the paws for wear and tear...>>3984035nice going SPLOOT/10
>>3984032>Your daughter (dog) is so cute!>That's my wife, jerk.Situation defused.
>>3984032I called my girl my doghter
>>3984045>PIBBLES, GIT!Situation mauled.
>>3984072*punt*Pitbull? More like football
Infant pupdate: Oh god oh fuck. I was so tired I went to sleep at midnight and slept through the overnight feedings. Fortunately, he seems fine this morning. He only dropped about 3 grams overnight, and took in only 4 on the feeding I gave him at 6am. So that’s all that happened in about 7 hours.This tells me two things that were important to know:1. He still needs formula and probably still on at least a 3 hour feeding schedule2. He is much stronger than he was the first few days, when not eating overnight made him lose 10 gramsWeight: 234 gramsAge: 10 1/3 days
>>3983538I've had several dogs do this over the years. It's just one of their ways of getting your attention, usually when they want to be pet. Also, if you pet your dog when he scratches you like that, it reinforces in his mind the idea that scratches are a valid way to ask for pets, and he will do it more often.
The is Ichiro. He had knee surgery for a luxating patella last Monday.It took him 3 days to pee (2 minutes straight of peeing) and 5 days to poop.He pooped again tonight 3 times which makes me happy.He wants to run at full speed on 3 legs though everywhere and I feel terrible because I don't want to push him to hurt his other legs
>>3984528Wow that's a long time without pooping. Was he on pain meds? They may have constipated him (they can do that to humans).
>>3984528I love ichiro! I’m glad he is getting better for you. Also how are shibas with other people? I’ve been able to find a lot on training and their individual temperaments but some sites say they are great with strangers. Others say be carful introducing them to new people. >t. Anon considering getting a shiba here soon
This is murray, my new fren
>>3984530He's still on pain medicine and antibiotics. I didn't think they'd constipate him that much but he's doing better about peeing. Pooping is still the hard part. I'm even scared now because every so often he'll put weight on his bad leg and pee. No screams though>>3984530This guy is absolutely not trained and ever since after the surgery, he's worse. I picked him off a coworker who didn't want him no more (his wife was pregnant and said she can't handle his smell) so if like to think he's happier. He knew simple commands but stubborn is in his blood.
Update on IchiroWe been caging him since after the surgery so he doesn't try anything stupid like jump on the couch or slip on the floor.Last night, he slept in his usual spot outside our bedroom outside the cage but around 4am, he was up just shaking and shaking like a tornado. We wanted to get him back on his 8am schedule but he just kept moving around non stop. 7am I caved and brought him downstairs for a few small pees and carried him back up.I went back to sleep while the wife woke up but she failed to watch him effectively so he tried to jump up on the couch and screamed bloody murder.Feel for the guy.
>neutered dogs are 3x more likely to develop a luxating patellai just felt a lot better about telling the vet to piss off on that one
Infant pupdate: He's suddenly drinking too aggressively and practically drowning himself in the formula. He guzzles and then stops and coughs for a bit. There's no indication of actual aspiration, and he seems strong enough that he's clearing whatever he may have started to inhale. The opening in his nipple might just be too large. It was convenient when he was really weak since it made it almost like syringe feeding. So I guess I should try cutting a new one.He's getting harder to tell apart from his siblings, thank God. They're a lot larger than him (Pink, the biggest one, weighed in around a full pound this evening) but he does not look emaciated or undersized at a glance anymore.Weight: 246 gramsAge: 11 days
>>3985076Yeah I don't alter my dogs period. It's so stupid. Look at what human eunuchs are like (e.g., picrel). Europeans think we're crazy for being so into spaying and neutering.
>>3984528>>3985060>>3985073>I went back to sleep while the wife woke up but she failed to watch him effectively so he tried to jump up on the couch and screamed bloody murder.you need to get on the same page here. you are right, dogs with limb surgery tend to fuck up the other limb in short order too because a. the genetic predisposition and b. the increased load that the "healthy" limb has to carry now and c. the dog getting bored and eventually going apeshit which results in peak strain on the leg.crate the dog whenever you can not actually engage it. crate training should be familiar to you. lower the amout of food you feed. dogs that are kept on a hypocaloric diet, tend to settle down more. when you feed, use HQ food and feed from a KONG or usin interactive games that can be down while laying down, sitting, standing - anything low intensity and impact.>>3985080>Europeans think we're crazy for being so into spaying and neutering.sure but we're getting there too. castration is illegal by law here unless there is an actual medical need for it but the legally required dog class taught by the district vet here "recommeds" to neuter females before the first heat. I literally wanted to get up there and neuter him on the spot.... obviously a few girls (go figure) who had read up on the issue started an argument but you probably can guess how well that went...
Whippet puppy anon here. My puppy has a tibial crest avulsion at six months after playing with her litter brother in the woods, took her to a vet who performed surgery and completely fucked it up, then managed to get an orthopedic specialist to fix the mess ahain with another surgery. It's been a long ten weeks of keeping her crated 24/7 but a few days ago xrays showed that her tibia has healed up perfectly. Her patellar tendon is a little swollen however so I still need to be careful with giving her exercise, she needs to regain her muscle tone in that leg by walking as that should stabilize the tendon and I am looking into getting laser treatment for it since someone recommended that to me. In three weeks another checkup and hopefully we can leave this all behind and she can start living like a normal adolescent dog again. All in all she is doing very well. I don't know how she managed to be cooped up for ten weeks, she has been amazing, she pretty much never complained.
>>3985188>but a few days ago xrays showed that her tibia has healed up perfectly. I was wondering if you'd come back to report on your progress. so glad things have worked out so far!>Her patellar tendon is a little swollen however so I still need to be careful with giving her exerciseGood thinking. start at 0. possibly even hydrotherapy if you can afford it/find it....>I don't know how she managed to be cooped up for ten weeks, she has been amazing, she pretty much never complained.they can take incredible abuse:https://www.lifewithdogs.tv/woman-writes-heartbreaking-letter-the-breeder-of-her-puppy-mill-rescue/https://www.onegreenplanet.org/animalsandnature/story-of-dog-who-started-a-movement-against-puppy-mills/not saying you abused your dog though. I am saying sometimes it's necessary to do the right thing, even when it's hard and delay gratification so that your dog does not end up hobbled for life...
>>3985194Thank you! I'm feeling pretty relieved. Nah, keeping her as calm as possible was absolutely crucial to give the tibia the chance to heal, since according to the orthopedic vet the bone was pretty frail because she had implants put in and taken out, and then again had implants put in... Normally with an injury like this it only takes six weeks of absolute crate rest but since the first vet fucked it up it took ten altogether. But thankfully it is fully healed now. I made sure to give her plenty of tlc during that time though and she burned through chews , and we played with dog puzzles to stimulate her mentally and stave off boredom. Thanks for the tip, I know a good animal physiotherapist that does hydro too, was already thinking of contacting them. I talked to someone who owns a sighthound that had a tendon injury and laser therapy worked wonders for that dog, so I'm looking into that as well.
>>3984625He is so cute that he is ugly
Suggestions for a chew resistant blanket for a sharpei? Fleece ain't cutting it.
>>3985165>sure but we're getting there too. castration is illegal by law here unless there is an actual medical need for it but the legally required dog class taught by the district vet here "recommeds" to neuter females before the first heat. I literally wanted to get up there and neuter him on the spot.... obviously a few girls (go figure) who had read up on the issue started an argument but you probably can guess how well that went...That is really fucking sad. Quick storytime from me:My parents bred the family dog a bunch, got some good money from it. Unfortunately, one pick of the litter pup we got suddenly died of parvo at my parents' and everyone was devastated by that experience. The added concern was that surface contamination with parvo can be pretty persistent, so imagine if we got a different pick and it *just so happened* to step someplace the dead puppy got its fluids but didn't get fully cleaned up?Anyway I took the pick of the next litter for myself, and for safety we decided we should vax the pup at 6 weeks against parvo. We found a vet right by the bitch, so I went and made my pick and took him. Guy was great, real down to earth, didn't talk a bunch of bullshit, told me he figured the shot at 6 weeks would probably do nothing but was still a good idea if it was going into a possibly contaminated situation. It all goes great.So I get the dog at 8 weeks and take him out to where I'm staying. He has to get his next shot, so I take him to a local vet a friend mentioned. Dude upsells me on a wider spectrum jab, and starts talking about neutering like it's a foregone conclusion, then about other millennial dog owner shit the previous vet was talking shit about. I just let him say his piece. Walking out of the place, my dog vomits and goes limp. He had a fucking vaccine reaction because he's a little white dog (they're all sensitive) and this guy should've fucking known better. Never went there again.
>>3985351Get something sacrificial maybe. Or try to train the dog not to chew.
>>3985353We're trying, but some objects are harder than others with him. Stopped chewing table legs and couch related stuff. Working on rugs. Blankets are hard. I don't mind sacrificial but I don't want it to be a material he'll readily eat.
>>3985354How old? He might just be teething. We had chewed table corners and shit during that but once our dogs got out of teething (and were properly corrected during that time) they didn't continue.
>>3985356Going on 7 months in a few days and set to get fixed on his birthday. He's really been great but he has demolished so many toys, kek. Had a pair of those little nylabone keys that he broke in two months. Only the stuffing free tough toys survive for long. I'm still experimenting with toys. But I want him to have a blanket so he's comfi.
>>3985360Yeah could still be in teething mode. Or "exploring" mode. It should pass.That said, my personal theory is that fixing a dog kind of locks in its maturity to the time it got fixed. This to me explains why none of my unaltered males have any interest whatsoever in toys past like 2 years, but my one neutered male still does at 6 years (these are all related dogs).Of course the neutered one doesn't chew anymore either (still catch him pissing and shitting in the house though sometimes, the little fucker). So it will probably still go away. If it's teething related it'll definitely go away.
>>3985365I'm patient and he's been a sweet boy. He's gotten so much better about doing his business outside. He'd probably never go inside on the pads if I was around more often to walk him more, but I work a ton and my family are often lazy fuckers where walks are concerned. Main bathroom issue is he always pees and shits if he is let down in the basement. Been hard to break him of that so we just keep him out of there.
>>3985374Yeah that's key: When they find a favorite "toilet zone", to just keep the dog out of there. When mine go indoors it's always in a dark, low-traffic area with lots of furniture around to conceal sight lines. Which tells you that they know if they get seen doing it they're gonna be in trouble.A lot of that of course is down to my fucking parents being unwilling to get rid of excess furniture and other junk, and not opening the shades during the day. "Nooooo the sun will fade our oriental rugs!" Bitch they're already fraying and ruined because of how you used them.
>>3985377That sounds exactly like my boy, the basement spot is 100% out of my line of sight when I'm down there working on my computer. It sucks because I'd like him down there more often but eh. I'll figure something out eventually. It's a very minor issue. He's been great otherwise.One more pic, and back to work. Thanks for the info.
>>3985386Sometimes setting up obstacles so the dog can't get out of the area you're in, or can't get into to the area where he likes to piss and shit, can help.Also having a dog bed or blanket or something he likes to rest on, and maybe you could build good habits by only taking him down there after he's gone outside, and/or only when it's naptime and you don't have to keep as good an eye on him. In particular with the latter he may get the idea that going down there means time to just chill and take a nap.
Thinking about getting a corgi puppy. I have a half-acre backyard, but this will be the first dog I've had. I've heard they're high-energy, and I'm fine with that. What should I be looking out for? What sorts of things should I get for it? Specific kinds of food? Any crates you like?
>>3985438Is there someone at home all the time? High energy dogs can have a tough time being home alone. I don't know about corgis but I have Bichons. Here is the sort of shit that happens when we all go somewhere:1. My bedroom trash gets knocked over, usually within moments2. There will be a dump in the dining room, usually within minutes3. If I left out newspaper anywhere, it will be pulled into a place that has line of sight on the front door and shredded4. My hamper may be knocked over, and socks and underwear taken to the same place as the newspaper5. Even the slightest noise or movement outside will trigger a ton of barking, slamming on a window, and other misbehavior
>>3985435I'll try the nap time and post-walk approach. Thanks!
>>3985439I'm working from home so yes, someone will be home.
Which chuckit launcher does /dog/ recommend for an Alsatian? Are they all the same apart from length or is there something I should know about that I haven’t thought of?
Infant pupdate: HE OPENED AN EYE! He's the first of his siblings to do this! I'm so excited he's made it this far. I really thought we were going to lose him that third day.Feedings are going well today. He's still nursing pretty aggressively. I need to pull the bottle away from him occasionally because he actually drinks too quickly and gets it in his nose; this isn't because of poor body position, I'm ensuring he stays flat on his belly and head minimally elevated, it just happens as he's drinking too hard. The nipple opening may be too large now that he's healthier and actively drinking rather than just kinda going through the motions as it drips into his mouth (he was really bad at the start of last week).Weight: 260 gramsAge: 11 3/4 days
>>3985486Great to hear he's doing so well anon. It's really hard to keep a newborn alive (i lost a female puppy that was fully developed but just didn't seem to keep up with the rest of the litter and we had to euthanize at nine days because she was dying, despite trying to get her going and tube feeding her every few hours, that was so sad) so good on you. Keep truckin'! What breed is he btw, a white shepherd? I missed your previous posts.
>>3985466Just throw it with your hand you sissy
>>3985466Use your own arm unless you've got bone cancer or recent rotator cuff surgery or something.
>>3985550>It's really hard to keep a newborn alive (i lost a female puppy that was fully developed but just didn't seem to keep up with the rest of the litter and we had to euthanize at nine days because she was dying, despite trying to get her going and tube feeding her every few hours, that was so sad)This is our first time with the female, but we've done like 12-18 litters with our males before and taken the pick of the litter. We had one that we got at 8 weeks that promptly contracted parvo and died. That was heartbreaking.With this guy I'm just so glad that we caught early how underweight he was and noticed that he dropped overnight. There was a really, REALLY rough day early off where he was just lying there wailing inconsolably. I really thought he wasn't going to make it. That sound is going to stick with me forever.>What breed is he btw, a white shepherd? I missed your previous posts.The pups are like 3/4 Bichon Frise. I think the rest is Cavalier King Charles Spaniel? Maybe? I don't remember though. Our males are all purebred Bichon Frise.
>Howls at everyone at petsmart>Rides in the car for 10 minutes>Heads straight for the couch and goes to sleep
>cornchip smell just hit
>>3985821Now she’s smiling for some reason
>had to board my dogs since my wife was going out of town for niece's bday and I was going hunting>have a GSD with a history of trauma from abuse, neglect etc>we know the boarding place ppl cause of gsd's history and boarding my other three dogs>They suggest giving gsd a tranq since she naws on the kennel handle after a day or so>we agree and bring gsd'd tranqs that we give her for road trips>pick up dogs and my husky was tranq'd off his ass and gsd was happy to be picked up obviously not tranquilized not a big deal but cmon man
Is it normal to feel like a childish retard playing with dogs?They make me really happy
Are beagles any good?I'd like a small to medium sized dog that has a normal dog body and head and doesn't require more than an hour of walking a day
>>3985893Beagles are unfathomably based.
>>3985896Why's that?>>3985893Oh also I've owned only one dog before and it was a rottweiler cross with a staffordshire bull terrier so quite a bit bigger and I'm not sure what small dogs are like I have a large garden so I'm not sure how worried I should be about a beagle escaping
>>3985893beagles are the master race
>>3985910Re: "Why's that?"Beagles are exceedingly loyal and are probably one of the friendliest dog breeds out there. If you're looking for a nice, friendly dog who will be a companion to you, get a beagle. As long as you treat them right, they will be loyal to you as long as they live. I have two. Just be warned that they are addicted to attention and are prone to obesity.
> be thinking about getting a german shepherd> decide to hit up rescue site repository for info> 38 adoptions available in your state> obvious pit mixes> bite histories> owners wanting an adoption fee> see one i like, but dog is 8 y.o. already, owners are boomers who want to treat adoption like it's a used car w. a warrantyYikes, I just want a sheppie that's a good boy/girl and not a whole bunch of bullshit...and won't cost me an arm and a leg.
>>3985893Beagles are exceptionally loyal, but so are tons of other breeds. When you;re looking into specific breeds look at their disadvantages. Beagles are loud as shit all the time which is a deal breaker for me, might not be for you for whatever reason, but I think it's easier to decide by ruling out the breeds with a predisposition to behaviors you can't/don't want to deal with. actually tho, just go to a shelter and spend time with a dog the connects with you and take it home, you'll have a much more fulfilling experience by far.
>>3985910Beagles rank low on "dog breed intelligence" rankings because they are highly focused on their noses and independent minded, but anyone who's had a beagle knows they have great practical intelligence. Think basic tool use like figuring out doorknobs and moving stuff around to create step ladders. They're also extremely affectionate.If a smart disobedient dog that's really attached to you doesn't sound like trouble then beagles are based
>>3985947>go to a sheltergo to craigslist and get a dog before it goes to a shelterpuppies/young dogs are from breeders though
>>3985354>>3985353get a hamper with "sacrificial" household items and toys: shoes, literal garbage like bottles, rags, toys, pine cones maybe, sticks etc. use those for interactive play UNDER SUPERVISION with you. dogs explore the world with their nose and mouth, you need to accommodate that with as many items as possible but you do not need to let the dog go to town on shit, eat it and die. anything that can not be chewed to pieces by a dog will break teeth: antlers, nylabones, load bearing marrow bone etc. - do not use those as a pacifier, give them to the dog for a second to explore and then put them away. provide chewy food like raw meaty spongy bone, bully sticks and other cow parts that you can get in huge size. bully sticks are sold in lengths up to 2+ feet. here is my dog eating meaty bone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAS86sVBcXo>>3985365>That said, my personal theory...thats not a theory, thats well accepted dog knowledge.>>3985438binge these channelshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRz6crbrMMohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc5IQkm3W4whttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuOmWJkaAAgP2gMgiLvRSIg/videos>>3985466they are all the same, get the biggest one though. also, use the Ultraballs and their other rubber balls since the tennis balls are just the same as regular ones and will wear out their teeth.>>3985879>Is it normal to feel like a childish retard playing with dogs? They make me really happythat's their purpose. I used to slip on dog turds and hurt myself quite a bit in the beginning doing playful running and wrestling. didn't phase me...>>3985932>Yikes, I just want a sheppie that's a good boy/girl and not a whole bunch of bullshit...and won't cost me an arm and a leg.honestly, if you are not willing to do something for that GSD, you do not deserve him anyway... older dogs are the best anyway. you can really fix their lives if you are serious and they easier to train
Heading pups 2 weeks old
>>3985955CL and shelters are fine but NEVER give them money for middle aged dogs that have to go because of "reasons". I just tracked a dog on a pet selling site that was sold for 700 then 3 weeks later the buyer sells the dog for 900. bitch had success with that. I offered to take care of the dog if she would hand it over and that it would not be passed around any more (she was the dog's 3rd owner after the breeder while, dog was 7 months old). this is what she told me: "You can't have the dog for free because she's worth 1000 times what I am asking now anyway." Nice line. Clearly the dog wasn't worth a whole lot to her... my point being, Buying-Reselling for profit seems to be a thing. look at your situation with great care. do not support reseller since these cunts are basically BYB as seen in >>3985194
>>3985965>I just tracked a dog on a pet selling site that was sold for 700 then 3 weeks later the buyer sells the dog for 900. bitch had success with that.That's horrific.
>>3985966One will be my mainstay worker for the next 10 years plus, with me every day. Like their father. Which one? Don't know yet
>>3985975>>3985964COLLIE TYPE PRIDE WORLD WIDE!
>>3985976Sir, I think your husky has autism.
>>3985978Most definitely. But here she just has the 1000 yard "oh dog what have I done" stare. All puppies are doing well at their homes, the owners are really being obnoxious on Faecesbook about it....
>>3985953"figuring out doorknobs"what kind of beagles have you been hanging around because mine, even though I still love them, are dumb as rocks
>>3985993The neglected and bored kindTo be fair the doorknob was the lever style not the knob style
>>3985893If the only dog I could have would be a beagle I'd rather not have a dog at all. They are obsessed with anything they think is edible (and they think everything is edible, from dog shit to socks to tennis balls), they often can't be walked offleash because they are basically impossible to train to have a reliable recall, they bay which is loud as fuck and they are dumb as bricks. Fuck beagles. After pitbulls they are the absolute worst dog breed.
>>3985932Agreed with >>3985961I adopted a 9yo last year. He had a bad skin issue, and had basically been neglected and abused for years by his previous owner. 93yo man with alzheimers who really had no business having a dog in the first place, but he found the shepherd one day (obviously somebody's pet but he never tried to find the owners) and took it. The skin issue is well under control now and he's getting his fur back, despite some persistent scratching due to allergies. He's super sweet, eager to please, loves to be around me but doesn't pester me much for physical contact, and pretty decent off-leash as well. Really the only problem I still have at this point is that some dogs at the park, almost all adolescent large breeds that aren't neutered yet, just rub him the wrong way. One in particular, a great dane, he can't stand. Hopefully he'll eventually chill out with that dog. He had a similar issue with a big husky, but now they're cordial now and don't fuck with each other in the park.
>>3986153there are one or two cunts here who frequently post shit against shelter dogs and second hand dogs etc.; I wish them the ball and eye cancer. these dogs have numerous advantages, especially for a beginner:>no puppy phase that most owners can't deal with anyway>no teenager phase>you know what you get, basically>8yo dog is a lesser long term comittment than a puppy. if you made a mistake, it' easier to sit it out with an older dog>with dogs in shelters you get to basically "test drive" them too. you do not get to do that with puppiesofc, if you really can't deal with the dog you should always try to rehome it with ppl who can. but chances are if you can't deal with that dog, you wouldn't have been able to deal with a puppy either.
>>3986254>you know what you get, basicallyYeah provided you are realistic and objective, and don't let yourself get sucked into a dog because he's got cute behaviors (i.e., most women). A stunning percentage of shelter dogs come from abusive homes and will never unlearn how to be violent. What's worse, if you have good dogs they can be ruined by a bad shelter dog. My aunt had three decent dogs (two shelter, one from a puppy) and ended up having to take care of my cousin's pibble (also shelter). After the pibble bit his 10th person (my grandmother), they finally had no choice but to put it down. Within a couple weeks, the next largest dog started asserting itself violently, and nearly tore my uncle's throat out. They didn't put him down but it's clear that one bad dog had fucked the others up mentally.Shelter nuts are the worst people on the planet as well. Okay fine, get your shelter dog. Don't try to make it illegal for me to deal with a breeder, or try to shame me for "shopping" instead of "adopting".I'll grant you one thing though: a lot of people, especially young adults, dual-income families, and first-time dog owners, simply do not have the commitment or skills to care for an eight-week-old puppy.
>>3983264So is it true dogs can be used as onaholes? Can anyone confirm?
Infant pupdate: The second eye is starting to open! None of his siblings seem to be opening their eyes yet. He's been eating like crazy today. I also managed to record a significant nursing session. Previously, when I checked his weight before and after nursing there was usually no change. Today he had a nursing session where he put on several grams. In two feeding sessions he put on 9 or more grams. So he's doing really great.Weight: 290 gramsAge: 13 days
>>3984032Based femoid. I've always fucking hated that.
>>3986430Incorrect, physically impossible out of heat, physically difficult in it, and there's a massive risk of causing extremely aggressive UTIs and pyometra. Basically it would cause your dog pain and then they'd die a week later.
>>3986424>but it's clear that one bad dog had fucked the others up mentallyso basically that pibble was a better dog trianer than 99.999% od dog trainers? cool. I do not even think that ratio in off even. but it's BS. dogs can teach ach other "bad" behaviours, mostly annyoing bark-howling with huskies and hounds or food aggression or ressource guarding, but going for the neck of the owner tier human aggression? dude. and again, it's the owner's fault for not providing "structure". struture may look different in every household and in every dog but there are a few general things that should be present in most dogs... search for "structure" here:>>3973471
>>3986433Oorah!Let's Go Brandon!You should definitely call him Brandon or Kyle!
>>3986683LOL are you my brother? Because he's been calling the pup Brandon lately. Ever since I stuck "LET'S GO BRANDON" stickers on his suitcase and telescope.
>>3986684anyone who makes it through hardship threatening their life in these times should be named Kyle or Brandon. they deserve it.I'm actually kind of jelly you get to nurse this fucker and he's doing well. in my litter, 2 were stillbirths...
>>3986685>in my litter, 2 were stillbirths...Aw man, that's rough dude. I guess at least they didn't suffer.
What's a medium sized breed that doesn't require 2-3 hours of walking daily?I don't have the time for it sadly
>>3986793most medium size dogs, 15-25kg, will need 2-3 hrs of quality time spent with them every day to "function" if you are leaving them to themselves otherwise as I assume you are planning to. "walking" isn't that. really a bigger, older dog like say a Berned MTN Dog could do well with two 45mins walks with some play thrown in but they may be clingy and ppl dependant enough to still not do well alone after...
Do you ever worry as a single man that your pet dog would make you look like a homosexual if theyre a small dog thats considered to be a very cute looking dog breed? Like youre ashamed to go on walks because of it
>>3986806Most people on /an/ have large female dogs
>>3986806Imagine being so insecure you think people will judge ypur sexuality for what pet you keep
>>3986806>Do you ever worrysure:>gas prices>food prices>energy prices>inflation and not adjusted wages>COOF dictatorship going more mad by the day>regressives not getting AUSCHWITZed>turd world immigration making this place into a shithole>COOF vaccine not actually working all that wellI worry a lot, but certainly not about what others think about me and my dog....
>>3986836I have HOCD sorry>>3986840Well ok, good for you>>3986829Why female?Was wondering whether I should get a male or a female, will fix either one though but do they behavioural differences?
>>3986848if you a fix a female, especially early, they act more like a male but they're more likely to develop urinary incontinence. Intact and late spayed ones are more reserved, independent, and pick up on things faster.
>>3986848> Was wondering whether I should get a male or a female, will fix either one though but do they behavioural differences?you are asking really provocative questions like you want to someone already said WHY. you just know why females, especially for alone man. and it is not a joke
>>3986922>and it is not a joke>Wrex Anon: Gone>Maple&Juniper Anon: Gone>Kaya Anon: Gone>Inga Anon: GoneAnd this shit is why.
>>3986851This. Altering a dog really changes its natural temperament, in addition to raising the risk of long-term endocrine-related problems. Sure, the shorter lifespan means things like osteoporosis isn't likely to manifest in the same way that it would in a human. But it's still concerning imo.
No way this can end wellhttps://m.youtube.com/channel/UCgql0in1B4x6mhVsksM0b5w
>>3987014Subscribed & notified, thx
Shes so soft i love her
>>3986925The shitposters aren't THAT bad, but that guy that was talking about the bernese he fucked to death...
>>3987124the shitposters are the same ones going around talking about fucking birds and cheetahs. the bernese guy was genuinely creepy and sad>she died so soon blah blah blah>zoophiles give their dogs fatal infections because the dog immune system doesn't work in the uterus unless it has puppies in it regularly>unfixed bernese are more likely to get horrible mammary cancer than any other breed"most zoophiles are good i just dont know why my dog died so soon"
>>3986925>>3987137tell me more about this lore
>>3986922I'm sorry but I refuse to accept that this is not a joke
I've always fed my dog kibble for 90% of his diet, the other 10% being scraps and bones.If I wanted to feed my dog 'real food' instead of kibble how much do I need to worry about micronutrients?Would raw ground beef/chicken/pork/etc. + a little bit of cooked carrot/bell pepper/etc. be good enough?
>>3987275I used to do homemade cooked dog food, which was basically a sort of meatloaf comprising ground meat, ground canned vegetables, and canned potatoes. We'd figure out what the final weight would be and crush up the right amount of canine multivitamins as well.I never really worried about micros, just figured out the calories and ensured the dog got the right number. It was always so protein dense I didn't have to worry about macros much either.
I'm sure these have been asked plenty of times:>Is there anything natural I can give my dog to help combat fleas/scratching?>Could someone share a homemade shampoo 'recipe', for similar reasons?
>>3987154Some faggot sodomite went around the whole board saying zoophiles were good but also basically admitted his fetish directly caused his dogs death.
>>3986922>ESL posterWhy is it always the ESLs posting this animal abuse shit like>yes there is a female dogs on /an/. and single man? he is fucking the dog. obvious. WHY? you just now. so it is not a joke.>kill all the cat! basterd cat owner you need tortured. cats is destroying the ecosystem and polluting the food supply. kill all cats, and kill all the cat owner. do the needful.>haha dumb monkey, get what you deserved... million pity for this dumb tree rat. you all animal rights activists, you are animals yourselves, this is normal and healthy to like.
>>3987341Vinegar and dawn
Can I blend or something my leftover bones? I buy chicken wings once every week and feel bad about throwing them away but I've heard they splinter an can cause damage. In my family we have never give a shit about that and the dogs are fine but since I got a puppy on my own I'm a little worried
>>3986543>he's never given a dog a bone
>>3987404Protip: Don't throw the bones to the dog, make stock from them. Save up your leftover bones in a big bag in the freezer. When you get a few pounds, put them all in a pot or a pressure cooker with vegetables like onion, celery, carrot. A little vinegar will help extract more minerals from the bones as well. Boil for awhile (like 2 hours on high pressure, maybe 4-5 hours in a regular pot). Give the carrots and celery to the dogs, throw out the onions and bones, and strain the liquid. You *can* use this as stock, but it's best used as the base for broth made from whole cuts of meat with new vegetables.
>>3986806I want to get a poodle, bit he's love poodles, but I do think that more dog is more better so would get standard and not toy.
>>3986806Get a male and don't neuter him, and give him a tough name. My fluffball Bichon is called Samson, because of the curly hair. He's a fucking menace.
>>3987341no. get permethrin spray to spray your home, wash all the dog beds on highest temperature and take the dog to the vet for a check up and something like Nexgard Spectra/Bravecto oral parasite medication. ask for a permethrin shampoo and use that.
>>3987404no. don't feel bad, cooked boens will killy our dog. >>3987419 already posted the best thing you can do: collect in the freezer, crush and then make bone broth from them. >>3987275>how much do I need to worry about micronutrients?really, the only thing to worry about is liver as that has the vtamin D3 which can cause issues if overdosed. they are recalling dog food all the time because of this. just group the parts into muscle meats, organs, bone and liver adn feed a piece of each appropriate to the size of the dog every day.>Would raw ground beef/chicken/pork/etc. + a little bit of cooked carrot/bell pepper/etc. be good enough?first: no raw pork because of the pseudorabies virus. veggeis are a meme for dogs, research which ones are actually harmful. my 20kg dog gets 500g of raw meat a day, that's >50g of beef liver>100g of beef heart>250g of face meat/skirt>100g of green tripe>chicken/turkey neck or meaty beef bone for bone>that's the average mix, I add in kidneys, lungs, tongue meat and all the other parts as I can source them>I feed dry-wet-meat in a 1/1/2 ratio total in a week>do your research
Can we have a talk about owners?Dogs are fine, but I dislike the "fur baby" trend. I have 2 dogs. Whatever happened to it being fine to just put your dog away during parties or just not bring them to every social occasion? What happened to just leaving them at home? It's fucking annoying when someone brings dogs to a social thing and now unless it's chill dog, the dog has to be a part of any and every movement and you constantly have to watch it like a toddler. Sister dog has bitten two people and she insits on bringing it everywhere and acts indignant if asked not to bring the dogs. She has 3 of them. It's annoying as shit to have a whole herd of dogs roaming around getting hair and dog bowl water everywhere constantly. Just put them away.
>>3987522Spoilers: Their dogs have separation anxiety and they can't fix it
>>3987525Leave em at home
>the virgin leaving dogs home>the chad bringing the dog to your home in the middle of shedding season knowing full well what that does
>>3987567>the gigachad I have no friends or social circle, I take my dog on hikes and when I do not do that we sleep and play and train at home
>>3987572>i have no friends or social circle, I take my dog on hikes and when I do not do that we sleep and play and train at home
>>3987573You forgot the dog
>>3987575>>39875734 me, it's the AR but pretty much yeah.>imbylings this is anything bad
>>3985188please expand on keeping her crated 24/7
Infant pupdate: Eyes wide open edition! What a good boy. The other male's eyes are open too, and one of the females is opening her eyes. Apparently I'm the only one that gets this boy to *really* eat. He routinely drinks 8-15 grams of formula when I feed him; my parents almost always stop after 2-5 grams because they think he's full. I guess that's okay to keep him from getting dehydrated or starve, and he can have his big feeds when I'm taking care of him. Happened again just now, he had his morning feed and my dad thought he was done after 3 grams. I got an additional 9 grams into him after that.Weight: 323 gramsAge: 15 days
>>3987413just think of how many hips hes saved by preventing old men from rolling home
>>3987341my dogs never had fleas in tue near 17 years I've had them and I think its due to tiny amount of garlic powder in Canidae dry dog food. I know garlic is toxic and I may have never given them that brand if I knew about it. I just went by WDJ's list of approved foods. but they did live long and completely flea free so maybe they know what theyre doing. a lot of high quality brands add it apparently.
I love my puppy so fucking much. I been too busy to post pictures, maybe after thanksgiving I'll flood the thread. day 3 and he hasnt had a single accident. even that first night when I overslept by 2 hours. and he loves his crate. took to it immediately. he goes in it on his own accord when its nap time.
>>3987861heres an incedibly shitty picture I just took with my shitty fire tablet in the mean time
My Brittany is 7 years old and is really mellow now, he never wants to play. He’s more than content to sit around and get pet. I still take him on a 4 mile run every day but should I be worried?
>>3987888Transitioning to maturity most likely. My older dogs don't play anymore either.
>>3987634It is like I am saying, unfortunately. She had very invasive surgery of the tibia twice in an extremely short time span which meant she was not allowed to really put weight on the leg because the bone had become very fragile and it needed time and the opportunity to heal. I was only alllowed to take her out to pee and poo, and I had to keep her on a very short leash when doing so as to avoid her making a wrong move. The first surgeon made a mess of the surgery so the second surgeon, this time a veterinary orthopedic specialist, fixed it to the best of his abilities but that meant that it was really touch and go until the bone had mended fully. There are a lot of forces on the tibia from the quadriceps muscle and one wrong move could have ripped the bone fragment of the growth plate out of place again, voiding the entire procedure. I dislike that I had to do that as much as you anon but I did my best to make it as easy on her as possible with chews and stuff.
How do you deal with separation anxiety in mature dogs?
My puppy wants to chew and eat literally everything. if i leave her in a room with nothing but walls and a floor she will try to chew the corners of the wall and even the floor. I'm not entirely sure how to deal with it.I know it's normal for a puppy to chew things and all, but it is making it difficult to train a settle. Also when walking outside she will put everything in her mouth. I wouldn't mind if she just sniffed around but she straight up snatches things with her mouth, rocks, leaves, trash, etc. she's been like this since i got her at 8 weeks (13 now). cant imagine how much worse itll get when she starts teethingother than that training is going well. any youtube channels i should check out for training? I've been looking at kikopup>>3984032not gonna lie i thought it was cute at first when people called me dog mom but it does get annoying. I hate it when people say "hoomin"
>>3987972Take them everywhere with you so other people suffer instead
>>3988015Based, can do.
>>3988015imagine the noise
>>3987972I crate my boy when I'm not home, and he always gets a high value treat for going in to the crate when I leave and then another when I get back.
>>3988030rozen maiden reference?
>>3988030Does that work with adult dogs that have never really been crated? My boy's 7 and I used to try crating when he was a puppy... he basically just shit everywhere and never stopped barking. I let him roam the house and he'd get into trouble (shitting inside and peeing on tables) but I don't think he ever got over it. I've got another one that knocks over the trash cans every time I go out, or even if I'm in the bathroom too long. He still pisses in the house too. Both of them compete for who gets to sleep closer to me in bed at night.I love my boys but they really try me with this shit. I feel like I have to work from home.
my breeder recommended a series of videos from "puppy culture" but just to stream the stuff is over $100. Has anyone watched/read that material or know where I could find the same stuff without paying that much?
>>3988050What's the purpose? Teach you how to care for a puppy?
>>3988054its like a training enrichment and socialization timeline, from what I gather
>>3988050I bought the series on how to train a puppy into a confident show dog. It helped me gain more confidence in how I teach a puppy/prospective show dog to stack so it was useful for me. I have previous experience with raising puppies and with clicker training in general though... You can find the book she wrote for free on libgen, the title is 'when pigs fly'. The whole 'puppy culture' thing is obviously pretty corporate but there are also a lot of good things to her methods. If you can spare the money with no problem I'd probably recommend it, but make sure to check her book out first.
>>3988059Thanks anon, i'll read the book first. I could probably spare the money, it was a shock to see it at first.
>>3988044Mine's 10yo. The rescue that had him before I got him put him through obedience training, which included crate training. He had also had prior general training, but the previous owner was not doing anything to keep that up or reinforce it. He doesn't mind the crate, and will constantly bark if I put him in it while I'm home, but he behaves in it while I'm gone. He generally has the run of the house and behaves very well, but when I brought him home I did train him to go to his crate when told and the crate is where I have him go whenever I'm giving him his most favorite treats (even if I'm not crating him so I can leave). He's also a GSD though, so there's that instinctive need to please even if he's not happy about what he's being told to do.
>>3988063The book is mainly about training adult dogs (with issues) and not puppy specifics but shetalks about her basic concepts and training method of shaping behaviors with a clicker and such, which she also uses with puppies.
>>3988085I am about a third through the book and will pick up a clicker this afternoon. What kind of things do you consider puppy specific?
How accurate is this?
>>3988148It's only accurate about collie type owners (except ESfriends). Labchads, huskybros, pitniggas, and small dog gigachads are alright.
>>3988148... Is this based on the guy whose fetish killed his dog?
>>3988177Seems to be based on ASfag's escapades across the board>she's my ideal partner yes>i love her scent its just like a hike in fall :3
>>3988183>ASfagSorry I'm new to the board, who?
>>3988187Lonely slav man who has no friends except his dog
another dog cut my boy up at the park today :( he sometimes pisses other dogs off but he literally just greeted this other dog and it fucking snapped at him and he squealed and ran behind me. any advice for his wound bros?
>>3988268here’s the dickhead that bit him. it’s normally a really chill park and it’s worth it for him to actually chase and be chased by his fast doggie friends but today has made me a little weary :(
>>3988268Cone if he's fucking with it. That's a pretty good laceration.
>>3988187he's talking about me. I posted this:>>3987572>>3988148lol. keked/10. but dude. get a life. you should not be reading one "lonely" guy's shitposts on 4chins and then be making these inside joke memes. it's quite personal. I'm starting to feel uncompfy....
>>3988268Vet. Needs to be shaved and 2 stitches, possibly antibiotics and a cone.
>>3988271It's your job to moderate play. If a dog looks uncompfy, you should call yours back and keep it away from that dog. That dog has a right to have a good time at the park too.
>>3988271looks like your dog relaxed
>>3988272>>3988274thank for the advice fellas. I cleaned it out and put some neosporin on it. he hasn’t tried messing with it and he doesn’t mind me touching it too much so I don’t think it’s that bad. might still take him into the vet though>>3988275I do, but like I said he just went up for a standard sniff and greet and the other dog was walking around amongst other dogs and didn’t warn him not to come near or anything>>3988276he did. I always try to lead him towards the other shepherds but he is too German for his own good.
>>3988288Well with messing with it, the concern isn't so much that he'll make it bigger, it's that he'll touch it at all with his filthy paws and get it infected.Also if it's a bite wound it's possibly contaminated with pasturella. I had a friend get pasteurella on the back of her hand from a bite wound once. Her hand blew up like a balloon and ultimately needed to be surgically debrided (probably because the idiot primary care doc didn't know what pasteurella was).
>>3987575Nyet, that is not my dog.
>>3988148Relatable>implying its weird to think your dog smells goodif you dont think they smell good give them a bath
MY DOG IS SO BAD
Thoughts on spot and tango un-kibble? Seems overpriced desu but with the referral bonus they paid me $7 to try it
>>3988294She still stinks after a bath
He's in his travel bag for no reason crying like a little bitch
found this little guy on the side of the road a few days ago, seems like a puppy, is anyone able to guess what breed he is? What does he look like? Aside from the assumption that he is a mutt. I'm not able to take him to a vet rn and I'm bad at knowing breeds
>>3988347Lhasa apso maybe?You should surrender it to a rescue if you can't afford vet
>>3988347That is a puppy alright. Poor thing. Take him someplace, he may have a chip.
>>3987904didnt mean to offend. I just wanted confirmation that your doctor didnt literally mean 24 / 7, that you did indeed take them out to go to the bathroom[spoiler]I want a whippet[/spoiler]
>>3988339My dog smells great even though she’s not getting any special treatment. Something must be wrong. Dogs normally smell neutral or good.
>>3988307HOW BAD IS HE?
>>3988340>you will travel in the pink pod>you will eat the kibble>you will own nothing>and you will be happy
>>3988350rescues are really iffy where I'm from so that isn't really an optionTo the point that it's kinder to leave them on the street than to take them to a rescue
>>3988386Enjoy your new dog
>>3988386Sounds like BS. That dog need vaccines and deworming and ectoparasite treatment. That's a few shots and pills, nothing outlandish in cost.>>3988375>and you will be happyIronically they will. Some minimum of vet care and good enough food provided, all your dog needs/wants is you. Ppl throw money at shit like toys and gucci food and coats but in the end, the time you spend on your dog will have the most, by far, impact on it's happyness and health.
>>3988268It's not that worrisome though I would've preferred to glue or stitch this together so it heals perfectly, but I'm not sure how much time has passed now so that might not be an option anymore. Make sure to clean it thoroughly, put a thin layer of a honey-based (is anti-bacterial) wound ointment on it several times a day and keep an eye in it if it isn't becoming infected or if your dogs is getting ill/gets a fever. If it is, you need to go to the vet right away, otherwise the honey ointment will make it heal uo very quickly.
>>3988271Looks like a shitbull mix. Figures.
>>3988339Try feeding it something that isn't garbage from the supermarket.
>>3988368This. I have only known overweight dogs, neglected dogs with high maintenance coats, and dogs with dental/anal gland issues to stink.
>>3988347Dachshund mix. Do take it to someone who can take it to a vet anon if you can't and try to find an owner. It must habe had one because it looks relatively taken care of.
Infant pupdate: Happy Thanksgiving! He slowed down a lot yesterday. Had a scare where he started coughing or maybe reverse sneezing and I was afraid he aspirated. He cleared whatever it was and took a nap. He's pretty strong and his reflexes are good so I'm sure anything that "went down the wrong pipe" didn't infiltrate the lungs.We weighed the other pups, and my dad is concerned about the weight on two of the others. They're still going up but not as fast as the two big ones. He thinks I should supplement them. I kinda don't want to, I just want to focus on this littlest one since I think he's still not reliably gaining weight from nursing. I can't wait until he's able to eat solid food.Weight: 335 gramsAge: 15 1/2 days
mom ruined my dog. she put him on the couch. he'll have to go back.4 days without a single piss or shit taken indoors. yesterday was the last day I had to carry him to the yard. hes now brave enough to walk down the ramp himself
>>3988347call animal control. their owners probably already called them to see if they had their dog and will probably have the owners info
>>3988752Put the smaller ones onto the best teats (the ones between the hind legs) once a stronger pup has made the milk spring every time the mom nurses. That way they will have to expend less energy while getting the most of the milk.
>>3988842>once a stronger pup has made the milk springAhhhh I didn't think of doing that. Thanks anon.
>>3985188>I don't know how she managed to be cooped up for ten weeks, she has been amazing, she pretty much never complained.It's hard to confine them for recovery, but unfortunately sometimes necessary since they don't have the reasoning needed to obey a bedrest or activity restriction order on their own. I had a horse that needed 8 months of stall confinement to heal a tendon injury on the leg. He handled it well, but I can understand why so many get euthanized instead of treated.
My sister's chihuahua has a rotting retained baby tooth that needs to be pulled, its already very loose. What's a safe OTC pain med or numbing gel for dogs? I want to DIY remove it for her, she's got no cash for vets she's only 16 and our parents are retarded about pets
>>3983460They're not once you actually have a baby. Baby vomit/poop > dog vomit/poop
>>3985439This sounds horrible, this isn't a breed problem it's a training problem your dogs have severe separation anxiety. My husky mutt has some separation anxiety and there is literally never a mess or anything destroyed when we leave for hours.
>>3986254I'd say there's plenty of owners who can train a puppy but cannot necessarily deal with unique health issues leftover from neglect, unique behavioral issues that didn't need to be there that have to be trained away, and having to jump into all the gritty parts of older dog care without the puppy bonding phase...and some just dont want to, and that's fine too
>>3986925they left because they were afraid of being outed?that's a shame, i don't judge anyone as long as they are gentle and friendly with their dogs
>>3988923I think their dogs died
>>3987137when was thisi've been talking a lot about my dead bernese but that was years ago and she died of cancer at the age of 10, not from being fucked to deathwhy hasn't science found a way to give the best animal on the planet a human lifespan yet
I was thinking about making a special meal for my dog but do dogs even have good palates? because they seem willing to eat whatever I throw at them
>>3988942sense of taste is closely linked to sense of smell in mammals>human: 6 million olfactory receptors>dog: 300 million olfactory receptorsgee i dunnohave you considered maybe the reason they are willing to eat pretty much anything is because it all tastes fucking amazing with their acute sense of smell
>>3988951I don't know bro I just wanna know if there will be a difference for them between a piece of boiled chicken or cooked using spices and stuff
>>3988957Don't waste spices on your dogs. Increasing the number of ingredients only increases the risk of finding something the dog's allergic to, and you're stuck with a pot of goop that neither of you will eat.If you want to come up with creative treat meals for your dog, go look in the variety meats section of your local grocery. Kidney and heart are great, liver is okay but you need to watch it with the vitamin A content. You can literally just fry it up in a pan with oil and the dog will go nuts for it. Shit you can microwave a hamburger for your dog and he'll go nuts for it.
>>3988951Nah their actual tastebuds are horrible, their sense of taste is basically replaced by smell. Dog food is the stinkiest yet blandest for that reason. Raw meat is fairly mild in taste but can be powerfully smelly
>>3988940>>3988923Zoophiles go away and then kill yourselves
>>3988940you know bro if you spayed her before her second heat she would have lived longer
>>3989003why not before her first heat? What's the difference? I heard my brother mentioning something about that
>>3989012waiting til the second or third lets their bones finish growing with the proper hormone levelsinb4 the intact dog brigade reminds us that there's still a slight chance of them tearing something once spayed>yes but now your dog goes into heat twice a year and you have to worry about puppies, pyometra, and mammary tumors
>>3989003spaying large dogs early just gives them bone cancer later in lifeUSA has a very high spay/neuter rate for BMD and the average lifespan there is just 7 yearsMy girl making it to 10 is way, way higher than averageyou need to open your heart anon, don't force your animals to restrain their love
>>3989020I see. But I'm not a breeder so after that first cycle she'd be okay to spay, right? I'm planning on getting a puppy soon so I want what's best for her
>>3989026First cycle small dogs, 2 cycles medium dogs, 3 cycles large dogs and wolf hybrids
>>3989003Unlikely, I had a neutered BMD kak it from Lymphoma at 8 1/2.
Post your feel when those rescue videos abuse the animals they rescue
>>3989020Ovary sparing spay is a thing. And incontinence is real risk with spays of any kind. It's thought that mechanical strain on the bladder during the procedure can cause/exacerbate it. Pymetra is treatable and you can do the spay when, if, it happens.
>>3989063Wouldn't an ovary sparing spay stretch the bladder the same?Also isn't spay incontinence treated with hormones?
>>3989079nta, but ovary spaying would require much less tissue disruption to accomplish than a full-blown hysterectomy. It could likely be accomplished through a keyhole incision.My personal hypothesis is that it's not so much mechanical strain but nerve damage or scar tissue, much the same with hysterectomies and c-sections causing urinary incontinence in humans.
>>3989084But dogs and humans have different reproductive anatomy, and spay incontinence is successfully treated with hormone replacement therapy
>>3989087>But dogs and humans have different reproductive anatomy,They aren't that different. Scar tissue is scar tissue, and nerve damage is nerve damage. These are things that happen with really any sort of abdominal surgery in any mammal.
I cried for 30 minutes straight two days after getting my dog when it hit me that she was going to die someday.It was the first time in my life I realized felt love for another living being.
>>3989088yeah they are. the dog urethra is buried a ways behind the clitoris, the actual vagina doesn't start until after a few inches of vulva, and the uterus is Y shaped instead of a bag. and if it's nerve damage why do estrogen pills fix it?
>>3989092>the dog urethra is buried a ways behind the clitoris, the actual vagina doesn't start until after a few inches of vulva, and the uterus is Y shaped instead of a bag.That's all minutiae in comparison. Scar tissue is scar tissue. Nerve damage is nerve damage. These things happen with all abdominal surgeries in all mammals.
>>3989079Yes. Hence my point that even in OSSs, incontinence is a possibility, likely bc of mechanical stresses on the bladder. It depends a lot on the surgeon's skill and care obviously. And if you treat the SI with estradiol, or better estriol, what have you gained? Nothing. I regards to E2 sensitive cancer prevention, it's actually counterproductive be ause the drug administration results in supraphysiological peaks of the hormone and that is ultimately much better at stimulating cancer... better not do anythig preemptively, deal with medical issues as they arise conservatively...
>>3989092i read a years ago that female dogs does not feel orgasm like humans, but you noticed clitoris, does it mean clitoris does not imply orgasm?
>>3989089This my friends is why every child needs to have a pet that he's responsible for taking care of, so he learns and understands mortality at a lower level of development.I also believe we should all be involved in meat production at an agricultural level as children or teens, but that's another subject for another day.
>>3989100All female animals can have orgasms, not all male animals have the stamina or intelligence to induce them
>>3989102>implyingi have hundreds of gallons of deer blood on my hands and i had pet rats as a kidi guess i'm just a psychopath
>>3989097But it's clear that the mechanical stress does not cause this in dogs, because the treatment is not mechanical, but hormonal.>what have you gained?An 70%-80% chance of not needing those hormones
>>3989107Based anon. I had pet rats too. I still remember when we had to gas all the males and most of the females. They just kept breeding.Never got to hunt deer though. I wish I'd had that opportunity. I shot a few bunnies in my backyard with my pellet gun though. That was fun.
>>3989109>But it's clear that the mechanical stress does not cause this in dogs, because the treatment is not mechanical, but hormonal.Hardly. Supraphysiological hormone levels may have any number of effects on distant processes including inflammation, urinary sphincter tone, typical resting intraabdominal pressure, urine production rate, and other things that could offset the issues caused by mechanical stress.
>>3989109When an OSS dog gets SI in short order, this points towards mechanical stress being at least majorly contributing factor.Again, conventionl spays that cause SI that is the treated with estradiol are counterproductive. You can not, with the currently used meds, mimic natural E2 levels flux. Hormone replacement therapy has it's limits. Even if the area under the curve, aka the total dose of the hormone over a given timeframe, was to be the same, you'd still have peaks which is due to the pharmacokinetics of the drug. That's what will cause cancer...
>>3988508Wouldn't surprise me. What kinda daschund mix?
>>3988940Double digits for a Bernese is actually very respectable. Most don't make it past 7 or 8, it's truly one of the unhealthiest breeds ever.
>>3988940But you are a zoophile, so if she suffered through 10 years of having to fearfully submit to unnatural rape and abuse maybe she should have died earlier
>>3988863There is none. Get that dog to the vet. Dog teeth have very long roots that need to be dug out of the jaw entirely or else it will become a problem. If it's already rotten there is also an infection that needs antibiotics. Not having money is bullshit, you or your parents pay the bill for your sister and have her get a paper route or something and pay you back or your parents back.
>>3988863aspca will take it and treat it, but you won't get the dog back.
>>3989155his shorter legs make him a more effective infant killing machine
I've become a bit fascinated with the difference in "dog culture" between here and in other places, especially America.When an American meets a another who has a dog with them, and they want to greet/pet that dog, how do they initiate and proceed?
>>3989278>hello may I pet your dog?>yes>is it a boy or a girl>[gender]>I always loved dogs we had a [breed] growing uprepeat with about 25% of people you pass on a trail
>>3989306or in my case>hello>BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK>may I>BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK>pet>BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK>your dog?>WHAT?!>May I pet...>BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK>Oh nevermind...>WHAT?! SORRY! HE JUST WANTS TO KISS YOU!>BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK
>>3988842HOOOOLY SHITI finally got to try this under controlled conditions.It was feeding time and I went to weigh the pup, wrote it down. And as usual I put him down in the litterbox while I went to warm up the formula. I came back and they were all nursing. So I grabbed the big fat pups that were eating at the hind teats and pulled them off, and pushed the runt towards them. He very rapidly nuzzled his way in there and grabbed hold.About 10 minutes later, he pulled off and fell asleep. I grabbed and weighed him. He put on 7 grams. That's a great nursing feed for him though he usually takes more from the bottle. Still, much better to have him on titty milk.Thank you anon. I'm going to try to do this as much as I can.
>>3989306I mean, I want to know how you approach the actual dog as well. Here, we're typically taught to bend down then reach out with the top of our hands. If the dog approaches and sniffs a little, you stroke the side of it's face/neck a little and that's a doggy handshake.
>>3989330I just pet them unless they're visibly agitated/nervous or have at least one drop of pitbull blood.
>>3989330My reflexive approach is to offer the back of my hand. I'm not sure if that's specifically correct, but it's habitual for me since that's how you can safely check an object to see if it's got electric current running through it.
>>3989332That's super duper correct. Offering back of hand, stroking side of face if the dog approaches with muzzle.
when we picked them up, they were cuddling. the whole 3 hour drive home, they cuddled and slept. when we got home, they played gently for an hour in my yard.then my sister brought Chloe over yesterday so what did we expect to happen after not seeing each other for 2 days? we expected them to give each other lots of kisses and to play nicely and then cuddle.what happened? my boy Dutch immediately mounts her with a full red rocket. we pull him off and then Chloe immediately decides she could use a little lipstick. she practically blew my dog guys. okay so after the Arkansas shit was over they wrastled in the house. holy shit was my boy fucking rough. poor Chloe took a beating. it looked bad. but then I realized, nobody was yelping. it was okay play. Chloe was just at a disadvantage because it was a strange house. So we put them outside and that little girl whooped my boys ass. he hide between the garbage barrels at one point.holy shit was that whole day fucking shocker.
>>3989397>sad>BARK BARK BARK BARK BARKWHAT?!
>>3989310>be my dog>gentle and quiet nature>only makes a really deep "WUF" noise 2-3 times a week>normally very nice but never socialized with larger dogs>every dog greets her with BARK BARK BARK>if she starts out friendly the barking pisses her off and she starts growing>now she hates other dogs even moreDogsPls stop barking
>>3989441>Pls stop barking>BARK BARK BARK BARK BARKWHAT?!
>>3989446>BARK BARK BARK BA*KICK*>YIPE!
>>3989314That's really good to hear. Sometimes the smaller ones just need a little help like that because they have to fight really hard for their keep against the bigger ones. No shame or harm in helping them along a little. >>3989369Littermates can become really rough with each other. You're lucky they are both different genders because otherwise it would almost 100% end up in real fighting when they get older. I know you think it's harmless playing but if they were mine I would stop them once they get too rough. There is usually a tipping point because thry get overexcited. Being overexcited is also the reason why your male puppy started humping. Make sure to give your puppies enough rest and sleep too, they need that as much for their development as they do play.
>>3989278>>3989306>>3989310>>3989330>>3989331>>3989332>>3989334when I see a dog I want mine to meet or I find interesting I yell at the owner from afar like the hick that I am: ""wanna let the dogs meet? mine is a spayed female and friendly!"depending on the answer we meet or we do not. if we do, I have my dog go in the back, basically reverse pulling on the leash so that I can make contact with the dog first. I just stand there and allow myself to be sniffed. then i call my dog in between my legs from behind to make contact.
>>3989369one thing you may want to do is to make loads of HQ pics now. I'm lay af about that and I always regret it. but I just hate to take the xboxhueg phone bricks with me outside....
>>3989542>I yell at the owner from afar like the hick that I am: ""wanna let the dogs meet? mine is a spayed female and friendly!">my dog: BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK>me: "WHAT?!"
https://www.aktivertierschutz.at/Astorhttps://www.aktivertierschutz.at/Mexthese two cunts could be yours....
>>3989543i don't want to watch pictures or videos of my old dog after she died because they just make me cry and feel badbut i still do from time to time to honor her and try to remember the good times
>>3989545Do they neuter the shelter dogs in germany?....asking for a friend
>>3989545Both dogs were too much for their owners to handle and were taught zero basics. No thanks.
>>3989541>Littermates can become really rough with each other. You're lucky they are both different genders because otherwise it would almost 100% end up in real fighting when they get older.I've heard that and the opposite (different gender littermates dont get along) I've had two of different genders, no problem (when kota yelped lacy stopped) my sister and my brother have two female great pyranese/antolians from same litter, no problem. my cousin has two male huzkies from the same litter, no problem.I'm overhyping the roughhousing a bit. like I said no yelping, no crying, they layed down panting together and ate out of the same bowl. we just somehow got it in our heads that they had spent the whole 9 weeks like the day we picked them up.still I have never seen a dog put its mouth on a dog's rocket before, the fuck is up with that? my aunt says its because my sister named her dog after a whore Kardashian.
>>3988940I thought it was 8...
BEST WAY TO GET RID OF FLEAS ON A PUPPY VERSUS A BIG DOG?
>>3989560The same as with a big dog. Defleaing treatment of the animal, washing the dogs bedding at a high temperature, vacuuming the shit out of your house several times a day (put a cut up flea collar in the bag) and maybe even flea bombing your house.
>>3989559guess there's several of usi'm not surprised
>>3989571Yes several people with female berns that use the same images and same posting style limited to /trash/ and /an/ yes very interesting...
>>3989580If there can be several birdfags in /trash/ then there can be several bernerbuddies on /an/
>>3989580>>3989584i see, i seeit was a larp the whole time
>>3989585we may never know for sure
>>3989591No pictures of the dog = definite larp.
>>3989593i suppose it's best for everyone if you keep thinking that
So I adopted a German shepherd a few months ago, typical covid case. Trained well enough but socialization is an absolute shit show. I've been working with her to get her more socialized and less reactive on the leash, but progress has been slow.I'm taking her for weekly training (lots of dogs there for her to look at, some of them she wants to play with and she's really hit it off with the trainer's dog) and trying to counter condition her to dogs on the street (pretty challenging as most people aren't aware or willing to assist). Does anyone here have some more pointers? I'm thinking of taking her to a behavioral specialist near me who organizes walks specifically for reactive dogs, and asking a few neighbors nearby that I know would be willing to help out if they want to do classic conditioning training with me and her (so walking their dogs past while I reward her every time she looks at the other dog, slowly getting closer over time).
Infant pupdate: He's doing really well nursing. Thanks to the anon yesterday saying to pull a stronger pup off a teat and give that one to the little guy, I'm definitely doing that more. I saw him hanging from a teat while mom was standing up this morning, it was good to see him holding on so well. A week ago he'd just have slipped off. His neck strength has really improved a lot.Weight: 361 grams (about 60-65% of the largest, so still a ways to go)Age: 17 days
>>3989751>I'm taking her for weekly training (lots of dogs there for her to look at, some of them she wants to play with and she's really hit it off with the trainer's dog) and trying to counter condition her to dogs on the streetonce a week is really not enough, at least in cases that deserve to be called "reactivity". exposure therapy works by simple OVEREXPOSING the dog to the stimulus until it just can't7will not react to it any more, it's become habituated to it, the stimulus is not a novelty any more. that would likely mean dog on dog contact multiple times a day but certainly daily. try doing some warming up walks, then obedience then anything more physically demanding like fetch and/or tug if the dog likes it before you go meet dogs, ideally. this will calm her down additionally. also try >>3989542 when meeting dogsuse the dog's work drive. liek, a focused heel walk is work. if you can do that and put the dog in it as you walk by somethign causing reactivity, it will help take her attention of of that thing. the more you train your dog to do mundane things like a structured NAZI tier walk with you, the more other shit will fade into the background.... then you reward the focused walk with quick releases to go sniff/see whatever it was she reacted to and then continue with the walk.
>>3989803>I saw him hanging from a teat while mom was standing up this morningQ: Hey Brandon, what do you wanna be when you grow upp?B: A PITBULL!
>>3989862more like a titbull
How do I deal with in-laws that are shit pet owners?For context>have bad track record with pets>frequently killed pets in the past for fun>ten years later they decide that they will try harder>they get some mutt from shelter>they like guns so they shoot near the dog>dog freaks out>they say its because the dog has a headache>give dog generic headache relief medicine meant for humans>dog has seizures so they shoot the dog and burn itThis was five years agoNow they just got a saint bernard that they absolutely cannot control. It shits and pisses everywhere and eats human food like fucking chocolate cake. They visited my house for the first time yesterday and their dog was trying to "play" with my schip corgi puppy. The first thing it does when it comes through the door is try to pick my dog up with its mouth. My dog yelps and they try to physically restrain their dog to no avail. I get my dog away, she is fine, and they say oh its just playing. I lock my dog in another room and their dog destroys my house trying to get to my dog. They get pissy with me when i tell them to control their dog or get out. What can i even do aside from outright telling them to keep the dog out of my house or anywhere near my dog? I dont even like them, but i have to deal with them. So i just deal with it until this one dies?Pic related is my dog
>>3989884Jesus fucking ChristI honestly don't know what you could do there other than tell them the dog isn't welcome and they can't come in if it's with them.I guess the merciful thing would be to just kill them, because they sound like absolute scum. But laws and stuff.
>>3989898You have no idea how much i hate them. My wife told me how they killed a dog when she was a kid. These fucking people put an elderly dog into a bag and smacked it on the ground until it was dead because it peed on the floor and needed to be put down. They did not have guns at the time. They have tied dogs to trees out in the woods and put cats into pillowcases and thrown them out of a moving car because they did not want hem anymore. They are sick. We want to entirely cut ties with them but they are crazy and we are trying to keep on good terms.
>>3989907>>3989884I hope this is bait but in case it is not: you are just as bad as them. Animal welfare laws are a thing even in the USA. Call the cops.
>>3989922I have stated in my post that they did this years ago. I was not around for it.I have threatened them in the past with calling the police if they decided to kill their current cat. He had a uti and kept peeing outside the box.To my knowledge they are not hurting their pets at the moment. If i find out that they do i will be contacting the police. I was just ranting that they cannot control their new dog and that it is pissing me off. They should not be allowed to have animals but there is nothing that i can do.
>>3989884 I would get a different significant other.
>>3990292>sleeping on the ceilingbased
>>3990292Is your dog Australian?
>>3990294Yeah m8, australian husky
Today muttoid got tackled and bullied by the dogs at the dog park. Sad!
I wear a leg brace and my foot is sometimes sideways. Today my dog decided it looked comfortable to lay under my foot
Infant pupdate: Have been seeing him nurse a lot more lately. We've scaled back bottle feedings a bit (to 4 hours) and are making sure he gets on a primed teat every time we see them nursing. He put on 10 grams in a single nursing session this morning, which is huge for him.Weight: 376 gramsAge: 18 days
Chloe and Dutch had their second reunion a little while ago and it was much calmer than their first.
What kind of dog is this? Found him four months ago tied to a tree as a puppy
>>3990722improvised weighted blankets are the comfiest
>>3991003Some kind of pitbull mix
>>3991003American Babykiller Terrier mixed with Facebiting Bull Terrier
Are kibbles bad for dogs?
>>3991137I've heard you want the dog to get hard food as it helps prevent the accumulation of plaque or some shit.I don't think it's particularly harmful though, no more than other commercial pet food.
My girlfriend and I just bought a house recently, and we're talking about getting a dog. I've lived with a dog before, but not owned one, and she's only had experience with friends' dogs.We'll probably adopt/rescue rather than working with a breeder, because of cost, inexperience, and not needing a pure breed for some specific job.My question is this: how can we read between the lines in listings (e.g. on Petfinder) to avoid the dogs who have serious issues? Reactivity, aggression, excessive territorial nature / barking, etc. Are there phrases we should look out for or something? I assume we'd see a good deal of it when meeting the dog anyway, but if we can save a trip driving to a dog who's already not a good match, that would help.
I watched a Zak George video and my first thought was "this man learned to train puppies so he could more easily lure children into his van."
>>3991148Get a doggo from a good shelter
>>3991148Shelter/ rescue qualities varied and so are the information they will give out. Dogs with problems typically have "need experience handler and/or adult household only". Dogs that requires teen or older children are typically normal though, especially for young big dog. Dogs that need "time, patient, and quiet home" are typically dogs with severe fear and shyness issue. Expect the dog to run away and hide in the first week or more. Those dogs won't be comfortable with touch or petting from new people for a while.Most shelter/rescue will answer your questions so just ask as much as you can. Good rescue typically might have a member taking the dog to your house to see how the dog settle in the house and see if the dog has issue with any house member or pet. It's good for you to have the dog to be in the crate or on leash if there's guest coming over if you don't know how the dog will act with stranger going to the house yet.
>>3991148go to a shelter and pick the doggo that looks happy to see youThat's what I do, I admit it's not the most scientific method. But it's worked well for me
>>3991235I find that guy and his videos exceptionally annoying, it was a pain when his ad ridden trash would come up when I got my pup
>>3991148>We'll probably adopt/rescue rather than working with a breeder, because of cost, inexperience, and not needing a pure breed for some specific job.Cost is actually quite comparable in many cases.
>>3991312do you know what you want in a dog? how active, how sociable etc?
Why are dogs like golden retrievers and labradors so popular when they require so much time and dedication in order to give them the exercise and attention they need?
Infant pupdate: He's NOORSING again! And putting on the pounds... er... grams anyway.Weight: 395 gramsAge: 18 days
>>3991502They don't though. They are pretty easy on the temperament and eager to please. If you can't even put on enough time to satisfy a lab/golden retriever then you shouldn't own a dog.
>>3991363I'm guessing this was for me? We're looking for a mellow companion that can also serve as a guard dog when I'm away (I travel occasionally for work, leaving my girlfriend home alone). We do have friends over here and there, but it's not a super busy house, and we're not avid hikers or runners or anything. Mastiffs and the derivative breeds seem like a good fit, but we'd need to find one who's already trained so we have some buffer while we get practice with training.>>3991335Interesting, how so? I've heard of people getting purebred puppies for thousands of dollars, while adoption can be closer to $500.>>3991329Sounds pretty good, actually.>>3991312Thanks for the tips. I see a ton of GSDs and huskies in my area with the "needs a breed experienced owner" line, which struck me as suspicious. Seems like a lot of people get them without knowing how much attention they need.
>>3991896>Interesting, how so? I've heard of people getting purebred puppies for thousands of dollars, while adoption can be closer to $500.I was selling pups for $500 not long ago. The litter I'm sitting on now, I'm planning on asking $1k though. You just gotta know what to look for.
>>3991137>>3991139kibble does not prevvent plaque, quite the opposite. what does prevent plaque is a mostly natural meat diet without carbs and with soft, spongy, meaty bone.>>3991148>My question is this: how can we read between the lines you can't. what you can is educate yourself on training so that you have tools to deal with what comes your way. binge these channelshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRz6crbrMMo [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc5IQkm3W4w [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuOmWJkaAAgP2gMgiLvRSIg/videos>>3991329>I admit it's not the most scientific methodactually, it is. >>3991896>Interesting, how so?in the long run, food, vet costs, toys, crates, beds and the time you need to spend on the dog and can't spend on making moeny pretty much means the initial buying price really doesn't matter unless you are getting a 20k protection/herding dog or the like.... it all adds up to pretty much the same...>>3991896if you want a "guard dog", which is something I abhor but anyway, GSD is the way to go...>>3991532the chad NOORSER/10
>>3991580there are GRs/labs that will put a Border Collie in it's place. they are rare but they do exist. Labs in particular can be a bit much even with the "average" lab you may find... all these "medium/healthy" sie dogs need about the same amout of time spent on them every day which is about 2-3hrs. the only difference is at what intensities you'll need to go to satisfy theirphysical exercise needs.