Previous >>3912816>Darkwater addition Discuss anything aquarium related here, including inhabitants, decor, and issues. Before asking questions in this thread, make sure you give us at least some details when asking a question, such as:>Tank size (include dimensions, not just volume)>Parameters (ammonia, nitrate, nitrite, pH, GH, KH)>Any inhabitants + how long you've had them>Pictures are always helpfulTank Cycling:>www.modestfish.com/how-to-cycle-your-aquarium/Stocking and Water Change Calculator:>www.aqadvisor.com/AqAdvisor.php>www.hamzasreef.com/Contents/Calculators/EffectiveWaterChange.phpArticles and Care Guides:>www.seriouslyfish.com/knowledge-base/>www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/>www.theaquariumwiki.com/wiki/Aquatic Plant Database:>www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/plantfinder/all.php>www.flowgrow.de/db/aquaticplantsSaltwater shit:>brs 5 minute guides>[YouTube] Saltwater aquarium setup - A simple, easy guide in 5 minute steps. (embed)>https://reefbuilders.com/reef-tank-setup/
looks great unless you're taller than 4 feet
Is physically rubbing leaves or bleach dips the only reliable way to remove algae from plants?
My asian arowana hasn't eaten for 1 month now and the bastard is still alive and kicking. I honestly don't care if he survive or not because I've always wanted a tank full of fancy goldfish(ranchu specifically).
>>3921712Get a pleco or use hydrogen peroxide
pump it into her sump
>>3921712Depending on the extent of coverage, it can be tough. Lots of snails or shrimp and an otto or pleco will help, but if it gets too far gone, there's nothing you can do anymore. I've been in that situation. Keep your nitrates low, light to a minimum. I use an old toothbrush on them sometimes. Also, more plants. As many as you can fit. It is a competition for excess nutrients and you want the plants to win.
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>>3921755Snail infestation and lack of care destroyed this tank set-up previously so i dug it all up and started over.
>>3921758Only a 3 gallon tank so I'm keeping it simple with a nice fancy Betta and maybe a mystery snail to keep the algae under control.
>>3921758How did snails destroy your tank?
>>3921764>plants growing like crazy>suddenly algae everywhere>suddenly long stringy hair algae everywhere >throw some Ramshorn snails in for plant control>Population explodes, destroy the algae but start destroying the ground layer plants as well>stems and leafs floating around the tank, clogging up the filter>throw assassin snails in, slaughter the Ramshorns so tank is littered with snail shells>plants look like shit from the damage>ghost shrimp still doing great thought It just turned to shit by the end, substrate and poop got stirred up and coated all of the plants killing them and the cheap filter eventually died from all of the crap that had been clogging the impeller.
>>3921759I really like it. Peaceful meadow. Show us when the Betta is in.
so, /aq/, sorry for the retarded question, but is there any plant that will survive with no light or bare minimum light?
>>3921777>bandaids upon bandaids upon bandaidsYeah not a surprising result. New tank looks awesome though.
>>3921807>no lightNo. Not even carnivorous plants would survive. There are non-photosynthetic coral that look like plants, but coral are animals, not plants, and they're not easy to take care of, even for experienced reefers.>bare minimumAnubias, but how low are we talking about here? Get a light dude. Even a shitty $10 shop light from Home Depot will do. People have also just put the tank next to a window (this can be trickier than it sounds).
>think I crushed every single bladder snail for the xth time>don't see any for 2 days>next day the light goes on>see at least 3 big onesFucking die already.
tl;dr where to get cheap silicone caulk without fungicides?Back in the day you could grab the bottom-shelf silicone which was just pure acetic condensation cure silicone and make your damn aquariums. Now? Grab the cheap stuff, OH BUT WAIT, you can't use it, it's full of fungicides. What about this more expensive one? NOPE, fungicides. You can take this "speciality silicone" one, which is basically the old silicone but we put it in a cardboard box with badly photoshopped aquariums and fish and add a shitty screw "extruder" which doesn't work (reading the comments) and sell it to you for 10x the price. What a bargain! These amounts of judaism shouldn't even be possible. Fuck this gay shit.
Embrace the snails anons
Are Zebra Mussels fine in an aqaurium?
>>3922063No, and you should be very careful how you dispose of them.
cant wait to get these to grow a bit in the water then put them in the tank. I think they look great
>>3922063I don't think they survive tropical fish temperatures and they are invasive. Would crush them if they show up.
I need help. I have 3 African Dwarf Frogs (2M 1F) and the 2 males are always fucking each other despite the female being there. Every time I separate the males, the remaining male won't fuck the female. How do I deter this behavior? Is there some sort of medicine I can use?
>>3922094Lol u frogs are gay
>>3922094ivermectin, it will make them straight again. be sure to keep atrazine out of the water.
>>3922094maybe female isnt ovulating
>>3922094they turned ur frigging frogs gay
>>3921713Are you starving him or will he just refuse to eat?
>>3922105Thank you for the advice, I really need to breed them and this is a major setback in my operation.
>>3921758>Those detritus worms all over the glass.Fuck man, what did you do?!
>>3922090They're in the lakes here in AZ, and some of our lakes get into the low 90's in the summer.
>>3922127Those are some weird looking crayfish
>>3922143hmm, arent those just bubbles?.. i presumed there was some co2 going and the filter makes bubbles look like worms on the pictures...>>3922127whats that white stuff they are eating?.. looks like nuts or seeds?
coming tomorrow. Want to get some more flow around the tank with the tetras and harlequins
>>3922144Yeah I take that back. They live in Mexico too.
>>3922143>detritus wormsUh those would be bubbles and bubbles in motion.
2 whole days after getting plants and this little fucker is going to town.Was honestly thinking about getting some snails to help with all the biofilm on my wood so for right now I'll consider it a good thing.100% bladder snail right?
>>3922226Snails are a good thing bro. They're a massive indicator of tank balance. If their population explodes, you're over feeding.
>>3922063They will buttfuck your plumbing if there are larva in your water change water. If you have municipal sewer, and your mussels plug the city lines, you might get a bill for unfucking the pipes, and they will be able to figure out where they come from because of the way they'll colonize the pipes.Dump your water change water on grass or in planter pots and don't let it get into the storm drain either.Plus they'll fuck up your filter pump and it's almost impossible to remove them from glass without leaving a blemish if they try to colonize your front glass.
>>3922179>looks like nuts or seeds?I think those are fly larvae
>>3922226>100% bladder snail right?Yes
>>3921626Here’s one of my juvenile male Okefenokee Pygmy Sunfish. i haven’t been able to get a picture of him without my reflection
>>3922331at night with the tank lights on, take it at a slight angle. Nice fish
is there some kind of formula or way to know if a desk or table will hold my aquariums? im gonna get a new one so it will hold 2 of my tanks and a possible third that i want to build, how i will know that the desk will hold? or i just ask the guy that will make the table to just make it with a lot of table legs?
>>3922417Stand on your desk and add mass until it breaks then you know weight limit
>>3922417Figure 10lbs a gallon x total gallons of the tank. Then look at the thing and if you figure it wont then dont
>>3922331I've heard they're brutal on delicate/thin plants.
>>3922417Sometimes tables come with weight limits, but other times you just need to figure out what it's made out of/how it distributes weight and make your own estimate.For example, you wouldn't put a tank on a desk that's basically a 1cm wide piece of pine.
>>3922417>is there some kind of formula or way to know if a desk or table will hold my aquariums?Literally structural engineers study this stuff for years, so yes, there are formulas but you're not going to want to do that kind of work because on this scale it's likely not necessary. If you had a large tank, you'd have to account for an unstable mass, deflection of both the stand and the aquarium, load on the floor, etc. But since you want to put the aquariums on the desk I imagine you have tiny tanks.For the most part, cheap, mass produced desks these days have shit weight tolerance, which are usually on the product details/spec sheet. For instance, Ikea desks tend to be rated for 100-150 lbs or so, which is garbage and wouldn't even support a 20 lbs tank. These are usually conservative so you'll see a lot of idiots put tanks on their desk and all kinds of ghetto shit anyway and claim it's totally fine. What's not fine is that if you are that close to the true limit, it wouldn't take much for some catastrophic event to happen. Like what if someone bumped into your desk? Or what if you fell on it? Or someone simply sat on the corner of your desk?Better quality desks that are solid, real wood often have crazy weight tolerance, like 800+ lbs, however they're also very expensive. Look at the desk's stability too. You don't want some shaky piece of shit even if the weight limit is more than adequate, as weight limits tend to be guaranteed only for evenly distributed, static loads.
you people want a real redpill?(small) community tanks are garbagein the wild fish don't live in such close proximity with other species longterm, they may pass by but they would never share space in a volume like a 20-30 gallon tank on a long term basis. you will see much more interesting and natural behaviors out of fish in a single species tank than you will in a community unless you are doing a community of smaller fish in a bigger tank like a 75-125 gallon full of 2-4'' fish.
>>3922562a lot of NA natives are desu. My flagfish absolutely rape water wisteria and water sprite. Anubias, java ferns and java moss are safe. They'll nibble on duckweed roots, dwarf chain swords and dwarf sag too.
>>3922617This is such old news it isn't even a pill anymore.
>>3922617It's called selective breeding, retard. Fish groups that have no problem to live close to each other are selected so their offspring will be fine with it.
is there such a thing as overstocking plants?
>>3922669Way to miss the point
>>3922672only insofar as the plants will either shade each other out or outcompete one another for nitrogen.
Can I do a bare bottom tank with a Java Moss carpet?
>>3922119He just refuse to eat. I have several guppies in the tank because I’m fed up throwing food in the tank only for him not to eat. I’ve tried frog, cricket and superworm. Right now, I’m just waiting for him to eat the guppies.
>>3923083Oh its been a while. He's sawing the corner off one of his expensive fake rock backgrounds?Is his giant gourami still around? I did really like her.
Just watching another diy aquarium video. Might have my local glass place cut the glass as its very thick.
>>3922628are they eating it?..
>>3923136no, the scorpions don't eat bran, bran is for cricket and carrion beetles and i usually let the crickets in to feed the scorpions. (beetles eat crumbs dead body crickets)
>>3923150i seesounds like a clever setup!>carrion beetlesare they peacefully coexisting with scorpions?
I feel like this is bullshit. Won't a bristlenose just vacuum up the baby shrimp?
>>3923196huh? what's the correlation?
>>3923208There's none, he just jumps to the next topic.Did some googling and a few people have theorized that since they rasp on wood, their feces would be more shrimp friendly, but that's it.
>>3923083>>3923083has he been going off on other youtubers after binging on coke again?
Can anyone here redpill me on Otocinclus?Ive been playing with the thought of buying some for my 45 Gallon tank, but there is nothing I hate more than fish dying because of my mistakes.So is there anyone who has experiences with them? Im talking about tank structure, group size, food and everything beyond that.
>>3923255Why hello there novice aquarist! I, Corey McElroy, just made a video on this exact topic! Look me up on Youtube!
>>3923345is Mr Corey an incel
>>3923354Not at all, my potential customer-friend!Now, when im rich and famous, females are all over me. Although i stay faithful to my puffer, as i always did.Please watch my videos and buy my stuff! Its good.
Crabitat anon here (the one with the mollies) What the hell is this little star shaped "polyp", my fiddlers laid their eggs a week or 2 back, so could this be a crab spawn?
>>3923385Helps if I post the image.
>>3923354Of course not, he has a wife, a female mbu puffer and an indoor fish farm full of livebearers. He is rolling in bitches.
>>3923208Shrimps breed in the presence of bristlenosesTherefore bristlenoses are required for shrimp to breed
>>3923255im a shitty a aquarist and they manage to survive in my 20 gallon. You just need to have lots of algae
>>3923386Looks like a hydra. RIP your aquarium bro
>>3923448nah just throw some gouramis in there, they love hydras.
>>3923208The presence of bristlenose plecos is like viagra for them
>>3923509It's the tentacles. I dare you to tell me this doesn't make you horny
>>3923386Just get pond snails anon, they eat hydra.
>>3923255Have algae, throw some hiding spots for them like caves/wood/coconut huts. Feed algae waffers and repashy.
>>3923517I was reading that mollies eat them too, hopefully it should sort itself out.
>>3923535Mollies eat everything.
>>3923515My young greendragon bristlenose pleco is starting to show some bristles
Gonna be moving in a few weeks anons, any tips for getting 3 aquariums moved?
>>3923637move them already to avoid all the trouble, or move them at the very last, to avoid all the trouble, if you want to move with everything and water, when i moved to my new apt i just got a big ass container with a sealable cap
>>3921779Picked up a nice Black Dragon Plakat Betta today, he still seems confused with what happen to his little plastic cup but isnt taking shit from that silver fish on the other side of the glass.
>>3923719>who am i>what is the meaning to all of this
>>3923722>why do I have a sudden urge to murder something?
>>3923515AHHHH NIGGERMAN HELP ME IM GOING INSANE
>>3923719He can't actually see his reflection in the glass from the inside of the tank (stick your phone in the tank and take a picture from the inside and you'll see for yourself).He is actually responding to objects outside the aquarium, as do many fish, and may be slightly confused by the clear barrier.
>>3923775I see through your flimflams, jew. Big aquarium will not silence me and my pursuit of the truth of the aquarium mirror
>>3923719my guy, that has to be one of the most relaxing tanks ive seen, fucking bravo, what measurements does the tank has?
>>3923810Its a 3 gallon Aqueon frameless cude tank with a single piece fake rock with plants for corners and Black Humate substrate. The ground cover is some nameless Chinese seeds i bought on Amazon, you spread them out on the dirt and use a spray bottle to keep them moist for at least a week until they germinate and form a nice solid layer, then add water.
>>3923881looked bigger, damn im about to buy those sketchy chinese seeds from ebay, i want to do a tank like yours, thanks for the input anon
>>3923935They sent me 3 bags of seeds and it takes about a quarter of a bag to do this, all three could probobly coat a 20 gallon tank pretty well.
>>3923940thank you anon, you gave me a pretty good idea, keep up that sweet tank
>>3923881Use chaeto, shaving brush algae, and cyano. Don't be gay about the best hobby. Embrace high nitrates
>>3923940RIP your tankhttps://www.fishlore.com/aquariumfishforum/threads/psa-carpeting-plant-seeds-are-a-scam.459640/
Are bricks aquarium safe?
>>3923166sometimes they fight in the evening
>>3924122Depends if you're placing it in carefully or dropping it in.
I have a new planted tank (no livestock) which has been cycling for just over 2 days now. At the start I had safe nitrate levels and good carbonate and relatively high PH of 7.6. I just tested today to see how things were coming along and the PH has dropped to 6.4, carbonate is now 0 and nitrate has climbed to slightly dangerous levels. What do you think has happened? Is this a normal part of the cycling process or should I do a water change?
>>3924157So this is part of the cycle and I shouldnt worry too much for now? I just dont want my plants to start dying on me.
>>3924161Hmm, post a pictureCycling takes at least a month. Might take 2 months or more.My last one took 7 weeks.Plants should be fine if you have light and fertilizers ( or soil / mineralized substrate )Takes about a week for the most plants to show signs of deficiencies.Some plants melt when planted out in a new aquarium, and use all if their energy to grow roots. Etc.Again, post a picture so we can evaluate the while setup better.Nothing to worry about after 2 days though.
>>3924161Why should your plants start dying? Do you understand what "safe" nitrate levels only matter to fish and that plants literally suck that shit up?
>>3924171>>3924165I am more concerned with the low carbonate level and massive shift in PH
tfw you knock an air nailer off a ledge
>>3923637Here's what I did:I had two aquariums, one with just shrimp and one with fish and shrimp. I took all the shrimp (or as many as I could possibly catch) out of the shrimp aquarium and put them into the other oneThen I took all the rocks and plants out of the first aquarium, minus the gravelthen I drained all but maybe like an inch of water out of that one and sealed it off with plastic wrapthen for the second aquarium, the day before I moved, I caught all the fish and as many shrimp as possible and put them into two 5 gallon buckets full of aquarium water and some java moss. I connected both buckets to a battery powered air pumpthen I drained the rest of the water out of the second tank, took all the decorative rocks and sticks out, put those in ziploc bags, then sealed the tank with plastic wrap. I moved both tanks the day that I was closing on the house, before I moved anything else. Once I finished at the closing I went to the house and set up the tanks. I made the mistake of keeping the buckets on the floor in the basement so the water got pretty cold, but I just brought them upstairs and let them sit in a warm room overnight and they warmed up. Meanwhile I set up the larger of the two tanks, filled it with water, quick ghetto scaped the tank and dropped in the plants. On the second day I was there I put the fish and shrimp back into the tank. Nothing died, even though the water got pretty cold. I didn't set up the first tank that I had taken down for like 3 months, and somehow even though it sat neglected that long there were still a couple RCS alive in there.
>>3924122I would advise against building an aquarium out of bricks unless you are very akilled with mortar.
>>3924122I wouldn’t risk it.Generally speaking, terracotta should be aquarium-safe, but you dont know what them bricks are made of. Might be some chemical additives that are irrelevant for construction and therefore not stated as ingredient.Personally i only use driftwood or smooth stones ( with all the usual preparations )
Are African Lampeyes any cool? They're plenty and cheap at every store I visit but I can find very little info on them online.
what a freaking joy. Got the Hydor nano 425 yesterday for my 20 long. Hooked it up onto a timer, its great being able to be able to get poop etc out from the corners by having it run for 5 mins a few times a day.
>>3924004Ive grown these plants in the same tank before, took a year for them to be killed off by the snails so they are definitely aquatic-use plants. They eventually grow upwards about 3cm with longer leaves like in >>3921777, its not the flat carpet some people want but its still a nice ground covering and my shrimp loved it. Biggest problem was the weird hair algae that was growing, the light is probobly too powerful for a tank that size and ive hD to leave it turned off for several days just to cut back on algae growth in the glass.
>floating plants start dying out>start adding a fertilizer>they start getting better>also start getting tons of glass algae>moss near the glass looks like complete shit now>after I scraped it off one time and did a partial waterchange the algae got into the filter and clogged it so much that the filter didn't operate properly for a day or two until I noticed>looks like it also attached itself to other plants as well since parts of them started browning fuck floating plants and fuck this hobby
>>3924326lots use fert and have no issues and no tantrum>how long are your lights on? >are you dosing the correct amount or over?
>>3923722>why am i turning blind>who did this to me
>>3924326Add a pre-filter sponge to the intake of the filter, stops shit from getting stuck inside
>>3924318Can you tell us more and take a picture of this wonder-unit?..
>>3924396Not him but it's literally just a circulation pump. Reefers have been doing this for decades.
>>3924409yup, just a wave maker on a time, but noticed its great for cleaning shit out around big driftwood pieces.
>>3924409>>3924412ah, got it!i have one of them eheim-3500, but it had to be removed because i have shrimp now, and i dont want them to get chopped...probably need to buy an older model with a bottom intake, so i can attach a "caged intake" to itbut yeah, it helped with sending the water in the direction of the filter, and my fish enjoyed the extra flow!
sweet got the 3d printed light risers in the mail finally. Much better spread now
I think its a 40 gallon long, might go pick this up this week if it hasn't been taken yet. Dimensions are saying 13" high and 4'5" long
I'm going to have to cull two of my shrimp...but I can't...
>>3924939Just give them to your lfs
>>3924939I'll start up the stove for ya, go buy some cocktail sauce.
>>3924292I have a lot of these. they are very curious and fun to keep but you HAVE to have some sort of lid or they will kamikaze themselves to your ceiling. They are fine with any snails or shrimp and wont nip at other fish. Very peaceful but try to keep them without any other fish as they get bullied easily. Bottom feeders and such are fine though
>>3925100Sounds good since curious fish are exactly what I want and I use a lid. I'll order 10 of 'em then. Thanks friend.
>>3924888damn, contacted the seller, its 4'5" so wont fit perfectly on the piece of furniture I'm looking to put it on
>>3925009>>3925013>>3925014>>3925018Never had a Betta, was thinking about getting one for my 6.5g fluval edge. Are they a pain or pretty simple?
>>3925318They're one of the hardiest fish you can keep, that's why they're so popular5 gallon is like the bare minimum for it though i'd say and you should only ever keep one male in a tank because they will literally maul each otherBut a tank of that size you can really only keep one fish anyway
>>3925335Was thinking about beta or ghost shrimp. Kinda hate just having one fish. I can't remember what I had in this tank 10+ years ago before we started getting into bigger tanks. Its just going to be a natural light blackwater tank.
>>3924939send them down the toilet, they'll have a fighting chance in the sewer
>>3925340>>3925318you should get a paradise fish instead of a beta. they're similar but paradise fish are less common. Also more active. Similar requirements.
>>3925347looks like petsmart has some dwarf gouramis that are quite pretty
>>3925335>>3925347well, screw that idea. I thought I would be another few days trying to take the bottom rim off but like everyone said the bottom is easy as hell. Looks like I can get the glass off today and clean it up then have them cut it this week. Might not spend any more money on fish that would only be in a small tank for a bit.
What us your favourite plant?For me, it's Anubias. They look nice and are easy to maintain.
anons, would a 30x30x25, 22L tank would be comfy enough for a betta?
>>3925367do you have a heat gun? I feel like a heat gun would make this whole process way easier.
>>3925422yes but the more i read about it this stuff doesn't really do much with a heat gun. I totally understand now how tanks are so freaking strong. Its not just silicone, its silicone with a binder that makes it more like a very stretchy epoxy. Got the bottom off. Taking a break then working on the sides. One of the weird things I noticed as well is that the glass in the corners is much tighter and the gap is tiny compared to everywhere else.
>>3925424well, glad this one is still around
>>3925318Betta fish are a very easy species to live. I think you should keep 2 separate and put something in the middle so that the 2 fish can't see each other, sometimes let them see each other
>>3925425couple more things I found. No way can you do this with a regular razor blade as everyone suggests. Unless its just this exact tank, a razor blade is way to big to get under the glass. I ended up using my safety razor blades with duct tape wrapped around it. This is what happens when you try to use a regular razor blade. I'll just have them cut off the worse piece.
>>3925460had to slide the safety razor ahead of the regular blade
>>3925460i used the finest blade i could from a box cutter when i had to separate a cap from an aquarium, maybe that will help you
>>3925466Yea all the ones I had were way to thick. I' got the top totally loose, the sides should be ok now.
it seems my crayfish has eggs
>>3925466>>3925470edit: also sucks that tanks with frames don't have the nicest edges to the glass because it wont be seen so its quite shitty.
>water change>snail in bucket>put snail back in tankfeels good
Sweet all done. Just need to shave off and remove all the silicone.
>>3925553I think I figured out what specs I want it. 48" wide, 18" deep and 12" in tall. I think that would be a 45 gallon breeder style. Should look pretty sweet in blackwater with plenty of driftwood sticking out the top
>>3925553Great job anon!take it slow and steady>blackwater with plenty of driftwood sticking out the topsounds like a nice planwhat kind of silicone are you using?
>>3925570Was looking at two brands of silicone sealant >Momentive RTV100 Series>GE SCS1200both about $20 for 10oz also found>ASI Clear Aquarium Silicone Sealant $11 for 10 oz. I need to start researching bonding strength.
>>3925579havent used any of them myself...>GE SCS1200someone wrote this on amazon:>In my experience this is one of the only products out there which will bond glass to glass.when i was fixing leaks in my previous aquarium i have used a specialized aquarium silicone - har to say of those industrial kind are fish-safe...
>>3925553patience pays, nicely done anon>>3925563thanks
>>3925588I saw that too. I saw the ge stuff recommended on a lot of forums as well. Whatever the stuff is I just took off I want lol. That was some insane strength. >>3925590thanks anon. Need to watch a bunch more videos but going to bring it down to the glass shop tomorrow to have it cut so I will probably have plenty of time.
I've got a tank with some guppies and a Betta. Couple of the guppies are pregnant. Should I go ahead and let nature take it's course and let the adults and Betta pick off the fry or is it worth it to see if I could give the surviving fry to a LFS?
FUCKING PLANTS STARTED FLOATING WONT STAY BURIEDHOW DO YOU GUYS DO IT AAAAAAAAAAAA
>>3925896Stick 'em in the soil, anon. Your substrate is deep enough, right?
>>3925903The anubias roots grew all retarded and horizontal instead of vertical. My other plants growing roots normally.
>>3925938had a chuckle.
>>3925598just make sure whatever you get isn't loaded with fungicides
>>3926061yup, I think the ones I listed are all safe for aquariums.
>>3925832sell them on craigslist
>>3925579Check out the SerpaDesigns utube channel, Tanner does a lot of custom or modified rimless tanks. I think he just uses regular GE 300 silicone. He puts his materials list in the description.
>>3925896I usually put the stem into the substrate kind of sideways figuring the plant will grow its own roots wherever it needs to and they're much easier to keep in place with the rocks on top of the stem instead of next to it.
>>3926301I've watched a bunch of his with his blackwater tanks. Just watched the resealing video, but that is more redoing the interior waterproofing layer. I'm telling you, the shit this tank was sealed with was insanely strong. Weird thing is that it still stunk like glue. I wonder if it never fully cures.
lol this black silicone is like steel. Tried acetone, xylene and gas. Trying to sand the edges now.
>>3926447>update metal wire wheel on a dremel makes it super easy. Did a pane in about two minutes. 4 more panes to go but have to get ready for the thunderstorms soon.
So these little fuckers hitchhiked in on some plants, any idea what they are?They have a little red tongue that shoots out occasionally, maybe some king of segmented worm?
What's up with some corydoras fry suddenly stopping growing? Seemingly healthy, belly full, yet they're stuck as 1 inch or whatever while everyone else has grown up to near adult size. Anyone else experience this? Has happened to several different populations/subspecies.
>>3926486No idea but that sounds cool as fuck. I found a huge white worm once that hitchhiked with some floating plants. Killed it but regret it. Probably not harmful.
>>3926594Have the same issue with 2 of my young corysThey are both a year old now and are about 1/3 of the total length compared to other corys of the same ageThe size of their heads is normal. So they look like human dwarfs or somesuchOne of them has a distinct spine deformation, so i believe both have some sort of a birth-defect connected to the development of their spinesThey grew up in a community aquarium without any special care from my side, so it is also possible that someone attacked/damaged them or they ate sub-optimal food during the first daysThey swim funny, but otherwise are active
How hard is it to start out in reefs?From a short research i think it sounds pretty hard because apparently the minimum tank is 30And the smaller it is the hardest it get to maintain the parametersBut what do you guys think?
>>3926761Hard and expensive. It can be much cheaper than a lot of people think, but it is comparatively still more expensive than freshwater. There are plenty of examples on YouTube of successful pico reefs <20G, but yeah, it can take quite a bit of care and the cost of a 10-30G reef isn't necessarily that much cheaper than a 40-60G reef. Like a Hanna alk checker is $45 whether you're using it to test 10G or 1000G. There are some choices that can make it easier, for instance sticking to soft coral tends to be much cheaper and more forgiving with FAR less dosing requirements than hard coral (LPS or SPS).One way to reduce parameter swings and cut down on maintenance is to use an actual lid to prevent evaporation. This increases stability by a surprisingly large amount. This is one thing that most reefers are absolutely afraid of doing because they're retarded and keep regurgitating dumb shit other reefers say. The downsides of a hard, clear lid according to those reefers are as follows:Your reef will suddenly be unable to oxgenateYour fish will commit seppuku and ram into the lid at mach 2Your $430 Radion XR15 that you've normally dialed down to 50% power will be unable to penetrate your 86-92% clear lid.The actual downsides:You have to clean it sometimes (if you don't have air bubbles in the display and keep all the bubbles in the sump, I've found I don't need to clean the lid for months at a time).
>tfw you watch your fish doing something retarded and then you see its eye twitch when it notices you and it panics and swims off like nothing happened
>setup community tank about a month ago with ~50 fish, planted tank.>everything going fine, cycled with a filter from a diffferent tank, 0 ammonia/nitrite, 5ppm or less nitrate, pH is stable 6.5-7.5>do 15-20% water change once a week, match the temperature and use dechlorinator>every time i do a water change 4-5 fish die within an hourI'm so frustrated. I've got an API master test kit and every single parameter tests fine, but i have a mass die-off immediately after doing a small water change, what the fuck gives? Is my water just poison?
>>3926863Odd. Yeah, I would test the water coming out your tap. If that reveals nothing, you could always send it in for testing (ICP), but it's a bit pricey.If there is a direct correlation to water changes + fish dying and your tank's nitrate isn't spiraling out of control thanks to the plants, maybe just don't do water changes for a while until you know more.
>>3926802Thanks for the info anonSay if i want to go with FOWLR and a single fish, what would you recommend?Or should i start with fish-only first?
I'm planning to breed fish anons and I'm gonna make it big as a breeder.You will be knocking the hotpockets out of your mother's hands to get my Guppies, Snails, and Hillstreams. Anything else I should breed? My Set up is going to start with >Six 10 Gallons>Four 40 Breeders.Guppies in the 10s by generations, with two 40s dedicated to Culls and For Sale.Then a 40 Breeder for Mystery Snails and a 40 the Loaches.Honestly I just like breeding fish and want a way to contribute to my local fish scene.
>>3926911You will make $4 max and be overcrowded with fish and flood the market. Don't think profit when you get into the hobby, it's not a gold mine.
>>3926918My understanding its slow profit, low margins, and a lot of work.I just want to do it as a bucket list kind of thing. Breed some stuff and say I sold some. Reason I picked the three is that guppies and snails will always move. They're the most purchased things in my area.Hillstreams are more of a project. People in my area are reserving orders at all the lfs, months in advance. They can't get them fast enough. My connection at one of them suggested that if I could get a colony of them breeding in our water, he'd buy absolutely every single one I could make.Also I want an excuse to get some hillstreams. I absolutely adore loaches, and those little shits are like mini stingrays.
>>3926923Your understanding is a bit skewed, it's more along the lines of Time/Money Sink and Space /Market Limitations.But if you just want the prestige, then I'd say put compatible fish in the 40g. Guppies, Cherry shrimp, and Snails are a good combination. You can put different strains in each tank for variety's sake, even grow some Java Moss while you're at it. Not sure about the Loaches though, sorry.
Heading out to get some more plants today at petsmart. Whatcha think, 20 ghost shrimp in a 6.5 gallon?
>>3927220they'll gouge you on the shrimp. get 5 and breed more.
>>3927228I'm seeing .39c per, what do you usually pay?
>>3926911>>Six 10 GallonsAverage Asian household breeders have at least 20 18g buckets.
I have shrimplets /aq/:)
Any recommendations for stocking my 10g aquarium? Preferably something that you don't see too often in the hobby.I initially planned on having pea puffers in there but I guess they've finally been overfished to extinction because they've been impossible to source for months at this point.Bonus points if it eats snails because I already put a bunch in there in preparation for the puffers...
>>39274718 clown killis and 5 types of moss.
>>3927471>10g>something that eats snails 99 shrimp, 1 assassin snail 0 puffers
fucking totally ripped off when buying a rimmed tank
>betta fish spends more time autistically staring at stratum than anything else in his aquarium Is this concerning behaviour? Like he does normal things but most of the time he’s staring at random shit on the ground at a 80 degree angle
what does it means when a shrimp has a bright yellow spot on its back near the head?
>>3927249I'm not making a living, mostly for funsies.
>>3927673He's ascending to the next dimension. Stop worrying about it. If you are kind, he will invite you onto the space ship when the Betta Splendites arrive. You will be given an enclosure and treatment similar to the quality off how you took care of him.
>>3927682Cool. He’s begging for food now and nipping at the stratum so if your hypothesis is true I should oblige him in his efforts
>>3927677It's probably dying
>>3921867It's best to leave them. They aren't really a pest.
>>3921867Get a pea puffer. They will eat like 3, then they will murder the rest out of spite, the hateful little shits.
>planted tank>only tetras and shrimpbecause it can't be anything else, right?
>>3927805Because they're copying japanese aquascapers.I've done Guppies, Platies, Gourami, Molly. I honestly think a forest of wisteria with an army of guppies moving in and out of it is absolutely beautiful.
>>3927831>GouramiThat's what I want to hear. I seldom see a nicely scaped tank with nice centerpiece fish, let alone a centerpiece fish at all. Maybe Rainbow Sharks or something of that nature.
My cories go nuts for freshly squeezed pest snails. I'm running out of pest snails help.
Aside from accidentally killing fish when you were 7, what's the biggest mistake you've made in this hobby?
>>3927805>tfw I had a high tech nano display with a scarlet badis m/f pair, least killifish, and two bumblebee gobiesIt was a unique tank. The plants grew so well that I had no excess nutrient issues even though it was just a standard 5g with 12 fish. The secret could have also been earthworm casting as a substrate, I paid $8 for a 7lb bag instead of $30 for that gay ass aqua soil that every planted tank freak shells out for
>roots growing out of the middle of the stalk on my elodeawhat do i do here? should i leave them or replant them somewhere
>>3928007you can absolutely cut below the root and replant.
>>3927945Kept cories with amano shrimp. the shrimp yanked all the food and the cories starved to death. should've seen it coming.
>>3928136>cories getting dabbed on by fucking shrimplmao
>>3927917all fish love dead snails, so do shrimp, shits amazing. why buy shrimp food? just keep snails in the tank and smush a few every day.
I thought Taiwan Moss prefers to grow horizontally instead of vertically? Mine seems to be growing up and not out. Any idea why this could be?
>>3927945trusting flourite when they said the substrate was pre-rinsed
>>3927945Buying too much used stuff and it's all for freshwater also. I should have must spent that $1,5k total (guess) on a single saltwater setup and grow corals to make some of it back
>>3927945Overestimating my diligence and self-disciplineAt least two of my aquariums throughout the years looked like shit due to neglecti could probably find many personal reasons to justify it, but im still feeling really bad and ashamed
>put in sinking bellets for shrimps>baby snails swarm it, shrimp can't get in on it>pinch pellet, feel delightful little pops all over>now algae pellet also contains protein and extra calciumthank you based snails.
>>3927945Not having a backup air pump for when the power goes out in the winter.Fish didn't die, but he became unresponsive and would've died.Ended up macgyvering a sandwich bag and some duct tape into a bellows and pumped air by hand with only two flashlights to see. The battery powered air pumps that walmart sells in the fishing aisle work great btw.
What is this stuff on my substrate? Is it a kind of algae or just shit? None of my bottomfeeders will touch it and it’s just building up. I just cleaned my tank last weekend and it looks like this.
>>3927805>>3927831I like my glass cats in my planted tank, very aesthetic
just dropping in to say I don't have an aquarium but I really enjoy seeing your guys' setups/fish. these are always comfy threads.
>>3928418Can you take a close-up picture?..if you are talking about that brown residue - it looks like a typical waste that accumulates in aquariumsnot much you can do about it - weekly vacuum cleaning, airstones and circulation pumps in strategic spots to move the debris towards filterwhite gravel and sand are high-maintenance ( not everyone here agrees with me, but its true )
Can you guys give me some advice on my first planted tank?I had it set up with soil/gravel/water but some plants rotted and the water consistently measured 8PPM ammonia. Anyway the soil got disturbed when i poured more water in and it looked bad so I drained all the water out and redid the hardscape.It looks way better now, I’m much happier with it but I didn’t refill it with water, I left it damp with Saran Wrap over the top. After one week, all but my most resilient plants look like they’re rotting away. I thought leaving the plants in without filling with water would help them establish roots?I need to buy more plants ofc but should I plant them and then immediately fill with water? Or should I wait until??? What if the ammonia is so high again?I have a lot of anxiety about filling up the tank after the accident last time, plus it’s so much harder to make any improvements to the scape beneath the water.
>>3928418>>3928440That loose brown dirt that accumulates in dips in the sand is normal, I had it a tank with snails (probably snail poop+misc). When tank became more established, I see none of it. It gets eaten very fast by good bacteria or something.
>tfw the runt female flagfish diedno real signs of damage or stress but she just wasn't getting as much food as the others unfortunately, everyone else seems healthy and happy, water's fine. My guess is she was just under a year old. I didn't notice her having any obvious stress issues, she just wasn't growing as fast as the others and never caught up.I really hate the deaths that you can't really do anything about.
>>3928449Take a picture - it helps a lot to understand whats going on>it looked bad so I drained all the water out and redid the hardscapeagain, hard to comment without a picture, but generally speaking you should try decorating your aquarium in a less "sensitive way"Personally Im always pouring water on my hand, so it runs down along my fingers and causes minimal disturbance>leaving the plants in without filling with water would help them establish roots?had aquariums for a long time but never heard about it beforesticking plants in the substrate completely submerged underwater worked fine for me so far>should I plant them and then immediately fill with water?in my opinion, it should be done in this order: fill aquarium with substrate, fill it with water, install all available hardware ( heater, lights, filter, airstones, pumps etc ), add decorations ( stones, wood, roots etc ), let it run for a day ( dust settles down, water heats up to the set temperature, etc ), start cycling the aquarium and add plants ( along with fertilizers if you didn't wait for some ammonia/nitrites buildup )>What if the ammonia is so high again?is it from your tap water maybe?.. what kind of soil have you used? I'm not a soil expert, so someone else should help you out with that, but that soil might be adding to ammonia>so much harder to make any improvements to the scape beneath the water.its true! you can get somewhat used to it with time
>>3928436fuck you faggot join the hobby and post your fucking tank provided you wait the acceptable one month for the fishless cycle to hopefully occur
>>3928449>Anyway the soil got disturbed when i poured more water in and it looked bad so I drained all the water out and redid the hardscape.protip: pour your water onto something solid next time to prevent that from happening again
Anyone got any advice on caring for baby mystery snails? I managed to get my first clutch to hatch but I’m pretty sure they all died. Not sure what happened since it’s the same water from my main tank and the parameters are perfect. I have another clutch about ready to hatch, what should I be doing specifically to help them survive and grow?
>>3928516OK here’s my setup please don’t talk too much shit about my PVC cave (I had a lot of fun making it.) It’s actually not “on” the substrate but stacked on slate that the substrate is around because I read that toxic gasses could form under heavy decorations.You can kinda see the Tiger Lotus in front is miserable and there’s a row of Ludwiga in the back/right side thats failing. The hair grass is new. There used to be about 50% more plants. I used RO water so I’m sure the ammonia came from the soil. Should I be worried about that? Does it hurt the plants?> pouring water on my hand, so it runs down along my fingers and causes minimal disturbanceI’m definitely going to be more careful next time. It’s my first time so i was prepared for a lot of mistakes. But wow it’s all a lot harder (at least for me) than you guys make it look.
>>3928436here is the development of my aquarium in 2,5 yearshad an ugly case of blackbeard for half a year, som many plants died during the no-fertilizers-low-light phase
>tired as fuck >go on week vacation >forget to tell neighbor to feed betta fish I remembered today after 6 days. She fed him but said he's very weak and suffering. How can I ever forgive myself for what I did?
>>3928553Holy shit teach me anon
>>3928553Beautiful amazing goals
Are ecospheres welcome here?I plan on making one once I figure out a layout and find the stuff to put in.
Just a chill Friday night
>>3928561Seppuku into the tank and let the betta feast on your blood
>>3928561Bettas unironically are able to go a week without food
>>3928553Noice. I'm battling blackbeard right now and it looks exactly like in your pic. Happy to see there's light at the end of the tunnel.
Got a good (read: Large) bunch of higher CRI LED product guts (Lumiled, Cree, Philips) totally not left over from a from a company liquidation.Do anyone got interesting links and what not to read up on regarding CRI/temperature/lumens? All biotopes/refugium/whatever welcome. I just like lights.I've gone from a 60L, 10L hospital/betta and now a 150L stopgap before commissioning a 550L loooong from a local builder early next year. My bedroom will then be full.
The timer on the wave maker has been great. Really loving how much shit the filter is picking up now after having it run for a minute a few times a day. This is some floss after a week. aygyg
Has anyone here ever kept mudskippers? My LFS got some indian mudskippers in stock and I'm really tempted even though I don't have a tank set up. Is cycling a new tank even necessary for mudskippers since they spend most of their time out of the water anyway?
Just finished the second to last pane. Crazy how the edges are cupped which is what is taking me so long to clean all the silicone
>>3929302i hope this will not compromise the future aquarium's integritygood to hear you made it this far without any accidents!
>>3929305its just crazy how weird the glass is. I wonder if its cupped to keep the silicone in the joint. I'm going between scraping, sanding and the small wire wheel brush. Sooooo close to being done lol.
I just bought a second hand aquanano marine 36 but I'm having trouble finding info about it online, is anyone familiar with this model of tank? Where would be the best spot to place an auto top off optical sensor?
>>3929347View of tank from top
>>3929347Also does anyone know what this black container insert is for?
is there a better site to use to sell stuff? i don't wanna use craigslist and live animals get taken down from offerup / nextdoor pretty quick
>>3929395I have the manual already, there is very little info in it and it doesn't explain what the black container is
What corals or stock should i add to the tapwater reef? Obviously no hard to keep SPS or any more fish.
>>3928639>>3928712Apparently he's still alive today. I still feel terrible though. I should let him feast on my blood.
>>3929493thanks anon, wish i could get a little better compression on the vid but oh well
Best native fishbowl fish you can keep in Australia?
My AC was out for 4 days and it got so hot in my place that my tanks plastic black rim appears to have gotten soft and warped, there's about a 6 inch section in the center that no longer touches the stand, about a quarter of an inch gap.is this something I should worry about?
>>3929514Maybe a Euphyllia garden? Could be pricey though.>>3926889>Say if i want to go with FOWLR and a single fish, what would you recommend?>Or should i start with fish-only first?Naw, go straight for FOWLR. Live rock aids in stability and makes it easier to transition to reef sometime in the future. Depends on how big of a tank you're willing to invest in. FOWLR has the advantage of allowing you some of the coolest large fish in the hobby that are not reef friendly, like angels or parrotfish, however most of those can get quite large. If you want to transition to a reef someday, then it might not be a great idea to get these non-reef fish, but many of them do make a great centerpiece for FOWLR tanks. On the smaller side (I assume from the previous posts) there's Coral Beauty angels, which grow to about 4", so not so bad and apparently not too difficult to keep.For reef safe, smaller fish there's shit tons. The ubiquitous clownfish do fine in FOWLR. Firefish is also a pretty good choice, as unless they are a mated pair, they'll fight each other anyway without adequate space. I personally really like Royal Gramma Basslets, however I've owned three over the years and each has behaved quite differently. My current one is very outgoing and doesn't hide much, but will not eat flakes/pellets at all. I've had a previous one that was a little skittish but did eat anything. I've had one that was surprisingly territorial to other fish when they're generally very peaceful to non-basslets.One of the more interesting fauna you can get for a nano tank is a goby + pistol shrimp pair, such as a Randall's goby and a Randall's shrimp, or a yasha goby and candy stripe shrimp. They are often sold as a pair. The shrimp will create a tunnel habitat while the goby keeps watch and lives with the shrimp in the tunnel. I'm not sure it'll be the best choice for the only fauna in a non-coral tank since there's a chance you might not see them often, though.
>>3929541Yeah torches are expensive. Its fucking annoying because I can afford them but postage here in the UK is insane for corals because everybody insists on sending them with a heatpack, which ups postage to like 15-20 pounds for one frag and imo is unnecessary unless they are posting in the winter months. I get to the point where im browsing ebay and just looking for corals near where i live for collection because i dont want to throw 20 pounds in the bin on shipping alone, which reduces my available corals. And all of the corals at LFS near me are both riddled with aptasia and usually 2-3x as expensive as buying from ebay. I did get the tri-color anenome lately (actually there were two, it split as soon as i put it in the tank) from ebay for 10 pounds though. might bid on this fungia and plant it at the front of the tank. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124897450856?hash=item1d1477db68:g:g-sAAOSwLh1hPenAWas also thinking birdsnest because its cheap and easy to keep. I have some Pocillopra in there but i think i may have killed it when trying to set up my frag rack. May also buy some form of mushroom as well as they're cheap.
>>3929206There's one anon who has them iirc
want to keep fish but know id be a shit owner cause i'd get lazy and they'd die cause i didnt check the ph or some retarded shit
ok, fucking wall of text incoming, 'cause I'm drunktldr:bought second tank with shit ton of extra light, Aquarium~soil, shrimp gravel, and do the 'serraCO2 tabs every other day, because I have no real CO2.after 4 days 60% of the dwarf hairgrass is dying. wtf why?I parted it into small chunks, like I should?! help
>>3929688guys, help!tldr: dwarf hairgrass in new tank is dying, wat do?I bought a second tank (19gal)to put the swordtails into, 'cause I think they are bullying the shrimp in my first tank (16gal)first tank has shitty light, but is heavily planted, with java moss, some other moss, and some random stem plant. ...and some eleocharis. but the bigger one, not 'dwarf hairgrass'and the thing is, its stagnant. it doesn't grow, 'cause shitty light, but doesn't die ether. it stays the same for a year now. so that was also the plan for the new tank.shitton of light, with soil and fertilizer, so it would carpet, then reducing everything and normal light. so it stays the same forever.java moss in first tank is fucking exploding, and is like 1/3 of the entire tank, (I rip a hand full of it out like every other week, but holy shit...)new tank has 3 times more light than normal, and expensive aqua soil under the shrimp gravel.and I put a serra CO2 tab in it every other day, cause I have no real CO2 for the plants.so... I put a bunch of dwarf hairgrass in it, and split it evenly all over the ground, and 3 days later half of it is dying.I started with 8 hours of (intense)light daily..wtf, why?I don't think the tank is cycled, but I put this 'tetra bakteria save start' in it. still don't trust it, but the 5 'test shrimp' in the tank seem happy. (the other tank has like 237 shrimp in it, so I dont really care if the 5 test shrimp die...but now the dwarf hairgrass just melts away.fucking why??I want a fucking carpet. if everything fails, I throw in a handfull of java moss, but I wanted this tank to be different. not just jungle... pls help
Are Glass Catfish and Glass Shrimp a good idea together? I plan on lots of moss for the bed.
Rate my 20 gallonstocking ideas? Maybe a pair of rams?
>>3929688>>3929696I think some other anons have had luck with CO2-less hairgrass carpets, but I have never been able to do it without actual gas injection CO2, none of the tabs or liquid alternatives (which I have never found to be very effective).I've also found organic soil base + substrate cap to be very helpful. Are you using just sand?
>>3929676Then don't keep fish. No one gets everything they want. Not even Jeff Bezos (no matter how much money, whining, and litigation he throws around, a literal 'sperg still beats him in space).
>>3929708I suggest only getting a pair of rams if you can be assured they're a mated pair. Two random ass rams could start fighting for dominance, and without enough rams for diffused aggression, the weaker of the two could get bullied to death even if it is a male-female pair.
>>3929688>>3929696should have gone with dry start anon. Also dwarf hairgrass will die back a bit after being planted because it was most likely grown in vitro (aka not in water) and has to adapt to the less co2 rich environment of water. Propograting dwarf hairgrass from an established tank is much easier because it doesnt have to adapt. And as other anons have mentioned, you are probably better off with a potting mix/ organic soil base with a cap than normal aquasoil. Imo its better all round than aquasoil.Dry start will also have allow the hairgrass to root up in the aquasoil and give it more chance to survive. It will also carpet out within that time so your tank is ready to go, usually takes 6-8 weeks for a complete carpet. Basically:>empty tank of water to lowest substrate level>cover tank with cling film to trap moisture>mist tank once per day>leave lights on 12 hours per day>wait 8 weeksLights are also much less important for growth than some people will let you think. It isnt expensive = good growth. Most aquatic plants (especially something like dwarf hairgrass) will grow under very low light. Its more about them getting a strong root system in an established aquarium. It is easier to get plants in an established tank that has been running for a year or two than in a fresh one (more bacteria, more nutrients available in water/aquasoil from detritus etc). I would also plant more densly than you have.
>>3929764>>3929688>>3929696also co2 tabs are useless. They dont actually do anything. Either get real co2 or just go low tech. Dwarf hairgrass doesnt need co2 to survive or carpet.
>>3929701No problems with this+shrimps?
alright bros how niggerish and violent are paradise fish really? 50% of people tell me oh it's just a coolwater betta it will be fine, 50% say oh no holy shit it will murder every other fish that isnt at least 2x its size in the tank then possibly jump out and kill you in your sleep.I'm kinda tired of dealing with schooling fish in my 20 gallon and kind of just want to keep plants and one fish.
>>3929803Apparently very. But even pibbles have the capacity to not chimp out
could someone show me an example of a planted tank with low light? I see plants labeled low light but that's kind of vague.
>>3929822most of the ADA tanks at their gallery can be classed as 'low light'. They are around 30-40 Par which really is not much light at all. https://youtu.be/jKHwDfv6ETg?t=691https://barrreport.com/threads/ada-lighting-at-aqua-forest-and-nice-low-par-values-who-knew.4865/
Do YOU have what it takes to be a master breeder?
Got the rockscape on my new tanks done, how's it looking?
>>3930043damn bro how did you get the sand and the rock to stick to the wall like that?
>>39300782 part epoxy
>>3929991Thankssee this is what's confusing about the whole labeling things as low light, medium light, high light, to me those tanks look pretty well lit, seems like you need a par meter to have a clue what you're actually putting out.
damn this is sexy af
>>3928162it grows towards the light. You can figure out the rest yourself
>>3928244if you set it up correctly you have to do nothing but top of water sometimes
>>3930797You still should do occasional large water changes to reduce the buildup of trace elements.
I bought one of those magnettic glass cleaners, but it's way too rough. It'll scratch the fuck out of the glass. Are they all like that?
>>3931079most of them are like a hard velcro
>>3930911not with enough plants. Doesn't hurt but not needed