This thread is dedicated to all animals of the reptilia and amphibia classes. Topics include, but are not limited to: geckos, snakes of all kinds, frogs, salamanders, newts, turtles, tortoises, and much more. Before asking a question, do a search on the internet to see if it has been answeredClassifieds for finding breeders and products:>morphmarket.com>kingsnake.com>faunaclassifieds.com>reptilescanada.com (Canadian breeders)>caudata.orgMost forums will have a "for sale" section on them, so look for that, especially if you have a specific herp you want. Craigslist can also be a good source for cheap aquariums, and make sure to check for any reptile expos that occur in your area.When asking a question, make sure to include these details:>Type and size of animal>Enclosure dimensions>Humidity and temperature>Type of substrate>The decor you use>How often you feed>The type of food you use>If your animal is wild caught or captive bred>How often you handle>Who you bought the animal fromOther Helpful Resources>www.blackjungleterrariumsupply.com>www.joshsfrogs.com>http://www.reptilesmagazine.com>http://www.anapsid.org>http://www.hylid.clara.co.uk/caer.htm>https://www.americanmadeexotics.com/breeding-ball-pythons-article.html>http://blogs.thatpetplace.com/thatreptileblog/Old Thread: >>3897809
Do you feed your herps Fish?
>one of my garters shed>measure the shed since that's probably the only way I'll be able to keep them still and straight for the second and a half it requires to measure>last measurement was about 18 inches>this one is off the ruler, about 20ish inches>inspect the shed and realize I'm missing the tip of the tail>check where I found the shed, look under a slate chunk>find the rest of the tail>not a tip but a section about 4 inches long>this maniac grew six inches in two weeks, is now almost 24 inches long>the next closest snake in size is 17I'm gonna need to upgrade their enclosure sooner than I thought.
>>3912446I feed my garters a mix of diced tilapia fillets and chicken hearts, dusted with multivitamin every third feed, which they seem to enjoy. As they get larger I'll likely mix it up with some whole silversides and maybe a little salmon once in a while for a treat (since it's kinda fatty), and maybe frog if I can find it (legs are no problem, but feeder frogs themselves are next to impossible to find and I do want them to get that organ meat. maybe I'll look into reptilinks or something for that).
Any tips for converting a force feeding snake into an assist feeder? She doesn't seem to understand food.
Sorry, I fell asleep.
>>3912473>maybe frog if I can find itI've not kept garters, but wouldn't feeder tadpoles accomplish the same basic thing? Tadpoles are much easier the buy in bulk than grownass frogs.
>>3912830My local store got in a blue tree just for display. He's such a fucking cutie, loves him some dubias and raspberries.
>>3912761what was your dream about?
>>3912879Don't remember. Wish it was something fun, like the Jewish Rhacodactylus Overlords gifting me a cute Israeli gf.
>>3912833If you told me a few days ago that these things existed I wouldn't fucking believe you. Absolutely amazing coloration, no idea why they're not more common.
>>3912434Well /herp/, I got the coof. Who's taking my snakes if I kill over?
Baby tokay is a bit over two weeks old and continues to elude the camera.It was looking super cute sitting against mom on the back of the enclosure and I tried my best sneaking up to them, but it instantly bolted into the plants when I got too close.
>>3912449You realize sheds are anywhere from 10-40% longer than the snake, and could even be nearly twice the length, right? Every shed could be a different percentage. You'd be better off putting the snake in a container with a foot long ruler, taking a photo from above, and uploading that to SerpWidgets.>>3912751Time and patience.
>>3912956A lot of times the family will refuse to do it. We've had people bring in the ball pythons of their dead son when his body wasn't even proper cold yet.No really, he wasn't even buried yet but getting rid of the snakes apparently was the priority.
>>3912953Dude what if most of the species in our complex were endemic to singular islands somewhere in Oceania, wouldn't that be funny haha.
>>3912961It was a tongue in cheek request for volunteers, but that's pretty fucked up
>>3912961i wonder how much of that is just not knowing that snakes will be fine left alone for a week. People are used to mammal pets that need daily care, so the family of the deceased might just want their dead son's animal not to die.Stupidity is more common than hate, in my experience. Wouldn't be surprised either way though.
>>3912956I'll take 'em as long as they aren't balls. Also coof probably won't kill you unless you're obese or over 80.>>3912959He sounds like a little jackass.>"Feed me some more crickets, retarded gorilla monkey pig creature. No you may not get a photograph."
>>3912960>You realize sheds are anywhere from 10-40% longer than the snake, and could even be nearly twice the length, right? Every shed could be a different percentage.No. Well, shit.
>>3912989>unless you're obese or over 80.
>>3912989>He sounds like a little jackass.Well I mean he IS a tokay.
>>3913004Simply do not be a fatass.
>>3913006Heh. His parents are both friendly, actually. I have dad out at the moment.
>>3913035He's so fat I love him.
>>3913037Yeah, he's a little on the chunky side. I'm taking it easy with feedings lately because of it. I do like seeing some reserves on the tail, especially on the female because laying eggs takes a lot out of them, but I don't aim to turn them into blue leachies.
I killed a snake that was just vibing by accident when doing yard work...
Lacerta agilis argus eating waxworm
>>3912882crested geckos are no longer rhacs my friend, the science has been patched.
>>3913187Bullshit dude you're a fucking liar->it's real
>>3913192yeah i think them and saras moved over to correlophus, not really sure why considering both can interbreed with chewies which are still rhacs.
>>3913056part of me wants to just jump straight into togays but i like the idea of mostly feeding powdered food to a crestie or gargoyle for starters. tokays are simply the most beautiful gecko though and nobody can convince me otherwise.
>Monitor lizardsVGA, DVI or HDMI?
>>3912434>Lean yet muscular, fast, can climb any trees, perfect coloration and pattern, hunter eyesThe perentie is the chad of the reptile world, /fit/ would be jealous.
>>3912751You didn't even say what kind of snake. Old advise when I would lurk around kingsnake and some other places was to brain pinkies for smaller snakes
>>3912956I'd take them even if they were balls but you're not going to die
>>3912987Yeah, that's very likely the case. Also had an elderly man bring in two rat snakes from a relative and said he fed them before the car ride so they wouldn't go hungry. That was actually kind of cute (luckily the trip didn't make them regurge afterwards).
>>3913273Tokays are fairly tolerant of enclosure condition errors, they make a fine starter lizard if you're not afraid to bleed a little.
Wagie got a rosey in. How do I care for it? They like it dry right?
>>3913202>not really sure why considering both can interbreed with chewies which are still rhacs.Taxonomy is fuzzy at best. What it's called now may not be in future.
>>3913744How reliable is the information presented here?>4 foot adult snake in a 10 gallon enclosure>with a heat gradient of 90 on one end and 65 on the other
>>3913769It says 10 gallon for adults? That's wrong. Here, this sheet is better:https://reptilerapture.net/rosy-boa-caresheet.html
>>3913773Yeah shit is kinda weird on that site.
>>3913744>>3913769So basically like a leopard gecko.
>>3913906In terms of temperature and humidity, yes. Very similar.
>>3912960why is that? genuinely curious. I was going to measure my BPs shed as well, so I'm glad I saw this. Also, would appreciate some pics of aesthetic leopard gecko setups, I need ideas
Guys, I need your help (sort of)I want to get (adopt probably) a ball python, I am a student though, so my income isn't that high. I have roughly space for a 120x70x100 (cm) big terrarium, do you think that's enough for this particular snake? Also, will she/he get lonely or are there other things I have to keep in mind when raising this race of snake?
Got my new babies in yesterday, first time keeping reptiles. Can you spot all 3 geckos in this enclosure?
Picked up a slaw worm the other day and it shat on meMade me interested(the lizard not the shit)Any tips or a place where I can read up on if I am thinking about eventually getting a reptile pet?
>>3914091Most snakes don't get lonely. A baby ball would fit in that space nicely, but it's kinda marginal for an adult, but your living situation will probably change before you need to upgrade.The snake will use all of the space you give it and most people fail to give Ball Pythons enough climbing space. They are semi-arboreal, give them things to climb on.
>>3914091120x70x100 is enough for an adult royal. it's a bit tall which will make heating/lighting from the top more difficult.mine spends 100.0% of his time in his hide anyway, despite my efforts to encourage natural behaviours. he just doesn't care.
>>3914247>>3914272thanks guys, I will keep it in mind. Are there any reliable books regarding snake keeping that have stood the test of time?My brother did already have a ball python, but I would love to read about it myself, and I kinda dont trust some online journals so I'm hestitant ggogling stuff.Again, thanks for the input
>>3914284The guy that wrote many of the books on ball pythons (Kevin McCurley) is pretty much the archetypal bad keeper/breeder that dismissed any infornation that would run counter to his ability to keep his snakes in tiny drawers with nothing but the most basic shit in them so he can crank out as many overpriced morphs as he can. Avoid his shit and anything that agrees with his shit. Ball pythons (males especially) are semi-arboreal and have been observed in the wild raiding nests - males especially have a wild diet that consists of about 70 birds. A little extra height might actually be a good thing for your snake if it's a male.
>>3914284https://reptifiles.com/ball-python-care-guide/ is solid info
>>3912833>raspberriesThe first time I've heard about monitor eating fruit
>>3914326>>3914333appreciated mates, cheers
>>3914326>70 PERCENT birds.Weirdly enough, apparently mostly juvenile african grey parrots.
>>3914399There's a fillipino monitor that is almost exclusively frugivorous, but I don't know if they are in the pet trade.
>>3914477Norther Sierra Madre Forest Monitor, Varanus bitatawa.
What is the best family of lizards and why is it Lacertidae?
hello guys, I don't know if this is the right thread for terrarium building, but I'm trying to build my first one and I'd like some suggestions/criticism.it's a small (45x30x30 cm) vertical exo terra in which I'll initially put only plants and ideally in the long term if it's appropriate I'd like to get some mourning geckos for it. I made an expanding foam background with some stuff for decoration and the plan is to have a waterfall and if I can fit it an ultrasonic mister. If you look at the bottom there's a sort of pool area. I'll silicone it all aroung and fill it with rocks/gravel so that it's shallow. Behind it there is sort of a cave hidden by a piece of acquarium filter protecting the pump (I'll show you upsclose in the next pic). The pump feeds into the sort of pool you see at the top (it's a plastic cup). I tested it briefly and the waterfall effect is nice.continues next post
Now, here's where I fucked up: the pool plastic cup at the top is also where I planned to have the ultrasonic mister, But I didn't let a hole for the cable so that it is removable like the pump.The pump and the system to keep it removable is shown here: basically a platic tunnel over which I foamed. So my question is: do ultrasonic misters need semi frequent changes like pumps? Because if they do the only opption I have is to drill a hole above the upper plastic cup pool to pass the cable and then cover it up with mesh and moss.Is it a bad idea? Do you think there are alternatives?
>>3914680>do ultrasonic misters need semi frequent changes like pumps?No, but they will eventually clog with deposits if you aren't using distilled water. So there's that
close up of lower pool and pump filter
>>3914669thank you>>3914682I'll definitely use distilled water, also because my water is very hard and would stain the glass.
>>3914692Distilled is probably not a good idea, since it can actually leach minerals out of the soil/rocks/animals etc. Water is a solvent, remember. Purified is probably better in the case of a vivarium.
>>3914703Distilled is not going to be perfectly de-ionized and rainwater and fog is basically distilled anyways. If you're super worried, put in just a tiny bit of potassium salt (sold as low sodium salt for hypertensives) in your distilled water before you pour it into the reservoir.
>>3912761>tfw probably won't ever be able to keep a croc monitorWhy live?
>>3914703>>3914708would rain water be better? I don't have access to purified water unfortunately
>>3914714just use tap water and clean it regularly
>>3914714most pet places will have a water conditioner you can add to regular tap. rain water is probably suboptimal because of the microorganisms you'd be adding to the enclosure.
>>3914722>>3914723the problem is that my tap water is very hard. Don't conditioners just get rid of chlorine? would mix of tap and distilled be a happy middle ground?
>>3914714I'm saying just used distilled for a fogger/mister. Maybe add just a little mineral in the form of potassium salt.
>>3914680>So my question is: do ultrasonic misters need semi frequent changes like pumps?Distilled is recommended for ultrasonics because using non-distilled will produce a very annoying white dust to get spat out with the water mist. It's not a health issue but it is messy.
Pineapple frogs (x3)
>>3914857Oh hi, fellow marshfren.Come over here real quick. I wanna tell you a secret. Yeah. A secret.Come closer.
>>3914776>>3914818Ok thank you
My beloved blue tongue skink :)I would die if any harm came to him
>>3915325he looks like a slightly cranky tube sock. I love him. give him a berry or something for me.
Anyone know any contacts for Micro Geckos or geckos in general, im looking for more sellers than what's on Morphmarket
>>3916145I'm more talking like Facebook breeders that don't post on MM or aren't bigger names likes Josh's Frogs or Tiki's Geckos
A friend of my parents gave them this two dudes of testudo hermanni, I'm planning to build an enclosure in our big garden and let them take care of themselves (we'll give em some food once in a while, but I'm planning to plant some forage plants and let them eat those by themselves and such)What I'm wondering is, how do I take care of them until they're a little bit bigger, and for how long should I do this? I'm guessing it could be too much to let them out by themselves this early
>>3916063faunaclassifieds or you just have to join some FB groups
>>3916533even adults are at risk of predation from foxes/racoons, so be careful of how you design their outdoor enclosure. in terms of hatchling/baby care, same as anything else - look up different care sheets and develop a plan from there.
>>3915983There is something endlessly hilarious to me about frogs with their natural grumpy faces having elaborate color patterns or anatomical features.
how do i get my 2 yr old crestie to go from crickets to dubias ? them acting dead all the time doesn't help.
>>3916677Feed it straight crested gecko diet for a while and it'll want any bug
Mother in law's cat bit a baby black racer, theres one particularly big wound on the lower section of its body. I soaked the fella in betadine then directly sprayed the wounds with iodine. Hes chilling a little plastic box with paper towel and some water. I know hes almost certainly going to die, but does he have a chance? Can post a picture later
any french/italians on here? Where do you buy your less common herps from?
>>3917335Always a chance, especially if you did a good job with the disinfecting. You see some pretty nasty scarring on wild snakes. The big danger with cats is infection.
Does herping exist in Russia?
>>3917353Hes a pretty little dude, I'm mostly worried the tooth would have punctured his bowel. Is that a death sentence for snakes like it would be for other animals? I'm not going to be feeding him for 2 weeks at least
>>3917354one would assume, yes
>>3917379I meant if the hobby had much presence there, if there were specialist reptile shops there
>>3917474It's pretty niche. about 73% of russian households have pets, but only about 8% of those are exotic pets, with reptiles sharing an even smaller percent of that.Russian are overwhelmingly cat people. I guess when you come from a culture known for its long periods of privation in an area known for nasty winters, a pet that is pretty independent and doesnt need to go for walks is a plus.
can anybody help ID this fella? It's in southern germany, i lived here all my life, never have i seen something come close to a real snake here
took the day to refurbish my garters' enclosure. deep clean, substrate replacement (like 80-90% since apparently if you leave some old stuff it still smells like home), added some silicone/coco coir hides I was talking about a thread or so ago, and some fake ivy up along the back to give them some extra climbing opportunities. Overall I'm really happy with it, the ivy adds a much needed splash of color, and the girls have taken to it immediately.
>>3917713the largest of the three hopped into it almost immediately. She's been (literally) climbing the walls lately so I'm happy she's got some other stuff to climb around on/in/through.
>>3917714and finally some detail on the silicone and coco coir hide.I mixed the (fully desiccated) coco coir into the silicone, then spread it over the bottom of a half gallon HDPE milk jug that cut down to about 2 inches high. Once the frame was covered, it was covered with more coco coir. it's strong as fuck, far thicker and more opaque than just silicone with the coco coir pressed on top, but still absorbs water since it's got bare coco coir on the outside. I could probably peel the inner HDPE frame out of it and it would stay just as sturdy. I made four total, one of which is just out in the open, two fully buried (so the snakes can discover little hidey holes when they dig around) and one partially buried beneath the rocks. Overall I can definitely recommend using the mixed coco coir/silicone concrete trick a try, it's a little more difficult to work with than just the straight silicone (since it's thicker and you've got to mix and then "trowel" it in place rather than just squeezing from a tube) but it's a lot hardier, and made for a nice quasi-naturalistic hide from materials I already had.
>>3917724and it appears that one of them has already discovered the hidden hides.
>>3917714What kind of garter is that anon?
>>3917737Valley garter, Thamnophis sirtalis fitchi. little over 3 months old.sorry it's not really in focus, they've been super exploratory since they got back into their redone digs, so it's been tough to get a shot where they're standing still.
>>3917779Case in point this is them about five seconds after opening the door to take that picture.
I found some tiny white millipedes in the substrate of my bioactive gecko enclosure, and I'm not sure where they came from. I used Josh's Frogs Biobedding, and some random plants from Lowe's. Are they safe to leave in there? From what I understand, millipedes generally eat decaying plant matter, so I'm not too worried, but I figured I'd better check on here, just in case. I wasn't able to get a good picture of them though.
>>3917571Grass snake. Natrix natrix or Natrix helvetica, forget which you get in Germany (might be both).Harmless natricine, fills the same kind of niche as garter snakes do in the US. Eats fish and amphibians mostly.
>>3917951millipedes are up there with isopods and springtails when it comes to beneficial critters that live in substrate. Perfectly safe.
>>3917951>I'm not sure where they came from>I used Josh's Frogs Biobedding >and some random plants from Lowe'sunless you quarantined the plants for a few months and/or washed all of the dirt away from the roots and them replanted, I've got a few ideas where they may have come from.
>>3917964>>3917969I kinda figured as much. Good to know though, thanks for the replies.
>>3917951>>3917971Millipedes are great. In vivariums for larger herps, I'm planning to put giant millipedes (4+inch) in as part of the clean up crew.
I'm starting to wonder if rackniggers are right about ball pythons. Mine has a very active enclosure with plenty of space to climb and lots of hides of varying size. Recently I put a big, flat rock in there and he is under it 99% of the time. I pretty much never see him anymore. When he's hungry he'll just stick his head out from the rock. I could take the rock away to see him more but he clearly loves it. I know the whole 'their diet is 70% birds in the wild thing' but man mine does not seem to give a shit. My boa is all over anything I put in the enclosure but this little sack of shit just gonna live under his rock. Probably would be happier in a tub.
>>3918494It's possible. He's obviously well fed and doesn't have to worry about where his next meal will come from, and maybe he just doesn't feel the need to go anywhere or do anything. People have been rackniggering for dozens of generations of balls, which selects for balls that thrive in racks, even if you don't breed for a morph or something. Is he a captive bred animal?It's also possible that the lower light and higher humidity of the hide is just more pleasant to him than whatever your light and humidity level is in the rest of the enclosure.
>>3918539Yeah he's captive bred. His enclosure just has a low intensity UVB for ambient light and I have a humidifier that keeps it between 60-80% humidity.
>>3918548Not the first anon but cool shade could be what hes enjoying
>>3917724What's your coco to silicone ratio?
>>3918553All of his other hides get him out of the light as well. The bigass rock is closer to the hot side, he has a hide directly above the heat pad (which is set to 95) but he still gets some residue heat from the rock. He never moves to cool himself.
>>3917378Just so everyone knows the little snake is still alive. If he lives and I end up with a partly disabled eastern black racer, what should I name him? I'm thinking Scooty
>>3918557Hes probably just a lazy ball python
>>3918494>When he's hungry he'll just stick his head out from the rock.My African house snakes are like that. I'm almost positive they don't move from their hide. I'm up at random hours all week and they're just in there. They also get fat off of one reasonable sized meal per week which I didn't think was possible.
>>3918555Not a clue, I eyeballed it, and experimented with the thicker/thinner mixes as I went. I think It was probably close to a 1:1 ratio volume wise? It was pretty thick in my application, close to a clay - I was actually picking it up in clumps and pressing it onto the form as I went. I think if I were to use it as a way to camouflage sealant on something like corkbark or similar in the future, for that I'd probably go for a thinner mix, or even apply the silicone, drop cocofiber on it, and then use a toothpick/appropriately sized stirring implement to blend the fiber into the silicone. either that or apply it beforehand like mortar.
>>3917733update on this one, they spent all night last night running around and exploring, as well as digging all over the place. the front of the enclosure is riddled with snake holes, and the above mentioned buried hide has been completely excavated.My smallest girl has taken her customary home beneath the water dish, and my other two are...I dont know what the fuck they're doing, but whatever it is it's a group activity.
Brand new Ball Python named Titan (as in Titanoboa)
>>3918632I hope his path to 40 feet is successful
will I get banned for asking about the discord that used to exist a few years ago? I've been gone for a long time.
>>3919013Discord is for fags
>>3919013That discord was run by wannabe jannies (and maybe one real jannie who lost their jannie privileges in the shit storm that resulted from everyone rebelling) and not people who were enthusiastic about herpticulture, aquariums, birds, horses, dogs, or cats.If you gotta get your troon on in babby-mode chat client, find a reptile channel elsewhere and don't advertise it here.
>>3919013>>3919099Meta discussion is always cancerous and detracts from the actual discussion topic. This is why /vg/ is such garbage, the threads stop being about the topic and start being the people in the thread.Discord is just a distillation of that meta discussion. Fuck it.Even the captcha knows discord is shit.
Anyone know a good brand of automatic watering system for rodents? I have 5 bins of mice and I just want something sufficient. If it comes with like 30 nozzles I won't use all of them.
Since it looks like this black racer is actually going to live, where the hell do I get food for it? Pinky mice are way beyond this fellow, maybe newborns would do? Where do I get feeder anoles or frogs in Florida? I saw some feeder anoles available online but only adults. If I have to, how do I catch some baby anoles? They're absolutely everywhere here but grabbing them isnt easy
>>3919422>Where do I get feeder anoles or frogs in Florida?Outside
>>3919430They're 2 fast 4 me
>>3919434Look up how to noose lizards
>>3919422Most tiny snegs can do cut up pinkies, and if theyre REALLY small, tails.
>>3919437How had I never heard of this?
>>3919449Do you throw the rest away or cut it up frozen?
Came back from a trip and my Blue Beauty shed. Apparently he's around 9'8. Big beautiful dickhead
>>3919520That's not a good way to measure a snake, your error bars will be +.10 to +.4 and maybe even higher.
>>3919568Yeah I just figure approximately. Unless the bar is much shorter than it should be it still puts him at at least 9' I would think. What is a good alternative?
>>3919575asking him to hold still
>>3919580He said no!
>>3919455cut it up frozen, if they're small enough that you have to do tails you can feed cut pinkies when they're a little bigger.
>>3919575If your snake won't consent to being stretched out next to a tape measure, taking a picture and then using CAD software and a reference object in the picture to scale the line you draw down his spine is probably the easiest way to get a good measurement of his total length. Reach Out Reptiles has a good video on this, and I think you can just use Google SketchUp if you're a pleb.Or you can get a clear tube that's longer than his longest possible measurement and see if he'll explore it, and them mark his nose and tail when he's inside.Anyways, if a shed can be 40% longer than a live snake, your 9 footer might be more like 6'6", so as I said, the error bars are unusably huge.Also, some species have length-girth-weight formulas you can use, so you can take his weight and his girth and get a fairly accurate length estimate after a bit of algebra.
>>3919659Oh wow. Ty anon. What makes a shed larger than the actual snakes body? Surprised I never heard this before.
>>3919575There was some sort of free in browser app a few years ago where you could post a picture of a snake and I think with some sort of reference it could measure it for you with pretty good accuracy.>>3919422My corn snake guy said he gives little guys chicken heart. I don't see why you couldn't do the same.
>>3919773It stretches as they pull it off, The more work it is to remove, the more it gets stretched.
I just found a baby king snake in my yard, what should I name him?
>>3919959>>3919962>>3919969Guys Mr. Zebra turned into a rattlesnake, is this normal?
>>3914088Because, snake scales are actually folded bits of skin. There's skin in between the scales creating one big skin. When they shed, the scales can pull apart as much as there is skin under/between the scales, and those gaps can be nearly as wide as the scales themselves.
How long does it actually take for turtles to reach sexual maturity? The ten year estimates for a female turtle online seem like bullshit to me
>>3913336I sensibly chuckled anon. Also the answer is Displayport
>>3920608Varies greatly by species. What species?Also sometimes it's a bodyweight cut-off, not an age thing.
I live in Phoenix, Arizona. I walked into my bathroom, and found this waiting for me in the bottom of my bathtub. I think it was some sort of baby rattlesnake, but my friend said it was definitely not a snake, and that it looked like a worm. Is there anyone who can confirm what species this is? It was maybe 6 inches long, and pencil thin. It was super aggressive, tried biting me about 50 times, and seemed to be trying to rattle its tale but didn't make any noise. I don't like needlessly killing wild animals, so I released it outside, and I now think that I probably did it too close to my house (I only went across the street to release it). Should I have killed it for my own safety, or have risked getting bitten by releasing it further away from my house?
>>3920647Spiny softshell and musk turtlesI'd like to breed mine in the future but ten years is a really long ass time to wait
>>3920649That doesn't look like a rattlesnake.
>>3920672What does it look like then? Any ideas?
>>3920649That's not a rattle snake. Many snakes will do the tail shake to make scary sounds. Usually works in leaf litter.
>>3920676>>3920649It's probably a coach whip. They are completely harmless.
>>3920652I don't know about musk turtles, but a decade sounds about right for a spiny softshell. If you wanted to powerfeed, you could probably get them breeding younger, but that'll shorten their lives significantly and I don't recommend it.
>>3920652You could also jumpstart your project by adopting some adult turtles at the same time you buy the babies you want to raise up.
>>3920677fun fact, the tail shakey predates rattlesnakes. Rattlers just evolved a way to be the best at it.
>>3920692I already have a pair of softshell babies, and the musk turtles are just hypothetical. But yeah I think adopting a rescue or unwanted turtles would be my best bet. I wonder if there;s some kind of reptile adoption thing you can sign up forOf course this would be years down the line when I have my own place
>biggest of my three garter sisters has been completely uninterested in food over the past three feedings/six days>seems extra exploratory/diggy lately>at the end of my wits, ask the normiebook group for advice>breeder I got them from is like "yeah may be looking to brumate>FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK>now I have to soft-refrigerate ONE of my three snakes and hope she doesnt fucking die I guess, or wait for her to maybe starve to death because the fucking NUMBER ON THE CALENDAR CHANGED AND NOTHING ELSE.I've had these animals for a fucking MONTH I am not ready for this shit. I wasn't even planning on brumating them AT ALL if I could get away with it, at least not while they're still babies.Someone try to convince me this is a bad idea, or give me ideas on how to get her to eat.
>>3920752whats wrong with brumating and why do you have to do anything
Got a cage big enough and deep enough for my juvenile Kingsnake to properly put enough substrate that he can burrow. At about what temp should I set the thermostat to shut the UTH off at so he doesn’t burn himself down there?
>>3920752You don't HAVE to brumate. Probably not smart for a baby. Garters are not like rubber boas where they have to brumate before they ever eat.
>>3920964I don't like UTH for burrowing species, they burrow deeper instinctively when they are too warm and sometimes don't realize that they are making it worse for them, which can kill them rapidly if you have an equipment failure. Can you put your heat panel on the side of the tank?
>>3920934I've been keeping reptiles for all of a month and am not confident in my abilities as a keeper to do it right. I also feel bad for taking a social snake and sticking alone in a cold box and just gamble on her not dying in three or four months.>>3921050I know, and I was planning on not doing so, but one of them has completely gone off of food and has spent pretty much all of her time trying to escape the enclosure, and I have no idea how to shut this "i need to find somewhere vool to shut down" behavior off and get her eating again, or if I even can, and every day she's not eating burning stored calories feels like a day I'm fucking something up.
>>3912434Saved thicc boi from neighbors patio.
>>3921211agkistrodon are cute
>>3921214I'm always surprised how relaxed they are.
>>3921097Snakes can go a very long time without eating and be just fine. I really wouldn't worry about it too much.
what morph is it?
>>3921231chocolate chip lilac tail. possibly het for marshmallow.
>>3921240what the fuck
>>3920608They can live like 60 years
>>3920649Your friend had brain damage
I had the BEL bp hatchling for 8 weeks now and I wasn’t able to get her to eat. Today after about a week and a half from the last feeding attempt I got her a new live hopper and she immediately hunted it and ate it, but still went about exploring her enclosure more. Is she still hungry? I was thinking about waiting 5 days to offer her another.
>>3921227Yeah but Im dealing with a snake that has to eat every other day, not like 7-10. I mean, if her biology is telling her to brumate and the alternative is she starves to death looking for a hibernaculum that doesnt exist, I'm chucking her ass into the fridge. I'd just rather not.
>>3921295I know boas better than garters but a cursory google search from a breeder said its unsafe to brumate youngins. You do what you feel best anon Im just trying to help the snakes. Colubrids can still go 2-3 months without eating despite their fast metabolisms.
>>3921054I think so. There’s a plastic divider on the glass, but I’m not sure if that’s an issue or not. I’ve also noticed when he burrows, he likes to press against the side glass so I’m not sure if that’s a deal breaker
>>3921367That's my issue - I'd like to keep her out of I can, but if she's trying to brumate on her own, do I even have a choice? And is she even that young? Born at end of may, so she'd be the age of a snake born in the wild at the beginning of the season, but I dont know if "you're probably not going to make it through your first winter" is part of the whole deal with natricines shitting out loads of young.
>>3921371I like a CHE to get the air temp up where you want it and then a halogen on the basking spot to get that a little higher. A nice heavy dark stone to soak up some of the infrared would be nice too. I appreciate the hide but it might be a bit too tall for him, they like to be squished a bit. maybe cut it in half horizontally.and get your man some decorations, jesus. Even auschwitz had a swimming pool.
>>3921410it definitely is, but I'd give her a couple weeks before worrying about it. If you can get frozen frog legs, give those a shot (for scenting or cutting up, since she's too small for bullfrog legs at the moment)
>>3921452Somewhere I researched suggested nightcrawlers for autumnal problem feeders (which were itself a whole fucking ordeal to acquire, about 80% of the containers I checked were not only dead but putrifying, and this is across multiple stores in my area), which I tried last night but still no dice. I'll keep going, though I think my second to largest may be starting the same behavior.
>>3921231Normal. That is fewer spots on the back that usual with a wild type so there might be something else in the mix there. Hard to say.
I'm probably a long, long way from this ever being relevant but I got to thinking. In the case that my ball python ever has to be euthanized, what's the most humane way to do so? I have a 22LR pistol but I'm not sure what other options there are for reptile euthanasia. Is there something like clove oil for fish?
>>3921929>what's the most humane way to do so?hammer to the head. this is not a joke.
>>3921929Swiftly destroy the entire skull.>>3922072This works. If you have access to any sort of machine press that's even better.
>>3921265She’s still exploring a bit (not trying to escape through the top) and she has her head poked out. I have a UTH with the thermostat set to 105 degrees but with my infrared thermometer I’m getting 90-92 on the surface (probe is inside tank taped to bottom under where she’s at). I haven’t been handling her either, but I still feel like she’s not liking her enclosure.
>>3922137What gives you that impression?Also give us a larger pic of the enclosure itself. What are you using for substrate? How's the humidity?
>>3922192Exoterra coco husk and with the lid on it reads 77% and with lid off it reads 65%. I’m just worried as it took her 8 weeks to eat and also after i got her from the breeder he said he had fed her the day prior and it took her 3 weeks to poop. The UTH is an 8x12 it covers about half of the bottom
>>3922213That looks fine. You can tape construction paper to the back and sides to make it more secure feeling. She may be a little put off by transparent walls on all four sides. However, occasionally out exploring and poker her head out from her hide is pretty normal BP behaviour. They are shy and lazy most of the time.
This lazy fuck always sits here at night, how do I get him to pay rent?
Is there a specific time of the year when breeders have babies and therefore there are plenty of them in expos?
>>3923057Most reptiles breed in the spring so the babies should be available in the summer
>>3923057It's also worthwhile to check right now to see if there are unsold hatchlings from last spring. Sometimes there are sales.
>>3923537every time I see these little fucks I think it could be cool to have a frog as a pet, but then the reality of "blob on a stick you throw bugs into and can't really touch if you want it to be healthy, and may autistically screech at you because it wants to fuck" doesnt sound as appealing>double gaythe captcha seems inclined to agree
>>3923766>and may autistically screech at you because it wants to fuckMy spirit animal
>>3918678Do not touch
>>3923766Get a tiger salamander.
>>3922600He already is, by helping her rid of the bugs your light attracts.
>>3923766>and can't really touch if you want it to be healthyThat's a meme. As long as you aren't slathering dish soap and hand sanitizer on your hands right before touching the frog nothing will happen to it. They're really not as fragile as one would think.Also there are plenty of active frogs that don't just sit there all day, like african clawed frog, african dwarf frogs, fire belly toads, dart frogs, pixie frogs, and even lithobates that you can just catch outside
>>3924600>pixie frogs>frogs that don't just sit there all day
>>3924654The problem with pixie frogs is that people assume they are exactly like pacman frogs and will just stick them in a dirt container with a bowl of water, only to wonder why they just sit there all day. They are actually very aquatic like our american bullfrogs and require a large water area of water for them to swim around in
Reptile show this weekend lads.
>>3924700Which one? You going?
Boyfriend wants us to get a snake, but he doesn't seem to mind what kind he mostly cares about looks. Where is a good place for me to start looking into snakes, to ensure we get it right first time. I haven't looked into them much so want to be responsible, though I went through a phase of being interested in snake genetics when I was in University I'm completely new to ownership.I'm in Australia too if that matters, we can't have foreign species here so Australian specific resources would be nice.
>>3922547Hello you STINKY LIZARD
>>3925230Your boyfriend sounds like he'd be a terrible pet owner.He wants the snake, he does the research and he gets the correct one.
>>3925250I'm not saying he isn't going to do researchJust I wanted to do my own research too cause I'll be part of caring for the snake (we live together)But he's going into it very 'I don't mind really' which means I don't have much to go on.
>>3925251Woma pythons maybe?
>>3925251>>3925323Anteresia are pretty cute too.
>>3925323Womas have been suggested to me while I've been searching, as well as Children's PythonsOn a personal level I really like Green Tree Pythons, I've always loved green snakes, my Dad used to tell me stories of Green Mambas because he spent a lot of time in Africa when he was a kid, and most of his scariest encounters were accidentally running into Green MambasHe also had a green tree python but only before I was born and when I was very very young and I can't rememberBut I hear they might not be best for a first time snake owner, so I don't want to go out of my depth and end up being a bad owner.
>>3925343While I don't have much personal experience with them, I hear green tree pythons can get cranky, and that you dont so much have a snake as you have pic related sitting on a stick that you occasionally put rodents into.That said, their teeth are pretty fucking crazy, so that could just be a positive feedback loop of people being scared of getting tagged so they dont deal with the snake as much so the snake isnt used to people and gets defensive so the people are scared of the snake.
>>3925388Yeah I mean, from my perspective I'd rather an ornamental snake (like you don't handle the fish in your aquarium) but I'll have to see if that's what my boyfriend wants tooIf I wanted a reptile to handle I'd get a gecko, always loved geckos.
>>3925398>xir doesn't pet xirs fishNgmi
>>3920752Brumating isn't too hard, but I've had success with breaking brumation with higher temps (don't let them get under 75-80F), AND a 12/12 light cycle. The light cycle is required here, or the temps aren't enough. And I've only done this on 2 snakes, so ymmv.>>3921097They're perfectly fine on their own. I prefer to keep my garters singly, they eat better without too many cage mates, no worries of fighting over food, and keeping them together has made zero impact on their disposition in my experience.>>3921227I'm not sure your experience with baby garters, but they can't go that long without food. They will starve within a month or two. Older juveniles may be able to go longer, and adults could probably go up to 4-6 months if they had good weight.>>3921295They don't "have" to eat every other day. All of my baby garters get fed once a week, and my adults can go as little every 14 days. My garters begin to refuse food if fed rodents or whole fish twice a week, and get a lot chunkier. I don't think more than once a week is necessary unless feeding just worms, chicken hearts, or fish filet by itself and nothing else. Pic related are couple of my yearling females from WC parents. Unfortunately, the two CB litters from WC parents are pretty picky eaters. They often skip meals, and don't eat as much food in one sitting vs my CBB trio.>>3921457Worms and f/t silversides I'd have luck with getting my WC adults to take during the cold season.
>>3925515Vs the smaller CBB female, she doesn't eat as much in one sitting as the bigger female, but she typically doesn't skip meals, either. I think this trio is also a few months older than the garters born in house.
Do african fat tail geckos have identical husbandry to leos?
>>3925539Do they like it more or less humid? Any differences in diet?
>>3925544I am only trying to generate more discussion. There is no need to be rude.
>>3925548>generate more discussion on a never ending general
>>3925518>>3925515Much to my relief all three of my girls ate last night. Ive been keeping them on a 12 hour photoperiod since Ive kept them, but I did up the temps a little to get them uo to 82-86 air temp, 92 on the rocks. Feeding tilapia and chicken hearts with a light dusting of repti-vite every third or fourth feeding. I've also started cutting the pieces slightly larger (as my girls are growing pretty quickly), as well as preparing less feed more often to keep it as fresh as possible (I think my prior batch had some freezer burn).Pic related, my reticent feeder stretched out on the rocks last night warming up after her meal.
>>3925548>am only trying to generate more discussion.That's kinda retarded and/or autistic
>>3925578That's probably much too warm overall, if you offer a hot spot I'd try not to let it get over 80F so they don't overheat. But congrats on them eating! Garters are just really finicky, at this point I just kinda assume it's a given some snakes will skip meals here or there. I get better feeding nowadays by sticking all of my shy feeders in their own tubs overnight to eat at their leisure, and those tubs might just end up their permanent cages at this point.
>>3925684>if you offer a hot spot I'd try not to let it get over 80FEvery care sheet I've seen says 85-90 for the basking area, and 75-85 ambient.
>>3925709That's almost sand boa tier, easily 10 degrees higher than what wild garters are living and hunting in.
>>3925709Around 90 is probably fine for the basking area, but having the rest of the cage as high as 86F on top of it is not leaving them much room to cool off. I'd keep ambients 80F or below with a hot spot, myself. Most keepers/breeders say hot spots over 85F is too hot, but it does depend on the species I suppose. I offered a 90F basking area to my checkered during the day, no heat at night. My current garters are kept completely at room temp, 75-80F, no extra heat at all. But I've got Plains from cold climates, and they don't do as well with those higher temps.
help me /herp/ i fell in love
>>3925747>tfw my females are still too small to breed this coming spring2023 though, that's when we go babymode.
>tfw finding a black pine snake breeder in my state is impossible
>>3925768Be the change you want to see, anonchama.
I have a 52'' wide x42'' long x11'' deep enclosure. What lizard/lizards do i put in it?
>>3925736AH, see, now I see where the confusion is. Air temp is only 85 on the hot end. It's mid-70's on the cool side. Air and ground temps both 75-76.
>>3925811Variety of snakes. Skink maybe.
I just got a leopard gecko Sunday. He's been pretty active, but today he won't come out of hiding. I was afraid he was impacted, but he did poop when I was away. It seemed a little dry though, so I'm worried about constipation. Any tips? I'm good with animals but I'm new to leopard geckos.
>>3925851You're fine. He's getting used to his environment. Leave him alone
>>3925854Yeah he needs time. He loves a new log hide I got. I ordered the Zilla cave for his moist hide.
>>3925851That is standard new home behaviour.Day 1: spend some hours exploring EVERYTHINGDay 2-14+: be shy when the lights are onMy first leo would wait until all lights were off before he would venture out. He did this for about a month. After that he was very outgoing and did not care about lights or me moving around at all.
>>3925861This one? It's great. For the moist hide use sphagnum moss. It lasts 3+ months before you need to change it
>>3925864That pretty much sums up his behavior. I'll give him more time.>>3925867I was choosing between that one, and pic rel. I ended up with this one, but that one has a cool design. I got the brands mixed up. If that one has any particular advantage I could change my order.
>>3925501not a tranny
is it wise for a first time snake owner to establish their own terrarium, or should i get a 'kit' or the likesand if it is fine, should i go for an actual live terrarium with plants and microorganisms in the bottom or just use fake stuffdont wanna fuck it up and then have the snake die the moment i put him in it but i really dont know the level of knowledge and experience necessary to keep even easier 'entry level' species of snake
>>3926174It's really not as complicated as people make it seem. Just get potting soil without fertilizer, mix it with a bit of sand, and throw some dead leaves from outside for the microorganisms. Collect some isopods too while you're at it. For plants just go to a nursery and buy pothos, it's literally impossible to kill. That's what I did and it saved me a ton of money, and my frogs (which are more sensitive than snakes) were fine.
Could science one day turn king cobras into pit vipers?
>>3926199>and throw some dead leaves from outside for the microorganisms.That's actually pretty inadvisable, especially for snakes. Snake fungal disease is no joke.In fact, if you collect ANYTHING from outside for your enclosure I'd recommend at least a 15 minute soak in a 10% bleach solution.>meridian.allenpress.com/jwd/article/52/3/759/194124/Evaluation-of-Common-Disinfectants-Effective
I'm not sure if anyone will remember but I posted here a little while back.Basically where I live has a swamp in the backyard. About a year ago, construction started on paving right outside my door. I took in a spotted salamander that was living under a rock that would have gotten paved over. Construction took way longer than expected and I had it in a tank inside for about 6 months or so, I know, I should have just put in the swamp but I didn't know any better, I was dumb and excited about studying this thing. So anyway about 6 months ago I released it to the swamp, it seemed to be excited to go as soon as I walked it over there. Now about 2 months ago it comes back. The spot it was originally is paved over now but it's as close it can get. About 2 feet from my door and probably a good 20 yards from the swamp. I put a little reptile pond thingy out there I refill with rainwater regularly, and I toss the big one worms when I find it, it seems to remember me but it also clearly eats well on it's own. It was kind of young when I took it in and grew about an inch. from about 3in to 4 in. Now it's even bigger, probably about 5 inches long. Last week I found a baby living under a rock a few feet away. bout 1.5 in. Today I found another baby, not well hidden enough. Are they possibly following the mother? Will they survive winter outside of the swamp? How can I best keep them safe from the contracted lawnmower/weedwacker dude that comes by at random, should I put up a little sign or is that stupid? Should I try to bring them all back over to the swamp again?
>>3912965What if the goverments of those ilsands made expoeting them extremly difucult
>>3913035I need to get a fuckton to release in my greenhouse
>>3913723Rosy in habitat
>>3920027Were you have getula you have oreagonus
>>3920649Its a coachwhip they eat rodets birds lizards and snakes includeing ratlers it will bite the fuck out of you but it cant hurt you heres an adult
>>392096485 is fine
>>3926295Why not? They could be very effective with viper fangs and heat sensing pits.
>>3925515The point is to slow the metabolism cold temps required 65>
>>3926556By definition, it wouldn't be a kind cobra if it was a pit viper.
>>3926559It would still be big and powerful and stand up and hood. It would look and act like a king cobra in every way, except it would have viper folding fangs and heat pits to see in the dark.
>>3926556king cobras are elapids and pit vipers are crotalids, they're so far apart relationally that it's like asking if you could turn a gorilla into a tarsier so they can see better at night.
>>3926556They are snake eaters. Heat sensing pits wouldn't help them eat snakes.
Do your monitor lizards let you hold/grab/pull their tongues?
>>3926890Try it and tell us how it goes.
>>3926890Absolutely not, although they do lick me often.
>>3926916>this is comfortable
>all three of my girls eating enthusiastically todayIt's a good feel, lads. It's a good feel indeed.
>>3926932Super cool. In other news, store near me got in this uber cute babbby albino checkered garter.
>>3926939And like a complete moh-rawn, I forget to attach the image.
>>3926916>lizurd liek lamp
>>3926928>>3926942She pooped out six unfertilized eggs on the same day Chris Chan was arrested.
>>3926949My garg laid a pair of slugs last week. I figured that was coming as she stopped eating for about three weeks. Whether fertilized eggs or not it's the same routine with her. No eating during final stage of egg production apparently.
>>3926940The periscoping is so fucking cute I cant stand it.
I'm contemplating getting a leopard gecko. I never had any reptiles so I want something that is really easy to handle in the beginning. Are there any other geckos/lizards you recommend? Leopard geckos seem to be the go to species for starters. Also they are cute.
>>3927225Crested geckos and leopard geckos are about even in the best beginner lizard war. Cresties are easier to feed (no/occasional live feeders as opposed to mandatory live feeders) and generally don't need supplemental heating, but also require regular misting/worrying about humidity and will die if their enclosure gets above 80f for too long. Gargoyles are similar but a little more heat tolerant which helps alleviate that issue but are also significantly more expensive than cresties/leos unless you're getting some morphnigger abomination. Snakes are easier than lizards. I just don't like them, though.
>>3927225African fat tails are another good option, but you can't go wrong with leopard geckos.
What do you guys think of non-rectangular enclosures for snakes? Want to make my own enclosure for a new snake that will fit into the corne of my room, making it vaguely triangular in shapeHeres my retarded paint mockup
>>3927278I read that crested geckos tend to lose their tail for some reason. Also I read conflicting information about that on the internet. Is keeping two geckos in one enclosure (2 females for example, I don't want babies) possible or nah? Some say yes, some say no, some say maybe. I don't plan on getting some crazy morph. The regular yellow one with spots looks kinda nice. >>3927313Fat tails look interesting too.
>>3927365Sounds dope. Do it.
>>3927378Chinese cave gekos if you can find them
>>3927381Can't think of any issues I might have overlooked?>
>>3927387Not exactly a lot of info to go on... But just keep in mind how you'll do the door, mount lighting/heat etc.
uros are cute
>>3927389I'mm happy with all that being worked out, I'll be amking sure it's all sturdy and fine way before habitating itI'm more worried about heat gradients or accidentally causing cold spots
>>3927387Hard to say without info about the kind of snake and general size of the enclosure, but the void in the back end may nice for cable management.
>>3912434New thread here >>3927401
>>3927398>m more worried about heat gradients or accidentally causing cold spotsHeat transfer is complicated as fuck. I would just make sure your heat source is adequate for the volume you're talking about and not worry about perfect ultra uniformity
>>3927378Cohabbing leopard geckos is highly indvisable.
>>3926558If you're going to brumate, 65F is way too warm to slow metabolism down enough to avoid weight loss. Maximum you ever want to go is 60F, but honestly 45-55F is probably better, especially for certain localities/species.