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The last thread got bumped off.All things spec evo are welcome here.Illustration by Alexander Ostrowski.
>>3416459Daily reminder that Sheather888 (Serina, Sheatheria) had a spec creature in his old project that was entirely homosexual, and planned to make a bunch of other faggot/Tranny creatures.
>>3416459>>3416489OMG IS IT...... IT CANT BE RIGHT??!?!??!? ITS.... IT IS Po- AAAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>3417103source? this actually looks like an alien creature done right.
>>3417127It's an alien race i commissioned Sheather to make for a project where a branch of SETI goes out exploring the cosmos and has already made contact with some sapient lifeforms.
Dunno if anyone’s posted about this yet, but there’s a pretty cool TetZoo post up showcasing Dixon’s After Man Pitch Document. Apparently he’s thinking of releasing a scrapbook volume about it and an English translation of Greenworld too (possibly with the help of crowdfunding). http://tetzoo.com/blog/2020/6/29/dougal-dixon-after-man-initial-pitch-document
>>3416459Shitty drawfag here. Taking some requests.Share your ideas.
>>3417502Chest Mimic but it's a hydrozoan, maybe best shown off in a life cycle illustration.
>>3417502A carnivorous ungulate hunting an herbivorous felid.
>>3417502a sea ape
>>3417525Pretty good job, thanks m8!
>>3417502Requesting a small and lowly horned lizard that eventually ends up growing and diversifying into true Dragons during the Eocene, in the moment of getting snatched up by an Ornitholestes during the Jurrasic period.
>>3417502a land octopus
>>3416459That's not "speculative evolution", that's just Monster Hunter
>>3417218LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOO
>>3417965Monster hunter is speculative evolution, dumby.
>Species is entirely male>Reproduces with females of closely related species
>>3416814https://sites.google.com/site/worldofserina/the-ultimocene-250-million-years/the-nest-goblinhttp://s1.zetaboards.com/Conceptual_Evolution/topic/5694942/1/>A Chinese cave with very strange inhabitantshttp://s1.zetaboards.com/Conceptual_Evolution/topic/8050626/1/ >An Antarctic island home to strange lovecraftian creatures http://s1.zetaboards.com/Conceptual_Evolution/topic/8300812/1/>The Seychelles are a collection of miraculous islands, carrying a precious cargo of life from vanished world. But what if the Granitic Seychelles were merely the mountain peaks of a much larger island? What strange life might call such an island home?https://www.deviantart.com/biofauna25/gallery/39451145/Epimethius >Several hundred lightyears from Earth, the planet Epimethius is remarkably similar in its composition, but it is larger, has greater weather extremes, is subject to frequent solar radiation storms, and full of bizarre life forms. The seas are filled with strange darting rods and terrifying leviathans, lumbering pod-like beasts and creeping monsters stalk the land, while the skies are ruled by eerie drifters and majestic dragons. There are living mountains, musical sirens, fire-breathing demons, glowing forests, monstrous serpents, and many more wonders not of our planet.https://www.deviantart.com/biofauna25/gallery/43433793/odin>A strange planet filled with stranger creatures with even stranger life cycleshttps://specevo.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=580>Nuclear War Happens, the only terrestrial vertebrate survivor? The Horsfield’s tortoise
I love these threads, they give me inspiration
>>3417502Could you do either a monkey-Cat or quetzalcaotlus-like bat please?
>>3418707Very cool, thanks!
Whats your favorite specevo creature that either yourself or someone else has come up with anons?
>>3418966Hmm, a tough one, but i gotta say... my Jersey Devil Sheather did for me.
>>3419379neat little dude, i like him anon
>>3418841Nice. Is this a 'big cats die out and domestic cats evolve to fill the niche' type of deal?
>>3418835this terrifies me
>>3419838i'd assume so, i remember the artist saying he took inspiration from scottish wildcats
>African bear What animal would you take from one climate/biome and adapt for another? for me it would be an arctic gorilla
>>3417502Neocene is always opened for new illustrations and artists. We have lots of descriptions without illustrations. What do you prefer? Vertebrates, invertebrates, plants, fungi?
>>3420022Monkey but adapted to living in the plains.I wonder how that would work.
>>3420327develop bipedalism or full quadruped mode perhaps?
>>3420308Not Drawfag Anon, but give me some random vert
>>3420022It’s there a subspecies of brown bear that lives in North Africa? The Atlas Bear I think
>>3420327Don’t baboons occupy that niche? Or are you talking about monkeys that don’t need to go into trees?
>>3420492Yeah, but they got BTFO by H*mans and went extinct over a century ago
Anyone (possibly some patrons) care to share the realistic Charizard and Blastoise Sheather did?
Unpopular opinion: sheather is really overrated and too many people treat him like a god
>>3421203>>3421205>A FUCKING SHRIMP
>>3421010Maybe, but he draws very good, and sometimes I feel something like an envy when watch his pictures.
>>3421203>canon artificial pokemons>lol whatever just animals that slightly resemble themFuck off Arvalis
>>3421203>>3421205reminder he got a job working on the live action pokemon movie because they googled realistic pokemon and his art showed up
>>3421582Wait, they are?
>>3416489How did it procreate? I am assuming that the creature had 2 different sexes at the minimum, and not some sort of hermaphrodite or asexual reproducer.
>>3418842That-s just an artsyfartsy pangolin.
>>3420327That'd be a baboon.
>>3422012The crabs and armadillos in the first image areOr at least, they aren't really biological lifeforms
>>3422314https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/conceptual_evolution/member-project-the-original-sheatheria-thread-t9013-s380.htmlHe (of course) took it down after a while, this and the comments are the only thing i could find of its existence, sadly.He was propably ashamed of it lmao
>>3421203I like the zapdos and raichu, everything else is pig disgusting
Hey guys how would cheetahs adapt to cooler climates?
>>3416463Looks like Tiberium-infected flora
>>3421205Vargheists and Varghulfs?
anyone know that one spec evo mockumentary? it was about some blue planet (near a gas giant?) and had floating-gas-ball creatures, kilometer tall, interlinked trees, and gliding animals hunting the gas ballls.forgot the name, help
>>3420327Weve seen that episode twice already
>>3417502Mammals evolve to have the typical "raptor stance" as their standard.Optional: a quadruped T-Rex to juxtapose it
>>3417502Obligate carnivore Australopithecus
will animals ever become big again? a lot of art seems to show it but i don't know how likely that is considering it was related to there being more oxygen around iirc
Right, I have thought of a Sapient Humanoid distantly descended from primitive hybrids between ancestral Litopterns and Notoungulates. They have long necks, floppy prorhiscises, large incisors and forward-facing eyes with a keratinous horn on top of the heads in males. They have two opposable digits between their middle hoof-fingers on each hand and three hooves on each foot and stripey limbs.
>>3416459 Sorry to post here but there aren’t any relevant dino boards. What color do you think t-rex was? Do you think they had sexual dimorphism?
>>3424529>Elephants>Hippos>Rhinoceros>Moose>Bison>Musk ox>Giraffes>WalrusesAnon, I...
>>3424566yeah but they used to be way bigger i meanmaybe what i'm referring to is exclusive to insects but dragonflies, centipedes etc used to be fucking huge
>>3424096Natgeo's alien planet?
>>3424614Nah it was Extraterrestrial: Blue Moon.
>>3422321Me in the folds
When will homo machina become the norm from genetic engineering paired with bionics?
>>3424713Did you say bionocle? Ha i love bionocle :-D ive seen them all from that mata nui man :-) whats your guys favourite bionicle haha? ;-D
>>3424403I thought snow leopards were big cats?
>>3417730>>3417941>>3418837>>3420308>>3424098>>3424456Aight. Just gimme some time...
>>3416459>>3416463I live those
Sponges but they converged to fill in the same niche as Man O Wars.A large mobile colony of protists floating on the surface of the ocean, perhaps even getting energy from symbiotic phytoplankton
Gotta love the Kosemen vibes Jakub's art gives off, so good~
>>3426912i'd hit that
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>>3418588That literally defies the biological concept of what a species is but okay tripfag.
>>3424529If you mean dinosaurs, their size had nothing to do with oxygen levels, their bodies were simply better pre-adapted for large sizes in terrestrial environments than mammals are, such as having pneumatized bones that helped cut down on weight.>>3424573Arthropods becoming large was related to oxygen levels, however. Their breathing system is less efficent than vertebrate's so they need high oxygen levels in order to be able to survive at large sizes.That said the size of Carboniferus arthropods is severely overstated by pop culture. Yes, Meganeura was massive for a dragonfly, but it was still only about as big as a hawk. Those "giant bugs" would still be dwarfed by even modestly-sized modern animals. The arthropod bodyplan is just not well suited to large sizes at all, and those issues extend far beyond breathing difficulties.
How do I make up fictional creatures that arent just obvious chimeras of real animals with exotic colors schemes but still keeping them somewhat relatable(having eyes, mouth, limbs, tail, etc)Pic related is a good example, sure you could say it's some kind of rabbit/dinosaur/rhino mix but it's ambiguous enough to the point it feels like its own unique thing.
Bib dropped a new part of his Alien Biospheres serieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr267dUraoM>Next adaptations are going to focus on Desert and Arctic environmentsThe adaptations from the Squids and Spiders to both should be...interesting (He says, having no recollection of whether Temperature affects needs based on the Square-Cube Law)
>>3426912>homo>with a gorilla/baboon hybrid faceNah, that shit is a hominin, but definitely not within Homo anymore.
>>3428026That's a werewolf
>>3428012This is a superb series, so well researched and skillfully produced. However, the creature designs are kind of mundane. Every organism parallels some existing creature on earth, and there are very few unique niches or novel adaptations. I understand the limations of simple 3D models, but everything on this planet is a copy-paste of stuff on earth except with blobby spider monsters. As a primer for explaining the mechisims driving convergent evolution and the universal laws constraining evolutionary adaptation, the series is excellent. But as a creative project it's a little lacking. I'm not sure whether the author's intent was the former or the latter. It feels more like a tutorial for speculative evolution rather than an actual world building endeavor.That being said, it is certainly one of the most rigourous spec bio projects out there, and I can't wait for the next video.
>>3418588>>3427692>how are mules made
>>3428025Look at him slither.
A comm from Jakub today of my Nessie, as a scary giant ass eel.
>>3422321God I love that book
>>3418835Wow FUCK that
>>3417502Land Anomalocaris, feel free to get weird with it since I'm not sure if it would end up with legs or just kind of... slither around.
>>3431172i really like this one, great job dude
>>3431172whats your twitter/da/etc handle?
>>3417502Shiny crystal mimic bug that lives in caves
>>3425339Dunno if you're still taking requests, but could you so a Lizardman as a sapient thecodont?
>>3419838I mean, that's probably how it's gonna go. The current large felids may be on their way out, but felids in general have adapted to just about every climate on the planet sans the extreme Arctic regions. I don't think the family/class/order/whatever is going anywhere anytime soon.
Alien Biospheres Part 7https://youtu.be/Fr267dUraoM
>>3432370the designs themselves are very meh, but it works well enough to get a point across (gateway drug) i just wouldnt call it a truly serious spec evo setting
>>3431172really cool. sea m o n k e is best m o n k e.
>>3424565Something boring probably.
>>3431172>>3428025>>3418707>>3418570>>3417525thank you, drawfag anon, for giving life to this thread. your service is truly appreciated.
>>3416489So what? Nature isn't exclusively straight animals getting paired for life before the eyes of God. Clownfish change sex to fuck their sons. There are all female whiptail lizards which engage in mating bahaviour with each other before producing eggs. There are ants where males reproduce clonally. Stop letting tumblr live in your head rent free.
>>3433184At this point, only a retard would not realize that this is just an excuse for "lgbtwtf representation".
Has their been any serious attempt to model a hypothetical ecosystem on a gas giant planet? Not just Sagan's floaters and sinkers but an actual interconnected ecosystem with a food chain and everything.I've been brainstorming ideas about a Neptune sized planet in an F-class star's habitable zone (approximately the distance of mars). The low mass is crucial because the weather would be less violent in the temperate layer of the atmosphere. The key factor of the ecosystem is the layer of thermophile decompose organisms that inhabit the lowest, hottest layer of the "life zone" that consume any organism that dies and falls down through the atmosphere, with the Terran analogy being worms in the soil eating dead and decaying matter.The atmosphere would contain an "aerial ocean" of water vapor with the volume of approximately 100x Earth's oceans, flying organisms ingest water through their lungs instead of drinking it. In addition to eye-like organs for sight, they have extremely sophisticated echolocation organs so that they can fly and navigate at night and avoid storms. More than just simple sound emitting devices, the organs would be true biological radars that emit actual radio waves, and predatory fliers would have their radar tuned to track prey .
>>3433531Thanks for explaining so i didnt have to type this
What's the limit if any to the types of animals you can come up with?Are spa-like cats possible? What about giant mantis?
>>3433901Gas giants generally don't contain much of any organic matter. It gets crushed and pulverized as it sinks deeper into the mantle.
>>3434161>What about giant mantisI really want to believe in big bugs but trash told me it's impossible at this gravity and oxygen concentration.
>>3433901Cool shit, but i hope you kept in consideration >>3434504Also got some sketches?
>>3433901F class stars don't live very long. Their main sequence phase is only 3 billion years as opposed to 10 billion years in G class stars like our sun.It took 2.5 billion years just for multicellular life to take off on Earth.
>>3434918the existence of the francevillian biota shows that multicellular life could conceivably evolve within such timescales, a planet could conceivably also gain a longer lifespan than its star through being dislodged and absorbed into another star system which came to close, although using odds like that you end up getting a scenario where you might as well say that aliens or the divine did it because that would probably be more believable
>>3434918Star's lifespans shrink as mass increases. Red dwarves are calculated to live for hundreds of trillions of years because they can have 1/10 our sun's mass.Unfortunately, red dwarves stars tend to be more irritable with their flare activity and can fry any planet in the habitable zone.
I like that sharks are apparently so perfect for what they do that the basic shark design hasn't changed at all for millions of years.They've changed in size, but everything else has more or less went untouched. It wouldn't surpize me if we found shark-like things elsewhere in the future, where evolution has more or less reached the same conclusion as earth. Kinda like dingos. They were seperated from every other canid species on the planet as they evolved, but nature more or less said that certain designs just make sense, so they ended up looking more or less like every other dog
>>3420327Dougal Dixon's already done it.
>>3424565if they're ambush predators something dark and forest, browns and greens, black mottling, stripes or spots. perhaps a flash of colour somewhere non-obvious to the things they're hiding from, maybe low on the belly or the end of the tail or, hell, inside the mouth. something they can show off to a mate but hide from an animal they are trying to ambush.
>>3418588that's not how species work, but flanged pongos and unflanged ones do this if this is what you meant. having males with vastly different reproductive strategies
seems like an appropriate place to ask, have any of you guys got that comic about an alternate earth where there's species mutualism and gorgonopsids and it's just someone writing sexy fanfics about their professor or something? i've been sporadically trying to find it for ages but i must be too retarded to figure out the right combination of words to google.
>>3437042Ah yes, I remember that.
>>3417502>>3417525>>3418570>>3418707>>3428025>>3431172Thank you, based drawfag, you're a really good artist.
>>3424098This one was fun.>>3432013Hypomartyria on instagram, but I rarely post my drawings.
>>3438309Sick thanks dude>>3438530post more then bitch
>>3438530could you do a hominid thats convergently evolved deer-features?
how do i 'theme' the wildlife for my islands? what kind of animals should i put on them
>>3420327>Monkey but adapted to live in the plains
Another artfag here. I'm bored, if you have an idea lmk and I'll sketch it out.
>>3439215Life made out of nanomachines
>>3439218Lol I don't want to be picky, but I don't like drawing mechanical stuff. Give me organic animals please.As a consolation, here is Kosemen's takes on machine life.
>>3439221What about this thing
>>3439215Whale evolved for life back on land
>>3439225that's actually really cool
>>3439230Here you go. The dolphin snake is an ambush predator inhabiting a chain of marshy low-lying islands. The tail and fins have become knobbier, and are used to shuffle along the ground, inchworm style.The islands are full of large slow moving herbivores descended from rodents. The dolphin snake hides itself in reed thickets or shallow water. When a prey animal wanders too close it lunges forward, vicegrips the neck with powerful jaws, and pulverizes the unlucky critter with a vicious death roll.
>>3439215an insect which has evolved to form semi-permanent colonies atop of floating debris who farm algae and eat plankton
>>3439314Here. An ant-like eusocial water bug. This is a worker, equip with scraping jaws and strong back legs adapted for swimming. The abdomen can be filled with air to aid buoyancy.
>>3439341nice, you're good
>>3439341also, do you have someplace you put your art. I like your style
>>3439215Does this sound interesting? >>3432087
I'm another drawfag. Definitely not as good as the other ones but I'll take requests cause I haven't drawn in a long time
>>3420022Semi-automatic apeDon't care how, needs to happen
>>3426912>Realistic werewolfDinopitechus actually existed
>>3439584Meant to say acquatic fuck
this was a good thread. thank you
>>3439367looks like cm koseman
>>3439341Giant hominid evolved to take over the niche of irish elk/mammoths
>>3439592here you go>>3431172
>>3439528odd looking, but cool. what is it supposed to be?
>>3416489Does anybody know why sheathergaypr888de stopped posting on specevo-forum?I think he wrote something about a discord server and toxic community or something but im not quite sure.
>>3439528how about some ratmorphs, like rats evolved to take over the niche of wolves,foxes or bears?
>>3439712The deep sea aquatic posthuman from Man After Man. See pic related>>3439845He got depressed or some shit. The spec evo community attracts a lot of trannies and mentally ill retards for some reason
>>3439885hundreds of people allready did that. Anything else?
>>3439965how about a flying primate?
>>3439528Already got my aqua ant nigga made but ill give you something worth your time-How about a thick skinned mole rat which has derived to the point that it has taken up the lizard niche (cold blooded warm climate inscectivore)
>>3439965giant mantis or swamp kraken
>>3440057A few decades into the future, a war between Israel and several surrounding countries eventually leads to the nuclear annihilation of northeastern Africa. A large majority of species were banished to extinction as a result of this, but a few clung onto their lives. The naked mole rat was one of the only vertebrates that was able to survive, with a few populations caught just out of the blast range. They were able to repopulate the wastelands pretty quickly due to their high resistance to cancer and soon created a new population much larger than before.Several million years later, naked mole rats and their descendants have become the dominant mammal of the wastelands. Without any competition from other vertebrates, some mole rats have abandoned their ability of being warm blooded, instead opting to be heated by the sun. This type of mole rat has also stopped being fossorial and eusocial, instead living their lives similar to lizards. Males will climb up on rocks to watch over his territory. If he sees a bug, he will run to it and eat it. If a female enters his territory, he will try to make her stay; and if another male enters he will try to fight him off. They are most active in the mornings and evenings, when it is still hot but not enough to cause the rats to overheat, otherwise they will hide in burrows under rocks.When a male successfully courts a female, she will stay in his burrow and later give birth to around half a dozen small little pups. She will feed them with milk while the male collects insects outside which he will chew up and feed to both his mate and their children. When they are able to feed themselves, the rat pups will leave disperse to new areas away from their birthplace. For now they lead a simple life, but as their habitat becomes less of a wasteland and new species start moving in, they will need to adapt to change.
>>3440166Lol love that backstory. It would be cool if Israeli aggression in the middle east became a force of natural selection for animals living there.
>>3440166all i can say is based
>>3417502A turtle from an island that reaches temperatures of about 30F very often, so they've adapted the means to heat up in the sun. Curled rock climbing claws that can lift up while on the ground. A very wide shell (slightly wider than they are long) that's a greenish black with ribbons of red in between the chutes. Said chutes are spikes that aren't too tall, and lay flatter the farther out from the center they are, and the belly plates are raised so that they don't have to fully rely on their claws.Their necks stretch out about half their body's length, and the skin stretches wide to get more sun while they hang from the rocks, and is also a greenish black with a red line going from its eyes to the edge of the frilly skin (for mating season). Their beaks are stubby and strong, so they can eat nuts and sometimes small bones. The tail is very strong, stubby, prehensile, and acts like a hook.They are omnivorous, but only predatory if the prey can be cornered, is too slow, or dead. They love fruit, but it's rare on their island, so they mostly eat vegetation and nuts.
>>3439225Been in that thread, shit was fantastic to read. But umprobable something like that could exist thought>>3439528Cool, would you be interested in drawing saurians adapted to tundra niches?
>>3440166oh i got an idea, how about An otter in the role of a dolpin, and a dolphin in the role of an otter
>>3439950Ah, thanks anon. Maybe someone will find the answer someday.
>>3439295thats awesome man, thanks
Is there anything sadder than someone who's spec evo project consists of commissioned drawings?
>>3442801Not as sad as a fully fleshed out spec project featuring drawings that look like they were made by a 5 year old
>>3442801>>3442818This reminds me of that time I saw on Deviantart a speculative realistic Troll that was basically a giant mole, was pretty interesting so I checked the profile to see what else he madeIt was all Ash Ketchum vore
>>3442830classic deviantart lmao
>>3442818Yeah but at least thyere drawing, not spending $20 on every pic in their projectthey always get that Serina guy to draw them too
>>3442830>>3442859>deviantartThe Specevo community is filled with a lot of faggots and other weird ass people. The forums specifically have a lot of trannies.
>>3442874Deviantart, much like 4chan is a truly... chaotic, place, to say the least, one must take great care treading. On one hand, you've got gold, on the other, THIS shit, shoulda spoilered it senpai.
>>3442874Jesus christ, i will never go on this god forsaken site again. Why must all these autists like spec evo that much?
>>3417502Make an actual hexapod vertebrate that doesnt have retarded limb design.
>>3442801>>3442871I mean, it's a great way to support the artists while also getting your ideas turned into art. Not everyone has the time or knack for learning how to draw. If you've got cash on hand, why not patronize your fave artists?Y'all are party poopers lol. Without patrons, spec bio artists wouldn't have nearly as much time to do art.
>>3443300Word, based anon. It's strange how there're folks with such... dull and party-poopers. Making your own art for a spec project is good, and so's commissioning artist.
>>3443315They probably have neither the time or the imagination to make projects and concepts of their own lol. Also, I'm sure artists really appreciate being patronized. I'm not an artist but I'd be flattered if someone liked my art enough the commission me.
>>3443320Nor the cash eh lol
could mammals ever develop the bright colors you find in insects, birds and lizards?
>>3443683sure! there's a good deal of mammals (particularly primates, since we have the excellent eyesight and colour vision needed to appreciate a colourful mate) that have developed very colourful patches (mostly on the face and ass/testicles)
>>3443688ah yeah mandrills, is green possible though? i was looking at some of those jungle lizards and snakes and wondered if a green monkey or ape would ever be possible.
>>3443688Kinda funny that the most colorful mammals basically have a red ass or blue balls.>>3443683There's a bright green sloth because of algae.
>>3443690in theory sure! most mammals have super shitty eyesight compared to lizards, fish, and birds, so we've only just started getting this stuff with primates. and in jungles just having shadowy browns is as good camouflage as being green would be, so there's no real incentive for a mammal to evolve to be green even if we couldn't see it (especially when, to mammal predators like big cats, green and brown might as well be equivalent). but there's no actual barrier to a monkey evolving to be green. vervet monkey scotums are already edging towards the turquoise side of blue.
>>3443698classy. why can't we have decoratively coloured testicles?
maybe humans will develop decorative balls
>>3443702Imagine some farmer plucking them from a tree because he thinks they are fruits.
>>3429203for me its more of a slop
>>3443707iirc this was an episode of rml
>>3417502A rhinoceros beetle or bombardier hivemind species. One that’s like ants or wasp.
>>3444626Should specify more, a mix between two of these species. Add a queen if you want or something.
>>3438248This looks like it should be in a really cool sci fi game
>>3433901The weather would rip any flying creature to shreds.Winds have been measured on Saturn at over 1,000 miles an hour. That's faster than the goddamn speed of sound.
>>3433901>Has their been any serious attempt to model a hypothetical ecosystem on a gas giant planet? Not just Sagan's floaters and sinkers but an actual interconnected ecosystem with a food chain and everything.I don't think so. Just to get it to work you'll need to reinvent biochemistry. Carbon-water organisms would be too heavy and get destroyed by the violent forces of a gas giant. Ice giants on the other hand tend to be calmer, and you mention Neptune, or a Neptune sized sized planet. Neptune is an ice giant, but Neptune sized gas giants and even rocky planets with T H I C C atmospheres can exist. A warmer Neptune could even have liquid water.>F-class starI'd think an F-class star would put too much energy into a giant. F-class's have most of the benefits a G-class star (like our sun) and some of the detriments of a red dwarf combined with some of the problems of a blue star. Too bright, too radioactive, too much solar wind. All of this will be making your gas giant have some truly amazing but Hellacious storms constantly going. I'd recommend pushing it to the outer edge of the habitable sone, or outside of it altogether, as planets that large can generate some of their own heat, and the bulky atmosphere (depending on composition) will hold in more heat from the host star.>at nightThe entire planet would probably be in permanent twilight, as light is bent and spread through the atmosphere.
how would humans have evolved if they never stopped being hunter gatherers?still crafting hunting tools, still building huts, maybe even still using fire, but never advancing to agriculture or domestication of any animals, no medicine beyond some rudimentary knowledge of herbs and such, still subject o the pressures of natural selection
>>3446194Would probably become digitigrades with some really good throwing arms
>>3416459is it a reptile?
>>3446240Is this your new spam tactic?
>>3433901I'm working a bit on one. Probably won't amount to much though.On that note, anyone have advice for developing the lineages through time? I've come up with a few phyla with unique general body plans for each, but coming up with specfic species and ecosystems at different time periods is tough. I'm planning to start it a bit by phylogenetic bracketing of the groups that have evolved a common ancestral trait.Would appreciate help with learning about biomaterials like bone and cellulose and chitin. What other possibilites are there?
Can bugs develop lungs? i want to put big bugs in this thing im doing but have it be somewhat grounded/realistic. whats the max size a lunged-bug can get to anyway? dog, horse sized somehwere between?
>>3446820>Would appreciate help with learning about biomaterials like bone and cellulose and chitin. What other possibilites are there?I forgot the name, but the fibrous parts from plants (like wood, the thing that gives earth plants rigidity). Also don't be afraid to get weird. An animal gaining photosynthesis from mutualism might eventually become spined trees. And organisms have to get the material for their bodies. A moon like Europa doesn't have the iron or calcium for Earthlike bones and blood, that's not to say those mechanisms can't exist, they'll just exist in a different way.
>>3446825I think the question you should be answering is why, not can. In biology the answer to can is usually yes. So in SpecBio the question you need to answer are how and why.
>>3446833I think lignin is what you're thinking of. What about it? I am planning to involve mutualism and endosymbiosis. I know I mostly only have CHONSP for Biomaterials, so that restricts it a bit. Is there some sort of general rule or theory for them? I know polymers are what I should search for, but there are so many...>>3446825I don't know about numbers for that, you can probably find that online somewhere. I would guess that for bugs to develop lungs, they would have to do it from some novel structure, considering how long they have been around breathing like that. Maybe from very derived setae or plastrons?
>>3446825Sure, why not. There's already bugs with inflatable body parts so that's part of the way there, right? What if moths evolved gas exchange in their weird inflatable pheromone organs?
>>3417103Thanks, I fucking hate it.
>>3431172Basically, I'm monke
>>3442830>>3442859>>3442874>>3442894I post my shitty art on deviant art but I never fucking ever interact with the "community" in there.
>>3447257hey hey hey, give yourself some credit anon, that's pretty good!
do not let this thread disappear
>>3448250Why?When humans sprint, they run on the balls of their feet already
>>3447257That's literally horrible holy shit.
How did siphonophores evolve? I want to do some spec with them.
>>3449721Simply put, like literally any multicellular organism did throught meiosis.They're just like that, but a tad more complex
>>3449721Nobody knows for sure but I think they and jellyfish split off from some in between ancestor. The ancestors of siphonophores began paratising on each other until a hundred million years later they became so intertwined they cannot survive without each other, like how chloroplast became part of a plant cellTake this with a grain of salt cause i made this up on the spot
>>3446194Over time we evolve to become faster and faster, eventually we are able to drop to all fours and run like cheetahs to catch up to our prey
>>3427692There's a cypress and a few molluscs that do this. Sperm deletes the egg DNA, takes over the embryo. Species/population is all male, needs related females to reproduce. The flip side of this, gynogenesis, is more common. It's just partheno with extra steps, you need sperm to trigger the egg and get it to divide. >>3417502Can I get a neotenic Luidia? This is a starfish with large long-lived larvae, which can survive for a while even after the adult starfish drops off from them. I could see them doing away with the adult stage and becoming a planktonic 'worm' with bilateral symmetry.
This is a new idea I plan on working on. Basically a red supergiant planet. But since those stars don't live long enough, I decided to start at a red dwarf. The non-eccentric orbit of the dwarf is mostly a handwave, I know it is highly unrealistic.
>>3450898>lets evolve to be bipeds to run through the grass!>ok, now lets evolve to be quadrupeds to run through he grass!
>>3417502A red shanked douc with a peafowl train that matches his face's coloration, and with peafowl wings and legs.
>>3452063Cool solar system, but whats the planets life like?
I love speculative biology, but the online community can be such cancer. Why are so many autistic 13 year olds drawn to this subject? Why are so many creators pretentious and petty? Why is gate keeping and gish gallop so prevalent?Every discussion inevitably breaks down into nitpicking, semantics, and pissing contests over who can spout the most psuedoscientific terminology. As someone with an actual degree in biology, the arguments over whether natural selection could do this or that are often totally spurious and based on fundamental misunderstandings of evolutionary theory. You can see several examples of this in the thread. Where do all these spec-obsessed brainlets come from?Two things I hate the most: >Vague questions like "could ABC evolve XYZ?" (the answer, almost invariably, is yes - given the correct circumstances). An interesting spec discussion needs more context than that>Projects involving fantasy creatures. It's been done to death. It's rarely done well. It's not interesting. Most of the time it's just a cover for sharing furbait or cringeworthy fiction projects I know nobody cares about my blogpost. But I'm sure there are one or two people in here who feel the same.
>>3452271No there aren't, go cry somewhere else sperg
>>3452271>I know nobody cares about my blogpost. But I'm sure there are one or two people in here who feel the same.I agree with everything you said.Just see: >>3442874This is the only place where I can say what I really want to say without hurting anybody's fee fees. Don't want to piss on some faggot's shitty boring trope-filled project on the forums and then get banned because they complained to mods
way back I saw speculation that many alleged sea monster sightings, such as Cadborosaurus, are actually sighting of large, unknown, fully aquatic species of pinnipeds.While it's unlikely the case, I love the idea of pinnipeds basically replacing the ecological niche plesiosaurs once held.
>>3452311I mean, look at leopard seals, this thing is practically a plesiosaur already.
>>3452311Man, Kosemen's art is just the best. There's something about the lumpy weirdness of organic forms that he is able to capture perfectly. Nobody does it better. This looks like a really early piece. I've never seen it on his DA or website. I wonder where he originally posted it.
>>3452317it was on a cryptomundo page about sea monsters, they may have commissioned him for it
>>3452311>>3452312See, this is an interesting spec idea. So much better than the endless parade of "penguins become whales" and "squids become whales".
>>3452072>let's evolve to walk on land!>ok, now let's evolve to be fully aquatic again!hence, cetaceans. that shit happens in nature, dawg.
>>3452572secondarily evolved traits are the most interesting traits.
>>3452266Most species of primary producers use radiation (instead of light) as their power source to fix oxygen during respiration (radiosynthesis). Near to the equator animalesque plants climb giant fungal trees to photosynthesize. Some animals "hunt" these plants. I haven't actually decided on how the animals are, although they definitely all (at least land animals) possess some level of exoskeleton or chitinous plates that's primary purpose is deflecting as many x-rays and gamma radiation as possible, and soaking up the radiation it can't so it doesn't poison the organism's organs. The undergrowth and "grass" is more fungal descendents, single-celled yeast and slime-mold like organisms grow by consuming radiation, at least until the bright light of Loki led to photosynthesizers pushing into that niche. Around the poles only the hardiest species survive. The temperature stays around -100C before Loki and -40 after, the auras are so bright that there is effectively no night at the poles, although with the strong solar winds even the rest of the planet can get bright auras lighting up the night (and day). During "summer" the red supergiant lights up the nightside of Baldr to be even brighter than the dayside, and during this time the plants enter a period of rapid growth and reproduction.
>spec evo project>has dragons
>>3452710>see somebody made a new project on the forum>it's terraformed world #1048484420462984284>it goes dead after the first update
>>3452311longseal is looong
>>3452756everybody wants to found a great project but nobody wants to put in the time or effort to contribute to one themselves
>>3452759That's why I'm going to perpetually keep my project to myself until it's half-way done or complete.
>>3416459>if everyone on /an/ evolved to have 47 chromosomes the thread
>>3452779you are being left in the dirt, soon i will evolve to surpass you and my descendants will pick up your bones and display them with awe in a museum
>>3427766There's no chimeric "seams" that show where one animal part ends and where another begins. It blends in into this one, reasonable-looking creature (okay, the spikes may be a little too much, but rule of cool).