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Bitch who approached me at a club and whom I texted 2 days later hasn't replied in over 24 hours. Should I text her again or not?
Don't forget to dress fresh to death.
>>29001344I can't. My apartment is tiny so I just have room for one of each clothing item.
I'm going to my first bar for the first time in my life in a few days, I'm a bit nervous as it's my first time. I'm not an a-grade social retard but I am awkward.General advice? I'm not going in with the intention to try and fuck as many pussies as possible but do a George from Seinfield. Just do the complete opposite of what I'd normally do. Is that a healthier goal instead of trying/failing to meet as many women as possible? To give more context, this will break my social cherry so to speak. Never been to a party, a nightclub or a bar. I'm not going with anybody either. It'll be by myself.
>finally made a Tinder and Bumble>I get likes on both, matches on tinder>Talk to this broad into the book I'm into>Heavy>We click, she gives me her number>Now I'm hinting I'd like to see her, she ghosts>Talk to other girls on tinder>"You're pretty">"Idk what you're looking for, but maybe I can help you find it">"I like your nose ring, got any more piercings?"...>"HI">Absolutely ZERO connections madeAm I cursed?
>>29001452Your mistake was being ugly and going on dating apps.
>>29001464Laddie I'm not ugly. Next.
how bad is it to have bad teeth? (they don't smell bad, at least)
>>29001224>by men, for men, about womenAre women not allowed to participate then? I'm a complete newfag to this board in particular, haven't learned the etiquette yet
>>29001488I'm a woman and the etiquette is who fucking cares, no one can stop me from posting anywhere, move over bitch
>>29001475how bad are we talking about?
>>29001488they can, but i doubt they'll help
>>29001372 I think it's totally fine to spend your first few times just by yourself watching how other people interact for a couple hours and getting used to the environment. I personally never feel comfortable in a bar unless it's at least my 2nd time being there, lol.
>>29001464where do you go to meet women irl?
>>29001641Not this shit again. The answer is everywhere, yet nowhere. If you're too shy to talk to a girl that interests you, too scared of coming across as creepy or hype up life-destroying consequences for a bombed approach in your head, you can't meet them anywhere. If you're not too shy, women are everywhere in public for you to talk to at your leisure. Some locations are more conducive to meeting new people, namely nightlife or shared interests, but you come across the same problem. If you're too shy, you can't meet them. If you're not too shy, you can.
>>29001641I met my girlfriend at a magic: the gathering tournament
>>29001673>nightlifeso like night clubs and bars?
>>29001574No chance of that. I paid money to get inside this venue. And I'll feel like a loser doing that because it's what I'd normally do. I want to do the opposite of what I'd normally do.
>>29001488You're not good at helping at all.
>>29001340>Bitch who approached me at a club and whom I texted 2 days later hasn't replied in over 24 hours."Nothing happened and now I am mad. What do I do?"Stop giving a shit, flirt with more/different girls.
>>29001488You can but if you give advice that doesn't work (E.g. be patient / nonthreatening / be her friend first) I'm gonna call you a fag.
>At the club>Finishing the night, unsatisfied, bitchless>About to head home when a group of fellas invite me over to their after party>6 girls 5 guys, one of them's gay as hell>atleast one of the girls is free>qt pie, very thin, latina, we start talking>this girl all she does is talk about work and work and work>unfortunately for her, that's also my personality>she's interested in doing the shit IM CURRENTLY DOING as a living>her friends are being massive third wheelers, and she is also very interested in me>we end up making out very intensely>no sex, its fine>set up a date for another day>text her>''yeah aight, I'm still hungover from that day lol''>confirm a date for the movie theather>hit er with the ''sure, lemme know if anything happens''>''aight, till then''Now what the fuck do I do? I haven't been in a date since high school, and from her way of texting she may be as mentally unstable as I am. Hell, she wants to learn english and bartend, something I already do. We're both the same age, yada yada, I'm just worried I'm gonna fuck it all up
There are all kinds of reprobates, slobs, and chinless wonders with girlfriends and wives... while I've invested so much into looksmaxxing and self-improvement but can't find a single girl to like me....
>>29001890>>About to head home when a group of fellas invite me over to their after partyWhere did you meet this group? Was it random?
What's a good way to start a first date? I have the date planned out (taking her to park), but i feel like the first 5 minutes will be super awkward and shy. Should I get a gift or something to spark initial conversation and affection? Like flowers or something?
Long weekend coming up. Any plans?I'm considering going to R&B concerts to meet black cuties (I'm black). Any tips? Or should I text a friend and try to go out with another single guy I know so I'm not a weirdo alone?
>>29002822Fuck no. Your goal is to have fun, not impress her. Your job isn't even to get her to have fun. You're there to see if you actually like her.
>>29003144bring a rotisserie chicken
Thoughts on peacocking? I was walking down a street with a guy on a Saturday night and he had a big glittery hat on. Some girls in a window of a bar we walked past made gestures of excitement and approval. I felt a bit jealous. But they weren't very hot and maybe they would have done that to me too if I had worn that hat. I've been wearing just black, blue and gray with no text/signs/etc for all my life, not sure I'd feel comfortable with such garments, feels gay to me, but if women show interest it might be worth it. You stick out like sore thumb wherever you go though.
Does it ever happen that a girl doesn't reply as a shit-test? For example when sending the first text to a girl who approached you at a club 2 days after meeting her.
>>29003144Be Kevin Samuels smooth
>>29003144I tried making a wingman and going out with him. We ended up talking to no girls. It was easier to talk to people alone. But maybe he was just a bad wingman. They say it gives you social proof but I don't know if you need it, last time I went to a club I went alone and a hot girl approached me and I got her snapchat but then she hasn't replied. Girls don't approach me often though. Then again no girl approached me when I was with the wingman either except one big ugly girl sat down next to me. Not many girls gave me indications of interest when I was with him either. I went to a club alone the weekend before and more girls looked at me that time.
>>29002822I only brought a gift once. It was a coupon for free movie/tv show streaming which I had gotten just before meeting her at a gas station. She seemed very happy when I said I had a gift for her.
>>29001224Where do I meet women IRL if I can't really do physical activities? A popular suggestion I've heard before is dance classes, but I can't do those due to an injury.>>29001742NTA, but my experience with the two has been that the women there usually already have boyfriends. I think with clubs I just got unlucky considering I haven't been to clubs that many times, but I've been to bars many times and have never seen any girl show up there by herself.
>>29003630Yeah women at bars and clubs are rarely alone, normally in groups of 2-5 friends, most often all female but quite often mixed female and male. Happens rarely at bars that they're alone, maybe more common with fancier bars, but clubs it almost never happens. You approach anyway. Also one of the purposes of a wingman is to distract the friend.
>>29001488Be ready to be called a femoid whore if all you give are generic platitudes.
>>29003660Sounds like those places aren't gonna work for me then. If I need a wingman to make them work, it's not happening since most of my buddies never leave the house.What are some other places that work?
>>29003615Did you kiss her they date or fuck later?
>>29003718You don't need one. It's just another tool. It sucks that you squandered your social life and have no friends or social group to go out with, but that's on you now. You're not hot enough for dating apps, so you must learn to approach girls when they are in groups.
>>29001340no. she's clearly had a change of heart. if you text her again, she'll be like "omg...stalker!", even though you're not.
>>29001452there are bots everywhere. once you start trying to meet up irl, if they hesitate or ghost, then move on because you're not gonna get anywhere.
>>29001800then *don't* pay...figure out a way to sneak in. no, seriously. then you'll have the air of adventure and risk about you. women will suck your dick right there in front of everyone.
>>29001890>I'm just worried I'm gonna fuck it all updon't live in fear, dude. girls can smell that. also, if this chick bails on you just because you make 1 stupid little mistake, then fuck that bitch. but if she's cool, then she'll be fine even if you fumble.
>>29002822>What's a good way to start a first date?sounds like it's casual (eg: you're going to the park), so just keep the first 5 mins casual. eg: ask her how her day's been going, talk about what you've been up to. eg: stuff you would ask someone you've known for a while. casual.and, no, no, no, do not bring a gift for her, unless it's something chill and casual.
>>29003718>What are some other places that work?coffee shops. you can sit there for hours, working on your computer or reading a book. lots of women will be in and out, and some will hang around to work/read/etc.
A girl I've been on 2 dates with is going on holiday with her single best friend to Ibiza next month. Should I be worried?
>>29003718You don't have to have a wingman. Last time I was at a club I positioned myself on the dance floor next to a group of 4 girls. Held my beer, kind of danced a little, was looking at the girls. One of the girls broke off from the group and started dancing in front of me facing me. I danced a little, toasted her glass, then leaned in and talked to her. We went out to share one of her cigarettes and then I asked for her snapchat and got it, texted her 2 days later, she hasn't replied in almost 48 hours though. I'm considering whether to text again or not. Most likely she doesn't think my job is good enough.
>>29003718Also I have zero friends but I made two wingmen at bars/clubs. One stood me up but keeps sending snaps for some stupid reason, the other I went out with once, we talked to no girls and he didn't seem to be having very fun.
>>29003774We only had one date. Don't remember if we kissed, I think maybe we did. I tried to escalate to sex but she refused. She wanted a serious relationship but I just wanted to fuck her.
>>29003812So what if she thinks I'm a stalker? Might be worth a try because it worked for me once. The alternative is to not text and see if she texts me sometime, maybe in a few weeks or months but I doubt it will happen. But I talked to a guy who got ghosted by a girl he cold approached in a mall I think it was and she texted him out of the blue like a year later and they fucked. Maybe she had a boyfriend at the time though and they broke up, don't think this girl has a boyfriend.
>>290018492 girls approached me in clubs the last few months and both rejected me.
>>29001224What do I do if I'm ashamed of having sexual interest and too insecure to express myself? I'm too poor for therapy.
>>29003858She is going to have a train ran on her lol
>>29003937>But I talked to a guy who got ghosted by a girl he cold approached in a mall I think it was and she texted him out of the blue like a year later and they fuckedok, so you're in the exact position that he was in back then (eg: she had ghosted him). so play the patient game and wait and see if she txts you in a year. he's proof that if you hold back she might want to hook up later. who knows if his chick would have txted him a year later if he had kept pestering her after she ghosted him?
>>29003976Lay down and rot I guess. The fuck are we supposed to do with that?
>>29001340I texted her. No reply in an hour. I can't even see if she has read my texts because she hasn't accepted my friend request.
Pretty sure dating apps in 2023 are a scam. I heard a guy say that it's 90% AI bots or scammers anyway. I've spoken to a few girls recently but they're ugly. Is getting some daygame and not being a sperg (and actually leaving my home outside of work) really the best thing to do? I was talking to an older roasty woman at work and she goes on dates all the time and doesn't even use apps apparently. I know it's different for women but that means that men are approaching her irl. Makes me think...but whenever I go out alone I usually just get really drunk and go home.
I know it's a numbers game but does that apply to women who approach you? I was approached by two hot girls in clubs and one average girl in the street within a few months. All three rejected me later. Starting to doubt I'll ever fuck a girl like those two hot girls if even those who approach me reject me. I have a shit job and no friends, and I think one rejected me for my job and the other for being alone on a cruiseferry.
>go on a first date with qt hinge girl, goes really well>walk her home, tell her i had a really good time and want to see her again, she agrees>text her the next afternoon with the plan to set up next date>she replies a few times, doesn’t respond to my most recent text before i get to her for another date >her phone goes on do not disturb for 24 hours, it’s now off that and still no reply>check her hinge profile to see if she’s updated it (then i’d know for sure it’s over)>one thing has changed, her location, back to her hometown that she’s from a little while awayi wonder what the fuck has happened?>you have to manually update your current location on hinge>she’s a student for a couple more months, has her house till september>i know she has some minor mental health issues, maybe somethings happened and she’s gone back with her parents? maybe she’s had problems with her housemates?>maybe she didn’t have as good of a time as i thought she did and this other shit is a coincidence?maybe i’m sperging out too much about no reply after a day but she was pretty fast at replying before, kinda weird though
>>29005012>and want to see her again, she agrees>text her the next afternoon with the plan to set up next datetoo needy too fast. should have just said "see you soon" and then waited until a day or so until right before you want the next date
>>29005037get what you’re saying but we clicked a lot and also said we want no bullshit, and were very open with each other during the date, id be surprised if me saying that has fucked the whole dateif anything her changing her location to her makes me less worried i did something wrong
>>29004967How many times are you gonna post this? For the last time it's not your job it's your complete lack of confidence. If you're wondering "am I not good enough" then of course you're going to come off as insecureI don't know what advice you expect, if you think it's that big of a deal then forget about women and start looking for a better job
>>29005241but he's right....
>get girls number at end of class weeks ago>send some message about seeing her later>she messaged days later "yeah at some point">week later send a message asking how things are>no text back>2 weeks pass>just send "hey" to her in case she didn't get to read the text>No response >It's Over.jpeg, delete contact and message history >2 weeks later she sends me "hey whats up"Am I supposed to continue playing the game or is this just gonna wring me out? She's very cute and I liked her personality a lot, but for the last month I kept getting angry at her for not responding. This message was 5 minutes ago and it didn't seem like she read the "how are you" message
Meeting with my ex soon. We've been broken up since last August and officially stopped sleeping with each other since Christmas. Since then I've been dating around but we've hung out a few times between February and March but it never went anywhere despite her crying every time. We didn't talk at all for two months until a few days ago. I sent her a text a few days ago and it's been a bit back and fourth. She said she is down to go on a walk with me. But in the exchanges she said things like."I'm okay to see you to go on a walk but don't you think it's too soon? If you still have feelings for me."Then she said "Before I decide if I want to meet or not, I need to know if you're seeing anyone seriously, and if you are, I want to respect that."I told her that I've just been dating around."Well, I still think it might be too soon. I don't want you to give you the wrong idea.I told her there is no wrong idea for her to give and we don't have to meet if you don't want to, I'll respect your decision.She followed up with saying next week would be better.Should I just take those replies as straight forward as possible and assume that is exactly what she feels?I just hate how she assumes my feelings for her by saying things like, "Don't you think it's too soon?" As if I she knows me better than I know myself. If she is over and done with me, there is no reason to even entertain hanging out and catching up. Sometimes I think she isn't completely over me and projecting her own feelings to me. What she may be really saying is, "I'm not completely over you yet, don't you think it's too soon to hang out?"
absolutely losing my shit at the retard anons who got a girls snapchat and wondered why they dont ever talk to them kek
>>29005624gtfo you dumb chudyou will never find real love, nigger
>>29005012i’m this anon replying to myselfi’m gonna wait a week and send a hail mary text to her (if she doesn’t reply before) saying something like “hey you free monday? all good if not” cos fuck it she’ll be moving back home shortly after and realistically i’d never speak to/see her again, and i’ve already overwhelmed her to the point of no return the what difference does it make?
>>29005712what’s the honest reason you want to see your ex? are you trying to get back together? to fuck?
whats the consensus like for liking anime in regards to being attractive towards women ?
>>29005593Maybe she read it but feels awkward about leaving you hanging for so long. Or maybe she's a bitch. Can't know for sure.
Losing my shit at the pathetic simps in this thread. You really just are approaching girls that only want sex while trying to get in a relationship with them yourself. Sad!
>>29005900Fuck it, I sent her a message telling her my weekend plans and asked how she's doing. We'll see how things go.
>>29005888On its own no girl worth your time is going to give a fuck. As long as it's not the only thing you do and you've got other shit going on, she's not gonna care.Really you shouldn't be worried about how your hobbies like that might affect attractiveness. Women will 100% date a weeb with confidence over an insecure trad larper.If you really like anime that much that you feel the need to ask this, try using your love for it as a creative hobby. I do cosplay and even women who don't have any nerdy hobbies ask to see my costumes. Women like to see passion and drive regardless of what the topic actually is.
>>29001224>About a month ago I asked my friend “hey so this is shot in the dark, but would you be willing to go out with me.” >She gave a very nonchalant yes and stated that she’s low maintenance so she doesn’t care what I invite her to. Since then I have had three dates with her, yet it doesn’t really seem that different from being friends with her.>Last date we left a movie and walked into a Spenser's.>She pointed out a dido on the floor>told me not to look in the back, so I looked over and saw a wall of vibrators>turned a shitty joke I made into a sexual innuendo>At the end of the date I leaned over to watch a Dora the whora video she was showing me on her phone >I put my arm around her shoulders >she said “what are you doing?”I am so confused. Is she my gf or a friend? Is she trying to make things sexual? Is she uncomfortable with me touching her at all?
>>29001488>saying you're a womanAre you dumb? Pretend you're a guy.
>>29003604>a bad wingmana bad wingman is a hinderance, not a help. if your bro isn't a rock solid dude you can vibe with, it is far better to go out by yourself.
>>29005990shes not viewing it as dates like you are. Shes viewing it as hanging out. That's why she had such a weird reaction to you putting your arm around her.
>target>bookstore>mallwhere else can you go to pick up women that isn't bars or clubs?
Do girls know when you’re right wing just by looking at you? Because I can tell when girls are liberal just by looking at them.
Hey, fuckers I need a suggestion for a gift: What is the safest option for me to get as a gift for a woman that goes to the gym on a basis?She is my boss and in two days I'll be leaving the workplace because Im done with my college internship period, she was nice and friendly to me every day we were working together and I just want to give her something as gratitude, I dont intend to score or get into a relationship of any sorts, I just want to be nice to her for being nice to me.I was thinking of a sports bag or something practical, something related to gym stuff, any ideas?
>>29005829Honestly, I would like to be intimate with her again. However, it's been long enough to where I've been dating other women (I've been dating around since we broke up) and I'm not SUPER pressed on getting back with her. If she does end up wanting to give it a try and I'm not seeing someone seriously, I'd give it a try. If we hangout and she starts to develop feelings again? Great. If not then I'll eventually go no contact again. Honestly, if anything, I think hanging out with her will actually help me get over her.It's just confusing in the sense of is she looking out for my feelings or is she projecting hers onto me when saying, "I think it might be too soon" (implying it's too soon for me to see her) or "I'm not sure I'm ready to see you yet" (implying it's too soon for her to see me).Maybe she is completely and honestly over me and everything she is saying should be taken word for word. She could be telling me, "Anon, I'm completely over you and I don't want you to hang around me and get a false sense if you still have romantic feelings for me because I have no longer feel the same for you." But once again, there would be no reason to entertain hanging out if that were the case.
>>29001673>talk to random girls at restaurants, grocery stores, walmart, gas stations>banned from 8 places:(
When you make eye contact with a girl, how do you tell the difference between an interested smile and a>Someone looked at me and I must smile because it is the thing you do smile
>>29006469If she maintains it, smiles while looking away and laughs at your jokes.Trust me, you'll know.
>>29006371Yeah, that’s what I’m afraid of. But she said yes to going out and clearing talked as if she’d be a gf, hence the whole “low maintenance” comment, so I’m confused. Plus, before asking her out, she never wanted to hang out with my friends or people in general when around me. So I thought she was already interested. I’m going to try a few more times because I’m pathetic, so does anyone have a way to test where I’m at with her?
>>29006613honestly i would just be a 100% clear with her and ask what you and her are doing together. It'd be one thing if this was the first date but it's the third date and it seems like you want a relationship and she views you as a friend>so does anyone have a way to test where I’m at with her?it'd really be best to just go and be honest with her and it'd save you both time and heartache
>match with girl on bumble>she has a photo in the mountains>ask her if it’s in the blue ridge>says no it’s the smokies (which are part of the blue ridge)Do I correct her or what
>>29006654do you want to sound like a smarmy know it all faggot?
>>29006674idk man, ask her what she thought of it or what she did there. just don't go all ACKTUALLLY on her.
>>29006654Maybe I'm not as autistic as I thought I was. God damn dude.
>>29001224So say I am at a bar and see a girl I want to talk to, or she starts talking to me, can I leave my group and hangout with her?That is what I'm supposed to do right?
>>29006654yesand don't forget to put a nerd emoji at the end
I was on the street ducking from the rain and looking at directions when this girl came up to me and said I was really cute. I of course didn't get her number like the retard I am. Don't be like me.
>>29007187Reminds me of picrel
Bros I did it. I talked to my GF about sex yesterday! We are going to sleep together tomorrow night and mess around. Honestly, I don't even care that much about having sex, I just want to do more stuff with her.
>>29007240Is it either of your first times?
>>29007187Do you have good facial aesthetics? Are you /fit/?
>>29007202hits a bit too close to home
>>29007244My first, not hers. Shes such a great girl. Never pressured me or makes me feel innadiquate.
>>29007202She seemed genuine and I feel really bad for not asking for her number. She kind of ran away right after and I hesitated in the moment. >>29007247Yes-ish to both. I'm at a decent height as well.
We're 100% just friends, but how taboo is it for a 31 year old guy to spend time/hang out with a 54 year old woman?
>>29007261That’s wonderful. How did you get such a girl?
>>29007327Its a long story. Basically God, faith and taking a huge fucking risk on a girl that was nothing but red flags.
>>29007337Church girl with red flags?
>>29007353No, shes a total heathen. Im highly religious though. Like I say, its a long story. Shes had a pretty shitty life. I met her while she was in an abusive relationship. Thanks to fate and my desire to get to know her. She basically lost everything and I helped her recover. It has been an incredible challenge.
>>29007379Great story. Where did you two meet?>Im highly religious though.Fornication not bother you?
>>29007388At work. Yes its a problem. Not doing it half heartedly or for cheap pleasure. Its her or no one. I want to share in a beautiful thing with her. God will judge where my heart is in the matter.
>>29002169BumpI'm sick of the fact all these losers have girlfriends but I'm foreveralone...
>>29003144Gonna go see The Cure with my GILF fwb.
>>29001372Yea don't try too hard. Just scope the place out, get a feel for the vibe/people. You're going alone so just relax and literally be yourself.Do not a pull a Costanza, people can tell when someone is being a tryhard. Just ease yourself into it.Feeling worried that people might think youre a loser by yourself? Don't. No one is gonna give a shit about you. Just be amicable and polite. You need to go from 0 to 1 before you can go from 0 to 100
>>29003288You can peacock without looking like a tasteless ass hat. you just need to learn how to put together an outfit that has a statement piece to it without it looking costumey or cringe. A cool jacket, some bright colored pants, a fancy tie clip, etc.
>>29006658I'd like to sound like a smarmy know it all faggot! Were you planning to teach me? :)
>>29007683Your #1 waifu in life is your delusional addiction to feeling bad about yourself. And girls don't wanna settle for the #2 spot.
>>29003144only bring a wingman if he's solid and you guys are on the same wavelength. i'm talking near ESP levels of non-verbal communication.
>>29002169Because, do you go flirt with girls?No.You refuse to be happy with flirting with girls. You instead feel bad and worry about them feeling bad.So since you'd rather feel bad than pick up chicks, you are chickless.And would you like to acknowledge this habit is interfering with your success with women?Nope! You're in denial of reality and you refuse to acknowledge what you're doing. Or you'll pretend you "have to".And that right there is why you can't fuck. Because you would legitimately rather feel sad about yourself than flirt.You never even remotely come close to acknowledging this. It's like you're pathologically incapable of change or growth.And that's honestly funny. But it means that you'll be forever alone.
>>29002822Nah just talk about yourself for 5 mins, ez
>>29003243* to see if she's actually interested in you
>>29003976Change it; personality is a habit and habits are a choice. The obvious solution does work here.
>>29004141Assess if the anon wants to be secure and sexual. If he does, tell him about all the times when he's being insecure or boring, and that he could instead not. He'll change on his own.If he wants to stay boring and insecure, ignore his schizo sad-addicted crap, or tell him to fuck off.
>>29007732That makes no sense.
how do i stop obsessing over a girl?inb4 find another one
>>29008490Negative reinforcement. Stab yourself in the leg every time you think of her.
Been talking to my ex recently. She broke up with me months ago (was my fault and she really didn't even want to break up w/ me) but we still lived with each other for two months. For the first month we got really into playing Fortnite duos. We played almost every night and had a blast. I mentioned that we should duo in Fortnite since I started playing every now and then and noticed she does too. However, I can't tell if her she was saving herself from her second text.m: Let's duo in Fortnite sometimeh: Yeah, I'm down to play duoh: I miss playingh: Solo I mean. But it's fun to play with other people tooHow does one "miss" playing solo? You can literally just get on and play solo whenever. Unless she duoed every single time she has played for the last 6 months and literally hasn't played solo since. That would be like my friend asking to duo in LoL but I tell them I miss playing solo even though I can play solo whenever.
Alright riddle me this, I'm 23 and I message women my age on online dating and get ignored and then I'll get messages from 35-45 women with history. What is this? Am I just an ugly retard or something?
>>29008490You don't. The feelings I have for this gorgeous redhead are never going away, but she's married right now.There is another girl I'm very interested in, and it seems like she is into me too. We'll see.
>>29001224>HTGWG is by incels, for incels, about how to avoid getting women that are quite clearly out of your league
>>29001224lads, I started texting this really mid girl lately, she seems fine and is OK looking, but I just don't feel any chemistry yet. Is this a sign I shouldn't schedule a date with her? I was gonna take her to my favourite cafe on Saturday and get to know her a little, but if she's as dry irl as she is over messenger, I might just bail before this progresses any further.Should I do it anyway? I could definitely use the time to do something else after a busy ass workweek.
a girl a on date with has just texted me saying she had a good time and liked speaking to me but felt no connection and isn’t ready for a relationship yetthe thing is, i’m not looking for a relationship either. what’s the play here?
>>29001224So, there's this chick at my work. Last week run into her and say:>hey, it's you again, I always see you at the coffeemachine, teehee- Haha, yeah, blabla.So, yesterday I walk past her office say good morning and ask "Do we meet at the coffee machine again today?" She's like "When?" I say "1pm". She says ok. Later we meet there (one on the dot) and talk for ten minutes about some work related stuff (how the teams are and stuff) Then after ten minutes I excuse myself pretty abrupt and we both leave. Did I fuck up?
>>29009443not yet, you work with her, you will literally see her all the time, you can just say the same thing again and if it goes well then ask her if she wants to go for a real coffee outside of work or something
>messaging a girl from tinder>she usually sends selfies while i send random shit and my dog>ask her on a date>asks to send a selfie to prove im real>i do so >she replies with another selfie saying nothingwhat did she mean by this?
Ok so I got my first date in a while. There's an age gap of 7 between us (26 and 19) and I not sure where to take her. She says she does not drink so that's out of the picture. Should I just stick to a dinner?
>>29009709Yeah treat her to a nice dinner. Like 26 year old nice dinner. Girls her age probably haven't had much experiences like that as an adult.
>>29001224How do I practice to get good at sex before having sex?
do women prefer men who brag about their skillsets or ones that keep a lot of skills in their backpocket for when its needed
Are hoop earrings really proof of a slut? I don’t get the connection
>>29009978the latter. dont brag, just do things. action speaks louder than words.
>>29009421>isn’t ready for a relationship yetit's just shit women say when they're not interested
think the qt3.14 receptionist really is a narcissist and just playing with me. second time i ask, first time i didnt get a yes/no, but did now.blog time:>she's repeatedly "joked" about being a narcissist over a long period>im shit at all this>finally manage to have a longer talk while i eat (she pretty much followed me there and sat down to fill out a paper)>she dumps almost everything in her closet onto me, but says she thinks she has empathy, dont like the modern day stigma about male feelings and such>im dumbfounded and only manage to do some light topics>ask what she gonna do over summer and she says she's thinking about going abroad depending on "a coward with bad communication skills">think it could be me since i've been far from smooth over the last month or two i've talked to her, but too much thoughts in head to ask about it at the time>man the fuck up before i leave and talk to her>show her a comic strip that reminded me of her, smiles >she's literally doing fucking pirouettes infront of me, messing with her sweater and hair etc, while doing most of the talking about random shit>i ask if the guy she mentioned before is one of the zoomers that comes around and she kinda hesitates and sort-of sarcasticly says yes (she's usually more confident with the sarcasm, not sure if it surprised her) so not sure if she was honest or didnt want to "out" who it really is, and adds that some people are just for fun attention>ask if she wants an excuse to ditch her weekend plans, show her my phone with 'add contact' open>looks away with a half-awkward smile, almost shaking her head, says "nah" and backs off>then continues to talk and fiddling with some security pins>i dont really know what to say so mostly maintain eye contact while smiling while she smiles and talks for a minute or two>she asks if i hate her to which i reply "yeah, i hate the way your smile makes my mind go blank" and she smiles and looks away>half-assed ended the convo and fucked off
>>29010067This, male and I've used the same line. Find someone else.
>>29010151>I half-assed ended the convo*
After getting banned off of all apps owned by Match.com (where I didn't have any luck anyways, despite having used them for the past 10 years), I'm going to a local bar in the next town over. Its a bit of a retirement town, but theres a fair amount of families of government workers here. Not sure what to expect, but has anyone had any success hitting on milfs at the bar?
>>29006465I got banned from many places during the pandemic, and I've walked in there since then without any issues. Just give it a month and go back. They don't remember your face unless you're a theif and they post your pic behind the counter. Remember, they just want your money.
>>29007379NTA but this is interesting, I'm in the exact reverse situation with the girl I'm most interested in right now. She's a church girl, super cute, my exact type. Parents don't approve of me. I'm not an atheist but also not a Christian, personally I don't really care. I live my life in a way that I am proud of and I'll stand before whatever creator there is at the end of it all on my own two feet. Sucks though, she could be the one. I'd wait until marriage for her and I don't say that lightly.
Do you make eye contact and smile with girls walking past? I pretty much never do particularly if I don't have contacts in because then I can't see their faces. Sometimes I can see them adjusting their hair when I walk past though. Maybe I'm missing out on an easy confidence boost. Seems unnatural to me to look at and smile at random strangers though
>>29010877Yea I do try to usually. I walk my dog and sometimes pass cute girls. I have a hard time figuring out how long to hold eye contact but if I cross paths I usually try.Its also a good test to see if theyre attracted to you
I want to ask out a girl from my friend group from uni out for coffeeI'm worried she'll say something like "sure, let's call our other friends too"If this happens, should I just say "I meant me and you" or what?
>>29011174you should start showing interest first otherwise you will be the other guy in this thread
>>29010782You sound like Satan.
Is this her attempt at flirting?Context: met her at gym, wanted to take her out but she gave me bullshit excusesConvo started by her reacting to my ig story where i posted my legs
>at a friend's house to watch the end of a tv series we're watching together>it's me and my female friend are on one couch, and then we're sitting between two couples on the couches/loveseats >both couples around us suddenly start making out at the same time>we're already on opposite ends of the couch>she straightens herself up on the couch as if to maximize the distance between us in this moment>all morning/afternoon she's been messaging me (in a group chat of 3 people, the 3rd is a girl who's wedding we're going to and the chat was originally for watching a tv show together) about ideas of things to go out and do this summer.She's a recovering shut-in so I think she's just starved for friends more than anything. Does that seem like a good interpretation?
>>29011212How do I even do that?My idea was to ask her out first and then do that, it's much more awkward to do that when there's other people around
>>29011413start with holding eye-contact longer with a smile. go check YT for "how to get out of the friendzone" or something
>>29005712>We've been broken up since last August and officially stopped sleeping with each other since Christmas.Lmao coomers are so fucking weird
lmao just found out my "girlfriend" (havent spoken in 8 days) probably has BPD and thats why she ghosts me because of any small inconvenience in our relationshipshes been ignoring me for a week just because i reschedule a date to the next day
how to get tiny hairy free-use qt3.14 low self esteem cock sleeve wife?
Damn bros these Hinge girls near me look like decent women but goddamn they look plain.
>>29010151>>i ask if the guy she mentioned before is one of the zoomers that comes around and she kinda hesitates and sort-of sarcasticly says yes (she's usually more confident with the sarcasm, not sure if it surprised her) so not sure if she was honest or didnt want to "out" who it really is, and adds that some people are just for fun attention>>ask if she wants an excuse to ditch her weekend plans, show her my phone with 'add contact' open>>looks away with a half-awkward smile, almost shaking her head, says "nah" and backs offOh geez that must have been painful.
Walked around downtown for hours looking for women to do daygame on. Hardly saw any that were good targets. Really only two but I was in a bad position so I didn't approach. Cute girl stared at me in a supermarket, I should have approached her. Anyway there's got to be a better way to do daygame than to walk around. Maybe to stand in a busy shopping street. Walking around worked ok before corona but now there are far fewer tourist girls so it doesn't really work anymore. Unfortunately I rarely get out early so stores are closed for most of the time I'm out. Can't really get out early due to my sleeping cycle which is due to working night shift. I saw one other girl but she didn't look at me, had big headphones on and looked pissed so I didn't approach.
>>29010151>>29011828calling it awkward smile isnt quite right, it was almost identical to what she normally does including her own jokes. i might have exaggerated her reaction a bit in my head (apart from the moving-away bit which also happened last time).from what i've seen the guy i was talking about doesnt seem awkward at all and way more confident so highly doubt it's actually him she was talking about. but yeah that was a big fuckup to ask.still cant wrap my fucking head around why she'd be almost dancing infront of me and almost taking off her sweater, showing off her bare arms and belly and using her hands to bring attention to her stomach at one point.the other day she also "accidentally" pulled out one of her in-ears while she was turned the other way not far from me, and let it hang like she was inviting me to talk to her.at least i didnt get upset or anything but i'm not sure if she's really hard-testing or messing with me and what to do at this point other than maybe chill with the flirting a bit.
Matched with a casual work friend on tinder. Should I go for it? Always felt there might be something there but it's sort of awkward lol
>>29008899at least she's some gorgeous redhead. i'm obsessing about some mid looking girl and i don't know why.hell, i met some other girl who's more attractive and more fun than her (she even managed to pull the "real me" out me for a bit), and yet, i'm not thinking about her 24/7.
Just as I was about to enter a supermarket a cute girl entered too. I was outside and she was going through the gate a few meters in front of me, I think it was just as she picked up a basket she stared at me. I should have approached her inside. Realized that afterwards. I need to approach a lot more. Especially girls who give me looks.
First date went well with this girl we went to starbucks. Second date i was thinking dinner. Should i take her to some steak place like firebirds grill or is that too high end for a second date? What other places would be good if that's too high end
I was at work yesterday and there was this company or family of Mexicans building a structure on our property. They had a daughter or teenage co-worker there helping. She was really cute. Must have been around late teens or early 20s. She kept looking at me. Im fairly attractive, way to old for her, 41 and I have a GF. Im just wondering, why do latios age like Chinese cars? This girl was an easy 8/10 but her mother or older co-worker mid 40s, another latino, 5/10 by Orc standards.
>>29012793I guess more precisely - if I go through with it, what should we do? We already know each other from work, so coffee/drinks might be too casual? Maybe dinner?
I know it's a numbers game but does that apply to girls who approach you?https://youtu.be/N7FVmeJXwCY
All girlfriends Ive had are women who fucked me on the first date. Recently I've been talking to girls who show interest, but they want to make me wait. There's a christian girl I started talking to, after a few days I asked her on a date, she said she wants to wait a couple weeks. She's texting me pretty regularly, asking questions all the time. Do I just wait for her to make the move? Do I need to be more aggressive?
>>29006465If you're too ugly for dating apps, you're also too ugly to cold approach in random places. Idk why anyone believes otherwise. There is no place in the world where women want to be bothered by uggoes
>>29011324that's why you don't skip the leg day
>>29013194Bullshit. You can suck at taking photos and there's a lot involved in attraction that doesn't come through a screen. This is why dating apps are poison to your confidence. Go outside.
>>29013509once when i was living on campus and i'd been riding my bike a lot, i was walking out of the building and the big fat black RA at the front desk said "you've got nice calves!" and i grinned like a retard
Today on the subway a girl briefly came up right in front of me when I was standing, for no apparent reason, looked at me, then walked away. She was talking on the phone. I wonder if she did it to show interest. She had a really cute face and a very athletic curvy body, you know those thicc girls with huge thighs. Damn I wonder if she liked me. I'm a skinny guy, normally thicc athletic girls don't like skinny guys but many years ago there was another girl like that who I think liked me. She was one of the leaders of a course for unemployed people I was at. I only realized years later that I could probably have invited her over to my room which was like a minute away from where the course was. That sucks.
>>29013529I wish more women would brutally reject uggoes instead of being polite about it so y'all would stop with these delusions
About a year ago my friend tried hooking me up with his other friend; this really pretty successful athletic girl. She was also going through a break up and we tried hanging out just for casual sex. However I couldn’t get it up because I was anxious and couldn’t stop thinking about my ex. Fast forward to now, I start seeing this girls older sister. I lay the dick down really good and she’s hitting me up all the time trying to get it. What are the odds that she talks to her younger sister about me being good in bed and having a big penis (which I do) and the girl has second thoughts about hanging out again? Or does this sound stupid? Don’t women talk about this shit? They’re VERY close and happen to live together.
>>29013564i can pull much better women in real life than on dating apps. apps are a women's market, real life isn't.
>>29013564Sometimes I wish people were more clear about filtering out ugly fat bastards. We could organize and form a league
>>29013586Too bad that's the most common way of meeting and getting more common with each passing day
>>29013682It's literally less than half. Be part of the 61% that don't use that shit.
>>29013712Do you see that 0% is at a store or gas station or the other random places that anon listed he got banned from? Stop bothering women in random places where they're just trying to get a task done, creepy fucks
Bruh what's with this schizo recounting his stories of doing nothing around hot girls
>>29013481So how do i tap that fat ass of hers
>>29011324>bet you would look nice in a dress>aww thanks but YOUR legs are so nice, you don't even have to wear a dress!This sounds like two women having a conversation. I can't even tell which one is the man since you both mention wearing dresses. The fuck. Unless she's esl, I don't see how this is flirting
>>29007755That's a gross oversimplification, and you know it. I love this facile argument that everyone who has a girlfriend must be some kind of lothario who went to flirtation school, and that women have infallible judgement when it comes to choosing partners. Do you HONESTLY believe that to be the case? Maybe some of us just have rotten luck, eh? Maybe women are drawn to certain types of men, many of whom aren't suitable mates?
>>29013996It was a joke, and yes were both esl'sShes kinda tomboyish too, doesnt seem to wear normally feminine clothes
I slid in the DM's of a vtuber. We talk and we made each other cry with our emotional letters.
OkayA girl has been obsessing over me now for quite some time, but I don't like her because she seems too far gone. She doesn't act like a whore, but she is someone who doesn't have any real interests/hobbies, and she has reached a level of irony that makes it extremely hard for me to understand what she really means. She knows I'm very traditional, and she tries to act a little misogynistic or racist when she is around me, "yeah women having voting rights is stupid", "I'm so straight/being gay is weird", "yeah I'm really white", and it's just embarrassing - I don't trust her for it, because it's just so plastic to me. I'm a very outgoing and blunt person when it comes to my opinions, so I this unattractive.I also gave her one of my Catholic catechism books, and she actually did read the whole thing, although she seems to not have taken it as seriously as I'd liked her to. She's not ugly, she is pretty, she is a bit on the heavier side though. At this stage though, I'd rather be a spiritual counsellor for her.Do you fellas reckon there is a way to actually change her entirely? I understand that I might only be able to do so much.
>>29013535Do you think the thicc girl was attracted to me?
>>29012918I think you need to repent and ask God to forgive you.
>hot girls show interest, approach you or have a positive response when you approach them >girls way less attractive reject you when you cold approach themI think this is why it's so important to play the numbers game. You stop being fazed by rejection when you know there are other hotter girls who like you and who you have success with. I'm not there yet despite doing hundreds of daygame approaches but hopefully I'll get there.
>>29001673I met my virgin wife at an airport when she was traveling with her grandmother. There is no one answer, but the hardest to meet women will be in the places or situations that they won't be approached.
why do i feel absolutely defeated when a girl who is less educated than me, makes less than me, barely participates in society, and has little to no friends is ignoring me. I feel like im always doing something fun or cool (usually when I post about new things I'm doing someone will reach out and tell me how cool/funny/nice it is), and I always want to bring her along, but she completely ignores me every time
>>29015315Maybe she notices that you are narcissist?
>>29015315You have oneitis
>>29015315I'm actually not a narcissist. I know thats how my post comes across, but I'm just explaining the situation as it is. went to college, she didnt, i work on concert setup, her a gas station, she has on multiple occassions said "nah, I can't be bothered to vote" and she openly admitted (at the time) she didn't really like talking to anybody regularly except me and one other person.I don't really care about what I'm doing, but when I post pictures of it other people say it looks for or it looks cool so I have to assume most people think its cool or interesting. I offered to bring her to one of the concerts I travel for or to just take her out to dinner when Im in the city, and she ignores meLike, I know I could probably pull some other random woman into all this and they might want to fuck around for a few days, but I'm too focused on why this one treats me like I don't exist to care
Is it worth getting a real camera to take better pictures for dating apps?
>>29015440actually if youre unattractive WORSE cameras work in your favour because the lack of detail hides your ugly features
>>29015436It's not worth trying to figure out a stranger's psychology, especially when you know it's not on youAlso I get why you think a girl with not much going for her would cling to somebody who has their shit together, but I suspect at the end of the day people tend to prefer dating those with a similar class and background. I've also had something like this happen to me, where a girl who was surprised I was giving her the time of day chose a bum over me. The more I look back on it, the more I think it was inevitable that she go back to what she was used to. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some theories or statistics to support my hypothesis
girl at work is taken, but I still try and flirt a little by teasing her (sometimes verbally, other times goofing around like getting in the way deliberately) she always grins and teases me back (or initiates it herself) she's not an idiot so i'm sure she knows i'm into her. i'm not looking for success here but more just putting my poor confidence demons to rest. is it reasonable to assume she might be attracted to me back? even though it's not possible for anything to happen because they're commited, it would still make me feel a bit better being into her if I was confident she felt at least something back (and yeah I'm doing what I can to fix myself up otherwise, losing weight and going out more with friends, i'm an introvert but being around people is good for me anyways)
>>29015490I just hate that I can try so hard to be the best version of me possible, and I'm still not good enough for anybody. I miss her so much bros
>>29015570I'd say she's attracted but probably isn't interested in taking it any further. A lot of girls like to entertain other guys, it doesn't mean they're going to cheat (I know that's not what you're asking), but I also don't think they'd like it from guys they weren't interested in at all
>>29015620thank you, I mean it. i'm trying to drag myself out of this pit but due to some incredibly shitty old friends, there's a part in me that still refuses to believe anybody could be attracted to me (even though I've been TOLD times before that some girls were into me, I always brushed it off)
I've taken to secretly touching women's hair on the train if they're sat in front of me. That's how desperate I am for female contact lmao
>>29015634Yeah after growing up not very social or attractive it takes a long, long time to start seeing yourself as attractive even with an overwhelming amount of evidence. Even then there are still times when I doubt it, but you just have to learn to keep reminding yourself of those times when somebody was undoubtedly attracted to you
>>29015570I was in the same situation. She is attracted to you but isn't a cheater. Just keep taking to her and keep the door open until he fucks up. Then make your move. I'm dating the girl I was in that situation in. I was also fat when I met her now I'm 95 pounds lighter. I however was always aware I have good looks, I was just fat. You can do it if you actually like her.
>>29015784>>29015667alright cheers guys, I appreciate the advice and kind words.
>>29016062And you too. I hope you live that girl as much as I love mine. I'm going to marry mine.
>>29015634>>29015667>>29015784we can do it, bros. down almost 25kg since start of march and didnt even go back into depression when i got rejected recently.
>>29016110A year ago I never thought I would be able to wear a small shirt. They always looked so, tiny to me. Yet, here I am.
>>29006489Depends on the girl, some girls do this weird thing that they look at you like a scared deer with her eyes wide open, all red on face and just froze in place without saying anything
So, I asked out this girl at work like a year ago and she rejected me. But she still flirts with me all the time at work, we talk every now and then over messenger and she always views my stories and likes my profile picture. What is going on? Should I ask her out again?Just stop replying, viewing her stories and liking her posts?
>>29016534flirt back if you're interested.
>>29016539I am and do, but feel like if I ask her out again, I'm getting rejected again
>>29016673do it, it was a fucking year ago
I've decided it's impossible to find a girlfriend. Every other fucker has one except for me. I can't even conceive the possibility of me attracting a woman. Even though I'm above-average height, in good shape, and take care of myself. I simply can't imagine a woman being interested in me, because it never happens. The only thing I'm sure of is that whatever women are into, it evidently isn't me.
Am I stupid for thinking that the order of operations is wife/serious gf -> then house?I moved back with my parents for a lucrative job, and I've been living with them to dave money. Dating has been terrible; it's a semi-rural area - and people are either in their small town cliques or are trashy wiggers. I don't see any realistic chances of dating a woman that's not gross and trashy.My parents think I should buy land or a house here because it's relatively affordable, but I don't know if I want to be chained to a place I hate because can't find a decent date by a mortgage.
>>29017105Smart move. Problem is, you're only getting older while living at home. what IS your plan?
I'm 25, just rotate between work, gym, and home. I make decent money but I'm lonely, any recommendations on how to make friends and meet girls? What's the process like? How do I develop those social skills?
Me and my GF have been talking about sex lately, planning to start messing around soon. She told me today that her vagina is the only part of her body shes self concious about. Saying it doesnt look look as good as say the ones in porn. Should I tell her that most porn stars don't even have nice looking vaginas? I don't know what hers looks like yet but its either way better or something out of a nightmare.
Guys, have you ever taken a good look at how men in relationships look and behave? Do you think they spend any lenght of time on looksmax, pua forums, or anonymous mongolian basket weaving boards discussing strategies as if they were for video games? Do they look like they take extreme measures to appear more than they really are? Do they all look like Magnus AlphaChads, or do they look NORMAL? I don't know about you, but I've seen people in relationships who are bald, fat, not in the best of shapes, don't have a six pack, don't have perfect hairlines, don't have hunter eyes or chad jawline, don't have millions in the bank, etc. And why do you think they have a gf and you don't? Let me tell you, these men are not insecure and emit a strong sexual aura through their behaviour, on top of that, they are FOR SURE good at the ancient art of sex. This means they fuck their women and fuck them well. Their women are satisfied after an intercourse, they look forward to their man coming home and making them come. When this doesn't happen the woman ALWAYS leaves the man! ALWAYS! And this is what separates a RELATIONSHIP from a FRIENDZONE, the woman wanting to have sex with the man. So how do you get in a relationship? You have to emit a strong sexual aura that makes females attracted to you sexually. They are attracted to you when they fantasize about you fucking them. This is literally all you need, you fools. That is also why you should NEVER EVER say you are a virgin even if you are.So, to recap: 0. DO NOT BE INSECURE.1. Look and behave in an assertive and confident way2. Look your best without overdoing it as it screams insecurity3. Look like you know what sex is and how to do it4. Never, ever say you are a virgin or that you are bad at sex, say the opposite if the topic comes up
>>29017279I don't really buy any of this shirt. I've seen plenty of milquetoasts with girlfriends. And yet when I try to be more assertive and confident, it doesn't make any fucking difference. I think some of us are just cursed by fate.
>>29017148>What is your plan?So far, careermaxx in this new job for the next 2 years so I can crack six figures in the next one (which would be a realistic promotion, based on where I am now). Ideally, I would move back to where I was working previously. The overall job market is better, and towards the end of last year I was there in my old job when I started taking dating seriously, I was actually getting somewhere with it. This town I'm in now would be a good place to raise a family. But I couldn't realistically afford to buy a plot, and rent back where I started having success dating. Romance on my current locale seems completely hopeless based on the last year of trying, but 30 is coming in a few years and I'm not going to look dramatically better unless I hop on steroids or something equally drastic.
>>29017279They're just content to fuck medically obese women if they didn't meet someone in HS or College.
>>29017279Not a single tine in your post did you mention, being nice to her. Incel is an incurable disease.
How did I do guys? I went straight to the point. Anything I should improve on?
>>29017294Are you sure that you aren't so addicted to pua shit and forums that normalfags looks like milquetoasts to you? You don't have to act like Christian Gray in real life to attract a woman. You have to be normal + confident + emit strong sexual aura. Another thing that usually happens, is that the guy behaved well to attract the girl, but then starts taking her for granted and starts acting like that. When this happens, from what I've seen, the relationship is usually doomed unless the guy is really good at sex.>>29017336That doesn't need to be explicitly said. Of course you have to be nice. Again look at how people with gf behave, they are usually very nice to their gf. To be nice is implied when I said to be assertive and confident. People who are not nice are also not confident, and not being nice is a sign of insecurity most of the time (or mental illness but it's also implied that mentally ill freaks are not attractive by default). Being an asshole might attract a girl when you are 14 but not when you are old enough to post on 4chan.
>>29017336Being nice doesn't matter. Being nice is easy, but it has no bearing on how you do with women - inasmuch as you don't confuse "nice" with "showing no sexual interest"
>>29017294>And yet when I try to be more assertive and confident,>tryThink I found the problem.
>>29017354>>29017294Anyway it seems like I need to tell you how to be confident, in other words, how to NOT be insecure. What do insecure people do? They usually straight out act insecure, have clear behavioral issues, or they put up acts to appear confident.Examples of behavior that will immediately destroy your confident image: Being jumpy or nervous if physical contact happensNot looking people in the eyes or not being able to hold eye contact for more than a few secondsClaiming you are virgin or that you are bad at sex, have a small dick, or that you have ED or PE even as a jokeClaiming that things that normies like are below you, this includes looking "out of the loop"Staying silent during group chitchat, or not laughing when other people laughLooking visibly sad or depressed or like your feet hurt and you'd rather be at home playing vidyaExamples of acting insecure: Being scared to do things that normies normally do without issues, such as going to a social gatheringBeing avoidant, or looking like you want to isolate yourselfBeing easily offended or not being able to take a jokeLooking like you really fucking care about a physical defect of yoursExamples of coping mechanisms insecure people use: Trying too hard, such as flaunting your wealthBeing an asshole or mean to others for no reason (this includes being openly racist)Trying to put people down instead of raising them upNever showing gratitudeNever saying sorry if you fuck upNEVER DO ANY OF THIS SHIT or your confident image will crumble!
>>29017377Blablabloo. I give up. There are forces beyond our understanding and control. There are dozens of men out there who stumble their way into a relationship. There's nothing particularly outstanding or remarkable about them, but they're still able to find a woman who likes them. There's nothing out there for me. Women have made it painfully clear that they have no interest. If it was going to happen, it would've happened by now.
>>29017431His bigger problem is not having female friends to go to social gatherings with. That's 90% of guys' problems, assuming they aren't obese or whatever
>>29015315>>29015436I mean first of all, you come across as undeservedly full of yourself (you went to college and have a shitty job while she didn't go and also has a shitty job - but you consider yourself better for that somehow?? It's not like you're an engineer or doctor or some shit) so that in itself is off putting. But I'm 100% sure she's also better looking than you, which is why you're her friend and nothing else in the first place. She's not into you, get over it and stop feeling entitled to her attention because of the pathetic things you consider "accomplishments"
>>29017463Getting a business degree and making $50k isn't impressive. Don't get me wrong, having a degree looks good to women: hence why tradies who make more than that anon often seem to end up with single-moms named Cheyenne with a mulatto bastard in tow. But the Cheyennes of the world are more than what he's getting.
>>29017448This is true, but even if you don't have female friends, you can make some if you have a social circle, even if small. Unless your social circle is all male weirdos and freaks, you can probably meet girls in clubs after you go with your male friends. It will for sure be much harder and it will require some chad traits, but still not impossible to make female friends in clubs.A great way to make easy female friends is at work. Coworkers usually meet up after work to socialize, and often people from outside the office are invited by other coworkers, and you can make female friends this way. This is probably the best bet for most people here and for people who missed out on their chances at school\uni\whatever. If the company doesn't have a no-dating policy, you can also date your coworkers (risky but it can be done, safest bet is with fixed-term employees, inters, and other people who will FOR SURE leave the company after some time).Another way to make female friends is courses and classes after work (including dance classes unironically if you're into that sort of shit), and volounteer work.
>>29017536I have never seen a woman under 40 at a social dance class outside of a college town. This seems like a pre-iPhone PUA meme that gets endlessly regurgitated by people who have never tried it and don't know a single person that met his gf or wife at one. A lot like/pol/cels who don't go to church telling people "you'll meet a girl at church."
>>29017575I am the guy you quoted and a friend of mine who was 25 at the time met an older woman (and later became a couple) at a dance class so it can be done for sure if you're into older women. I guess she was 30 at the time. That's why I said "unironically", it does work if you're into that sort of thing.
>>29017594I tried several. It was a retirement home, even in a heavily latino city.
women are not worth it
>>29017612Whatever gives you cope.
>>29017604My country is not very racially diverse so maybe it's different here :D
>>29016110>25g kg since marchholy shit anon, what do you weigh now?
Before I got a GF I didnt know what I was missing. Girls are so fucking soft man. Just squishy and warm. When they lay on top of you they are heavy but in such a pleasant way. Not like when your cat sits in your lap and you get tired of it after a bit. Their lips so so soft, Its like an electric charge that goes through your body when you kiss them. Then if that wasnt good enough, when you get just a little bit of their spit left on your lips after the kiss, Or if that was not already as good as it can get, when you full on open mouth kiss them and feel the inner parts of their mouth. And the smell. Girls smell so fucking good. Just entering in to their room where they spend most of their time is enough to make you high. Just glad I found a great one and I get to take my time exploring all these sensations.
I want to date a woman with a history of being a homewrecker. How do I find one? I'm a single man, btw.
>at a party with a girl I like and have been talking with>she's awfully touchy feely and leans in real close when talking with me>recently hung out alone just us two, made plans to do so again tomorrow>says she's in a long distance relationship>tells everyone she's a lesbian, but when it was just us two talking she told me she was only half lesbianWhat do? On one hand signs she wants to fuck are all there, on the other hand I can easily see myself falling in love with her, and I don't know if that would be a good idea.
>>29017661Good to know. Early next month, can't wait.
>>29017857>tells you she wants to cheat with youYeah, sounds like the perfect mother for your children.
>On tinder>Butterface with huge tits>Nothing but a snapchat in bio>Say fuck it and add her even though we didn't match. Never done that before.>Blocked instantly>Few days later>She matches with meWhat's the play here? I added her because I figured hey maybe a girl I could never match with will accept the random add and I could stand out somehow that way. That completely backfired, but we actually did match. How do I recover this? I have never matched a girl this thin with tits this huge.
>>29017909Could have just been a kneejerk reaction. Give her a chance. Women are impulsive.
>>29017634im at 93kg atm from aprox 115kg at the end of february.started perdiodic fasting (18:6) and going to the gym and cut all sugary drink and most avoid every food with more than 5g sugar per 100g and went close to keto but not quite. could probably lost more if i also cut the sugar-free sodapops and only drank water.going to the gym almost every day (5-6 days out of a week).and almost no fast food at all (like twice a month at most so far).it really helped that i had a small mental breakdown episode and didnt have to work that first month so i could go out and powerwalk early in the morning.
>>29018004oh and basically cut my caloric intake in half or more i think.
How do I get a girlfriend when I can't get any matches on the apps and theres no women around anywhere irl? The only other place to look to meet women is at clubs and/or bars but I'm looking for wife material.
>>29018084give yourself to the lord jesus and then join a church and hit on young women.
Sooo would you guys date a chubby girl? Pretty face.
>>29018289As long as her silhouette is sill womanly, probably. Most are just blobs though.Hips wider than shoulders, tits past her belly, round ass, sure. Are you asking because you're thinking of doing it?
>>29018084>can't get any matches on the appsBecause you feel entitled to women out of your league, or because genuinely no one at all sends you likes?
>>29018371Yeah. Not to sound like an asshole but honestly, she's right on the line between just chubby and actually fat. Kind of a flat butt. Other than that pretty cute.
>>29017347She's barely interested and you sound like you're trying too hard.>>29018289Don't do it, have some self-respect. Unless she's literally the best you can do and you aren't working on yourself either in which case do what you will I guess.
I'm going to a bar-concert tomorrow night for the first time in my life. I have bad social skills and want to practise my social skills. Is this a bad idea? I'm not looking to make friends. But meet new people and talk with them.
>>29018511>Have some self-respectLook man. I'm not gonna pull any 9/10s any time soon. This girl has at least a 6-7/10 face and nice tits. Plus she likes good movies.
>>29018562>nice titsAll fat girls have “nice tits” (bloated).
>>29018560It's probably a good idea. If its rock, expect anyone under 40 to be a fat neckbeard, and most people to be old.But chatting on the patio with the smokers between sets is one of the easiest places to talk to people.>>29018511He's presumably American. Any girl that's not fat has an extraordinarily gassed up ego.
>>29018562You're lowering your standards for yourself. It's your life though dude, do what you will. Maybe you can get her in the gym and reap the benefits of making her hot, but you also lose the right to be surprised if she leaves you once she gets hot. This is assuming she'd go for that anyways. >Plus she likes good movies.the fact that you think this is a green flag is bad. You don't choose a romantic partner for their taste in movies or music.
>>29018629>It's probably a good idea. If its rock, expect anyone under 40 to be a fat neckbeard, and most people to be old.It is rock! I had a look at some photos and there's quite a few women. It is sort of an indie band.>But chatting on the patio with the smokers between sets is one of the easiest places to talk toI don't smoke :( Is it easy to just talk to people in the bar? Bars are menat to be social.
>>29018636Idk what you want from me. I'm just trying to be realistic. Yeah I could lie to myself that if I spend enough time in the gym (I already go 6 days a week), hot skinny women will suddenly start liking me, or I could just accept what I already know is true. You can't outlift your face or your personality. I hate coming to this thread in particular because it's full of larping retards who unironically think of themselves as "alpha", don't want to be like that.>You don't choose a romantic partner for their taste in movies or musicYou really think I'm just a bumbling retard don't you? I wouldn't even be considering it if I didn't like her as a person also. Us having similar interests is just a bonus.
>>29018683>I had a look at some photos and there's quite a few womenYeah. That's the photos they put up to get guys to spend their money on the cover. In reality it's going to be a sausagefest and the women are going to be old.>I don't smoke :(You don't need to, you autistic nigger. I didn't say that you should smoke. I said "chat with smokers on the patio". If you're going to be going to rock shows often, you're going to be dealing with a lot of smokers.>Is it easy to just talk to people in the bar?Yes. But it's easier out on the patio with the smokers; it's a more laid back atmosphere, it's quieter, and so on. These days, half the people are vaping anyway.
>>29018686>You really think I'm just a bumbling retard don't you?Yes. You come across like every other bumbling late-20s gymcel-careercel type that thought that he could outlift his face and introversion.
>>29018710>That's the photos they put up to get guys to spend their money on the cover. In reality it's going to be a sausagefest and the women are going to be old.Haha maybe. It's a somewhat popular bar so maybe there'll be other women there too. I wouldn't mind chatting to a qt in her thirties tho haha.>you're going to be dealing with a lot of smokers.Fair enough, even though I hate smoking I'll go out and put myself out there.
>>29018738>didn't even read my post
>>29018738>>29018686As an outside observer, yeah you do seem like kind of a golem who sees no value in yourself and who gains no worth from your ambitions.You don't seem like a bumbling retard though, you are a very efficient golem well suited for manual labor.
>>29018750Well, fair i guess. I've been pretty miserable for the past 5-6 years. But who hasn't?
>>29018738>that thought that he could outlift his face and introversion.You can.
>>29018772Obviously he can't if he's on a 6-day split and only has the looks to pull a fatty.
>>29018779He said chubby not fat.
>>29018686Actual person you were responding to. Let me address each point you made individually>or I could just accept what I already know is true. You can't outlift your face or your personality.I don't even know what you mean by this. You're saying you go to the gym six days a week but also seem to not care? Which one is it? Also one of the major benefits of being a guy is that you absolutely can up your value by being physically fit. High value men will pass on fit girls with a mid face all the time. > I wouldn't even be considering it if I didn't like her as a person also. Us having similar interests is just a bonus.Similar interests is a nice bonus sure, it shouldn't be the second thing you say to back up your decision to seriously pursue this girl. When you say "like her as a person" define that for me. What do you specifically like? What attributes does she have that are attractive to you. What about her personality. Does she have similar goals? Are you dating to marry or just seeing where things go and fucking around?This is my first time posting in one of these threads. You seem kind of like an oddity. You seem to want advice (it's a dating advice thread) but you also seem to be extremely retaliatory about anyone's criticisms of your choice, which suggests on some level you actually are insecure about the prospect of dating a chubby girl and what it might say about you. If you were actually as secure and fine with it as you claim to be you wouldn't be asking for approval and you wouldn't be lashing out or trying to rationalize it by coping that you aren't and don't want to be an "alpha male".
>>29018784Chubby is a cope, like everything else he's posted itt. She's 100% fat.Besides merely chubby chicks are an oddity these days. The female species has bifurcated into gymthots and slobs, with little in-between.
>>29018790>You're saying you go to the gym six days a week but also seem not to care?I go because it makes me feel good. I just don't think lifting enough means I'll suddenly start being able to date dimes when I never was before.>What do you specifically like?She's very intelligent. She's a mech major. She's kind of nerdy which matches my personality. >You seem to want advice but also seem to be extremely retaliatory about anyone's criticisms of your choiceMaybe I am insecure about it a little, difficult as it is to admit. But I think the people itt are being dismissive of her simply because she's not a dime. I don't want to lie to myself and accept cope advice from gymcels/improovers who clearly haven't been successful with women to begin with or they wouldn't need to be in here championing their bullshit. I'm not just bury my head in the sand hoping for an 8/10 to come along when she won't.>>29018801Whatever you say bud.
>>29018430No likes at all other than the occasional bot, so I know Im not banned
>>29018742Bumping this. How common would this kind of reaction be: >>29017744
What's the fine line between giving a woman attention, and simping?
>>29018511You're right I can't be doing that will note for the future
>>29018907>>29018511So how do I not come across as trying to hard?
>>29018852>mech majorI take it all back she’s based. Okay but in all seriousness I still think dating this girl on the premise that you think she’s the best you can get is not only sad but also kind of insulting if you do actually care about her feelings. Imagine if she knew you felt this way. Imagine if she knew you felt both embarrassed but also prepared to settle. I’m glad that you lift because you like the way it feels, but that doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive from lifting to up your attractiveness to girls and make yourself a higher value/well rounded man. Also, while it’s good that she’s intelligent I’d also point out that assuming you’re looking for someone for something serious you should be looking for a girl who is more traditionally feminine. Do you know if she’s serious about dating? Do you know if she wants a family? I’d try to poke around and find out what she really wants. Don’t waste her time and don’t waste yours either, not saying you can’t date for the sake of dating but at least set some expectations.
>>29018920I guess you're right. I'm kind of ashamed to even be talking about her like this, like she's a cut of meat or something. >I’d also point out that assuming you’re looking for someone for something serious you should be looking for a girl who is more traditionally feminineI mean I'm only 22. Kind of just looking to see where it goes. If it evolves into a long-term relationship, then cool.
>>29018916Don’t ask if she wants to talk about something. It makes you look desperate and like you’re grasping for straws, if she was genuinely attracted to you you’d be able to tell by her texts, sorry to break it to you. She’s entertaining the idea of it which means you’re in a grey area in her head right now, which is better than nothing, but you’re going to fuck it up if you keep texting like that. I can only hope your personality shines through better in person.
>>29018926Its the first time I went with that approach actually just to throw the ball in her field I'd usually ask them out after the usual greetings but didn't want to come off as hasty this time around. At least I know for next time
>>29018925I respect you for saying that, also 22 is really young. You should absolutely not be looking for anything serious. I might get backlash for saying this but I’d take her on a few dates if I were you. Simply for the experience. Be a gentleman about it, you don’t have to fuck her or push the boundary towards anything sexual. Think of it as nothing more than experience. The main thing you’ll get from this is just humanizing her and ideally also losing whatever delusions or preconceived notions you may have about “this type” of girl. I recommend all young guys do this with multiple “types” of women. You might think you want a big titty goth gf? Date one. Think you want to date a gamer girl? Date one. Gym thot? Church girl? Etc. learning what you don’t like is as important as learning what you do like. I dated a cute gamer/e-girl type about 5 or 6 years ago and while the idea of it sounded fantastic going into it the reality was depressing. She didn’t work out (didn’t need to but the lifestyle mismatch was annoying) and would always want to drink/smoke. I found myself less and less attracted to her as the weeks went on despite the fact that she was definitely cute. I wouldn’t even consider taking a girl seriously until you’re in your late 20’s.
>>29018938There’s a fine line between lingering on a dating app/texts and being too hasty. You really just have to learn via experience and that’s a numbers game. A lot of girls these days will tell you that it genuinely can weird them out if a guy rushes it. (Of course you bypass this entirely if you’re attractive to them and they’re excited).
>>29018950Alright, thanks for the advice. We'll see how it goes with her.
>>29018954Cheers man even though I got a yes this time around I gotta have more respect for myself, especially for people I've never met. I guess the question now is how to ask a girl out while still keeping your dignity intact and not coming off as hasty but I'll learn with experience
>>29018971You always risk taking an L man, that’s never going to change. It also doesn’t have to be anything to do with you. You can cook a five star meal perfectly and serve it a hundred times to a hundred people and some people are just not going to find it to their taste. I’d also recommend that you talk to girls in person out in public if you get the chance. It’s great for your confidence and helps desensitize you to rejection (which will happen). Flirting with a girl in person and getting a number though is a top tier feeling.
I'm loosing my fucking sanity, each time I wanna pull up girls at the club I remain bitchless. I smile, I invite them to dance, I tell them we should go elsewhere, and then they fucking ghost me. What the fuck am I doing wrong? Why am I attracting more men instead of women? I make sure if the girl is on a group, I gotta let the group know I'm cool and shit (it really works, unless they're like family members). I end up making out, hugging a bitch, but never end up scoring like so many of you do. Hell I set up a date at the moment only for her to be like ''yeah uh cant do sorry! I'll let you know''. SO WHAT THE FUCK AM I DOING WRONG?!Guys its been like this for the past month or so please help me, I have long forgotten what pussy even smells like. No I don't need therapy all I need is a bad bitch to calm my nerves. If I don't get pussy by the end of this month I may just turn into a faggot>but you're alrea-an even bigger faggot then, and I dont want that monkeypox anytime soon
>29019184>for the past monthkys
>>29019184Are you going to the same places? If you're PUAsperging, you might be developing a reputation as a fucking weirdo.>I end up making out, hugging a bitch, but never end up scoring like so many of you doRealistically, I think there's just something offputting about you, if you can't beat last minute resistance.>SO WHAT THE FUCK AM I DOING WRONG?!Talking like a sperg. But realistically, you're mistake is thinking that girls at clubs are there to hook up with guys. They're there to have fun with friends and hook up with someone in that extended group at an afterparty.Realistically, what you're doing wrong is basing your entire strategy on what PUAs claimed to be doing 20 years ago (and not what they were actually doing: free drugs and parties at their bachelor pads).
>>29019189Yes sir, after this>>29019202>Are you going to the same places?Yeah. They're fun places with fun music. Bitches there love to twerk and make out with strangers, so you'd THINK they there looking for something else. >If you're PUAsperging, you might be developing a reputation as a fucking weirdo.Not a problem since its a tourist town thus a lot of people from everywhere in the republic>Realistically, I think there's just something offputting about you, if you can't beat last minute resistance.I try my best really. I shower, brush my teeth, bring good clothes. I've never really scored outside of 1 occasion where I fucked up terribly, so not all hope is lost for me.>realistically, you're mistake is thinking that girls at clubs are there to hook up with guys. They're there to have fun with friends and hook up with someone in that extended group at an afterpartyHuh. Now that you mention it, I go out to those places on my own, because I dont have many friends to hang around and do normie shit with. Very well, what should I start doing instead Anon? I sure can't invite girls from my town because its a small town and everyone knows eachother.
So, what do you do if it's literally impossible to attract a girlfriend? I'm fucking doomed or sumshit. Women just aren't into me. Meanwhile, I see all manner of guys finding gfs and wives. They're not all Chads and Badboys. All my self-improvement has been for naught, as there are unseen forces resigning me to loneliness. Is suicide the only act of rebellion against this accursed fate?
Okay guys, I'm going out to a bar by myself. First time ever. Lets fucking gooooo.
my friend works in a bar which my friends and i sometimes hang out in while he’s on shift, and a new girl has started working there recently. it’s pretty obvious she likes me and i think she’s cute tooproblem is she has this a new boyfriend (or in an extremely long talking phase) whos a real cringe lord Redditor and she’s way out of his league. it’s destined to fail, but is there anything i can do other than play the waiting game? or get my friend to tell me when it’s over?i haven’t outright hit on her yet, or ask for her number or anything similar
>>29020537there are twoso which one?