i've tried looking up on the internet but all i get is two different answers being either, i'm doomed to hell for eternity, i can hope for forgiveness but only after going to hell for a short period of time
Hell isn't real and religion is fake
>>28577689i'm cool with you believing that but it won't really change my mind about believing in the afterlife and religion
so basically its like this.The general rule isyou are doomed for eternity in hell for killing yourself , BUT there something else, no one can judge only god does, and he might forgive you, but no after death you can't beg for forgiveness, either he decides to forgive or not.
>>28577682I stopped bothering about Allah's commandments a long time ago. I am a brain surgeon in Tehran and I have affairs with some of the nurses on my staff. Allah wants to send me to hell for Zina then he can go ahead. He's probably the delusion of some primitive bandits, anyway.
>>28577718that's literally playing russian roulette at every possible level lel. thanks for your answer i guess i'll stick around a little longer>>28577769>he's probably the delusion of some primitive bandits, anywaythought the same thing until i decided to study all religions and deeply dived into studying the quran. i genuinely don't know how you can say it's manmade if you read it arabic. illiterate bedouins from the 7th century would have never been able to come up with that.
>>28577682Don't think of anything else to do? Like maybe visit a beach, talk to someone about your problems, eat spicy noodles or something?I personally know how it feels like but I ended calling the suicide hotline because I want to believe there's something good left, and usually it do.Since you are Muslim, why not pray? Pray for anything - ease, million dollars, marriage? Who knows it's going to happen?Brother, or sister, I have been there too, it hurtsBut then I try to think of my cat, I think of my family, most of all I shall love myself and bring myself out of the depression and suicidal thoughts by listening to lofi, eating yummu food, play some chess. I know many things that seems cool (it's not) are haram but it opens doors to so many other good things to do: I start to like engineering from this YouTube guy called 'engineerguy' watching him made me gain IQ points and made me feel better and confidence at work.Try to enjoy life anon, it's not haram to enjoy life as long as you don't go over the boundaries. Islam is logical and so far it does not disappoint me. Look at the sky, anon, enjoy what life has offer you that you may overlook.
>>28577854>Don't think of anything else to do?I mean to say "Don't you think of anything else to do?"Sorry, I typed too fast because I don't want you to miss my reply, I don't know who you are but I don't want you right now to commit suicide.Anon, just pray to Allah. Then try to take ablution, have some drink that you like, and try to solve any problem you have with certain serenity.
>>28577854i pray 5 times a day + almost every night and ask a lot during those prayers. maybe i'm just not sincere enough or maybe i did something horrible without noticing but like 1 year ago, everytime i asked for something, anything, would get it. so i know it works.i know i have a lot of cool stuff to do but what makes me want to stop living is being bullied by people i'll never be able to cut off from my life (most are my family). and yes i did try every approach to change their behaviour towards me and nothing worked. also the fact that i can't achieve anything is kinda depressing too lolspeaking about my problems isn't possible irl because i'm a man. i did try that with friends in the past and it just made me feel weird and uncomfortable. i feel a weird sense of euphoria and despair at the same time when i think about the fact that no one knows what i'm going/went through
>>28577682you will get doomed to hell for eternity
>>28577817>i genuinely don't know how you can say it's manmade if you read it arabicHe's Iranian, and Iranians are godless Shia imposters. If you ever listen to them, you will be setting your own self back.
>>28577944Are you in Europe or USA?As for the suicide question, I think you already know the answer. As for the underlying question, your problem is your environment, and you need to make plans to leave and move on. Discomfort is how you know it's time to move on
>>28577682im muslim and have recently been reading/listening to a lot of Kapil Gupta MD's work. While a lot of his beliefs conflict with Islam they resonated with me a lot. I started meditating for an hour a day and my suicidal thoughts started to kinda just not bug me. Then they disappeared. Try meditation alongside prayers anon, works wonders. Make sure the meditation is 30 mins to an hr.
>>28577682gonna be honest, being a muslim really sucks these days. even other muslims are insufferable pseudo-jews/christians at this point. id say the modern attitude towards suicide has to do with proving to white people that suicide is a sin, so muslims can distance themselves from suicide bombings. this leads to an environment where you can't have an open and honest talk about suicide or express the view that it might not necessarily be a bad thing.
>>28580831I'm too young to know. What was it like being a Muslim before 9/11?
>>28580889I was too young to remember but it wasn't great either but things were more leniant back then I guess. Our own communities weren't obsessed with policing our behavior to avoid pissing off the authorities, that was the main difference. The internet was fairly unpoliced back then too, so you could say whatever you want. After 9/11, that wasn't possible anymore.
>>28577682Convert to christianity and accept Jesus and all your sins are forgiven even suicide
>>28577682anon this is the last place to be asking questions like this but maybe it's all you have, Allah knows best. you should look for answer in the tafsir.
>>28577769Why would a brain surgeon post on here.
>>28577682>i've tried looking up on the internetIsn't this a typical topic you could discuss with your imam? Takbir
>>28581698Muslims already accept Jesus. Why don't you try converting the Jews?
>>28582342Yeah, but do you also accept that he died for your sins and that through him and only him you will be able to enter the kingdom of heaven? Muhammed is a false prophet, the bible warned of his kind.
>>28577682Religions are outdated anyway and the future of spirituality lies in NDEs as they are real and prove that there is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die. And while the Bible and the Qu'ran convinces few people who do not already believe, the book in pic related is known to convince even hardened skeptics that there is an afterlife. So abandon Islam and study the NDE literature instead anon, and you will find the peace of mind you need to commit suicide, knowing that you will go straight to paradise despite killing yourself.Here is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real:https://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7oIt emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out:https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist >"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, "An afterlife definitely exists"."Since NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE you realize that life is the dream and the NDE world is the real world.Or as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE:>"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved."
Cripple retarded nigger
>>28577817>illiterate bedouins from the 7th century would have never been able to come up with that.religion existed long before the big 3 whether it be in the form animism or more tribalistic shit
Why would you care for forgiveness after killing yourself? Your priority list needs serious revision
>>28584909are you that fucking retarded? why would he care going to hell for eternity if he killed himself? I knew atheist are retards but goddamn didn't they THAT dumb
>>28584943Because the question is fundamentally stupid.>Will I be forgiven for violating an unforgivable act?
Brother, do not do it. Remember the struggles of the Sahabah that none of us will ever experience. The pain of the Prophets. They made it through, you can too. A soul is not burdened more than it can bare (paraphrased ayah). I may have no clue as to what you have gone through but keep going. Every trial has a meaning to it in this whole web that is His Plan. It is good to have hope for the hereafter; however, the one who kills himself will keep killing himself in Hell (Bukhari 1365). If you want to speak to personally, I'll be happy to help. Just don't kill yourself; there is a reason why it is haram. Hope or no hope, do what is right till the end. At least then, we can stand happy on the day of Judgement with our books in our rights.Discord: SuitSerpent#7920If your mental health can not take it, do these things: pray tahajjud and scream out to Allah. It will work if you are sincere. It worked for me when my iman was low and I was given the gift of it after consistently praying during the night. It works brother. Also, repeat dhikr. I heard doing it in the early morning gives contentment as said in hadith.You have the gift of Iman. The thing that many do not have. Something that is worth more than anything in this world. Do not kill yourself and lose the benefits of this gift. If you think no one cares about you, Allah cares about you more than you do about yourself. Your ummah is waiting for you in Paradise. Your house is waiting for you Jannah. Don't let yourself or your brothers down. Have pride in your religion and do not falter.
>>28582861>Muhammed is a false prophetLooks like out of the two of us, you're the one rejecting prophets. Same as the Jews reject Jesus, you reject MuhammadAlso, Jesus never said he planned on dying for anybody's sins
>>28577702Ok, to each their own. Glad we were able to talk this out.
>>28581827>>28582203i'm a revert, i don't know anyone irl i can talk to about this
>>28584814>The future of spirituality lies in ND-*plays Mississippi Queen"
>>28577817>illiterate bedouins from the 7th century would have never been able to come up with that.That's literally the argument used for the Book or Mormon>Joseph Smith, a poor illiterate farm boy, would not have been able to write the Book of Mormon by himself.
Brother, if you kill yourself it means a free ticket to hell which is a stupid way to lose in this life. Instead fight for a better version of yourself. Revive your iman with Allah. ALLAH WONT LET YOU ALONE.
>>28587714I'm not OP, but thank you anon. My life feel difficult right now. And your reply made me feel better already.
>>28577682If you kill yourself you will spend eternity surrounded by 44 young virgins.Unfortunately they will all be 4chan incels.
>>28577682Allah isn't real. Muhammad was a pedophile. You won't go to hell because no such thing exists.
>>28577682You're going to hell anyway, so why does it matter muzzie?If you want to die feeling like you did right by your child raping prophet, maybe you should volunteer to some muslim group (they are always at war with each other, go figure) and wage jihad against the infidels.