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Is turning 30 basically the end/wall for women? Don't they go crazy at this age if they don't have kids? Should I just avoid dating 30+ year olds.
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>>27360475
Kind of yeah. My mom got married at 31 or so and struggled with both kids and couldn’t even have any more after. Literally infertile by 35. Plus both of us have horrible depression and other mental health issues, in addition to me having many physical issues as a kid. I think I am also schizoid but that’s undiagnosed.
It means they are in the danger zone and have <5 years to have a kid, who will probably have crippling health issues. Tough spot to be in.
Let’s just say that no woman dreams of waiting till their 30s to get married. They all want it before or never. But girls fall into it all the time. I have been stringing along my gf for almost 3 years now. She will be in her late 20s before she’s even looking for a guy when I move on. It is hardly her fault, so hopefully guys will be understanding about it.
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>>27360475
>Should I just avoid dating 30+ year olds.
The only men that date girls above 18 are forced to.
Anything else is cope.
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no because betas still date them, i guess, specially those stem guys who are basedboys, the other stem guys who have a little bit of value in themselves and respect date -25 yr olds
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>>27360475
Girls should be having kids when they are teenagers
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>>27360475
>Is turning 30 basically the end/wall for women?
No, especially considering how more and more women are following in the path of the traditionally male role of forgoing starting a family to build their career from the ages of 20-30.

>Don't they go crazy at this age if they don't have kids?
No. Some women want kids and some don't.

>Should I just avoid dating 30+ year olds.
Everybody is different, anon. There's no special magical spell that kicks in for anybody when they turn 30. People are single for lots of different reasons. Try talking to individual people instead of using /r9k/ memes to make broad generalizations.
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>>27360529
copeposters are dumbest on 4chan
inb4 cope
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>>27360475
No. Even if it were, it doesn't matter. For each year beyond the age of twenty, women slowly but surely grow apathetic towards being carefree, having fun, socialising, dating and so on.

The experiences, tribulations, lust, heartbreak and simply going through the motions changes their personality and outlook on life.

If you want something *more* from a woman who's a little older, the key things to consider are things like educational background, sexual history, former friend groups, trips abroad, etc. You don't want to date someone who's been to college or university, she has high standards and projects her own experiences onto men, expecting them to have the same wants and needs relative to what she has done in the past when fulfilling her wants and desires until adequately satiated for years to come; the same applies to sexual proclivities. She is defined by her past and background.
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>>27360952
I'd just like to add that there are men who meet the aforementioned criteria for those women and that's fine. But you need to be on a matching wavelength and in a similar place/stage in life for it to ever work.
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>>27360475
i'm 40 and married. i get the feeling that single women close to my age feel invisible. i'd talk to some of them and alot of them light up like "omg you noticed me?!?!?" as if they hadn't had anyone do that in a while.
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>>27360532
>specially those stem guys who are basedboys
you mean reddit posters
they usually date girls their own age cause they actually do that half your age gap times pi divided by 7 times today's horoscope numbers with 3 dice rolls and so they don't gate girls that are like 18 months younger than them or more.
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>>27360475
She's cute.
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The wall is cope. The average 30+ year old roastie still has higher SMV than the average male. They'll still get hookups easily, they'll probably still get married (even if it's to a man they don't actually like) and they'll still pop out autistic future incels. Women legitimate do get to have their cake and eat it, they really don't lose.
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>>27360475
Naw idk
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>The wall is cope. The average 30+ year old roastie still has higher SMV than the average male. They'll still get hookups easily, they'll probably still get married (even if it's to a man they don't actually like) and they'll still pop out autistic future incels. Women legitimate do get to have their cake and eat it, they really don't lose.
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>>27360475
>Is turning 30 basically the end/wall for women?
That depends on a lot of factors. Some women hit the fucking wall at 22.
>Genetics
If she's hot when she's young and she takes care of herself, chances are high she'll be hot enough at 30+ to attract sexual attention. Will she be hot enough to attract a man she's attracted to physically and can marry without being cheated on? That gets iffy.
>Sexual Market Value
Men will stick their dicks in a wet tree stump. So even heinously ugly women will be able to bend over and get fucked by *someone* almost no matter the age. But again it comes back to will they be able to get fucked by someone they're actually physically attracted to who will *stick around*? That gets iffy.
>Money
There is a whole generation of women finding out that their career isn't as fulfilling as they thought it would be (go fucking figure) and that having their own $$ doesn't mean shit when it comes to men.
>https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/no-amount-of-money-or-success-can-make-up-for-a-lonely-or-unsatisfying-love
>No Amount Of Money Or Success Can Make Up For A Lonely Or Unsatisfying Love Life
Super scientific source there but that's been my experience too. I literally used to warn ex girlfriends who were acting like trash that it would happen. They kept acting like trash.
>Don't they go crazy at this age if they don't have kids?
Yes and no. Many people gaslight themselves. How long they gaslight themselves is a personal choice. Some people lie themselves into the grave. A lot of women are surviving on copium. They say they're "GGGGGRRRREAT!" like Tony the Tiger but that's just the face they put on in the morning.
>Should I just avoid dating 30+ year olds.
That depends. There are pros and cons. If you're looking for desperate women you're more likely to find them after 30. If you're looking for crazy women, you're more likely to find them after 30. If you're looking for women with their own money, 30+.
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>>27360685
So, yes? In other words yes?
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>>27360475
my gf and i are 37. she's supermodel hot, down to earth, and took care of herself. prob easily turned off like i am. no make up no perfume, no deo, was always in shape. i dont know why she lets me kiss her honestly
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>>27360475
They still won't date you.

39 I quit dating a year ago because even a 35 year old woman's standards are too fucking high. Listen honey your tits are starting to sag you can't lose the belly that you started growing and have 2 kids. No one is going to date you and you still act like normal guys don't exist.
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>>27361373
somebodys upset
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>>27361379
Na just pointing it out. Not dating has saved me oodles of money. Bitches ain't worth it.
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>>27360475
incels are stupid on every issue. "the wall" arrives at different ages for everyone. some people hit it before they're twenty. and the severity of the "impact" also varies.
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>>27361396
and yeah I don't distinguish between manosphere PUA or incel and neither should you
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>>27361353
> i dont know why she lets me kiss her honestly
Because she's cheating on you. You're the "makes me feel good, tells me he loves me, etc." guy. The other guys you don't know about are the "30 minutes in his car, met him from Tinder" guys.
>she'll brb, she needed to go to the store
I'm kidding but I've dated a woman like that. If you're wondering how the fuck you're with her... it's because you're not the only one "with" her.
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>>27360475
Older women are fucking awesome, dude. Younger girls often don't really know what they want and will play around, change their mind, etc.
A lady in her 30s and up will look you over, decide whether she wants to fuck you or not, and just lay it out right there. Maybe she won't, but at least she'll let you know right away.
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I met my wife when I was 17 and she was 21, I love her so much bros (I’m 35 now).
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>>27361497
Oh wow, you've known her for over half your life now! Congratulations!
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>>27361102
this is the truth. i've seen it with my own eyes
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>>27361102
Nah, the wall is real. It doesn't happen to everyone but statistically your odds of escaping it are not good. Sure, post 30 can get hookups but good luck transitioning that into a secure and stable relationship. I have yet to see it. Im not saying there aren't simps or betas out there willing to settle for you but again the odds are not in your favour. As for OP, yes I have found avoiding 30's a good idea, but one thing to keep in mind is that many 26 - 28 are also 30 and have an incorrect age on their bio. I recommend setting a hard filter for 20 - 26
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I'm not even gonna deny that the Wall is real or anything but how come for the last couple years (I'm 25) I've been WAY more interested in 30+ years women (up to 50 sometimes) than most typical "hot chicks" in their 20s. I swear whenever I go up 80% of the girls I feel attracted to are probably at least 30-35. Yeah sure girls in their 20s are hot and cute and I'd still rather date one around my age but man there's just something about older women that just grabs me.
I fucked a 39 year old woman once and it was the hottest fuck in my entire life
I know this is probably more akin to a fetish or fantasy but still, whenever people talk about the Wall I see it but I don't really feel it at all if you know what I mean
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>>27363279
because your subconciously realised you have no chance at hot women so you like leftover oldies
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>>27363279
because talking to a smart woman and having interesting conversations can actually be very nice. you cant have that with teenagers (desu we all were pretty retarded and annoying that age). the more you interact with hot chicks, the more you see emptyness behind stupidasstiktokshit and whatsnot the actual trend.
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>>27363279
or its what >>27363300 said kek
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>>27361102
This. Ima 40 yo old male who just met a 30 yo female and i am thinking about how it would be if i married her
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>>27360475
People are individuals judge them as such
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>>27360475
its more grim for women than men at 30yo because if the relationship starts at 30, then it'll be a few years before children and marriage, and over 30 it's rather late

but it's the same for men, though to a lesser extent, even if a man has kids at 30, at 40, his kid will only be 10, at 15, he will be 45, and you need some youth to keep up with your kids.
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>>27361102
When they're 18, 19, early 20s every guy their age wants them and a lot of older men want them too.

When they're 30 plus their options drop and keep dropping over time. Some guys won't want them anymore.

When I was 18, 19, and early to mid 20s I wanted women my own age. But after 30 I realized (a) some younger 18-25 y.o. girls were interested in me, and (b) the women my age didn't look so great anymore.

As women get older some men are going for younger women, some get married, some give up and drop out of the dating market altogether, some die in middle age. Overall women have less options as they get older, especially when they have all kinds of demands and requirements.

Women want top high status men who find them desirable. The aging ones are more likely to have to settle with guys they don't really want who don't really want them either but can't do any better.
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>>27360475
I prefer women 18 to mid-20s. If I was happily married I wouldn't leave my wife cause she turned 27 or 30. But if I was single looking for a new relationship, I'd probably go for a younger woman instead of a 30 plus one.

That said, women can still look decent and settle down in their early to mid-30s, especially with so many Westoid males being low-standard male feminist simps.

But when women start hitting the 40s, the wall is increasingly undeniable. Eventually it is undefeated. No amount of political correctness can change biological facts.
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>>27361102
Pretty much. Even the fat fresh divorcees in their 50s get chased, and I live in a small town as it is. Don't even want to imagine what it must be like in the cities.
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>>27363557
Good for them, but I still like young women better.
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>>27363470
>But after 30 I realized (a) some younger 18-25 y.o. girls were interested in me
How do you make this happen?
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>>27363557
>Even the fat fresh divorcees in their 50s get chased

Learn to differentiate getting chased to be fucked and dumped over getting married.

30+ women will never get proposed by a successful man. Beta males are their only option. If you marry a 27+ year old woman you are clearly a beta male. Bonus beta points if she is divorced, separated or have kids.

t. 34 year old dating 21 year old. formerly dated an 18 year old and dumped her when she turned 21.
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>>27363607
I'm this >>27363608
Get old and have a pretty normal life. No drugs, work out, be financially free and pretty much live a happy life. Getting 18-25 girls is easy as fuck. Saying no is harder especially now since I have a keeper.
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>>27361102
Yep, the wall just refers to women not having it as good as before, but even then they have it better than men
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>>27363612
Nah. that's blackpilled limiting belief behavior. Believe in BS and one day you will live that BS. Anyhow keep on believing lies.
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>>27363608
The 50yo mom of a friend whose husband divorced her is now living with a 60-something-dude in his house and they're doing regular vacation trips in his huge van. She literally upgraded a year post-divorce while her now ex is now spending his days drinking in his garage because he was a shithead to his kids too during the divorce proceedings.

A neighbor in her 40s is currently preparing to move into her old flame's house that he's specifically building for her and her 3 kids, after she ditched her husband. Granted, she's very good looking.

The pussy inflation has reached 3 digit levels years ago and it's hilarious how many are still oblivious to that. Could that be why there are more incels today, because they all believe that they're gonna be chads in 10 - 30 years?
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>>27363650
My point still stands. Bottom line is if they are wife material and actually do their part (cook, clean, care for your kids, care for you when you are sick, no nagging, kind, supportive etc.) then they are good. However majority of modern women aren't like that.

I'd rather be single and old at the same time achieving my goals rather than be with a useless wife. See their relationship closely. Chances are men nowadays are the ones cleaning up after their wives. I won't do that shit. If you want to do that and get pity sex then do it. I don't want to be the one to take care of a person. If you're the one being cared for then thats probably ok.

>Could that be why there are more incels today, because they all believe that they're gonna be chads in 10 - 30 years?

It's because all they do is play vidya all day. Just go out for christ sake.
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>>27363611
Where do you meet them?
Do their friends freak out and stuff?
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>>27360475
The modern practice of women pursuing a career and "saving kids for later" is just a recipe for misery.

It makes women miserable, because they have to work at some meaningless job they've been brainwashed to derive their self-worth from. And then once they're finally ready to look for something serious, they have severely limited options compared to when they were 18. Then when they finally get married, surprise surprise, their fertility is so low they can no longer have kids.

It makes men miserable because it destroys the divine feminine. No man's romantic fantasy is a 30+ yo corporate lawyer with crows feet, a triple digit body count, and stories from college that make trench warfare sound like a walk in the park. There is nothing more soulless than a woman who cares more about cock and career than love and family.

Deep down, both genders want the same thing, but the system in place prevents both from obtaining it.
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>>27361314
Hilariously they do actually have a decent SMV at 31 or whatever, but they keep coping and waiting for Mr Right right up until 40 when their desirability evaporates completely
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>>27364005
>It makes men miserable because it destroys the divine feminine. No man's romantic fantasy is a 30+ yo corporate lawyer with crows feet, a triple digit body count, and stories from college that make trench warfare sound like a walk in the park.
How do we cope?
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>>27360475
They honestly usually go a bit crazy even if they had kids. Men do the same about 10yrs later.
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>>27364102
Only chance you have is with a younger woman who hasn't been corrupted yet.
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>>27360514
You're a piece of shit for doing that and I say that as a guy. If you're not planning on marrying her, you leave her. Stealing someone's time is one of the worst things you can do, it's their most precious resource. Wicked acts like this are going to come back to bite you one day.
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>>27363863
>Do their friends freak out and stuff?

I don't care about her friends. If she really likes you she's proud to be with you.
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>>27360475
Erramatti Mangayamma at age 74 gave birth to twins in India
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>>27360529
Correct
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>>27360573
>girls should be having kids while they still lack the responsibility and mental capacity to do so
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>>27364604
you don't have to be a rocket scientist to raise kids. you just need maternal instincts, which women are born with.

also, mere time doesn't give you a sense of responsibility. responsibilities give you a sense of responsibility.
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Everyone hits the wall at some point. Just need to accept that we all age, but since we do age, it should be done gracefully.

This woman is 49. She’s married, had at least two kids and looks fantastic.
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>>27360475
>>27361102
The wall isn't cope, women do peak when they're in their 30s about.

Men on the other hand, peak when they're about 15. esports gamers have to retire when their hand-eye reflexes start to degrade beyond anything salvageable so old 22 year old grandpa either retires or becomes an e-coach to train the next generation of 14 year old gamers.

Same with athletic physical ability, if you're not already a pro athlete by the time you're 18 that ship has sailed.

>in b4 homoerotic cope posting with dudes spamming pictures of 30 year old johnny depp and brad pitt as those represent the average male apparently
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>>27364005
That’s great and all, but unfortunately we live in a society where at least two people need an income in order to pay bills, house, food, utilities, etc. Unless every man works a job earning at least $100,000, it’s impossible to live comfortably.
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I feel bad for my sister-in-law. She’s 37 and can’t find a partner. My husband said his sister always had anxiety issues when it came to dating. For whatever reason, she “freaks out” when she gets too close to a guy.

I think my husband’s family has accepted that she will never marry. But she’s also pediatrician who does well for herself financially, so at least she has that in her life.
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>>27364680
It's absolutely true that men peak physically before their thirties. I'm 27 and I've only declined since I was about 23.

However, the wall affects men less because there are so many other avenues available for men to be seen as "attractive."

Youth and beauty is much more important to men than women.

Women are generally looking for a daddy. They want someone who makes them feel safe, who takes care of business, who is reliable and capable. You can do all of those things even if your temples are receded and you're developing crows feet.
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Married femanon here. I just turned 33. Husband and I might try for our first kid soon but we also wanted to get a bigger house first and also maybe get one more big vacation out of the way. Unfortunately our current jobs limit how much PTO we can take. My husband also works on a school schedule so he can only really take a vacation during school breaks or summer.

He wants us to go on a trip to maybe Ireland next summer, but I’m worried it’ll be too late to try and get pregnant. I could always try to get pregnant a month before the trip, but it’s no fun to go on a trip to Ireland without drinking any Guinness or whiskey

My mom gave birth to me at 35 and my sister gave birth also at 35, so I’m hoping good fertility runs in my family.
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>>27364737
the same's true for men looking to start a family. As nice as it is to fuck blonde 19 year olds that you meet at night clubs, they're also usually completely retarded.

Not saying they -have- to be older or uglier, but the smarter ones are better wife material. They're not gonna burn your house down after trying to microwave a bowl of cereal and putting out a electrical fire by blowing on it with the urgency of a 3 year old putting out its birthday candles or be so fuckin blonde that they stick the baby in the dryer after giving it a bath or something.

I'd rather marry some like chunky nurse who has some education and knows how to fix a leaky faucet by herself and can open jars & have a kid with her rather than have to have one baby with a baby wife and the two of them are constantly spilling stuff everywhere and breaking things and talking about shoes and disney movies
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>>27364694
If women dropped out of the workforce, the market would correct itself. Yes, ideally men would be making around six figures and their wives would be able to run the household. It's a logical division of labor.

But even in the absence of that perfect world, I don't agree with you. It would be better for a family to live modestly on a single income of 50K/yr than for both to work full time at the expense of their mental health and their relationships with their children. What's the upshot? A bigger house? More technological gadgets? It's not worth it.
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>>27364786
This. I also feel that if you plan to get married, you should at least marry someone you enjoy have good convos with. Marrying for looks and sex only will only bring short-term happiness.
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>>27364793
Even without a bigger house or tech gadgets, groceries, doctor visits, etc. can still get pricey. Unless you plan to feed your kid McDonalds every night, which is pretty shitty
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>>27364786
The smarter ones were smart when they were 19, too. Intelligence is mostly something you're born with.

My girlfriend is a fucking dream. 18, gorgeous, competent, likes gardening and cooking. Doesn't go out. High IQ. Going to one of the highest ranked private schools in my state but after she graduates just wants to stay at home, write poetry, and have lots of kids.
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>>27364821
Eating McDonalds every night is how you waste money, not how you save it. It's only cheap relative to sit-down restaurants. The answer is to cook from scratch at home (which is easy to do if your wife is staying at home). Beans, fresh vegetables, chicken, fish, and rice are all cheap and can be prepared in endless and delicious ways.
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>>27364793
There are some jobs I feel should only be for women. Like ob/gyns. Yeah there are male ob/gyns too, but women know more how their body functions on a personal level than men. Plus women just feel more comfortable going to a female gyno.

And urologists that deal with men’s sexual health should be men.
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>>27364694
In an ideal society, women could be paid to have kids at a young age. Then when kids are older and can be responsible for themselves, the women could go into the workforce.
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>>27361020
So they feel what men have been feeling for their entire lives.
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>>27364873
Agreed.
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>>27360573
It should be early 20s, but yeah kind of. They should be thinking about marriage and kids as teenagers, even. I know I was as a kid, but of course I am a loser so no one wanted me.
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>>27361102
The wall doesn't mean that they become untouchables, retard. It just means a significant decline in their attractiveness, their SMV. That is very real, and it is for men too to some extent.
At the end of the day, they would always have gotten a better man by shopping around when they were at peak SMV, not waiting till their 30s.
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>>27365261
The thing is, love is for the young. You are meant to fall in love and find a life partner in your teens to early twenties.

Your brain is not going to be able to replicate the experience of "falling in love" when you're both washed up adults. Such relationships are agreements of convenience, dry and contractual.
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>>27363863
This is probably the number 1 question. If you're 25+, where are you meeting these girls?
>>27364656
There are a small number of women who by virtue of genes, access to wealth, or just dumb luck maintain their attractiveness into their 50s. They tend to be the exception. Way too many start letting themselves go in their 20s and by 30 they're not looking so good, and 40+ it's old lady time. Same goes for men but men do generally age more gracefully, if you take care of yourself.
>>27364793
> Just need the impossible to happen for things to fix themselves
Why would you even suggest this? It's not 1970. Women are going to be working forever it looks like, because if you're average today you need 2 people to make ends meet and be middle class. Name a realistic situation where this would happen without destroying everything. We live in a society, and that means society makes the rules we live with.
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>>27365261
IMO the wall is a mix of psychological baggage and actual looks degrading. If a girl is fun to be around, I might looks past looks a little bit, but it still matters. The problem is, many women have fucked so many guys they cant pair bond any more. Their relationships expectations become warped and growing with someone is off the table- she needs a guy like she needs a pair of shoes that "just fit".
In men it doesn't cause bonding issues, except they see the girls they're fucking, how awful they treat people in general, and become black pilled in general about women.
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>>27365621
It probably is unrealistic, but we need a revolution in consciousness. People have to free themselves of the media's brainwashing and the siren's song of consumerism. I don't know how we achieve that on a large scale, but you can certainly achieve it in your own life. Women want to stay at home with kids - when a strong man who they can rely on gives them permission to want that, they embrace it. Be the change you want to see in the world.
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>>27365621
>Way too many start letting themselves go in their 20s and by 30 they're not looking so good

After seeing these videos, that’s for sure
https://youtu.be/i6cap_nY77s
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>>27365717
Even if a world like that was possible, you make it like women would be happier living at home cooking, cleaning, taking care of children, etc.

And yet women who did that in the 1950s were committing suicide despite that “idealized” life.
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>>27365737
I don't idealize the 1950s. The division of labor was better then, but society was founded on the same shallow consumerism as today. There's this narrative that men had it made during that era at the expense of women, but the truth is that both were victims of suburbization, commercialization, and the pressure of "middle class respectability." Read Death of a Salesman; read The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit.

Women may have been unhappy during this time, but it wasn't because they were stay at home moms. The notion that women would abruptly find child-rearing and domesticity burdensome when they had found fulfillment in these very things for eons is absurd. It is simply a narrative used to push women into the workforce.

Also, it's not true that women were killing themselves in droves in the 50s. The suicide rate hasn't changed much since then, but it's actually marginally increased from 5.6 to 6 per 100,000. It peaked in 1970.



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