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>Be me
>Socially awkward as a kid. Didn't date or get female attention.
>Didn't go on first date ever until age 24. Even then, rarely went more than four dates before the girl lost interest. Almost never got laid.
>27 now
>Been working out the last couple of years, girls notice me more
>Some girls even approach me. But they are never the hottest girls
>TFW the hottest girls are almost always 17-22
>Missed out on dating the hottest girls when I was their age

I don't want my life to turn out that I missed out on young hot hookups, and end up settling with some average-looking woman, always wondering what's it's like to bang 10s. It just feels like, what's the point?

I'm at the age where people are literally GETTING MARRIED, and I've never had many experiences nor had a GF. Soon, my dating pool will be 32yo women with paunches, people who've had plenty of experience and have literal patience for my lack of experience, and divorcees. I'm scared.
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probability says you wont get 10s.

But lets say we are optimistic - you get rich yada yada.

You can still get 18yo's. Is it creepy a little sure - but its not outside the realm of possibilities before 30.

And older 10's exist - you'll find a bevy of 21yo's who have no qualms with the older crowd and even seek it out.
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>>25669633
Fuck em as hookers suddenly less creepy
Let go maybe you’ll never get the opportunity if it does enjoy it for long as you can
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you didn't miss out on much. the reality is, the things didn't happen, be it your control or outside of it, they didn't happen. you did not fuck crazy 10s in your teens, and you never will now. that's fine. there is much more to life then getting laid as a teenager. bring yourself back to reality and think how things actually would have been if they played out even remote realistic in your head. and not to shatter the illusion for you, but in my experience and others i know, the hotter girls kind of mediocre at best in bed. rarely are they anything special, and the truly good ones happen when you have a good connection with the person. idk what else to tell you but you're overthinking this and dwelling on not getting pussy in high school, which 90% of people also didn't do.
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>>25669644
Yeah, I know getting rich will help, but it feels like so much about getting rich is luck. I have more control over becoming more physically attractive through working out and style than I do becoming rich enough to attract hot women. Plus, I feel like the kind of attraction women have to money is different from when they have a raw, physical attraction to your body and/or personality. But to get a 10, yeah, probably can't do that as a struggling student.

The funny thing is, I am currently sleeping with an attractive 18-year-old. I should be happy, but instead I'm just thinking, when I lose her (and I will, because attractive girls always have options), will I be able to get another? Plus, ideally, I would have a rotation of girls, not just one at a time. And also, even though she has a gorgeous face and fit body, it would be nice to also try out somebody with more T&A. A gym booty and bigger tits. She only has a B cup and she does martial arts, so while she's slender and in shape, that doesn't necessarily give you an ass (it'd be nice to also have a girl who squats).

I was kinda seeing a girl closer to my age for a while who wasn't as pretty as this one, but was a PAWG. But I was stupid and let that one slip away after only sleeping with her twice, and we never even got to explore our mutual interest in BDSM. Still kicking myself over that.
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>>25669633
It is what it is.

If you are here, there is a good chance you were never meant for super hotties.

I'd just get over it and date some cute girls about 5 years younger than you.
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>>25669705

Well considering how you are in the game and planning rotations - once you get a semblance of a career and a nice crib/pad. A lot of this will likely work itself out - you seem like a go getter.
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>>25669651
I dunno… it's not the same when it's hookers. You want to feel like they WANT you and you ATTRACTED them. You don't want to have to pay for it. Plus I'm black, and I've browsed escort listings a couple times out of curiosity, and the vast majority (especially the actually hot ones) do not see black men anyway.

>>25669702
I know there's more to life, and even though I have plenty of goals and ambitions outside of just getting laid, it still seems like a waste and a pity if you don't have certain experiences. Almost like it's not a sufficient condition to feel content, but it is a necessary one. Like, it would sincerely be a regret if I never had some period in my life where I was banging 10s.

I mean, you look at all those older, "happily married" couples, and the guys still check out women much hotter than their wives, make comments about them in private, complain about their wives… when I inevitably settle down with somebody out of compatibility who may not be the hottest around, and accept that it comes with the challenges of not always getting along despite loving them, I don't want to wonder, "I wonder what that would be like each time I see a hotter woman walk by. It'd be nice if I could just appreciate it with a "been there, done that."
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>>25669633
Waiting for girls to approach to will always result in worse looking girls than to could pull if you tried.
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>>25669741
the been there done that doesn't exist because there will always be something new and tempting. it's called lust. those things you describe between a man and wife and the man making comments in passing are just looking at other women, which is usually fine. you don't have your priorities in order, and once again Idk what to tell you because that time has passed. if you truly feel you need to "bang 10s" to get over this then get off this site and go and do it.
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>>25669733
I'm slowly improving, and with each girl, I learn a little and do better with the next one (which is I guess how I'm currently going on dates with and fucking a hot 18-year-old), but it feels like the learning process is so slow that I might age out of this shit before I have all the experiences I want. Like, I still have one foot solidly in the clueless beta territory.

Take the last girl I was going on dates with. We'd go out, and half the time it would end in making out, the other half, I would chicken out of making a move because I was too scared of being "creepy." She was clearly interested, but I somehow still psyched myself out of it. We were never exclusive and never talked about the nature of what we had going on (by design; I still wanted to play the field and not get tied down), but I was also such a pussy that I only slept with her TWICE in the more-than-a-year we were going on dates. Twice. That is, like, annual sex. And it's not like she was using me for money. She paid for her shit, she would drive ME home because I don't have a car. I could see sometimes she looked disappointed when I didn't make a move, but my anxiety just got the better of me.

Because I get really busy, we would see each other infrequently. I don't text to chat, only to set things up, so I could go weeks without seeing her, and when I called her up again, she'd still be down. COVID hit and of course we didn't see each other for a while, but we went on some dates when cases would subside.

I text her up again recently. Takes forever to get back to me. Unusual for her. We have trouble setting anything up.

tbc
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>>25669741
>make comments about them in private, complain about their wives

A lot of men don't love their wives. They thought they were hot and enjoyed the feeling of cumming inside them. The sages of old write all this shit about taking your time and finding someone you love and sharing life and being a partner but a lot of men and women don't listen and just spend their life with the hottest peice of ass that makes their dick/vag feel the good feels.
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>>25669787
continued

See on Instagram she now has a partner now, and is PREGNANT. I haven't seen her since August, and that was one of the times I didn't make out with her, so in retrospect, maybe that wasn't even a date. I have no idea how long she's been seeing this guy for. This doesn't look like an irresponsible pregnancy, either. She's a smart professional who literally owns a business. I felt pretty fucking shattered, because this was an example of how pathetic I am. With a girl for almost two years, only banged her twice, months apart. We would make out, so obviously we were dating, though we weren't bf/gf because we would see each other infrequently and never discussed a label. But also not FWBs, because you have to fuck to be FWBs. What the hell do I even call what we had? All it was was me being a scared beta loser when I should have been banging her.
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>>25669633
Sex outside of marriage goes against the intended function that God ordained. It's a sin called fornication, and those who do that sin will not inherit the kingdom of God, but rather they will have their part in the lake of fire. See Revelation 21:8 and Galatians 5:19-21, and Corinthians 6:9-11.

Jesus told us if you look at a woman with lust you have committed adultury/sin in your heart, and you are better off ripping your eyes out and enter into heaven maimed, then continue doing this sin and go to hell with your entire body intact. (See Matthew 5:28-30)

Try to pray to God to give you a young wife who can satisfy and fulfill you in more just sexual aspects, but bring you joy and happiness. There are younger women who want to date older men, you do not have to date old 30 year old wall hitters.
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>>25669763
I would regularly cold approach before the pandemic. You get mostly rejections, but it's the only reason I got any dates at all. I would shoot for the girls I was most attracted to, rather than aiming for "my level," because I didn't want to settle. I figured, hey, even if the odds are low, if I ask out enough, SOME will end up going out with me. And some did. But I would lose their interest quickly, because my game is pretty front-loaded. If you practice the approach a lot more than dates, you might be able to get her number and the date, and then be awkward and shy on the date and not know how to do things like make the dates end in sex. That was me.

>>25669776
>if you truly feel you need to "bang 10s" to get over this then get off this site and go and do it.
I'd still be out there approaching if not for the pandemic. We're all masked, there are no cool events to even propose as date ideas going on, etc. This pandemic stole two years of my 20s just as a finished my bachelor's and was planning to use some of my new free time to really hit the field and continue working out and succeed. Then bam, gyms close, clubs and concerts close, I'm not on campus, which is where I met most girls.

Doing my master's now, but campus is closed again. I met the girl I'm seeing when campus was briefly open. Who knows? Maybe she's only with me because she hasn't BEEN ABLE to meet anybody else yet because of the pandemic. This is her first year of university. If campus were open, I'm sure she would meet some hotter, cooler guy closer to her age immediately. I don't resent her for that, it's the nature of the game, and it's her right. "She's not yours, it's just your turn."
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>>25669839
I'm sorry man but you sound like a guy who has spent too much time on here and been influenced very negatively. I don't think you want help I think you want to bitch about not getting laid with these "10s" in your youth. get a grip and deal with the cards you're dealt, I'm sorry man.
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>>25669801
>A lot of men don't love their wives. They thought they were hot and enjoyed the feeling of cumming inside them. The sages of old write all this shit about taking your time and finding someone you love and sharing life and being a partner but a lot of men and women don't listen and just spend their life with the hottest peice of ass that makes their dick/vag feel the good feels.

I mean, yeah, I wouldn't MARRY some girl just because she's hot. That's why I want to date the hot ones now (don't care if I'm "in love" with her, so long as she isn't annoying or bitchy enough to make her looks not worth it). I have all the time in the world to settle down with some woman I'm actually compatible with who, statistically speaking, will probably end up not being a 10. Hell, if I were successful enough, I might never do that, and just do the old Leonardo DiCaprio "date a series of young hot women and find the next one as soon as she turns 25." I probably won't have the level of success and money necessary to do that, though, so banging hot girls now and finding actual love at 40 or whatever also sounds perfectly good.
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>>25669847
I mean, it sounds like your advice was "stop caring about banging 10s, or go out and do it." I was saying, I'm all FOR getting off of my ass and doing it, but the literal global plague happening is an obstacle. Seeing as I chose the latter of the two options you presented to me, do you have any advice on how to pursue that option?

Look, my life would be a lot simpler if I COULD just stop caring about hot women. If I could take a pill that would do that, I would. That would be one less thing I would have to think about, and all that energy could be distributed amongst the other things I care about. I would never look at a hot girl and feel shitty that I'm missing out. I wouldn't care about what I'm going to say when I approach a hot girl. I probably wouldn't even go to clubs anymore. And at concerts, I wouldn't be scanning the crowd to see who the hottest person is whom I should go talk to between my favourite bands playing. Life would be so much simpler.

But my brain doesn't work that way, and I don't know how to make it work that way.
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>>25669633
The women approaching you want to settle down, the 10s you want to fuck want chad that probably has no security. The thing about making it to your late 20s single is that women are picking who they will settle with but that person is probably not their best sexual partner or who they're most attracted to on a more primitive level at least
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>>25669839
look at those CLAWS how would she even wipe
>>25669902
hairy arms wtf.. excess testosterone much
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>>25670260
>look at those CLAWS how would she even wipe

Toilet paper
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hookers.
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>>25670341
Hot escorts don't accept black clients, though.
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Bump
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>>25669633
Well what do you want? Do you want to be in love or do you want to fuck hot girls?
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>>25670658
I want to fuck hot girls.
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>>25669633
I've been there.

Then I fucked hot women for cash and would say it was worth it. It made me less bitter and callous towards women in general.

If you're an average white guy and want the chad experience go to south america, africa or south east asia for a month and meet women from tinder.
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>>25671164
I'm black.

Thing about being black is, there is no country I could visit where I'm a hot, sought-out commodity. It's not like when you're a white North American where every woman wants you if you go to Korea or Latin America or the Ukraine or something. At least in eastern Europe and Asia (maybe not in South America, since they already have quite a range of skintones there), I would be looked at as a creature. And it wouldn't be the polite kind of racism where they think you want to steal their bike, but won't say anything about it to your face unless they are a redneck. They don't have the kind of history of civil rights and social justice and shit in fucking China or Moldova. They'd probably be pretty overt about their distaste for me. And even if they'd be nicer to my face in a more progressive place like Finland, some 5'6" black guy isn't going to be able to compete with the 6'4" blonde Nords over there.

North America, where I currently am, may be where my best odds are. And even the thing about "girls like black guys" is a meme not supported by evidence. White guys still do the best. Black guys just aren't too far down the list, because east Asian (unless you look like a Kpop star) and south Asian men get the shortest end of the stick here.
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>>25672080
Why don't you go to Africa? Don't you find African girls attractive? You're still american, which is a big upside.
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>>25669801
Truer words were never spoken.
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>>25672080
Your mentality of "I'm going to fail, so why try" is your biggest problem here. You assume women won't bang you because of your skin color which is assuming a level of basic racism in everyone else. You're blowing the sale before even trying to make it because you assume failure before even getting to the point where a chance at success would be possible. That is what's going to keep you from fucking hot girls or even mediocre girls in general.

I'm not saying you can just wish yourself into dicking hot sluts but that mentality has to change to at least "I can't always get hot girls but I can sometimes" or you're never going to go beyond posting on 4chan bitching about how women never give you a chance.
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reject fickle woman
contemplate orb
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>>25672183
Despite being pessimistic, I still go out and try to prove myself wrong (at least I do when there isn't a pandemic). I do the "fake it until you make it" bullshit. I pretend not to have thes insecurities. I still shoot for the stars, act sociable and affable, and don't talk about any of my hangups around women.
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Really hoping that this damn plague subsides by this summer so I can cold approach and hit up pubs again. I'm going to be 28. If it doesn't happen soon, I'm going go end up the age where this is creepy to do.
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I've always been hesitant to make a Tinder account because I feel like you have to be perfect as a guy in order to get any matches at all, let alone good ones. Every woman I meet, I meet through real life (usually daygame cold approaching because I suck at night game) because I feel like I at least have a shot if I can show them some of my personality in person. If I were just a photograph, I'd never be able to compete.

Should I give it a shot? I keep on thinking "I'll make an account when I lose X pounds and have abs" or something, and of course, I keep on not getting there. I've been waiting to perfect myself before I make an account, but it's clear that I may never be. Would a muscular (but not ripped), not tall, average-face guy with good style get matches from hot girls at all?
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>>25669741
Banging a 10/10 hooker is physically no different than banging a 10/10 non-hooker. Beauty is subjective anyway. Above an 8 and it's all basically a matter of taste.

My best memories are all from banging hookers. It's literally the only thing that's ever given me joy in life.
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Do you look old? I know plenty of early 30s fucking early 20s. Also you're over exaggerating there's plenty of hot women in their mid 20s. It's mostly genetics. Aim for Asians. Get over yourself, it's such a minor problem
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Dude, my late 30s roommate has been fucking a 20 year old hottie and he's not good looking, just has great game and charm. You're only 27, you got plenty of time to work on yourself, put put yourself out there and get prime pussy if you want to.
Having said that, a deep relationship and love is much more fulfilling than casual sex. Really. Fucking hotties is like doing drugs - it can be really fun, but it's degenerate hedonism and sometimes leaves you feeling a little gross.
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>>25673906
>physically no different
Sex is at it's best when it's more than physical



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