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Can creampies be considered a fetish or is it just normal sex?
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Do girls care if you watch incest porn?
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>>25666703
What the fuck is going on? Why is everything so fucked up? Even before COVID the rabid left was turning the world into a clownshow, and now it's somehow gone even further? Fucking 15 years ago feels like it was a completely different world? The things around me when I was 12 years old are not only "out of style," they're fucking borderline illegal now. I hate it here.
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>>25666838
It's all being pushed while they loot your country, anon.
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>>25666834
I don't think so, they also watch porn, it's a natural tendency to a certain extent>>25666834
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>>25666834
Most of them, probably.
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>>25666834
>>25666857
Or they'll probably at least pretend to care until they can gather whether they'll be judged for it or not.
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I was talking with a friend of mine about family issues and how traumatizing it is to grow up without a family because a common friend got pregnant and is going to raise the baby by herself because the babys father has no feelings for her.
I said "i know what it's like"
And he said "but you know how to balance things i guess"
I didn't get this comment, what did he mean?
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>>25666851
This
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girls, do other women (especially ones your age) treat you more badly when you're dressed "better" than them and clearly put more effort into your look hair and makeup included?
I was kinda a tomboy for most of my life, but decided to change things, and now I tend to be overdressed more often than underdressed. so I'm wondering if this is just in my head or if other women experience it too.
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Women
what's the deal with oral sex? the sentiment I've heard from women in my life is that most men don't care about making you cum, and are bad at eating pussy. but nearly all of my sexual partners were self conscious about me wanting to. wouldn't tell me what they liked or what felt good. didn't want me down there for more than a couple minutes. why is this? I have always been interested in pleasing my partner. I feel like I'm hearing two totally different things
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>>25666898
Pretty sure it’s a common occurrence called hen pecking
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>>25666838
rightoids and leftoids are both retarded
having serious opinions is okay but having opinions dictated by a group of crazies is just dumb.
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>>25666922
maybe they're self conscious.
did you know women with large breasts are more likely to have self esteem issues? just because they have a vagina or a nice pair of breasts doesn't mean they think of either kindly, and you going down might be too much for them, since they feel like shit over that part of their body.
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>>25666834
Eh, I would worry if you have siblings, but otherwise no. It's unlikely to ever be real incest, and while I find the idea of incest as appealing as marrying a piece of furniture, I don't really care what people watch for porn. Incest porn is likely to be more innocent than some of the more degenerate stuff out there.
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>>25666942
>women with large breasts are more likely to have self esteem issues?
Over the breasts specifically or just in general?
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>>25666957
i don't know, i guess in general. look it up and you'll see the many studies.

maybe i should clarify and say this correlation exists for small breasts and large breasts. i don't know how much one has to deviate from normal in order to start having this negative self esteem, but i assume being noticeably larger or smaller is when the effect really becomes pronounced.
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>>25666934
huh, any way to make women treat me better while still dressing well? I also feel like me being shy just makes it worse.
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>>25666936
Nah, there's nothing the right is doing to actively try and fuck life up for everyone around them
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>>25666980
I have no idea. Maybe compliment them first or ask them to do something for you and thank them for it when they do so they think you’re on their side.
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>>25666703
How build up experience with dating and going out with woman?
I'm a 20y/o virgin, and I have no idea how to develop relationships.
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What the hell is going on?
>He takes me on dates and pays the bill, he refuses to split when I offer
>He takes me places
>He texts me all the time and every day
>He plans in advance our dates, never asks last minute
>He genuinely cares about my days and asks updates when i'm feeling sick or when i'm working on something
>He makes me laugh
>We flirt a lot and there is touching but nothing further

But when I asked him what was the meaning of all of this he said that we're just friends and that I should just be chill and enjoy

Is this normal? I'm okay with being friends but i'm confused too
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>>25667099
He's in love with you but somewhere along the lines internalized the idea of "friends first" that Hollywood movies and TV shows present.
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>>25667080
If you really wanted to know, you wouldn’t ask on an incel forum.
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>>25667080
Are you me lol?
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>>25667099
Have you considered making a move?
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>>25667145
like, on a dance floor?
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I think this girl with booba used to like me (idk about now I think that ship has sailed). I liked her too but my 'tism told me only guys with big ding dongs can get girls with tiggos. Is it true? Girls with big hoo haa's are only reserved for guys with huge schlongs? Or lots of money?
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would you ever date a guy from the Caribbean?
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Women,
Would you pee in front of your bf?
Would your answer change if he found it erotic?
Would the way you think about him change in general if you knew he found it erotic?
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How do you get past the feeling that men don't care which woman they are with, they just want a woman who will be with them when they want to settle down?

I've heard this so many times, it's not something I came up with. I just think about it, a guy might want one woman, but if there's another option he will choose whoever is most convenient. He loves whoever is available to him when he decides he is lonely. Like maybe my bf only loves me because he is getting older, I am young, and I was the only viable option. But he treats me well and says thinks like "You're my first and last love" He says he never truly loved anyone before me, although he had long term relationships before, none of which ended well. So how do I know I'm not a last resort. I usually feel this way, it's not specific to my current relationship which is a good relationship.
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>>25666936
>haha don't you think the other side is just as bad
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>>25667173
Sure.
>>25667174
I guess I would. If he found it erotic, it'd be a little bit weirder than if it was just a curiosity thing, though.
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Sure I'm into WOMEN

Wanting
Only
Men
Every
Night

Haha!

okay no seriously though what do we do about the gays, they're getting uppity and annoying again, I'm sick of hearing from them and they molest kids too much
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>>25667189
I like the gays more than the trannies these days.
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>>25667174
No, it would be a bonus
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>>25667173
No, sounds like a greencard scam
I enjoy visiting the Caribbean

>>25667174
>Would you pee in front of your bf?
Yeah we do if we both need the bathroom
>Would your answer change if he found it erotic?
Eh that's weird, we joke about it
>Would the way you think about him change in general if you knew he found it erotic?
Yeah I'd be gone
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Does the majority of women hate cum?
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>>25667181
I mean, to tell you the truth, that is the case with the average man. their self-worth is closely tied to sexual and romantic success, and being in a relationship is pretty much both. The best case scenario is to find an honorable and confident man who also falls in love with you. But anyway, imo the fact that your bf wants you to be his last love shows that he doesn't want to leave even if he could. But this idea is suspicious if he couldn't get any other women in the first place. an ideal relationship is one where both of you could get another girl or guy easily, but won't, because you love each other. but maybe wait and see, maybe he's a late bloomer and you'll start to later realize that he isn't the only lucky one in the relationship.
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>>25667199
>greencard scam
>america
Ew lol, i'm good.
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>>25667215
aesthetically I like it, it looks erotic, but the taste and smell is horrible.
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>>25667215
I've come into contact with it exactly once and both the hatred and love of it is overhyped.
It's just salty goo bro.
That being said, if I was forced to devour cum I would be into it. But not for the cum necessarily.
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>>25666851
>>25666870
OWS was the first major controlled opposition of our generation, you fucking retards
Why do you think "they" talked about it so much in the first place?
To get you to stop opposing more aggressive taxation.
The private sector and the government may work together to fuck you over if it suits them, but they're competition, not friends, and only one has the power to broad-stroke censor everything, even in the age of social media.
Why the FUCK do you think Alex Jones is banned from everywhere and Michael Moore isn't? Are you dense? Are you impaired?
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>>25667215
I only know one woman who doesn’t like it
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>>25667227
But it doesn't taste like anything
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>>25667224

I have 3 passports, don't act like you island trash don't leech off of higher salary countries to send back home lmao
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>>25667215
The majority probably like it in the specific context of their bf finishing during sex. But you have to admit it's objectively gross detached from that context.
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>>25667236
Is she a cunt?
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>>25666758
That one was me, C.B. That song lives rent free in my mind and now it does so on yours as well.
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>>25667262
No she's really cute and sweet
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>>25667184
I don't think a man would ask a woman he was dating something personal like that just out of curiosity, unless he was lying, just seems like why bother her at that point.
>>25667198
cool
where is your london
>>25667199
why
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>>25667249
cum has a somewhat distinct taste and smell just like discharge.
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>>25667253
Lol my country has one of the highest gdp per captia in the western hemisphere. I dont need your glorified shithole
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>>25667181
>>25667222
Note that if you switch the genders this is exactly the same issue men have with women, which is why people were so much happier before the normalizing multiple sexual partners and casual sex meme came along
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>>25667181
What makes you think he doesn’t have other options that he is forgoing to be with you?
Perhaps the issue is less this specific thought, and more you feel unappreciated or insecure about yourself in the relationship and this is a manifestation of that fear. Maybe address that emotion and these thoughts will dissipate.
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>>25667262
No she is nice. Not sure why >>25667275 felt the need to answer for me
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>>25667197
And in 2030 you'll like the trannies more than the now open and legal pedos.
You see the fucking issue?
This is how things are "normalized".
Calling women who reject trannies "TERFs" even if they're not feminists makes radical feminists into "moderate" feminists because now you've defined what radical feminism is and you're "centrist", even though you're actually a left wing parasite as always.
See the issue man?
See the little hats?
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>>25667285
>I don't think a man would ask a woman he was dating something personal like that just out of curiosity
Weird. I've asked every guy I've dated if I could hold his dick and aim it while he peed at least once just for fun.
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>>25667324
You're a woman, you never have to care about offending a man unless you call his dead grandmother a whore or something.
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>>25667222

Aw that's sweet anon. He is attractive and it's not like he can't attract other women, younger or older, I think maybe he feels we are compatible, he said he liked me from the first day we met.
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>>25667275
>>25667312
You should introduce them to each other then
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>>25667297

Lmao what a lie
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>>25666957
In general. Look up “internalising the male gaze”. Being so sexualised creates a sort of identity problem, also look into Lacan’s identity theory, such as the mirror
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>>25666980
Those types are typically bitches (insecure (about male attention)) they put your confidence down to help them feel more secure. So anything that gets male attention pisses them off, but careful there as that’s part of the slightly lesbian game they’re playing. (Their insecurity can just as easily be jealousy and suppressed attraction)
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>>25667345
>Lmao what a lie
Oil and natural gas is a hell of a thing my friend.

Plus, i guarantee i have better internet speeds than you
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>>25667347
No one needs to look this shit up, you hags vocally blame us for all of your mental problems day in and day out, yet always are sure you're educating us on things we've never heard of before.
You're not a goddess.
Being seen by people does not "objectify" or "degrade" you, you are just a person.
Men being attracted to you is also not rape.
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>>25667370
>proud of being in the UAE
Unbelievable, I've heard it all now.
Go buy some instathots to have your underage son shit on, or something.
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>>25667380
>UAE
Were you even paying attention to the reply chain?
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>>25667347
anyone who unironically uses the term "male gaze" should fucking neck themselves.
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>>25667339
Why?
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>>25667386
FUCK no, I don't listen to foreigners or gays.
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>>25667311
Well, then you will pay an amount each month to the goverment so that they can force you to pay said amount lol
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I was eating chicken nuggets and I asked a friend of a friend if she wanted some and she said "No thanks, I'm vegan" but she said it in a smug condescending way. I was really upset by this so I didn't talk to her for the rest of the time. But when she was leaving, she smiled at me really nicely and said bye. Is this some kind of psyop? To guilt trip me into becoming a vegan? Because it's not going to work if it is. She can fuck off back to her yoga classes. Fucking cunt.
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Is there literally anything about men that doesn't gross women out?
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>>25667370

Fuck this is getting more and more hilarious by the second. I have citizenship and residency is the richest countries in the world, not to mention we were talking about island nations which are not rich, and you wanna bust out an oil country where the distribution of wealth is so bad people regularly leave for better countries?

Lol k
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>>25667405
No, women do that shit all the time to fuck with you. The only correct answer is to fuck and dump them
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>>25667405
It doesn't matter, in theory being vegan should be cool but in practice no good person has ever been vegan, avoid them.
>>25667419
>reward shitty behavior with sex
Fuck off retard. Do not engage with crazy.
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>>25667412
If I could distill the smell of fresh ball sweat and bottle it, I wouldn't need a bf so badly.
Also men's smiles are nice.
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>>25667425
You don't reward it. That's why you dump them after
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>>25667426
What distinguishes ball sweat from other sweat?
Anyways sorry to hear that babe I'd drag my balls across your face any time
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Where can I meet and socialize with women to include them in my circle? I’m only interested in male dominated hobbies and am having trouble expanding on that. I want a gf but I wanna start slow in just being used to talking with girls and having friends and not being weird first. I just feel I’m not interested in what girls are into at all (vidya)
Meeting them out of college seems impossible
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>>25667434
They're sluts. You dumping them is the additional reward because they get to write a shitty blog post and move to the next retard. You're enabling and reinforcing.
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Girls
I have been talking to this girl I work with for almost 2 months now. After getting to know her in person I gave her my number and we started texting every day since. Ive learned alot of things about her in this time

>she was abandoned as a baby by her mom
>she had to raise herself because her dad had to keep working when she was young
>she struggles with anxiety and insecurity
>she has never had a serious relationship
>she is a virgin
>she tells me she has stopped "looking" for a relationship
>she also tells me she prefers being single

Now that you girls have this info, here is where I come in.

The way we have been talking lately, I have a really strong feeling like there is mutual interest. She tells me things that I just don't know how to possibly misinterpret as not being signs of interest

>she tells me that she has become closer to me in this short amount of time than most of her friends
>she trusts me enough to tell me things that she claims she can't talk about with anyone else
>she says that talking to me lately has been her "favorite thing"
>she feels like most people don't understand her situation, but I do
>she says the conversations we have are the deepest she's had with anybody
>she says it's relieving to be understood and accepted
>she tells me she wishes she had gotten to know me a long time ago

I think after hearing enough of this, I'm ready to make a move. But the reason I'm asking the girls is that maybe someone can give a little insight into her mentality with being happy single, being a virgin, and having a bunch of shitty relationships? Is she trying to tell me I'm the one that's different? Or is she trying to say she values me more as a friend?

Also let's say she does like me. Does her past trauma with abandonment and the fact that she's so protective worry you? I'm afraid that as soon as I let her know how I feel even if she does like me her automatic response may be to reject something she knows is good for her
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Do you think a woman can unlearn self objectification?

>>25667393
Retard. They've done research into it and women will feel the need to self objectify because they're told that's their worth, as pretty holes.
If possible you should avoid such women.

I don't know if it's possible to undo such thinking or get healthier... Which leads to my question.
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>>25667436
>What distinguishes ball sweat from other sweat?
It's not the same type of gamey as armpit sweat, but it does accumulate to a noticably strong smell just as fast. It's hard to describe, but it's unique.
>Anyways sorry to hear that babe I'd drag my balls across your face any time
Such a gentleman.
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>>25667372
Lol I got a benis I’m just capable of empathy and but yea I’m sure you’re right, sexualising a child as they grow defo doesn’t cause any mental issues you mong
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>>25667393
You know people on this site refer to women as “holes” dumb fuck
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>>25667469
At least they aren’t doing it in a pseudoacademic context
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>>25667441
The fact they write a blog post means it was a negative expirience so not a reward
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>>25667080
You just gotta do it. Try it like this, don't go into a date thinking to get laid or long term relationship instead just have fun with it and think of it like a night to get to know them. If one thing leads to another cool but just enjoy the time. After a while and you get used to her and learn more can advance the relationship to the next level.
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>>25667469
And then mentally unstable women call themselves holes and these men become convinced they were right.
The great tragedy of feminism was when it became empowering to embrace self objectification.
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>>25667465
>haha bro you don't feel empathy if you don't realize you need to worship and apologize to women for existing
Fuck off.
>haha um le pedo
"Women's liberation" youth propaganda is the largest child grooming excuse in the world right now. Kill yourself, seriously.
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Guys, which online model/personality/streamer do you find pretty?

Do you think it's just makeup, filters, and angles or do you think they are all beautiful?

Any you think are overrated?
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>>25667415
Okay. I'm sorry we're too poor for you, your highness
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>>25667480
The great tragedy of feminism was its formation. Stolen valor from the suffragists, insisting "they were feminists" when the majority of them rejected the new bullshit straight out of the gate. Immediately went for abortion.
Feminism is the greatest tragedy of our species' history thus far, and has had remarkably little to do with equal rights in its entire history.
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>>25667474
Lol saying “read this” isn’t pseudoacademic
Who’s being psuedoacademic now eh pulling out big words instead of engaging with the point that sexualising people as they grow into their identities fucks them up
You are a retard, enjoy women thinking you’re a prick for not understanding something so basic
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>>25667253
Not that caribeanigger, but I wouldn't want to live in US. I'd rather stay in my 3rd world shithole with my culture and history.
No offense.
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>>25667486
Pokimane. I think she looks cute
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>>25667475
No.
It's a pretext, to get attention.
You are unbelievably stupid.
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>>25667486
I mean they are all wearing tons of makeup and they all have professional stylists and everything so the image they project is hard to judge objectively

But I think Jessu is hot
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>>25667486
Watame. Because her face doesn't matter.
Though I actually don't have an attraction to her. Kinda odd I guess.

I can't really think of anyone else. Most streamers are too narcissistic or the like for me to like them in any sexual or romantic lense.

For many men we grow to love faces.
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>>25667486
The most successful ones are either 9/10s or ones who have a girl-next-door look.
This girl streams on Twitch but she wears bulky hoodies, dyes her hair black, and wears glasses. The goal is to look accessible enough for even the lowliest nerd to shoot his shot.
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>>25667501
Maybe women should where makeup
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>>25667480
The right to sex is a great book on this theme
>>25667481
Lol I never said worship, you are so dense lol
Imagine, some parents buy padded bras for toddlers… getting it yet?
I don’t worship men or women I’m a realistic and don’t reward slutty degenerate behaviour just as I don’t reward incel degenerate behaviour
Quit being a faggot
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>>25667486
None right now. I can't hold an interest in any of them. They're all bad people, just without fail.
At least Minx was briefly funny in her earlier character, but now she's moved to LA or whatever so no hope of that coming back.
It's nearly always makeup, see Belle Delphine/Pokimane/Valkyrae/SSSniper/etc/etc all the most popular ones.
All, literally all of them are overrated.
Influencers are a dumb fucking meme.
My experience of them all is just watching clips in various general compilations.
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>>25667502
So then will they write how much they liked being fucked and dumped, dumbass? Think before you speak
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>>25667494
Feminists led the charge against slavery in the United States. They were suffragists too.
Don't try to change history, feminism itself isn't an issue; what is an issue is the whitewashing of it into something which fits into patriarchal society, dressing up little girls as whores and telling them to sex as many men as possible to be empowered. Oh and don't forget real empowered women don't seek marriage or long term relationships! You're too good to be trapped with a man so make sure to suck me and Bill off tonight, kay?
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>>25667426
I wonder what makes it smell the way it does now, usually it's just bacteria in the skin doing their stuff. Do we have different bacteria in the balls than in the rest of the body?
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>>25667486
Does Marzia count? She's pretty. Felix is a luck guy
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>>25667405
Vegan nuggets are nice you know. There's very little chicken in nuggets anyway so it's not hard to recreate.

>she smiled at me
The nerve.
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>>25667494
It’s a radical ideology around gender relations relating to work and raising kids with both parents and indeed got co-opted very quickly into bs
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>>25667517
Yeah... she is still kinda cute though
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>>25667486
She's a porn star. I fucking love her eyes and hair.
After all depraved shit she did, I think she's underrated.
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>>25667393
It's really getting crazy out here. I've heard normie women use "gaslighting" and "mansplaining" unironically.
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>>25667530
The suffrage movement was endorsed by the KKK. The second, bad one.
The term feminism was retroactively applied by revisionists to include "anything we like". Textbook stolen valor.
Stop lying.
Stop lying.
Stop lying.
You always lie.
Stop lying.
Stop fucking lying.
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>>25667497
Being sexualized and the male gaze are not the same thing. The male gaze is a completely ideological concept and just an extension of feminist whining about men.
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>>25667520
>The right to sex
I'll read it, thank you!
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>>25667535
I like to assume it's hormones.
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>>25667099
Oh, I wish someone whould do that to me. But on your question: perhaps he's a virgin and too scared to make any bolder moves.
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>>25667530
Feminism is the one, and only, reason why I do not respect women or consider them equals.
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>>25667500

I don't live in the US. Why the fuck do all you people think about is the US? It shows you would like to if you could go there and make money, if itbis always on your mind. There are tons of countries people exploit for money besides there, greencard is a US term but in general I mean a visa/residency in a better country, there isn't a general term I can think to use as well understood.
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>>25667530
The concept of the “patriarchy” is itself the beginning of the end of feminism having any merit. It’s just a stupid childish theory that turns feminism into the cries of women with daddy issues.
Of course it lead directly into ignoring all value of chastity and hyper sexualization, because all of that was “muh patriarchy” (rather than what it actually was, the patterns of every enduring civilization).
Rad fem nonsense is just a delayed backlash, the girls who bought into sex positive feminism naturally got pumped and dumped, but rather than actually consider what caused the issue they have to blame “the patriarchy” again.
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>>25667174
>Would you pee in front of your bf?
No
>Would your answer change if he found it erotic?
Absolutely no
>Would the way you think about him change in general if you knew he found it erotic?
Yes and not in a positive way.
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>>25667520
>uh no bro I just like happen to be complaining about le male gaze while complaining about the effects of the people who made up the term having control over media and education
>no irony here lol
The patriarchal bible thumpers were not behind padded bras for infants, you absolute fucking mouthbreathing retard.
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>>25667530
Ye completely. “Liberate yourself so we can exploit you” - into porn, only fans, tinder culture, drugs - now no one trusts each other because they’re not in one household, let’s look elsewhere and fix that first… so sad
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>>25667181
>How do you get past the feeling that men don't care which woman they are with, they just want a woman who will be with them when they want to settle down?
What do you mean? If that were the case, men would never cheat.
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>>25667565
Because this is an imageboard for English-speaking people based in the US you fucking retard.
Go back to taking our gibs quietly.
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>>25667460
>Do you think a woman can unlearn self objectification?
No, because that’s not a thing, it is natural behavior for people to be interested in how they can look like more attractive mates, it’s a evolutionary function.
Women have a desire to wear make up and post photos for the same reason men have a desire to do good career wise and be alpha etc. a subconscious process of improving your value as a mate and thus genetic potential.
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>>25667557
Good, stay far away from them. I love women and hate how they have been told not to view themselves as human first and sexual objects second.
Yes, that sentence would get me some yelling and accusations of mansplaining, but I really don't care. I am a feminist, I don't have to agree with all women to care about women. I could even disagree with most women and still be a feminist. What matters is I see women being given a shitty life on account of having a vagina and it pisses me off. Some can claim it's empowering to have to rely on your vagina and body instead of your personality but I'll tell them I don't care what their personal experience is, no woman should be encouraged to rely on their body over their self.
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>>25667544
Lol they exist tho dumb ass esp has lighting - just means playing on someone’s mental health/ personality to exploit them, particularly to deny events happening
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>>25667565
Because of reality shows, because why would 3rd worlders want a greencard to other shithole?
Also this >>25667583
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>>25667594
You're a pathetic piece of shit, is what you are.
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>>25667546
No they’re not… male gaze is the idea it’s okay to stare at beauty because they’re worthless sluts and women then degenerating themselves to fit this social norm
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>>25667486
M, I've never watched female youtubers/streamers.
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>>25667566
Patriarchy is very real. It's not a cabal of men meeting up to laugh evily on sundays, but it is a structure which perpetuates control of sexuality and sex, as well as general humanity, through the interests of a select few men.
That we live in a world where men are encouraged to "score" as many women as possible, and be ashamed of doing few women in their life, or being a virgin, is proof patriarchy exists. That the most powerful men all have vast amounts of sex with vast amounts of people is further proof it exists.
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>>25667609
I don’t agree with the concept of male gaze but even I know that’s not what it is
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>>25667553
It’s great it even touches on Elliot Roger’s and I think the author really nailed the balance between contemporary issues without any of the reeee and explaining how both sides come about, good references too
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>>25667605
You know what makes me attractive to women? That I don't care what some random person says online. Have some fucking conviction in your beliefs for fucks sake, it's insulting that you expect me to care about your emotional reaction, as if anybody right in the head would give a shit.
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>>25667575
Again, you are stupid :)
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>>25667616
That has nothing to do with patriarchy.

We have a society that is dictated by various evolutionary pressures which puts roles and expectations on the different sexes that form over time to survive the situation.

Men are seen as “cool” to sleep around because it’s subconsciously known that means he’s high value, and if he’s a Virgin that’s low value, because he maximizes his genetic potential by having lots of kids.

Women have opposite expectations for the same reason. It takes no effort to get a ton of guys to sleep with you but evolutionarily speaking you’d only want kids with the highest value mate and with someone who sticks around to maximize your genetic potential.
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>>25667439
Vidya is entertainment, mate. Not a hobby unless you're making your own vidya.
>>25667486
Bernadette banner. I can't tell if a woman is wearing makeup or not unless it's extreme so I assume she does. I don't think it's angles and filters but she probably pays some attention to that on her editing. She's just turbo cute and I appreciate her autism. I don't know if she's overrated, I guess not?
>>25667554
I don't know if hormones smell, though. Even if they did your body wouldn't just dispose of them like that, would it? I don't know how T smells in plants the steroids give them the pungent smell. Maybe start sniffing plants till one has the smell you like and then tell me which one it is so I can satiate my curiosity?
Also would it satisfy you if you could get that smell without the cock and balls?
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>>25667594
Don’t give up, only when both husband and wife are equal can society be solved. I didn’t say same before some twat chimes in
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>>25667642
>Maybe start sniffing plants till one has the smell you like and then tell me which one it is so I can satiate my curiosity?
Next planting season I'll sniff my garden for you, just remind me.
>Also would it satisfy you if you could get that smell without the cock and balls?
Not really. Having my fave right up next to them, or at least burying my face in clothes that were touching them, adds a lot to the sensory experience.
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>>25667638
>Men are seen as “cool” to sleep around because it’s subconsciously known that means he’s high value, and if he’s a Virgin that’s low value, because he maximizes his genetic potential by having lots of kids.
No it's not. This is all social. Men who slept around in older times would get STDs or have their kids aborted/murdered, as well as be exiled. It does not provide anything good for a tribe to have rampant inbreeding and extreme competition for women.

Look up the history of castration and punishments for adultery. The western invention of sexual liberation, first for men and then later for women, is not the natural order of things. It actually came about due to patriarchy and wealth imbalances, as well as excess women due to rampant warfare by patriarchal states leaving many men dead.
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>>25667618
Then you probably haven’t spoken to plenty of women about it
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>>25667642
False. People are so afraid of consumption but it goes hand in hand with creation. Playing video games, ruminating on them, and applying what that means to you to other areas of your life is as good a hobby as any other as long as you don't let it take over your life.
Not everyone writes essays on it or even thinks that deeply about it. But it's the little things. They add up. Any small thing can be a hobby.
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>texting with my crush
>shes quarantined for week cause corona
>says she just binge watches movies
>ask what sort of movies, ask for recomendation
>no reply
>assume she got bored and left me on read
>2 days later
>open snapchat
>i see she did reply 2 days ago, but i didnt get any notification
>she recommended me shawshank redemption

i think im gonna see her tomorrow at work
should i apologize or something
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>>25667642
>don't know how T smells BUT in plants the steroids
Fixed.
>>25667658
This is way too hot, I wish I could let you sniff my balls to your heart's content.
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>>25667666
What you said is literally not what it is, you are just projecting what you feel like it means.
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>>25667663
in tribal times only top males got to have sex and had harems

currently apps like tinder reinstated this idea
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>>25667682
>This is way too hot
And I wish more men felt this way.
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>>25667679
No. Don't even mention it unless she does. In fact, sometimes not replying for periods of time is good to keep things fresh and gives off the idea to your crush that you are busy or have a life outside of... you know... her

This doesn't mean ignore her, or be short with your responses. Still give thoughtful responses. A good rule of thumb is to wait to reply roughly the same amount of time she does
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>>25667693
Monogamy is required for a stable civilization. By removing this, you will return to tribalismdd8vm.
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>>25667663
>No it's not. This is all social. Men who slept around in older times would get STDs or have their kids aborted/murdered, as well as be exiled. It does not provide anything good for a tribe to have rampant inbreeding and extreme competition for women.

There is nothing such as “all social”, society exaggerates biological imperatives that are already there.

Nothing you are saying here disproves my points, the societal pressure was always on high value males breeding with a large amount of women and keeping low value ones down. This just logically makes sense genetic wise, if you have 30 kids your genes are more likely to pass on than having 2.

We can see this in other species today such as our closest living relatives in the primate world.

>Look up the history of castration and punishments for adultery. The western invention of sexual liberation, first for men and then later for women, is not the natural order of things. It actually came about due to patriarchy and wealth imbalances, as well as excess women due to rampant warfare by patriarchal states leaving many men dead.

False. Inside the human genome we can see we have far more female ancestors than male ones. A small minority of males were able to pass on their genes whereas most women were also able too. Monogamy and chastity developed relatively recently in order to create civilization by controlling animalistic human behavior.
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>>25667099
>we're just friends and that I should just be chill and enjoy
lmao this guy probably has a fetish for being findommed
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>>25667703
Link evidence
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>>25667679
You should add her on a decent platform.
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>>25667500
i'm not black btw
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>>25667731
JD Unwin
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>>25667731
"Why are so many men dropping out of society?"
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>>25667710
Male mortality rates were much higher before civilization came about. It's unsurprising that a teenager killed in a hunt, and who never reproduces, would lead to more female ancestors in our overall genetic pool, given women had lower mortality rates.

It's not because there was some alpha male at the head of the tribe, it was because men died more often than women and this left an imbalance filled by the remaining alive men. It's highly unlikely men were kept from reproducing due to polygamy enforced by some "alpha male", if they were able to survive long enough to reproduce they likely did.


Beyond that in modern polygamous societies women engaged in polygamy have much worse mental health issues and the men have altered states of consciousness encouraging violence. Furthermore a child's mortality is much higher in a polygamous marriage than a monogamous marriage, and they're far more likely to have mental health issues. Not exactly great progeny. It's obviously a subpar reproductive strategy born of necessity or circumstance rather than need.
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>>25667679
Nah don't worry about it. Just thank her for the recommendation and start a new convo
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How do I ask women out without coming off as creepy
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>>25667679
I feel you

>message crush cuz feelin down
>instead of gushing my emotions over text, just ask for a joke
>really needed one that day
>he sends me a message saying jokes aren't his specialty and he just searches them up
>mind explodes
>just uninstall everything after sending my calmest reply of 'yeah but i would've liked it anyways'
>don't check for 2 days
>finally check today
>he had sent me one minutes after

it was a good joke too. i'm just glad i didn't send him anything out of anger because i was so close to blowing up and ruining our friendship.
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>>25667486
Didn't care enough to commit her name to memory. Probably lost to the ages. Generally speaking I do think it's mostly makeup and good lighting.
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>>25667710
>>25667769
Also those men who died may have failed to reproduce but their brothers and fathers certainly didn't. Ergo the kindness gene we see in humans, which has been passed down to modern man as selflessness was actually more likely to survive and procreate than selfishness.

There is genetic evidence for a kindness gene, as well as evidence that men lose testosterone after mating ONCE. It makes no sense for us to have either of these biological elements if the best method was hoarding women and increasing testosterone to dominate other men.
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Women, how do I move forward with a woman who is very inexperienced and maybe a virgin? She has come over a few times and it always stops at kissing. Both in mid twenties.
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>>25667679
>stories that never happened
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>>25667769
>Male mortality rates were much higher before civilization came about. It's unsurprising that a teenager killed in a hunt, and who never reproduces, would lead to more female ancestors in our overall genetic pool, given women had lower mortality rates.
>It's not because there was some alpha male at the head of the tribe, it was because men died more often than women and this left an imbalance filled by the remaining alive men. It's highly unlikely men were kept from reproducing due to polygamy enforced by some "alpha male", if they were able to survive long enough to reproduce they likely did.
>Beyond that in modern polygamous societies women engaged in polygamy have much worse mental health issues and the men have altered states of consciousness encouraging violence. Furthermore a child's mortality is much higher in a polygamous marriage than a monogamous marriage, and they're far more likely to have mental health issues. Not exactly great progeny. It's obviously a subpar reproductive strategy born of necessity or circumstance rather than need.

1) there is no indication men’s mortality was the only reason so few men mated. Yes, it is one reason, perhaps the main reason, but it still pushes forward the point a minority of men would have many children with a majority of women as a evolutionary strategy.

2) all reproductive strategies are born out of necessities, it’s not “subpar” if it’s the natural result of circumstances. Polygamy would happen because multiple women could shack up with a highly succesful male as the other males are less successful and can’t take care or them or died.

For most of human history we didn’t live past 30, mental health is a modern phenomenon. You could have nightmarish mental health as a caveman but if you fucked a lot you were a genetic win.
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>>25667756
>>25667757
That is not how that works. Be more than a crying incel
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>>25667789
>There is genetic evidence for a kindness gene, as well as evidence that men lose testosterone after mating ONCE. It makes no sense for us to have either of these biological elements if the best method was hoarding women and increasing testosterone to dominate other men.

Because it’s not that simple and I never said it was. Another valid method was the guy sticking around and making sure the offspring does well instead of getting more girls.

That doesn’t negate the fact that it’s still a logical evolutionary strategy for one male to produce a huge amount of offspring to increase genetic potential.
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>>25667780
You simply can't, if you're below 7/10 looking and rich.
Best thing you can do, learn what places she frequents and come there when she's there meeting by "accident" and think about it like a date.
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>>25667804
>That is not how that works. Be more than a crying incel
You are a fucking idiot. Any honest anthropological study would find that enduring civilizations valued chastity, family, and monogamy. This is present at the core of all our cultures especially the successful ones for a reason. Or I guess you think it’s all a coincidence it’s in almost every major religion. Once again you’re a retard.
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>>25667799
Honestly what works/worked for me was just forcing it on me. I'd make sure she's ok and aware of that though if you do go that route but it's not the best method for dealing with normie women.
Not having time to be nervous/worry about not knowing what to do helps though.
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>>25667799
Is she religious? She could be waiting until marriage. How long have you been dating? Are you looking for a serious relationship with potential for marriage?
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>>25666922
I think a lot of women internalise sexual shame, exactly because the expectation is that no one cares about their pleasure. So having someone offer it can set off a sort of self-conscious guilt complex. Kinda like expecting a mother to just sit down and relax after christmas lunch instead of compulsively clearing the table, as if anyone cares if some dirty dishes sit there for a few minutes.
Keep trying though. I was the same with my first partner, but with a little patience from him and willingness from me, I was able to embrace it and it did a lot for our overall sexual communication.

One problem for me was it felt very 'lonely at the top.' There's no eye contact connection and you can't look down in that position without invoking pic related which makes the self-consciousness even worse. One thing we did to get past that was hold hands during, which provided emotional support and was a communication tool, clenching hands rather than having to rely on making awkward porny sounds or whatever.
A man receiving oral sex is also considered to be quite a 'dominant' position, so as a woman receiving, if she's not naturally dominant, it can make her feel very out of her element, unsure of what to do, and again activate that guilt of feeling like she's committing a selfish act. But it's possible to lean into the self-consciousness to turn it into a more palatable submissive act that's more in her emotional comfort zone, if you play up how this is something you want to do for yourself as much as for her, how you want to see the vulnerability of her pleasure, etc. For a man receiving oral, the attitude is generally a "yeah, take it" sort of thing which a lot of women would be uncomfortable emulating. But for a woman, receiving can be more about being willing to vulnerably surrender to pleasure. In fact, a man can carry a "yeah, take it" attitude into both giving and receiving, to give it a little emotional continuity.
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>>25667780
If you really wanted to know, you wouldn’t ask on an incel forum.
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>>25667802
>1) there is no indication men’s mortality was the only reason so few men mated.
There's also no indication polygamy and mate hoarding is why.
>but it still pushes forward the point a minority of men would have many children with a majority of women as a evolutionary strategy.
Out of necessity. Do you know what Muhammad said about polygamy? I find it really interesting so I'll post it:
>It is believed these Verses were revealed after the Battle of Uhud, in which many Muslim men were killed, leaving widows and orphans.
>If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.
>—Qur'an, Sura 4

Furthermore explain the genetic evidence for monogamy and selflessness and the attraction women have to it.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fatherhood-lowers-testosterone-keeps-dads-at-home/#:~:text=Men%20who%20stayed%20single%20showed,average%20dropped%20about%2030%20percent.
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>>25667831
She is religious, dating for about a month. Yes to the last question.
>>25667830
Thats been the case so far with kissing / making out, so maybe thats the route I need to go. She recently got out of college from a small school and said she didnt date nearly at all.
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>>25667802
>For most of human history we didn’t live past 30,
Source? Also human use of tools makes it significantly easier to kill a human than without tools like animals. If there was an alpha like with Walruses, the betas would simply spear him to death and take the women.
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>>25667841
I should add I went through this in high school with my first girlfriend when we were both virgins and I am getting similar vibes, just wondering how to progress through this as an adult.
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>>25667829
Link evidence
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>>25667841
>She is religious, dating for about a month. Yes to the last question.
Okay then spend several more months getting to know and love her as a person, and she'll easily feel comfortable enough to have sex with you or you will want to marry her anyways.

I don't see why you're trying to force a virgin to have sex with you, but unless you want rape and battery charges, don't listen to the schizo poster.
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>>25667838
>There's also no indication polygamy and mate hoarding is why.
Except yes there is, because we in our culture even today and in past cultures had venerated figures of conquering males who took many mates.

And for the fourth time it makes logical sense from an evolutionary perspective.

> Out of necessity. Do you know what Muhammad said about polygamy? I find it really interesting so I'll post it:
Holy shit like I already said ALL reproductive strategies are out of necessity, they are based on the context of the time as what works for a time period will pass on until it stops working

> Furthermore explain the genetic evidence for monogamy and selflessness and the attraction women have to it.
That disproves nothing I’m saying
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>>25667459
Can anybody help me
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>>25667852
That plus in some monkey species the "alpha"'s children get fucking murdered, either by one of his bitches trying to maintain dominance or some of the males.
In human society infanticide is much higher when polygamy occurs, as well as general childhood abuse.
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Alright Men, my plan is to take a day off of work, just so I can show up to work for 15 or so minutes in a cute outfit, drop some freshly baked treats off and chat with my crush before going back home.

Is this a good plan? These dresses won't wear themselves.
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>>25667863
>That disproves nothing I’m saying
Yes it does. Why would modern man LOSE testosterone after mating with a woman? That is an outcome which decreases his ability to be an "alpha" male. On a biological level we are encouraged by our body to be monogamous, polygamy is a social institution.
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>>25667181
I don't have an answer, but this post just made me realise how ironic it is for incels to complain about the whole 'beta bux' thing when they'd literally settle for anyone with a pulse as if that's not the same thing.
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>>25667804
Once men have no children, they do not care for the future and will drop out of society. That society will either collapse or get conquered by one that does enforce monogamy. Look at the current West or Japan for a better example.
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>>25667855
I like how this the normal response whenever lefty children get hit with common sense
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What are some other good copes aside from video games?
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>>25667863
>Except yes there is, because we in our culture even today and in past cultures had venerated figures of conquering males who took many mates.
Jesus Christ is probably the most respected man in history and he died a virgin. And these venerated figures -- how does it not prove it's social? We're told by patriarchal militaristic societies to look up to violence and rape. That's not our natural way.
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>>25667782
Explain how this could possibly make you feel angry.
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>>25667896
VNs are pretty good depending on whether you consider them video games or not.
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>>25667896
Exercise, walking, hiking, looking at nature., cleaning, organizing.
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>>25667876
Because there is also evolutionary pressure to get the guy to stick around so he protects the baby.

If that’s proof of monogamy, how do you explain the desire for men to continue having more and new mates? Because of the Coolidge effect eventually the male will be more turned on when sleeping with someone new as opposed to his baby mama he already slept with. This is a biological function that works against monogamy.
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>>25667799
She stops it at kissing? Or are you not making moves to push it further?
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>>25667896
Hardcore drugs, self harm, suicidal fantasies, chronic masturbation, ruining your relationship with your family and poisoning the neighbour's dog.
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>>25667900
>Jesus Christ is probably the most respected man in history and he died a virgin.
He is not a sex symbol
>And these venerated figures -- how does it not prove it's social? We're told by patriarchal militaristic societies to look up to violence and rape. >That's not our natural way.
Because nothing is just social, social structures are manifestations of biological imperatives.
How is that not our natural way? Human history involved humans fighting wild animals and other humans to reproduce, we are built to fight.
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>>25667923
Also based and recommended if you don't care about ruining your life
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>>25667916
Not sure. The first takes place on my couch, but its still quite early on and I dont know if bringing her to my room would be too forward and scare her off.
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>>25667901
I thought he was telling me to google it myself or telling me he no in a patronizing way. I thought he was trying to be mean. I almost wrote shit like "well at least you found a funny well to tell me no" or "are you seriously telling me to google it myself?" then i almost started sarcastic apologizing. Anyways, i stopped myself from typing any of that shit and just wrote i would've like it, since thats the truth. ofc he had no idea how horrible i was feeling atm since i don't let it show.
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>>25667405
She was probably joking around, because there's a stereotype of vegans being smug and finding excuses to bring up their veganism. A lot of the more normal ones get self-conscious about bringing it up as a result, and so pre-empt the judgement by leaning into it and PRETENDING to be smug, so you know they're aware of the stereotype and can see they mock that sort of attittude and are 'one of the cool ones.'
Or maybe you just read a tone that wasn't there, maybe a little projection since she technically could have declined without specifying the reason, which maybe made you feel self conscious.
Or maybe she had a little moment of smugness but is still capable of smiling and not being a full on incarnation of satan, because humans can be multifaceted.
Or maybe she was being smug and felt bad, and overcompensated with a friendly goodbye to show you there were no hard feelings on her end.
Or maybe she could tell you were ignoring her without knowing why, and was extra friendly when leaving to try and gauge if everything was okay.
Or maybe it just aint that deep.
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>>25667889
Non of that makes any sense, I see you got no evidence to link or even know much about history
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>>25667910
>cleaning, organizing.
What's the point of this?
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>>25667940
Do you want to live in filth?
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>>25667940
kek this websitel, post pics of your room pls
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>>25667939
Can you cite a civilization that lasted more than 150 years without a concept of marraige?
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>>25667890
This is not common sense, be less american. your education is a joke
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>>25667957
yeah those native people in jungles that live in stick huts.
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>>25667802
>For most of human history we didn’t live past 30
No.
Infant mortality rates were extremely high due to lack of modern medicine, but European record-keeping was very good for the time.
This lowers the overall average in retrospective tallies significantly.

If we included abortions into lifespan calculations, our average modern lifespan would be fucked too.
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Is it wrong of me to try and convince a friend of mine to give up his religious faith because I care about him and want him to be rational and open-minded?
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>>25667913
>Coolidge effect
Counter point: Coolidge effect is not universal at all and there are many married couples where brain scans show they're still deeply in love and satisfied with each other.
>Acevedo explains that the VTA is a “very primary system” that we use for basic rewards, ranging from food-seeking to mating. Simply thinking of your partner becomes a rewarding experience that activates that region — and when you continue to have a good relationship, that fuels the system.
https://www.inverse.com/mind-body/brain-scans-show-the-secret-to-maintaining-long-term-love

I think you've swallowed too many blackpills. Look at our society and tell me we're happy and our bodies want us to be this way -- people are having more sex than ever before with more luxaries than ever before yet we're still depressed and killing ourselves at massive rates. Our bodies are designed for monogamy and caring about others, societies which push us away from these things produce sadness.
Which is why it is a great irony to say it's just natural to go around town having sex with everyone, even raping, and not caring about people. It's not. Which is why your body makes you feel like shit. You're not doing it because your body wants it, you're doing it because you've been brainwashed.
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>>25667963
And what country are you from?
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>>25667923
>>25667932
>self harm
Quit when i was like 17
>suicidal fantasies
this is what i'm trying to cope from lol
>chronic masturbation
>ruining your relationship with your family
already doing that
>Hardcore drugs
>poisoning the neighbour's dog
not gonna do that
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>>25667782
Don't put people on the spot like that, if you ask for a joke then now there's so expectancy for the joke to be good. By saying that he later can easily go "yeah, google is shit for jokes" if the joke turns out to be bad.
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>>25667802
>For most of human history we didn’t live past 30
Retard who doesnt understand stats alert. Living to 30 has never been the case moron.
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>>25667935
So you would take offense at that reply if it had been the case, him failing to vend you a joke on demand? Because you felt bad?
And it was actually difficult to resist taking it out on this guy you just asked for a joke?
Don't be so self-centered.
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>>25667970
>because I care about him and want him to be rational and open-minded?
People that say this always end up being the biggest pieces of shit in existence
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>>25667964
Exactly, you can't name one.
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>>25667957
Marriage does not mean monogamy. Good talk, turns out you know nothing.
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>>25667970
Yeah you sound like a fag. Imagine wanting your friend to give up the most well founded path to spiritual fulfillment and happiness that has ever existed. You should convert instead
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>>25667973
One where schools are not csgo
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Girls, how to stop being insecure as a guy?
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>>25667984
Lol look at the mentally ill lefty redditor bitch. You are going to spend the rest of your life a miserable cunt, you know this right?
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>>25667971
>Counter point: Coolidge effect is not universal at all and there are many married couples where brain scans show they're still deeply in love and satisfied with each other.
Where did I say you can’t keep being in love or having satisfaction with each other?
That doesn’t disprove the Coolidge effect, it is still in effect, no it’s not the only driving force of our behaviors, I never said it was.
>I think you've swallowed too many blackpills. Look at our society and tell me we're happy and our bodies want us to be this way -- people are having more sex than ever before with more luxaries than ever before yet we're still depressed and killing ourselves at massive rates. Our bodies are designed for monogamy and caring about others, societies which push us away from these things produce sadness.
>Which is why it is a great irony to say it's just natural to go around town having sex with everyone, even raping, and not caring about people. It's not. Which is why your body makes you feel like shit. You're not doing it because your body wants it, you're doing it because you've been brainwashed.

I never made any claim on what leads to happiness or what is the point of life. I’m talking about evolution.
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>>25667927
>Because nothing is just social, social structures are manifestations of biological imperatives.
I've said it can be a valid reproduction strategy but it's inferior to others. We are adaptive to circumstances, such as high male mortality, but our bodies are designed to reward and encourage pair bonding.
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>>25667983
Was making a cheeky joke, mate.
>>25667989
>asking women how to not be insecure
lmao, shows how much you know about women.
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>>25667988
>being too big of a coward to name your own country
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>>25667990
You have to fantasize that my life is going to be bad so you can cope with being wrong
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>>25667970
Religion is very rational, I guess you are the one who is not open-minded about religion
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>>25667799
>it always stops at kissing
Who stops it?
If she stops it, that's probably as far as she's willing to go. If it just naturally fizzles out, you're probably not doing anything to escalate the situation and she's too self conscious to do it herself.
Have you talked about sex? You didn't really address whether she could be waiting for marriage, so it's possible she has no intention of going any further. It's a strong enough possibility that you could honestly just bring up and ask if she's waiting, so at least if that's the case you don't have the possibility hanging over you.
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>>25668000
I really don't have to fantasize about anything. Im older than you and have seen it all before.
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>>25667989
That's a question you really need to be asking yourself
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>>25667981
It wasn't the first time, he had just literally given me jokes when I asked. I was taking offense at the reply for completely different reasons, which I will not explain. It has nothing to do with me being "self centered", and I know I'm not.

>>25667978
I wasn't putting him on the spot, he had always just done it. There isn't a time limit either. I politely asked him for a joke, and I've always thanked him for them.
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>>25667992
>I never made any claim on what leads to happiness or what is the point of life. I’m talking about evolution.
And evolution determines what we seek and what makes us happy, our brain's reward system for evolutionarily advantageous behavior. Why are people who have more sex with more people, on average, less happy? I would like you to explain that to me, as well as why we would be genetically inclined to selflessness if the best reproductive strategy was mate hoarding.
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>>25667977
What about the neighbour's cat then? Cats are assholes anyway, the guy probably doesn't like the cunt either and only keeps it around cause his wife or daughter think it's cute.
Nah, seriously, get active. Do some exercise or practise some sport. Supposedly vitamin D helps with that kind of stuff so get some sunlight too.
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>>25667989
Not a question for women to answer. What are your insecurities?
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>>25668007
I can't find the answer on my own though
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>>25668003
There is only evidence of the opposite
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>>25667984
It implies an exclusivity. Without a mate, men will not care for the world after them, so they become mindless consumers and do nothing of note until they die. The top 10% of the male population can not run an entire society by themselves. Look up "Why are men dropping out of society."
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>>25667970
Turbo asshole of your part, and this is coming from a non religious guy. How would it make you feel if he asked you to change your beliefs like that?
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>>25668004
She stops it I guess, its usually towards the end of us hanging out, so its kind of a "well its getting late" type of thing. We havent talked about sex, not directly no. I suspect she may be waiting for marriage. Just through talking with her so far Ive gathered that she has dated very little in her life, and is still religious, although not anything crazy.

She has appreciated me being direct so far, i.e. asking her out and what not, so maybe thats the best approach here.
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>>25666898
No, they are actually much nicer since I look better and more feminine. Not sure which one of those did it though
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>>25668015
I would say that mostly they are about wether other people want me hanging out with them or not. Also about wether they want to talk to me or not
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>>25668005
If age is the only education you got I understand why you dont even know how marriage work
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>>25667992
>Where did I say you can’t keep being in love or having satisfaction with each other?
You said:
>If that’s proof of monogamy, how do you explain the desire for men to continue having more and new mates? Because of the Coolidge effect eventually the male will be more turned on when sleeping with someone new as opposed to his baby mama he already slept with. This is a biological function that works against monogamy.

Which implies caring about your partner is unusual or disadvantageous. Which makes no sense based on the study showing married couples have very strong bonds on a biological level, even having more rewards for being with their partner instead of having sex.
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Is it weird that some days i wish everyone was happy and got along with each other, and then some days i just wish our entire society would just collapse and human connection is completely destroyed by technology?
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>>25668008
If this is common between you two then it's fine, but you're still overthinking it. When we say "I get my jokes from google" what we really are trying to say is "I get my jokes from google".
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>>25668018
They do that being monogamous too the fuck kind of retard logic is this kek
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>>25668032
You're like a kindergartener playing house in a kitchen. You're silly new wave world view is going to get crushed, (if it hasn't already) but youre such a narcicistic piece of shit you double down on it.
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>>25668009
>And evolution determines what we seek and what makes us happy
No it doesn’t.
>our brain's reward system for evolutionarily advantageous behavior.
Not really. All feelings are part of that system. If evolution makes you not step in fire because it hurts like hell is it trying to make you happy? No it isn’t.
>Why are people who have more sex with more people, on average, less happy?
Never heard of this. Maybe they are already unhappy and chasing pleasure to compensate. Evolution does in fact make you feel pleasure from sex especially with new people to encourage this behavior.
>I would like you to explain that to me, as well as why we would be genetically inclined to selflessness if the best reproductive strategy was mate hoarding.
We are genetically inclined to different strategies to best pass on our genes. A provider strategy where you have a small amount of offspring who you watch carefully exists. But so does a strategy of mating with as many people as possible to have as many children as possible.
Women have their own strategies. Women are attracted to men’s ambition and status and confidence because it implies he will have resources she can use and the offspring will be succesful like him. They can be attracted to a man who gets tons of women because it implies those women are seeing something in him of value so he may have high value as a mate even if he will he hard to get to commit. But they can also be attracted to someone who is dedicated to them as it implies they’ll stick around.
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>>25668046
>You're silly new wave world view is going to get crushed
Your
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>>25666898
As someone who wears pic related, no not at all. Usually they just compliment me.
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>>25668038
Because of technology I can connect with more people
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>>25668043
Most fathers are not NEETs
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>>25668041
I understand that. Like I said, I was feeling horrible and in a very bad state. That's why I calmed myself down and held myself back. I knew it'd be wrong to lash out at him because I knew I was overthinking it.
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>>25668034
> Which implies caring about your partner is unusual or disadvantageous.
No it doesn’t. It implies there are functions in our biology that work against monogamy which is true.
> Which makes no sense based on the study showing married couples have very strong bonds on a biological level, even having more rewards for being with their partner instead of having sex.
There is 0 chance the married couple feels more addictive physical pleasure being with each other than they would having intense novel sexual experiences which releases tons of hormones
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>>25668017
Oh yeah? How so? I think it's mostly political anti-religous propaganda
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>>25668061
lol nah its not really like that. I mean more like how the humans were in wall-e.
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>>25668017
Sure thing, 13 year old
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>>25668016
Insecurities never really go away. Self care is all that can help illeviate it. Work on yourself. Ask yourself what you don't like about yourself and try to do everything you can to improve it, or mask it. If you're insecure about things that you can't actually change about yourself, then you aren't insecure. You're depressed and you need to see somebody about that
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>>25668038
Yes, it seems like you're a little unstable.
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>>25668046
You are old and act like a retarded toddler. Sorry that the only thing you knew about marriage was wrong and now have to cry about it
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Guys, do you like pegging?
Would you let your gf do it if she really wanted to?
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>>25668050
>No it doesn’t.
Yes it does. Happiness is directly correlated with lifestyles keeping us fit and reproducing.
>Not really. All feelings are part of that system. If evolution makes you not step in fire because it hurts like hell is it trying to make you happy? No it isn’t.
I said the brain's reward system is for advantageous behavior. You won't be rewarded by stepping in fire. What was your point here? The brain makes you feel like shit for having meaningless sex too, have you never had post nut clarity?
>Never heard of this. Maybe they are already unhappy and chasing pleasure to compensate. Evolution does in fact make you feel pleasure from sex especially with new people to encourage this behavior.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/promoting-empathy-your-teen/201301/link-between-sexual-promiscuity-and-depression-in-teens
https://bigthink.com/guest-thinkers/does-sleeping-around-make-people-happier/

Nothing compares with the satisfaction of loving one person deeply and having them love you deeply. Sexual promiscuity is often related to having negative relationships or having been abused. Your brain and body will not encourage you to have sex outside of your pairbond if you're a healthy man in a healthy relationship.
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>>25668052
That's overdressed.
>>25668068
If you knew you were overthinking then why didn't you stop overthinking it?
>>25668095
Sounds hot in theory. Never done it and would be afraid of she taking it too far.
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>>25668092
You're going to get out of an "open relationship" by killing yourself. I know sticking it to people like me may seem like great motivation here while you're still a young child, but you also have to realize that one day you will be 30, and then 40, etc.
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>>25668095
>Guys, do you like pegging?
No
>Would you let your gf do it if she really wanted to?
Yes
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>>25668095
No because I'm not a mentally ill lefty faggot.
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Would you rather a girl shut her eyes while you’re having sex or have them open? Lost my virginity yesterday and had them shut most of the time from shyness. I feel like it would’ve been hotter for him were they open but idk :/
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>>25668104
>why didn't you stop overthinking it?
I just said I was in a really bad state. I'm not just going to get over my horrible fucking feelings for the shitty shit going on in my life by "just stop feeling bro". I controlled myself and did no harm, which is what is important.
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>>25668106
Pathetic.
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>>25668095
No.
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>>25668107
Why are you upset at left handed people? I was just born this way :(
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>>25668069
>There is 0 chance the married couple feels more addictive physical pleasure being with each other than they would having intense novel sexual experiences which releases tons of hormones
The science is clear, as already shown with the MRI study of their brains I already posted.
Beyond just that study let me post another, about married couples being asked to have more sex and the resulting effects:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201607/does-having-more-sex-really-make-people-happier

Your social views on sex are clouding clear scientific, even irrefutable, proof of how our brains work to encourage monogamy. I enjoyed talking with you much more earlier in this reply chain; the issue definitely has nuance, and room for me to learn, but I'd ask you work off of what we know and is clear.
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>>25668109
Plenty more opportunity, dont worry about it. But yes, eye contact is hot.
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>>25667638
>Men are seen as “cool” to sleep around because it’s subconsciously known that means he’s high value, and if he’s a Virgin that’s low value, because he maximizes his genetic potential by having lots of kids.
>Women have opposite expectations for the same reason. It takes no effort to get a ton of guys to sleep with you but evolutionarily speaking you’d only want kids with the highest value mate and with someone who sticks around to maximize your genetic potential.
This is such horse shit. You know what kind of man "maximuses his genetic potential"? Fucking deadbead black men who have 5 abandoned children with 5 abandoned mothers. Such evolution.
Meanwhile the current narrative against women is explicitly the fact that she's able to sleep with many Chads instead of having to settle for a single low value male.
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>>25668110
>I'm not just going to get over my horrible fucking feelings for the shitty shit going on in my life by "just stop feeling bro".
Very weird.
>I controlled myself and did no harm, which is what is important.
Fair enough I guess. Good job.
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>>25668096
Dude the research you linked was a survey from 1994, non of that is good data. At least read the stuff you post or did you really think this was somehow evidence?
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>>25667693
you're thinking of gorillas, dude
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>>25668095
Yes, but I've never tried it so there is a chance I might end up not liking it
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>>25668105
are you trying to guess my life again because you were wrong. Are you not suppose to be smarter at your age?
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>>25668095
Haven't tried it but no to both. There's no relationship where a girl respects you and wants to be the one doing the fucking. Only one of us gets anally penetrated, and it's not me.
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>>25667693
The agricultural revolution made this system no longer work
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>>25667486
Thomasin Mckenzie
she just has a pretty face
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Girls: My gf keeps wanting to watch terrible movies with me and every time I say no she gets really upset. What do I do?
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>>25668127
>Very weird.
Yeah when tangibly bad things are happening in your life they can impact your mental state. It's how you assert self control and let the state pass through you that you overcome it.
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>>25668095
if she really wanted and let me do her's first, maybe.
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>>25668126
Pregnancy is an investment for a woman, so a woman who takes any man's seed has problems. A healthy woman looks for a man who she knows will keep her safe during the pregnancy period.

There is no better way to ensure safety and security, for a woman, than to have a baby inside her where the father is healthy and is sure its his.

Maybe casual sex can be separated from real sex, but either way the type of woman to "fuck chads" is also the type of woman to be kicked out of a tribe or be unable to support her children.
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>>25668145
Do it. But then make her watch anime with you
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is it true that women don’t like muscles? currently on a /fit/ journey but don’t know how much to build
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>>25668120
Thank you. And true. I’ll try for more next time haha
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>>25668119
>Your social views on sex are clouding clear scientific, even irrefutable, proof of how our brains work to encourage monogamy. I enjoyed talking with you much more earlier in this reply chain; the issue definitely has nuance, and room for me to learn, but I'd ask you work off of what we know and is clear.
Because that’s not what the science says. The Coolidge effect is a fact. The intense hormonal rush from sex is a fact.
You can not just point to married couples today as proof of an overall genetic fact.
None of your studies are disproving what I’m saying. If we take someone who is in a long committed relationship and have them have great sex with a new super attractive person, they will have pleasure. Does that mean they can’t resist this desire or won’t have psychological resistance to it? No.
That doesn’t change how the body actually works.
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>>25668128
The survey had over ninety thousand students in it and was conducted by a respected team.
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>>25668156
There is no way you are this confused
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>>25668109
Bumping because I’m genuinely curious but it seems like no one here has even had sex or could give an answer cuz you’re autistically fighting about something people irl don’t care about! Like 1 more pov would be appreciated

Inb4 yada yada yada. I know what website i’m on
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>>25668126
>This is such horse shit. You know what kind of man "maximuses his genetic potential"? Fucking deadbead black men who have 5 abandoned children with 5 abandoned mothers. Such evolution.
>Meanwhile the current narrative against women is explicitly the fact that she's able to sleep with many Chads instead of having to settle for a single low value male.

Because you aren’t understanding what I am saying. Evolutionary desires are not a hard and fast rule.

Ask yourself why does the guy have 5 abandon children with 5 abandoned mothers. Do you think it’s possibly because he’s evolutionarily programmed to enjoy having sex with different women?

The current narrative is irrelevant, I’m talking about long trends. There have been plenty of cultures that didn’t take the evolutionary functional route and they died out.

Civilizations evolved patterns of slut shaming for various means such as assured paternity, only having kids when the family can support it, etc.
the evolutionary pressures weakened so the behavior is changing in current society. That doesn’t disprove evolutionary patterns.
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Is a 3.7 gpa considered good? Or does it have to be closer to 4.0
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>>25668156
You pretty much need to be juicing for extreme bulk to get so big to be unattractive.
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>>25668156
It's true, we are just poor little wobbly snails
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>>25668164
A piece of paper with questions, I remember those, no one ever answered those legit. Are you really that gullible
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>>25668172
For pretty much any purposes 3.7 is good. You should try to get better if you can but don't kill yourself to do it.
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How are you guys even typing that fast
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>If we take someone who is in a long committed relationship and have them have great sex with a new super attractive person, they will have pleasure.
And you think this temporary pleasure, if it even exists, is all that matters lol. A woman who has been raped, even by someone you consider a chad like some fratboy, has long lasting trauma and suicidal tendencies.

You're forcing your narrow worldview onto the science which clearly shows otherwise.
>Fig. 2 (A) Individuals self-reporting intense love for a long-term spouse show significant neural activation in dopamine-rich, reward regions of the VTA/SN in response to images of their partner vs a highly familiar acquaintance (HFN). (B) Image and scatter plot illustrating the association between brain response in the VTA and Partner minus close friend (CF), Inclusion of Other in the Self (IOS) scores. Greater closeness with the Partner was associated with greater response in the VTA for the Partner vs a CF. (C) Image and scatter plot illustrating the association between brain response in the NAcc/Caudate and number of years married to the partner. Greater years married was associated with stronger response in the NAcc/Caudate for the Partner (vs a CF). (D) Image and scatter plot illustrating greater response to the Partner (vs HFN) in the region of the posterior hippocampus is associated with higher sexual frequency.
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>>25668168
I would like the girl to have her eyes open, it will make it much more intense and feel like she likes me more
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>>25668152
>Pregnancy is an investment for a woman, so a woman who takes any man's seed has problems.
We're not talking about any man's seed, we're talking about Chad's seed.
So which is it? Is Chad a high value male or isn't he? You can't say "women are wired to seek high value males, and high value males fuck all the women" in one breath but "women who fuck Chad have problems and would be kicked out of the tribe" in another. You're just doing mental gymnastics to try and give your bullshit feels an evolutionary basis.
If women are evolutionarily wired to seek out Chad, then it only makes sense for her to fuck every Chad she can to maximise her chances of having a Chad baby.

>the type of woman to "fuck chads" is also the type of woman to be kicked out of a tribe or be unable to support her children.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101110161930.htm
10 Chad dads is better than 1 beta dad.
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>>25668154
But she wants to watch capeshit and I'm so bored of it.
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>>25668187
Is this incel science?
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>>25668187
i love the part where you ignore everything, especially that the only way to gain security and safety during a woman's most vulnerable state is to have the man be sure it's his offspring.
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>>25668190
So entertain yourself with her body. It should be impossible to be bored with a woman next to you.
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>>25668179
ah okay, thanks
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Niggas, stop being stuck in pre-agricultural times. After the agricultural revolution, if a beta had land he could have 10 wives (and more sometimes)
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>>25668195
Only if you want it to be. It could just as easily be yass queen slay science.
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>>25668205
beta and chad don't exist, it's just a cope for failures to blame their genetics. that or a cope for manwhores who feel empty inside to feel like victors while they watch their friends have happy marriages and children.
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>>25668197
You think fucking tribes understood the science of paternity? See the link I posted, everyone just fucked everyone. "It takes a village to raise a child" is a term for a reason.
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>>25668030
They wouldn't speak to you or invite you to things if they didn't want to interact.
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>>25668183
>And you think this temporary pleasure, if it even exists, is all that matters lol. A woman who has been raped, even by someone you consider a chad like some fratboy, has long lasting trauma and suicidal tendencies.

>temporary pleasure, if it even exists

Are you implying temporary pleasure is not a thing? Are you denying people are attracted to others and experience pleasure from orgasm?

>You're forcing your narrow worldview onto the science which clearly shows otherwise.

Its funny because that’s exactly what you are doing. You are cherry picking examples to gaslight yourself into thinking evolution wants everyone to be in angelic monogamous relationships.

All your science is showing is that people can have enjoyment from being with someone they love, where did I say otherwise?

That doesn’t disprove the Coolidge effect, that doesn’t disprove the clearly documented pleasure the body experiences from lust and sex with new partners.

Many cultures historically had extremely strict monogamous rules, even laws to put people to death or at least socially outcast them if they stepped out.

so did no one ever break marriage vows? Wrong, people would all the time get bored in their marriage and fuck other people. That even happens today. Are you saying the classic case of a spouse in a long marriage cheating with an exciting new fling is all a social construction and nothing biologically is pressuring them to acquire a new mate?
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>>25668213
This is literally me. I dumped my fiance who was absolutely obsessed and madly in love with me when I was like 23 because "I wanted to live life and fuck an asian chick" or something stupid like that. Realized it was the biggest mistake of my entire life about 28.
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>>25668213
Dynamics like beta and chad are just modern meme mythology. I like to think of these figures as gods made up in the modern era for basic concepts that people have been aware of for a long time. Obviously without the religious aspect.
They exist, but they only have as much power as we're willing to give them.
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>>25668173
yeah but what about the opposite? at what point do you hit diminishing returns?
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I can't believe this all stemmed from a question about cunnilingus. You guys are a fucking dog with a bone in that post thread, jesus christ. Thank god we've hit the bump limit, hopefully the threadspammer's around and saves us from muh evolutionary biology.
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Anyone here played beat saber? How tf do you get good at that? I can only do the easy and normal ones lol
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>>25668216
Nobody speaks to me or invites me to anything. I have to initiate everything...
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>>25668215
yes
if you're having sex with your woman multiple times everyday and are pretty sure you were with her continually for the last two or three days -- it's pretty reasonable to assume the child is yours. our ancestors knew how long it took for pregnancy to happen and even measured it just to be sure the child was theirs.

beyond that when a woman is most fertile men become the most protective of her. they've proven this through research.
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>>25668169
WILL YOU FUCKING FAGS SHUT THE FUCK UP HOLY SHIT YOU ARE RUINING THIS FUCKING THREAD
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>>25668226
Lift for you anon. Don't lift to get a girl. If you do it for a chick you'll give up as soon as things look impossible.
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>>25667800
wym
i was pissed
snapcaht is dogshit but for some reason she lieks it

probably sending out nudes to people i guess
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>>25668222
mri scans are cherry picks kay
you're WORDS WORDS WORDS MUH FEELS OVER REALS while i'm posting fucking brain scans

the biggest black pill of them all is humanity is actually pretty cool overall and you have become a cynical hateful little shit chugging blackpills for no good reason, wasting god only knows how much time of your life in the process.
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>>25668238
SHUT UP FAGGOT
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>>25668227
Why did you bring anything up? I have no idea what you're talking about, but now i'm curious. I'm like 5% irritated because i'm curious but too lazy to go looking. And i'm sure if i ask, you will refuse to explain.
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>>25668230
See source.
I'm out, you're dumb and arrogant, the most useless combination.
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>>25668240
REEEEEEEEEE
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>>25668231
I agree and apologise for making the mistake of engaging, I didn't realise how long that faggot had been carrying on until after I replied out of sheer probability of accidentally reading one of his posts.
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>>25668244
thanks for showing everyone here how retarded your incel copes are.
>>25668252
shhh you said you're done, no bitchfits crying about it now.
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>>25668254
>thanks for showing everyone here how retarded your incel copes are.
lol, you're the fucking incel, what are you talking about?

>>25668254
>shhh you said you're done, no bitchfits crying about it now.
I wasn't talking to you.
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>>25668226
look at CK underwear models and gymshark athletes
theyre all on gear, but mild doses

everything past that is too much
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Girls, how do I know if a girl is single without asking her directly or stalking her on social media?
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>>25668238
>mri scans are cherry picks kay
>you're WORDS WORDS WORDS MUH FEELS OVER REALS while i'm posting fucking brain scans

No, you bringing up mri’s showing people have enjoyment of a long term partner as though that is proof of anything is cherry picking.

If someone enjoys doing something, it will show up on the brain scan. Should a guy ditch his wife and fuck hot sluts, you’re going to see far more intense reactions on his brain scan.

>the biggest black pill of them all is humanity is actually pretty cool overall and you have become a cynical hateful little shit chugging blackpills for no good reason, wasting god only knows how much time of your life in the process.

Not really, I’m explaining to you a basic philosophical understanding that evolution is not here to make you happy or be moral. You are just in denial about this.
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>>25668257
Get to know her like a regular person
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>>25668259
>>25668255
>FEELS > REALS
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>>25668231
Is it really that hard for you kids to just ignore it?
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>>25668257
Not a girl, but ask a guy who might know if possible
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>>25668257
A quick browse of her pics is hardly "stalking"
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>>25668266
>ignore all of humanities history in which the cultures who most effectively murdered and raped the competition and spread their genes went on, it’s all a social construction.
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>>25668271
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Molestie nunc non blandit massa enim nec. Eget nunc lobortis mattis aliquam faucibus purus in. Aliquam sem fringilla ut morbi tincidunt augue interdum. Sed libero enim sed faucibus turpis. Euismod nisi porta lorem mollis aliquam ut porttitor leo a. Id porta nibh venenatis cras sed felis eget velit. Integer malesuada nunc vel risus commodo viverra. Eget magna fermentum iaculis eu non diam. Mi tempus imperdiet nulla malesuada. Ultrices sagittis orci a scelerisque purus. Ac auctor augue mauris augue neque gravida in fermentum et.

And that's why no one will have sex with me.
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Girls can I use you as a pillow while we watch movies?
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>>25668277
>word words words FEELS > REEEEELS
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How do you know if it’s a good kiss? Like, i have only kissed one guy and it was underwhelming a bit. People talk about loving to make out for hours and shit but idk. Will i know if its a good kiss or do i just not like kissing cuz all kisses are good?
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>>25668213
In that case, even the most undesirable, repulsive guy could have 10 wifes as long as he had land
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>>25668287
>too many big words!!!!1!1!
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>>25668293
>BRAIN SCAN SCARY
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>>25668282
Yeah but he’d have to say it jokingly like flirting jokingly or else i’d be creeped out. Like if he was dead serious i’d like he’s a superfreak
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>>25668288
It’s probably more to do with the connection rather than technique
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>>25668288
Kisses can definitely vary in quality. I've only kissed one guy, and our first couple were honestly kinda gross to me, but once I got the hang of it it became like my favourite thing.
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Worst thread to ask questions in haha
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>>25668288
Same way you know the difference between a good meal and an average meal. You feel it. In your stomach and in your fingers and in your crotch. A good kiss MAKES you want more, you don't want to separate, you want to press your body into his and stay that way for as long as possible.
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What place in society do lonely pathetic men have?
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>>25668294
>one brain scan that doesn’t prove my point disproves all of human history so ha!!!1!1
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>>25668305
Right here, buddy. Right here.
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>>25668288
It's an acquired taste. I didn't really get it at first either but you get better.
I still don't really get the making out for hours and hours thing and I still cringe whenever tongues are involved.
I think kisses are the best when the guy is actually horny because it feels like their lips are actually melting onto you and not in a bad slimy way which was my first experience.
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>>25668282
I'd rather you say that before or during sex, since afterwards, it just smells like your jizz.
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>>25668304
>>25668301
I hope i feel this way soon with him omg… that sounds amazing
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>>25668305
Transcendence. Read happiness beyond thought by Gary Weber.
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>>25668285
My lap? Sure.
My chest? That's a bit awkward.
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>>25668288
I didn't see the big deal about kissing either, until I tried kissing other girls.
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>>25668295
>goes down on you
>whoa! it smells so good here! I feel like in a field of flowers at the peak of blooming!
Like this?
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Femanons, do you find men that like to eat ass gross or odd?
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>>25668314
Kissing also takes practice. You can the be the shit element in a kiss if you aren't really sure what you're doing or if you aren't invested. Like most romantic things, having feelings for the person makes everything so much better.

>>25668316
What about stomach? Crotch? Butt?
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>>25668307
>IM DA ALPHA! words words words ALL WOMEN ARE ROASTOIDS!!!
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>>25668321
No like “mmm you smell sooo good. So hot” then just immediately start eating her out before she answers haha
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>>25668316
Can I play with your boobs while I lay on your lap?
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>>25668333
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH EVOLUTION CARES IF IM HAPPY SHUTUPPPP U HATE WOMANN
Cope.
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>>25668330
no.
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>>25668302
Try this one instead:
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>>25668341
seething
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>>25668347
>page 2
what the fuck
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>>25668336
Not poetic at all.
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>>25668331
>Kissing also takes practice
It was my first kiss :3 yesterday. I like him a lot, but the situation is complicated and i feel like i need to hold back my excitement/passion so as not to put him off. I want a butterflies in stomach type kiss someday >-< how long did it take you to get good/enjoy kissing?

Any other anons and femanons I’d appreciate your input too!
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>>25668359
Gotta keep up before the FAQautist shows up and ruins the thread
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>>25668357
>still crying
Enough. The best you had was the mri scan and it failed. Try and grasp the topic at hand before you engage in an argument and you won’t be humiliated next time. Or keep crying I guess.
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>>25668359
Page 3, and the thread has devolved into an incoherent autistic mess because of two shitposters.
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>>25668366
Are you a funny guy? If that’s your personality and she knows that + is attracted to you because of it then you can be poetic lmao
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>>25668095
No.
If I want to get fucked in the ass I can just get a man to do it.
But I don't, because I'm straight.
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>>25668381
Im neither one of those two, but I find it extremely pathetic when you people say "this thread is ruined" because other anons are having conversations about things you dont like or dont care about
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>>25668382
No, she's a hooker.
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>>25668367
Holding back is a good way to not enjoy it.

I've always enjoyed it and multiple women have told me I'm a good kisser.
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>>25668413
Why would your that on your mouth, mate?
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>>25668400
Only a problem when they spam this much. And page 3 is pretty normal at this point, so it's fine.
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>>25668331
>stomach? Crotch? Butt?
Those all seem awkward too. Presumably I'm sitting on a couch, so my butt isn't even accessible.
>>25668337
Sure, but don't get too rough or I can't focus on the movie.
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>>25668421
>Spam
You don't know what that word means, Spam is when someone posts "kill all trannies" over and over and over again replying to themselves. Two anons having a conversation a great lengths is fucking normal, and you can EASILY ignore it
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>>25668420
Practice.
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Women do you like your man to stay inside you until he goes soft or do you want him to pull out and get off you as soon as he's done?
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>>25668451
Which feels better for you? Or which do you want to do?
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>>25668469
Stay inside. It is a big moment of connection to just stay like that for me.
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>>25668451
Pull out before you even cum, please.
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>>25668489
Okay but I wouldn't sleep with a girl who wanted it that way so it's a moot point.
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>>25668471
I’d be happy with whatever the guy wants to do because i’m impartial
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>>25668489
>Pull out before you even cum, please.
You've gotta stop announcing yourself so blatantly.
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>>25668156
>is it true that women don’t like muscles?
Women love muscles. If you're roided out and look unnatural, that is what NOBODY likes. Just keep building muscle until you like what you see in the mirror. Don't lift for women.
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Is sex THAT good for men? Like is it really that amazing? Also are boobs really THAT enticing? This might seem like a stupid question but I’m genuinely curious
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>>25668451
>do you like your man to stay inside you until he goes soft
sure why not. i'm assuming the man is going to be the one deciding if he wants off of me or not
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>>25668542
Yes, yes, and yes. It's kind of hard to articulate the elation of pushing a girl on her back, fucking her in a motion that makes her tits bounce all the while saying ridiculous shit while she accepts it
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>>25668542
Boobs are very enticing.
I don't know how to gauge how good sex is cause I only experience it from my point of view. Maybe it is indeed much better for us than for women? I'll never know.
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>>25668542
Sex is good because of the emotion. The physical pleasure is great but on the whole I think it's much easier to give yourself physical pleasure than to share it from someone else; the experience is very different.

>boobs
I'm an ass man and hardly notice tits in most cases. If you want to ask where ass is really THAT enticing, then yes. I can't not-look at a fantastic ass. Every time I see a girl with a good ass I want to look, it's a compulsion that I don't really control.
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>>25668542
Boobs are nice.
Sex would probably be nice if I'd have it successfully. I know it's immensely gratifying to get a girl off manually thought.
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>>25668542
Men have a lot more testosterone which makes them desire sex more and be much more visually stimulated, trans men (women who become men) say taking testosterone makes them suddenly want sex more and to check out attractive bodies more.

Sex can be more pleasureable for a woman than a man if it’s done the right way as estrogen makes orgasms stronger and women can orgasm many times in a row
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>>25668542
Sex is meh. Boobs are to die for.
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>>25668542
I don’t know what’s up with me but I was obsessed with boobs as a kid now I barely care, asses though continue to be extremely enticing for me
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>>25668525
Sorry.
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>>25668542
Yes and yes
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>>25668554
>>25668560
>>25668561
>>25668573
Follow up question then: is there such thing as bad sex for men? Like is eh sex still really amazing and worth it for you?
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>>25668607
Eh sex is eh for a reason. It's not worth the effort. And yes, there's such a thing as bad sex. I'd say the instances of bad sex are much more common than the instances of good sex. Good sex =/= "I found a hole to use for 10 minutes so therefore I am satisfied."
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>>25668607
>is there such thing as bad sex for men?
Absolutely.
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>>25668607
It's pretty shite if the girl just lays there like a dead fish. I can get off on just using her as an glorified onahole but it's not fulfilling.
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>>25668607
>is there such thing as bad sex for men?
Yes, absolutely. I've had it so bad that I felt I couldn't keep seeing the girl.
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>>25668607
Yes, Im an extremely dominant man and even into BDSM a bit, and I really hate it when women want me to be submissive instead. I was once with a girl that didn't want me to touch her while she blew me, then refused to do any positions with her bent over or on all fours. I pulled her hair a little and she scolded me so then I pretended I got whiskey dick and went to sleep. It's not like I'm always Christian Grey or some shit, but fuck that.
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>>25668635
What about it was so bad :o what could she have done better?

>>25668633
How could she have moved better to make it better? Missionary there’s not much a lying down woman can do!
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>>25668635
I've had it so bad that my dick went soft and I left.

>what was she doing wrong
>>Was being uninvolved (dead fishing/not pushing back/couldn't find a rhythm because she kept changing hers).
>>Refused to turn the lights on, couldn't see shit on a very dark night
>>Hairy-ish pussy
>>Thought she was the master of giving head but I felt nothing
>>Faked an orgasm 30 seconds into riding my dick with zero attempt to make it real
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>>25668633
>girl just lays there like a dead fish
Virgin female here, I read this all the time but don't understand it. Does she just not move, lay down with her arms to her sides and close her eyes or some thing? How is it possible to not move during sex? I would assume she is holding you, feeling you up and touching you, maybe pushing her hips into you. I really don't get what this means.

How do I avoid this in the future?
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>>25668607
>>25668651
>>25668663
All you need to do is be enthusiastic and pay attention to your partner and the sex will be good.
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>>25668651
>>25668663
It feels good to you as well, doesn't it? Pursue that pleasure too, either for yourself or for the guy but be in it somehow.
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>>25668651
>What about it was so bad :o what could she have done better?
Uninvolved, disinterested, not very clean (hygiene is everything) etc etc so I couldn't keep seeing her. She was shocked too, she said how the sex was great and all I could think was "is she confusing me with someone else or what" because the sex was absolutely terrible. Some girls just think all they have to do in the bedroom is exist, since I have been with some who do absolutely nothing at all.
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>>25668675
>>25668674
How the fuck are you guys going to complain about women being dead fish and you have NO idea what she should be doing?
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>>25668495
Why not?
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>>25668585
So is it just interventional radiology for you, or did you do the whole imaging thing too? Ever done much with MRI?
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>>25668663
>I would assume she is holding you, feeling you up and touching you, maybe pushing her hips into you. I really don't get what this means.
You'd assume so but no, some girls will literally do NOTHING and just lay there and see nothing weird about it at all.
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>>25668663
This is what i was wondering! I was a virgin until literally a day ago lol and i’m hoping i was good enough for him. I need some tips for next time lol
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>>25668683
this
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>>25668683
Thanks for the answer. That does sound weird and leads me to believe they weren't enjoying it. When I masturbate I can't help but move so I can't see myself lying there.
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>>25668698
>That does sound weird and leads me to believe they weren't enjoying it.
Right? But it's not like that, they do genuinely enjoy it and want to be there but for some reason just do nothing. They're always shocked when I say it was bad or that I want to break up, because they just think it's the norm to be a dead fish.
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>>25668680
Because what's even the point of sex if you have to pull out? That's like cooking a meal and then throwing it in the bin. The only time I'd pull out is if she's begging me to cum somewhere else on her body. Not sharing the orgasm in some way really truly ruins sex. You get to share all of yours with me but I don't get to share mine with you? Hard pass.
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>>25668679
What she should be doing is being enthusiastic. Making sounds, communicating, demonstrating that she's enjoying it (and what specially she's enjoying) with her body language, etc. It's not fucking rocket science, just don't phone it in.
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>>25668765
>talking during sex
cringe
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>>25668767
No one said the communication had to be verbal famalama
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>>25668787
I wouldn't know, never had sex. :^)
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>>25668682
Pretty much. I overlay MRIs with CT and PET and other radiographs, but that's about it.
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>>25668792
You should try it some time anon it's fun.
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>>25668792
All you have to do is moan harder or say the right words of encouragement such as
>oh fuck
>right there
>don't stop

And talking during sex is pretty normal. You wouldn't download about your day but having some banter going on is great for the mood.
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>>25668764
A handjob to finish up can never be as intimate, right?
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>>25668827
Ah. Most of my experience working with radiology reports is musculoskeletal and neurological imaging. The thing I was great at was picking apart a spinal MRI report and finding holes in it, especially in comparison to the physical exam that preceded the MRI. It was so funny. You'd see nonspecific (or no) neurological deficits, the doc would get a lumbar MRI, and all of a sudden there'd be focal neuro deficits on the next exam that conformed to the MRI findings.

Fancy that huh?
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>>25668842
Handjobs might as well be the biggest sign of a girl being disinterested in sex.
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>>25668842
I think handjobs are hot in porn but in my (limited) experience women suck at giving handjobs irl.
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>>25668607
Yeah. I started to have bad sex once. The fact that you were interrupted it is one of the strongest pieces of evidence for the existence of God that I've ever seen. I've literally humped couches and had more fun.
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>>25668842
Handjobs suck.
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>>25668845
Reading radiographs is fun when there's no pressure if you miss something.
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>>25668542
>s sex THAT good for men? Like is it really that amazing?
It can be the most enjoyable activity imaginable.

>Also are boobs really THAT enticing?
Boobs of all sizes are magical. They seize the mind of a man for the briefest of moments. It's uncanny.
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>>25668852
>>25668866
>>25668945
But I love giving them and try very hard to make them as pleasurable as possible.
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>>25668976
You
Are
Shit
At
Handjobs

Get that through your thick fucking skull. All women are. You don't have dicks and you haven't spent decades+ refining your own technique. I could wank myself better with my offhand and just my imagination than you could do with a handjob.

I'm not having sex with you to get a sexual act I can do myself. Handjobs should be limited to light stroking to get the party started. If you finish me that way I might as well have stayed home and wanked.
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>>25668967
Heh. Yes. It's like doing litigation. I *looooove* monday morning quarterbacking shit I see in the news.

Last time I did litigation I was constantly shitting myself over the possibility of fucking up.
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>>25668976
I think they sound nice. But being a virgin my opinion doesn't hold much weight.
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>>25669010
This post makes me very sad.
>>25669026
The informed opinion is important.
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>>25669013
That's why I like jobs where it's just you and your own time, so you can see if you make any fuck ups before submitting it or whatever.
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>>25669047
Yeah. I really should probably try to find a nice transactional law job. I'm still not totally over that last litigation matter I handled.

One of my best friends was trying to get me to set up an Avvo account though and I think he would've been willing to teach me how to do B2B debt collection.
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>>25669042
I don't want to make you sad but you push back on everything you get told ITT like it doesn't apply to you somehow. You are not the exception to the rule.
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>>25669056
The assertion that it's absolutely worse than something you could do for yourself seems hyperbolic, though. That's like saying I could enjoy masturbation more than sex with a guy. I could probably orgasm more easily, but I wouldn't enjoy it as much as doing something with him.
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>grab her hand and jerk off with it like a fleshlight
It’s win-win.
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>>25669052
I have no idea what that second paragraph means.
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>>25669067
See, you're pushing back. You're doing mental gymnastics to make it not apply to you. Hyperbole or not, it's worse than any other sex act we could choose to do, and it's sure as shit not how I WANT to finish sex with you.
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>>25669073
Avvo is a weird social network for lawyers that lets you find clients.
B2B debt collection is just like businesses that owe money to other businesses, as a way of distinguishing itself from consumer debt collection.
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>>25669076
Fine. Handjobs suck.
What would you suggest instead besides the obvious?
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>>25669078
Ah, gotcha. It's so complex it seems.
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>>25669084
There isn't an alternative. That's the point.
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>>25669091
It's not really haha. It's just different lingo.
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>>25669098
Fine. Point taken.
The next time I have a partner I'll suck it up and just let it happen.
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>>25669113
>The next time I have a partner I'll suck it up and just let it happen.
Please no. I'll be so heartbroken at the loss of your unique quirk.
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>>25668976
Okay that's based then
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>>25669102
The lingo seems like the hard part. Different terms, organizations, reference points, etc.
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>>25669113
You have to do it at some point. No self-respecting dude is going to marry a girl he never gets to cum in.
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>>25669121
Well there's basic lingo and then deep lingo. "consumer debt collection" isn't that deep for me, but "specific vs general jurisdiction" is pretty deep and requires knowledge of some pretty complex caselaw.
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>>25669119
If the unique quirk is actively making sex with me THAT bad, I'd rather work on it. And if all I have to do is have a condomed dick in me for an extra couple minutes or whatever, then I can make an honest attempt.
>>25669123
Just for reference, we're talking in a condom, right?
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>>25669132
>If the unique quirk is actively making sex with me THAT bad
I can't imagine it being THAT bad to just not coom.

It seems like a fun game really. Like edging with a partner.
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>>25669127
How long did you have to study to become proficient in it?
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>>25669132
>condom
I'm not, no.
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>>25668976
Why though? I can't say I've ever given a hand job, why not just blow him?
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>>25669137
Law school was 3 years. That's really it. I knew almost nothing going into it. Most of the hard doctrinal stuff was in the first year, could've fit it all in 2 years. I was dumb and took a lot of international law though.
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>>25669135
Edging is a whole different thing, pretty fun.
>>25669138
That's a step I can't just jump into. I can consider the baby steps, though.
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>>25669132
Different people like different things, just because that dude has a hateboner for handjobs doesn't mean all guys will. Just communicate.
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>>25669139
She can like whatever she likes as far as I'm concerned, but it absolutely can't be a one-way street where it's always about what she wants. No one with self-respect is always okay with that.
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>>25669149
>I can consider the baby steps, though.
When do you think your baby will take his first steps though?
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>>25669139
Hjs and bjs sort of go together, when I mention one I usually mean some of the other, too.
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>>25669150
I try. But I feel like guys out up with more than they'll admit they don't care for if it means they're getting their dick wet.
What are your preferences?
>>25669157
You said you weren't trying to make me sad.
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>>25669158
Except he doesn't get to cum in your mouth either and you won't suck after it's been in your pussy so you don't really mean that a sex-finishing hj includes anything else.
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>>25669153
I'm not talking about your weird obsession with connoisseur cooming, dude. I'm a woman asking another woman in curious good faith what she personally finds so appealing about a handjob that it doesn't simply turn into a blowjob. I don't care about your self respect.
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>>25669141
Wow, that's shorter than I expected.
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>>25669169
In the US you need a bachelor's first though. So it does seem long if that's what you started out wanting to do.

I didn't go to law school until I was 27 though, so whatever.
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>>25669166
>you won't suck after it's been in your pussy
Wrong. I prefer not to taste myself, but I'll gladly do it as part of finishing a guy off.
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>>25669173
Oh, yeh that's extra time on top. I'm 30 and been in higher education all my life and still don't have a bachelors. Just three associates.
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>>25669176
>I prefer not to taste myself
Huh. My exgf loved it. To each her own I guess.
I'd much rather have your interest in butt stuff than her interest in tasting herself on me.
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>>25669185
>I'm 30 and been in higher education all my life and still don't have a bachelors. Just three associates.
That's kinda cool though. Jill of all Trades feel. I like it.

I was in higher ed from 16-23 and 27-30. I almost went back for a master's in library science. Glad I didn't though.
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>>25669186
It feels too self indulgent, if that makes sense. I don't want to learn to enjoy that aspect of myself too much. I'd make use of that newfound interest too much.
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>>25669196
>all Trades
>photography, early childhood development, and general studies
I don't think so.
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>>25669210
>photography
Oh shit you got a degree in photography? I used to be WAY into it myself. You know how some guys get their first job and plow all their spare money into a car? I bought lenses.
>ecd
My mom has a bachelor's in it! She was accepted into a PhD program but didn't go. :(
>general studies
That's pretty "all trades" to me haha

I mean it all sounds pretty generally applicable. Kind of like me and my ling/cs + law shit.
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>>25669165
>What are your preferences?
I'm a chick sorry. My preference is open communication. If a guy can't communicate his needs after I've done all I can to make him comfortable doing so, then bad sex is his own choice (or rather, no sex is his own choice, because I wouldn't open my legs for someone so closed off).
You gotta play an active role in communication though, not just sit back and think "it's on him to say something if he's not satisfied." But you also don't need to set yourself up with loads of guesswork. Just ask, and make sure you never punish him for answering, otherwise he's liable to close right back up (eg if you ask him to open up about what he likes, and he admits to liking something you're really not into, don't be all "ew!" about it. You don't have to do it if you're not into it, but just be nonjudgemental, and appreciative of the fact that he trusted you enough to tell you).

Not that you asked for a lecture on communication lol, but while we're on the topic just thought I'd have a ramble for anyone who might benefit.
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>>25669197
What's the harm? Most guys seem to enjoy it. Unless every type of porn ever has been lying to me.
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>>25669166
lol, jesus christ dude, just tell us about your ex already instead of raging at some random anon for having the audacity to enjoy giving handjobs.
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>>25669215
That certainly sounds more respectable and usable, at least.
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>>25669223
>law
>respectable
Now I'm gonna accuse you of giving fake compliments.
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>>25669217
Oh. No homo but you can share your preferences anyway if you'd like.
>Not that you asked for a lecture on communication
Still appreciated it, thanks.
That
>You gotta play an active role in communication though, not just sit back and think "it's on him to say something if he's not satisfied."
part feels like something I'm guilty of. I just know I hate when a guy asks "is that good? You like that?" over and over, so I try to avoid it. What do you suggest as a good way to go about it?
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>>25669219
I don't want to find out I'm even more fun alone, if that makes sense. Too much time lost solo already.
>>25669232
I like it. It's interesting on a level I have zero experience in. Tackling it seems respectable to me. Eat me.
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>>25669256
>Eat me.
Am I allowed to make jokes yet, or was that just earlier?
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>>25669256
Time spent horny is never time wasted.
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>>25669262
Go for it.
>>25669263
I'd usually agree with you. But if it actively keeps someone from enjoying the same sort of thing but with someone else who's available, I'd think it's a waste.
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>>25669274
>Go for it.
Going for it.
>>25669256
>I like it. It's interesting on a level I have zero experience in. Tackling it seems respectable to me.
I mean it sounds fun to hold your hand through something you have zero experience in. I could go on all night.
>Eat me.
And also this.
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>>25669274
>if it actively keeps someone from enjoying the same sort of thing but with someone else who's available, I'd think it's a waste.
I don't follow. Expanding your sexual horizons can't be a bad thing in that regard. Sure you gotta be careful not to over-indulge to the point of taking time out of life stuff, but that's true of all good things.
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>>25669246
>part feels like something I'm guilty of. I just know I hate when a guy asks "is that good? You like that?" over and over, so I try to avoid it. What do you suggest as a good way to go about it?
lol, yeah, that's another aspect of not punishing someone for trying to be open with you. If you're too cagey at those questions, you're basically rejecting his attempt to connect with you, punishing him for attempting to learn what you like.
Think of it this way: you're placing your own discomfort/self-consciousness above your mutual desire for good sex. Which of those would you rather hold onto? It can be hard to open up, and it feels weird and uncomfortable at first, but if you just re-contextualise the priorities in your head it can get easier. It's about knowing "this might feel awkward to say in the moment, but it'll lead to much better sex and connection down the line."
Another way to get him to stop asking is to pre-empt the question so that it's unmistakable that "yes, it's good and I like it." ie, generally just be more vocal and enthusiastic. Because if he's asking a lot, he might be unsure of how into it you really are.
Some guys also ask those sort of things as a form of dirty talk, to stay in the moment of what's happening by basically saying over and over "this is happening and it's great, don't you agree?" lol. So if you can appreciate it as a form of dirty talk and just play into it that way, rather than treating it like you're strictly and honestly answering a logistical question, it can be a lot more fun.
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>>25669286
Does theoretical experience count as real experience the way it counts for theoretically physicists?
>>25669303
I have an addictive personality. Explaining to a guy that I taste myself religiously would be awkward.
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>>25669368
>Explaining to a guy that I taste myself religiously would be awkward.
Most would be fans, I'd bet.
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>>25669368
>Does theoretical experience count as real experience the way it counts for theoretically physicists?
I'm not sure whether you're knocking my experience, or claiming your own that you lack. We are still talking about law right?

You know there's still a law against fornication on the books in my state. Probably unenforceable. Would be interesting to set up a test case though.
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>>25669333
That's a lot of food for thought. Thank you for spelling it out so clearly.
>So if you can appreciate it as a form of dirty talk and just play into it that way
I can try to work it more into the dirty talk. My usual dirty talk is more asking him questions than giving him answers, I guess.
Thanks again for all that. I hope I can somehow help you with something so well in the future to make us even.
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>>25669374
I'll trust your judgement. Still not letting myself acquire the taste, though.
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>>25669384
>We are still talking about law right?
I was talking stuff I have zero practical experience in. So yeh, technically law applies.
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>>25669425
>technically law applies.
Technically applicable is the best kind of applicable.

When you're a lawyer anyway.
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>>25669452
You don't start cross examining a woman once she gets her clothes off, right? Lawyers are pretty notorious for being wet blankets.
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>>25669461
I never cross a friendly witness. I'm always doing direct examination, or maybe rebuttal.

Clothes, of course, being at the stand with the witness, would be subject to examination of course.

>Lawyers are pretty notorious for being wet blankets.
I'm told you can saturate bedding with the best of them, so I doubt it'd be noticeable.
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>>25669472
>rebuttal
Insert butt joke here.
>I'm told you can saturate bedding with the best of them, so I doubt it'd be noticeable
I knew you'd make that joke but I'm still nettled. Mostly because it's been extra bad recently. Hydrating a lot more has had as many negative consequences as positive.
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>>25669490
>Insert butt joke here.
I'm glad you grabbed hold of it.
>I knew you'd make that joke but I'm still nettled.
Ah I'm sorry. I'll gladly help you lick any wounds.
>Mostly because it's been extra bad recently. Hydrating a lot more has had as many negative consequences as positive.
For what it's worth the idea of cleaning up together sounds super fucking wholesome and cute to me.

Truthfully I desire that as much as the pornographic experience I'm sure you'd provide.
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>>25669532
I AM very grabby.
>the idea of cleaning up together sounds super fucking wholesome and cute to me
How would you even help? It's not like I can't or am unwilling to do it myself. It's just a matter of wiping down and tossing pads.
>a guy desiring cleanup over making the mess even worse
I call bullshit.
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>>25669550
>How would you even help? It's not like I can't or am unwilling to do it myself. It's just a matter of wiping down and tossing pads.
My father always said, many hands make the work go faster.
>a guy desiring cleanup over making the mess even worse
>I call bullshit.
Call it an invitation to make the big mess but have cleanup take the same amount of time.
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>>25669557
>many hands make the work go faster
Very true. That could have been very helpful.
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>>25669719
Speaking of hands...

One of my best memories of my exgf was her taking my hand and showing me exactly how she liked to be touched.

So yes I could see extra hands, if trained properly, as being particularly useful.
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>>25669727
Honestly, all I want to do is lay a guy down, have him hold his arms out so I can hold his hands tight, and use them as support as I figure out exactly how I'm going to sit down. Lots of awkward seating angles that require some lining up.
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>>25669736
Nothing gets me hot like interlacing fingers. That could make the architectural work you describe a lot more pleasant.
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>>25669739
I can think of some better places I'd want those fingers to end up, though.
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>>25669744
Well it's all a matter of where they're guided once the hard work of erecting and taking your seat is done.
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>>25667970
You don't have to be an atheist to be rational and open-minded, and in fact it sounds like you are the one who is being irrational and close-minded.
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>>25669752
Alright even I can't keep this up tonight. You win, make all the jokes you want, I need to vent it the only way I know how. Take your crown.
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>>25669774
Didn't really want a crown, just wanted my face used as a seat.
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>>25669897
If you want to drown to death thay badly, okay. I'd rather keep you alive, though. You're fun to talk to.
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>>25669933
I'll learn to breathe underwater.
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>>25669933
>that*
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>>25669939
Or just learn to hold your breath. When I'm close, I can end up bot breathing for like a minute, I love that lightheaded sensation on top of all that.
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>>25669946
I suppose I'll have to start training.



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