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Be nice to each other.
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Women, is activity dates (like rock climbing or hiking or ice skating) better second dates than they are first dates?
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Girls, FUCK YOU!
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Guys, when you start dating and getting sexual, what is the expectation? That you go straight from kissing and being romantic to naked and having sex, or do you usually escalate over several encounters? That sounds like 0-100 to me, but maybe that's the norm?

What's your ideal tempo?
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My dream:

I was in an arena of sorts ,with seats all around the coliseum like a gymnasium. Large sections of the seating areas are populated by women. The announcer says they have a surprise for us in store, and then all the women from these different women only sections stand up and strip their clothes off, then go down to the arena to do some cheerleading. I am disgusted by this, though intrigued. I remember rubbing my cock against the bleachers I sat on, pretending I just had an itch, even though it was very obvious I was trying to masturbate. Eventually I called it quits and sat up. Talked with people around the arena who are both confused and turned on by the women. At some point the announcer came up to us and wanted us to engage and go down there, but we refused. Then he said at least choose the roof color! And he gave us a thing where we could choose the light projected onto the roof of the colosseum. I chose lime green, as a show of defiance (Dream logic, not sure how it was defiant to do it, but the announcer was taken aback by my bravado).
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I was exiting the nudity arena in Lisbon. Twice I had parked there in the VIP section with no issues. This time however, as I pushed past everybody, I saw my car was not there. I look around and try to solve the problem but I simply cannot. I go to the traffic officer nearby and try to explain the situation, and begin to cry and gasp and break down. She says she will help look, but we cannot find it.

At some point I go OH MY GOD IM SO STUPID, I took the bus here! That’s why there’s no car.. And then My Auntt shows up outside the gate, honking her horn, saying “I’ve been here for a half hour waiting for you! What’s this shit I hear about you crying, and then starts mocking exactly what I said to the cop between my sobs.” I hang my head and get in the car.
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>>25357631
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>>25357630
Hard to tell. I think it depends on how well you know each other before the initial date, if you already talked a lot, it might be better with an activity date. It also makes a subsequent talking date easier in my experience.
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>>25357637
I think part of this is influenced by the events of yesterday. I was at my grandmother's house and she called me lazy (not in a mean way, but in an encouraging one), and I started hyperventilating and crying and shaking and hitting myself, and I tried to resist so hard but I was just completely powerless against it
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>>25357630
Depends, if we know each other really way it can be a good second date. Otherwise it’s too much
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>>25357637
Is there a question in here?

Dreams are also weird, I wouldn't dwell too much on it if I were you.
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How do I get out of the friendzone as a female?

>For background info: he was interested in me close to the beginning of our friendship but I turned him down because we make great friends and I wanted to keep it that way but now 9 months later I want him. I'm very shy too so I might be too scared to even do anything about this but I just want to know
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>>25357652
No I just usually share my weird dreams with my girlfriend but I didn't want to share one about me rubbing my cock in a crowded arena of naked women
>>25357665
I would turn you down desu, as I have done before in a similar situation before. If you weren't willing to date him before then why would he feel secure in dating you now? Not trying to be a dick, just my two cents from having been in the man's shoes.

If you wanna pursue though and you think he might still be interested then you can just ask normally, especially if you're good friends, won't be a big deal.
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>>25357635
Every guy is different.

Personally I have a pretty high bar for being comfortable enough with a girl to have sex with her. It normally takes me a few months to get there. Along the way I'm happy to escalate slowly and take those smaller steps together over several weeks or months.
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>>25357665
Since you turned him down flat your only option is to initiate. A guy who has backed off won't come back for more punishment just because you started flirting a little. He'll assume your rejection stands and keep his romantic distance.
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>>25357669
Would I be better off to hope for a fwb situation? I know he's been with a couple of his other female friends over the years.
>>25357674
Is there any way I could know if he would be interested without obviously trying to initiate something myself?
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When are two people considered lovers?
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>>25357681
When the romantic and sexual escalation gets to a point where it's pretty much implied you are close to dropping your clothes for each other.

And yeah, I don't think you need to have sex before you are considered that. The moment you are clearly crossing boundaries into more than friendship, it's lovers. That can be heavy kissing and intimate cuddling with clothes on.
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Women, how do you like the lower parts of a man?

Do you like it all shaved, both ass and genitals?
Do you have a specific cut you like on the genitals?

How aroused do you get by an incredibly clean and well shaved male ass? Does it open up new movements and actions during sex, such as groping their ass deeper?
I use a bidet and shave down there -- I feel a lot more sexually attractive for it.
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>>25357688
>Do you like it all shaved, both ass and genitals?
Yes. Trim is fine too. Don't need hair in my mouth when giving a blowhole.

>How aroused do you get by an incredibly clean and well shaved male ass? Does it open up new movements and actions during sex
It's hot, but doesn't really open up anything new. I think the only real thing it changes is that I'm less worried about getting poop on my fingers.
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Any other late 20s people here just neeting it up with no direction in life?
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>>25357723
sup
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>>25357724
Hi. Idk just curious if I was the only one. Everyone around me is having kids, buying houses etc. Meanwhile I'm still mourning a relationship that ended years ago and wondering if each day will be my last.

It's a trap with no way out.
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Okay, guys. How do i get out of the fuckzone with guys im genuinely interested in? Seems like all the super handsome men i'd want to date are only interested in sex and not relationships? Plz dont tell me to lower my standards too because i cant help who im attracted to
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>>25357730
i have had sex with a few girls this year that I have no intention of starting a relationship with, but they seemed to want one with me. for a relationship I want a fun, sweet, girl who I picture as the mother of my children and also very beautiful, like I'm looking for a 9 for a gf, but i'll fuck an 8 (or maybe even a 7.5). you are probably just falling below those guys threshold for relationship-tier or maybe they don't want one period, but most guys do if they find the right girl.

my advice if you want a relationship is to stop giving up sex so fast.
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>>25357723
Have both education and a job, but I'm scaling down on the job lately and going into something smaller and much more calm. Only really recently found a path I like and want to commit to. Not technically late 20s, I'm already early 30s, but close enough I hope.

It's never really too late to change your direction. If you have none, you are giving up nothing by committing to a pat. Just need to find something that inspires you.
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>>25357726
29 here, mourning a relationship from over a decade ago, don't really have friends anymore but those that I do have vague connection to occasionally still are married or at least living with a femoid and either own or rent a house while I'm still with my parentals and haven't touched a girl in years :^)
Also currently worryingly attached to a fictional character, it's bothering me.
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I found a nice girl, but she likes really expensive stuff. I'm afraid she will end up using all my money. Is this a legit concern?
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I hope every woman reading this gets violently raped to death in front of their loved ones.
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>>25357742
Yeah, but nothing inspires me now. I feel like an old divorced man. Its good that you are finding direction.

>>25357743
I used to live with a gf. It was good when we weren't fighting. Now I can't even feel connected to anyone I speak to. All the stories I read about cheating make it even less likely that I'll ever be able to date. Not that it matters, I honestly spend most of the day in bed now.
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>>25357748
Yes. Don't date a golddigger just around for your money.
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>>25357730
you're unlovable and will never be happy due to high standards, you should kill yourself
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>>25357635
Never done it.
I would hope that things could be very slow. Like I don't want kissing to begin immediatly.
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>>25357753
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>>25357763
Kek.
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>>25357753
Wrong website anon, your fetish forum is on another tba.
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I think it is time I clean up my laptop hard drive. I have too much fetish porn just saved in random places. I'd be terrified if anyone wanted to use my laptop.
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>>25357748
sure is. drop her fast
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>>25357776
take the noporn pill man. my search history is still fucked from 4chan searches and I need to figure out how to clean it up, but it's nice having no bad files around.
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>>25357780
I have been considering that. It might be nice to go back to only using my imagination.
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>>25357784
It takes a bit, but yeah it's totally nice. I mean I feel like my faps are just as good as when I was using porn, but zero guilt. It took a little adjustment period, I think my brain was getting used to weirder and weirder stuff and now that I don't give it that it gets just as high off normal stuff. I mean I can even jerk off just to the feeling of jerking off/sensation of it.
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>>25357786
do you ever want to go back to it?
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>>25357763
hot
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>>25357787
Nah. I don't miss it. Benefits outweigh the negatives. Porn is kinda corny desu, I guess naked photos are nice but I don't really want that on my phone or computer anymore. I see stuff in passing hanging here of course but I kinda ignore it.
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Why would I give up porn when it's the only way I'm ever going to see a naked woman again? No Am*rican pr*fessional bullshit, of course.
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>>25357630
>Women, is activity dates (like rock climbing or hiking or ice skating) better second dates than they are first dates?
I agree with the other anon - if you already know the person, and you want a fun thing to do together, this is a good choice; if you're still getting to know them then you want a date that allows you to talk to each other.
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>>25357799
I donno, stick with it if you like the porn I guess. What works for me may not work for you. There is a whole noporn movement and stuff, I don't really get into that, but for me it just werks.
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>>25357799
I agree with you, but why not try dating apps first before giving up?
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>>25357635
You have sex when both of you are feeling enthusiastic about having sex. How long that takes is different for every couple.
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>>25357730
>>25357741
This guy is right, Im the same. For me to consider a girl a potential girlfriend, she has to be beatiful..like 9/10 beatiful. Plus a good personality and not a slut.
Girls like that are a unicorn tho, so in the meantime I resort to fuck sluts from clubs and apps
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>>25357665
Girl, YOU put HIM in the friend zone, not the other way round. It's entirely up to you if you want to let him out again.
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>>25357688
>Women, how do you like the lower parts of a man?
You can trim the pubic hair back a bit. Otherwise leave it alone.
>Do you like it all shaved, both ass and genitals?
No, because I'm not a paedophile.
>How aroused do you get by an incredibly clean and well shaved male ass?
It makes me feel a little ill.
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>>25357635
I don't mind things being slow. But too slow and you start to worry things won't ever happen.

>>25357680
>Would I be better off to hope for a fwb situation? I know he's been with a couple of his other female friends over the years.
If you just want him sexually, that's an option. But if you want something more, you should go for that instead. FWB sometimes cause relationships, but more often cause problems, from what I hear.
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What's the problem with women being sluts?
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>>25357631
No, fuck you.
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>>25357748
>Is this a legit concern?
Just don't buy her stuff.
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>>25357831
>What's the problem with women being sluts?
I have no problem with it.
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>>25357831
nothing, just dont expect to later get a good husband. if you are okay with marrying a manwhore its all okay
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>>25357831
Nothing, I love sluts
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Girls

Is it really too feminine if a guy likes to watch cat videos on YouTube?
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Girls, I wish to be a good boyfriend. What are some tips you can give me to help?
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>>25357808
Oh I've tried dating apps, for years. I've gone months without a single like and every girl on there is absolutely not my type.
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>>25357843
good husbands settle with sluts all the time
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>>25357831
For casual hookups? Nothing.

For a relationship? They make us feel insecure.
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>>25357849
Expand your type, try different apps.

Or just join me in suicidal misery. Your choice.
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>>25357843
This>>25357854
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>>25357831
If its just for sex, not a problem.
But men want women that have sex with them exclusively and noone else and having a history of fucking many different men is a huge turn off to a lot of them. I honestly think women can be as degenerate as they want with their partners as long as the number of different partners is limited and men won´t care too much.
Its a "can I be sure our kids will actually be mine and not some other guys" thing.
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>>25357846
The feminine side of it is giving a fuck

Cats are funny
And that comes from person who vastly prefers dogs over cats
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>>25357846
Not really, no. I like cats.
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>>25357859
Sadly, short of 'literal bottom of the barrel obese ugly mental issues smokers', it's pretty academic what my type even is since I would never match with anything else anyway. They say it's all in your pictures, which is true, but you need evidence of social clout in them which a) would attract the wrong ones for me and b) is impossible when you have no social clout. Also you have to be attractive, but that's not something I have significant control over.
Also yeah, tried Tinder, Bumble, Hinge, Plentyoffish, probably some other one but mainly that. All the same result, more or less.
The pool also narrows significantly when you don't want kids, so like... working with a fraction of a fraction of a percentage, here.
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>>25357623
Has online dating made everyone an option and made it harder to find a meaningful relationship?
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>>25357871
It certainly made appearance matter a lot more than anything else, and made people increasingly neglect just looking towards the people they actually know or meet in real life.
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>>25357871
For women, yes. Average and up have immense choice. Also means they don't settle on one.
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>>25357867
>>25357868
I like cats too. I was showing a girl a video on my phone yesterday evening, and when I was finding the video on YouTube; she saw my watch history; which is almost entirely cat videos. She laughed and said “wait you’re gay?”
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>>25357623
First time living with a gf here. Ever since moving in together I notice she always pinches or hooks her finger on the waist of my t shirt when we go to sleep

What's the deal? She never used to do this when she jsut stayed over.

Am I supposed to be doing something similar back?
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I asked out my crush, she said she likes me a lot too but isnt dating atm for she is still settling into the country and has loads of college work to do. she gave me the we can still be friends spiel and i foolishly accepted. Im going to tell her that im going to need to distance myself from her so i can process my feelings. Is this a good idea? Also im guessing i never had a chance with her
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>>25357871
>>25357872
>>25357873
A female friend has actually told me that she has a very difficult time with dating because she used bumble, and she’s always matching with more attractive men. So she could go out with a man, and then later match someone more attractive who she decides she wants instead. The cycle repeats. She said it’s very difficult to choose
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>>25357874
Should have replied "i turned gay from how stupid your comment was just now, you meathole"
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>>25357874
Peculiar reaction. I have never heard or talked to someone who would consider it "gay" to like cat videos. It's just a random procrastination thing.
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>>25357881
This has happened to me before too. She’s lying in order to not hurt your feelings. Don’t be surprised when she has a boyfriend in a month or so. That’s what happened to me. I knew a girl and we flirted and talked sexual about each other (never had sex). She knew I was a virgin, and she would say sexual things to me. Literally things like “one of these days, i will go… down ;)”. But we never did anything. I wanted her to be my gf but she said she wanted to keep some space from men for a bit as she adjusted. not even a month later she had a boyfriend
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>>25357870
Sorry to hear that. I started a few dating apps when I was drunk, occasionally I get a match but it goes nowhere. I've just accepted that my ex is the only person I'll ever feel a connection with.

But I do think you're unnecessarily narrowing your field. Get some better photos and lighten up about the whole thing I guess.
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>>25357635
>when you start dating and getting sexual, what is the expectation?
That marriage come in between the two
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>>25357882
I can imagine. It's one of the reasons I am strictly staying away from any kind of non-IRL dating. Either I meet someone, or I don't, and I lock my sights on whoever is my current "crush", and don't move on until I get a rejection. I don't even get how people can juggle 2 or more people at once.

I feel the focus helps me develop my feelings better. Even if it doesn't work, I doubt dating apps would have been better, considering I'm pretty far below average.
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>>25357888
I'm just so hurt, its the first time I ever asked out a girl. I just wish she would give me a chance. Is it a good idea to tell her I have to distance myself from her until I get my feelings in check?
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gymbro here yet again with another blog

I was standing by docks, waiting for truck to arrive. She drove to me and started convo about some stuff supervisor told her. In the meantime one driver arrived, and i told him i will help him in a second. She said through radio that she is going to help me. (We usually do that by ourselves) she kept explaining what supervisor meant, idk what was it about i havent understood a thing honestly, it was about staying for full time instead of going early from work or some dumb shit like that idc.

Later on i was doing my own stuff on another side of the place, had earphones in listening music and i see her driving up and asking some question, so i tell her the usual answer and get back to work.
5 min later i hear her literally screaming to me, because i heard her through music. So i said "like WHAT do you need some attention or something" and shes like "yes! Because you are not responding!!"
And once again she asked some dumbass question she knows answer for idk.

Idk why she keeps bothering me, trying to get my attention. Like she rejected me already before. Worst part is when I want to talk to her she acts weird and runs away literally. But when she wants to talk then its all cool. She acts like a cat or something. Comes up and brushes against me or "accidentally" bumps into me while helping me and giggling about it.
She is self admitted "autist" but it refers more to her OCD type behaviours.

Worst part is the driver on next day upon seeing us hanging out and chatting and seeing her acting like that asks me "is she your girlfriend now?" I am not just seeing things right?
If only he knew how bad things truly are...

I like her a lot but every day i work with her in the end makes me hurt because i dont get to be with someone like her

what should i do?
Play along? Tell her i want her to stop talking to me and fuck off?
We used to text and she was replying and stuff but lately when i try to text her its such one sided stuff i cant
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>>25357730
>out of
If you're already in it, it's too late. Contrary to popular belief, whoring yourself out doesn't ever buy commitment. It just makes you a whore. If you wanted to find a guy interested in you for who you are, you should have waited until marriage.
Many such cases. Sad!

>>25357831
It's morally and socially corrosive behavior. Other hedonists love it because it means easier access to sex, but it cheapens relationships and undermines commitment.
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>>25357899
You need to stay away from her entirely. Don’t do what I did. I was a beta male. And I liked her so much and wanted her in my life that I decided I could just be her friend. That didn’t go well at all. Because she would talk to me about her boyfriend and it destroyed me inside. She would tell me how amazing he is and once she smiled at me and said “he is big, he makes the best sex :p”. All kinds of shit like that. It really destroyed me inside. I put up with it for almost a year until I couldn’t deal with it anymore and then blocked her.

Save yourself the pain and just don’t speak to her anymore.
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I posted something similar a couple of days ago but didnt get many replies.
>date a girl for a month
>things going well
>she makes plans for me to meet her friends after our last date
>a household member of hers gets covid so she isolates for 10 days
>starts getting cold and taking days to reply
>tells me she's been stressed and isnt ready to date right now, but she had a great time with me and felt comfortable
>asked her 2 weeks later and she says she still feels the same
>leave her on read
How can I get her back? I'm going out on dates with other girls just for sex but I miss her, literally the first thing i think about when I wake up.
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>>25357907
>I'm going out on dates with other girls just for sex but I miss her,
Kys degenerate scum
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>>25357907
You're already having sex with someone else, why do you care?

If you really want to, just set up a new date and suggest coming to pick her up or something. But I can understand getting cold towards a guy like you, I'd want to put an ocean between us if you did that sort of stuff.
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>>25357906
The problem is that a lot of the time we end up meeting while walking to college and shes in a class of mine wheres theres only like 4 people in it so I cant exacty just ignore her and become known as an asshole. I don't know what to do.
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>>25357871
Not for me, but the amount of options were staggering for sure. I found a meaningful relationship outside a dating app so maybe it doesn’t count
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>>25357907
based

>>25357910
incel
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>>25357910
What's degenerate about it?
I'm lonely as hell in a country where I don't know anyone. It's easier to go on dates than make friends
>>25357912
What kind of stuff? Also I care because I feel a connection between us that I've never felt with anyone else. I didn't cheat on her or any of that crap.
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>>25357913
in that case don’t talk to her outside of classroom small talk. Don’t talk about your life or her life. Just try to pretend she doesn’t exist without being rude. Pretend she’s not different than any other classmate to your eyes
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>>25357918
>It's easier to go on dates than make friends
>Has casual sex with random people and they become “friends” all while liking another girl
Everything about this is degenerate
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>>25357871
I feel like this is probably true (I still haven't used them) but it's probably my only option. Other forms of cold-approaching are just not viable, I know from experience.
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>>25357730
>Plz dont tell me to lower my standards too because i cant help who im attracted to
What do you want us to say? You use one particular criterion to decide who to date; doing that invariably results in you ending up with a guy you aren't compatible with. What else can you possibly do except change your criteria?

You might perhaps try getting to know guys a bit before dating them. If you only ever start to date guys you don't know yet, then obviously the only way they *can* attract you is with their looks. But if you actually get to know a guy then there's a chance you might find aspects of his personality attractive - aspects you wouldn't know about it if he were a stranger.
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>>25357921
Explain how it's degenerate
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How long do you guys take to reply to one another if you don't see eachother daily? My gf and I haven't gone a full 24 hours without at least texting one another and I was told by a few people it is unhealthy strange and an addiction. Thoughts?
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>>25357918
>What kind of stuff?
Consider me overly conservative, but someone having sex with other girls while supposedly trying to date me would be a huge dealbreaker to me. Sure, cheating is stretching it, since we aren't really a "couple", but I'd not trust a person like you to actually be faithful if you can't even keep it in your pants during our dating period.
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>>25357848
>Girls, I wish to be a good boyfriend. What are some tips you can give me to help?
Be compassionate. Be fun. Be competent. Be trustworthy. Be sexually creative and generous, but without pressure. Get good at cuddling.
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>>25357926
>Casual sex
Degenerate behavior
>Having feeling for a girl but still has sex with other people
Even MORE degenerate behavior
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>>25357928
women do it all the fucking time
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How do I shake my insecurities? Been dating my first girlfriend for a year now and though she has made it clear she has no issue with me showing emotion, and even though I've broken down and cried in front of her in moments of extreme stress.. I still feel like she will leave me because subconsciously she sees me as weak and pathetic, even if she says she doesn't. It isn't her fault she does everything to reassure me but I just cannot stop feeling this way and I hate it
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>>25357928
I agree with you, but that's not what happened. I didnt see anyone else when I was seeing her, it's just post-dating her that I have been.
>>25357930
well if she doesnt feel the same about me then why not?
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>>25357931
>"some women are prostitutes so all men should visit brothels"
I fucking despise you self-centered faggots. Pointing to your counterparts in subhumanity doesn't give you license to act as depraved as you want. It just makes things that much worse for everyone else when you inflict yourself on the rest of society.
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Girls help.

I’m lonely, a co-worker of mine who happens to be my friend’s ex-fiancé asked me to hang out with her the other evening. I was lonely so I did. We just walked around and then sat in her apartment and watched tv. Nothing crazy. We just talked and I thought that was ok. At one point; she was kind of looking at me and said “e should have sex”. That surprised me and I told her I didn’t feel comfortable with that. She really started to try to convince me. She told me she would give me the best head of my life. Really trying to tempt me. I left. This morning. I woke up to a text message of her saying “I want to suck you off”.

Help me resist. She’s my friend’s ex fiancé. I can’t do this
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>>25357935
Casual sex is bad
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>>25357938
Tell her just that.
Alternatively just wake up, bro.
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>>25357931
>women do it all the fucking time
Some do. So? I don't get what your point is. I don't, and I expect someone I'm dating to not do it, either. It seems like a guarantee that you aren't going to be faithful.
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>>25357943
I DID tell her that. She said “it doesn’t matter because we wouldn’t date, it would just be sex”
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>>25357940
Why?
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Is it considered inappropriate to let your partner lick your finger in front of people to show them how something tastes?
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>>25357935
>I agree with you, but that's not what happened.
If you want to continue dating, and the gap has really only been like 2 weeks, we have a different opinion on what "seeing someone" means. It's post date an hour after a date, doesn't mean you should immediately drop the pants for someone else.

I can't know what's in her head, but my guess is that she is cold because you immediately turn towards other women the second she isn't actively entertaining you.
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>>25357950
Doesn’t need an explanation. You already know
>>25357951
Yes. That is inappropriate
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>>25357723
F. Yes. Any suggestions?
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>>25357940
Why?
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>>25357960
No, I have no suggestions. I can't even leave my room rn.
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Serious question for men:

What's wife material? Look wise, personality wise, etc?
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>>25357826
Really? Have you ever felt a man's shaved ass?
But I do understand the trimmed bit for genitals, there is something to seeing some masculine hair there I think.

What if he shaved the balls, the shaft, and the shafts base, as in you would be able to suck on his balls/penis without hair, but left everything above and below trimmed?
Not willing to compromise on the trimmed ass though. Too comfy.
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>>25357964
>looks
Average
>personality
quiet
no Instagram
No Snapchat
Has a career (not job, but an actual career)
has a real hobby
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>>25357928
they weren't even dating, she literally said she isn't ready to date. I'm not gonna forever wait for someone that I don't even know if it's going to happen, in the meantime I'll have fun
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>>25357970
Degenerate
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>>25357972
good luck bro
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>>25357972
I can't get myself to have sex with random women, but could you please call me a degenerate like him?

Also: would any women here be turned off by a guy wanting you to call him names while he grovels at your feet and you glare at him
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Sometimes I don't realise if I am feeling an emotion, or if I do realise I can't tell which one it is. How do I live without understanding my own emotions?
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>>25357964
a very good friend that has mutual attraction
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>>25357964
Look-wise: Quite a lot. Not overweight or underweight.
Personality: Someone I can connect and communicate with on another level, someone who's not depressed and who makes me enjoy their presence.
Everything else: Should want to have kids I guess. Job, studies and hobbies are not that important.
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women, what do you think of this?
https://youtu.be/C-AhBgmD4YM
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>>25357955
I get what youre saying, but thats not what happened. im the one who actually pushed for us to just be exclusive with each other, and i wasnt seeing anyone for months before her . if anything my problem was being too affectionate with her and scaring her off rather than ignoring her
i waited 4 days anyone since she decided to end things before i even flirted with any other girl so its not like it was an instant rebound phase. theres no way she could know about that anyway

>>25357956
tell me how you know its degenerate
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>>25357951
A little, but as long as you aren't doing it at a fancy dinner party no one's going to care. Or at least I'm not.

>>25357964
We have to have life goals and values in common, and good chemistry in one manner or another. I get along well with most people so personality isn't too big of a deal. For me the question is what she fills her time with.
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>>25357970
What I'm saying is that I wouldn't want to date a guy who, while trying to get me on a date, was actively out sleeping with other women.

I guess I just value sex differently than you two do. Maybe his girl there does too, and that's why she is being cold. She learned he was sleeping around and is repulsed by it. That would be my reaction at least.
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>>25357979
>tfw no cute maid to sexually harrass
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>>25357969
ew
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Good morning, frens. Please do the necessary today.
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>>25357988
good morning sir
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>>25357979
>>25357989
what about a cute butler who thinks you're a sophisticated lady
and as he's offering tea and making it he hears you ask to see his cock. then he grows more and more disgusted as he gradually undresses, berating you until finally he has a disgusted look on his face looking down at you with his glasses on
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>>25357992
Sounds fun.
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>>25357980
>i waited 4 days anyone since she decided to end things before i even flirted with any other girl so its not like it was an instant rebound phase.
That sure sounds like a rebound to me. 4 days, are you kidding me? Is this really how little this stuff matters to you guys? It really doesn't sound like you care much about her if it took 4 days to get over her.
>theres no way she could know about that anyway
You'd be surprised sometimes.
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>>25357964
>looks
4+ without piercings, coloured hair or other weird shit
Also needs to be some degree of fit. I don´t care what she does but has to do some kind of sport or exercise and not be obese.
>personality
an appreciation for things that actually matter(family, friends, decent hobbies and interests, goals in life) rather than being obsessed with vain pursuits(brands, casual sex, only interests and defining character traits being what media she consumes)
wants a monogamous relationship and children and can be trusted to stay monogamous
a pleasant personality that can accept things as they are and deal with them accordingly without freaking out and causing rifts in the relationship over every little thing
is able to love and respect her parents without letting their opinions dominate her every decision
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>>25357875
Seems like a cute little possessive thing, I don’t know how you could reciprocate without getting your arms all tangled though
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>>25357975
Now imagine on top of that not understanding other people's emotions for your entire life and trying to get into dating.
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>>25357900
I don’t see the issue with playing along, it’s free female attention that makes work more interesting
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It confuses me when some men say they want romance yet objectify and commodify women and their bodies. Specifically the more christian/chud types.
I say this as a man pursuing voluntary celibacy and monogamy.

Like the type of girl who'll love you and so on and so on isn't going to date your ass if you're sitting around making checklists commodifying their self. Same for men, they won't touch.
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>>25358004
I don't need to imagine that, that is exactly my current predicament.
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>>25357927
At least once a day is totally fine. A “good morning” and “good night” text is the least I’d expect. Usually we respond to each other within the hour.
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>>25357623
tfw no heart bubble kisses
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>>25357998
She matters a hell of a lot to me, I'm still sad about losing her.
The 4 days thing sounds bad but all I did was flirt and get a girl's number, along with some hand holding, hugging, etc (she ghosted me the next day). I was out on the lash and was pretty drunk at the time anyway

Im definitely not over her. if anything shes over me.
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>>25357665
Can't tell if bait but no empathy either way.
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>>25357927
>My gf and I haven't gone a full 24 hours without at least texting one another and I was told by a few people it is unhealthy strange and an addiction.
Whoever told you that is stupid. If she's your girlfriend there's literally nothing wrong with keeping in touch.

Shit, 50 years ago you would've called each other or at least sent a letter. 100 years ago you would've sent a letter or possibly a telegram. 200 years ago you would've sent letters (and probably not been so far from one another since long-distance relationships were exclusively an issue for the ultrawealthy, and even then, once they were committed—i.e., married—they wouldn't spend time apart period).

So people who say it's uNnAtUrAl to stay in close contact with a romantic partner are just stupid modernists who deserve the suffering that their lifestyle brings them.
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>>25358009
Agreed. I usually get ree'd at when I say this, but I really don't want someone who oversexualizes the idea of virginity and innocence, because it's not only slightly unsettling and creepy, it also sounds like what they really want is just sex with a virgin, regardless of who that person is. It's so telling that it's always "body count" that is brought up, and not actual virtues and personality that is brought up, because it really isn't about the personality, that just never mattered to these guys. It's depressing.
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Do guys like environmentally friendly girls
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>>25357665
It's possible but not certain that you can get with him. Generally speaking there are two routes women can take:
1. Just make moves, tell him you've fallen for him, things like that.
2. More subtly push him into situations, talk about romantic stuff with him, etc.
My ex girlfriend did the second one to me, and it did eventually work, though it culminated in her confessing her feelings before I could properly make a move myself.
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>>25358016
>"I am so sad I'm not seeing her", he says, pounding a girls ass 4 days after they stopped talking
You literally say you are having sex with other girls in the OP, you are beginning to sound like you are either making this up, or just backpeddling on how bad it really was. You had a 2 week break at most, and you have had sex with girls, plural, in that extremely short timespan. Doesn't sound like someone really hurt and sad over not having more than cold contact with someone.
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>>25357960
get job
>>25357962
you can, you'd just rather mooch because sad :(
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No.
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Men, do you eat less in front of your girlfriend? My guy friends said they put less on their plates because they didn’t want to “look like a pig” and thought too many carbs would make them too tired for sex. Is that a common thought?
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>>25357831
Your emotional masochism sets standards that are the root of women feeling pressured to have sex early in relationships that then don't go anywhere, even though shallow men are always blamed as the middle gear in this machine.
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>>25358036
Why bother getting a job? Nothing will change. If you think I'm ashamed of NEETbux you're barking up the wrong tree.
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>>25358028
Nonetheless I have to be honest and admit the romance of being someone's first is still within my mind.
The idea of slowly and gently having sex while reassuring and comforting them, or slowly inserting over weeks, is really sweet to me.

That and body count does matter. At least serious sexual escapades. I feel like if you're able to easily fall in love you're incompatible with me who takes awhile to love someone enough for such things.

I just don't see it like many as some sort of hard and fast rule. It's just general thoughts subject to amending. I romanticize being somebody's first, but it's not a requirement or necessity. Likewise with the whole body count thing.
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>>25358031
Sure, as long as you don’t practice free-bleeding because tampons are harmful to nature
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>>25358043
Many men put less on their plates simply because they think they are expected to finish whatever their gf isn´t eating. And they often are.
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>>25358043
>Men, do you eat less in front of your girlfriend? My guy friends said they put less on their plates because they didn’t want to “look like a pig”
I don't do this any more than I do around others.
>thought too many carbs would make them too tired for sex.
Eh, I think this is a general dietary choice rather than a hard and fast rule. I'm off carbs myself, but even when I was eating them I don't think I'd have that kind of reaction. More likely the combination of carbs and fat would make me tired.
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>>25358043
No I eat even more to impress her, and I’m never too tired for sex
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>>25358047
I was just correcting your blatant lie, I know you'll continue to be proudly worthless.
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>>25358059
You're as worthless as I am, anon. And there was no lie. Now go back to calling everyone a degenerate or whatever gets you off, idc.
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>>25357964
>Look wise
Not unattractive. This is not even close to the same thing as needing to look like a model (who often look like plastic caricatures anyway).
>personality wise
Simply that we get along well and have compatible goals for life.

The most important thing by far is her values. Won't have sex outside of marriage (which combines senses of both commitment and loyalty), willing to judge others by her values instead of letting people shame her into accepting their behavior, treats animals and children with kindness, and a generally conservative outlook.
These are the things which directly relate to marriage, of course. The first is obvious, the second is because it shows moral reliability and strength within the family, and the third is a confirmation that she's a nurturing person who can be trusted to be a good mother.

Many people will say 'wife material' as shorthand for 'things I'm attracted to', but then proceed to act in (or be attracted to) ways that are completely opposed to stable, happy marriages. For example, coomer responses like 'has sex with me every time I ask for it' are often given by people who see sex as a 'need' that justifies cheating if it doesn't happen enough. That's hardly a healthy marital dynamic, and a self-warming sex toy is absolutely not a good definition of the ideal wife.
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>>25358053
I use a diva cup. Free bleeding is too much
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>>25358027
>>25358011
Thanks, this made me feel good. I love talking to her and saying goodnight and good morning and telling her about my day.
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>>25358028
That's just incels, not men who want to wait until marriage. There's a huge difference.
You can tell when it's an incel because they're blatantly hypocritical. They don't actually care about morality, they only care about what perceived 'benefits' they can take for themselves.
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>>25358050
>Nonetheless I have to be honest and admit the romance of being someone's first is still within my mind.
Sure, it is for me too. I'm a virgin, the idea of someone at my level is appealing, just to keep us more level, but never once have I fantasized about "taking a guys virgnity", and the main reason is also to keep things slow. I worry too much an experienced guy would feel things are going slow if I'm not "putting out" within a few weeks. At the same time, it's why body count itself doesn't matter, it's his temperament and pace. If a guy with 20+ previous partners is able to go my pace and properly flow with the motions of a romantic relationship, I have no issue with it. But I do get that in general, that's probably unlikely, so low body count is the most obvious metric to use for someone who will go slower and focus more on doing things "properly".
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>>25358043
If I ever dated I would, but I don't think it would help because I'm obese and there's only one way to get that way.
No idea why anyone would think carbs tire them out or something like that. If you're somehow too tired to have sex do you really want to? This sounds like something a woman might say, are they gay friends just talking theoretically?
I think a lot of men, myself included, prefer fat and protein to carbs. Most of why I got fat is because of too many processed carbs, they're available in the bloodstream too quickly and get stored as fat as a result. But they're quite cheap, most cheap/ready foods have a lot of carbs for a reason.
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>>25358070
Or they'll say bullshit like it's epic to take as many virginities as you can only if you're a guy, elsewise you're just a dumb whore.
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>>25357623
Why do none of the women I fuck ever want me to wear a condom? It is far too regular of an occurrence that I have to protest against them saying they are clean and on the pill so what's it matter? Why are women like this? I don't want to nut in strangers and risk STIs or pregnancy.
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>>25358061
What's funny is here you're exhibiting a bitchy shame and cope response though you just told me you're shameless.
You're so pathetic.
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>>25358070
What if it isn't about morallity or fetishisation of purity and virginity but because I think it would be nice to have my first romantic and sexual experience with someone to whom it is also all new?
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>>25357665
its your own fault retard
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>>25358068
>I love talking to her and saying goodnight and good morning and telling her about my day.
Yeah there's absolutely nothing wrong with this so long as you're both okay with the frequency. But what you're describing shouldn't be a problem.

The only time I had an issue with excessive frequency with an actual gf was when my ex would expect a voice call every night that lasted for hours. I loved her but that much talking on the phone was just draining to me personally.
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>>25358079
K
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>>25358078
Women who enjoy casual sex are mostly soulless beings who prefer "living in the moment" to, you know, NOT killing their own kid at an abortion clinic.
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>>25358035
I havent been very clear:
It's been nearly 4 weeks since she ended things with me
I didnt have sex with the girl 4 days on (mostly because she didnt agree to come back with me)
I first had sex after about around 2 weeks on from her ending things with one girl
Then I had another girl last week
So I've only had sex with with 2 girls since, although im going out with another one tonight which hopefully goes well

I think you can separate dating for sex, like im doing now while trying to get over this girl, and dating for a relationship, which was what i was looking for with her. I'm a long way away from dating for a relationship again.

does that really sound that bad?
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>>25358073
>I'm a virgin, the idea of someone at my level is appealing, just to keep us more level,
>the main reason is also to keep things slow. I worry too much an experienced guy would feel things are going slow if I'm not "putting out" within a few weeks
I am a male who feels exactly the same way.
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>>25358080
Don't bother.
You're butting up against a fundamental mental illness of the "modern" "woman".
Hypergamy is assumed.
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>>25358080
>because I think it would be nice to have my first romantic and sexual experience with someone to whom it is also all new?
Thinking it might be *nice*? That's fine.
Requiring it to the point that you'll pass up on opportunities because the girl isn't a virgin? That's a complex, and will fuck you over. It's also still fetishization in my opinion.

Go with a girl you like.
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>>25358080
Then it is a preference, not a requirement focused on a physical state. If it turns into a requirement, you start to look like a fetish freak who will lose interest as soon as she gets a bit of experience with you.
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>>25358074
They’re straight (as far as I know) but I was under the impression that carbs make you tired too. My parents always talked about napping in a “carb coma”. Maybe it’s just a food myth.
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>>25358093
>Hypergamy is assumed
By you, maybe
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>>25358086
I care less about their future hypothetical kid and more about the fact that they could give me an STI. I've already gotten chlamydia and herpes from women lying about being clean. I don't want any more of that shit. I even tell women I have herpes and they still want to fuck raw. Absolutely cracked.
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>>25358095
>Requiring it to the point that you'll pass up on opportunities because the girl isn't a virgin?
Oh I'm not that retarded. It is something I think would be nice would I have the sense to realise it is unrealistic to expect at my age, and even if it wasn't turning down a girl I really like purely for that reason would be dumb.
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Let us say there is a triangle of needs.
Work/Social Standing/Power -- monetary/power metric of your partner
Looks/Beauty -- self explanatory, how good they look
Romance/Personality -- how much they are able to emotionally process and help themselves as well as you. I'm combining this with personality.

What would your triangle look like, assuming that a dot in the middle values all three things equally and a dot in a corner values only one thing?

And yes this is an oversimplification. Personality bleeds into looks, looks bleed into social standing, social standing bleeds into personality -- how much you like someone may change how you view their face and so on and so on.
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>>25358028
Body count is the most fundamental indicator of personality type in either a woman or a man specifically in a modern cultural context.

It tells us more about you than you could ever imagine with an extremely low failure rate.
Going on with the generic propaganda cope about anything but "free love" philosophy being "creepy" isn't really necessary, as it's just painting red over an already red flag.
Don't worry, you don't have to worry about attracting us, because whether you're a non-virgin (excluding something like your partner dying or leaving you for no reason), or a virgin indoctrinated with this "creepy objectification" propaganda line, you will always naturally repel us just by being you.
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>>25358110
Dot in the midddle
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>>25358082
Yup we dont voice call every night cuz it would just be too much and you need time alone somerimes
>>25358105
This was my mindset as well by the by, and I was apprehensive and a little insecure at first that I had zero experience and she had experience.. but it's really not a big deal when you're there. Its actually pretty fun to have someone experienced who you're close to show you the ropes
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>>25357635
only guys who want to fuck you as fast as they can bc they are incels will do this.
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>>25358104
>I'm a narcissistic sociopath
ok coomer enjoy your clap
>women willing to kill their own offspring are also hetero version of bugchasers
wow imagine my shock this is so unexpected
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>>25358034
Thank you. I think I'll just try to look better when we hang out because as is I look like a bum most of the time I go there lmao.
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>>25358089
Try your LARP again a different time, and fix your contradictions. You literally said there was 2 weeks between your last contact and that you were sleeping around.
>asked her 2 weeks later and she says she still feels the same
>leave her on read
>I'm going out on dates with other girls just for sex but I miss her
There isn't any room for interpretation here. But assuming this is really not just LARPing,
>I think you can separate dating for sex,
Nope. I really can't. Sorry. I would probably react more or less like her if I was in that position, and I'd get over you real quick too.
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>>25358099
Pure carbs sure, but anyone who can't fuck after eating some carbs must not really want to that badly lol
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Are pussies warm?
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>>25358123
What? How am I a narcissistic sociopath?
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>>25358112
spoken like somebody who naturally repels others

that being said body count does matter, it's just retarded to be this dehumanizing and focused on it. it's more than possible for two people, of similar body counts, to spend the rest of their life happily together.
it's not necessarily a negative or positive trait, though to me it's negative because I lack it and therefore would feel a disconnect with any partner.
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>>25358050
>It's just general thoughts subject to amending.
Then don't be surprised when morality in general ends up being treated the same way.
The entire point of moral standards--like not having sex outside of marriage--is in their clarity. If they aren't clear, they can't provide guidance, and if they can't provide guidance, they can't provide benefits like a lasting, monogamous marriage. What is monogamy? One lifetime partner. What is the best and most consistent way to ensure this? Only having sex with someone after you've committed to spend the rest of your life with them.

>>25358080
Then it's background noise. It has no moral weight and it won't last because you won't do anything to make it last.

>>25358093
This is an incel. The next part is saying "because I've convinced myself that all women are whores, I might as well be a manwhore".
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>>25358105
Alright, I think that's reasonable. I'm sure you understand, the number of virgin hunters that show up ITT makes it unavoidable that virgin *appreciators* get yelled at as well.

I will say that I don't regret my decision to go with a slut as my first gf and lose my virginity to her. I got to try a lot of stuff that I wouldn't have been able to do with a virgin, and places where I did things wrong (e.g., penetration hurt a bit) didn't result in her freaking out and stopping everything.
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>>25358110
F: Learning pretty far towards Romance/Personality, favouring Looks over Work slightly.
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>>25358110
M
I don't really care about any of this
You also failed to label your corners
I guess it would be in the personality corner skewing towards looks, who gives a fuck about power or social standing or work or wealth.
I mean genuinely who gives a fuck, man or woman.
No matter how rich you are you can never truly escape the stupidity of other people.
Chasing clout or social status is just pure masochism and addictive feedback.
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>>25358127
>I think I'll just try to look better when we hang out
That might not be enough honestly anon. Try to subtly shift conversation towards dating and shit.

Or do the subtle date request thing that girls do: Bring up an event, place, or activity and ask if he's done it before. Then mention that you'd like to do it sometime. It won't work every time but most guys will feel an impulse to ask if you want to go to what you're talking about.
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>>25358130
She ended things 4 weeks ago, and I asked her after 2 weeks if she still felt the same. whats the contradiction?
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>>25358137
>n-no u
Nice personality ya got there, insecurity with a dash of mindless repetition.
>dehumanizing
Wow you found a way to put in another Twitter meme word which is subjectively and emotionally interpreted by the "victim" to suit their woe-is-me bullshit, congrats! Nice personality sis!
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>>25358133
Sure are. Not necessarily hot though.

Actually I remember my ex gf's pussy (and mouth) were both a bit cooler than my mouth. Making out with her just gave me this refreshing sensation. Like a cool drink of water (no I wasn't just drinking her spit).
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>>25357730
you dont, if youve already been fucked like a whore theres no way back.
if you wanted a serious relationship you shouldve acted like it and not get fucked on first date in your asshole
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>>25358110
Somewhere between looks/beauty and romance/personality. Because I´m a man and do not give the least shit about how powerful or rich a woman I´m interested in is, I wasn´t expecting her to put food on the table for me to begin with.
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>>25358133
Hotter than a furnace, yes. Being blasted by hot air from a pussy is a unique experience.
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I went to a small highschool with a graduating class of 100 - 120 students. I consider myself to be moderately successful having achieved an undergraduate degree and law degree but I can't shake the feeling that I am underachieving. Five classmates have gone to Oxford, a handful run businesses, many already own houses, and others have PhDs or at least master's. How do I shake this feeling of inadequacy?


I'm Australian btw
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>>25358138
>This is an incel.
I have literally never once in my life tried to get laid, I am the very soul of a volcel.
>The next part is saying "because I've convinced myself that all women are whores, I might as well be a manwhore".
I'm not going to whore myself out not matter what other people say I must or should do. I will seek to date someone like me, or no one at all. Don't you feel silly now?
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how stressful is having a really really attractive gf?
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>>25358112
>Body count is the most fundamental indicator of personality type in either a woman or a man specifically in a modern cultural context.
No it isn't. It's a metric you can use to make a guess, but you have to actually talk to the person and get to know them in order to know if it's true or not. People change. Hell, I did a complete 180 (Maybe just a 90, really) recently without any real change in my life.
>Don't worry, you don't have to worry about attracting us, because whether you're a non-virgin (excluding something like your partner dying or leaving you for no reason), or a virgin indoctrinated with this "creepy objectification" propaganda line, you will always naturally repel us just by being you.
Oh thank God, that's a massive relief. I don't talk about it IRL since people don't bring it up there, but I hope it shines through, that would be such a blessing if this is true.

Thanks, that's one worry off my shoulders.
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>>25357854
they arent good men, they are beta provider incels, who stoop so low as marrying sluts bc they dont get pusssy otherwise, clearly not high tier males>>25357860
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>>25358138
I argue against polygamy almost constantly, as well as touting the virtues of celibacy, though to a lesser degree. That being said there is a difference between casual/porno sex and romantic sex.

Our ancestors pair bonded for life, but they also engaged in opportunism, shagging a girl from another group or getting another man's seed as the opportunity came.
As intelligence rises the amount of affairs decreases, but there are still basic instincts for sexual variety.

So a girl who has had sex before -- not nearly as big a deal as a girl who has had love before.
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>>25358157
By giving an overpriced "prestigious" university money you don't actually have and wasting most of another decade of your life getting your ego stroked while learning to eventually be able to do "important" work, of course
Don't worry, after you spend the next decade after that paying off THOSE debts I'm sure becoming more rich than the average can stacker by age 45 or 50 or so will allow you to purchase more time before you die :)
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>>25358157
JM?
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>>25358157
Well I have none of that and I'm probably older so you could take that as a comparison.
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>>25358161
I've already talked to you enough with this one post to determine that your personality is essentially a carbon copy of a "not like the other girls", down to the "complete 180" which will definitely never ever happen again kek
No thank you!
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>>25358163
you sound repulsive though
if you understand men and women so well, as well as the sexual marketplace, why are you so repulsive and desperate?
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>>25358078

Bro same lol

I fucked 7 women raw this year. They just tell me they're clean and on the pill. When I'm horny I have no self control so I go along with it.

I'm pro choice and don't give a fuck about unborn fetuses but the STD thing is pretty scary. Plus I don't want them to have a bastard kid and have to pay child support.

The last chick I nutted in was about 2 month's ago. I haven't even had sex since then I realized that I need to take a break and slow down. I've gotten lucky so far but at this rate I WILL catch something so I'm going slower and trying to not be such a Coomer.
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>>25358159
Very stressful. You can feel the sharks circling whenever you’re in public together, seething that she’s with a nobody like you, and the paranoia that she’ll get bored and pick someone else never goes away.
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>>25358171
Women perceive anything that challenges their narcissism or common dogma to be repulsive.
Who would worry about sounding "repulsive" on 4chan?
We don't come here to flatter and coddle women Anonymously.
The world does not revolve around your feelings about it.
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>>25358095
Having standards isn't a 'complex' or a 'fetish'.
The difference between standards and a complex, as you call it, is the difference between the bounds of one's search and what one is looking for within those bounds.

I wouldn't want to be with someone who doesn't share my values, like monogamy. This sets the bounds of my search, which is for a mutually loving partner in marriage. Virginity isn't what I'm looking for (and it's not even strictly a boundary--being a victim of rape or having divorced an unfaithful husband says nothing bad about moral integrity). However, someone who willingly had sex outside of marriage is showing me through their actions that they don't share my values, and so I'm not going to consider them as a partner.

>>25358139
>I will say that I don't regret my decision to go with a slut as my first gf
>I got to try a lot of stuff that I wouldn't have been able to do with a virgin
Why am I not surprised that someone who thinks standards are a fetish is a degenerate who meets no such standards himself?
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>>25358175
>200 samefag posts about women bad
This thread also doesn't revolve around your complex about women. Fuck off you faggot.
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>>25358175
we we we
why do you assume power never given?
you are not anonymous, there is no consensus such as put forth by you

perhaps that is what is most repulsive, your claim to power unearned and unhad.
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>>25358170
Important lesson learned for you today, some people just aren't a good fit. That's really the essence of the whole discussion, and it seems you reluctantly finally got the point, despite your best efforts.
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>>25358176
>Having standards isn't a 'complex' or a 'fetish'.
You have a complex anon. It's pathetic and unattractive.
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>>25358028
lol wtf coping roasty alert?
body count is exactly a good reference wether she was morale or not, a high body count is a used up slut. i dont want this as a gf let alone as a wife, cringe
its literally hooker tier, imagine how many other guys cam in her pussy, gross
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>>25358172
Its sad that you have vain, meaningless sex and don't care about the point of sex which is recreation and impregnating. Repent now before it's too late.
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>>25358190
Imaginary women are probably great like that.
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>>25358183
>you are not anonymous
>power
As I explained earlier, you dimwitted whore:
We are not posting here to serve you, no matter how much you seethe.
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>>25358168
I beg your pardon?

>>25358169
I'm 27


>>25358166
What point are you trying to make?

>>25358172
Same, man. When horny it is hard to think rationally. I've had some chicks slip the condom off during sex which is so aggravating.

Child support would fucking suck. I completely agree, man. Fuck that shit.

I've fucked between 28 - 60 women but lost count a long time ago. Majority I fucked raw, so I guess I'm lucky to have no kids I know of or any more STIs. It is absolutely horrifying to know I'll live the rest of my life with herpes and have absolutely no idea which slut gave it to me.
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>>25358073
yes bc guys dont get fucked and nobody cums in a mans pussy/ass except for gays. men fuck thats why i would care a lot less about a males virginty too
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>>25358172

Two of the girls weren't even on birth control. One chick I just nutted in 3 times and bought her plan B after each time.

The other woman was a long term fwb.i pulled out and we agreed that if something happened I would take her for an abortion.

Tldr if women want your dick they will do anything for it and don't give a fuck about condoms.
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>>25358172
A rare journey inside the mind of the common African American.
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>>25358193
Repent to who and for what reason? Just because you have a twisted view on life doesn't make you morally superior.
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Is it wrong to want a damaged but incredibly cute and smart girl?
It feels wrong but I fucking love that shallow men wouldn't be constantly seeking to add her to their count and she'd know I love her for the real her, all the while I get to appreciate her natural beauty, charm, and intelligence.
Then again, reading between the lines, it kinda sounds like I'm trapping someone with low confidence into a relationship.
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>>25358205
You're probably the saddest example of a human I can imagine.
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>>25358200
If you're struggling to understand that extremely unsubtle point and also don't value human life beyond your own, I suppose you may be grad school material after all!
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>>25357938
>She’s my friend’s ex fiancé. I can’t do this
She's your friend's *ex* fiancée. He doesn't own her. She's a free agent and can fuck whoever she likes. If you want her, go for it.
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>>25358199
not a woman though mr expert on women
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>>25358200
>I beg your pardon?
Guess not. Sorry you sounded like a guy I went to law school with.
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>>25358158
Good for you, but I don't feel silly because it's usually incels who talk about 'hypergamy', and nothing I've said about them is inaccurate. I'd advise you not to listen to them.
They occasionally pay attention to real things (like women's promiscuity), but only myopically (they don't care about male promiscuity, even though it is and has historically been worse) and as a justification for their own terrible behavior. There are much better sources of information out there, even leaving aside the association being bad on its own.

>>25358164
'Touting the virtues' of something while calling standards meant to ensure those virtues retarded or fetishistic is just intellectual masturbation.
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>>25358159
borderline extreme, you know your days are numbered and so does every other guy close to her. they all want what you momentarily have. she will have all the rare and exotic job offers that only true hot girls can have, all of them will separate you from her.
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>>25358031
Yes.

>>25358110
Middle between looks and personality, because those are the same thing for me. Work doesn't matter to me much at all, but it doesn't matter none either. (Unless she's super rich, I guess.)

>>25358157
In the real world name-brand isn't that important.

>>25358159
I didn't find it that stressful, but to be honest I don't actually feel stress, so...
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This is literally me

How do i find a girlfriend to marry
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>>25357966
>Really? Have you ever felt a man's shaved ass?
Yes. It felt like a baby's ass, not a man's.
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>>25358207

I'm white as fuck lol. Am Scottish

>>25358200

Shit sorry to hear that. I guess that's the problem as a fairly attractive guy it's easy to get into that kind of lifestyle

How have herpes affected your dating life?
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>>25358163
You speaketh the incel
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>>25358221
Faggot
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>>25358210
>Then again, reading between the lines, it kinda sounds like I'm trapping someone with low confidence into a relationship.
Nah, listen man, someone has to get those of us too insecure and damaged for the regular guys to want to have sex with. Don't think of it as trapping her, because I can almost guarantee she wont actually think of it that way.
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>>25358219
Equally retarded is constructing a single entity to argue with.
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>>25358031
>Do guys like environmentally friendly girls
Sure. Why not?
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>>25358110
Sorry, my puny female mind is having trouble visualizing the shapes involved here
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>>25358031
i dont give a fuck about wether a girl is environmental friendly, if anything its a minus bc shes probably a leftist brainwashed liberal retard pic rel, who fucks browns
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>>25358185
It's pathetic to call standards 'complexes'. Amoral yet somehow sanctimonious people like you disgust me.
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>>25358203
I fucked a slut recently who only mentioned she wasn't on BC after I'd nutted in her. Decided to spend the rest of the day nutting in her over and over again because what's done is done. After about the fourth creampie I realised I didn't need to buy her the morning after pill. I had her organise a meet up with some dude who agreed to buy her the pill if he could nut in her. I cummed in her one last time before sending her on her way and she kept begging me to hurry up and cum so her pussy wouldn't be too sore for him. Slut didn't even shower before going to see him. Women are fucked. Then she text me the next day saying he refused to buy her the pill too lmao.
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>>25358137
>dehumanizing

go back to redit trannylover
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>>25358240
>It's pathetic to call standards 'complexes'. Amoral yet somehow sanctimonious people like you disgust me.
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All the classic sockpuppets are back.
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>>25358221
nta in no way are you above anyone here, the most sad desperate pathetic loser I have ever seen.

If you are not like this anon, your life is not that bad.
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>>25358219
If you're still using the "incel" cope and giving advice to others while putting common medical concepts in scare quotes, I'd advise you not to listen to anyone and work on coming up with your own thoughts.
"Incels" are just like the rest of you. They exist in a different state of being but their entire thought process is normalfag obsession with status and identity and self-esteem to the core. It's really pathetic, but it's not any different or more pathetic than coomers or people who seethe about incels.
You're all the same. Grow up.
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>>25358161
idc if you made a 180 lol your body count still marks you as a slut, i dont want a slut as gf

its about as good as whores saying oh yes after riding the cockcarusel now i am ready to settle down, no thanks roasty your past isnt forgotten from nobody your body doesnt forget. live with your poor choices
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>>25358078
>Why do none of the women I fuck ever want me to wear a condom?
Women don't like the feel of condoms any more than men do. It makes you feel like you're fucking a dildo wrapped in a freezer bag. Most of us understand the necessity of them, but we don't like them.
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>>25358214
What made you think I wanted to do more study? I've already got two degrees. Civil law at Oxford, an LLM, or MBA aren't that helpful until I've worked for a decade.
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>>25358225
>Scottish
A rare journey inside the mind of the common African British.
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You guys know that slutty girls suck dick good, right?
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>>25358133
>Are pussies warm?
Oh yeah. Warm and wet. Mmmm.
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>>25358252
>idc if you made a 180 lol your body count still marks you as a slut, i dont want a slut as gf
I have a grand total of 0 prior sexual partners, but you made your point about your fetish ruling your decisionmaking. I hope that it's true that even thinking the way I do repels you, because that's the goal.
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>>25358232
What do you mean? I was talking about opposing certain things, and I will argue against those things. If they don't apply to you, then there's no issue. I'm not interested in arguing with a specific person *because* they're that person.

>>25358031
Yes, as long as they're not leftist.
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>>25358259
Sluts are awesome
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>>25358244
no selfies this isn't /soc/
>>25358259
i don't want to get my dick sucked in general
also sex acts are not a skill and the wife whose husband does like his dick sucked and has been doing it for fifteen years to that particular dick is better than you will ever be for any given man, try a new cope
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>>25358267
Kek triggered
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>>25358210
>Is it wrong to want a damaged but incredibly cute and smart girl?
Yes.
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Imagine unironically living in fucking Florida lmao
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>>25358213
t. coping ugly girl

>>25358190
i think so too
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>americans get out of school
>thread goes to shit
Well, see you some other time
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>>25358259
>You guys know that slutty girls suck dick good, right?
Eh... not always.
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>>25358274
Haha I, a completely different anon, agree entirely with your clever and witty post, king!
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>>25358171
that first post reply to this post isnt me btw its another anon, i dont feel effected by your post.
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>>25358275
t. Samefag
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>>25358259

Absolutely
Was banging this absolutely whore of a brown girl who whored herself out to every white dick (if he was over 6")

Her blowjobs were literally heaven

>>25358203
She was the fwb from this post. Holy fuck I wish I could fuck her again. To bad she's mentally unstable and ended up blocking me on everything after 4 months of sex.
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>>25358259
right hand is best though, if you don't care about the person doing the blow
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>>25358278
>>>/int/
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>>25358228
i speaketh the truth
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>>25358225
>>25358225
Herpes is fucked. Even after two years I still get outbreaks. My penis gets water filled pimples, the skin sheds, the tip becomes raw and red, and the thought of sex whilst suffering from an outbreak is repulsive. Even masturbating hurts during an outbreak. I take medication but it doesn't really help. Every four or five months I'll have an outbreak lasting two to six weeks. During that time it is basically no fap hell. I've never tried having sex during an outbreak but when I don't have it women don't care. Some even say they're clean, then when I say I have herpes, they say, "yay, me too." I ask them why they lied about being clean and they say everyone has herpes, who cares? It is so fucked. Women are insane.
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>>25358254
Aren't you scared of STIs or accidental pregnancies?
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>>25357623
I was actually going to be nice to women this thread but I just finished reading and it's the same:
>isn't it so creepy and objectifying how men think how many other men I fucked says something about my personality? etc etc
So instead I will say

Women,
Women bad. Why women bad?
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>>25358250
>common medical concepts
It's a sociological one, but the reason I used 'scare quotes' is more to show my disdain for the connotation of the word when used by incels, not for the term itself. They treat it as something both pervasive and horrible, and then use that delusion as an excuse to keep acting as incels generally do.

>normalfag obsession with status and identity and self-esteem to the core
I'm not the one getting this defensive over a post that apparently didn't even apply to you.
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>>25358263
okay idc, i hope you get a male who fucked lots of girls and has stds, since you fit perfectly together bc youre so nonjudgemental lol
sorry but body count literally shows if the girl was morale or not its that simple, i dont want a sloppy seconds girls getting their holes penetrated by many guys only to settle with me lol literal cuck tier
youre already a slut in your mind thats why you dont like the idea of sluts bc you want to feel excused from acting out
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>>25358267
>no selfies this isn't /soc/
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>>25358298
Hypergamy is incredibly pervasive and, indeed, horrible for all parties concerned in nearly all cases.
>defensive
But I attacked your stance and worldview openly, that wasn't defensive at all, I barely even mentioned myself.
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>>25358284
no lol im not an anime poster, i just think hes right.
i look good and ive ugly women literally treating me badly from ignoring me to throwing negging shit at me while grocery shopping

the beautiful girls are almost all very very nice and friendly to me, i stopped bothering with ugly women
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>>25358293

Damn dude are you banging trailer trash or ghetto girls?

All the girls I fuck are in uni or uni educated or young professionals. You think they would be smarter but no they're just the same about this stuff. But they don't have STDs which is nice.
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>>25358301
anon you literally quoted it and still did it why
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>>25358284
>>25358303
>>25358304
lol see, we literally posted at the same time we arent samefag, nigga
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>>25358297
Because men accept bad women.
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>>25358297
I'm a man and I said this though.
It's bad to have had too many partners, but it's also not a hard and fast rule. It's just a preference.

What bothers me is when it becomes an insane checklist coming from some insecure man acting like he's a god amongst men. And even more so when said retard can't see a woman's worth beyond their value to him as a partner.
I mean, it's good those around him know he's retarded, but it sucks for these threads.
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>>25358293
Sounds like they're at least aware of being trash while you're still in denial.
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>>25358304
Why are you so desperate to flaunt yourself on an anonymous imageboard? Don't you have some grindr matches to validate your ego?
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>>25358299
Not that anon, but body count is a worthless standard because it only measures the degree of wrong (and only after the fact), not the presence of it.

>>25358302
>I barely even mentioned myself.
Every sentence in >>25358158 except the last one starts with "I". If that isn't you, sue me for not having ESP and failing to detect when some mongoloid decides to insert himself in a conversation he's irrelevant to.
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>>25358322
Kek
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>>25358314
I don't, please thank me for making the world a better place.
>>25358316
Imagine simping for /atoga/ regulars kek
It's a rare occasion when I feel a need to say this, as I feel it's generally overused, but:
They're not gonna fuck you, bro.
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>>25358306
Almost all are university educated or working professionals. Sometimes I slum it and fuck an immigrant though.
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>>25358323
+++~~~{{{I}}}~~~+++ think maybe 4chan isn't for you since you don't understand how threads work and that your identity truly does not matter here.
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>>25358318
How am I trash?
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I used to date an anorexic girl. I'm very obese, about the same height or an inch shorter than her, not working, and cheap. Why the fuck did this girl keep asking me to take her out? Our personalities never seemed to mesh and it ended up not working out, but I'm still kind of hung up on her and really want a girl that gets me that aroused. What the hell was happening?
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>>25358302

I like hypergamy and sexual liberation lol. Girls just want to get a pump in with me before somebody else grabs my attention.

Abortion is super normalized and chicks literally get one with no hesitation feelings at all. They would probably be way more judged for having a kid than having an abortion.

Basically if your hot living in a big city is a pussy buffet and never worry about having a kid.

I got bored of banging sluts tho after 7 in the year 2021 so I'm taking a break for now. I only bang 7/10s and higher otherwise my count could be more.
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>>25358261
That doesn't sound like a good combination
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>>25358335
Comedy gold.
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A woman on tinder opened me with “you look like the lead of a band”, how do I reply to this is an playful way that’s not too boring?
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>>25358326
Loser
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>>25358340
A rare journey inside the mind of the common African American.
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>>25358323
a body count of 5+ or 10+ says a lot, it is wrong and i need no more info, retard
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>>25358344
Wanna be my groupie?
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>>25358344
>like a cool band, or a Christian rock band?
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>>25358327
I feel bad for you. You still see the world through sexual and materialistic lens. My humanity is not a barter beyond my own happiness found in expressing it.
Et, in vera, caput ducat corpus.
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My parents literally DON'T CARE at all about the fact that I'm a 29 year old virgin who's never had a girlfriend and likely never will if things continue to go on this way. This is the number one factor causing my depression, self-hate, and misery and they don't care about it at all and just ignore. It's incredibly embarrassing and shameful to bring it up, it takes a lot of courage and honesty on my part to be able to say it out loud, and they just don't care. They just get awkward and completely ignore it and ignore me until I'm done having my shitfit. They don't care at all about the fact that I'm sad or depressed.

Aren't parents meant to love their children.? Why did they create me if they hate me so much or are so indifferent to my suffering? I know I'm 29 and a grown man and an adult, but I'm still their son and the same person I was when I was a kid, why should my sadness and suffering mean nothing now but it meant something 20 years ago? I'm still the same human being with the same feelings.

Why even create a human being and raise him and pay for him for 18 years if you don't care that this human being is suffering the worst agony and misery he's ever had in his existence.
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>>25358365
Maybe therapy.
Do you have a job?
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>>25358365
my mother told me "hey maybe you can find yourself some mutant to date ?"

she thinks i deserve a mutant
i must be very attractive
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>>25358354
I like this response. Very clever and funny without being weird.
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>>25358316
>it's bad to do X
>but it's bad to care about not doing X
Delusional bullshit

>can't see a woman's worth beyond their value to him as a partner.
When you're *looking for a partner*, of course their qualities as a partner are what matters. Does this mean that how I treat people is solely a function of what I see in them as a partner, or of their utility to me? Of course not.


>>25358352
>a body count of 5+ or 10+ says a lot
Do you not understand what "measuring the degree of wrong" means? Yes, it does tell you all you need to know, but acting like a 'body count' under some arbitrary number is totally fine regardless of the behavior involved is what's ridiculous. Someone who has a 'body count' of 0 but who is on craigslist for a hookup is morally infinitely worse than someone who wanted to wait until marriage but got raped, or who waited until marriage but was cheated on by their spouse.

Focus on morals. Past actions are valid evidence for them, but they aren't equivalent.
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>>25358365
It’s not mommy and daddy’s job to help you have sex
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>>25358368
A therapist is some person that pretends to give a shit about your problems for money. Basically the prostitute equivalent of friends/family.

Your family, ESPECIALLY your parents, are supposed to be empathetic. I’m not asking my parents to wave a magic wand and fix my problems. I dont even expect them to help.

I just want them to care about the fact that I’m sad or suffering. They don’t remotely care. They’re happy when I’m suffering in silence because then I’m not annoying them. When I talk about my feelings they just get annoyed and ignore me until I stfu. They literally do not remotely care that their son is feeling miserable and suicidal
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If I had a pretty face people would have been way nicer to me. Is it over for me?
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>>25358343
K
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>>25358384
>Do you not understand what "measuring the degree of wrong" means? Yes, it does tell you all you need to know, but acting like a 'body count' under some arbitrary number is totally fine regardless of the behavior involved is what's ridiculous. Someone who has a 'body count' of 0 but who is on craigslist for a hookup is morally infinitely worse than someone who wanted to wait until marriage but got raped, or who waited until marriage but was cheated on by their spouse.

>Focus on morals. Past actions are valid evidence for them, but they aren't equivalent.

buddy, someone who has a high body count clearly didnt focus on morales and is a toxic slutty girl form a bad household. your logic is redit tier, you should go back

are you this 'i changed 180' girl
sorry but you cant just throw your past away it is a part of you, i dont respect a girl that literally was on the cock carusel and then finally 'found herself' ridiculous
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>>25358365
Jesus Christ this has to be bait.
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>>25358395
only if you are a woman, i have a pretty face, and it can cause seething in others. you actual go more unnoticed as an npc normie face
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>>25358386
The LEAST they could do is say “I care about your feelings” or offer words of advice or support. I know they’re not gonna help me have sex. I know I’m gonna die a lonely unloved incel.

All I want is for them to show the slightest bit of caring that their progeny is sad and miserable.

They’ve literally had a hate boner for me ever since I dropped out of university and I feel like they subtly disowned me
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>>25358242
That's fucking hot
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>>25358394
Maybe they're tired of listening to your shit after 29 years. I know I would be.
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>>25358398
I'm saying that body count is too lenient and vacuous a standard, you illiterate monkey.
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>>25358409
Then why did they create me
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>>25358405
>The LEAST they could do is say “I care about your feelings” or offer words of advice or support.
What the fuck are you a girl dude? Because that's girl-tier thinking.
>ohhhh nooooo I need mommy to hug me and tell me it'll be okay
You have a complex about women. You will never get better until you defeat that complex. That is it. Your parents are incapable of helping you with this or giving constructive advice because, ironically, when it comes to being an incel is the one time your parents genuinely do not understand.
>They’ve literally had a hate boner for me ever since I dropped out of university and I feel like they subtly disowned me
Yeah I'd be pissed off if my kid dropped out of university too.
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>>25358384
>Delusional bullshit
Nope. You're shutting down your brain and refusing nuance, or you're just dumb. It's bad to not have been a perfect student in high school, but that's not a death sentence to anyone who pursues a higher degree of education in life.
Acting all smug and superior over someone who has achieved more than you but made stupid mistakes... Is dumb.

I don't think my partner should have a body count above 0, per se, but I'm not going to throw away my own happiness for something so... Removed from humanity is the best way to put it I suppose.

Follow the Dao. That is all you can do. If God is real he created a perfect world, including our suffering and faults. If you truly believe in God's greatness you ought to stop hating his children, as well as yourself.
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>>25358410
NTA but if an girl has had someone else’s smelly dick inside her vag other than mine, she’s not fit to be the mother of my children
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If you're a woman with a body count higher than 0 and not a widow, you're not for me.

If you're a man with a body count less then 50, you're not a man, you're a boy. Grow up.
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>>25358413
>Then why did they create me
They brought you into the world. They didn't make you miserable and a failure. You did that to yourself.
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>>25358337
kek no one is in a frenzy. someone want feel extra special today, like a little bitch
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>>25358410
lol it literally isnt, its completely straight and truthful
low body count or zero = not damaged slut
high count = damaged whore no wife materila

its 100% truth
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>>25358417
What if it was your dad's dick?
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>>25358419
kek it really do seem that way sometimes
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>>25358337
why are you ban evading instead of getting your dick sucked? seems kinda smegma male of you mr player
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>>25358420
Even if I did do that to myself, even if I’m a serial killer and am pure evil, I’m still there son and they should still love me and be empathetic to my feelings.

I’ve seen mothers who’s sons are rapists and killers still love their son.

But when your son is an incel, your mother literally and unironically stops loving you.
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>>25358419
a body count of 5 and below is still acceptable for girls in their late 20s
anything higher is a girl that was slutty

i dont think its good for males either to have a high body count, it usually means hes trash and focused his whole life on getting laid and probably is emotionally damaged and has stds
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>>25358425
Hmmmm, if it was dad’s or big bro’s, and dad or big bro died, I’d be willing to step up. But only then.
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>>25358434
お前はもうとてもパテチク。
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>>25358433
Are you retarded? Any body count higher than one is absolutely disgusting for a woman. Only niggers and spics tolerate sluts. Niggers and spics have been scientifically proven to have lower IQ, worse decision making, and more violent tendencies. I wish we could sterilize them all.

A man who focuses on sex isn't a man. He is a degenerate. A man should get laid without trying. If you ever double text a woman, told her you loved her, paid for a meal, or thought about a girl you are vermin. Real men have sex without trying. Maybe when you are an adult you will understand this.
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>>25358444
What if dad or big bro tapped you in for an mfm or mmf threesome?
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>>25357630
Yes, definitely. They're not really conducive to talking and getting to know the other person.
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>>25358455
im not an incel like you, a woman in late 20s, its completely normal to have a body count of a few guys

youre probably the guy spamming and preaching about no sex be4 marriage while furiously masturbating to porn everyday.
im not like you, im not a coping incel who copes with telling girls to not have sex lol.
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>>25358416
Yes, you absolute mongoloid, I am 'refusing nuance' because THAT IS THE POINT of moral standards. To clearly reject certain actions and provide clear guidance on behavior.

> It's bad to not have been a perfect student in high school
Don't conflate outcomes with intentions or actions.
You know full well what I'm talking about. If you think an action is wrong, but then say that holding people accountable for their actions is wrong, that's completely ineffectual garbage that only lets you exercise your own ego. You think *I'M* acting smug for opposing something I think is wrong, when you act like this self-contradictory mindset is some sort of key to enlightenment?

A better analogy would be 'not having been a perfect student because you were skipping school and getting high'. One might oppose those actions BECAUSE it could lead to being a bad student. But the actions are what morally condemn, not the outcome itself. A student who is slow but tries hard is far more respectable than the relatively smart but hedonistic and uncaring one who fails for lack of effort.

>>25358417
You're not helping your case. You get accused of being objectifying because you respond to appeals to morality with this kind of thing, in some of the most crude and selfish terms possible. No different than manwhores who leave women if they don't get immediate sex.
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I’m an unattractive female. I probably won’t get married. What else do I have going for me?
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>>25358475
You mean your face is unattractive? You can still sell fetish pics, like feet or ass.
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>>25358475
you can get married to an unattractive male
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>>25358469
I only use sluts as warm fuck toys. Virgins get dates but once they put out I ghost them. A woman should wait until marriage and I've yet to meet one who could wait a week.
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>>25358471
Romance can happen under false pretenses. And yes, being a whore isn't great...
There's too much vagueness to this all for any meaningful discussion to continue.

Which only proves my point, nuance is needed. We're humans, we have faults, given the right situation you might be on my end of the conversation and I on yours.


You can make predictions and analysis based on large groups, but anyone worth their salt will put a disclaimer of how increasingly useless said analysis becomes as you zoom in. I look for people with low body counts because they're likely to match my desires and personality, but I am more than willing to love a future soulmate who has had sex before, even love.
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>>25358475
if you're not below 4 out of 10 you're a okay
actually even if you're lower it could still happen. a friend of mine i used to see as ugly i now see as cute.
focus on the mind.
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How do I get the confidence to talk on the mic in multiplayer games?
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>>25358504
ok incel
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>>25358423
Now you're not talking about 'body count', but you're still not right to equate virginity with morality.
Every whore was born a virgin. And every single one of them had to have the mindset necessary to become a whore. Conversely, despite doing everything right, some women will get married but justifiably divorce a husband who ends up being abusive or unfaithful.

>>25358469
That clown isn't me (how can you not tell the difference between an obvious shitpost of "you must have 50 partners or you're not a man" and "nobody should have sex outside of marriage).
I've been arguing with both hedonists and incels for years, because you have much more in common with each other than people with morals. I've been told to "take the car out for a test drive" as an argument against waiting until marriage by manwhores, by self-proclaimed feminists who also claim to oppose objectification, and by incels.

>its completely normal to have a body count of a few guys
What is normal is not what is good, and anyone who accepts the essence of an action has no right to complain about its excess. Imagine applying this "logic" to crimes like murder.
>"Oh, yeah, Jimmy over there? He's a good guy, only killed one or two people, nothing like that psychotic asshole Gerald. He killed 6. SIX! The monster!"
Saying that it's okay (even expected) to have sex without commitment, and then adhering to completely arbitrary and unenforceable standards like 'don't have more than 5 partners', is utterly delusional. Someone can reach and then exceed that joke of a standard just by doing what you expect. It's self-defeating.
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Question for M
So I try to stay away from supporting fast fashion but I have some cheap poorly made pants and tops from places like h&m that I wear sometimes as loungewear mostly. Do you care or judge if a girl has cheap clothing like this on?
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>>25358547
I literally can't tell, so there's no need to worry about this
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>>25358475
Im a unattractive male you could date and be bappy with but since you have your sights only on guys 8/10 and above you will never be attracted to me

It is what it is
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>>25358530
He was clearly poking fun at all the retards saying sexual history matters. Are you retarded?
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>>25358547
unless it's falling apart before my eyes, I won't mind
loungewear is meant to be comfortable and cheap
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>>25358552
You must be able to tell quality differences in the clothing/fabric, even when shopping for yourself?
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>>25358365
Sometimes you need to detach yourself from someone's pain. Your parents are not obligated to torture themselves.

>>25358547
Some of my favorite clothing I wear is from H&M, iirc.
I won't be able to tell how much you spent on clothing unless it's literally studded with diamonds and gold, and even then maybe not. Wear clothing that looks nice on you and fits you well, and you're good.
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>>25358547
I promise you guys cant literally tell
They just see if the overall stylee and shape somewhat fits

And we check if your butt looks good in those pants
Thats about it
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>>25358547
no, in fact i think most womens clothes is cheap like hm, zara, pull bear the list goes on a lot

especially if you are a younger girl it doesnt matter, and double this if you look good in the clothes

and i know a girl who is pretty, and she often wears shitty clothes, but i still realise shes very pretty. i actually think she wears big baggy jeans bc she doesnt want that much attention
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>>25358561
I really can't. Even if I rub the fabric between my fingers. If a girl I like is wearing the clothes, then I like the clothes.
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>>25358558
sexual history does matter a lot, whore
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>>25358561
I don't even know what material the shirt I'm wearing right now is made of
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>>25358568
>hm, zara, pull bear
I usually stay away from these places for mostly this reason. I am really surprised that it seems like guys dont really notice this stuff?
Im also a baggy jeans enjoyer they are comfy
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>>25358584
I thought the same, but now I know that fashion is for impressing other women, not guys. They're more concerned about what's underneath your clothes.
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>>25358584
i do notice it, but i am into fashion and dress stylish myself. and i look better in 20 bucks pull & bear skinny jeans than wearing 200dollar diesel jeans
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>>25358505
>Romance can happen under false pretenses.
It's almost like waiting until marriage is a strong protection against those false pretenses.
It's almost like I *already said* that I don't equate nonvirginity to immorality, if the person in question DID wait until marriage but was wronged. But morality demands clear rejection of certain actions--like having sex with someone you're not married to--as inherently wrong.

Saying that exceptions make rules useless is willful ignorance of the purpose and utility of rules.
Morality is a structure for conduct in society. It isn't an all-expansive specification for everything that happens within society. Nuance applies AFTER the basic structure is in place. It isn't a replacement for that structure. If you want to accept someone despite their faults, that's your prerogative. But to say that anyone is WRONG for rejecting those faults--which we both agree are faults--is just moral parasitism, which feeds off of positive outcomes supported by moral standards while rejecting those same standards.
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>>25358584
I notice how you look. I don't notice the price tag or the material.
Guys don't have clothing choices so it's a lot more transactional for us.
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>>25358471
>You're not helping your case. You get accused of being objectifying because you respond to appeals to morality with this kind of thing, in some of the most crude and selfish terms possible. No different than manwhores who leave women if they don't get immediate sex.

LMAO what case am I trying to make you dumb slut? That I don't want to commit my love to a woman who has a dirty rank pussy stinking of other dude's cum? Oh no I'm crude. Oh no I'm sexist. Fucking sue me. You still won't make me marry your dirty stinky pussy.

Cum dumpsters are no different to hookers. Worth a pump and dump, nothing more. Certainly not worth my love and affection. I don't give a shit about morality, I just don't want to commit my love to a woman who's been defiled by another man. I have to be her first. I have to be the one to defile her otherwise I'm not marrying her.
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>>25358608
Yeah, I can certainly recognise different styles, but I can't tell $10 jeans from $100 jeans.
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>>25358558
>retards saying sexual history matters
It does. Neither men nor women should have sex outside of marriage. It's objectively the best way to ensure stable and happy marriages.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2012.00996.x/abstract
>Bivariate results suggested that delaying sexual involvement was associated with higher relationship quality across several dimensions. The multivariate results indicated that the speed of entry into sexual relationships was negatively associated with marital quality, but only among women."

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2003.00444.x/abstract
>"I find that premarital sex or premarital cohabitation that is limited to a woman's husband is not associated with an elevated risk of marital disruption. However, women who have more than one intimate premarital relationship have an increased risk of marital dissolution."

http://psycnet.apa.org/record/2010-25811-011
>"Both structural equation and group comparison analyses demonstrated that sexual restraint was associated with better relationship outcomes, even when controlling for education, the number of sexual partners, religiosity, and relationship length."

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/pere.12009
>"The research objective was to test whether the number of sexual partners was associated with sexual quality, communication, relationship satisfaction, and relationship stability, while controlling for relationship length, education, race, income, age, and religiosity, using the two competing theories of sexual compatibility and sexual restraint. The results, with a sample of 2,654 married individuals, indicated that the number of sexual partners was associated with lower levels of sexual quality, communication, and relationship stability, providing support for the sexual restraint theory."
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>>25358469
>its completely normal to have a body count of a few guys

That's cause guys don't want you as anything more than a girl friend. They want to have you around as a fuckbuddy to have sex with, and they'll tell you it's fine and normal.

then you're left wondering "waaaaah it's been 5 years why won't my boyfriend propose" and then he'll break up with you and instantly marry a virgin.

NOBODY wants to marry a used up slut. NOBODY. Not even men who've slept around. A guy who's fucked 50 women wants to marry a virgin as much as a guy who's a virgin himself. A woman with a dirty stank cunt has no value beyond sex. She's not fit to be a mother or a wife.
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>>25358611
I'm not a woman.
> I don't give a shit about morality
That's my point, subhuman. You lot are just as repulsive as whores, and I hate being lumped in with you.
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>tfw no masculine emotionally wounded boyfriend with a tragic past who always tries to protect others because he knows how bad emotional pain and suffering is, despite the fact that he's so vulnerable and traumatized and needs protection more than anyone else does
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>>25358568
>i actually think she wears big baggy jeans bc she doesnt want that much attention
I tried to do this in school, but it was just too awkward. I felt like I was wearing men's jeans. It's much easier to hide boobs with baggy clothes than to hide ass.
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>>25358572
Why does it matter?
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>>25358608
>Guys don't have clothing choices so it's a lot more transactional for us

Are you retarded? Yes, we do.
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Happy thanksgiving I am currently spending it at an Asian womans house
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>>25358619
meds
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>>25358617
Who said anyone wanted to get married? Why would you involve the state in your affairs?
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>>25358652
I didn't know Asians celebrated Thanksgiving but I hope you enjoy
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>>25358627
You had me, kinda.
Problem is that last part makes it difficult to help and meet others.
These last two years have done a number on me too, with the lockdowns.
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>>25358623
Morality is a meme. You think your life will be better if you follow some rule book written by other people to make you an obedient slave?

Everybody lies. Everybody cheats. Your wife who tells you she's a virgin will lie. She'll probably also cheat. You either play the game like everybody else or you can be a naive brat and fall face first into a pile of shit.
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>>25358677
if your soul is dead or repressed theres not much point to living
seek the dao. it is all that matters.
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>>25358656
Why? I'm not a "le depressed" attention whore who needs kike pills to form a personality.
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Women: What reason would you have for not dating for over 6 years? I personally don't mind but I am wondering if there is a bad reason.
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>>25358651
With all due respect, are you really so autistic you can't recognize hyperbole on the Internet?
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>>25358242
I just nutted to this ty
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>>25358679
There's never ANY point to living. You will die today or tomorrow or the day after. Nothing you do in life will change that or what comes next. You're on a short ad break now. You can sit like a good goy waiting for the ad break to be over and carefully paying attention, or you can go take a piss. Either way, your time is running out.
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>>25358682
Nice backtracking, retard. Bet your mum still dresses you.
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are you sending a happy thanksgiving text to the person you are dating? (not bf/gf, husband/wife)
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>>25358677
>everybody
Based on you NEEDING everyone to be like you to feel secure or validated, I'm guessing life without morality hasn't actually treated you well at all. So insecure and pushy.
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>>25358687
there's no point? but who types this? your brain? your self?
you have the grandest mystery possible every second you exist yet here you are chasing material possessions, letting it seep so deeply into your mind you cannot even divorce the greatest mystery possible from your insanity.

you seek to make the world mundane. you seek to be master. but you are no master. you will die never understanding what you were or what this was. and yet, with the great mystery inside you, you seek to pursue what hurts out of ideals you don't even believe in.
why do you hurt yourself so? must you value what others value? be happy as others tell you happiness is?
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>>25358627
Sorry, but intentionally leaving myself vulnerable rather than desensitizing myself strengthened me to the point where I genuinely can't truly need a woman, I could only ever love her and have an easier time in life due to her.

But otherwise you called it out
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>>25358299
>youre already a slut in your mind
>a virgin
If people needed any other proof that you guys are just calling people sluts regardless of what happens, here it is. You're just bitter because of your own shortcomings, and take it out on others to not take responsibility for your own angry and seething emotions.
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>>25358296
>Aren't you scared of STIs or accidental pregnancies?
No, because I use condoms and a hormonal IUD. But just because I use condoms doesn't mean I like them; and I can understand why some women might hate them so much they don't want to bother.
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>>25358700
No I'm all alone debating if I should go to the lonely people free Thanksgiving meal, or buy a Thanksgiving meal from the restaurant I've been meaning to go to. I'm a little avoidant either way because I realized I missed some spots washing sand off my arms this morning
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>>25358342
>That doesn't sound like a good combination
Don't knock it till you've tried it.
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>>25358688
It's not backtracking, it was always hyperbole. And fairly obvious hyperbole, at that. So obvious I thought it went without saying. Seriously, *are* you autistic?
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>>25358700
I'm thinking about it...
Would a guy like a picture of my stomach after eating a huge meal, or is that gross?
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>>25358734
Does he like vore or pregnancy
If so he'll love it
Otherwise it will probably just be a funny pic
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>>25358733
We get it, mate. You're embarrassed that your mum dresses you. Chill out.
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>>25358365
>This is the number one factor causing my depression, self-hate, and misery
No, it isn't. You have the cause and effect the wrong way round. Your depression, self-hate and misery are what are preventing you from getting laid.
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>>25358419
>you're not for me
Thank God for that.
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>>25358742
Oh, I see. You're trolling. Sorry, I didn't realize you were just pretending to be dumb.
I mean, not that that means you aren't autistic, mind.
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>>25358700
I’m sending one to a girl I used to be in love with
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>>25358475
>I’m an unattractive female. I probably won’t get married. What else do I have going for me?
Probably any number of things, but without knowing you it's hard to tell.
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>>25358703
You will never know the answers. You have a body made of flesh and blood. Might as well maximise whatever reward and pleasure you get here while you can. You don't know what's coming next.
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>>25358521
>How do I get the confidence to talk on the mic in multiplayer games?
Try it. I guarantee the outcome won't be as bad as you're afraid it will.
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Should I try talking to my hot 18 year old coworker if I'm in my mid-late 20's?
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>>25358369
>Mom told me I was destined to end up with a monster
>tfw still no monsterboy BF
I'm so disappointed.
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>>25358521
Male or female? If you're a girl, just suck up to the admin and have them ban anyone who insults you.
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>>25358475
you should see the swamp creatures in my small town that end up finding love and getting married, it's not over for you
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>>25358734
I love pics like that. Non-sexual and friendly, kinda perfect for thanksgiving.
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>>25358767
if you don't care about the job, of course. if you like the job, then i'd avoid dating within it.
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/atoga/ made me realise that holes will never agree with you on anything. Even if she's your ideal girl, i.e. a virgin who hasn't had sex, wants marriage and kids, isn't a degenerate, whatever. She will STILL disagree with you on everything, she will still have retarded as fuck opinions, she will still be a shit for brains moron.

The only solution is to realise that women are a meme undeserving of any consideration or human rights. Get from them what you want and leave it at that. Get married and hope the hole gives birth to a based son who will one day grow up and you can see eye to eye with and who will carry on your legacy.

Every king and emperor in history realised this. Every philosopher. Nobody ever gave a shit about women's worthless """""""""""""opinions"""""""""""""" until horny simps of the modern day started existing.
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>>25358734
>>25358740
definitely make it funny
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>>25358756
i hope she texts you back anon!

>>25358731
that sounds super scary going to a free thanksgiving.
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>>25358681
>What reason would you have for not dating for over 6 years?
All the men I met during that time were shit.
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>>25358369
>hey maybe you can find yourself some mutant to date ?
I wish...
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>>25358700
>are you sending a happy thanksgiving text to the person you are dating?
No, because I am not American.
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>>25358644
she doesnt have a huge nigger ass
shes like 5'10 cute dreamy doll girl with long legs
it literally looks like shes wearing a garbage bag but i still know shes very pretty

>>25358645
bc nobody wants a used up whore as gf let alone as wife
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>>25358767
>Should I try talking to my hot 18 year old coworker if I'm in my mid-late 20's?
No! Half your age plus seven years. No younger.
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>>25358734
Do you want to give him a feeding fetish??
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I've been flirting with this girl that's from overseas. She's pretty receptive. Unfortunately, due to timing haven't really been able to really properly get together. She's 30 and 8 years older than me. Do I try and establish some sort of long distance relationship or just let it die? My dick and my brain can't decide.
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>>25358780
I've gotten into vicious fights many times in ATOGA with both genders; the men here are no prize either. There's no such thing as reaching any kind of peaceful resolution in /adv/ arguments in general. Once you piss someone here off, that's it - you're the enemy and they will do their best to pummel you until you stop moving. De-escalation is impossible.
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>>25358734
This is my fetish. Especially if you include a cute caption
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>>25358789
>she doesnt have a huge nigger ass
I'm white and it's still hard to hide it, but I guess a garbage bag would do the trick lol.
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>>25358718
why else would a virgin fight so hard against the stigmata of being a slut? shes litterally already wanting to get fucked and seethes bc she will be labeled a slut if she acts on her thoughts
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>>25358786
Are there any qt female mutants?
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1.your gender
2. Would you marry a female of Asian ethnicity?
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>>25358812
still same anon here, many girls are wearing baggy clothes atm, not saying i support this. but wearing it doesnt seem to be hard. most conservative girls here wear baggy bc it probably makes them look more accomplished and less like a sex object

tbqh i think baggy jeans are boring and im getting tired of them bc i see so many girls wearing them here, but i can understand them
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>>25358782
What's scary about it?
Anyways, I decided on the restaurant so I could just sit at a booth and eat alone.
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>>25358824
M
I can't say I seek out Asians, but I have seen some very pretty ones. I also like their focus on education. The main thing I'm looking for in a gf and wife is just a good companion. I want a sweet girl to love and share things with. We don't have to have all the same hobbies or be a perfect match, I don't consider it settling at all to be a bit different as long as we respect and love each other. I don't know where to meet this girl though.
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>>25358836
I just get afraid of going places alone sometimes. I also feel ashamed eating alone
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>>25358824
M. Her being Asian wouldn't influence my decision either way.
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>>25358681
"I totally don't need a relationship... I'm too introverted and guys never hit on me like they do other women anyway, so it's not worth the hassle, and sex probably isn't even that great anyway"
I was HIGH on copium for a very long time.
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>>25358841
If anyone hassles you for eating alone on a holiday, just say you’re a war veteran and your friends are all dead
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>>25358780
>She will STILL disagree with you on everything, she will still have retarded as fuck opinions, she will still be a shit for brains moron.
>t. used up manwhore who can't cope with the fact that he destroyed his ability to pairbond and can no longer get the girl of his dreams
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>>25358824
F
Yes.
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>>25358806
I don't even know the personalities here or whatever cause 1. I have a life, it's shit, but not shit enough to spend it all here. and 2. I larp as multiple people sometimes to bait and can't be bothered keeping track of who is who.

But one thing I've noticed, women will literally NEVER agree with men, especially when it comes to things like dating, relationships and gender politics. The two come from completely different planets, completely different experiences, different biases, different priorities, different perceptions. There is no overlap. Men and women will never agree, and if you see them agreeing, its cause the man is a horny simp pretending to agree so his gf or wife will have sex and won't beat him over the head.

Best bet is just to find a woman who you can tolerate, have kids as soon as possible, and hope your shared love for the wellbeing of your children is a mutual focus point and doesn't make you hate each other, at least for the next 18 years.
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Why are blue eyed people so evil?
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>>25358824
1. M
2. Yes, my first and only real long term relationship was with a Japanese girl. She loved me and wanted to get married, but unfortunately for her, God coded delayed autistic retardation in my genes that wouldn't manifest until around 22 or 23.
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>>25358753
Low-key think you might be autistic. It was clear he was trolling you from the jump.
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>>25358841
I'd have to never go anywhere then
I mean I mostly don't
People have tried to bug me about eating alone, sometimes being friendly so I'd join them, but sometimes just being assholes or trying to.
I don't really get it because I didn't think that was a stigma outside of east asia.
Anyways, I just moved to this area but I read that crack is invading slowly, like the place I came from but some years behind I guess, so another reason I chose this is I thought it's technically some sort of charity I guess so I might have to hear crackhead-speak which always ruins my mood.
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>>25358796
>No! Half your age plus seven years. No younger.
Why? She's legal.
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>>25358857
bc you are a coping inferior ni
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For fast food wagies.

What is the most petty thing you did to a customer that they 100% deserved.
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>>25358845
>>25358783
Thanks, this woman I have been talking to said she doesn't pursue someone unless she thinks it could go towards marriage and I wasn't sure if there would be some sort of mental illness. I'm gonna take her out to the Christmas tree decorating at the park.
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>>25358824
F
sure.
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>>25358819
? You have misread that a lot buddy, I wasn't fighting the stigma at all. I'm saying that body count alone doesn't mean much. You can have a terrible disposition towards sex and romance whether you have had 0 or 20 sexual partners. My only real issue is with people who obsess over virginity as if it means anything beyond the first few times you have sex. I even said a preference is fine and that I prefer a virgin too, but there is a big gap between obsessing over it like some of you guys do, and just having it as the preference fairytale scenario you dream about.
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>>25358824
M, black man

Sure. I have sexual tension with an Asian female coworker but she has a boyfriend and honestly, she's not that physically attractive to me anyway. But she's pretty average and damn, ngl, I do like her personality for the most part.
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>>25358870
a high body count means a lot are you retarded? thought mean not much but actually getting fucked by many mens cocks literally does

i dont even understand this logic its literally 1+1=2
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>>25358854
I've known people that fare much better than what you outline as the best case scenario (my grandparents were still very passionately romantic up to my grandfather's death when he was 93 and my grandmother 87), but honestly, yeah, most relationships seem pretty shitty and toxic.
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>>25358867
>I'm gonna take her out to the Christmas tree decorating at the park.
...Wait, what country are you in?
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>>25358880
I live in the US, in the town near me they do a window shopping event and light the town Christmas tree on black Friday. Americans love Christmas we have been listening to Christmas music on the radio since the start of November.
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>>25358856
i know, but dating at the office can cause drama
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>>25358870
actions speak a lot louder than thinking about it, sweety
you can be tempted but resist, thats 10000x better than a cockgobbling slut with a high body count
you cannot unthink a high body count you did this literally your own choice and you did this in rea life with a penis in your holes
theres zero excuses for a high body count. zero

a naughty thinkikng virgin is still 100000x purer than a girl who 'made a 180' after being on the cock carusel her whole life
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>>25358876
If the logic was 1+1=2, then I'd love to see your olympic tier mental hoop jumping skills in actions: This applies 100% to men as well.
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>>25358801
Unless you have a clear plan for how/when you're going to meet up I'd let it die. I'd also make sure at least one of you has the qualifications to immigrate to your country of choice. Not worth it if not.
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Both genders

What's the most important/meaningful material possessional that you own?
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>>25358892
i am this:>>25358433
so yes i have no problem with logic. and im totally realistic
the sole reason men arent called whores is bc men cant get laid anyways, you have to literally devote your life to getting laid a lot as a male and thats a red flag too obvs
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>>25358896
My shotgun. I feel safer knowing if I can't take it anymore I can blow my head off.
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>>25358889
You still haven't explained anything. I think you might be illiterate at this point. Particularly because nobody said anything about doing a 180 after being on "the cock carusel".

But okay, I'll keep this in mind and reject any guys who have a body count higher than me. You convinced me, good job anon.
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>>25358896
F

Necklace and pendants that my mom gave me
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>>25358902
that sentence didn't end how i thought it would
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>>25358824
Male
No, and I still await your livestreamed suicide
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>>25358886
Oh wew, I got a bit worried for a second.

That sounds nice, and yeah, there might be some "mental illness" related here, like depression she needed to get in order, or family problems in general that made it too stressful to bother with dating. I can at least relate to those.
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>>25358896
My computer!! :D
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>>25358903
my way of thinking is very logic and straight forward if you have a problem with this its your own thinking that seems to be typically female
if you want i can look up the messages where some anon wrote 'making a 180' but im too tired to speak with you since you will act up no matter
what i also dont get is you tell me i make no sense then say i convinced you to not date a high body count? like what now you understand me or you dont? wtf
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>>25358824
M, sure.

>>25358861
Eh, I've seen dumber people who weren't trolling.

>>25358896
>important
Computer
>meaningful
Photo album of my dad.
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>>25358896
M
A deflated balloon I got my mom for mother's day about a month before she died
Her death was completely unexpected and sudden but she still had the balloon tied to a lamp in her room so she could look at it
I want to fucking die
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>>25358866
Called the police on somebody bringing in a cup to get free drinks
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>>25358852
>taking two asian females off the market
you greedy fuckers
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>>25358948
based
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Both genders
What are some lies to tell women to get sex from them?
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>>25358896
F,
>Important
Phone, by far. I mean, it's hard to really understate how absolutely vital a phone is in todays society. I could leave all other possessions behind and be fine for a very long time with only a phone I could charge. Even drivers license and credit cards can be saved and used directly with your phone, it's ridiculous how central it can be if you want it to.
>Meaningful
A single, big portrait of me and my brother. I thankfully have the polaroids digitalized so I can recreate it worst-case-scenario, but it just has immense sentimental value to me.
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All genders, what would your reaction be if your dad came out as transgender? Would you be supportive?
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>>25358958
my penis is very large
many men on 4chan said so
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>>25358918
>if you want i can look up the messages where some anon wrote 'making a 180' but im too tired to speak with you since you will act up no matter
That was me, and I outright said I was a virgin. I just said I changed my life around, had nothing to do with sex.

The fact that you think it did says a lot about you, however. So focused on sex, typical degenerate coombrain.
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>>25358960
t.>>25358238
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>>25358963
I’ve noticed that women can know you’re well endowed, be very impressed and still reject you.
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>>25358948
If the customer was Black, a police encounter might end in their death. You really want that on your conscience?
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Hi : )
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To females:

I never want kids. Is this going to affect my dating chances. 2) will a childfree woman change her mind once she gets older?

Most of the women I've been with are either neutral on kids or don't want them so it seems pretty normal at least where I live. But I'm also only 23.
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>>25358966
you seem like a negging cunt, probably ugly and frustrated, letting it out on random people who are more attractive
not pleasant to be around
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>>25358976
Sup bitch.
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>>25358958
F
“I’ve planted a bomb under this bed that can only be deactivated by the rhythms of us having sex”

>>25358962
I don’t live with him anymore so I’d just say “cool” I guess

>>25358980
I’m late 20s and still don’t want kids, but I can’t predict what menopause will do to my brain
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>>25358975
Yeah
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>>25358980

I don't think it will hurt your chances. I am not sure if I want kids either, right now it seems like probably not. I have lots of friends who don't either.

I have an IUD in right now and my fwb pulls out most of the time. Maybe I will think about it again when I need a new IUD.

But it's definitely not rare to not want kids these days desu.
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>>25359008
>“I’ve planted a bomb under this bed that can only be deactivated by the rhythms of us having sex”
This is good but I’m looking for something more manipulative. I’m not looking to be arrested for a false bomb threat in pursuit of physical intimacy.
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>>25359021
you're a whore, a bangmaid
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>>25359008

Are you attractive? Do you find it easy to find guys who don't want kids? How long does it take to come up? Have you ever had an abortion? Do most of your friends also not want them? How do you parents feel if you don't have kids?
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>>25358962
>All genders,
F
>what would your reaction be if your dad came out as transgender?
Of course he is. Not a surprise considering he acts like having a daughter was a massive issue, and only boys was allowed in the house.
>Would you be supportive?
Never. Asshole tried to dress me up as a boy for my entire childhood and along with my mother made sure it took me almost 25 years to feel comfortable with the equipment I was born with, to the point where I went through a lot of phases of wanting to transition. Asshole is not going to come out now and act like it's all fine and dandy.
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>>25358967
Sorry, I don't get it. Are you saying I'm environment friendly?
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>>25359035

Why are there so many angry males on here who get triggered by a woman having a sexual partner?

It takes 2 to have sex, most men have sexual partners too and a body count over 1 or 0. Just because you aren't having sex doesn't mean others aren't.

I will never be shamed for sexual pleasure.
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>>25358989
Kek, loves giving it out, can't handle getting it in return. What a surprise. Fragile guys like you are hilarious.
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>>25358958
>What are some lies to tell women to get sex from them?
"I watched your drink while you were gone. I promise no one spiked it."
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>>25359047
The only reason you say it doesn't matter is because you know it matters xddd
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>>25358980
>Is this going to affect my dating chances.
A bit.
>2) will a childfree woman change her mind once she gets older?
No. Common misconception. Child-free women have thought about it very hard.
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1. Your gender
2. What are you thankful for?
I am thankful for Asian female women
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>>25359054
>"I watched your drink while you were gone. I promise no one spiked it."
Isn’t this super creepy kek I’m loving these ngl. I wanted some big brain tactics but I’m having a good laugh.
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>>25359066
>1. Your gender
>2. What are you thankful for?
M. 3D TV (although it would obviously be a great deal better if they were still making more 3D material).
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>>25359066
M
I’m thankful to still be alive despite actively obsessing about my death since childhood. I’m thankful to be so personable, funny and sexy in my 20s.
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>>25358744
1000% this. So much incel shit is self-fulfilling prophecy. I got my first gf at 32 with no job, a BMI over 60, and on chronic antidepressants. There is literally no excuse for any single man not to be dating.
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>>25359066
>1. Your gender
M
>2. What are you thankful for?
That I've lost 112 pounds in the last 12 months.
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>>25359083
>I got my first gf at 32 with no job, a BMI over 60, and on chronic antidepressants. There is literally no excuse for any single man not to be dating.
Literally how. They say talk to women. I can talk to women with no problem. I can make them laugh, arrange dates all that jazz. They just lose all interest and ghost me eventually. And this is with a job, hobby, physique, grooming, therapy, and fashion.
What did you do, anon? Tell me.
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Women, do you think incels were bullied too much by other guys or not bullied enough? Could bullying have benefitted them in any way?
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I haven't had sex in 8 years. Is that alone actually unhealthy or bad?
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>>25359036
>Are you attractive?
Yes, I think I’m a 7/10 at least
>Do you find it easy to find guys who don't want kids?
I haven’t really asked, since I’m nervous they’ll feel strongly about it
>How long does it take to come up?
Only once so far, and he said he wasn’t thinking that far ahead
>Have you ever had an abortion?
Nope
>Do most of your friends also not want them?
I think so? I haven’t really asked them either, but most are single cat ladies
>How do you parents feel if you don't have kids?
I don’t think they care, because my older sister has kids already, so the pressure of having grandkids isn’t on me
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>>25359097
Not bullied enough. There generally isn't enough bullying today.
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>>25359092
I’m proud of you anon. Bitches may never notice or care, but I am so proud of your commitment to your health.
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>>25359066
F. At least I'm still alive and hot.
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>>25359101
Kek I’ve been bullied all my life and women still don’t want my dick, don’t make assumptions.
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>>25359097
>Could bullying have benefitted them in any way?
Don't be an asshole.
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>>25358962
Figures, his decision to primarily listen to my troon sister about everything.
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>>25359103
Ayy it’s female me, hi five. We’re alive and sexy af. Let’s go us! Gobble fuckin gobble
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>>25359097
I think that bullying is wrong on it's own, and probably a big part of why you guys are often so insecure. You obsess too much about the weirdest things because of what other guys tell you, using the patented "trust me bro" style of argumentation.

I really believe men contribute at least 70% to their own misery before they ever get to interact with a woman and get the last 30% "proven" to them. Incels would not struggle anywhere near as much if other guys didn't constantly beat them down.
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>>25359101
I’m starting to think there’s something too this. Bullying can be excessive and cruel but it can also serve the function of letting annoying people know there are consequences to their behavior and that it won’t be tolerated.
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>>25359109
>Don't be an asshole.
>Be on 4chan
Pick one
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>>25358975
If only this were remotely true.
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>>25359066
F
I’m thankful that none of my family members died from the plague

>>25359097
Maybe not bullying, but a lot of them seem sheltered and unaware of how people interact, so some banter may help

>>25359098
I don’t think it has negative health effects by itself, no
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>>25359098
I haven't had sex in 32. It can depend on your gender. If your a woman, make sure to do gyno checkups, no sex can, apparently, cause problems for some women. I literally have to make sure to stretch myself out a bit every once in a while to avoid certain cramps.

Doubt there are any other potential issues.
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>>25359106
You missed my point, anon.
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>>25359116
>Incels would not struggle anywhere near as much if other guys didn't constantly beat them down.
This is exactly why bullying isn’t the answer.

>>25359121
>Bullying can be excessive and cruel but it can also serve the function of letting annoying people know there are consequences to their behavior and that it won’t be tolerated.
If you think bullying is the only way to show people boundaries and what’s considered acceptable behavior, you may be a part of the problem. Would you not say that bullying is the equivalent to ostracizing?
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>>25359063
Hard enough to mindlessly repeat social propaganda at every opportunity, even
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>>25359130
Bullying doesn’t refine your character. It just makes you hate people.
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>>25358948
unfathomably based
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>>25359095
I consider it a bit of a fluke, basically I think she started crushing on me and it eventually came to a head. I met her in a Facebook shitposting group when I was in a really good place mentally and chatted her up. We became friends but I wasn't that into her at the time. A few years later it just happened all of a sudden. Like we got in a fight and in making up I told her how much she'd hurt me, and that led to some huge outpouring of feelings from her.

It didn't work out in the end, but I got laid and got to experience having a girlfriend. I still am kind of lost when it comes to the part of dating between the first couple dates and getting physical or going steady. But getting dates makes sense to me.
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>>25359066
M.
My wife's hot ass and excellent cooking. My beautiful daughters, who are just so cute and always make me happy. SweetNLow, for being super kind, cute, and sexy. I am very blessed to have all these wonderful girls in my life.
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>>25358912
hi fren. :3
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>>25359121
Men have been saying this for decades while women called them sociopaths and ignored this truth btw
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>>25359149
I’m glad you got to experience that. Thank you for sharing. I’m realizing that dating isn’t easy for a select few, it’s difficult for everyone.
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Does the huge majority of early-mid 20's single women only want casual relationships? Seems like every single girl I meet only wants casual
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>>25359136
>If you think bullying is the only way to show people boundaries and what’s considered acceptable behavior
Oh it isn't the only way, but when you've got a guy that doesn't learn from other forms of peer pressure or correction by elders, what the fuck else are you supposed to do?
>oh it doesn't affect you just let him be him
No. It does affect me to have someone dysfunctional in my community. And I won't let someone persist in destroying himself or debasing my community.
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>>25359160
And men call us insane bitches when we bully other girls. We don’t beat each other up, but it serves the same function.
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>>25359169
You're probably looking in the wrong places.
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>>25359121
>but it can also serve the function of letting annoying people know there are consequences to their behavior and that it won’t be tolerated.
That's not bullying, silly, that's correction. Bullying is when some kid has donkey kong 64 and you already owned donkey kong 64 but that asshole is getting all the attention so you aggressively stalk him for 4 years and sabotage everything about his life and relationships.
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>>25359160
Imagine generalizing both genders like this. Don’t you see how this limits your ability to see people as they are? Kek you don’t care, you just want to be right about something. No matter how miserable that “truth” makes you.
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>>25358627
Yeah i am never opening up to anyone else
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>>25359169
Sorta. It's societal pressure to be promiscuous in your youth plus the fear of scaring off good men (since there's a stereotype that young men just want to fuck around).
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>>25359176
Yeah that may be it. The women I meet are at bars/old friends/dating apps and it is a bit discouraging. Seems like literally every good woman to date has been dating since high school/early college.
Is the church/hobby/social group a meme?
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>>25358365
>>25358405
Kill yourself you disgusting degenerate piece of shit, your parents aren't responsible for your sex life. If I were your dad I'd beat you.
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>>25359170
>what the fuck else are you supposed to do?
Leave. Ghost. Do what women always do these days kek.

>>25359176
This. If you’re finding that you’re running into the “same people”, the issue may just be your perspective or location.
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>>25359186
>Seems like literally every good woman to date has been dating since high school/early college.
Everyone seems to think this, it's really not that true.
>Is the church/hobby/social group a meme?
Not at all. But it's far more effective for the subset of people who also have trouble making friends normally.
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>>25358770
Be honest.
Were you a total absolute bitch?
Or was she just a schizo?
Or both?
>>25358475
Same thing attractive women who don't want to get married (or lifetime-term exclusive coupling of some less official type) have to look forward to:
The grand and liberated life of an empowered woman in the 21st century!
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>>25358627
Kek I’m this but I’ve been burned by women so many times, I question if they actually give a damn about closeness with anyone.
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>>25359202
>The grand and liberated life of an empowered woman in the 21st century!
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Ladies what do you think of what this anon ( >>25358885 ) did? Do you think he is being too beta?
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>>25358475
How unattractive are you really? You’re probably really cool in other ways. I’d definitely date you.
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>>25359169
>Does the huge majority of early-mid 20's single women only want casual relationships? Seems like every single girl I meet only wants casual
No, most of them would like a relationship, it's just that they're not averse to having something more casual while they're waiting for the right guy to come along.
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>>25359248
>while they're waiting for the right guy to come along.
Ah the caveat. They just don’t want a relationship with US. Of course. Should’ve known.
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>>25358547
I don't even understand what the fuck you're talking about besides it being more bullshit about clothes, and I'm already bored.
I will never ever ever know or care about fashion brands or stores that aren't already outdated boomer stuff mentioned in every movie or dumb meme shit like Supreme.
I barely keep track of things like which companies make passably reliable computer hardware which actually affects my life.
I don't care about clothing.
I don't, I just don't, I don't want to suck cock and I don't care about clothing.
Nearly all women's fashion in the west is boring and muted anyways, unless you're wearing some sort of colorful creatively cut dress (in private so it's for my enjoyment not to attract stares from other people), I do not care.
If I do notice I won't know if it's "bespoke" from a designer or something you picked up at a thrift shop or walmart or something.
I don't care about the threadcount and I barely notice anything about the fit, and I will think less of you if it cost a lot of money to get a slightly different bit of cloth.
Finding out a piece of clothing, even a nice one, that a woman got was costly immediately reduces my opinion of her life priorities and intelligence. That's just me of course, many men think differently than me.
It's just been so overpromoted. I'm not a communist or anything and it's your place to spend your money however you please, but it's my place to shrink back in disgust.
I also don't want to pretend to get into fashion or judge other peoples' fashion, because the people I would judge harshly if I "knew better" would be the people who correctly don't care at all about the "competition" to begin with.

Caring about clothing more than a little bit is for me like being a furry or brony or something, except imagine if all media and social media were advertising furry shit all the time.

Men are visual, but not like that. Again this is all just speaking for myself though.
FUCKING CLOTHESFAGS REEEEEE
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>>25359202
>Were you a total absolute bitch?
>Or was she just a schizo?
>Or both?
Definitely both. I had a freakout because they bought my brother drugs that had just put him in a near-death situation and had the doctors say he needed to stop or risk his life, and I acted out a lot. I was 18 and had just seen my brother nearly die, I wasn't being rational and calm, and my mother thought she'd take a stab at my complete lack of ever having had a boyfriend. Might also have made a stab at my lowkey joking that I had a good monster under my bed.
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How can one become the “bad boy” that women want to have sex with regularly? Do I need to commit crimes?
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>>25359248
But are there women who want to keep sex just for relationships?
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>>25359269
Be attractive. Don't take shit from no one.
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I haven’t had sex with an Asian female in over 2 months I am going to die
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>>25359277
>Don't take shit from no one.
Could you elaborate on this? I know that mean that I should stand up for myself and uphold my boundaries but I was wondering if there were specifics that you had in mind that maybe I didn’t think of.
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>>25359231
Jesus that is beta as fuck. Why the fuck should he care if that bitch thinks hes an assshole for ignoring her. This is why he will never get a girlfriend
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>>25359289
Yeah as men, we’re supposed to ignore women all the time and not care if their feelings get hurt. They like getting their feelings hurt anyway. It’s the only way you stand out to them.
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>>25359231
>Ladies what do you think of what this anon
Well, that's a pretty disastrous way to handle rejection (and probably made the girl extremely uncomfortable) but after he's had some more practice at being rejected, I'm sure he'll get better at it. I've been turned down by plenty of guys (and said yes to by quite a few as well). Everyone needs to learn that rejection doesn't really mean anything. You aren't dating a person now; you ask them out; they say no; you still aren't dating them. Nothing has changed, and you're exactly where you were before; so why get upset about it? Move on, find someone else. It's an important life skill.
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>>25359231
It’s a bit cringe but it was done with good intentions. That note basically took him off my potential dating list permanently, but he might be a good friend.
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>>25359275
>But are there women who want to keep sex just for relationships?
Why should they?
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>>25359284
Did you complete your secret mission bro?
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>>25359296
>so why get upset about it?
It’s the belief that they rejected you because there’s something fundamentally wrong with you. Jordan Peterson types push this belief that once you’re “good enough” women stop rejecting you.

>>25359300
>That note basically took him off my potential dating list permanently
Got it, don’t ever profess feelings in a note.
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>>25359303
Because muh pussy belongs to me and me alone, not her even though it’s her body, ME. MINE.
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>>25358561
No fabric has ever bitten me or given me a rash or anything, so I just:
>navigate to the men's section trying not to glance at the weird bra advertisements with models in revealing underwear printed at a child's eye level in the department store
>find a rack that has a cheap price advertised
>thumb through to my size
>look at which colors they have and either think about which color I want for a few seconds or just grab whichever one(s) my hand is already on or near.
>maybe look around again to see if I missed a rack that's $12 instead of $16, or something
>If there is some sort of pattern I look at it for a second to make sure I don't dislike how it looks.
>If there's a design or logo I probably don't get it if there are plain clothes nearby for just a few dollars more.
>If there are short sleeved shirts I usually pick them over long sleeved for same price, regardless of season
>Usually get slacks even if jeans are cheaper, because the seams/buckles of jeans hurt the sking around my waist sometimes if I bend over a lot during work
>if I need socks or underwear, I find the cheapest pack of 6 or 12 that doesn't seem really thin and about to rip at a moment's notice
>if I need a belt I pick a brown or black one that's cheaper than the others
>I want my shoes to be cheap, black or dark colored, flat soles to not hurt my large flat feet, and specially designated as wide so they crush my toes and the sides of my feet less
That's my entire process and all of my thoughts about buying clothing and apparel. In greater detail than most men could write it out, and probably with more preference than the average man (unless bored richfag) has.

Unlike the other anons I'm sure I could easily tell cotton from polyester from wool if I really tried, but like them I don't know or care what my shirt is made out of, I just cut the tags off and rip out their seams so they don't itch my neck. Really why would I care???
>>25358558
Sexual history matters a lot.
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>>25359313
It’s the “whoever dates you will be very lucky” part. To me that sounds like he’s given up completely.
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>>25359300
But he wasn't even on her dating list so it doessnt even matter does it?
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Is it true that the only way to keep a woman is to never ever confess your feelings to her because feelings are a sign of weakness?
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>>25359318
>he decides to still pursue after being rejcted
>omg what a fucking creep leave me alone
>he says whoever gets her as a girlfriend wil be very lucky
>wtf why is he giving up
god women are fucking awful
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>>25359318
Okay so don’t give that defeatist vibe, good point. If I don’t believe that I’m good enough for you, why would you? Valid point.
I guess dudes have this idea that we’re only “good enough” once you decide we are but in reality it’s the opposite.
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>>25359317
I notice you don’t try the clothes on at any point. Women can’t just buy things and leave, since 70% of the time, it’s made for someone with smaller hips, bigger bust, etc.
Getting clothes off the rack that fit you perfectly is a dream come true.
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>>25359261
Street drugs or prescription drugs?
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>>25359260
Thanks for the detailed reply but I mainly dislike cheap clothing places because of ethical reasons not because the price is cheap. So imo a 5 dollar sweater from a thrift store is a better purchase than a 20 dollar sweater from zara for example. I was wondering if guys take notice of clothing purchases in that way.
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>>25359313
>Got it, don’t ever profess feelings in a note.
NTA, but it was worse than that. It's true that you shouldn't express your feelings in a note - confidence is attractive, and if you're too chicken to talk to someone face to face, that immediately makes you look bad. But more importantly he wrote that note *after* she had already rejected him. That put her in a position where she felt obligated to hold his hand and say "there there, it'll be all right" when she probably had no particular desire to do so; and it's bordering on stalker territory to declare your feelings to someone who has already told you they aren't interested in you. It was a very bad move all round.
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>>25359326
No.
Just don't be cringe about it or hurt her with them and you're fine.
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>>25359326
Yes. Talking about feelings is submissive and gives you throat cancer
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>>25359337
Street drugs. They are just only illegal to sell, so not much I could do.
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>>25359338
I generally have a positive view of thrift stores, because buying brand new big-name clothing just seems like a waste of money to me
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>>25359326
>Is it true that the only way to keep a woman is to never ever confess your feelings to her because feelings are a sign of weakness?
Absolute rubbish.
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>>25359309
Yes sir
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>>25359097
I don’t think it has anything to do with bullying or not, I think it is about the parenting.
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>>25359339
So it’s important to listen to her when she says she’s not interested. I think some women I’ve met said that they get interested in guys who take rejection well. This explains why. It shows confidence, a lack of desperation, respect for her and her wishes, all green flags.
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>>25359231
Okay why did she put the note in her purse? Is it giving her some feelings? Or is she just going to laugh at it ater with her friends?
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>>25359363
I completely agree.
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>>25359370
I think that anon was saying that after she said she wasn’t interested, the rest doesn’t matter. Just move on. It’s not worth thinking about.
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>>25359338
Do you actually know that expensive designer clothing is ethically sourced, or do you just assume it must be if it costs an arm and a leg?
Also, is it really unethical to support poor and exploitative child labor countries which would otherwise collapse and erupt into anarchic civil wars probably killing those kids or making them child soldiers?
>>25359334
My mom had me try on clothes when I was a kid. I don't care about things fitting perfectly and have never worn anything fitted to me except for a funeral, and it was hastily fitted in a hurry and nearly choked me out from the neck being too tight.
I buy clothing a size too big for me basically, and wear a belt for the pants.
Men's clothing is in terms of very basic sizes and numbers.
Cheap women's clothing often is too, uses something like "misses" or "babydoll" or wtfever weird name they come up with, and then just like normal/well-endowed/married women sizing.
A lot of times the shirts I'll buy are a little too short for me (unless they one with a T at the end of the size), a little too wide and loose, and/or a little too tight and constrictive around the shoulders. Often pants, even a size too large and loose about the waist and 'relaxed fit', are a little tight on my calves.

But oh well, they're clothes not....something important I want to spend time or money on, I just put them on and go places.

I spend my free time nearly naked or fully naked anyways, because I live alone.
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>>25359066
F
I found a rule34 image of Spider-Man yesterday that I had been looking for for over a year, and I am so happy.
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>>25359370
Throwing it away in front of the poor guy would have been rude
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>>25359379
I just wanna know why she would keep it. If I got a note from a girl I rejected, I'd probably just throw it into the bin after I read it. Is it a woman thing? A sort of trophy of heatbreak?
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>>25359389
You know you're not allowed to say that without sharing the pic.
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>>25359389
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>>25359350
haha what the fuck I would have crippled my own parents over that bullshit how the fuck lmaoooo
seriously glad I had good parents, if I had to grow up around this kind of shit I'd be in jail, I just can't put up with it
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>>25359393
Stop generalizing and let go fr. That’s it. It’s done. She probably threw it out. It doesn’t matter. You cannot know why she kept it, but go ahead be that stalker that can’t move on haha
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>>25358962
F
I would just give him the sad Hank Hill sign and head shake.
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>>25359389
good taste
i would dress up as spiderman for you and flip upside down on a rope and we could 69
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>>25359410
Pro pain
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>>25359392
I don't think I'd care if she threw it away after she read it. For me if I did something like that I'd jut be happy that I got her to at least understand my situation. I guess it also depends on whether she decided to talk to him first or if he waited around.
>>25359408
I'm not that anon numbnuts.
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>>25359415
I think she’s strictly into 2D anon

>inb4 uhhh I-I could flatten myself entirely for you!
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>>25359385
>Also, is it really unethical to
Yes
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>>25359422
>refuses to elaborate further
Based, yet cringe.
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>>25359417
>I'm not that anon numbnuts.
>Why did she keep it? I need to know!
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>>25359421
Don't be ridiculous!
It's much more feasible to simply blind her in one eye, then her whole world can be 2D!
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>>25359334
>it’s made for someone with smaller hips
Is that so bad? Then it fits tightly over your ass and shows it off.
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>>25359430
Yeah being curious about a detail in a story is not some weird thing.
I bet if the genders were reversed you would be gossiping with your girlfriends about it.
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Femanons, what do you want me to say to you when I ask you out?

A) Some indirect bullshit to get the conversation rolling
or
B)Just ask you straight out and get it over with
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>>25359440
>I bet if the genders were reversed you would be gossiping with your girlfriends about it.
I’m a dude numbnuts
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>>25359097
Not bullied enough. Most incels are spoiled manchildren with mommy issues. In a way I think they both lack proper bullying and proper friendships in their lives.
>>25359326
No, that's a recipe for disaster. Always be upfront and honest with your feelings and expect the same from your partner.
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>>25359397
It’s one by magnta
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>>25359441
As a dude, I can tell you that they respond best to specific dates and times and specific activities.
“Hey femanon, I think you’re pretty cool. I wanted to get to know you better. How about we meet up for coffee at 2PM tomorrow?
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>>25359441
A but get to the point eventually.
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>>25359450
>Most incels are spoiled manchildren with mommy issues.
I’m an incel with a job. I was never a child. I adopted adult responsibilities as a child. I do not have obsessions with my mother, I’m just annoyed about being ghosted.
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>>25359365
>So it’s important to listen to her when she says she’s not interested.
Yeah. I mean, quite aside from anything else, remember that *most* women have been sexually assaulted somewhere along the line - often more than once. And actual stalking is common enough that most women will know someone who has been stalked even it hasn't happened to them. Guys who won't take no for an answer are SCARY. I'm not underestimating how difficult dating is for a guy, truly, but at least you don't generally have to worry about a girl attacking you or murdering you. Women actually do have to worry about that. Not being creepy should really be the baseline.
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>>25359231
Okay I guess I should explain myself for some of you. I was going to talk to her face to face but the class was starting and I didn't want to do it via whispers. After she read it I could see her looking at me at the corner of my eye for a bit.
After class I wished her goodluck and went to leave. She caught up to me and started that convo. I know now it was cringe but I felt like a dick for the way I acted the previous day. I'm feeling much better now.
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>>25359370
>Okay why did she put the note in her purse?
Throwing it away in front of him would have hurt his feelings. She waited till he had gone before binning it.
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>>25359448
You dont write like one numale
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>>25359471
Yeah I agree, I don’t expect anything for not being predatory. Even if it didn’t work out and we didn’t have sex, I’m grateful that women have appreciated how I treated them. I don’t care if that makes me a beta cuck.
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>>25359482
Kek so if I have any empathy for women, I’m a bitch? You can’t make this up.
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>>25359441
No bullshit please.
Good taste btw.
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>>25359487
Betacuck
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>>25359482
Better yet, give me an example of how a man is supposed to type haha back in the 90s dudes were calling other dudes gay for learning how to type and code. Ideas of masculinity change over time and the most masculine thing you could do is not give a fuck about what expectations people hold you to.
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>>25359459
This is true of a lot of things. People are lazy and like to be told when to show up.
Asking someone out AND putting the responsibility of planning a date on their shoulders is often too much.
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>>25359498
That’s one thing about failing for so long, it really does teach you.
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>>25359498
Its stressful for some of them to figure out transportation too so might be good idea to mention that in the plans if you can but if you know she drives then dw about it
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>>25359495
I can smell the low t from here jesus christ
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>>25359421
>>25359415
2D is superior, bf Spidey cosplay 69 sounds pretty epic, ngl.
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>>25359535
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>>25359536
Oh shit it worked! I keep forgetting that fems are pervs too.
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>>25359441
A without the bullshit that leads to B
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>>25359437
Alois vibes
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>>25359237
Taller than most men. Been told I look too intimidating for men to ask out. Also have been told that I’m unapproachable. I don’t have a small nose or pretty blue eyes and have really thick curly hair.
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>>25359708
Height is def not an issue, i know tall af girl that id love to date, shes as tall as me and im 6'2



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