What are some fucked up shit that happened behind the scenes during production of anime/manga?
>>237727440I looked at anime boobies in a bookstore once.
>>237727440Didn't Muratas dad die or something ? It certainly explains the lack of soul in his art as of late.
Kishimoto’s wife kicked him out of the house after Naruto’s ending was published.
>>237727893are you serious lmao
>>237727933Not the kicking out of the house part but she was really mad at him. >I almost caused a rift in my own household too, because my wife was very upset also that Naruto didn't get together with Sakura. In fact, she complained quite vehemently to me!https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2015-10-14/masashi-kishimoto-at-new-york-comic-con/.94186
>>237728115Based. And with this decision the most vile degenerate hentai artist grew a heart and started creating wholesome manga.
>>237727867What's so special about it? I think the father of almost every mangaka died at some point.
>>237728115Okay that's hilarious.
Only ones I can think of>yugioh mangaka nearly dying from overwork while ygo was serialized>yabuki divorce drama with his wife and their daughter >kosuke fujishima (oh my goddess) marrying a 20 year old cosplayer after getting her pregnant (he was 52)
>>237728115>spent ages saying in interviews that Sakura is based on his wife and Naruto and Sasuke are based in him and his brother >Naruto gets with another girl who has bigger breasts and a better personality and Sakura gets domestic abuse and neglect What a fucking idiot kek
>>237727440This isn't really behind-the-scene, but there was a guy led to believe he was voicing an original character for Kokoro Connect, when the character never existed. He also never realized this until the middle of an event, where the director and some other people started to make fun of him with vids of his auditions. Can't remove the full event, but pastebin if curioushttps://pastebin.com/EvntSeCV
>>237728713Kishimoto is a CHAD.
>>237728550Yeah but I heard it was pretty recent coenciding with the drop in quality of his recent work.
>>237728671>>kosuke fujishima (oh my goddess) marrying a 20 year old cosplayer after getting her pregnant (he was 52)The fuck? I didn't know about this
>>237728550Well, its a recent death which can affect the psyche tremendously
>>237728550Not everybody can keep powering through after a family death, anon, some people get absolutely fucked by it.
>>237727440That one time where the entire production committee and other VAs bullied a newbie VA and told him he got the role of the MC for months,only to reveal it was a prank and humiliate him on live at last min.
>>237728522>Implying he's not going to make a degenerate version as soon the manga ended and he lost mainstream popularity
>>237728671>kosuke fujishima (oh my goddess) marrying a 20 year old cosplayer after getting her pregnant (he was 52)So? They're both at legal age and consensual. Also Asian man, most of them don't crack
>>237728713Based Kishimioto. Minus point for making that character fat in Boruto
>>237727440Does the Kyoani arson count?
I'm surprised no one mention the circus that is To Love Ru mangaka drama.
The final part of Akira was the result of a drinking session between Otomo and Jodorowsky.
>>237727440Hajime Isayama's old editor murdered his wife
>>237730057>Implying the degenerate version wont be the finale of the seriesHe doesnt know . . . Why do you think he has a gentlemen's pact with all the other degenerates to not draw lewd versions of his series?
>>237730389>this happened the same time the time skip started
>>237730446It all comes together now , doesnt it .
>>237728722That's pretty fucked up.
>>237730612Short version:>Mangaka's wife having an affair>Messy divorce>Mangaka's (now ex) wife sue him for money because one of the character design was based on her (failed btw)>Ex-wife took their daughter with her and demand a shit ton of money if he want his daughter. He finally paid said money and he finally get his daughter back>Manga ended abruptly, only to return with slightly different title but the same content.The longer version is far more sad and infuriating
>>237730770That's fucked, seriously. Why can't good things happen to good people?And by return, you mean TLR: Darkness?
>>237730847Yep. It returned because Mangaka respected the writer enough to continue the series (and maybe to regain money he lost from paying that bitch of an ex wife)
>>237730770God is punishing degenerates who produce such vile genre
>>237727440i remember some stuff about the toriko author trying to hook up with 16 year old prostitute then oda on other helped him get back into shounen jump after that also rurouni kenshin author child porn case that everyone has heard about but with that i remember there being a thing about other authors helping him get back into shounen jump that generally seems to be a thing
>>237730996>God is punishing men for allowing women to have the same rights as them FTFY
>>237731355QRD for the Rurouni Kenshin's author?
>>237731130>aggresive>rude>likes haremsyou're a monkey
>>237731395tale as old as time>caught with literal cheese pizza that he bought before it was illegal>just kinda stuffed it into a corner>probably snitched on by relative>fined and shit and blacklisted probably
>>237731411Literally how were you able to tell anon, pretty impressive deductive powers.
>>237728722Sugita is the best
>>237728722whatever happened afterwards? Did the boycott work?
>>237731450>>probably snitched on by relativeNo, the actual story is stupider. Watsuki wanted to dispose of them in a safe manner that wouldn't get him caught, so he consulted an internet lawyer site. Which got the attention of the police and he got caught. Anyway, he was fined and nothing else happened, he's still drawing manga.
>>237728722Unbelievable. How is he doing these days?
>>237731782That's omega stupid. Why would he get arrested for trying to get rid of it?
It’s common knowledge but the first thing that comes to my mind is Anno making Ogata choke Miyamura within an inch of her life just to make the final scene of End of Evangelion.
>>237731782>Consulting a lawyer>Police is listeningA reminder that Japan's secret agents are actually busy spying on their own people rather than enemy of the states. Also the agency was so bad in doing its job it's considered one of the worst intelligence agency in the world.Also goddamit, what so hard in "Rent a cottage and go alone, then burn said books/CDDVD in the fireplace or bonfire"
>>237731946I think that's just Anno making them do that for his own sick entertainment. I mean he's not right in the head at the time of making EoE
>>237727440Toriyama is based.
>>237727440I guess there's Kosuke Fujishima cheating on his long-time fiancee with some barely legal cosplayer he met on Twitter. He eventually knocked her up and announced a shotgun wedding, which involved unceremoniously cutting ties with the aforementioned fiancee, including haphazardly taking all of his stuff out of his home behind her back and just leaving a note saying that he was splitting up. The whole thing went so poorly that the fiancee sued for damages and the guy has basically been blacklisted in the industry.
>>237732039How is "betraying fans expectations" any different from "subvert expectations" garbage?
>>237732189One stays true to the creative direction of a work while throwing in twists while the other tries to alter its direction for some greater purpose.
>>237732189He actually goes all in to do it. And is serious about it.Vegeta dying horribly for 3 chapters is very different from "lmao Vegata died? see that?"
>>237732039Except he only killed him when he revived him a short while later. Toriyama was even candid about it in that anniversary comic, he was terrified of the reader's wrath.
>>237732012I would not be surprised. Annos’ feelings for Miyamura during production have long been theorized to be passionately ambivalent, like to the point of bipolar. Miyamura apparently liked the man less and less as production continued until he requested her to improvise the final line wherein she finally turned completely revolted. Basically he told her “you’re unconscious. A man Exeter’s the room. He could rape you but he doesn’t. He undresses you and jerks off. Say what comes to your mind.” “Kimochi Warui.” “Yeah. I thought as much.”Basically that’s the moment she decided he was a total creep.The deciding moment for me was when I saw the deleted parallel world live action sequence. The film follows “Asuka” around so closely that it borders on voyeuristic.Interestingly in that segment Asuka is fucking Touji. So each of the three stooges get to fuck Asuka in their own parallel timeline.
>>237732268>Basically he told her “you’re unconscious. A man Exeter’s the room. He could rape you but he doesn’t. He undresses you and jerks off. Say what comes to your mind.” “Kimochi Warui.” “Yeah. I thought as much.”Let's be honest, that was probably a (criminal) confession.
>>237732118Dude already gained millions from milking AMG. Hell, he can make shit ton of AMG doujin if he wants to. Shit, I will pay him to make doujin if I'm rich enough
>>237732263There’s a point when Bikinis stop being swimwear and start just being portable censor bars. There’s that point photographed.
>>237728115Only a cuckhold would make something so awful as Naruto.
>>237732302Doesn't stop Tales fans from being buttmad, though.
>>237731130Lack of father figure.
>>237728522I fucking hate him for it, I wanted more Naked Princess Honoka
>>237732357Why Tales fans mad at him? He only drew artworks for several seriesEven though I'm sad he's not going to draw for new Sakura Taisen series
>>237732267I think he's more scared with editorial and managerial wrath. He doesn't really cares about his readers but managements already lining up merchandise and figurines for Vegeta and Toriyama scared of pissing them off.
>>237732293>>237732268>>237731946Hello, Anno? This is your borderline personality disorder calling.
>>237732039So you're saying reverse psychology work?"Yo Toriyama-san, give more layer of clothing to all female main characters!"
he was a GOD
>>237732118wow that's super fucked up. I didn't know this at all
>>237732515He's just like me 0o0
>>237732189One is about trying to make your work seem intelligent by just doing the opposite of a trope, the other is about making children cry.
>>237732515Alone or with assistants?
>>237727440Act age writer killing his career because he wanted to touch some JC butt.
Ikki Kajiwara famously got in legal trouble because of an incident where he beat the shit out of a Kodansha editor and the trial brought a ton of things to light, including the fact that he had apparently attempted to rape a hostess at one point. He apparently beat his second wife (Taiwanese singer Pai Bing-bing) which is why their marriage was so short.Because of the assault case (and what it brought out) he basically wound up blacklisted with his works sort of damnatio memoriaed until well after his death. Kajiwara grew up in poverty and was a juvenile delinquent (i wouldn't be surprised if he maintained criminal connections into his adult life) so that likely explains a lot of it.Then there's the absolutely batshit case of what happened to his daughter that involved crime syndicates, her kidnapping/rape/murder, police shootouts and foreign diplomats being taken hostage.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Pai_Hsiao-yen
>>237727440Act-Age writer mentioned on one of the Shonen Jump author comment pages that he wanted to buy a bicycle. A few months later he made a follow up comment that he had bought one thanks to the strong sales of Act-Age.Like a year later he was identified as a creep who was riding around on a bicycle and using it to approach and inappropriately touch middle school girls. It was suspected that he may have been doing it for months as multiple girls had reported it happening in the general area. It always involved a man on a bicycle with the timing also coinciding with the Act-Age writer getting his bicycle. He was eventually caught when he groped 2 girls an hour apart from each other, but the police managed to get security footage which was used to identify him. He then confessed to it.If Act-Age didn't sell well, the author wouldn't have gotten his bicycle and groped those middle school girls.
>>237732412He did character designs for some of the most popular games in the series, like Symphonia and Vesperia.
>>237732785>Joe writer was a piece of shitIt can't be true. Did this at least happen after the year 1973? I'm not very good at the separate the art from the artist thing.
>>237732515he had so much raw talent it didnt matter, and would probably have turned out worse if he worked differently
>>237730770>>Ex-wife took their daughter with her and demand a shit ton of money if he want his daughter.How is this even remotely legal, this is a crime is it not?
>>237732943Why are you a faggot? Do you eat cock?
>>237732302Japan is very much an "everyone knows but nobody says" society. It's so common as to be virtually accepted that Japanese men are going to cheat on their wives. But if it actually comes out officially, then it's a huge scandal that can fuck up their career since celebrities and the like are supposed to be moral paragons. some times you can get away with it though, like New Japan Pro Wrestling/Bushiroad helping to cover up Katsuyori Shibata cheating on his wife by claiming that he was simply "receiving gifts from a fan" but that's not as common.
>>237732943He was likely a piece of shit his entire life but the incident with the editor happened in 1983.
>rape>beat upOh so it's literally nothing? Sometimes bitches deserves to be slapped. And rough sex isn't rape.
Is there actually any truth to the Yabuki stuff? Because I've seen it repeated a bunch over the years among English speaking anime fans but I've never actually seen it sourced.
Youka Nitta got caught tracing some of her manga panels from international fashion magazines. When she got called out on it she began to name and shame other BL manga creators who also traced images. That led to multiple BL series getting cancelled. After like a month Youka Nitta admitted to it and issued an apology.
>>237731373Based and corrected-the-retard-that-haves-a-retarted-take pilled
>>237732833That's why you never should buy manga.
>>237732943>I'm not very good at the separate the art from the artist thing.Then the only thing you can do is cope and tell yourself that he was a different person while wriitng manga
What happened to the LiSa stuff? I was offline last month so didn't get to hear any updates
>>237733394Or not be a bitch and care about it
>>237733394That's the plan. He does look like a fucking yakuza though.
>>237733433Didn't her husband cheat on her?
>>237733542Hey faggot? Scared of getting called out? Go back on twitter faggot
If we're bringing voice actors into this, then the Aya Hirano stuff of course. It wasn't JUST that she was "impure" and slutty, it's that she was doing things like going on TV shows to admit that her preference was older guys (i.e. she's probably a gold digger) and that at one point she was dating like three guys at the same time without telling them in order to "get over a bad breakup". She honestly just seems like a shitty person and social climber who thought she was big enough to transition from seiyuu and anison singer to being a legitimate actress/musician/tarento and tried burning her bridges with the people that made her famous to do it.All that really happened was she fucked up her own reputation and the fact she can't really get any acting jobs except in small stage productions indicates that the problem isn't solely butthurt otaku. The stuff with her being a slut came AFTER she'd already more or less called her otaku fans disgusting and was basically the final blow for any chance she ever had of being a mainstream celebrity.
that one author’s wife who he used as an inspiration for a girl in a romance manga cucked him while it was still going in so he rewrites the girl into some whore. Good thing be remarried
>>237732943at least chiba is still based
>>237733608Art can not be separated from the artist, otherwise the art ceases to be.
>>237733700Oh right, and I forgot about the time she lied on twitter claiming a taxi driver tried to kidnap her.
>>237733819>>237733797Shut up fag. That's not even right since cavemen drew paintings and you don't know what caveman drew it now did you. Fucking pseud sjw ESL Europeans American swine. Kill yourself.
>>237733199>browsing through random Wani magazine issue>find a nice oneshot, start looking up if there's any more by this guy>turns out he dropped off the face of the Earth back in 2015 after people caught him tracingWhy even bother drawing manga if you have to resort to tracing? Especially so when your country is known to have turbonerds weaponizing their autism to specifically find people tracing in manga/illustrations.
>>237732785That pic is aesthetic as fuck
>>237733819In the case of Kajiwara, his life experiences 100% have influenced his writing considering how often "rough, anti-social young man from the slums gets involved in the seedy underbelly of Japanese society" is a theme in his works along with his more benign interests in martial arts and pro wrestling. He was buddies with Antonio Inoki and was one of the guys who was setting up his "style vs. style" matches that's taken as the precursor to modern MMA.
>>237732785I felt that Joe persona is he want to try to depict his shit teen life as something positive, with Joe's death as some kind of redemption? But yeah his idealized version doesn't mesh well with his real life. I guess dude got pent up aggression.
>>237730125Kishimoto is almost certainly a closeted architect.
>>237728805Lol no, asian men cracked easier than whites and blacks. I have seen asian men struggling for a morning jog or even walking in his late 20's while others stayed in gym. Even fat whities is still stronger than normal asian men
>>237732896So? It's not like his act ruined those characters.
>>237734272I think you completely misread the content of that post.
>>237731977Just like their police and fast response team lol. The only reason Japan didn't become a shithole like America is the fact it is filled with japanese, average jap cops would commit suicide if he work in America for one week.
>>237734404Sure but the average American weeb can't handle going outside no matter where they are.
>>237731977>A reminder that Japan's secret agents are actually busy spying on their own people rather than enemy of the statesSo......just like every secret agency in the world? CIA and KGB pretty much spent more of their time fighting their citizen than eachother. Meanwhile the fbi, CIA and NSA to busy fighting "alt right terrorist" on internet after giving $1billion worth of weapon to taliban
>>237732268Fuck I miss mentally ill Anno.
Makoto Niwano saved the person in charge of weekly shonen jump from accidentally drowning. As thanks he was allowed to pitch a series for the next round of manga and it would be automatically picked up.He pitched Bomber Girl which was cancelled in 1994 after 11 chapters and is considered one of the worst Shonen Jump manga.
>>237732990Tell that to expats who married Japanese women and then (the Japanese spouse) run away with their kid(s), sometimes asking for ransom, or worse, just disappears never to be seen again.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvWh9hCJ8iQ
>>237728550>People dieYou're lying, stop lying !
>>237733059I call bullshit on that (cheating part)
>>237733819You are a special kind of stupid
>>237728115>Kishi's wife was a filthy NarusakufagHAHAHA I bet she collects Sahara Wataru's doujins
>>237733700It's today year old that I found out about Aya Hirano doing this. No wonder I never heard about her for a long time. I thought she quit
>>237728713Hinata gets neglected too.
>>237734587Damn, imagine if he'd never done that. We never would've gotten that trash and also Bomber Girl wouldn't have existed either.
>>237734464Japanese otakus are even worse desu. But yeah, at least they keep to themselves even if walking in the rain can kill them
>>237732515This man is amazing
>>237734732I think she still has a few legacy roles and a few scattered smaller roles here and there outside of Migi back in 2014.
>>237734516The thing is Japanese intelligent agency still botched that one job (of spying their own people) they pretty much missed Aum Shinrikyo gassing the train. Also I'm not sure if they can check on Chinese spies roaming around Japan.
>>237727440Can't believe no one talked about Manga creator of Zatch Bell was mad after SJ lost the color spread for the cover he punched his desk and broke his hand.
>>237728758666S > Naruto
>>237732515HE IS JUST LIKE ME
>>237730996Based and true
>>237734587The artwork look like hentai artwork. Is the manga also pretty steamy?
>>237728713You think Kishi regularly gets into death matches with his brother?
>>237733875>Thinking cave paintings of whatever made by what is essentially just non-sentient animals compared to modern society is comparable to a entire volume by volume narrativeLaughable. >using the term "sjw" in an unironic fashionHilarious.>>237734702You mind telling me how I'm wrong? If art is something expressed by the artist, then it's just fucking nothing if the artist is not also attached to it.
>>237731878It's basically the equivalent of saying you have marijuana in your house and you want to dispose of it in a state that is illegal. You will be arrested for possession regardless.
>>237727867>what killed the hype?
>>237734954You are laughable. Thanks for confirming.
>>237732118That's fucked up, I hope both him and his roastie get anally raped. He was 50+ so the kid will likely turn out retarded.
>>237734839>Legacy rolesHmmmm lemme check>Lucy Hearfilia>DendeEh, useless characters. At least it's not important characters.
>>237734883That's pretty short drama.
>>237735061Awww someone has no daddy?
>>237735099I agree but you have to remember this was in the early 00's before everyone went to digital and it took him a month to do it. SJ loses that page and has him redo it again less than a week. That would piss anyone off.
>>237731450And Oda is still talking to piece of shit pedo baka
>>237735108I don't know, how would you feel having the only dad in his 60s in elementary school?
>>237733700I will give her that otaku are disgusting for the most part.
>>237735291Imagine the teacher's wondering how this drooling child can be born with a concave skull and crippled legs, and then they meet his geriatric father on parent-teacher day. Kek.
>>237734959But why would I be arrested if marijuana was legal at the time I bought it?
>>237735010>No argumentWe are done here.
>>237733894Drawing is hard and deadlines are tight. I think some of these mangaka come in to the industry so young or without technical education for art and then don't have time to learn when they're forced to have an intense production schedule. Happens in the US too.
>>237735485I'm not pondering the physical deformities and disabilities here. I'm just talking about the social implications of parental age gaps like that. When that kid grows up and learns his family history, it's gonna fuck up his entire value system. He's gonna see his father as a skeevy douchebag who ruined not one, but TWO relationships with his past significant others with adultery. Remember, Fujishima already had an ex-wife and kid while he was still dating his ex-fiancee. He's now broken two homes with his skirt chasing.
>>237735496>you'll arrested for POSSESSION>hurr durr when i bought it it was legalwhat the fuck? are you mentally challenged?
>>237734604>my mail order wife and child disappeared after we had difficulties in our marriage. N-no officer I definitely did not murder her, she u-uhhhh uhhhhhhhhhhhh ran away haha
>>237735496There was an amnesty period so people could get rid of their stuff without getting in trouble. That period had already ended when watsuki's stuff happened.
>>237735485>born with a concave skull and crippled legsit doesn't work like that irl, sperm gets produced on constant basis without damaged DNA, female eggs keep rotting for decades, hence why they get damaged DNA the longer they sitpoint is: it's normal to be an old dad
>>237733819this is truedeath to this death of the author garbage
>>237735586You sjw NPCs say the same thing someone calls you out for being retarded huh
I don't know if you'd consider it "fucked up" but Miyamoto Yukihiro, the director for a lot of shaft anime, was homeless for the entire broadcast of Zoku SZS and lived out of the studio's warehouse.
>>237735770>sperm gets produced on constant basis without damaged DNAdon't think that's how it works, especially if older cells under go meiosis
>>237735770>he actually believes sperm quality doesn't decline>there are actually people who graduated high school and unironically believe thisTopkek. Stay on /pol/ bro, you'll be doing everyone around you a favor.
>>237735891>he actually believes sperm quality doesn't declineit does, it gets harder to conceive, it's not about birth defects and we pointed out that he did in fact conceive a child, therefore your argument goes straight into a shitter, stay mad
>>237732268kek so he was fantsaising about her being gangraped by the team? and somehow made it to the anime in a convoluted way? Holy based and 4d storytelling
togashi's back got hurt
>>237735770>sperm gets produced on constant basis without damaged DNAAre you really trying to lie about factual science on this mongolian basket weaving forum? This is how you easily spot the basement-dwelling anons who never studied a day in their lives.
>>237730770Yabuki is a master of erotism but her wife is the master of sucking other guys dicks.
>>237727440Don't search about the writer of Ashita no Joe
>>237736008Fortunately you can guarantee his type will never reproduce, that's why he relies on meme science. The gene pool is saved.
>>237736008it is you who's lying, by implying that the kid would be having some sort of defects outright, when it cannot be farther from the true
>>237735653>already had an ex-wife and kid while he was still dating his ex-fiancee. He's now broken two homes with his skirt chasing.Damn that's really fucked up, I didn't know that.
>>237736047And that is why I never feel guilt about supporting the death penalty. May father and daughter rest in peace together. The mother is among the strongest people I have ever seen.
>>237727440People working themselves to death used to be extremely common with the demands publishers put on the authors. During the bubble economy of the 70s and 80s workloads were insane. Nowadays its rough, but not like it used to where mangaka were expected to be working on a few different works at a time for a publisher.
>>237736062you berate a person when he has sex and ends up having a child, thank god ywn have sex, no need to worry about your own children being retarded, you are safu
>>237735864Why he's homeless if he had a job?
>>237728713The common unbased retard.
>>237732189You can betray and subvert whatever you want as long as you make it good and it makes sense
>>237734203joe isn't really his personal worknot even tiger maskit's the baseball mangadude was indeed struggling with his broken aggressive impulses and he felt guilty about them from time to time but he got worse as he aged
>>237732660He seemed to rely heavily on assistants and reusing bits and pieces of his drawings.
>>237732943Ikki was a thug pretty much. One with a good talent for writing and able to bring out sensitivity in it, but he was a rough and tumble asshole.>>237733797Chiba was a hippie. Quite the duo.
>>237732943I guess the saying that people get drawn to what they lack is true
>>237732118>>237733059That's bullshit. Fujishima isn't blacklisted, he's just old. AMG ended in 2014 and he married the cosplayer in 2016. About Tales and Sakura Wars, both franchises wanted a revamp because Tales had economical issues with Xillia and a huge meltdown with Zestiria while Sakura Wars wanted a fresh start for a new generation of waifufags. The industry hire literal rapists and pedophiles so Fujishima's shit is literally nothing
>>237733819I fairly agree with this. Beyond corporate art bullshit, art and the artist might as well be the same thing. The art is an extension of the artist and represents their inner thoughts, values, and ideas. Separating them is either justification for ignoring your dislike of one, or a way to force your own interpretation onto whatever is written.
>>237731450He didn't get blacklisted nor got sent to jail. He was given a fine and they continued with the production of the final two Kenshin live action movies and there is a Rurouni Kenshin anime remake planned.
>>237736180That series was a ride. It starts out as what seems to be an autobiographical series with an amusing tone and by the end it's more of a sober and heartfelt tribute to his deceased and otherwise forgotten buddies who he broke into the industry with.
>>237735807>No argumentAlso anyone who says "sjw" is a moron not worth the oxygen they breath.
>>237736402>About Tales and Sakura Wars, both franchises wanted a revamp because Tales had economical issues with Xillia and a huge meltdown with Zestiria while Sakura Wars wanted a fresh start for a new generation of waifufags.I'm not denying that there was other mismanagement in the franchises he was involved with, but his personal life definitely impacted his career prospects and public reputation. You know you've fucked up if your ex-fiancee sues you for damages over how you handled your breakup with her. Especially when that breakup involved a cosplayer side bitch who's 30 years younger than you.
>>237736483Ironic coming from an sjw.
>>237736574How is that ironic?
>>237731873Very well. He married a beautiful fellow seiyuu and they have a darling baby together. This is in addition to literally EVERYONE who knows about this incident having his back.
>>237736593That you'd think a sjw (aka you) has anything to say when you go full woman core and put emotions over rational thinking.
>>237736523>cosplayer side bitch who's 30 years younger than youWas it worth it? I mean, was the bitch at least hot?
>>237732990>>237734604Also arent fathers in japanese custody cases almost always fucked?
>>237736471Its pretty interesting. He's naming names of authors that were pretty big back in the day and talking about his lives with them, but like you said, they're practically forgotten even in Japan these days. Time's like that, huh?
>>237731130lmao faggot don't you have a father or a grandfather to teach you stuffyou ain't no man
>>237736718Idk man, nothing can justify cheating in two separate marriages.
>>237736619The guys who pulled that prank are living good lives too when they shouldn't be
>>237736718I don't know. Imagine yourself being in your 50s and engaging in pillow talk with your zoomer wife that consists almost entirely of her showing you memes on TikTok and anime pictures on Twitter.
>>237736619>EVERYONE who knows about this incident having his backI recall reading about Sugita giving the guy the silent treatment at an event and saying something about not tolerating the shit that was pulled.
>>237737045Sorry, I meant in regards to the asshole who did the "prank"
>>237731355Nah he got with a prostitute then later it was revealed that she was underage. In all fairness she could have lied about her age
>>237731782Yeah that's pretty retarded. Reminds me of that one reddit guy. There's some info you just don't share
I am 100% sure that Naoko physically and mentally abuses her husband which is the real reason behind why Togashi takes long hiatuses. Everything she says oozes double-speak like that of an abuser. One day there will enough evidence, because abusers always slip up more and more.
>>237736523Again, that's literal nothing compared to the shit other mangakas get away with. Fujishima just got old and probably doesn't have it anymore. He just want to live retired with his waifu
>>237736638>and put emotions over rational thinkingand where the fuck do you think you are?
>>237737852Sorry. Didn't know liking anime makes me a faggot? Damn guess I really don't like anime after all.
>>237737892>Didn't know liking anime makes me a faggotWell you are a faggot but doubtful on you liking anime
>>237730057it was already degenerate in the original version
>>237737892It automatically makes you a faggot.
>>237737702Are you the Takeuchi-hater anon? Dude, you need to stop. Speculating about shit this big is seriously fucked up. Don't be a rumour-spreader, you sound like a petty twitter user.
>>237736523The only title that could be affected by the scandal was that Belldandy OL spin-off and that crap ran until last year
>>237728805This is actually true. Nigga was married and had a mistress and left both for the cosplayer. Cosplayer has a kid with him now. Read some the interviews, he isn;t the typically Japanese basedboy
>>237734883Fucking kek what a loser
>>237727440Many employees from Mushi Productions literally died on their desks
>>237731130Kek, the MC of To Love-Ru is a complete faggot. So if this is the series that made a man out of you I can only imagine how much of a bitchmade fuck you are.
>>237738123That's professionals losing what is pretty much a finished piece of traditional art. That shit takes time. I'd be pissed too.
>>237738086That's more typical than westerners thinkhttps://japaninsides.com/japanese-man-lives-with-2-wives-although-polygamy-is-illegal-in-japan/In any case, the anomally here would be that otakus like Fujishima can only get laid by paying hostesses or harassing assistants
>>237736217It doesn't fucking pay that's why
>>237738025I don't post on /a/ very often so I don't know who you're talking about, but I'm 100% sure something is going on. The only thing that would convince me otherwise at this point is a video of them together without the body language of an abusive relationship.
>>237732039>>237732263How can one man be so based?
>>237738086Also he may or may not sleep with Naoko Takeuchi>Mamoru is basically Sailor Earth>Fujishima wears an Earth shirtCoincidence?
>>237738203I feel bad for him but imagining the situation makes me laugh>seethe with anger>punch desk>AAIIIIEEEEEEEE MY WRIST
>>237738312This is a thread for things that actually happened. Get your cancel culture "I have no proof, but I think ..." bullshit out of here.
>>237738454I'm not sure that's how he broke his hand. Dude loves his motorcycles.
>>237732268It's an open secret that Anno stalked Noriko Hidaka. Reminder that if Noriko Hidaka reciprocated Anno's feelings, Eva would never exist.
>>237738504it wasn't because they lost his shit (but that's what he sued them over) it's because he kept making mistakes while working which is arguably stupiderbut he's broken is leg multiple times because of his motorcycle love, yeah
>>237737656coulda came to the chon and be just another /b/tard with somewhere anonymous to vent, instead the normal world chewed him the fuck outbrutal
>>237737656>pedo got the ropAnd the world is balanced again.
>>237733700This is a big COPE. My girl Aya got over that shit do hard you incels are gonna seethe for eternity.>Casted on nippon variety shows>Works in stages>Voices Disney characters>Voices Dende in DB. >Eternal Lucy VA.She's way too talented to just be an Anime VA, you fangs believe being a famous VA is the best job ever when they barely can maintain themselves unless you are Goku's granny VA or Nana Mizuki. Anime VA's get payed pennies, and then you have to live under the eyes of filthy anime Otaku peasants. My girl Aya sucked cock like no one, and got away with it because her career has grown outside the Otaku realm, and she's still a legend on that business, and the 2019 Avex show proved that. So Cope, seethe and kill yourselves.
>>237728671That last one is fine.
>>237737656I am 99% sure this story is fake, like 50% of these reddit posts. If not, I am just happy there is a bigger retard than (me), so upvote
>>237738702>arguably stupiderDoing it out of pure stress and frustration is more understandable to me than doing it out of pure rage, definitely wasn't thinking straight. Thanks for the clarification
>>237739033If you read more of the details the thread provided, it is not fine.
>>237732943Kill yourself you underage plebbitor
>>237736725Yeap. The video also show a guy whose job is to deal with this bullshit, less of a lawyer and more like mercenary.
>>237732660>>237736286He's only ever had one assistant
>>237738312>but I'm 100% sure something is going onDude, you sound like 50 something gossipy aunty who love to spread rumors because your life is boring and your mlm scheme don't make you rich like they promised
>>237728722>>237737045Ichiki was a guest on Tomokazu Sugita's radio show that often discussed video games, or "anigera". A keen listener sent in a letter regarding Ichiki and the "prank." Sugita got curious and asked Ichiki to tell the entire story. While Sugita is usually very chatty and jovial, but during this entire story, Sugita was very quiet and patiently listened to it all. At the very end Sugita said, "If it were me I would remember the face of everyone there forever". Sugita is a very popular voice actor, among VAs he has the highest number of followers on Twitter. At a recent Namco Bandai Live webcast about video games, Sugita was a guest along side Terashima: >Sugita, after seating down, gets as far away from Terushima as possible. >He maintains his distance throughout the show. >Sugita does not glance at Terushima one bit during the show. >Terushima talks to Sugita but is ignored >While they're playing games, Sugita does not talk to him >Sugita: (Something about 00Gundam). Terushima laughs but is ignored >Sugita: (Something about signing). Again Terushima laughs but is ignored again. >Sugita: [BUSHUUU~~] Terushima: [At the end that's it? lol] Sugita: *Ignores Terushima* >Terushima does a body touch, Sugita completely ignores him.
>>237738527Anno face is always punchableNoriko looks like "I tolerate this because I got paid. But I'm leaving when this is done"
>>237728671yugioh mangaka had his bag stolen while playing pachinko on a research trip to Egypt and the thief was never found and the bag contained some story plots and manuscripts for the last arc of the manga so he had to do it again, that's why Kaiba's Blue Eyes obsession was never fully expanded upon as much as he wanted.
>>237737702His back was fucked even before he ended YuYuHakusho, like more than one time his assistants found him on the floor duw to his back pain when they came to work.
>>237727440besides mangaka being regularly worked to death?
>>237736217I think the situation was just bad for him at the time. Even after finding a place to live supposedly he still sleeps in the warehouse from time to time because he doesn't like it at home
>>237732263>Guy so full of sexual energy he ogled at big Australian tits with her wife on the side
>>237740208He could've said his dog ate his manuscripts and it would sound as believable.
>>237740280Does Toriyama count as being worked to death if he regularly procrastinated until like 2 days before the deadline and quickly pulled off a chapter by just doing some quick overnighters?
>>237733199Actual literal retard here. What's the problem with tracing? What's the difference between tracing and using a reference?I mean, when you're tracing you are transforming the source material somewhat, right? Is it just that it's hacky?
>>237740714he was the exception
>>237739030There's moving on and then there's completely going scorched earth. She did everything she could to shit on and piss off her old fans because she thought she was better than them and better than being a seiyuu. Then she proceeded to go on variety shows and brag about what a slut she was. When you're sleeping with multiple members of your band or admitting that you were dating multiple guys at once without telling any of them that you were sleeping around, you look like a massively unlikable asshole. She wanted to be a tarento and a real actress. Do you think some butthurt otaku have the power to stop her from getting booked on variety shows or getting cast in real live action stuff?No, of course they don't. So presumably the rest of the mainstream entertainment industry in Japan looked at her and thought the same thing and thought it wasn't worth having her around so now she's stuck doing stage plays because she destroyed her reputation.
>>237740743while everyone understands that references are essential in creating accurate work it's generally frowned upon to genuinely copy the exact lines and publish it as your own work. you can think of it like this, if you were publishing a report and part of your findings were possible because of foundation laid by someone else that's standard practice, but if you were publishing a report that relied heavily on the findings of someone else and you made no attempt to distinguish their work from yours and published it under your name as your work, that's plagiarism
>>237740743>What's the difference between tracing and using a reference?The idea behind using a reference is that you study the form of whatever it is you want to draw. You want to be able to imagine in your mind how the object will look and work from different angles, whether it's a car or a fish or a person moving their arm around. The problem with tracing a picture is that you're not really learning anything about the form, so if you're expected to draw it from a different angle, there's a strong likelihood you use another picture to trace and it'll look radically different from whatever you traced before. It becomes habit-forming.
>>237740208>Pachinko>EgyptI make better lies than that.
>>237733700>>237740918What she did was fucked up and wrong and people are free to judge her and people can of course refuse to work with her. I do think there's a double standard regarding scandals like these though. Men in Japanese showbiz (the guys from Gaki no Tsukai come to mind, but there are many more) get caught cheating all the time and their careers often remain intact.
>>237733199>Youka Nitta Case of tracingI don't get it in this case, many famous artist reference and pretty much reuse the same poses and stuff for manga all the time, some are so heavily reliant are pretty much a 1:1 homage/parody. The thing is that most of them pretty much didn't hide it. Inoue's case also is pretty famous regarding NBA images used for Slam Dunk, or Hirohiko Araki doing Jojo poses, so I ask, why were they so reviled? is it because of yaoi?
>>237741096Yup, look at LiSA's husband getting his roles back after his fake seppuku for sympathy act
>>237741096I mean Holywood also protect rapists and pedos all the time. The only reason someone lost their position is because that someone don't have any friend to protect him anymore.I mean look at Ezra Miller. Dude literally assaulted several women and break into a house and what Warner Bros said? "Oh at least he doesn't kill someone" we all knew the reason Ezra still around because he's spokeperson for trannies and WB use him for diversity hire.
>>237741222Yeah, I think this is bullshit. A little tracing don't hurt that much. Gantz literally use photograph of buildings and only alter it a bit with photoshop. My guess is because the readers are women they tend to escalate it to ridiculous level because majority of women hate it when other women are successful and willing to do anything to knock em down a peg.
>>237741265ahh turbovirgins and blaming trans ppl for everything, name a more predictable combination...
>>237741265>assaults multiple women>um akshully use "they" for ezraIt's always funny to see how quickly their priorities switch
>>237734587>Bomber GirlOn the plus side, he was a mentor to Takeshi Obata, and his Deltora Quest manga was succesful enough to warrant an anime
>>237741222Because tracing+shaming. Some can get away with that like Togashi
>>237741368>Gantz literally use photograph of buildings and only alter it a bit with photoshop.Not the same.
>>237728115He's clearly talking in a jokingly manner you fucking idiots. Only you faggots take this shit seriously.
>>237741222In this case it's probably because it was a niche manga. A smash hit like Slam Dunk or Jojo is going to have more normalfags that don't give a shit about tracing than a yaoi manga targeted towards otaku women.>>237741368More like women seem more concerned with artistic integrity in general. They're the ones who get assmad about not crediting art or stealing ideas, see the original OC donut steel deviantart shit.
>>237741096Japanese scandals tend to just blow over for the most part. You're in the spotlight for a little bit and people make fun of you but if you lay low for a while you end up getting jobs again.
>>237734587This sounds like a load of bullshit or at least the way it's framed is misleading at best. Not only was he a well-established author in WSJ, he went on to have his longest WSJ series the following year. Bomber Girl is considered one of the worst Shonen Jump manga by English critics based on the small pool that have been translated to English two decades ago. You can't even read it in English now unless you go buy the out-of-print volumes. In Japan it has gotten multiple sequels. Though I did see Japanese fans bitching at the most recent volume of his latest series due to it being an abrupt ending or something for health reasons.
>>237740590>>237741069Whoops, silly me, I mixed up some stories. He had his bag stolen while playing pachinko during pre DM Yugioh, and unrelated to the theft during the last arc he fell ill and had to cut it and the Kaiba blue eyes connection short. He did went to Egypt a couple times but nothing happened there.
>>237741222Literally everyone is completely hypocritical on this. Takehiko Inoue is considered one of the greatest artists of all time for tracing yet a popular shojo mangaka literally got the full scorched Earth treatment of all her works being permanently taken out of print because she did some tracing of Slam Dunk. It's so fucking retarded.
>>237732268wtf I didnt know Anno was anime Jodorowsky
>>237741411Shut up tourist. Wish tumblr still exist to contain people like you.
>>237738527Stalked? Like for real?Look at her eyes. They are begging for help. Might be true.
>>237741540The same, it's even lazier because they don't give a single shit.
>>237732833I STILL can't believe he threw away what had the potential to be the next BIG ONE just so he could do something so fucking stupid, the man was getting sponsorships and branding deals out the ass along with live plays and this was without an anime announcement something that an insane amount of Mangaka would kill for and he destroyed all of that just to mess with teens, peak Bozo Moment
>>237741652>artistic integrityIf they care that damn much, stop reading manga and buy Van Gogh or Picasso
>>237732012>>237732268Yeah. Anno is weird. Check out the interview he did with Matsumoto.
>>237741678If you hang around in /vt/, autists still sperg about Rushia until now.
>>237741943>Takehiko Inoue>tracingYou wish faggot
>>237742063I miss it so much. Fuck that pedo faggot.
>>237742039No. You're wrong at many levels. Watch manben with asano for example. 99% of them are using own photos too.
>>237732833That's tragic. Poor girls. Also kinda funny.
I mean, it's probably more funny than anything, but didn't the director of Gurren Lagann's episode 4 get so much shit for the bad animation he quit?
>>237742120He did for some of his most famous shots and everyone who ever gets taken down for tracing does so for just doing it once or twice. Nobody is ever talking about tracing entire books, that's just called publishing something that doesn't belong to you.
>>237727440There was once this really popular VA, that was pretty much the second-coming of Nana Mizuki, Megumi Hayashiabara, etc., but she decided to throw it all away by dissing her fans for being virigins. Now, she can't even get any new roles. I think her name was Aya Basedrano
>>237742204You mean literal tracing or copying 1:1? Because those are not the same things.
>>237742229>Calling Aya based>Nothing based in throwing away her money maker and stuck working at konbini store getting shit minimum pay or working in soapland, throwing away most of her integrity
>>237727440Kemono Friends drama that made Kadokawa rush adaptation the adaptation of Index 3 to calm down the fans
>>237742072It's not that deep. They're just more pedantic about what's considered dishonest in art.>>237742192To be fair, Gantz really was lazy. Oku used traced 3d models for everything on top of the photobashed backgrounds, the guy did as little drawing as he could get away with. Asano is a different story and an example of photobashing done right.
>>237742320While stupid, I do have to admit she had a lot of balls to do what she did. Most VAs wouldn't even dare to do that.
>>237740217His back is fucked because won't stop ridding him anon...
>>237742098There is a massive difference between scandals blowing over for the industry and for the fans. Otaku will hold on to shit longer than that person is even alive
>>237742268Tracing and copying are the same thing but different technology, analog vs. digital. You probably mean the difference between tracing and using reference material but this line is never actually agreed on and is completely arbitrary. It's all based on if there's backlash from the right fans, there's no actual principle the outrage. Either everything you do should be banned or nobody gives a fuck and praises your art.
>Tracing and copying are the same thingJesus Christ. Don't post this shit ever again.
>>237742361Just want to add to Oku's laziness, while Toriyama only has 1 assistant, Oku employed an army of assistants. Toriyama and Oku both made manga for WEEKLY publication. The only positive point for Gantz is that it gave me boner far more often than DB and DBZ.
>>237742489You clearly don't understand what tracing is. A tracing done well will look identical to a photocopy.
>>237741368>>237741652>getting upset that an artist didn't simply reference but traced while claming otherwise is a woman thing/a/ has some of the stupidest takes I've ever seen on this site.
>>237742498They are also completely different styles of art and level of detail and different page count although Gantz did take plenty of breaks so it wasn't even that weekly. You don't necessarily know what the assistants were doing that Toriyama would have done. The rise of assistants led to the rise in production value of manga, a lot of what assistants do is that extra background stuff that old manga don't have.
>You clearly don't understand what tracing is>"Tracing and copying are the same thing "The absolute state.No. They're not the same as copying is actual skill. If they were the same thing you would be the best artist in the world right now who can cop everything 1:1. Don't reply to me. You don't know what you're talking about
>>237733819>>237735789>>237736413I'll preface this by saying I've never read any of Ikki's works before. But if I may way in on this topic anyway, if I like something and find out the creator to be a dubious fellow I don't immediately discard it. Not because I think that works are separate from the creator or something like that. But because I think rejecting all ideas or things you like beforehand just because the person presenting them has a less pleasing side to them is silly. That'd essentially be like rejecting animal right laws just because Hitler pushed for them.
>>237741959If Anno would only drop as much acid as Jodorowski maybe he’ll lighten up.
>>237742583>Claiming it's only /a/ thingAnon, I knew some women don't want to wear the same dress twice because her girl friends will throw snide remarks at her. While the boys were like "You wore the same dress twice? I didn't notice that. Want to get some taco?"
>>237742640Using a photocopier is not a skill, sorry you are retarded.
>>237742696ok cool anecdote
>>237742696that has genuinely nothing to fucking do with your conversation, you are retarded
>>237740743I dunno, manga artists even use photographed images put through a few filters to use as backgrounds all the time.
>>237742603Do you even read DB/DBZ? The details for backgrounds are insane! Meanwhile Gantz can't even draw skyscrapers properly.
>>237742700Don't reply to me. You don't know what you're talking about
>>237742460>Tracing and copying are the same thingTracing != eyeballing != referencing
>>237742729>>237742742You two sounds like you never have female friends in your life
>>237742650Don't bother explaining this to retards, everyone who loves art separates the art from the artist in the sense they love art from all sorts of people whose views and lives they despise. But they also understand it just takes those sorts of people to make that art in the first place. This art from the artist bullshit is based on the modern phenomenon of not wanting an artist to profit off their art if they are a person you want to see destitute. Ikki can't profit off you, he died before you were born. Act-Age's author can't profit off you, his works are literally banned from being sold to prevent him from making a cent. Buying Hitler's works funds some kike shit.
>>237742696You sound like you were anally raped by some women to a point where you're having hallucinations
>>237742777What a non-sequitur. Unless you are suggesting copying = eyeballing/referencing.
>>237740714toriyama has unbelievable talent
>>237742816you sounds like a retard
>>237742749I'm not defending Gantz specifically, just pointing out you are way overselling Dragon Ball and/or misunderstanding what assistants do.
>>237742696>ESLYou're the same retard upthread making up scientific "facts" aren't you kek
>>237742818You say this but you would probably never read a manga that you would theoretically like if it was written by a troon. You're hypocritical.
>>237742851You immediately using insult because you know what I said is true.
>>237739806Interesting, I'd have expected him to have a small army.
>>237742908>>237742917Also jumping into insults because deep down you know I'm telling the truth
>>237742955That is the most absurd claim I've ever heard, I've loved art by trannies since way before you were into them. I probably wouldn't like any art by people from your generation but that's just because I'm old and it's hard for me to relate to things that came after me whereas I love exploring things that came before me because I can see the end results.
>>237741222Using reference photos is not the same as tracing artwork.
>>237743032Congrats you're one of the few non-hypocrites on /a/
>>237742818Even when I look at and appreciate art made by people I hate, I don't separate it from them. Accepting art as being the product of a human is a key part of interpreting and appreciating it. Trying to divorce it from the creator is removing half the piece from existence.
>>237743062It is if you trace the reference photo.
>>237742955>you're hypocritical because i made something up about youfuck off retard.
>>237742871If you have the reference on hand and you're copying it by looking at it before drawing, then looking at it againt before drawing some more, that's 'eyeballing'. Referencing is just having the reference and trying to break down how the form works. Tracing is just putting your paper over the picture and drawing directly
>>237743130It's true for 90% of /a/ posters who still support watsuki, shimabukuro, suzuki and so on. They'll separate and refuse to separate when its convenient.
>>237743121That's not what anyone is talking about these days when they say "separate art from the artist." What they are actually saying is "you can like Harry Potter while disliking JK Rowling for whatever view of hers makes you mad."
>>237739852Wasn't there a bit where /a/ thought another seiyuu was in on the prank and started harassing her/sending her dick pics?
>>237740918>She did everything she could to shit on and piss off her old fansGood, fuck idolfags. I hope at least ten died from a heart attack alone.
>>237734711I don't give a shit about the romance in shounen and I was neither in favor of Sakura nor Hinata. I was still pissed off because it felt like Kishimoto changed his mind on who should end up with Naruto like 5 times throughout the span of the series and gave all the romantic interactions and romance development to Sakura until he changed his mind again and made him end up with Hinata who had been left in the dust since pre-time skip (Pain sacrifice aside).Like, post time skip, he really REALLY tried hard to push for NaruSaku, with even other characters such as Sai straight up saying that Sakura actually loves Naruto but doesn't realize it. Sakura herself came multiple times to this realization while watching Naruto suffer. But at the end Kishimoto decided that Sakura should end up with Sasuke otherwise he would end up alone, so he started building up Hinata's romance again during the final arc which was pretty fucking late at this point so all the romance was shoved into a movie instead. A movie that pretty much felt like an asspull and not natural at all.
>>237742749Drawing skyscrapers properly in realistic setting means you need to do all perspective manually with rulers. And they need to be accurate to reality otherwise you will notice incorrect perspective. It's insanely time consuming. This is why industrial design relies on 3D. Even though industrial designers/Architects are trained to be so accurate they can do sketches in perspective very accurate by the hand. This is why you see things like tanks/planes/cars are being CGI.
>>237743202How would you even know? Posters here are anonymous, you can't tell if the same people are having conflicting opinions unless they're directly in the same post.
>>237736471I'm never gonna forget the phone call he blew off only to find out his friend an heroed the next day
>>237742912I'm not overselling. Look at this from just one panel of DB
>>237743259This. Can you imagine the sweaty entitled subhumans she probably had to stare at every day
>>237743134But when people are judging the end-result, nobody cares about the process, they measure how similar the lines are. Nobody accepts the answer that "I'm just really good at eyeballing". In the end what everyone really wants is tracing but with enough lines erased and subtly changed to justify it as a new work. If you actually look at the stuff people get cancelled for, it also involves changing bits to fit the context. It's not evident without watching how they made it to see why some authors are applauded and others are cancelled. When people wanted to cancel Toyotaro they were measuring how closely the lines he drew were similar to this pose from something else, nobody cared that all the fine details were changed, the pose was too similar. But at the same time the guy only has a career because he so specifically mimicks the artstyles of other authors which is what everyone wants.
>In the end what everyone really wants is tracingYou should post this in /ic/Free (You)s. Try it.
>>237740743You're not drawing something on your own, you're tracing. Every artist uses references but actual tracing is considered poor form. Especially if you're caught swiping from another artist like Chihayafuru's author whose first series was cancelled when people realized she was tracing pages from Slam Dunk.
What if you take a photograph of somebody doing the specific action pose you want, and then you trace that image, but then redraw the clothes, weapons, features of your character etc?
>>237742583Could've phrased it better but I didn't mean it as a negative, just that I (anecdotally) noticed women seem to care more about honest art, or at the very least speak up about it more.>>237743202People are biased towards media they like. If they found out first thing that Watsuki had pizza or about the Act-Age author's bicycle thing they likely wouldn't have bothered either unless Ruruoni Kenshin or Act-Age looked *really* appealing to them. /v/ example but the people who liked Celeste didn't stop liking it after the dev became a tranny, but people who don't like trannies wouldn't be as inclined to play it knowing about the retcon first.
>>237730125that's not how you spell bonus, numbnuts
>>237727440my favorite mangaka has decided that being a lazy neet piece of shit is more fun than updating his work and he hides behind the veil of being sick. it’s pretty divisive as many fans just give him a free pass and go on the attack when someone calls his bullshit out. i’m not mad about it, i think it’s funny and i’d do the same if i were him, but i don’t like the grandstanding that some people do by making excuses for him.
>>237740918t. Butthurt fat OtakuLMAO faggot, her career is going up. She nails Disney roles now like with Encanto. She doesn't give any fucks about what you retards think. Stay butthurt forever, her raw talent is carrying her hard. Cope. Now you wanna talk about someone that fucked up her career? Look at Minori Chihara, Yuki's VA. Put all her coins on her singer career, press found out she had an affair with a married man for 6 years, her label dropped her and she's not getting any work. That's the real blunder. My gal Aya was having fun riding the cock carrousel and walked away from that stupid business and still lands jobs. The real queen.>>237743259Ultra based, this faggots deserve the rope.
>>237743350>But when people are judging the end-result, nobody cares about the process, they measure how similar the lines are. Nobody accepts the answer that "I'm just really good at eyeballing".Artists who trace are often poor liars too.Artists who are good liars generally gravitate to the top of art cliques, since their goal is less about 'improving as an artist' and more 'gaining social clout and leverage over the introverts'People looking to 'cancel' others often don't care about context, like you said - there's an agenda there where an artist makes them mad, and they're more likely to hunt for that artist's head than someone who's more amiable but does more heinous shit
>>237743468Traced poses are kinda recognizable. You probably noticed them to sometimes. They looks "off". Like a photo. Static.
>>237743468That's valid assuming the cloth physics [folds, draping fabric] and new features make sense. The idea is you need a quick refresher on the pose, but you still understand how the underlying form works to be able to convincingly draw the features wrapping around it
>>237742098>If you hang around in /vt/Why the absolute fuck would anyone do that
>>237742997>doesn't deny itHilarious, at least we know there aren't two separate braindead ESLs ITT.
>>237743062at this point, no one references. they trace and add anime bug eyes. doukichan shit is literally traced instathotts with couple minutes paint over and people eat it up. some go little extra mile with blender work ups like prison school guy, but majority literally trace everything, usually 3d models posed in clip studio.
>>237733700Piggy-backing on this for VA-related scandals:The VA for Carly Nagisa in Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's, Li-mei Chiang, was found to have been a member of the Roma Sophia sex cult which was under investigation by police at the time. So she was fired from the production and the staff rewrote the script to neuter the occult plot elements from the series and nuke her character's entire season-long development as well as the confession/romance with one of the main MCs. Over 10 years later, I haven't forgotten it still hurts.
>>237743226Sure, but you can't say, "Rowling's word and intention has no meaning as to interpreting this piece". And when you read HP you have to understand it as a product of Rowling and her ideals and person. Not try and make it your own and put whatever words in the books' mouth that you want.
>>237742072whats the difference between manga and a van gogh?
>>237743823art vs entertainment
>>237743628>doukichan Not tracing.>some go little extra mile with blender work ups like prison school guyHis process not exact 1:1 trace are more like base.
>>237743840and what's the difference between art vs entertainment?
>>237743858I know it when I see it.
>>237743320I can't tell if you're trolling or not.
>>237743282sai never said that retard
>>237742650>But because I think rejecting all ideas or things you like beforehand just because the person presenting them has a less pleasing side to them is silly.I am the original poster. I agree somewhat, but when you look at the actions and beliefs from a creator that seem morally dubious and notice how it bleeds into their work, it just makes you seem ignorant if you ignore it. It puts the work into a whole new light when you learn of the artist who made it.
>>237737187What kind of manga does he draw
>>237743505Hunter x Hunter mangaka?
>>237743468This is what some artists do and it's fine because you legally own the image. Assuming the ethical violation of tracing is stealing rather than laziness or lack of skill.
>>237743890That’s not what I said, please don’t put words in my mouth it’s very disingenuous.
>>237743968when did i said you said that? but if you cant define the difference, then its just a difference in your mind, not in reality
>>237743922I'm glad you asked
>>237743945Yeah. Not really “fucked up” and more just “it personally annoys me”. He seems like a decent and happy, if lazy, guy.
>>237743522I checked IMDB and Aya Hirano DON'T have voice acting role in Encanto. WTF are you talking about?Her roles are legacy role like Dende or Lucy. No new job for her
>>237743921You could just use the art to inform your view of the artist like appreciators of art have always done instead of the reverse which is completely impractical and inherently limiting you to not appreciate art for art's sake.
>>237743998>if you can’t define the differenceNo. Words and language are constructions off man, and as a result have flaws and limits. Certain things exist beyond our capability to neatly wrap them up in concrete terms, and at the end of the day words are either just sounds or symbols which stand in place of the real thing, depending on whether it’s written or spoken. My inability to communicate something does not supercede its existence.
>>237743573Fun for dramafag. So many sperg threads to troll
>>237744093a lot of bullshit typed but nothing meaningful actually conveyed. try again. whats the difference between art and entertainment?
>>237743594I just love that you ignore our debate so you can autistically zoom focused on esl insult. Why don't you go back to /pol/ and stay there.
>>237744122Neither my fault nor problem that you’re too slow to understand.
>>237744150>>237744112>>237744078>>237744039>>237743999How did he find a wife?
>>237743631Japanese are fucking terrified with cults since Aum attack anon. Even Christianity and Islam got scrutinized in Japan for a while after that attack.
>>237744176Neither my fault nor problem that you’re too slow to explain your reasoning.
>>237743921I never said I ignore it, I just don't disregard the art as a whole. I take everything into account, the good and the bad.
>>237743889Oh shut up, you don't know good art even when it's pretty much glued to your face.
>>237744215More plz btw
>>237744195kekakw. I’ve already explained it but it want to your satisfaction. It’s not my job to explain things in a way you like. Further, you want me to engage this debate starting from your own fundamental assumptions, which are severely flawed. Why don’t you answer this: Why do you think that everything which exists can be accurately and concretely defined by an imperfect construction such as language?
>>237744195nta, but you're retarded if you can't understand what he said. He just said there are concepts that are hard to put into words, but just because you can't put them into words doesn't mean they don't exist.
>>237732785Any1 got the leaked pic? I tried to lookf for it but suck at it
>>237744323>I know it when I see it.is not an explanation, its a bullshit "rationalization" you made to avoid having to actually define your point>Why do you think that everything which exists can be accurately and concretely defined by an imperfect construction such as language?flawed assumption>>237744330or it can also mean that he doesn't actually know the difference so he will determine that difference ad hoc. which is not objective
What exactly did Aya say to piss off otaku fans?
>>237744287Ty for the gap metirial anon. I will use it at once
>>237744372Define “objective“ in the context of defining something, please.
>>237744461Why do you think that everything which exists can be accurately and concretely defined by an imperfect construction such as language?
>>237744395They're stinky virgins. Truth hurts I guess.
KUBO loves his life
>>237733894Tracing is used all the time in manga. Mangaka or their assistants usually take their own photos, and in the digital era there are programs like doll design and CSP with 3D models.
>>237744473I don’t, but you seem to so I’m playing along for your sake. You know this already, so stop deleting or concede.
>>237742955>>237743202There's plenty of people that like HxH and CSM on here even though the authors are pro-tranny
>>237744378Anymore of this?
>>237744522concede what? you still havent given a difference between art and entertainment. im waiting for your response thats not just your headcanon
>>237729187Kokoro connect VA's?
>>237744078>Mob faceIt's nice that they start using those words and not gonk face
>>237743522>her raw talentwhere is this claim coming from?
>>237744034>If it's not in IMDB it doesn't existGoogle it you stupid retard. Love how she succeeding makes you doomfags seethe.
>>237744553I’ve answered to the best of my ability given the circumstances and the medium of communication used here. The fact that you don’t like my answer doesn’t change the fact that one was offered. If I submitted an assignment and the teacher docked me points for not liking my answer, I have still submitted the assignment regardless. Stop being disingenuous and defend your own point of view. If you can’t, that’s ok too but please just let me know.
>>237742955Lemme guess, you're a troon right? Only troon using this argument because some of you are fucking obsessed with being the victim. The moment someone said the T word you guys are jumping in and yell "Oh woe is me, victim of society. Please give me validation by telling good stuff about me, me me me me ME!"
>>237741411>Talking about Ezra using his privilege to get away with crime>Immediately use the T card because troons can't get enough of being a victim and looking for validationStory as old as time
>>237744724>I know it when I see it.if that's to the best of your ability, your ability is sorely lacking, as is your argument. given that, i can only conclude that you have no way to meaningfully say that art is distinct from entertainment>defend your own point of viewwhat is my view? all I've done is ask questions
>>237743505Why assume this when you know nothing about the guy and his situation? That actually sounds like you being mad at him for not delivering chapters.
>>237744699>So hated in Japan she had to find job in western companies like DisneyIs that really something you can be proud of?
>>237744839>you have no way to meaningfully say that art is distinct from entertainmentYes, that’s pretty much the cliff notes of what I’ve been saying. Again, my lack of ability does not mean it doesn’t exist. I can’t do trigonometry but the concepts therein still exist. You seem to be of the opinion that we can correctly define everything, and I’ve been asking you to back that claim up, and you have failed to do so consistently.
>>237736180>People working themselves to death used to be extremely common with the demands publishers put on the authors. During the bubble economy of the 70s and 80s workloads were insaneExhibit A: Hisashi Eguchi & Stop! Hibari-kun! ('83~'84)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop!!_Hibari-kun!>Eguchi had often rushed when drawing his earlier manga Susume!! Pirates (すすめ!!パイレーツ), but starting with Stop!! Hibari-kun!, he raised the standards he held for his art and began taking more time to draw the chapters. In addition, Eguchi was very particular about the appearance of his manuscripts, so he never used white-out to correct any drawing errors because he disliked how it looked. As the serialization continued, Eguchi found it increasingly difficult to keep up a weekly pace for the chapters, leading him to take frequent hiatuses and later say that "drawing weekly isn't something humans can do." Furthermore, the editor-in-chief of Weekly Shōnen Jump at the time, Shigeo Nishimura, refused his request to release the chapters every other week. When it came time to draw what would end up being the last serialized chapter, Eguchi completed the chapter's storyboard, but ultimately submitted only about two-thirds of the chapter, leaving out the last five pages. After he submitted the chapter's manuscript, Eguchi fled to a hotel and secluded himself for a day, only coming out after Nishimura called him to say that he could not deal with him anymore on a weekly basis. As a result, Eguchi abandoned the serialization and the editorial department decided to discontinue the series.I also heard the editor of WSJ at the time, Tadashi Nagano(?) despised gag manga and wanted them out of the publication which meant Hibari-kun was on thin-ice from the start (even though it ran concurrently with mega-hit Dr. SLUMP).
>>237745030>Again, my lack of ability does not mean it doesn’t existand your claim of it existing doesnt mean it does. hence the defense you've failed to adequately provide. if you cant define it so that anyone can understand, why should anyone believe that the difference exists?
>>237732833>>237742063>>237742156Even worse was that some people actually blamed the girls for the series getting canned. I'll honestly never forgive the fucking moron. I loved act age so much. How stupid can you be to throw away what was essentially printed gold all to touch up some girls. Jesus. We'll never get another series like act age.
>>237745063Ah, it was Nishimura not Nagano but the point about not wanting total comedy serializations stands.
>>237734254>I have seen asian men struggling for a morning jog or even walking in his late 20's Cause you live in America>while others stayed in gym.>while some othersfixed it.
>>237743740What does that have to do with anything I said?
>>237728671I remember reading that Makuhari author, Kita Yasuaki, was acquainted with Takahashi, and he really hated early Yu-Gi-Oh, so to help his pal he gave him some manga for inspiration, including Kaiji. Which is why Duelist Kingdom has the boat and stars.
>>237745084What you believe is up to you, but if you choose to only accept things you can neatly define you’ll only be limiting yourself.
>>237745316why should i believe you and not myself?also why are you using bullshit arguments to make manga seem lowbrow?
>>237736180>seven boxes of smokes per dayNot packets of 20, right? Right?
>>237745362Why does someone potentially seeing manga as low brow bother you so much?
>>237745658why does manga being high brow bother you so much?
There was some Theater/Performance/Idol(?) manga that I saw being posted on the board last year quite frequently and eventually there was a day when there were a ton of posts in the catalog about it being axed because the writer had taken a bike and basically rode around and groped some girls(?) My memory isn't perfect but that is essentially what happened.
>>237732833>>237742063>>237745099Every brilliant writer has their vice. For some it's drinking, for others it's the casino or smoking—for him it was groping hebes. Tale as old as time, gambler loses it all to chase the next high, and we're left to wonder at the why. What could compel a man to throw it all away, for the meager rush of a single moment? What unholy logic weights a stable future against the glorious, golden present, and favors the former? Perhaps this need for thrill was part of his genius. Perhaps his writing tettered on a knife's edge, as did his hobby—maybe, one could not exist without the other. Regardless of outcome, for the simple fact that he dared to risk it all, he deserves respect. I will always be grateful for the piece of art that he created, bright as it burned—however short the flame lasted. This man, was a real artist. Not some sissy corporate faggot chained by rules, shackled by politically-correct herd mentality. This was a man who chased after what he wanted, what he knew his heart desired—and burned because of it. Who knows what heights his craft would have attained, had he won his gamble?Hope you can find success as a ghostwriter, Matsuki. Disgraced as you might be, fallen from glory as you've become, be proud. Loser at the gambling table you might be, always know that you partook. Have pride in the fact that at least, you dared to play.
>>237745863lol bike cuck
>>237745863Ironic shitposting is still shitposting
>>237745863I have a lot of love for his work and would support him again in a heartbeat but the fact that he has indicated no desire to finish the work and it's not clear he ever will does cast doubt on the claim that he actually is a real artist. The more cynical takes on him seem to indicate he was only ever intending this to be a stepping stone for his real passion.
>>237745949>he has indicated no desire to finish the workwhere
>>237745949>his real passiongroping middle school girls while riding his bike?
>>237745251I don't know how true that is but that author is famous for being controversial. I doubt he and Kaz are friends but I could be wrong, they did share an editor and the author of Makuhari claims that because he was cancelled over his controversies that this saved Kaz from being cancelled for being unpopular due to their sharing an editor.
>>237746012He wanted to be a screenplay writer or some shit, he actually wanted to be in the industry the manga was about, it doesn't seem the manga was his passion.>>237745988Exactly.
>>237745863You will write this cope essay and then turn around and blame the girls. Hypocrites like you need to be put in a firing range.
>>237745099I mean you either have to blame the girls or the unjust system (setting aside the true blame that falls on the artist and the editors). If you just take the legal side and not the publishing side, then either the girls were wrong for pushing the issue and not seeking a just resolution or the system was wrong for forcibly escalating the issue because of their autistic desire to trample over justice as long as they keep their on-paper conviction record unblemished. Even if we accepted that eye-for-an-eye is a good legal principle as you crazy fucks seem to, this was the writer taking an eye and in return the government slaughtering his family. It's completely disproportionate.
>>237743468Rotoscoped anime looks like shit, so I imagine such manga wouldn't differ.
>>237746215>setting aside the true blame that falls on the artist and the editorswhen did they grope the girls?>then either the girls were wrong for pushing the issue and not seeking a just resolution or the system was wrong for forcibly escalating the issue because of their autistic desire to trample over justice as long as they keep their on-paper conviction record unblemishedor matsuki was wrong for groping middle schoolers
>>237731130Based, To love Ru is the pinnacle of a young boys life
>>237746215You could put this inane babbling to use if you pursed an English writing degree desu
>>237730227the manga or the anime
>>237746215>>237745863not reading any of this but if that pedo retard didn’t grope children this wouldn’t have happened
How bad is the work life balance for popular mangakas? It seems like they're stressed all the time.
>>237728713Kishimoto san, I kneel
>>237746392Really awful for anyone releasing weekly chapters, more tolerable for those who release once or twice a month. Famous artists have more leverage to come up with less hectic work schedules with their publishers.
>>237746294Nowhere was it implied that groping the girls wasn't a crime in need of punishment but please, do try to formulate an original thought next time.
>>237731450rurouni kenshin got an exposition/retrospective and several sj mangakas made fanart for it like a year ago, man walked away pretty much scot-free.also don't forget to mention that the guy had so much of the stuff that the police thought he was distributing.
>>237746462It has nothing to do with frequency, it's all on the artists themselves and their individual personality flaws and unhealthy habits. Some people fall apart constantly without ever publishing anything and others publish weekly or even multiple weekly franchises and have no stress over it.
>>237746542Assigning blame to unrelated parties or the victims is partly absolving blame from the perpetrator. Please, do try to not victim blame and not sound like a pretentious faggot.
>>237746555He did get successfully blacklisted and cancelled abroad. So he's not entirely free of it.
>>237745863>Hope you can find success as a ghostwriter, Matsuki. Disgraced as you might be, fallen from glory as you've become, be proud. Loser at the gambling table you might be, always know that you partook. Have pride in the fact that at least, you dared to play.You have to be the biggest faggot I've ever had the displeasure of meeting.
>>237746630But you were talking about blame for the series getting canned, not blame for groping the girls. Stop conflating multiple issues so you can put all the blame on one person and avoid actuall ysolving any problems with the justice system or society in general.
>>237746215>I mean you either have to blame the girlsNo? The girls did nothing wrong.
>>237746723It's the same issue, the groping led to the series getting canned. No company would want to deal with a liability unless there is a substantial tradeoff. In this case, it wasn't worth it to keep him onboard. The issue with the justice system is unrelated. He did a crime, go caught, and suffered consequences. Simple as that.
>>237737656go to a priest instead, they are unable to tell anybody what you confess
>>237728550>What's so special about it? I think the father of almost every mangaka died at some point.Not true. Tezuka's father still lives under the floorboards of his house, as does his grandfather, his great-grandfather, and so on.There's a family gathering under there that no one wants to go to.
>>237746723If he didn't go on his bike and grope the girls, would the series have been cancelled? Yes or no?
>>237746759If you assume the justice system is corrupt, then you can argue they did nothing wrong but even then it's debatable. If you report your neighbor for smoking pot knowing he'll get publicly executed, are you really innocent? In this case the best excuse for the girls is ignorance, that they didn't know the consequences of their actions. But that doesn't make them right, just mistaken.
I saw some article on how Yoko Takahashi's royalties for A Cruel Angel's Thesis were stolen by some foreigner, but I'm not sure how real the story is.https://comicbook.com/anime/news/neon-genesis-evangelion-anime-theme-song-royalties/
>>237746831Allowing themselves to be groped with no consequence for the groper is not right, so not reporting it is not a just answer
>>237746800That factor in a vacuum, obviously the answer is objectively no. As it continued after the incident in question supposedly happened.
>>237746841Yoko was the singer, not the writer. Read your own article
>>237746858You really are working hard to pretend to be retarded. I don't know why it's so hard for you to grasp that just because someone in the sidewalk pushing you over because they are in a hurry is wrong doesn't mean in return it's right for you to pull out a gun and shoot them in the back.
>>237732263Is that fucking Angela White on the bottom-left of that group photo?
>>237732012He's still not quite right in the head. Just look at the fucker and his unkempt facial hair
>>237746919You really are working hard to pretend to be retarded. I don't know why it's so hard for you to grasp that making absurd analogies to correlate a concept to a real life situation where that analogy doesn't work is not a real argument.
>>237746776You admit the company and justice system is at fault but still want to whitewash any responsibility they have.
>>237742201Sort of but not really. It was actually a GAINAX executive that quit over the negative reception for the episode, while the guy who actually directed the episode remained in the industry until his death, to the point where he pissed off the otaku community all over again with the episode he contributed for Dororo.
>>237746859>the answer is objectively noYou said it yourself. All responsibility is on him.
>>237746993He didn't get 10 years, what the fuck did you want, for him to walk free with no penalty?
>>237746979So now using actual 1:1 scenarios that happen in the real world to show your hypocrisy is absurd? All you have to do is admit you think the shooter is in the right and I'd accept we differ on morality but you avoid any discussion about the real-world implications of any of this to feign moral outrage instead.
>>237747019Learn English, I said based on his actions alone the series would objectively have not been cancelled since it literally wasn't cancelled based on his actions. His role in the whole hubbub that caused the cancellation ended quite a while before the cancellation itself came about.
>>237747086How many times do you hear of someone getting shot for pushing someone on the sidewalk? Where do you live, burgerstan?And what hypocrisy? Did you want Matsuki to not receive punishment for committing a crime? In the case, your analogy is apt, because the the shooter should not get punished
>>237746886True, I attribute the song to the singer a lot of the time. Sorry about that.
The retard deserved to get his series cancelled for being an idiot and I'm glad his retarded actions were made a public example of what not to do to random people. Just go to a soapland, for fucks sake
>>237737187he's got such a weird sense of humor, i kinda wish he would stick to humor
>>237734883Wasn't that the main reason the anime never got to the end of the Faudo arc and instead went for an original ending? I finished reading the manga last week and I heard they went anime-original around the time the author broke his hand.
>>237746886She wrote the lyrics
>>237747025Nowhere was that suggested at all. You have to take these situations individually and in this one there are many possible solutions but the simplest one that is still extreme enough to satiate the mob would have been a certain portion of profit from his Act-Age royalties would go to some agreed upon other source (up to a reasonable maximum dollar limit of course). The excuse people make here is that he still would have been blacklisted by everyone and maybe that's true but at least then it wouldn't be the justice system that was corrupt but the social system.
>>237741265>not liking Ezra when he’s basically a real life anime villainactual pleb
>>237747290The decision is up to the company. Again, they didn't see it worth their resources to keep him on. If he had more clout then maybe but he didn't. Stop trying to absolve him.
>>237747169I probably would have once agreed with your extremist views but I just don't see them as practical. I get it's fun to think people forfeit their life every time they slightly wrong you but that could and would be turned on you pretty quickly.
>>237747361What extremist views? You're basically advocating that Matsuki should not have faced any consequence for groping middle schoolers
>>237747290Please never breed. We have to move genetic defects like you from the gene pool.
>>237747319I'm sorry for not supporting your belief that two wrongs make a right.
>>237746963But now he's rich enough to pay prostitute to wear plugsuit skinsuit and fuck them
>>237747391You support one wrong makes a right
>>237747387You think maximum punishment can be applied to minor crime. That's extremist shit. At least people who advocate the death penalty generally reserve it for extreme crimes but you don't even think that's enough. Lethal injections for the jaywalkers too I guess.
>>237747471Getting his manga cancelled isn't max punishment. It's a common sense business decision for cutting loses from a risky asset>At least people who advocate the death penalty generally reserve it for extreme crimes>equating getting your manga canned to death penaltyschizo
>>237747312Holy shit those reddit comments. Plebbit really love celebrity worship huh
>>237746923Gianna Michaels is also in it.
>>237747433That is generally how the justice system historically operated yes. When it wrongs you, its case against you is invalidated.
>>237747528You're saying we should be allowed to grope middle schoolers and not face consequences
>>237747520Let's pretend that's true, that the manga was cancelled as a common sense business decision. History disagrees with this, WSJ's history explicitly disagrees with this. But let's pretend in this case it is true, would you be okay if they brought him back to finish it in a couple years or if some other publisher did? As that is historically what has happened in these scenarios. If you are okay with that, then what exactly is the principle you are arguing for here? That people should make irrational and harmful decisions in the moment and go back on them later when the damage has already been done?
>>237747675>History disagrees with this, WSJ's history explicitly disagrees with this.Where's the context? what history are you saying disagrees with this and what are the circumstances around those decisions?>what exactly is the principle you are arguing for here?What exactly is the principle you are arguing for here? that we should be allowed to grope middle schoolers with no consequence?
>>237745715>>237745658Both of you awnser the damn question at the same time. Otherwise this isn't getting anywhere. And >>237745715Stop trying to intentionally derail the convo. This is interesting.
>>237747567We should not be punished for anything beyond the crimes we committed, yes. Lynchings are bad.
>>237747750>Stop trying to intentionally derail the convowhy the fuck are you butting in if you don't even know what's in the reply chain. retard?>>237747754You're saying we should be allowed to grope middle schoolers and not face consequences
>>237745863Why does everyone like his manga? What does it have and why is it so special ;p.
Why are pretentious faggots usually pedo-hebe-apologists?
>>237747791I mean I am not butting in. I just don't see how replying a question with a question helps in the argument. Even so why not just voice your opinion and use a proper structure on an argument. If he fails to disprove it or nitpicks it consider the convo ended. This is a cowardly way of talking. despite agreeing with you I must protest.
>>237747985>I mean I am not butting in. I just don't see how replying a question with a question helps in the argument.It's called the Socratic method>Even so why not just voice your opinion and use a proper structure on an argument. If he fails to disprove it or nitpicks it consider the convo ended.Because first I want to understand where that anon stands or if that anon is simply bullshitting>despite agreeing with you I must protest.methinks you doth protest too much
>>237747747WSJ has a history of making irrational decisions over controversies in its past, abruptly cancelling popular manga due to real-world controversy. By now they know these were not good business decisions or moral decisions since they ultimately go back on them and restore the works years later. Even if Act-Age ends up being the exception and until it falls into public domain it is permanently banned from ever being published again, there's no evidence this decision was made on good moral principle or rational business sense and tons of evidence to the contrary. This same mindset has led to all sorts of irrational blacklisting and banning of media and media figures in Japan. This is a common and infamous Japanese practice, this situation is not special in that regard.You are handwaving all the wrongs done in the Japanese justice system and social system just to justify the punishment of a single man which either means you think this one man is so evil that good guiding principles are irrelevant in his one special case or you just don't know or care anything about the larger context and just want to appear virtuous by repeating what everyone else says the right opinion is.
>>237747922Nothing else to do while dwelling in the basement
>>237747791I wish you would rethink your support of lynching. It's possible you're too set in your ways but I suspect if you actually thought through your position you'd see the flaws.
>>237747675Off topic, but I keep interpreting WSJ as Wall Street Journal rather than Weekly Shonen Jump and it gave me a nice chuckle.
>>237747922People here defend hebes and lolis, I don't really know of anyone outside of twitter and jewish media who defends pedos. Nice conflation though, I hope they pay you an extra penny for that post.
>>237748078>there's no evidence this decision was made on good moral principle or rational business sense and tons of evidence to the contrary.Unless you're privy to their reasoning, you cannot assert this and be taken seriously>You are handwaving all the wrongs done in the Japanese justice systemHim getting canned by WSJ is not a Japanese justice system decision>and social systemDid he think that people wouldn't react badly once this incident came to light?>just want to appear virtuous by repeating what everyone else says the right opinion isI don't give a fuck about other peoples' opinion. The fact is, he made a fuck up and he was dropped. Maybe next time he won't grope middle schoolers and avoid controversey>>237748125I wish you would rethink your support of groping middle schoolers. It's possible you're too set in your ways but I suspect if you actually thought through your position you'd see the flaws.
>>237748178>I don't really know of anyone outside of twitter and jewish media who defends pedos.white people are all secretly jews?
>>237747231I think so. It was delayed by two months because of that fact. There is jokes in Japan about it. Especially when he came back again.
>>237748031I mean in the end the awnser of what is art and what is entertainment is fairly easy. Both are not States that cancel each other. Thus we can call art something that conveys emotions and stems from the manias of a man's being. Such manias that don't awnser to logic and try to find a way to convey the unexplainable. Since the end result can be used for entertainment of a 3rd party with out cancelling the entent it can thus me determined that the two can coexist. The beauty of the art form is of no matter since it is subject to the man that view's it.
>>237748031Anyway I would not call your method of philosophy socratic in any way since you at point just awnser with empty questions to arguments that hold no ground rather than explaining why they hold no ground followed up by a question.
>>237748271what the fuck is this word soup
>>237748327you didnt even know that i was using socratic method and now you have the audacity to claim I'm doing it incorrectly? foh
>>237734973>His dad's name was hype
>>237748182Wow, so brave. I'm glad groping middle schoolers is the worst crime imaginable, something so heinous you had to throw all principles and reason out the window just to pretend you care about it. I'm glad there aren't even worse scenarios possible than this one in our world or you'd have no answers for those.
>>237748366I mean I claim not that I know more than you not the opposite. All I claim is that you did not use the method in this convo. If you did. Do explain to me how this whole convo can be considered so.
>>237748422Wow, so brave. I'm glad groping middle schoolers is the best action imaginable, something so wonderful you had to throw all principles and reason out the window just to pretend you care about it. I'm glad there aren't even betterscenarios possible than this one in our world or you'd have no answers for those.>>237748436But you didn't even know what I was doing earlier, so I don't buy that bullshit, not to mention it's irrelevant. Again, if you don't understand the reply chain, fuck off
>>237748221Who said anything about secretly? They're generally quite open about it, it's the playing both fields that is the point of contention, not the hiding of their Jewishness.
>>237748466I didn't realize the US and Europe were jewish lands. Guess everything else is muslim
>>237748480You're going a bit hard with your obtuseness, it's unfortunately cancelling out your good quality bait earlier.
>>237748221People of color can be pedo too y'know.
>>237748530you're the one claiming that majorly christian media is actually jewish>>237748539so can jews
>>237748459i mean i read it. it is by no means rocket sience.To say for some way i misread it is idiotic.I still belive that your claimed use of socratic dialogue is unfounded.
>>237748459You really should just stick to twitter, I'm not sure how you got here but it's clear you aren't capable of using the site for anything that is even beneficial to yourself unless your masturbating to this. In which case, there are better boards for your kind.
>>237748557fuck mistyped science
>>237748422>>237748459Guys guys calm down. How about we take the middle path. Let put the series on hiatus while the guy did his prison time, then make sure he's rehabilitated, then bring back the series again.Remember, prison is supposed to rehabilitate people so they can go rejoin the population and become a useful member of society again.
>>237738180Lel the pic for their headquarters on wikipedia looks like a third-world studio for outsourced work
>>237748636i mean socialy he willbe shuned for life. But i don't see how it matters in the grander picture.It is mearly a manga in a sea of others. it will be forgoten with time and others will take it's place.
>>237748555Please stop being so presumptuous next time and say what you're upset about. I wasn't giving the Jewish servant class a pass. I was defending the people here, not your dad.
>>237748700who cares about the jews though ;p.
>>237748636I've proposed this many times and they still won't agree because they don't believe in rehabilitative justice. What you described is literally what happened to the Kenshin author in Japan, his works are still blacklisted outside of Japan.
>>237748689Yeah, but isn't that the cause of repeat offenders?>Prisoners got rehabilitated and become a free man/woman>Trying to join the society again>Said society reject them because criminal record>No job>Ended up doing crime again because they're hungryIs it really fair? Also that dude is first time offenderA perverted fool but he's not a rapistPsychiatric can help him reformBut society already branded him as a pariah
>>237747521To be fair Ezra is probably like Ted Bundy levels of charming and fooled them good
>>237748763Are you sure? I remember they already translated his manga in English and live action Kenshin movies were pretty big hit in most of Asian market.
>>237746668>AbroadOh no not the Twitter trannies! How can he live now that they're upset at him!lmao who the fuck cares
Before this thread is dead, I just want to say that OP is all about yabs in manganime industry but in the end it became a huge fight about tracing.
>>237748854well nothing is to be done. Since such are the norms and they can't be changed and as i have heard jappan is a bit more conservetive in that regard it is what it is. Norms change by them selves so to worry by that with out a heavy mind is needless .
>>237748906The Kenshin manga is still ongoing in Japan, it was dropped in English years ago and never again picked up.
>>237732833I guess he shouldn't have ACTed on his impulse to grope under-AGEd girls then!