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But
Why does the chainsaw have so much power?
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>>237691151
The devils are strong based on people fear of them and everyone is scared that chainsaws will erase you from existence
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Chainsaws aren't that scary
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idk it looks cool
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>>237691177
But there are tons way more scary things like spiders or black people
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>>237691151
Because asspull and cant have a Shonen MC without being the overpowered
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>>237691225
Black people and spiders only eat you, they don't erase you from existence
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>>237691177
That's the dumbest part about the worldbuilding in this series. I could think of 10 other things that people are more scared of than fucking chainsaw
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>>237691257
But chainsaws only cut you up into bits and are tools to take down trees?
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>>237691262
wow we got a tough guy over here
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>>237691257
>black people devil
fujimoto does it again
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>>237691151
Because he ate God Devil's flesh, just like Santa got immunity in the dark due to eating a piece of Darkness, I'm pretty sure this answer was a slip up from Fujimoto and it's related to why the Chainsaw Devil got that power.
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>>237691225
The black devil must be crazy strong when you think about it
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>>237691151
Because this manga is badly written and riddled with asspulls and plot convenienced
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>>237691151
Because of pic related
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>>237691611
dubs confirm
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>>237691305
There isn't one single black person in CSM.
That's because Chainsaw Man ate the Nigger Devil.
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>>237691151
Why's the art in this series look so amateurish compared to the author's previous work Fire Punch?
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>>237691262
He’s not strong because people are scared of chainsaws. He’s strong because demons are scared of him.
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>>237691151
my cope is that chainsaw man is not the chainsaw devil, but the devil born of fear the devil used to feel for the chainsaw devil, and now he keeps devouring devils, which in turn makes him even more feared and powerful.
Or maybe he fused with chainsaaw devil or something, either way, it's definitely not the chainsaw devil
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>>237691939
Which is completely bullshit because the people who stopped fearing CSM in return weakened him. Yet Makima states in another panel that Devils' fear gave him this power. So which is it now?
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>>237692003
It’s both, chainsaws are still feared by people, obviously, it’s just not where good part of his power comes from.
Being cheered on in particular probably kind of siphon it further.
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>>237691611
inb4 it's something super retarded like "the god devil watched this movie and his fear of chainsaws projected on to the chainsaw devil gave him his power"
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>>237691257
Chainsaws just cut things though. How do you get "Erase from existence" from that?
And by that I mean, how come that upgrade isn't seen as an asspull akin to Rubber Nen or Seven Quirks?
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>>237692186
Probably because not everyone has terminal battleshounen brainrot
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>>237691177
That's not it.
It's not quite clear but it's implied that all or most devils fear the Chainsaw Devil, and that's what grants it such power.
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>Do you think CSM is human?
Actually
People don't know CSM is human or not in the manga. They love him cos he's been killing a lot of devils.
Quanxi also called him チェンソーマン(CSM) Viz translated it as Chainsaw Boy.
Author can just turn Pochita into Chainsaw Man Devil in Part 2. Problem solved.
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>>237691151
It was explained pretty clearly anon. Devil power is based on fear. Humans fearing some concepts make the respective devils stronger, but the Chainsaw devil is feared by other devils. That gives him all sorts of conceptual power.
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>>237691324
>>237691257
Gained fear power from bombing weddings and school buses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT1301ZvDM8
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>>237691151
Do people really believe that he really is the chainsaw demon and not something else?
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>>237692186
because everyone accepted this manga is just dumb "fun" and you shouldnt look for internal logic in it
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Friday the 13th devil in part 2 when?
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>>237691151
He once said to some devils "if I eat you, you will disappear forever" then went on to kill people as he usually does, this stuck, they believed him and now he has that power for real, since devils get powers from fear and he is feared from devils.
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And why is Pochita able to talk normally to Power and he is a cartoony retard unable to speak when on full demon mode?
Fujimoto is all style over substance, its better not to think too much over the (numerous) plot holes
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>>237691151
Because to put it bluntly, it's just lazy writing, to The reason why the chainsaw devil is the most feared seems arbitrary and a justifaction made up after he came up with the idea. It's like he came up with the designs and didn't think of anything else beyond Makima betraying Denji for the plot
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>>237692715
feels like they just want to shitpost about csm
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>>237691905
Fire Punch had god tier assistants working on it. Look at their respective series Jigokuraku and Dandadan and you'll see how they were mostly responsible for the good artwork.
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>>237692872
Hey you stole my post from the other thread.
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Because someone at somepoint spread the rumor
>hey did you hear if Chainsaw eats you, you are removed from Existence!
And that fear got incoporated into his powers. He likely didnt have it before
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>>237691151
It has the properties of chain and saw
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>>237693157
What stops someone from spreading a rumor that people get brainwashed once they come in touch with [insert random devil here]? Feel like shit like this should be more thoroughly explained
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>>237693120
kek
actually he came up with CSM power since Katana arc
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>>237691151
He's not chainsaw man. Obviously, he's some more primordial devil who either became, fused, or gave all power to pochita.
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/a/ in charge of not being too stupid to understand every single basic shounenshit plot
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>>237691151
The chainsaw is the iconic weapon of the bane of demonkind himself, Doomguy. Well, either that or a double-barreled shotgun. In any case, that makes it extra effective against demons, like silver bullets against werewolves.
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>>237691262
>t. speedreader

There devils way more powerful than the Chainsaw Devil. Chainsaw is just unique because he has the ability to permanently end concepts.
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>>237697171
no amount of ad hominem will defend the author's lack of writing skills
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>>237691151
Chainsaws are cool, that's just an asspull
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>>237691151
genuinely worst bit of the story that opens up a massive can of worms
it's only purpose is to justify the lack of other majorly feared things as devils, but it could just as well have been handwaved as "those dudes like to hang out in hell actually"
the best excuse i can come up with is "chainsaw devil ate an oblivion devil, which is how he inherited that specific ability", but since there's no explanation at all i'll just say fujimbo is a wanker

there's no good reason why chainsawman couldn't have just been a doomguy-like cool dude
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>>237691611
Bruh, that movie did not raise fear of chainsaws as much as Jaws did towards sharks

Jaws singlehandedly bankrupted beaches for years out of misguided fear of sharks
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>>237697393
>chainsawman is a crazy guy who keeps killing devils nonstop
>they start to get afraid of him, which makes him stronger and stronger, eventually developing into his current power
what part of this is so hard to understand
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>>237691151
we learned that devils get stronger from eating each other, and sometimes develop new powers. I assumed he started small and got stronger each time he ate, then eventually developed the erasure power
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>>237691277
>>237692186
The chainsaw devil has some retarded special properties that makes him erase Devils permanently if he eats them. And yes, it has nothing to do with chainsaws, but he has that for some reason.
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Why is csm, and especially it’s second half, so much worse than fire punch?
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>>237691151
Its gonna be explained in part 10
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>>237697375
>Chainsaw is just unique because he has the ability to permanently end concepts.
But why? Why chainsaws? What's the thematic significance? The cultural foundation? The intuitive logic?
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>>237698166
The miracle of life https://www.businessinsider.com/chainsaws-were-originally-invented-for-helping-childbirth-not-cutting-wood-2018-6
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>>237691151
The in world lore for this is fucking abysmal. If devil's get stronger by fear, which is not power scaling you fucking mongs it's an integral part of the plot, how the fuck does the darkness devil get to be stronger than the violence devil? You don't fear darkness because it's dark, you fear something inflicting violence on you while you can't see in the dark.
And then there is the hell devil. Despite what redditors would believe, the vast majority of the world is still religious. There are far more people afraid of going to hell then there are people scared of guns, for instance. Even worst, there is confirmation of the existence of FUCKING DEVILS AND HELL.
CSM is a great manga at some points, but the main plot points are utterly fucking retarded.
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>>237698126
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MLfO0ZTXuHk
p2
fun fact
author or lin or makima or background characters never once called pochita "chainsaw devil" in final arc, they called him chenso man.

people just throw their headcanons at each other in this thread lol
>>237698366
>There are far more people afraid of going to hell
hell is real in csm
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>>237691151
Chainsaws are the quintessential anti-demon weapon.
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>>237692864
>its better not to think too much over the (numerous) plot holes

There are 0 plot holes in Chainsaw man, only plot conveniences, which is completely normal and pretty much unavoidable in order to create an entertaining battle shonen story with huge powerscaling.

Also, part 2 isn't even out yet, the story is nowhere near finished right now. Fujimoto is constantly evolving as an author (see Goodbye Eri), part 2 will be his magnum opus and surpass even part 1.
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>>237698553
Change your diapers
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>>237698488
No, double barreled shotguns are
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>>237698366
It's not just about how many people are scared of a certain concept, it's also about how much they are afraid of the concept itself and the role it plays in the everyday life of them.
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>>237691151
keep reading and find out, retard.
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>>237691151
Because Fujimoto wanted even though there is no logical explanation
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>>237691151
It's not confirmed yet. Anyone trying to give you a certain answer is just their own headcanon. Here some possibilities.
>Chainsaws are linked with birth, that is why he can erase names. Pochita is just Chainsaw devil
>Pochita is *something else* devil, but *somehow* he's also a Chainsaw hybrid
>Pochita ate a strong devil flesh (not their core) and got it power.
>Something reallyyy stupid like >>237692161
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>>237698935
Knowing Fujimoto’s love of movies, it be the fourth.
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>>237699038
>I will create a civilization cultivated to the exact same point as the era in which TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE™ was created, and watch the new film!
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>>237691151
>Fuji didn't even bother explaining this
>Makima revealing everything made her extremely boring
Power and Gobeni saved the final arc, otherwise this would have been a very mediocre ending
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>>237691611
actually because of this
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>>237698366
In the dark, people are afraid of ugly witch, ghosts, monsters, etc (they are not even real lol) You may worry about noises you hear when the lights are out, especially if you can’t tell what caused them. Violence is just one of those things. It's up to your imagination, i guess.
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>>237698553
Absolutely based slowreader.
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>>237691611
This is why it's feared by humans
>>237697022
>>237699201
This is why Fuji thinks it should be feared by demons

Also completely unrelated but does anyone else think that the concept of hybrids that got eaten was the Devilman Devil? Because it makes the most sense to me that Fuji would make a stealth non reference there, seeing as he went out od his way to make sure we knew that hybrids have a proper title we'll never hear
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>>237698714
>No, double barreled shotguns are
God I hope Nayutas sister, War, main weapon is a double barreled shotgun.
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>>237699182
>Powerkeks eternally seething at the most based ending

Good.
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>>237691151
Because he's rampaged so much in hell that not only is he powered by human fear of chainsaws, but also the devils' fear of him.
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>>237691324
not as bad as white devil I presume, the horde of brown, asians and black being afraid of white will outnumber the number of people being afraid with black. I assume his power will be instantly putting a chain and whipped everyone that looked at him instantly.
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surprised anons still care about Hiatus Man
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>>237699667
Cute future husband and wife
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>>237691151
>chainsaw being more scary than nuclear and nazi to the point of defeating and erasing them
>meanwhile irl even mentioning nazi can make certain people cower in fear while chainsaw are just gardening tool
how the fuck does it even make sense or coherent? I get that fear create devil but how the fuck deleting the devil also deletes the irl stuff? also how the fuck nazi and nuclear got deleted but the world still stuck at cold war? wont the us and ussr already killed eachother if it isnt for the nukes?
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>>237691225
>spiders
its funny cuz spider devil exists and she is fucking jobber like the rest of the devil hybrid squad.
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>>237691151
My impression was that the Chainsaw Devil was supposed to be powered by the fear of humanity's destruction of nature (dont ask me why that isnt the oil devil or the global warming devil). And since demons are a natural force in this world that grants him the power to destroy demons (dont ask me why that means he can apparently delete concepts from reality instead of just deleting humanity's fear of those concepts).

But Fuji or his editors were too cowardly to blatantly have environmental destruction stated as a force of good in the setting, so it is left mostly ambiguous.
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>>237699978
>how the fuck does it even make sense or coherent?
Read the manga
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>>237699611
Hybrids are inspired by Frankenstein's Army. Fuji calls them Weapon Humans.
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>>237699978
Pochita also erased WW 2 Devil. In CSM it appears that devils have taken up a role similar to WMDs. Gun devil, bomb girl, and control devil. History of events during and after WW2 are unknown Omar the moment in CSM.
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>>237691151
No idea
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>>237699201
Ash would curbstomp everyone in CSM
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>>237700413
What contract would Ash get?
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>>237699978
It doesn't make sense, that's the point. It's just fujimoto being a subpar writer and getting fellated for no reason
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am I the only one actually taken a back by how weird the timeline this manga has? in the earlier chapters I felt like it took place in the late 60's judging by the cars and technology, then suddenly it felt like the 80's with the giant brick phone and for no reason at all, its actually set in 1990's with the dancing arcade.
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>>237700582
because the author is doing anachronism
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>>237700582
How the hell did you think this shit was in the 60s. I thought this shit was like in 2000s.
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>>237692715
Denji has the gomu-gomu devil, which allows him to erase devils from existence.
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>>237700480
Ash
Contracted with the Groovy Devil
Boons: incredible luck in surviving impossible odds, incredibly convenient aim and combat skills in a pinch, never runs out of shotgun shells when it counts.
Cons: Will often be found in incredibly deadly scenarios and will get battered and bruised.
Price: Must constantly act like a smarmy cocksure prick and bed at least one random chick a month. All combat encounters must end with a witty one-liner.
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>>237700582
The beginning of the manga took place in rural japan.
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Because.... um, it just does OKAY??
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>>237691151
Even Fujimoto couldn't resist making MC a chosen one
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>>237700826
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The real question is....Which devil could defeat HIM?
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>>237700009
she's hot tho
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>>237692412
I thought she called him ノコギリ男, which translates to pretty much the same thing but is actual Japanese.
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>>237700009
She should of been more scary instead of hot
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>>237691151
satan watched the Texas Chainsaw Massacre
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>>237701096
Punishments devil
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>>237698067
Rubber God
Chainsaw Eraser
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>>237700826
>>237701066
Motherfucking EL JEFE
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>>237701164
8 pussies
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>>237699978
Learn history again.
Burger failed to invade Russia before nukes came out. Burger also failed to invade Vietnam. In CSM, USSR has Bomb Hybrid and other Hybrids in that "ROOM".
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People are confusing devil fear with human fear
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>>237701243
I’m said the gun devil doesn’t have a double barrel, trip barrel, or quad barrel on him. A fucking waste.
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>>237698366
Darkness is a primal human fear. Violence is a tool.
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>>237701340
>said
Meant to type sad
>>237701309
I wonder if Fujimoto would introduce more Soviet hybrids?
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>>237701096
DOOM i mean CSM can win against any Devil. He can't DIE.
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>>237701309
thats was exactly my concern, how come ussr havent rushing the fulda gap yet? the only thing hindering soviet invasion was the nuke. nd now they have bigger army with the support of devilmen, they could take on USA at anytime.

this is especially more annoying considering out of all country and their devil, america seems to be the most incompetent.
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so will part 2 contain stupid devils like the human devil for example for muh classic "humans are the real monster(devil)"?
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>>237691611
They only reason I can think he has devil erasing powers is because this film got censored. Devils heard humans were trying to erase fears of chainsaws, and that freaked them out.
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>>237701498
We don’t know if the US have hybrids or not nor their true capabilities besides, gun devil. Plus the US only recently lost the gun Devil.
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>>237701193
>Punishments devil
Wrong, because the punishment devil is on earth and is making contracts with humans, which means he had to die in hell in order to get reincarnated on earth. Meanhwile, the darkness, like all primordial devils, never died even once and is still chilling in hell.
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>>237701625
i mean didnt soviet have significantly more gun devil part compared to america? it wouldnt matter, plus unlike nukes, gun devil can be countered by brute forces.
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>>237701498
>>237701689
The point is USSR and Burger are not at the top of food chain in CSM. In CSM, they detain Gun Devil so it can't escape and kill bunch of people again. They still have to worry about other shit like Makima and Doomsday.
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>>237701689
Yeah, 28% USSR, 20% USA.
>>237701730
Will doomday happen in part 2?
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>>237701631
So Darkness > Punishment > Gun
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>>237701498
>thats was exactly my concern, how come ussr havent rushing the fulda gap yet? the only thing hindering soviet invasion was the nuke. nd now they have bigger army with the support of devilmen, they could take on USA at anytime.

USA, China etc. have parts of the gun devil, you have seen what the president of the united states can do. You can't invade other countries because each side would just summon the gun devil by sacrificing the life spans of their citizens and it would end in a disaster for both sides. And who knows what other kind of devils the governments across the globe have captured.
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>>237701818
So the Gun Devil was keeping USA and USSR(, China) from fucking over each other. Now Gun devil is presumably in hell doing drive bys on everything. Will the Cold War turn hot?
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>>237701805
gun is still stronger than punishment, the gun devil we saw was at only 20% power
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>>237698366
So there's this concept I think he's trying to go for. When killed and reborn into hell the devil is much more powerful than when he's reborn into earth. Violence devil is sent to hell but not killed and reborn there so he's not as powerful as darkness devil. Just a guess to what might be going on.
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>>237701959
There is no way to predict Kinomoto's upcoming wild ride
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>>237691151
it sounds retarded but i don't think that he's strong because of fear of chainsaws. he's strong because devils are afraid of the chainsaw devil. so in a stupid way he's like the chainsaw devil devil. that's how i understood it at least, because there's definitely 2 distinctive forms between the chainsaw devil and the chainsaw man devil.
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>>237691151
Because Kino, that's why
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>>237699816
>white devil had literally conquered the world at one point
What brought him down? Was it the decadence devil?
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A different question: How the fuck was Santa Claus/Tolka/Doll devil or whatever able to make a contract with a primordial devil that never left hell??? He gave her darkness flesh for CSM's heart but how could they even make that contract in the first place?

Plot hole?
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>>237702172
he doesn't have Darkness's phone number ...
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>>237701096
The devil devil.
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>>237702382
976 -Devil-Hotline
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>>237702172
With the phone devil
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>>237702648
Who the fuck is he even talking to? The gun devil??? HOW?
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>>237703021
kino
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>>237701096
Power already defeated him. She said so herself.
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>Shounen fags are trying to objectively quantify strengths of individuals again.
Why are they like this?
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>>237703022
>Who the fuck is he even talking to? The gun devil???
Yes
>HOW?
Magical devil bullshit brick phone, costing 200 buck, cash up front.
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>>237701625
>>237701818
Let's remember that the whole world was basically kneeling to Makima, the only country that thought that using the Gun Devil to defeat Makima was a good idea was USA... kek.
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>>237702172
>How the fuck was Santa Claus/Tolka/Doll devil or whatever able to make a contract with a primordial devil that never left hell???

Bro, they had the hell devil, that is basically a devil that opens doors to hell.
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I am pretty sure the Chainsaw Man Devil theory is the best way out of this.
There is nothing that can argue against a guy going to hell and killing devils with a Chainsaw until he is feared enough by the devil that it gives rise to the Chainsaw Man Devil.
It could explain pretty much everything. Most you can do is QuanXi being the first Devil Hunter, whatever the fuck that means.
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>>237703285
They also thought sending the pasta bros was a good idea.
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>>237703332
Does that mean Chainsaw Man is doomguy?
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>>237703285
Once they notice that Makima disapeared the world will start a new world war. That is why the WAR apocalypse will be important in part2. I hope she is a loli too lmao.
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>>237703328
Okay, and how does that explain them making a contract with the darkness devil?
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>>237703332
>Most you can do is QuanXi being the first Devil Hunter, whatever the fuck that means.
Either in means she’s the first person to take up devil hunting as a job or she’s the first known hybrid/weapon human.
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>>237703366
>They also thought sending the pasta bros was a good idea
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>>237701096
the death devil
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>>237699816
>>237691324
If there's no "Human" devil, I'd say any Devil involving race just circles back to the control devil since race was created to control people while getting the stupid to ask as few questions as possible.
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>>237703409
Your problem was "primals blabla never left hell?" Right?
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Another plot convenience: Chainsaw Man just leaving hell without further explanation, despite previously being stated that you can only leave hell via the hell devil's doing or by dying in hell
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>>237702172
That moment actually has a much bigger implication.

>Early on Aki says that Fiends cannot make contracts with devils
>Many people assumed that this means only humans can make contracts with devils
>Later on the Doll devil makes a contract with the Darkness devil and with the Hell devil
>This could mean that devils can make contracts with devils, but why make that arbitrary restriction for fiends?
>You could argue that Tolka, Master and the old man were humans that were controlled by the Doll devil (which would make sense seeing as Makima ordering Tolka to give his everything to the Hell devil should mean that it includes the Doll devils main body, but it doesn't)

So now the question stands: Can devils make contracts with other devils? And if so, why are fiends excluded from that? Btw that would mean that Powers contract with Denji is not a real contract either.

>>237703433
Her being the first "official" devil hunter is my assumption too, but y'know, speculation without basis.
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>>237703486
The desu devil!?
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>>237703385
>Does that mean Chainsaw Man is doomguy?
CSM is a devil born from the concept of the DoomSlayer.
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>>237703486
I want a death metal death goddess as the final boss.
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>>237703570
the desu devil is even worse
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>>237691151
because doomguy and ash made chainsaws the de facto demon slaying implement
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>>237703486
>death devil
As far as we know, death is apocalypse ranked, not a primal.
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>>237703566
But isn’t Santa and doll Devil two separate people?
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The fear of the unknown devil is the strongest, but its location and appearance is unknown
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>>237703503
>If there's no "Human" devil
There should be a "human" devil, but such vague concepts don't induce much fear, if any, at all. So it should be a minor devil and weak as fuck.
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>>237703708
It’s jerking off in a unknown corner of hell.
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>>237703566
>Btw that would mean that Powers contract with Denji is not a real contract either.
Denji is not a devil, he's a hybrid/weapon human
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>>237703664
>apocalypse ranked
Headcanon, there is no "apocalypse """"rank"""" in csm's universe
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>>237703664
>As far as we know, death is apocalypse ranked, not a primal
>>apocalypse ranked
Retard. "Four horsemen" are just a dumb nickname for their role. Do you think Pochita followers are literally Angels too?
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>>237703708
>the unknown devil
Sounds lovecraftian enough to be a primal, yep.
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>>237703838
>>237703859
Coping hard huh.
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How will Fujimoto subvert our expectations in part 2?
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>>237703772
Oh my god, yes you're right. I don't know why I jumped the gun there.
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>>237703510
Fujimoto at that point was just fumbling it and going through the motion
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The primals are the strongest devils that never died (never left hell) The 4 apocalypses are the strongest devils that died in hell and went to the human world.

And we know that the 4 apocalypses vs CSM is the battle that left CSM in his weakened Pochita state so obviously Death isn't a primal.
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So what would happen if a primal devil somehow gets killed in hell and then spawns on earth? Would humanity be fucked? How do you even deal with a darkness devil-tier monster walking around on earth?
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>>237703664
We do not even know the prerequisites of a Primal/Primordial Devil. The only description we have of them is that they are extraordinarily powerful and have never tasted death. Are they "primal" because they are representative of mankind's most primordial fears? Or are they "primal" because they have existed since time immemorial and have never entered the death and reincarnation cycle? I would argue "Death" would certainly constitute as a Primal if the former.

As for the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, we do not know anything about them either. All we can assess is that Fuji copy pasted them straight from the Bible's Book of Revelation and made them devils. So it seems rather haphazard to assume Primals and the Four Horsemen are mutually exclusive with what very little we know at the moment. At this point, I would refrain from a "rank" or "tier" list in a story which does not concern itself with power scaling as opposed to rule of cool. Perhaps part 2 will delve deeper into the specifics, but I have reservations.
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>>237704068
>The primals are the strongest devils that never died (never left hell) The 4 apocalypses are the strongest devils that died in hell and went to the human world.
Headcanon. Hell Devil or shit like Spider exist.
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>Snake devil is exteremly strong and a giant monster snake
>Spider devil is some weak woman with 8 legs
BRAVO FUJIMOTO
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>>237691151
Because he's feared by demons
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>>237703911
Nayuta will fuck Denji in space
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>>237704387
Fujimoto is not a pedophile, kill yourself
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>>237704354
Spiders are easier to get rid of than snakes.
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>>237704423
>he lacks critical information
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>>237704310
>Hell Devil or shit like Spider exist.
Those fuckers are weak as fuck. Just concede.

There is a clear narrative importance for the 4horseman and we already know that they aren't primals.
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>>237704423
>Fujimoto is not a pedophile
Anon... I...
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>>237704187
nukes, oh wait...
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>>237704423
You're right, he's a zoophile that likes watching human women have sex with dogs
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Something I noticed with the fandom is that not a lot noticed the reveal of the "Control" devil being in reality the "Conquest" devil. It was somewhat lost in translation.
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>>237704604
Some devils can teleport from hell to earth without dying. CSM, Spider and Hell all of them have that ability. Maybe Death can teleport them or they used another devil for it.
We barely know about Pochita/horsemen backstory, don't assume bullshit.
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>>237704187
>They are so strong that they would be invencible in Earth and humanity will die
>They are so strong that they are unable to die in hell so humanity is safe

Is a cool concept. Can't wait Fuji to realease all primals on Earth at the end of Part2
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>>237700731
*hito hito no mi model nika devil
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>>237704423
Fujimoto likes to draw cunny, fucking newfag
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Did that one anon ever send Fujimoto the film collection?
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>>237691257
>Black people... don't erase you from existence
They do, but it takes a few generations
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>>237703285
>Let's remember that the whole world was basically kneeling to Makima, the only country that thought that using the Gun Devil to defeat Makima was a good idea was USA... kek.
lol yeah, fujimoto seems to hate america the most both russia and china got cool devils, meanwhile america is potrayed as the most incompetent out of the trio. make sense considering he also loves trannies. probably from his obsession with hollywood
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>>237704778
>B-but what about the taxis between Earth and Hell...
Mother of copes. It's really not that simple with primals.

And we know death couldn't be a primal fear because there was like 3 or 4 more endings to life anyway.
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>>237704778
>don't assume bullshit.
We know "Death" is a horseman like Makima. Makima is also a primal? Hell no. Headcanon has nothing to do about any of this.
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>>237703022
>The gun devil??? HOW?
well he probably has his phone number
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>>237704915
>>Dude my headcanon is real, believe me
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>>237705013
This
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>Powerlevels thread
Makima defeated Chainsaw Man (Pochita) twice by herself. Denji defeated Makima with a fucking blood saw and the power of vore. Blood Devil can insta kill most devils but weak zombies defeated her because it counters her ability.
Get fucked, this is not DB.
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>>237703859
>Pochita followers are literally Angels too?
I don't know why you think any of this is literal. But yes it's the same with the horseman. These are different groups of devils and Fuji gave them different names based in biblical lore.

What is so difficult to understand?
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>>237705276
Powerlvs in CSM are dynamic but they are subject to clear rules. You are right in not comparing it to something as simple as DB. But also wrong if you think there isn't a powerlv system in CSM.
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>That single anon getting filtered about the 4 horseman
A CSM thread isn't a real CSM thread without that.

PD: This also needs more Kobenis
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>>237704423
>fujimoto is not a pedophile
How new?
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>>237705560
Every time I see Kobeni my dick gets hard.
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>>237705618
We know, Hornychita
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>>237691151
cause the author likes chainsaws
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>>237704804
>Chainsaw Man will end with devils just turning earth into hell
Holy fucking kino
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>>237704234
Agree
POTUS stated than fearing "Makima" (control) is basically the history of the humanity. So likely, at least as a devil, she is almost as old as Darkness. Fujimoto himself said in one interview than he let a lot of things "vague" or "ambiguos" in order to write part 2 easier.
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>>237705276
It's a shonen so you're retarded for not expecting power levels
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>>237703655
Evil dead and Texas chainsaw massacre are bad movies that made chainsaws feared by both humans and demons. Gotta have bad movies, bruh.
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>>237704804
Part3 is Nayuta and her sisters trying to revive CSM in a post-apocalyptic world.
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>>237706267
[Massive dumb headcanons]
There is nothing vague in the way devils reacted to Makima (fear) and how they reacted about Darkness (Most of them literally lost their sanity)
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>>237706905
>in fujimotoverse the laws of physics are dictated by bad movies
this actually checks out ngl
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Why was CSM ultimately so fogettable yet FP stuck with me even months after finishing it?
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>>237691151
Asspull
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>>237707489
Because you're a contrarian
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>>237707994
Not him and not contrarian, but I share that opinion. Characterization and story are handled very differently. It's apples and oranges.
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>>237691151
I always thought (and even now) that the white arm belonged to CSM
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>>237708298
Anyone else??
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>>237691151
it’s still got me fucked up that retard denji just ate his crush and by some fucking logic it was a loophole to all her bullshit. like
1. what the fuck?
2. how does this not count as murder
3. wouldn’t she technically be erased by this? why’s she got a reincarnation
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>>237692449
It's not explained clearly because the chainsaw devil is a constant exception to any rule established and some stuff in the manga just doesn't make sense. So he either clarifies it in the sequel and it all makes sense or it just doesn't, which is fine too because the story can still be engaging.
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>>237708413
no, it's only you
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>>237708616
how do i make it go away so that I can see the arm belonging to a devil getting eaten
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>>237708441
>1. what the fuck?
Denji is unironically crazy. Remember Kishibe's speech to Himeno about Devil Hunters, and how only the most insane ones are the ones to survive the business. Kishibe tells Denji in the penultimate chapter that among all the Devil Hunters, no one is cut out for it more than him. Denji wonders what he meant by that comment after he left. In reality, he was actually saying Denji is a schizo.

>2. how does this not count as murder
See above. In Denji's mind, eating and becoming one with Makima was "an act of love." Makima's contract dictates that only "attacks" be translated into appropriate illnesses and accidents for Japanese citizens. What matters is the intent. Denji never "attacked" Makima. It was "love" - and therefore the contract was bypassed and she was unable to regenerate and died.

>3. technically be erased
No. Denji ate Makima. Not Pochita/Chainsaw Man. Therefore she was not erased.
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>>237708679
thanks anon, finally i have been cured
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>>237704804
If all humans died, there would no longer be Devils. If humans lost the ability to fear, all Devils would vanish, but so would survival instinct and humans would eventually die out since new generations would be born without even the ability to comprehend the ramifications of consequences.

Ignorance is bliss, and understanding is fear. A world without Devils is a world without knowledge is an evolutionary dead end.
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It's a fucking Evil Dead reference retard
If anything doesn't make sense in Chainsawman assume it's a movie reference
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>>237708873
>>2. how does this not count as murder
>See above. In Denji's mind, eating and becoming one with Makima was "an act of love." Makima's contract dictates that only "attacks" be translated into appropriate illnesses and accidents for Japanese citizens. What matters is the intent. Denji never "attacked" Makima. It was "love" - and therefore the contract was bypassed and she was unable to regenerate and died.

This was the most corny shit Fujimoto pulled in all of CSM
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>Angel couldn't regenerate his arms because ????????
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News soon!
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>>237709648
Aki couldn't have his arm saved because he'l was a Japanese citizen in the immediate vicinity of Makima while in Hell and the Darkness Devil crushed her arm.

Maybe the wounds were just too major for Angel.
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>>237709677
>ANYDAY NOW FOR REAL GUYS!!
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>>237709786
>Maybe the wounds were just too major for Angel
Angel is a devil, you know what devils can do with blood?
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>>237691257
They make your existence worse which is harguably worse
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>>237703566
>>237703692
Santa is a "human" so is Tolka, just not a regular/normal one. She said she was going to die soon
Santa made a contract with Doll, she is not the devil itself
It not confirmed but I think she became a doll, specifically the doll "leader" or the mother of dolls.
Humans can make a contract with any devil, primals included
Santa used Tolka to make the contract. She going to hell by herself is too dangerous for her
Tolka dying doesn't broke the contract because the contract is only void when one of the parties breaks the established terms, not the other way around.
Darkness didn't go to the "death -> rebirth" process so his flesh does still have it power (because is from his main body, which still alive)
Santa requested "the power of darkness" for her contract. You don't see Fish Devil shooting bullets because there wasn't a contract
It seems she acquired the passive abilities of Darkness only. Regen with dark, knowledge, strengthen her own abilities and skills etc etc.
Basically doll devil can "make-contracts-but-not-really" using proxies.

That is.
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>>237709786
>Aki couldn't have his arm saved because he'l was a Japanese citizen in the immediate vicinity of Makima
That is not how it works. Otherwise Kishibe would be in pieces here
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>>237703510
Probably killed himself for whatever reason
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>>237709786
Angel is a lazy.
>>237710169
Makima told Kishinev to stand back. Kishibe didn’t ask for Pochita’s help or directly attack him.
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>>237691151
Chaisaw man is powered by Devil fear not human fear
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>>237710284
Anon implied that Makima regen works with proximicity, which is not true. It only works like that when she chains people.
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>>237709995
That's what I think too because it's such a specific circumstance that I think Fujimoto created the doll devil for that purpose.
That however would imply that devils can't make contracts with other devils. But that is never actually stated or shown so you're left wondering why Aki specifically said Fiends and devils can't make contracts with each other instead of "Only Humans can make contracts with devils" or "Devils can't make contracts with other devils".

It's pretty odd in hindsight. I wish someone could post the raws and have someone proficient at japanese take a shot at translating it.
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>>237691307
Are the kids siging in the chapel just doing it for the heck of it?
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Which one of them was stronger?
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>>237691151
there was a stupid but somehow interesting as fuck theory I saw that chainsaw man isn't the chainsaw devil but the "chainsaw man" devil. the fear of chainsaw man specifically and how he'll destroys devils created whatever the fuck chainsaw man and his abilities are. I thought that idea had potential because it would imply there is an original chainsaw devil.
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>>237710718
>the fear of chainsaw man specifically
that makes no sense, in order for a chainsaw man devil to even manifest someone would have to be afraid of it in the first place.
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>>237691745
kek
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>>237710611
God not existing doens't mean that religion stops existing anon, you could make a religion out of anything. I'm definitely curious how the religions in the CSMverse works though with how much of a mess the setting is due to Pochita.
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>>237691151
My headcanon is that he's not the CHAinsaw devil but the actual CHAos devil.
Which explains why he's unpredictable even to major players, so unknowable that he himself forgot he was the chaos devil.
Plus its a good contrast, between Control (Makima), Chaos (Denji).
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>>237700582
>60's judging by the cars and technology,
The answer is you are a retard.
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>>237710614
CSM has never defeated a primal so...
>>237710718
>chainsaw man isn't the chainsaw devil but the "chainsaw man" devil.
That isn't a theory, it's literally in the manga.
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>>237701631
afaik it seems the devil doesn't have to be on earth to be making contracts with humans. hell devil, darkness devil himself too, made contracts.
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>>237710607
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Yeah, same. I think since Fujimoto created a such specific situation probably devils can't make contracts with others devils. Otherwise Doll would just make a contract with another devil by itself instead of using a human proxy who also controls others humans etc.
But yes, what did Aki say is a bit odd. I hope this is clarified is the future. Maybe Fujimoto changes his mind idk.
Well my own headcanon goes like this
>Humans can contract any devil
>Devils can't make a contract with other devils or fiends, just with humans/hybrids
>Fiends can't make a contract at all, literally with no one (Power was the blood devil when she contracted Denji)
>Hybrids can make a contract because their mind is human
Basically
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>>237709910
It's true, uncle MAPPA told me news is coming
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>>237711108
>in order for a chainsaw man devil to even manifest someone would have to be afraid of it in the first place
Chainsawman has been going on a Doomguy rampage in hell for an unknown amount of time before the events of the manga. To the point in which every devil currently living in the human world has memories of its engine rev right before dying. All of them have actual traumatic shock of something they dont remember but do indeed feel. So yes, theres someone afraid of chainsawman, literally every devil in the human world, hence its birth. We have jack shit information on how it started though.
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>>237708441
Denji is a bit of a psycho and yandere schizo desu. Dude is completely insane
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>>237691151
He literally ate his way to the top of the food chain, the only ones that could and did stop him were the primal devils
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>>237709648
So aki could pound him with little resistance.
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>>237691151
Because a chainsaw is just a bunch of teeth and every living thing from the inception of life fears being eaten by something else.
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>>237692161
It's 100% movie related
It's why Beam is so friendly to Denji, he's also a fear that would be 1% as big without movies popularizing it
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>>237711581
I feel like God would exist in CSM, and just doesn't give a fuck
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>>237714997
>Fujimoto mixed up christianism with B-movies of horror and made a manga from it.
Damn, you mad lad.
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I wonder how this guy is doing.
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>>237704234
Primals are things humans have always been afraid of. You have to know what a gun is to be scared of one, Sentinelse are going to be less scared of weapons they've never seen before than someone who lives in an area of war or gang conflict. All humans, however are afraid of the dark, that massive amount of fear is what makes them unkillable to other devils.
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>>237691151
Humans Fear Devil > Devil Gets Power
Devils Fear Devil > Devil gets More Power
Its not a hard connection to make.

>>237712415
>CSM has never defeated a primal so...
That we know of...
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>>237698366
You midwits need to stop pretending your Reading Comp 101 takes on fiction is the standard and that stories "fail" someone because they don't follow your retarded logical pathways
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>>237715144
>And Makima will be in the background sobbing uncontrollably because she wishes that she was the one being hugged.
Heeh
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>There is no way someone genuinely believes in this right?
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>>237691262
retard alert
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>>237697483
no its central to the story fucking retard
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>>237715356
What the fuck are you taking about retard. The guy you replied to was using basic logical thinking and making conclusions based on information presented in the story
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>>237704234
>>237715216
I wish to see the fire devil, something so primal every living beings on Earth is scared of it
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>>237691151
humanity made chainsaws a weapon supremely suited towards fighting demons due to pop culture.
Devils grow stronger from fear, other devils fear Chainsaw man his strength increases
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It’s really gonna be 2023 isn’t it…
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>>237692412
>>237701141 this anon is correct.
chainsawman in the title is written as the english チェンソーマン
it's still not really well handled, but you'd basically have to delve into really old english vocabulary to handle this effectively.
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>>237691177
this is wrong
>>237691151
>>237691307
this sort of angle makes the most sense to me
if all the devils can gain the power of the others just by eating each other, all chainsaw had to do was get lucky at some point in the past, no need for a special exception.
as for who he ate to give him this power, or why anyone else he ate doesn't seem to give him other powers, the idea of there being concepts we don't know about is enough to cover that base, even if it's a bit of a lazy catch-all.
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>>237691177
Chainsaws are typically featured as ways to kill demons and zombies and shit, thus devils fear chainsaws, and since the power system is based around fear, the Chainsaw devil is powered not by human fear but by devil fear. It's Fujimoto putting a small little gotcha nod in his manga. Don't think too hard about it, his manga aren't meant to be deep.
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>>237710169
It would explain how all those dead bureau employees surrounding Denji when Makima asked CSM to save her died.
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just bought 50 games (60$). the jackpot prize will be over $80m. wish me luck /a/
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>>237719900
>9900
i-i will be a millionaire soon ?!?!
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>>237719900
good luck fellow ausbro, I just put a quickpick on
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>>237719997
thks you too!
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>>237715144
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CAN THEY AT LEAST TELL US WHEN WE CAN EXPECT FUCKING NEWS AT THIS POINT?!

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH FUJIMOTO AND CRAPPA??!
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So if devil fear gives special properties then what do the primordial devils have? Darkness was willing to help stop Makima for a price and showed no fear of chainsawman. Also leaving Hell requires death in Hell from another devil so chainsawman lost at some point
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>>237691151
because uh chainsaws are badASS!
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>>237720629
>Also leaving Hell requires death in Hell from another devil so chainsawman lost at some point
Pochita forced his way out of hell
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>>237719899
You mean the swat dudes? That was Denji, he killed all of them, you can see his bloodied hand from beating them to death in human form
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>>237720861
Here is the page
>>237720629
>Also leaving Hell requires death in Hell
It doesn't, Chainsaw literally brute forced his way out, probably by bullying the Hell Devil.
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CSM has been defeated probably millions of times, what makes him so terrifying is that the dude just keeps coming back and nobody can stop his respawn cycle and killing everything and erase them.

This just increases how much he is feared by the demons, what allows him to cause even more dmg, what increases how much he is feared, what allows him to cause even more dmg etc...
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>>237721328
Mkm said the same thing in the manga, too. Poquita revs his engine and arises again and again. Poquita reminds me of Doom Slayer in Doom franchise. Demons fear DOOM the most cos he is immortal. If they kill him, he will just respawn again and again.
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>Chainsaw man appears
>[rap music starts playing]
how would /a/ react?
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>>237721328
>>237721617
CSM is basically a perpetual movement machine that permakills demons. Truly terryfing.
>>237721639
We are going to edit all the anime with the DOOM ost so don't worry.
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>>237721639
>DOOM ost
yes...DOOM ost...
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>>237721755
Fund it.
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>>237718579
underrated take

Volcano
Wild Fire
Steel melting
Flamethrower
White phosphorous

lots of aesthetics to be put into the artistic design of a fire devil. Or Burn devil?
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>>237721639
I wod shitpost for days... Pretty much like I've been doing for months now so nothing would change on my end
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>>237721639
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>>237721639
>>[rap music starts playing]
>produced by Madlib
I would cum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p29TR523JNA
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>>237691151
devil gets power from being feard by human
what happens if a devil get its power from being feared by both humans and devil?
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>>237721722
>CSM remembers everything. He remembers the pain, and more importantly, he remembers where all the Devils are. He always knows what they will do cause he's been fighting them for a long time. etc

aaaaaarhhhhhh gimme me Pochita Dragon Ball adventure. I don't care about Nayuta and Blood Devil. I want to see Pochita vs Nuclear Weapon Devil etc

CSM would have been better if it was just about Denji and Pochita fighting Devils.
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>>237722734
>CSM would have been better if it was just about Denji and Pochita fighting Devils.
nah... Makima carried a big part of the story... but
>I want to see Pochita vs Nuclear Weapon Devil etc
random flashbacks of CSM telling the story of the epic battles he fought while denji and nayuta are chilling would be kino.
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>>237721639
It would be great depending on the music choice, stop being a boomer, rap is good.
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>>237691225
>like spiders or black people
I may condone racism but cool it with the arachnophobia.
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>>237701096
https://youtu.be/7_HAFsPooR4

Kangaroo Devil works for Darkness. Would be cool if Darkness could summon anything in the dark.
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>>237691611
Fujimoto has great taste considering he only took cues from the first film
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>>237721639
It would be terrible
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>>237694111
we lost bikiniposter ...
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Ad Victoriam Powerbros!
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>>237723681
Power is retarded
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>>237709411
its LOVE, anon, without love it cannot be seen
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>>237691151
if denji ate makima how come the control devil did not get erased and came back as cunny?
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>>237724732
Because denji ate her, not chainsaw man
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Chainsawman is a devil with the ability to sever or "saw" off the links that bind concepts to reality. That's why whatever he eats disappears from existence. Naturally, as the only being that can truly kill other devils he is also the most feared among devils, which makes him even stronger.
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>>237691151

Because Chainsaw Man is the Archangel Michael. The Bible only mentions one archangel by name, and the archangel is missing in the angels Makima lists off.

And the other reason for Michel is the reference to Paradise Lost. From wiki: "Michael is an archangel who is preeminent in military prowess. He leads in battle and uses a sword which was "giv'n him temperd so, that neither keen / Nor solid might resist that edge""

"neither keen / Nor solid might resist that edge" = chainsaw.
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>>237724732
It's dumb like the people in this thread. Denji literally merged with Pokita, it's not like Sukuna or Kurama, he should possess this ability in his human form but guess what, Fujimoto is retarded too!
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>>237721722
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_42baaA--6Y
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>>237726016
No, Denge human form doesn't have enough ki to use that power. Denge s gotta go CSM to use it.

Poquita = 5
normal human = 10
Denge's power level = 100
Denge CSM = 1000
Pochita CSM = 9999
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>>237726575
And this is to go ... even further beyond ...
HRHBHGBHBGABHGBHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH

New powerlevel: 999999999999999999999
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MKM sucks cos she can't transform into Super Makima

I hope MAPPY fix it in the anime

Superrrrr Makimaaaaaaa versus Superrrr Pochitaaaaaaaaaa
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>>237691151
He saws the chains that bind concepts to reality.
Learn Japanese, anon. It's all puns all the way down.
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>>237725811
>Because Chainsaw Man is the Archangel Michael. The Bible only mentions one archangel by name, and the archangel is missing in the angels Makima lists off.
Except he's not. All the guys in the hierarchy of Angels were following Pochita.
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>>237728102
So where is the archangel?
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>>237729048
Dunno
Either in hell or on earth but Makima couldn't find it for some reason.
Unless Fuji is playing 4D chess
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>>237692186
most fears come from headcanon and projecting. Devil started fearing CSW devil because he was killing demons. The killing of demons quickly turned into the fear of actualy getting killed without res.
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>>237698166
Wait for part 2, nigga.
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I'm tired of waiting for news of the anime...



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