Why /a/ hate rotoscoping?
>>223790494I don't know much about it but from looking at that gif it looks jittery and stiff. Also weird looking anime in general.
>>223790494Rotoscoping isn't bad per se, but Aku no Hana was butt ugly, that's all.
ugly traced shit
>>223790494Rotoscoping looks fantastic when it is done right but it's extremely tricky and nobody specializes in it because it's almost always done in one-off projects. No one in the animation industry hones their rotoscoping technique. Aku no Hana is great example of really bad rotoscoping.
>>223790494Why OP write bad?
I want to watch cartoon projections of peoplenot people
>>223790566he was shaking
>>223790494its usually shit because its usually done to save time
>>223790494looks like shit when not done properlylike in that webm
>it looks ugly so it's badWhy does no one understand that's the entire point?
>>223790494They want something familiar, anything dares to be too different is immediately bad.
Because the Japanese are TERRIBLE at it.To a Japanese rotoscoped actor, you must be swaying every part of your body at all times. Your heads, arms, and torsos must be in constant movement, and it looks completely unnatural.The best rotoscoping can be seen in early Disney films like Snow White and Alice. It's used sparingly, efficiently, to capture the realism of complex human movements, blended into standard animated movements. You don't just train a camera on an actor for a whole scene while they overact, then slap a drawing over it.
>>223790494Japs are notoriously bad actors. Unless the studio actually hires gaijin, the end product can be no better than what it rotoscoped from.
>>223790945>project in visual medium>intentionally make it look like shit>Why don't people like this?
>>223791245ugly =/= shit, not everything needs to be ''pretty''
>>223791000>You don't just train a camera on an actor for a whole scene while they overact, then slap a drawing over it.For example of when this actually works, check out these hilarious scenes from the video game Clocktower 3.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c9FWG5dQWMNow think about why this doesn't translate to serious anime dramas.
>>223791110imagine rotoscoping some inner city folks to make them look like anime characters
>>223791396yes, but unlike https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fmmCsyK1dY rotoscoping is both ugly, and shit
>>223791450not that anon, but you really shouldn't compare motion capture to rotoscoping
>>223791785Why shouldn't I, when they are the same thing to the Japanese?
>>223791811rotoscoping motion captured 3d models would be ironically better, than rotoscoping real actors.
>>223790676This, your brain can instinctively tell it's 3DPG wearing a 2D skin and feels revolting.
>>223790672Aku no Hana was the only anime I've seen with any semblance of reality in it's setting. Japanese people actually look like that.
Idk, I liked it a lot. Added quite a bit to the atmosphere. One of my favorite shows for sure
>>223790494Fuck this shit
>>223791868Not really.Look at this clip from an effectively rotoscoped scene:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWwO-h7ZSlwYou can easily tell by comparing the footage that quality rotoscoping is not just slapping your animation directly over the actor. You examine the footage and animate only where it is most effective - to capture the humanity in a complex movement that is challenging to create from imagination. Like how Alice quickly puts her hands in her lap and her dress folds in.This philosophy is completely lost on the Japanese (whether creatively or for budget reasons I cannot say). Their approach to rotoscoping animation is no different than the mocap scene I linked: film it all, put your animation over it, call it a day.
>>223792255>semblance of realitymaybe go watch live action movies? get that shit out of my japanese animes
>>223792300anime looks way better than those boring character designs
>>223790494>>223792300>NOOOOO SHE CANT LOOK LIKE A REAL JAPANESE WOMAN
>>223790494A lot of it likely has to do with not knowing much about it. Idk, I will say I like Aku no Hana but I do find the way it looks to be a little...yeah.
>>223790494I actually don't hate it. It's actually a very viable technique in animation and should be used when it is needed.The problem is Japan is fuck bad on it except for a very very select few.Who was the JP animator that the west tried to paint as a pure rotoscoper but he's just actually so good? His portfolio was GiTS, Cowboy Bebop, etc.
>>223790672That gif you posted isn't rotoscoping.
>>223792413Moreover, the Japanese approach to acting in these scenes compounds with the lack of technique to create something truly uncanny.Here is a western film that does basically the same thing (film actors, apply animation directly over it):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkjDUERgCQwUnlike the Japanese examples, the uncanny valley alarms aren't nearly as high because of the more natural acting style. The humans move realistically, not swaying about every second.
>>223792687Yutaka Nakamura, perhaps?
>>223790494Anime is not real life and real life isn't anime. Rotoscoping will always look bad if you just trace without abandon and shit it onto a storyboard. Like anything in animation it takes effort and time to make it look right, something most people use rotoscoping to avoid in the first place.
>>223792300asian people, excluding a few ones, look generally bad.So aku no hana is to most accurate anime ever.
>>223792413Using video reference is not the same thing as rotoscoping. Rotoscoping is specifically a process of tracing over live-action footage.
>>223792856>>223792610look like shit compare to the live actionhttps://youtu.be/2sXTkrHo2Lsif you wanna be realistic you should add more details
>>223792687>>223792820No, you're thinking of Hiroyuki Okiura. He's a realist animator with a very precise control over line and form.
>>223792715Just because they added an anime head doesn't mean they didn't rotoscope the body.
>>223793019The live action is UTTERLY TRASH.One of the worst adaptations I've ever seen.The only good scene in this movie is the silent one when they're coming back from the school at dawn, because it's kino even in the anime.The anime looks bad but at least it tries to adapt the atmosphere of the manga. The film is just another japanese cinematic failure.
>>223790791I hate that this is probably the most animated scene in all of season 4 (not CGI).
>>223793256but the characters look better, that for sure. The anime want to go for a realistic artstyle but they're so lazy to add any detail to the characters and they ended looking like shit.If you want to be realistic, do it like Oyasumi Punpun
>>223793157Nothing about it is rotoscoped.
>>223793019>more details = more realisticAsk me how I know you haven't drawn a picture in your life.
Japanese people can't act.
>>223792941Watch the clip again. There are directly rotoscoped movements. Just not ALL of them.From an interview on the same technique in Snow White:http://www.fromscreentotheme.com/SaturdayMatineeLiveActionReferences.aspx>"And I said, 'But I didn't know.' That was the one thing that Disney was afraid of: is that people thought they traced certain characters. Now, it isn't absolutely true. The animators make judgments about what they would use and what they needed to trace and how many frames they could leave out, or even add to. But the thing is, they really did use my image. [...] Particularly with the dance sequences, and a lot of the action sequences too when she really gets frightened and stuff.">In short, it was the animator's prerogative as to how much of the rotoscoped material they would use, if any at all. They could make enhancements, change some movements, enough so that the final animation can still be considered original, and not a simple tracing.
>>223793571see >>223793473much better than Aku no Hana
>>223792300>it was supposed to look uglyNo it wasn’t retards stop coping
>>223793766You wouldn't say that 40 years ago.Even now, there are still good Japanese movies like Shoplifter but they're rare
>>223793781Punpun is better than Aku no Hana like Diego Maradona (2019) is better than The 2018 FIFA World Cup Final.They're two totally different things.
>>223793781You're not refuting my point, you're just saying A looks better than B, not that A is more realistic than B. I repeat, more detail does not equate to more realistic.
>>223790494Because it looks fucking disgusting. Aku no Hana is worse than 3D.
>>223793874Shoplifters has a great story, but okay acting. Asian people can't act at all. You can see the same thing with Parasite and Chungking Express.Acting is meant for western people.
>>223794078I said Punpun LOOKS better than the Aku no Hana ANIME because it added more details to the faces. Both are aiming for a realistic art style, how is that two totally different things>>223794153Yes, it is. I provided an evidence, you provided nothing
>>223790494I prefer it over dishonest animation.
>>223793019Nothing can be “shit compared to live action”. Japanese live action series are the absolute zero of shit recognized by physicists across the world. It's a specific kind of TV entertainment program where you get idols and other media personalities to recite lines of some work in front of the camera, and call it an adaptation. What actually happens on screen does not matter.
it's jarring to see a stylised character moving in a natural way
>>223794190>Western acting>mumbling with monotonous delivery
>>223794580retard. I said it LOOKS better not that it's better
>>223794822You probably also believe that Hulk Hogan LOOKS better than Aku no Hana, but that's irrelevant.
>>223790672The only ugly part is faces. The animation is pretty.
>>223795686every one said so retard, the anime was shit on everywhere on the internet
>>223796862You should be using Facebook if you follow what everyone does.Who can be so stupid to unironically rely on shitposting?
>>223797367if everyone is against you, you should check yourself
>>223791110>Japs are notoriously bad actors.Headcanon. Stop having as a parameter low quality live actions.
Why would I watch a shitty rotoscope when I read the manga?
>>223794190>Acting is meant for western people.You are exaggerating now. As an Italian O could say Americans can't act, because they don't sound expressive at all. American movies look good only when they are dubbed to me. I hope you understand what I mean. Acting perception is influenced by culture.
>>223790791What's with the hate with this one? Unironically looks good
>>223799991>O could say Americans can't actI*
>>223799991Examplehttps://youtu.be/q1TT-F4_o9cItalians commenting this one are praising the Italian voice actor (Giancarlo Giannini) more than Nicholson. For us Italians, our voice actors are better than American actors, this is why we prefer the dub.
>>223790693most early disney films were rotoscoped, if that provides any reference to how good it COULD be
>>223792255ping pong makes asian people look like asians, but also >>223792517
>>223800028are you blind anon
>>223800863No, I'm not. There's nothing wrong with that scene, it's smooth but doesn't stand out, the movements have the characteristic motions of 2D animation, the faces are all traditional art so there's no uncanny valley, etc. It's a good shot for what it is.
>>223800028they're moving way too much. normal people don't move nearly that much when they are just sitting and talking. it look unnatural
>>223800811an average actress is way better looking than an average woman, an anime character should not be ugly
>>223792300>again that midframeUse finally something different.
>>223801614>I'm autistic at the table so nobody acts like thatTry going to a pub or nice bar once in while anon
>>223790494Because it is ugly
>>223801172Anon, you are blind.
>>223799312You should really post that on Facebook.
>>223790945then why does the manga doesn't look bad?
>>223792856when I was in tokyo there was a lot of good looking girls. There are probably more good looking asians than americans, both in numbers and %. Since americells are like 80% fat
Aku no Hana was the only exception to this. Artsy shit can make use of it well. Otherwise rotoscoping is lazy gook nigger cost cutting horseshit. I actually think it added to the melancholy atmosphere of this particular anime.
>>223803669go back to Facebook if you care about it so much
>>223803860surgery will do that, just like in korea, surgery reigns supreme
>>223804003kek see who is higher than Japan
>>223801614her parents (?) are nodding slightly and she's sperging out because she's an excited kid at a dinner table, then the dad hugs her. granted I don't know the context, but it looks normal to me.
I like posting Inoue and Okiura webms because retards always think it's rotoscoped.
>>223793781Man I love this girl, wish she ruined my life
>>223801614this could work with twice the fps
>>223790791I don’t think that’s rotoscoping, looks like just a poor attempt at animating with realism. It doesn’t look that bad though, just kind of weird
>>223800028CRAPPA shills please leave
>>223790494Rotoscoping is a tool in the toolbox, shouldn't have the whole production based on it. Then, it's just as gimmicky as early 2000's 3-D with the red-blue cardboard glasses.
>>223805122It looks like rotoscoping but imo it doesn't look as egregious as:>>223801614It's just super jarring/uncanny valley. I'm okay with using budget saving animation techniques (Eva, Madoka Magica) if the studio makes up for it and puts extra budget elsewhere but between the rotoscoping and CG titans/3d maneuver gear it's just subpar across the board.
>>223804041>Thailand>That lowThat's clearly only licensed procedures kek
>>223790494I don't, I hate Aku no hana.
>>223790494>>223790494Animation is about exaggeration and stylization. Even realism in animation has some degree of stylization to it. Not just the form of the characters, but also their motion (squashing, tweening, etc).Rotoscoping typically eschews all of that. When I watch something rotoscoped, it often feels like I should just be watching a live action instead. Rotoscoping can be done well, especially if it's light touch, but it's often just a cost-cutting measure that ends up looking terrible.
>>223806475I think part of it is that the 3D models are badly posed. Look at his damn wrist when he has it on the girl's shoulder, what kind of angle is that?
>>223792610it's incredible how racist people really are, anime wouldn't be so popular if the characters actually looked Japanese instead of white.
Aku no hana deserved better
>>223807133>it's racist to dislike ugly artGo back and stop inserting your 3dpd cancerous faggot world view into 2d. Thanks.
>>223807339>ugly artYou're unirocncially calling Japs ugly mate. Aku no Hana is probably the most racially accurate portrayal of the Japanese in regards to anime.
>>223804096i dont know how best to explain it but its all just off slightly, the way that they move their torsos seems unnatural>>223805030>>223805122i agree the table its terrible, its just a good example of how rotoscoping can look wrong even in a simple scene>>223806475same, when rotoscoping and CGI is done properly and incorporated into the animation style it can actually look quite good. its a shame its so rare
>>223803994Your bold replies are going to get you a lot of likes, and even a round of applause there. Here they are just laughable. Make a wise choice.
>>223790494I don't. I like Aku no Hana's animation because I'm a pretentious cunt who is fascinated by anything weird or outside of the norm but it's not appealing to the eye by any means, but I believe that's just because of how it was done rather than the act of rotoscoping itself. The attempt at drawing realistic faces while not otherwise having too much detail in them gives viewers either an uncomfortable uncanny valley effect or the feeling that you're just watching a live action film that was arbitrarily (and poorly) drawn over.I'm surprised nobody has brought up the Chika dance yet. I thought that was some decent rotoscoping. I remember people even arguing about whether it was CG or not.
>>223790945the manga did not look like that
>>223790791It looked great in Snow White and the Seven Dwarves, though.