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>nice people are just faking it
Do you agree?
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>>219929736
never met a nice person
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>>219929834
fpbp
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>>219929736
vast vast majority
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>>219929736
She's just a cunt who's projecting. Truly the worst girl.
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>>219929736
No. A lot of them are, probably most, but every once in a while you come across someone who is truly kind hearted.
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It's true for women
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>>219929736
Yeah at least in Japanland
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>>219930393
>says the school shooting country
Kek
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>>219929736
Knowing how to behave in different situations is not being fake.
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>>219930641
what does tatemae have to do with burgerland school shootings
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Better to fake being nice than openly be an asshole.
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What people do is more important than what they think.
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Just passing by to appreciate Hitagi.

Cya
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>>219929736
Probably cause it's easier for social interactions
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>>219930838
wrong
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>>219929834
what about ur mom anon
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>>219931034
You must be nice on parties.
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>>219929736
Yes, everyone puts a persona and behaves. That's how you manage to live in society
Imagine the world otherwise if everyone was honest and calling each others retards
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>>219931169
Shut up retard.
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>>219931380
See? This is what I mean.
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>>219931169
If you become homeless you are allowed to do this
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>>219931169
>everyone puts a persona

Cope. I don't. And not saying certain things doesn't equate to "putting a persona". It's called self control
and respect. A persona means acting in a way that's not true to yourself. If your true self feels like being
an asshole to everyone, so you need to put a persona, you're just fucked in the head.
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>>219929736
No, nice people do nice things because they feel good doing it as a lot of the times nice actions tend to be reciprocated with some level of positive response. I hold the door for people and they usually give me a smile and a thanks when all i did was hold a light door and waste some seconds of my time.

However if they start getting punished or suffer multiple times thanks to their niceness they will stop, like if they get robbed when letting a person sleep on their house or getting shit on for holding the door like i mentioned earlier.

Nice people arent faking it, they are just doing for small rewards and are frivolous about it.
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>>219929736
What's the difference between putting on an act and being sincere? It accomplishes the same thing.
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>>219929736
Nah, I'm genuinely nice to people unless they are rude or disrespectful without reason.
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The series doesn't have a problem with "fakeness" (being deliberate, intentional). It seems more skeptical of innateness.
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>>219929736
I don't care.
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>>219929736
Yes, unless they're dumb airheads, if a dumb person is nice they may be sincere. Someone who isn't an idiot, can't be nice, because kindness is an easily exploitable weakness. If people are nice, despite knowing all the downsides it represents, they're fucking saints, there are no such people in the world.
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I usually try to be courteous, honorable and sincere to people
Unless if I truly dont like your ass or you threaten me
In which I will ignore you, tell you to fuck off or kill you
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>>219929736
>I'm a mean cunt therefore everyone must be a mean cunt
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No, that's a psychopath projecting their psychopathy onto others.
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No, I'm nice because i want good karma and other people to treat me nice too
it's a mutualistic symbiotic
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>>219929736
What do you think nice means? It's in the definition that you're faking it.
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>>219933402
Every time I help someone on impulse instead of expecting something in return, something bad but unrelated happens later.
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>>219931059
Female niceness is shallow and fake.
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>>219931132
You must be go back to red dit holy shit
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>>219929736
Yes. Not because nice people don't exist, but because nice people quickly learn to pretend not to care as a defense mechanism. Anybody who's visibly nice all the time is just pretending in the other direction.
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>>219934271
Are you ok? I am legit worried about you.
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>>219931694
>A persona means acting in a way that's not true to yourself.
Wrong, a persona can be a means through which one can express their true self.
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Daily reminder that there is no "true self". Your self-censorship processes are also part of yourself. The mask is what's real. The mask is what matters. The mask is what exists in the reality of others. You exist to shape a mask worth being. When you die only the memory of the mask will remain.
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>>219934924
No? Since that would be against the definition of a persona.
That's like saying that people put masks on to express their face to others.
It's antithetical to the meaning of a persona.
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>>219935228
I disagree, the mask is needed but its not you, which is why this place is great, it lets you be what you are, formalities not involved and what people truly look for in relations, someone who you dont have to mask yourself for, not fake conditional connection, but true and unadulterated connection.
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>>219929736
Yes
I'm a good example
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>>219935809
>put masks on to express their face to others
They can and do.
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>>219935809
>Since that would be against the definition of a persona.
No
>That's like saying that people put masks on to express their face to others.
Yes
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>>219929736
More true than not but I've met genuinely nice people before and it disturbs me on a personal level like it's some healing hurts the undead shit.
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>>219935845
People can bee themselves here because they have anonymity to hide behind.
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>>219935940
>>219936034

No they don't. They might put on a mask to express how they'd like their face to look like. But nobody
puts a mask on to express their face exactly. Its like you can't be telling the truth, if you're lying in order
to communicate that truth.
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>>219929736
No. I am, though. This is a projection.
Also, this >>219930838
Being civil is a basis for human interaction. Who wants to interact with an asshole?
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>>219936243
Yep, the biggest "mask" gives us the least amount of "true" masks, funny how that works, so when a connection is made here you know its more real than anything in the real world.
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Being nice even when you don't feel like it is pretty nice thing to do.
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>>219936351
>Who wants to interact with an asshole?
Other assholes.
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>>219929834
fpbp
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>>219936034
>butchering oscar wilde
You retards never fail to impress
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>>219936467
Not even them.
>>219934128
I helped an old woman who fell to get into her house some time ago. She had a heavy bag and she had trouble walking.
A police officer had stopped me and told me that she is probably from the psychiatric ward nearby and her story about her home being nearby is made up.
It wasn't.
Nothing came from it.
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>>219936310
>But nobody puts a mask on to express their face exactly
They better express what they couldn't or wouldn't express without the mask. Their 'real' face is itself a mask, as it's expressing something contrary to the truth.
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what even is a nice person anyway? someone that is selfless? no one is truly selfless anyways because it's pretty destructive in the long run.
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>>219936807
>Not even them.
See you say that but I'm someone who enjoys talking with other assholes. It's why I come here.
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>>219929736
Braindead take
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>>219936895
>See you say that but I'm someone who enjoys talking with other assholes. It's why I come here.
>wait a second this isn't talking
>this is anal sex
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>>219936850
No such thing as a "nice" or "not nice" person because that reduces people down to a level too small to accurately represent a person.
Monogatari strangely enough actually points this out during Hanamonogatari with the best scene from the arc.
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>>219936695
Thanks, sorry you can't impress because being retarded is natural for you.
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>>219936958
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>>219929736
Test
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>>219936895
>other assholes
This lot? Are you kidding me?
A few edgy jokes don't make one an asshole.
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>>219936958
Ultimately we're both getting fucked but at least one of us is going to have to be on top.
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>>219929736
it takes a nice person to fake being nice enough that you're still going out of your way to help people even if you're talking shit about them the whole time in your head. thats still way more effort than your average person puts into being nice
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>>219937035
Not everyone is joking about some of the stuff they say, anon. For every shitposter like us, there is someone who doesn't actually get the joke.
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>>219929736
what would you say is a nice person?
semantics aside, most of them are probably faking it but I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing, as long as they stay honest to themselves. I can feel there are some legit nice people though.
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>>219935845
I think that human is not a singular entity. It's moke akin to a loosely tied hive mind with the shared memory pool.
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>>219936840
>Their 'real' face is itself a mask, as it's expressing something contrary to the truth
This is such a pretentious and roundabout way of speaking. That's just succumbing to social pressures, which applies to people's opinions and ego as well.

>>219937009
>no u
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>>219929736
>Do you agree?
Kuchinawa agrees.
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>>219937492
>This is such a pretentious and roundabout way of speaking.
>no u :p
>That's just succumbing to social pressures, which applies to people's opinions and ego as well.
And that doesn't entail wearing a persona?
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>>219929736
Fake it until you make it.
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>>219938123
>small number of abstract principles
begone rationalist
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>>219930641
>school shooting country
at least they don't pretend to be nice
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>>219938248
>t. still on stage 4
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>>219929736
I'm not 14 so no
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>>219937937
People are more easily influenced when they don't have anonymity. How they present themselves and what they think will influence each other. Anyways, that's beside the point.

See >>219934924 >>219936034 where anonymity causing people to lose their filter is conflated with a persona because Oscar Wilde used the word 'mask'. Then >>219936840 quotes a reference to 'mask' in the persona sense and describes it as in the new, fabricated anonymity sense. Then calls non-anonymity itself a mask.
It's convoluted nonsense to argue around an extremely simple point.
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>>219930838
If you make a strawman example, sure.
In general, it depends on the level of fakery and the level of assholery.
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>>219936850
It's idiotic to suggest that "nice" requires one to be totally selfless.
>>219936998
It is retarded to think that an adjective is useless if it doesn't completely describe a person. "Fat" doesn't tell you everything about a person either, but some people are still fat.
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>>219929736
no.
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>>219929736
Faking what? Having an orgasm?
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>>219939980
>It's their fault I am fuckup who ends up having expectations out of nowhere
>I hate them because I'm a loser
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>>219939016
The difference is that fat is a physical trait that we can see and make objective judgments on. Whether someone is nice or not nice is entirely impossible to judge because someone could be nice to you and a cunt to someone else and it's unlikely one person swings drastically to one side or the other.
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>>219929736
Mostly yes, but most people are just faking it anyway
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>>219930838
I'd rather an honest asshole than an insidious, two-faced "nice" person
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>>219940438
That's literally what he's saying though
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>>219929736
Yes.
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>>219929736
That's not very genuine of you.
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>>219940517
>personalities aren't physical so they aren't real
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>>219929834
You never went outside
>>219929736
There are some legit nice people. I've met a dude who was so polite that I legitimately can't believe he would ever even hit a fly.
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>>219940633
And people worshipping him on this board, for that.
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>>219940826
Personalities aren't physical so they cannot be accurately measured. Just because you're being sarcastic to me doesn't mean you're a nice or not nice person, personalities aren't black and white.
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>>219929736
only women
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>>219936958
my sides
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>>219931501
Yeah and it produces some of the finest arguments on earth.
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>>219940953
>if you can't precisely measure something there shouldn't be a word for it
You're an autist and an imbecile.
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>>219929736
No. That's retarded cope for assholes. There's lines that I find difficult to cross even in video games or seeing it in media.
If I can balk at fictitious acts of spite then someone who can't even manage to do it for their fellows can suck my dick and stop projecting.
Depends what neccesitates nice though. Regardless of definition there's ultimately plenty of people who are naturally inclined towards that behaviour even if my own internal rules don't coincinde.
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>>219931169
>misunderstanding the concept of personae
Kek'd and rekt. The true self is immaterial and can only be interpreted through archetypes of self be they supressed shadows or sought after personae. You are what you pretend to be and what you fear you might be. There is no singular self in practice or at least certainly not in any meaningful and interactive sense. The self is ALWAYS circumstancial. The persona is the truth. The mask becomes an avatar, a common language with the world - it is not something that is hidden behind.
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>>219941251
>anon literally cannot comprehend the fact people are more complex than binary statements
I know it's hard for you to understand that some things aren't basic enough to be divided into nice, neat categories.
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Nice people are always faking it, but good people are often nice
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>>219929736
>caring what a woman says
While I'm sure plenty are, part of her entire character is that she pretends to know everything but at the end of the day is just some dumb teenager.
And I suppose in Japan there is an extra amount of that too.
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>>219941645
You're too autistic to understand that categories aren't supposed to be definitions.
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>>219941958
You could change my statement to definitions and it would still ring true. A person can be a nice/not nice at a given moment but it's not representative of who they are as a whole.
How about this. Do you consider yourself an asshole or a nice person, anon?
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>>219936958
So this is the power of /a/'s dialectic. Truly impressive.
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>>219942143
>it's not representative of who they are as a whole
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO. Why the fuck do you think this invalidates the concept?
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>>219929736
I blame society
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>>219942418
Oh I see. We've been arguing about two different things. You've been arguing about the basic statement of "This person is an asshole/nice" from your limited perspective as a human observer while I'm arguing from a observer perspective of judging a person as a whole as the combined result of their thoughts and actions.
Yeah if you see someone be a fuckwit and think to yourself "That person is a fuckwit" then yeah that's fair.
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>>219942452
In which we live in.
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>>219935228
LOL no, you're a retard, you can't even fucking mask it, that's you in essence.

Back to the topic, people can act "nice" but if they're not sincere it means that they aren't nice people, that's not their "true self". Can someone be nice in essence or is everyone faking it? There are some sincere people out there, so nice humans are real. However, being nice and sincere is hardly a positive thing, nice people are idiots. In this world, we deal with either idiots or liars.
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>>219941887
>part of her entire character is that she pretends to know everything but at the end of the day is just some dumb teenager.
B-but crabfags told me her character is good and not boring at all precisely because she's supposed to be mature and wise!
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>>219929736
Being friendly is free and being nice gives me the feels good chemicals
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I don't know what she means by nice
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>>219929834
/thread
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>>219942665
>I'm arguing from a observer perspective of judging a person as a whole
That's the thing that doesn't exist.
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>>219937035
Well according to this thread you're either a nice person or you're an asshole.
Is /a/ nice people?
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>>219939980
I don't get it is it still ironic here? Is the show making fun of 8man who is also making fun of himself?
I fucking hate this show, everything is covered in so much irony you just stop caro,g about it and lose interest, kinda ironic with all the "muh genuine" speech
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Being a nice person is, well...nice

I admit, I fake being nice to some people every now and then to get a desired reaction, (appearing empathic to influence someone seeking sympathy, scratch your back scratch my back arrangements, being generous so that I'll be perceived as kind), but i think one of the benefits of being an actual nice person, is that it's easier to sleep at night knowing that if someone's does wanna hurt you, it isn't because you threw the first stone. Also, choosing to be nice when it's easier to be mean is kinda empowering. It's like taking pride in your ability to be more than just being about yourself.
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>>219929736
No. Genuinely good people do exists. Even if not everyone who is "nice" behaves so genuinely.
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>>219929736
as a nice person i disagree, i am nice because i have an urge to make people's day better, to be one of the reasons they appreciate life, and also because i expect people to be kind to me too, who ever made this statement should have reflected on his thoughts before making such a wild pretentious statement.
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>>219929736
No, I'm not an 3deep5u jap incel
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>>219934197
I am sorry you had a shitty mother, anon.
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It's just easier and feels better to be generally nice. There are limits of course, but I dont really care even if someone takes advantage of the fact a bit. I'll do basically any favor someone asks without expecting something in return as long as it doesnt effect me in a bad way. Like at work I'll always help people if they ask, as long as I'm able to get my own work done. I honestly dont get people who don't do small nice things like holding doors open, helping to pick stuff up that people drop, taking a bit of time to give directions to someone that asks, small things like that.



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