Slime or spider?
>>214469224Slime easily, water drops from leaves can drown spiders by surface tension
the spider anime sucks
>>214469224Slime was bad from the beginning but I knew it was irredeemable garbage when the slime turned into a loli.
Spider is superior. More cute, more fun. Spider's series stops being fun after a half dozen of volumes.Slime's is boring from the first volume.
>>214470511only correct choice
>>214469321I just compared ep1 to the manga. The anime doesn't show any of his previous life or even establish him as a NEET with Agoraphobia and performance anxiety. It's just "I'm in a new world and can do magic. Cool!" So when the tutor shows up, saying they'll work outside, there's no context for his hesitation. Or anything that's suggested he's never stepped outside or was afraid too.
>>214469224Can the spider turn into a cute little sort-of-androgynous-but-not-really girly boy?No?Then the winner is obvious.
>SlimeOh, you died kisslesss virgin at 30 by truck reincarnated as a human? Here is your free reincarnation with all your knowledge intact, two super powerfull skills, one of which will tell you what to do to not fuck up and other will allow you to swallow literally the most powerful being in the world that is conveniently sitting in your dungeon. Oh you dont wanna do anything and you're gonna sit tight in your village? Dont worry, we'll send plot devices to you so you wont even have to think or act on your own.That all happens in episode one for fucks sake. Even his "slime" form lasts only for like 10 episodes. His target audience is "I wish it was me" neets/npcs.>SpiderOh you died because god fucked up? Well fuck you, you are gong to reincarnate in the high level dungeon and fight for your live as CG low tier spider, this is not a fucking charity. Wanna create a neet home? This is perfectly fine, but expect intruders from time to time. Oh, you cant fight them? Its your decision what to do. Enjoy being the fucking spider.Kumoko has survival kino and she has goal. She also grows as a character. This may be not the best anime or not very good (depending on perception) but at least it has objectivly good structure and its not another "I isekai'd and I'm op?!" power fantasy.
>>214469224>Most OP: Slime>Best character: Spider>Best story: Spider
>>214472254Based. Also thank you for expanding my spider folder.
>>214469224they're both the same derivative trash, why does it matter?
>>214472254This, Wish fullfilment isekai will never have the protagonist faced with sheer terror like picrel because that wouldn't be a power fantasy.
>>214472700>>214472254Fuck you gookmoot let me post spider.
>>214472254>Good Job, comrade Spider! Our communist party just sent you 3 meal tickets for speaking out against the bourgeois! Remember, always use up resources of others and give any you obtain to us! Good luck, comrade!
>>214472825I serve the spider union.
>>214469224I hate slime drop monsters so fucking much. They look so stupid and boring.
>>214472979I simply love how the multiple limbs allow for several expressions at once
Spider is a lot better. It actually avoids jumping the shark until They give the MC immortality and kill the stakes . Slime jumps the shark almost immediately.
>>214473473Mangafag I presume? After she exits the Labyrinth the skill becomes useless, because almost every enemy she faces afterwards has a way of bypassing it.
>>214473473It’s earlier than that. When she bought pride, she became a God.
>>214473473>Slime jumps the shark almost immediately.It doesn't though.
>>214473473>>214473930I think immortality was played exactly correctly. It's a reward for risking her life for so long, but has severe limitations, and almost immediately she faces creatures that can kill even immortal creatures so she has to go even further beyond the basic skill to make her own version of it, and then she loses it altogether anyway as the series does a genre shift.The real jump the shark moment was fighting UFOs anyway.The only downside to that portion of the story is that it slows down tremendously to allow infodumps and side character development and unfortunately the author didn't write a lot of development for kumo during that time. The upside is that kumo's internal dialogue is still funny so while it's a low point in the story it's still worth reading.
>>214474282No, she didn't become a god when she bought pride. That's like saying the vamp loli is a god.>>214474307How is absorbing the huge dragon not jumping the shark? As a "reincarnated as a monster and have to level up to survive" story, it's absolutely jumping the shark. As a "city and politics simulator with a thin pretense of being reincarnated as a monster for asspulls whenever the author writes himself into a corner", it's okay, but only barely.
The spider manga is fucking terrible. is the anime any better?
Do spider have pusspuss?
>>214474623Depends. Anime adapts a B-plot that the manga skipped. Spider plot remains the same but it has a faster pace. Monster CGI is hit-or-miss. MC's CGI is surprisingly good. Humans are not drawn like shit. New episode every week instead of every two months.
>>214471325Psssst psssssst it’s in episode 2 anon. Episode 2
>>214475144I find you guilty of being unholy
>>214474564>How is absorbing the huge dragon not jumping the shark?A huge dragon that's still imprisoned. Where's the "jumping the shark" part here?>As a "reincarnated as a monster and have to level up to survive" story, it's absolutely jumping the shark.Oh no, (You)r assumptions didn't come true, it's the series' fault that your delusions aren't real, right?>As a "city and politics simulator with a thin pretense of being reincarnated as a monster for asspulls whenever the author writes himself into a corner", it's okay, but only barely.The author didn't write himself into a corner. While the anime as an adaptation has some issues due to leaving some information and messing up a little with certain elements related to the Orc Disaster battle, there are no plot inconsistencies otherwise.
>>214469224Slime is boring as fuck Gary Stu ride.
>>214475639>A huge dragon that's still imprisoned. Where's the "jumping the shark" part here?No slime should be able to absorb a huge dragon and gain access to his mana pool no matter how high level it is, period. It's jumping the shark. Don't take it personally dude, the writing is just trash.
>>214475396he's a skele y would he need a throat?
>>214476893aqua is dumb
>>214472254>ts not another "I isekai'd and I'm op?!" power fantasy.I dunno, I still think she wins most encounters too easily.
>>214475144>getting completely dominated by a literal retard with a huge butt.Embarassing
>>214477245She almost dies several times. My only complaint is "OH MY LEVEL UP" but that is somewhat relatable so it gets a pass.
>>214470911>loliMuch as I hate pedoshit, that still would’ve been an improvement over the tranny-pandering androgynous abomination that we got.
>>214473930She literally jumped over a shark after Ariel blew her up.
>>214469224is the spider one any good?it looks like its getting shit on
>>214477748It’s pretty fun until she leaves the dungeon, then your mileage will vary.
>>214477748By isekai standards it's exceptional. An awesome protagonist, a very good story that gets better the more it reveals its true colors, a strong supporting cast with interesting character interactions. Whether you'll like it will mainly depend on whether you'll like the MC because she's on her own for the first arc. The anime is hit-or-miss on the cgi department and it's currently on episode 1. Whether the adaptation will be good or not is uncertain.
Spider is great until she stops being a spider. It also drops off a bit after taboo happens.
>>214476599>No slime should be able to absorb a huge dragon...uhm, and why is that? In the first place it wasn't the dragon he absorbed. But rather the cage itself said dragon was trapped in.>access to his mana poolHe doesn't. The only exception to that is for naming and even that is severly limited.>It's jumping the shark.No it's not.
>>214471788She can turn into a mass murdering psycho onee-san, which makes Kumo-chan the automatic winner over that faggot pedo slime.
>>214478859The webnovel is still fun after she leaves the cave. I heard the LN changed a ton of shit though.
>>214469224I like spider better already. slime never faces repercussions for his actions so his story is boring as fuck.
Spider all the way
>>214469224that spider looks fucking awful compared to the manga
>>214479422>Manga betterlolNot with that last evolution looking like a bee. It's supposed to be an undead spider.
>>214472254Thanks for the quick rundown. I'll go with slime, thanks.
>>214469224At least the slime becomes cute. There's no way you could fuck a spider.
>>214469224Spider because it doesn't pander to selfinserters and she has much more character
>>214472254Based. That's why I don't like the slime, all this happy go lucky shit.
>>214477501She almost always wins doesn't experience any large set backs. High stakes don't mean anything if they never happen.
>>214472254Plus she has an actionable plan to kill everyone on the planet and is absolutely going to go through with it unless someone stops her. Of course not before removing the (((Elves))) from existence first.
>>214478859>stops being a spiderOh goddammit. It might remain tolerable if she doesn’t go beyond that hybrid thing I’ve seen posted here and there (is there a name for that species/race? looks like a ripoff of that Monmusu spidergirl) but I’m out if she goes full humanoid like Slime.
>>214480620They show it in the opening
>>214480620It's called Arachne. Driders have existed since 1977, monster girls didn't invent them.She gets a complete humanoid form much later. Even when she does, she still has 10 eyes, sleeps in a web, and eats people.And she resummons the spider legs when she gets serious.
>>214472254Based! I fucking hate how slime always gets shit handed to him on a silver platter. The shit with 0% death ratio due to reasons undisclosed is where I dropped it, although i should’ve dropped even sooner when slime becomes a tranny
>>214481399the only reason I wanted to watch spider is that one side character who got reincarnated as a woman.
>>214475144>Author got burned by chapter 14 and decided to wrap it up quickly despite of the insane worldbuilding being planned for decades
>>214481473Man of culture
>>214481612That's a shame, yeah. His setting ould easily support twice as many novels.
>>214476893>>214477171Ainz is grimacing because the now uncomfortable social situation he's been put in, also probably wondering how mad Albedo will get
Slime is the superior androgynous/trap self-insert.
>>214481140>And she resummons the spider legs when she gets serious.thank you based anon, i was on the verge of dropping after vol 7
A good anime
>>214477501rimuru almost dies in his first encounter with the swordswoman too, so I don't see what you're trying to say here.slime has no stakes but spider just has imaginary stakes.
WN Spider > LN Spider > Manga Slime > Anime Slime > Manga Spider > Anime SpiderThe cutesy look and visual gags killed Kumo for meHaven't read Slime novel
>>214483051Sorry, I dropped anime when they turned badass oni into generic humansWhich swordwoman are you talking? Slime literally had no hardships before I dropped.
>>214480441>doesn't experience any large set backsLike the ones where she loses her eye, losses her home or left with so low hp she couldn't hunt? Yeah, those are not large.
anime spider is 3dpd
>>214480441>doesn't experience any large set backsDid we read the same fuckin' book? Nearly gets beat to death multiple times, has her home ruined multiple timesThen once she becomes strong enough that survival isn't an issue, she stops being the POV character
>>214480441>doesn't experience any large set backs.Literally the first time she kills humans was triggered for the trauma of loosing her home.And later even when she's already a god she still doesn't want anything to do with the monkeys
>>214469224wait those are different shows?
>>214471788>>214477523Every thread, there are always several insecure fags whining about muh trannies when it's clearly just an excuse to have Rimuru motorboating tits all day and to let him into the girls' bath. It's pretty sad.
>>214483831he wasn't in the girls bath last episode and also what was up with the smaller slimes in the bath?
>>214483831He could be motorboating tits without a humanoid form at all.
>>214480584>kill everyone on the planetShe's only killing half of everyone on the planet you idito.
>>214469224Anything that's not slime
>>214484327Isn't that only happening if they don't use skill eraser?
>>214477748Hard to say because it has the obvious flaws what comes from the genre, but even the gaming orgasm is not as obnoxious. It's one of those no middle grounders, you either like it or you don't. If you like the MC's persona you'll probably like it.
>>214484385She needs to kill half of the planet to get enough energy to deactivate thr System.From the half that survived those with a lot skill or high stats will most likely die when loosing their skills.Considering that the half that survived was the one that won the war then most of them are going to be fairly strong.
>>214469224The authors seem to be friends, considering the fact that they made collabs beyond the bounds of their respective companies for the 3 different media.
should I read spider instead of waiting on episodes?
>>214469224cats and dogs>Dog Days aired 10 years ago
Why are people talking like more than a single episode of the anime is out?
>>214486787Because it's an adaptation.
Will the spider become humanoid in the animu?
>>214469224I propose an intellectual option C choice.............a slime spider!
>>214471325manga was limited compared to the web novel, and the anime seemed better than that at least
>>214487066Possibly at the end of the last episode of the season.
>>214481612what happened in chapter 14?
>>214471325The manga is fucking trash, people who say that its good are probably legit autists
>>214469224I wanna stick my dick in both.
>>214485667YesIt’s written like shit though
>>214472254Well I just watched that anime based on this comment and the first episode was shit.What am I doing with my life?
I know drawing a detailed spider monster over and over is hard (not that it matters since they went the CG route in the anime) but making Kumo a kawaii cartoon was a mistake. The WN is fun because of the juxtaposition of the bug maneating spider monster talking about her routine murder like she’s a bubbly JK. It’s not as fun to have a bubbly cartoon making the same statements.
>>214487905spider seems like a decent anime for isekai. slime had an interesting first episode but it wasted it's potential.
>>214487905Read the WN instead
>>214487905Highly depends on whatever or not you like main characterI'm talking from LN expirence, first episode of anime wasnt super good or bad and Aoi can be annoying at times. Plus half of episode is boring humans.It gets better but you dont have to watch it if you dislike protag/cg
>>214487075I didn't like the last time I saw someone combine a slime and spidergirl.
>>214487411he got burned out and only want to write a few more volumes
>>214488118>>214488184>>214488444Yeah Slime indeed had an interesting premise and then fell off a cliff. But, man, this first episode was obnoxious. The CG and ADD-like structure was fairly distracting.
>>214469224I liked Slime's first episode much more. But the episodes became rather boring.
>>214488879It's a "welcome back to season 2 our ADHD viewers / welcome to season 2 new viewers" recap episode. If you want to complain about pacing / episode structure, do it next week.
>>214488971he wasn't complaining about slime. slime already fell off the cliff. he's complaining about spider.
>>214485186I don't get the pointless war between the two fanbases, even though it's mostly one sided because slime barely has fans on /a/. Personally, I think they're both really good. But I think /a/'s problems with slime are mostly because the first season of the anime was kind of a shit adaptation and the story in the WN/LN significantly improved past what they adapted.The best thing about the slime anime was that the animation was halfway decent, and looks even better in season 2. Shame about the cg in spider though.
>>214491489It's mainly because Kumo fans are insecure about their series being called "a Slime ripoff"
>>214470046As does the spider novels.The manga is only good because it does it’s own thing.
>>214472254>First life Sucks>Second Life even more sucks>3rd Life start on hard core mode with 3 curse and a race that hated by anyone on that EmpireTough life
>>214492172>nobody dies after he can crawlTough life my ass.
>>214492319His mother died tho?
>>214488832>>214487411he didn't just get burned out, he got pissy because people were pirating his volumes and went on a rant about wrapping it up so people can't keep stealing
>>214492375He was stuck in the crib the whole time.
>>214491489>trust me guys it gets really good at episode 131I'm so sick of hearing this shit.
>>214472254>Oh, you died kisslesss virgin at 30 by truck reincarnated as a human?Slime dies by stabbing, what you're describing is Mushoku TenseiSpider manga is based tho
>>214492172MC raising an undead army and killing bandits at 3 months old ruins it for me. For fuck's sake they could've at least let him grow up to 8 or something, this isn't even shota but toddlercon. And then I heard he makes my favorite girl get pregnant with someone else, fuck this author.
>>214492425>he got pissy because people were pirating his volumes and went on a rant about wrapping it up so people can't keep stealingEverything gets pirated. You should only care if you aren’t making enough money to continue. And even then, shit like patreons can make you so much more money than just sales.
>>214492425What a cunt
>>214492425Doesn't Overlord sells like hotcakes anyways?
>>214492867Konosuba's author(I think?) said that people pirating his volumes actually increased his sales due to PR and some people buying them anyways after pirating>>214493017Maru is a fucking cunt, Overlord is based on his DnD game where everyone left after some time too.
>>214470911>implying Rimaru isn't a loli and shota at the same time
>>214492867that was after the evileye story not vol 14
>>214492425It's his own fault for being a retard about the Evileye spinoff.
>>214492090Extreme shit taste detected
>>214483655>she stops being the POV characterDroppedJust finish her story idgaf about monkeys
>>214472254This kills the Slimeshits, based anon.
>>214493773The novels focus too much on generic isekai shit.
>>214493431Anon, he doesn't even have a butthole. That is even confirmed.
>>214491934I thought Kumo's author even admitted that Slime was a major source of inspiration. I mean Slime's author did the same thing but with Overlord, there's no shame in admitting when you're ripping off of someone as long as the result is good.
>>214492425Huh... if you think about it that explains why Maru's self-insert exterminated an entire country just because some rando stole some grains from him.
>>214494150If you stick your dick between his asscheeks there's gonna be a hole there whether there already was one or not.
Which one could cure Boneman's depression from lack of friends?
>>214494300>some randoPhilip is literally the best character
>>214494387He's a slime anon, you can stick your dick anywhere and it'll go in.
>>214494541It will also dissolve...
>>214494541Don't tell footfags.
>>214483723Man, she is so cute.
>>214494530Definitely not the spider. Having the two of them in the same room would be about as awkward as it gets.
>>214493939It's still her story she's just the antagonist
>>214494661>Ainz: I just want friends>Kumo: I literally cannot think of anything I want less than interaction with another sentient being
Slime but not that slime.
>>214479274>only 1 pair of pupils
>>214495148Look closer, dummy.
>>214494530If i were on Ains place I'd take either one, honestly. Even passive-abusive relationship with Shiro is fine as long you are not alone.
>>214495389I dunno. It feels like Shiro would just disappear into Nazarick somewhere and he'd never find her again.
>>214495528Nah, she had some active role in demon castle (to her protest). I think with Nazarick it will be the same, you can always track her by missing food anyway.>>214495148Her real "eyes" are those yellow dots in iris.
>>214495696I thought they'd look like 4 irises within the iris. That doesn't look abnormal at all.
>>214495900That's just a static image. If she can move then at will like in the novel then it sill creepy.
>>214495696>you can always track her by missing food anyway.His family is becoming smaller and smaller.
>>214469224Overall spider because in the story she has to struggle a lot more then the slime. I know that she eventually gets over powered but this takes a lot longer then the slime that just has to eat his dragon friend.
>>214472254basically what you're saying isSlime = DCSpider = Marvel
>>214496880Made to be bred by ojisans
>>214492172>>214492680I hate how manga authors always find a way to make sure their protagonist remains a virgin even though there are extremely attractive woman that want to fuck them.Like I drew this tall, tan skinned, gorgeous and busty chick whose thirsty as fuck but I can't have my protagonist have sex/ form a relationship like a normal human being. I guess I'll make him a baby so he can't have sex for the entirety of the manga and then have him wait in world an additional 14-18 years after the story is canonically finished.
>>214497150go watch redo of healer, he is not a virgin
>>214497150This shit weirds me out too. Not only is it annoying to read, I feel like it's real unhealthy for developing teens and shit to read and it's going to implant longstanding ideas about being "proper" to the point of absurdity that they're going to have to overcome later in life.>>214497671There's gotta be a line between "blushing virgin protecting his chastity" and "literal rapist"
>>214471325Did you want them to interrupt every small moment with a monologue bricking you over the head with mundane dialogue?
>>214469224Which one would you? not human form.
>>214497150Not everyone's a third-worlder who sticks it in everything that moves. Sometimes Japanese guys want to get to a know a girl before doing it.
>>214497671I read that one but that's kind of the opposite side of the spectrum. He was getting raped for power ups and then he himself raped his rapists for vengeance. That's a big difference then having a harem of hot girls wanting you not for your power but they actually find you attractive. Though I do think the redo of healer is a pretty good revenge manga.
>>214472254Anon, don't take it out on Slime just because he had it easier. The two are basically the same.
>>214469224Why should I watch either of these shows?Neither it is.
>>214469224Would slime have been good if it was always a slime and had to rely largely on wits instead of being OP from day one?
>>214498294Slimes are known for their transformation abilities. You'd have whining in the other direction if he NEVER shapeshifts. Or he could've gotten some noodly appendages and a silicon mask or a suit of armour and it'd be the same shit. It's just pointlessly unnecessary complexity to do a basic task that is completely reasonable.
>>214498262Kirito and Guts are basically the same by your understanding.
>>214498206>Enters SpiderSuddenly all the cast of Ishizuka Reviewers was found dead the next day.
>>214498294Thankfully the plot in slime is not solely based around winning or losing shounen fights, so it's good even though he was op from day 1.
>>214498206This would be a pretty amazing crossover but not much would happen as most of the females are either extremely loyal to their male protagonists or might see them as lesser beings. Maybe they would take the main male leads to one of the brothels but they would instantly be attacked by the female protagonists and the brothels destroyed.
>>214498173>Sometimes Japanese guys want to get to a know a girl before doing it.yeah, I also preffer to know the girl for 20 years and then fuck her when she is old as fuck.
>>214498460Kumoko has 0 reasons to kill them. They are not bad people (or aggresive).
>>214494541Well... thats fucking hot!
>>214498579>WNA soldier tried to sneak in her room in the night.She turned him into a zombie.>LNA drunktard touch her boobs.She would have killed him if it wasn't for Ariel.
>>214498488Tanya's cast, Kazuma, Darkness would be interesed in brothels.Aqua and Overlord's cast would be interesed in Crim.
>>214495000I don't know this slime.
>>214498579I feel like Kumo could kill them just for being loud
>>214494661>Ainz: *internal* She answers my questions so laconically, this indicates that she likes getting straight to the point and doesn't like meandering, I have to choose my words carefully so that I won't annoy her with my verbosity and thinks I'm some kind of imbecile.>Kumo(w/o teleportation): *internal* I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TALK FUUUUUUUUUUUU
>>214498699Thats what I said. They are not rapists. They just interesed in brothels. If anything, Sophia would welcome them.Also that I think you got ln and wn wrong, drunk that touched Shiro boobs was in wn too, didnt read LN.
>>214498943Don't the grab ass in the tavern?
>>214498055Why? What happened?
>>214497150>I hate how manga authors always find a way to make sure their protagonist remains a virginAnon, I also tried to be open minded. But it is very difficult for an author to write a good MC who is not a virgin. If it is not a virgin, you will most likely end up hating it.
>>214498774>Aqua would be interesed in Crim.I wonder why.
>>214488879Some people suspect that the show wants to go fast enough to get spider out of the dungeon, while keeping the side stories, in one season. Guess we’ll know as episodes come out.
>>214469224>slime x spiderThe question of the century. Do you think it would work?
>>214498943The drunktard also exists in the WN, but in the WN she does kill him.In the LN Ariel stops her because they're trying to not get much attention.Also the soldier might not be there to rape her. It could be anything.
>>214499451If she was so inclined Kumo could just hack the system to make it work. She would never, ever, ever, ever, ever want to though. Even if slime shapeshifted into a bald old fisherman.
>>214499346>tfw dicklet >tfw fapped to that scene a couple of timesHumiliation shouldn't be allowed to feel so good
>>214472254>>Slime>Oh, you died kisslesss virgin at 30 by truck reincarnated as a human? >Here is your free reincarnation with all your knowledge intact, two super powerfull skills, one of which will tell you what to do to not fuck up and other will allow you to swallow literally the most powerful being in the world that is conveniently sitting in your dungeon. Oh you dont wanna do anything and you're gonna sit tight in your village? Dont worry, we'll send plot devices to you so you wont even have to think or act on your own.>That all happens in episode one for fucks sake. Even his "slime" form lasts only for like 10 episodes. His target audience is "I wish it was me" neets/npcs.What makes him OP is not even the things you said. It's the fact that he was named by a literal Dragon God And monsters gaining a name become more powerful in that universe, depending on the one giving the name's power level.
Whats the meme with Shiro being into Ojisans?She could barely torelate this dude. (wn only)
>>214499800I think he’s comparing first episodes.
>>214499814Wasn't there that buff guide that she said was her type?
>>214499814She specifically talks about how her type is bald, tough old men multiple times in the WN. I dunno about other formats. She made her MMO character one for that reason. Yes, I know the thing you're going to correct me about I'm just trying not to spoil shit for secondaries
>>214499814She’s not into 70 year old grandpas. She’s into 30-40 year old handsome men.
>>214500171There's a whole scene of her ogling fishermen when she first gets out
>>214500078Didn't something happened during the time skip?In WN Shiro said that post time skip Ronandt was her type.
>>214500200>>214500171>>214500078She has good taste, badass old mem are the best>>214500171Yeah, I forgot about MMO part technically you correct
>>214499603Why not ? It's because she doesn't like pretty shotas, she prefers handsome Jisan's. But Spider is quite bold, I don't think she cares, something like "sure why not"
>>214500380Read the WN, she wants nothing to do with anyone, including men she finds handsome. She has basically zero interest in interaction at all. Her lust is only from afar. She is an incurable hikki
>>214499800He becomes god almighty at some point and saves himself from getting stabbed
>>214500450>Read the WNno.
>>214500629Okay, the accept what I’m telling you at face value, that’s also fine
>>214500450Drunk Kumo would eat baby Sophia. But would drunk Kumo eat a handsome old man?
>>214500677Nice, will do.
>>214500711Cute is fine and all, but what the fuck is going on with her braid?
>>214500767Drunk spider would rape a handsome old man.
>>214500767Literally consume? Very likely
>>214483051>imaginary stakes>when she almost died multiple times trying to take on stronger prey>or that part where she kills a monke>or that part where she first encounters Araba>or that part where she first encounters Mother
>>214500450But anon ... I already read the two WN Slime and Spider, a long time ago ... Slime finished, very good ending, Spider is in eternal Hiatus. Not mentioning that apparently Spider "did" something with Merasomif when she was drunk, when she was traveling with Mou-shoujo Arien-chan to the demon kingdom. So I tell you that "sure, why not" is possible.
>>214483051>spider just has imaginary stakesName 5 shows with actual stakes. Bonus points if it's isekai.
>>214500934Apparently, she would respawn if she died, and with the soul expansion cheat skill, she wouldn’t be negatively impacted from it.
>>214471325read the ln its much better
>>214499814She did accept his fruits later though
>>214501028Yes and no.In Spider's universe all living being will reincarnate.When a living being dies it's soul go to the underworld where all the impurities and memories are erased and then send to a random planet to reincarnate into a compatible specie.The students are the exception because D actively blocked the natural cycle to keep their memories intact.
Never read the spider, but slime sucked when the removed all the "monster" from the monster girls also it was a neet power fantasy. Thats when I dropped it, whats with nips and making the heros win at everything? Is it because they write themselves as the character? It would be better he got his ass kicked by everything, or formed a party with the other monsters, not a utopia.
>>214499800Said god just names him and conveniently allowed itself to get voredLiteral NPC plot device just to make the MC OP
>>214501610Is Spider being “unnamed” a reference to this?
>>214501028>Apparently, she would respawn if she diedThat's only after she developed the Egg-Laying skill, a technique she developed in order to counter attacks that would even render her Immortality skill pointless. Even then it's dangerous in that she has to basically eat more food and grow back to her original size, and her stats were temporarily lowered to such an extent that even a small lesser taratect would seem like an unwinnable boss-fight.>and with the soul expansion cheat skillthat's when she becomes a goddess, which caused her to lose assistance from the System and she basically has to create and control magic by herself, which is a lot difficult and she became just as ineffectual as a low-level human in battles
>>214500767Of all the men she ate at least a few must have been old and handsome, statistically speaking.
>>214501772no maybe when she got named by D becauseshe is just a regular house spider in her previous life
>>214501772No, her being unnamed is foreshadow of something else.All the other student's appraisal shows like this "Isekai Name - Japanese Name". Kumoko being unnamed is a foreshadow of her not being really a student.She was a Spider that lived inside the classroom
>>214501823But a big ass one, right?
>>214501923So, when I was looking into the novel, I came upon there being multiple fan translations of it. A common complaint was “THESE FUCKING TRANSLATORS CAN’T LOCALIZE FOR SHIT! HER DIALOGUE COMES OFF AS FERAL AND ANIMAL LIKE AND NOTHING LIKE HOW A REAL PERSON WOULD TALK” followed by “THIS GUY WHO IS LOCALIZING IT IS DOING THE REAL WORK AND MAKING HER SOUND LIKE A PERSON.”It makes sense now.
>>214502731all house spiders have large asses, anon
>>214502810Kinda.First translator was bad then the second one was decent but he translated every fucking word.Shiro (name) -> White.Kumo's hints if being a spider are more subtle. There're incongruencia in her memories and personality.Like how she remembers being her being the bottom of the class and no ones friend but at the same time she calls herself a beauty. Then there's the fact that she doesn't remember her parents faces.Funny enough her personality is part of her spider instincts twisted. - House spidera never leave their webs -> Hikkikomori.- Lack of empaty -> Spider are natural killers.- Antisocial -> Spiders never interact with other spider unless it's for killing or reproduction (and then kill).
>>214503252I was chalking up all these “hints” as being usual japanese writing (garbage writing by hacks)
>>214501923>>214503252So hiw did she get the ojiisan fetish?
>>214503526That's D's fuckery.Part of her memories are from her house spider life, D's own student memories and parts that D just invented.The old men crush and parents are what D invented.
>>214503700>Putting a bug (arachnid) in the same tier as peopleThe admin is insane.
>>214493431A schrödingers loli, if you will
>>214499485She does not kill him in the WN. She passes out from infinite anxiety seconds after having her books touched. Ariel makes the drunk apologize.
>>214503798She's a cosmic goddess. There's really not a whole lot of difference between a spider and a human to her.
>>214504176But, there is a difference. A difference of agency. The lower animals don’t even know how to spend their points.
>>214477245I mean she has to live for there to be a comic but some of the fights have some real asspulls.
>>214504297To the Nameless God of the End, humans are just as blind and incompetent as any arachnid.
>>214504487>I'M GONNA FIGHT MY MOMMY!>OH NO SHE'S KICKING MY ASS!>YAY MY OTHER SELVES ARRIVED IN THE NICK OF TIME AND GAVE ME ALL THE POWER THEY ATE OUT OF HER BRAIN!
>>214504675>SHE STILL KICKS MY ASS! BETTER MAKE A PEACE TREATY WITH HER BECAUSE I CAN'T DEFEAT HER EVEN WITH MY POWERUPS!
>>214504675>Foreshadowed plans are now asspulls
>>214504847That's Granny. Mother was brought down properly.
>>214504543I kinda get what he is sayin though, if a god can really be called a god you would think it to be omnipotent and not be subject to oversight.
>>214504974The gods in this setting are demonstrably not like that at all, just very powerful
>>214501529I was pissed with what he did to the oni but I was livid when he ruined the lizard girl
>>214501074I've only read the WN and I'm already up to the part where he is fighting Veldanava and while it's not as egregious as Re: Monster, it jumped the fucking shark and gave Rimuru God Powers with his Niggerman skills
>>214504974Kami is not deus. Westerners will never understand.
Slime is boringSpider is interesting
>>214505007Ah I see just some high energy lads off on a romp
>>214505158Bascially. D in particular just enjoys messing with people.
>>214504974Gods are just big soul containers. Even the fucking planets themselves are gods because they happen to have very large souls.
>>214505111I don't know, Zeus was pretty popular even with his pettiness and all.
>>214505254Kumo planets are not gods. They have life, but the planetary energy they radiate is different from the divine energy of a god. This is why that plan to unravel Sariel to restore the world was doomed to fail; D called it like performing heart surgery with two completely different animals.
>>214500805webbingLiterally everything is webbingSpiders yo'
>>214505535You're saying she's actually bald?
>>214505690her hair can be controlled like her webs
>>214504675>Nick of timeehhhhh The other selves had been attacking more or less ever since they got there not sure on the LN but the manga has them attacking for several chapters straight slowly chipping away at her mind
>>214505690She is like a mimic. It looks like a person, but it is not.
I just want spidermom to hug her vampire daughter in such a manner that it causes their enormous tits to squish together, is that so wrong
>>214506629You're not alone.Those tits must be docked.
>>214506629and perhaps there can be a little kissing and maybe they can both be naked haha
Mangafag hereCan any WN or LN anons explain why, if Kumoko wanted a "human like form" did she go for Arachne at the exclusion of the mainline Taratect line? <Wisdom> lets her see later options right? Why didn't she see the Origin Taratect? Demon Lady looks pretty humanlike to me. Is she a "special class" that you can't evolve into even if you go Greater -> Arch -> Queen?Yes I know initially Kumoko wanted to stay smol so she could fit through the passageways between layers, but if she could see Origins are basically human sized she could have gone big temporarily (especially if she could still move with teleportation magic)
>>214510666You can't evolve into the Origin Taratect anon. Ariel isn't a real spider.
>>214510831That makes senseLame though, it would be better for my dick if she was a real spider that poweleveled enough to look like a goth in fishnets
>>214510666Does the word "origin" mean nothing to you? You can't evolve into the original, you either always have been or never can be.
>>214470911More like trap-pandering. Nips are gay for these kinda characters, thus the overwhelming but undeserved popularity of Slime Tensei...
>>214469224They're the 2 of the best isekai WN series out there, but spider is just too good. It is THE best. At least for me. Also, the 2 years-long wait if finally over. YAY!
>>214471788Ironc gay is still gay. Slime is nothing more than a trap-pandering garbage.
>>214472254This. A thousand times this.
>>214475731This. /a/nons who watched this garbage are trap-loving faggots...
>>214471788we have a granny!
>>214479936Yeah, have fun sucking the slime's trap cock, but be careful not to choke on it...
>>214469224Both are bad but spider is better.
>>214510666Because it’s not on the list, like the marionettes.
>>214499814You're fucking retarded. You're mixing up "oji-san" with "ojii-san". Go back to lurk more, newfaggot.
>>214510666See this>>214510983You dumbass.
>>214469224Slime is generic as fuck. Any good anons here that know some more WNs/LNs similar to Spider? And I don't mean the famous ones, feel free to give me the most obscure ones you know, thanks.
>>214510943I mean, we do have the puppet sisters. they're just tiny spiders puppeteering a human-shaped body and shiro dressed them all up to look like real humans
>>214511973ehhh Rudy is straight as they come
>>214469224I'm going to assume spider, just like slime, is more "super weak MC that gets cheat powers and is invincible by the end of the 3rd chapter/second episode" trash that all gameoverse isekai are.
>>214512212It takes three whole books for that, so about episode 13 or so.
>>214512212Multiply those 3 chapter by 10 and may be a little closer.
kumoko ever reaches arachne form?
>>214469224Spider because Spider is a cute girl while slime is some gay penis-less man
>>214511913Some /a/nons might shill Dragon Egg Tensei or smth, but the MC is so retarded that it's infuriating to read.
>>214512212Takes a bit longer, but yes.
>>214512424Based. /a/nons who watch Slime Tensei should just come out of the closet already...
>>214512439Motherfucker, Black Lizard is best girl!
>>214512439What is smth?
>>214496740No, Slime = trap-pandering garbage...
>>214512733Something. Phoneposter shorthand.
>>214494128How far did you reach the novels? The starting is a horrible slog but gets way better from Vol 4. Also the generic isekai shit is like 4 to 6 pages per chapter. It's to set up the convergence later on.
>>214512212Takes a long time and then she’s no longer MC as soon as she gets god powers
>>214513656Someone else becomes the MC then?
>>214513704Becomes kind of an ensemble cast after that, follows some of the other reincarnated characters and follows some natives who are around Kumo while she works in the background.
>>214513704Yes and No.The story jumps between characters all the time just like we saw in episode 1.By the time Kumoko becomes OP there're even more character to jump at so her screentime is reduced.
>>214513852Based ADD author. Why tell one story when you can tell a dozen!
>>214513958It's not that extreme, and a lot of the time those other PoVs are still advancing the main story.
>>214472254This, I also dislike anything non webnovel Kumoko but the slime one is disgustingly unoriginal
>>214511922What are these puppets made of to make them so powerful?
>>214479274>implying your degenerate kink is more valid than that anon'sfind jesus
>>214514737Aren't they basically a step below Queen Taratects? Albeit a very large step but they seemed very close to Ariel.
>>214515176Close as in relationship, not power level...
>>214493941More like Slimetrannies...
>>214472254>bourgeois (Slime) vs proletariat (Spider) comparison>basically Communist manifesto>/a/Spider cheersI didn't know Spiderfags were leftypol members.Spider is more of a person in the shadows helping out a monarch who took over an existing nation, while Slime is about a person who builds a nation from scratch.In terms of themes Spider is more sacrifice and the willingness or unwillingness to consider the bigger picture or just burying one's head into the sand deliberately ignoring the red flags of doom on the horizon.Slime is more about the themes of mortality and immortality, about how mortals, immortals and mortals who evolved into immortals handle death and how entitled they feel about resurrecting those dear to them. Slime also focuses on the concept of "information" itself a lot.The only similarities are the very similar-seeming beginnings, as well as the fact that they are fantasy but actually sci-fi, kumo with the system and those old machines and slime with all the tech mumbo jumbo about magicules, spiritrons and infotrons.But ultimately they are too different to directly compare. If one was just a "better version" of the other, this comparison would make sense. But you actually get something completely different out of each and they aren't really substitutes for one another.
>>214487508LN is fucking garbage, and the manga will be soon now that it's focusing on more of the boring isekai shit.
>>214514369>the slime one is disgustingly unoriginalBut when asked about what makes it unoriginal the mouth gets clammed shut immediately. At best murmuring a "MUH OP MC" response, which is a retarded response as the weak but smart Shiroe MCs, the weak throughout the story 2000s Ecchi-Harem Action Romcom MCs and the Underdogs with scaling Antagonists Battle-Shounen MCs and whatever else aren't "original" either. Kumo herself is basically a battle-shounen MC with a little bit of weak-but-smart-MC sprinkled onto her at the start.
>>214469224Slime is okay because it's Isekai done mostly differently.Spider is only good if you're reading the manga, because Grindan Comedy > Generic isekai shit.
>>214472254I need more spider reaction images
>>214516318>Grindan Comedy > Generic isekai shit.Based.
>>214504346>real asspulls.Well that's kind of expected since spiders pull strings out of their asses.
>>214469224Spider is better, but I suspect the anime will be more human oriented and it won't matter.
>>214516969It’s going to be more human oriented in that the novels are more human oriented.
>>214472254>Oh you died because god fucked up? Well fuck you, you are gong to reincarnate in the high level dungeon and fight for your live as CG low tier spider, this is not a fucking charity.Except it was for all her classmates.
>>214517070it wasn't even just her classmates she was the class pet that nobody aside from the teacher really liked
>>214469224I choose lizard.
>>214517569based dragon bro
remember to pray for spider
>>214517070Tell that to fucking Wrath.
>>214518810no, pray to black dragon-sama! the evil god shiro will only murder us and use our souls for her nefarious deeds! we must give our prayers to black dragon-sama to save us from shiro!
>>214518890>dustin is having his priests pray for shiro because everyone hates the church now, so they'll pray to kuro out of spite4d chess
>>214469224Spider is a girl. No contest.Also spider doesn't get superpowers from a God dragon.
>>214518882>guy who thought gobs were just animals had a reincarnator daughter who could talk to and tame monstersironic
>>214517070Which is all the funnier >others get to be reincarnated as Chads and Stacies>meanwhile you're a spider
>>214517070most of the reincarnators ended up as captives and fujos
https://pastebin.com/9WSbKTiKlook at all these cheat skills, gone to waste
>>214519179>She had it crushed, cut off, pierced and burnt
>>214519237She didn't know she had it until she got spawning skill and laid a shit ton of eggs.
>>214512435Testarossa is drunk!Shiro but better.
>>214519051>Kudou Sachi - Leader: Increases charisma and persuasion. Using this skill, she converted all her female classmates at the elf village into fujoshi.This is what she used such a skill for?If playing Arcanum has taught me anything is that a good enough charisma build lets you amass a squad of strong people willing to die for you that you don't even need to save the world because you can literally talk the final boss into not only accepting his entire world view is warped and wrong but also talk him into killing himself out of love for a world he hates... and she uses this ability to turn her female classmates into rotten girls who indulge in BL?Fuck it, I can only respect that.
>>214519111Imagine isekai into a fluffy portable onahole
Can anyone stop the arachnid uprising?
>>214515703>I didn't know Spiderfags were leftypol members.Anon the story's main arc is literally about destroying the System, what did you expect?
All I know is that it sure feels nice to like more than one similar thing at the same time.
>>214518999nobody gives a shit about your trash guy
>>214472254I think Slime also spend a long time in the cave but wasn't show
>>214514737Specialized in melee 1v1No AOE spells
>>214469224spider.The slime is too goody two shoes.
>>214520026nobody can stop the spider uprising
>>214494560if its the last think i fuck then i better be glad it was him
spider 1st episode was too boring, i stopped watching halfway
>>214524258Legitimately and unironically filtered.You were never going to make it to begin with.
>>214523553Except Rimuru never once had that position, ever.
>>214524258I've read both WNs, I find Slime to be a lot more boring than Spider, because WN slime is just a pure unabashed power fantasy that had settled into a comfy city-builder but then threw it away for a boring 'we have to kill god and so we must fight his subordinates and have more power'. I mean, the city-builder parts were already good, I wanted more of that. Fuck, I mean, there was even that bullshit where they established that you can't cast magic while in time stop because magicules can't move in stopped time, but a couple chapters later Rimuru begins using magic in stopped time because 'muh Ciel', and Diablo started doing it too because 'muh talent', and then everyone relevant starts casting magic in time stop because of reasons. If they're going to violate it anyway, why even make that fucking rule to begin with? It makes no goddamn sense and it just irritates me even more.Spider meanwhile, goes from an admittedly long-ass dungeon grinding sequence to a grand world-spanning conspiracy where she isn't the only actor and she has to learn how to interact with them aside from just punching them directly in the face. She becomes the shadowy villain moving things from behind the curtains, and the fucking reveals are utterly fantastic and the random bits of story that previously seemed unrelated and uninteresting just becomes a whole lot more satisfying. And by that, I mean you should also read the S side stories alongside the main storyline when you read if for the first time, because goddamn was it fucking wonderful. Those people that said that the S stories are pointless are either speedreaders or liars. Don't trust them.
>>214525680>why even make that fucking rule to begin with?Because making rules just to break them is a very easy and lazy way to make a character look cool and powerful, and the Japanese eat that shit up. Mahouka (and many other anime) is exactly this, repeat ad nauseum.
>>214525680Spider WN to LN on the other hand is just a reordering of events with a little extra here or there, showing some things in the LN that weren't in the WN, while leaving out some stuff that was in the WN. But it's mostly still the same story.Slime WN is "abandonware". Even the author made fun of his early day hiccups by having LN Rimuru essentially make fun of WN Rimuru's actions, not to mention the story itself and the characters were completely changed. Most LN readers actually recommend against even trying the WN because it's not worth it, but the LN is, though the manga polishes the main events even further.
>>214525784No, it's because Fuse probably got his LN contract around that time so his writing got sloppy writing for LN vol. 1 and the final WN arc simultaneously, because he focused on the LN side.
>>214510666grandma is chimera made by potimas
I hope we get more cute dragon in episode 2.
>>214519565oooh shit, at 17th volume artist finally improved somewhat
Not sure about the Spider, but Rimuru has no personality, and they give him power boosts too easily
>thread about non human isekai mc>nobody mentioned him yetfor shame /a/, for shameENTER CHADROU
>>214527155I've read the LNs, the MC feels like a bipolar schizophrenic who's pretty happy-go-lucky but immediately goes full 180° and be overcome by rage. And the parts outside her POV just feels retarded too, I don't know if it was the translator or the author himself but every time the story switches to a different character it would always be in a third-person omniscient perspective, inserting lines like 'if she were here she would be laughing' and 'she would gasp in surprise if she heard them' all while they're discussing about some strange disappearances of troops and the increase of monsters or whatever, which were caused by the MCs actions. It just pulls me out of the entire experience.
>>214527266Not even the slime deserves to be compared to that trash.
>>214527069Doesn't Kumo get ruler of Wisdom made for her on the spot for shits and giggles?
>>214527266man fuck Re: Monster. I dropped it after he went on a dungeon romp with his children and it's boring as fuck because nothing bad happens and there isn't even any comfy banter or anything, it's just them bulldozing through monsters and gaining more skills over and over for several fucking chapters and I can't fucking bear it anymore it's so goddamned frustratingly agonizingly long and nothing important really happensSlime is better when it comes to the city-building parts, and Spider is better when it comes to the dungeon-raiding parts.
>>214527539I haven’t watched or read slime. But, I’m under the impression that he gets OP much, much faster.
>>214527539Yeah, but she did earn it after she grinded Appraisal and Detection until it reached the maximum level. She was disappointed that it didn't add anything to her Appraisal until D came along and granted her Wisdom for the shits and giggles.
>>214525931How's great is the LN so far? I haven't read it since I was rather disappointed about the WN, but I might as well give it a try some time later.
>>214469321the begining after the end webtoon is nice,same plot but instead of a neet it's a king.
>>214527643Didn't Wisdom also briefly cripple Kumo because it was a whole bunch of sense that she'd never dealt with before?
>>214528102That was detection that did that.
>>214472254SLIMESHITTERS AND ISEKAI SELFINSERTERS BLOWN THE FUCK OUT I REPEAT BLOWN THE FUCK OUT BTFO GG NO RE
>>214527539Wisdom just gives her a mental map and let her bypass the tedious grinding to create and maintain magical formulae. It was certainly a leg up, but it wasn't a particularly stunning boost. Wisdom never actually won her any fights, it just skipped a training arc.It does, however, classify as a Ruler skill so it contributed to her later Apotheosis, I guess.
>>214527266>isekais and greedily collects skills only to never use them>has 2 serious fights across all volumes>somehow has an unguarded dungeon with top equipment nearby to his goblin village>lets become mercenaries and barely do any mercenary shit>never questions why there some chests drops in a dungeon like its some fucking game>never questions anything about system messages, psalms and other related shit>can earn a fortune with no effort by waltzing through dungeons and auctioning items, yet wastes his time to open some fucking shop>and so onyep, this is a top tier trash
>>214472254Only one of these two turns into a god. Can you guess which?
>>214527398kets see how you will act if you suddenly got connected to vicious zerg hivemend that only wants to kill and expand
>>214528224>Leveling up your skills during a fight and reaching a lifetime of training’s worth of power in days is not OPJust because other isekais are much worse about this shit doesn’t mean you get to downplay it.
>>214528346m8 both of them turn into godsSlime turns into a cosmic multiversal god while Kumo only turns into a leastmost newborn goddess (but she has the eye of D upon her so she's got at least some degree of special privileges--provided she makes it out of here alive)
>>214528418She'd've reached Height of Occultism in a few weeks of training due to magical autism and an extremely high affinity for magic descended from D's attributes, as D is a master of all mystic arts. It just accelerated things.
>>214527266>inferior civ building than slime, no worldbuilding like spider>rapist mc <<<<slime<<<<<<<<spider>no plot, slime has godly plot compared to this>novel written like a shitty diary>shit side characters, who cares about themBELONG INTO TRASH
>>214528538>It just accelerated things.You know, at the end of the day, there is no functional difference between taking a month to become a demigod or taking a single day. Both are extreme examples of gaining power too fast, and you can't just make excuses for Kumo just because you like it more than Slime.
Didn't Slime spend a few years just wandering the cave? Kumo was already a god at one-year-old.
>>214528866I think in the actual timeline it was 3 months that he spent in the cave. The anime kind of glosses over that part.
>>214527539>>214527603Yes, she does. Don't get baited by anyone claiming Kumo isn't OP or that "it's totally different from other isekai bro". Kumo is good, but it's good because of other reasons: interesting characters, story structure that contributes to its suspense, and perhaps most of all the way it manipulates the information conveyed to the reader/viewer. It is not nearly as shameful with its power fantasy as slime, and it does take a lot more effort on Kumo's side than most isekai, but those elements are still there. Don't get into Kumo expecting a true underdog MC or you will clock out the second that Kumo says "I wish I had this skill" and then gets that skill handed to her by god and you realize that, as always, most anons are talking out their ass because they just can't admit that their favorite isekai is still a pretty standard isekai.Kumo is actually a pretty good example of how even the most trite and overused tropes won't ruin a story if it's actually well-written. It will still very much be worth the watch if they don't ruin the adaptation.
>>214528799It doesn't grant anything close to godhood. Height of Occultism just let her cast spells faster, casting spells won her a few fights but she still had to learn the spells and advance the associated skills herself.All Wisdom did was let her assemble spell formulae without spending a few weeks on figuring out how exactly that works. She had already begun making headway even.That's the only point I have been making.
>>214528346Kumo is actually substantially less powerful in combat after becoming a god, to the point where she needs bodyguards for 2 whole LNs. The tradeoff is that she gets to do stuff that other characters in the universe can't. Ironically, the LNs post-deification are much less about stat sheet wankery and power tripping than the earlier ones and the story gets much better as a result.
>>214528866>implying timeskipped content is meaningful
>>214469224'ate the church'ate demonlords'ate bigger creatures than me'luv absorbing things'luv slimes'luve spidersSimple as...
>>214529072>not nearly as shamefulshit I meant shameless, not shameful
>>214529196And Slime doesn't get anywhere near close to godhood until the harvest festival, he just fights mostly trash early on, just like Kumo. Even after the harvest festival which is like 1/3 into the series, he's only about the 12th most powerful character in the story, and some of the people above him are the most important villains in the series.
>>214483345she will show up on season 2, basically shes another isekaid op human that hates rimuru and from country that advocates human supremacy.
>>214471325>The anime doesn't show any of his previous life or even establish him as a NEET with Agoraphobia and performance anxiety.The first ep had him talking about how "heavy" he is, how he only got food by pounding on the floor, and his obvious fidgety nervous behavior the first time we see him outside. I expect ep 2 will flesh out the Agoraphobia.
At least two of them died as a babies.Being born as a human is actually much worse in this setting.
>>214529967Were killed as babies, anon.Killed by elves.
>>214527742Erased all the bullshit plot points that the WN had, including, but not limited to:>WN: Rimuru: "Look how awesome I am, I just massacred 15k humans! Now let's be friends, everyone!"-> LN: Gazel: "Rimuru, as a monarch you need to use this famous technique called FakeNews and propaganda if you want to get anywhere in diplomacy. Just blame the 20k deaths on your dragon friend and act as the savior who calmed and tamed the dragon afterwards.">WN: Rimuru: "Hey we are holding a tournament, let me proudly display my executives to the whole world!"-> LN: Rimuru: "What kind of dumbass would reveal the strengths and weaknesses of his strongest subordinates so easily? Especially you, Souei, aren't you Tempest's Chief Spy!? All other than Geld and Gobta are prohibited from participating!">WN: Luminas: "I got this coffin I need to protect when I only have a single aide, Gunther, who I need to take along to Walpurgis with me. But whatever, let's leave it alone. What could possibly go wrong?"-> LN Luminas: "Well, great I have 4 aides, I'll take Roy and Gunther with me, Louis you keep being the pope, Hinata my dear girl, protect the coffin for me, OK?">WN Yuuki: "REEEE, why did my parents have to die? The world is unfair! I'll destroy this unfair world!"-> LN Yuuki: "I'll conquer the world and productively make the world a better place with my smarts so no more unreasonableness such as what happened to my parents will exist any further!"
>>214530060I gotta admit, I love how scummy elves are in this setting. Potimas is legitimately a good villain.
spider of courseat least the spider stays a fucking spider for more than a volume lolwhy should I give a single fuck about a blue haired anime girl with a boyish voice?
>>214529306Just give up anon, you won't convince the autists in this thread that Kumo's just another isekai LN with many of the same faults. Anons are just too insecure to admit that they like it in spite of those elements so they try to convince everyone that those elements don't exist. It's the same with every LN adaptation, good or bad, isekai or not.
>>214529072>Kumo says "I wish I had this skill" and then gets that skill handed to her by god Thats literally how System works though.
>>214530181>>WN Yuuki: "REEEE, why did my parents have to die? The world is unfair! I'll destroy this unfair world!">-> LN Yuuki: "I'll conquer the world and productively make the world a better place with my smarts so no more unreasonableness such as what happened to my parents will exist any further!"same shit
>>214500981I have some good news for you spider WN is getting daily chapters and translations since the start of this week
>>214530564But normally you have to pay SP.D invented a Ruler tier skill on the fly and smacked Kumoko with it.It's decidedly unfair, but D never plays fair.
>>214530286ngl, I admire Potimas more than I hate himThe dread of losing yourself is understandable and ironic to what happens to him in WN
>>214530564>Thats literally how System works though.No, it isn't? Did you read the manga/LN? Other characters within the system have to choose between available skills and spend skill points for them (or manually train up the skills). Kumoko, in addition to having skill choices that no one else gets for measley amounts of points (like Ruler of Pride for 100 points) literally just gets a new, super powerful skill made for her on the spot and given to her for free because the overseer god thought it would be amusing to watch.
>>214530578It's a little different when someone is literally trying to destroy all of existence so that nothing exists anymore vs. trying to conquer the world to become a benevolent ruler. You can't call those two "the same shit".
>>214530564No, That just happened because D thought that it might be fun(Its a minor powerup according to D anyways)
>>214530578No it's not, especially since he lost his main villain status as well his plot armor and is more of a deuteragonist, like a second MC, instead.
>>214472254/threadslime had everything it needed to succeed, but it failed, miserably sonot saying kumoko is perfect though
>>214530809Who is the main villain now?
>>214530899>communist manifesto>/threadBack to leftypol with you, anon.
Ok, I'm going to sit through this berserk 2016 tier adaptation of Kumo to see if it's actually as good as you faggots say. If the first episode is anything to go by, the series is complete trash. I hope you're right though, and it's better than Slime, because Slime is really good.
>>214477748you require a very specific kind of autism to enjoy it (the manga at least)I'm not sure about the anime yet because it's going to give us an entire other story on top of the kumotism, and I haven't read the LN so who knows about that part, but when it comes to the spider; it's literally akin to an autist rambling on and on and on inside his head about his next move in DnD, that's probably the best way to simply put itit can be entertaining, but then she gets so many skills that trying to remember all of them is just a bother and eye-rollingly pointless
>>214530963>somehow making it about politicshow fucking autistic are you, you brainletslime is garbage, it's as simple as that, it's a garbage story, a garbage MC, even the art becomes shit really fast
>>214531126>even the art becomes shit really fastI hope you're not talking about the manga, but even the LN art is good.
>>214531047A fact that's hard to keep in mind for modern Kumo fans is that Kumo is a very slow burn. When it takes off, it rockets off hard and never comes back down, but the entire first three volumes are fucking around in a cave.It's not until the fourth volume with Sophia that everything is turned on its head and the pieces begin to fall into place.
>>214530564>>214530710Kumoko started with measily 100 sp compared to tens of thousands other isekai protags. She got Wisdom not for free but for leveling up her Appreasal and Detection which is hard to do(normally). All D did is added new skill to System, thats it.Kumoko did say "I wish I had X" but she did work for it. And in that System, when you work for the skill you usually get it. Also D is biased.
>>214531522>Kumoko did say "I wish I had X" but she did work for itAnd Rimuru worked for every single upgrade he got too.
>>214531607Rimuru doesn't even need to think with Great Sage.
>>214527406But Slime Tranny is indeed as trashy as Re:Monster.
>>214531633He needs to eat people to get most of his upgrades. That's more effort than wishing for them.
>>214469224Slime, Shota, and Spider. YES WE CAN!
>>214530954Unclear as of LN vol. 17.Candidates include:Feldway, former first Seraphim (one of the, if not the first, individuals created by Veldanava, basically the angel counterpart of Guy) who has now become the Phantom King. Invades other worlds from his current homeworld, the "aggressor world". His goal is to get Veldanava back above all else. Got his "buddy" the Ultimate Skill and Manas Michael that finally freed itself from Rudra. Michael has the same goal as Feldway.Ivaraje, some kind of Dragon of Destruction which was sealed by Veldanava long ago and still lies there in a sealed state in the "aggressor world".Voice of the World, because it's being mentioned a lot, but had not much importance other that the beginning where Great Sage "hacked" the voice function as part of its mutation into a Q&A terminal for Rimuru. The VotW could be terrifying as an enemy with how it's pretty much omnipresent across different universes and only really limited in non-spiritual worlds like Earth.
>>214530710>in addition to having skill choices that no one else gets for measley amounts of points (like Ruler of Pride for 100 points)Shun gets Ruler of Kindness, Oka got Ruler of Charity, Natsume got Ruler of Greed and Lust, Sophia got Ruler of Envy, and Wrath obviously got Ruler of Wrath. That's a whole lot of "no one else", huh?
>>214531607Being stab with a knife is not work
>>214472254Good take, thanks for posting
>>214525931>Better point out & makeself-deprecating jokes about muh own fuck-ups first before others do that to lessen the pain & humiliation.This is what Slime's author tryna do. I think there's a SZS chapter about this...
>>214532009>Better point out & makeself-deprecating jokes about muh own fuck-ups first before others do that to lessen the pain & humiliation.I'm pretty sure people already heavily criticized those parts of the WN before he improved them in the LN.
>>214469224Is there any isekai left without the RPG stats and skills autism? Makes every series an instant drop for me since it tells me everything I can expect about the worldbuilding.
>>214531670He didn't put any effort into acquiring Great Sage or Predator though. Actually didn't he also wish for Predator just before he reincarnated?
>>214532173>Actually didn't he also wish for Predator just before he reincarnated?Yes, he got them through wishing for it when he died, which is how every OP reincarnated character in the story gets their powers. Hinata and Yuuki were also insanely overpowered when they were first reincarnated, Yuuki even more so.
>>214528224>it wasn't a particularly stunning boost>Let her do something no one had ever done in the setting>something the strongest mage in the kingdom thought impossible>Something that brought him to tears the first time he witnessed it, as she murdered his guardsWe have some very different definitions on what "particularly stunning"means
>>214532144Spider eventually subverts hard its RPG medieval fantasy premise and turns its genre to post apocalyptic sci-fi with magitek/cosmic horror, but it takes until LN Volume 5, or somewhere in the 2nd cour of the anime, till it starts breaking it apart.
>>214469224Both of these sucked dick, spider sucks slightly more
>>214532425>We have some very different definitions on what "particularly stunning"meansThe kumo poster is obviously incredibly biased towards his series and downplaying every extreme thing that happens in his series. Anyone that agrees with him is just being retarded on purpose.
>>214532425>>Let her do something no one had ever done in the settingWhat? It doesn't let her use magic even on one-tenth the level of Ariel, much less some of the greater mages in the early eras.>>something the strongest mage in the kingdom thought impossible>>Something that brought him to tears the first time he witnessed it, as she murdered his guardsThe "strongest mage in the kingdom" would get his ass kicked by a completely normal fire dragon. (At the time. After copying Kumo's method for 15 years he gets strong enough to defeat an elf-made combat droid in one on one combat.)
>>214472254Best insight op deserves all the (you) in this thread.
>>214531092This. Slime inflates it popularity by whoring out its tranny MC to trap-loving Nips. Just check out its promotional materials and merchandises...
>>214531897Unique Skills are basically a manifestation of part of the user's mind. They require a certain amount of synchronization to be properly utilized so they can't just be absorbed willy nilly if wanting to use them properly. Gaining a new one also causes an immediate shift in personality. to a certain extent.In other words, to get "Degenerate" Rimuru had to defeat Ifrit and basically take the burden Shizue left behind onto himself. Likewise when Rimuru spoke the the Orc Disaster, he needed to take his burden in order to get his Unique Skill, else even if he defeated him in the end, Rimuru would not get the "Starved" Skill and hence would not be able to upgrade his Predator into Gluttony, so he had to take the burden of taking care of the 150k surviving orcs and having to leave the orcs mostly unpunished and hence potentially cause the Lizardmen and Kijin to be dissatisfied.>>214532173But he did work for that even if he didn't remember his struggle. His soul had to survive the transit across universes without dissipating, which the vast majority fail to do. That's the reason why Otherworld Reincarnators like Rimuru, Mariabell and Venom are always OP, while Summoned Otherworlders are OP by default too, but to a considerably lesser extent, the only guaranteed aspect for them being a Unique Skill, meanwhile Stray Otherworlders can cover the whole range of power, but aren't guaranteed anything, for example Hinata is an OP Stray Otherworlder with two Unique Skills, but Yoshida is pretty much a normal human without getting any Skills despite being a Stray Otherworlder too.
>>214532920>Rimuru had to defeat Ifrit Which was surprisingly too easy to do because he had resistance to fire, one thing slimes are known to be weak to.
>>214532655>What? It doesn't let her use magic even on one-tenth the level of Ariel, much less some of the greater mages in the early eras.I have no idea who those are. And you're missing the point: It's not strong because it lets her use POWERFUL magic. It's strong because it allows her to instantly use ANY magic after witnessing it once without spending any skill points to buy the skill.>The "strongest mage in the kingdom" would get his ass kicked by a completely normal fire dragon. Yes, humans are extremely weak in the setting. How is this relevant to the spider getting unique and overpowered skills for shits and giggles?
>>214533099>I have no idea who those are. You shall learn.>And you're missing the point: It's not strong because it lets her use POWERFUL magic. It's strong because it allows her to instantly use ANY magic after witnessing it once without spending any skill points to buy the skill.Which is doesn't actually help her win fights directly, it just adds another tool to her toolbox.>Yes, humans are extremely weak in the setting. How is this relevant to the spider getting unique and overpowered skills for shits and giggles?Because humans are not important and being more powerful than them is irrelevant.
Saying Slime is shit because the mc is OP is like saying Maoujo de Oyasumi is shit because the mc is OP.
>>214479412lmao just you watch the second season you will see what a repercussion is
>>214480365second season will be much darker compared to first so check it out
>>214533075One one hand:>OMG why is it just like a typical JRPG? So unoriginal and generic! on the other hand:>OMG why does it not follow typical JRPG conventions! That's not allowed!So which is it? Should it be like a JRPG or should it not? You can't have it both ways. If you insist on it, it just shows that you are just grasping at straws to bash this series.
>>214533099>Yes, humans are extremely weak in the settingThats not what happened. They became weaker with each generation. Kumo is a fresh soul so of course she is more powerful.
>Slime gets everything handed out for him for free>Spider has to grind her way for everything, except a free initial skill and an upgrade to two skills she grinded up herselfSlimebabies are delusional for thinking their self-insert fantasy is better than our grinding fantasy. If you played your videogames with cheats to raise your character stats to maximum before the first dungeon then slime is for you. If you loved to grind your characters to max level manually, enjoying the ride along the way, spider is for you.
>>214533577>If you insist on it, it just shows that you are just grasping at straws to bash this series.I think they just want to shit on slime because it's popular in Japan and gets a good adaptation with good animation while they're stuck with a CGI dumpster fire.
>>214483270you should read slime light novel its pretty good they skipped a lot of stuff in anime
>>214531126What else could cheering toward having a "bottom of the barrel starting point" than for self-inserting of commies trying to upset the system. Well if it was just liking Spider for it, you could argue liking rags to riches stories, but since you bash Slime for essentially just having a better starting point, I don't see how it can come across as anything other than some Marxist BS reasoning.And if you want to keep politics away, then what reason DO you have for this? Are you also saying that any middle-class European character becoming richer than bill gates is always automatically better than some African child achieving this just because it's "a greater success story" regardless of its content and having to really take some BS plot developments to cover the whole range from weakest to strongest?
>>214533390>You shall learn.I shall not. If I wanted to see the strongest mage weeping before the feet of the isekai'd protagonist I'd be watching Overlord. It, at least, is not ashamed to be a power fantasy and it has some actual characters to go with said power fantasy.>Which is doesn't actually help her win fights directly, it just adds another tool to her toolbox.Oh, please. By this criteria NOTHING ever helps her win fights directly. Nothing ever helps anyone win fights directly. It's all just tools in a toolbox, and those tools just happen to grant victory.>Because humans are not important and being more powerful than them is irrelevant.t. human
>>214533803>What else could cheering toward having a "bottom of the barrel starting point" than for self-inserting of commies trying to upset the system. Well if it was just liking Spider for it, you could argue liking rags to riches stories, but since you bash Slime for essentially just having a better starting point, I don't see how it can come across as anything other than some Marxist BS reasoning.imagine every typing this messimagine ever unironically typing this mess because someone called your favorite chinese cartoon garbage I never said that in my life, but I feel like this is extremely fitting right now; take your meds, schizo >t-then what reason do you have for thisbecause slime is garbage and it was supposed to be good, now eat shit you dumb retard
>>214484327i think you watched a different show called infinity war or endgame
>>214533698See, that's where you are wrong Spider-kiddo. Slime is not some JRPG isekai counterpart story. It's a Strategy/RTS isekai counterpart story. Sometime like... dunno, Age of Wonders would perhaps be a good comparison? "Leaders" there are quite OP, like in the third one being able to cast spells on the other side of the world. even if they aren't present themselves.
>>214533877>I shall not.I literally just posted Ariel, anon. All you had to do was open the image. She does not "bow before Kumo". In fact, Kumo is effortlessly obliterated by a twitch of her hand.>By this criteria NOTHING ever helps her win fights directly. Nothing ever helps anyone win fights directlyWhatever you use to win the fight helps you win fights, idiot. What Kumo wins fights with is her Poison skills, her Thread Control skills, and eventually her Magic skills which is bolstered by Wisdom but not derived from Wisdom.Wisdom doesn't do shit on its own. It doesn't let you cast a single spell. You have to learn the magic normally.>t. humanIf we want to get real, there are NO humans in this story. Humanity is a species on Earth. These are just near-human aliens.
>>214533877>Oh, please. By this criteria NOTHING ever helps her win fights directly. Nothing ever helps anyone win fights directly. It's all just tools in a toolbox, and those tools just happen to grant victory.Same can be said of Slime too, even. The only reason to say he's just OP and never wins anything himself is just pure bias. I mean Slime's most powerful ability is just a machine that tells him how things work and calculates for him. Even the most powerful thing he ever did, during the Farmas invasion, was not just pure power that he was given from the start, it was him using his "toolbox" to create a power with his own intelligence.
>>214533917Thanks for confirming what >>214533708 anon said about you with your grade-school vocabulary that makes plebbitfags almost seem mature in comparison. Almost.But don't get me wrong. I don't dislike Spider myself and am reading it too and I do feel it's a shame that Spider got basically robbed with this CGI abomination, but don't let it out on another series, especially since the authors of both works seem to be friends.
>>214534210>w-what that anon said teeheeyou're not fooling anyone you dumb schizoslime is shit
>>214534283Take your meds.
>>214534283>If I keep repeating it like a mantra, one day everyone is going to believe me!
>>214534074>If we want to get real, there are NO humans in this story. Humanity is a species on Earth. These are just near-human aliens.If we're just gonna spoil things like that humanity is a multiplanetary species, seeded across many worlds by the god of humanity (slain by Meido). This world and Earth have the same variety of humans.
>>214534387>if I ignore all the arguments coming from your side and just start claiming that it's all a marxist ploy by some political entity then surely, everyone will see that I'm not the schizo here!you can't make this shit up
>>214534454What "arguments"? Have yet to hear anything aside from "weak start GOOD, strong start BAD".
>my stories' in-universe justifications for bad writing are better than yours Wow this thread has degenerated just in time for the bump limit
>>214534709>my stories' in-universe justifications for bad writing are better than yoursThat's what the thread has been since the very beginning.
>>214469915Those are some weak ass spider bitch
>>214531048Luckily the skill autism basically disappears entirely later on, but we'll only get there at the end of the second cour if at all.
>>214534751It was pretty civil most of the time. It had more of:>slime good and bad for these specific reasons >spider good and bad for these specific reasons>I prefer X personally, Y was kinda shit but whatevsthan:>my isekai protagonist is better than your isekai protagonist because the author decided to give the isekai powerup slightly later>no my isekai protagonist is better because 50000 volumes in there is an explanation on why this isekai powerup is not actually overpowered>MUH COMMIESt. Kumofag
>>214535290I just think they're both good and the shitflinging is uncalled for. I'm more of a slimefag though.
>>214531881The other reincarnations are also OP, and while they get one or two at best Kumo has five of them before becoming a god.
>>214535366Nobody is truly OP on a planet with Ariel and in a universe with D. They just thought they were OP.
>>214498055Ride on king might be the most based manga out there right now
>>214535290>my isekai protagonist is better than your isekai protagonist because the author decided to give the isekai powerup slightly laterSo why was it not this, but rather some super elaborate post trying to specifically downplay the other series with fancy words like >>214472254 used instead of... what you just said? Speaking of which, this is actually a fault of the kumo author too. Kumo LN vol. 9 and 10 each had at least one scene where one and the same thing is repeated for like 20 times in different words, one was the Sword Saint sasugai-ing about what a killing machine of a monster Wrath is, the other was the Colonel sasuga-ing Ariel for seeing through his scheme.
>>214535405Shiro is more powerful than Ariel later in the timeline, and also>you're not OP if you're not the single strongest entity in the universeChrist, just fucking stop it
>>214535724Shiraori takes a long, long, long time to reach that degree.And no, it's more like "you're not OP if you are constantly challenged". In Kumo the echelons of power keep climbing. Normal humans get left in the dust, sure, but what the fuck does that matter when she's still fighting dragons and the legendary queen taratect?
>>214535863>"you're not OP if you are constantly challenged"I guess Rimuru isn't OP, then.
>>214535570Kumo's author has good ideas but he's a bad writer. He can only write Kumoko's zany internal monologue properly and even then he fails when Kumoko has to get a little more introspective. The novels are so poorly written they feel more like anime screenplays than actual novels, which is I guess part of the reason why they put him at the helm of the anime adaptation's script.I mean I still enjoyed the novels, but they got heavily carried by Kumoko's zany internal monologue and the author's ideas about the world and its characters.
>>214533099>it allows her to instantly use ANY magic after witnessing it once without spending any skill points to buy the skill.Technically anyone can do that. It has more to do with her leveling detection to 10 so she gets as good of a view of the magic being cast as possible. Then she just imitates the structure.
>Umu, Demiurge please explain it to the others, in very easy terms, why the spider or slime is superior
>>214536253Too late the thread is at the verge of death
>>214536015He actually isn't. Well depending on what point in the story we are talking about. If it's where the anime is at right now, Rimuru would barely count as a Disaster class, comparable to the unawakened Demon Lords like Clayman, Frey and Carrion. He'd get beaten by some random aquatic monsters at this point, as some of those actually reach the power of an awakened demon lord. Rimuru could not even touch the double-digits of the Imperial Guardian Knights from the Eastern Empire. And Rimuru has actually become considerably stronger. When Rimuru only just came out of the cave, someone like Phobio was probably still stronger than him and even after eating Ifrit, Phobio would still "give Rimuru trouble in a fight", only after devouring the Orc Disaster, did he finally completely outmatch Phobio.