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>fuck, he actually was Kira.
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This was the best moment in the show.
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>show me your id
>ok lol detective senpai
what the FUCK was she thinking?
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>>211866102
>my husband died because he showed his id
>lemme show my id.
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Why did kira kill someone who did nothing wrong?
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>>211866433
he was mentally ill
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>>211866433
incel rage
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>>211865968
How does the book kill people again? Can it actually take control of people and compel them to do things? I thought it tries to set up some final destination shit to make the death happen
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>>211865968
couldn’t she have just lied about her 2nd ID as well? Weirdly enough Light never considered this, he took the risk and went straight into Kira-mode.
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>>211866494
>light
>incel
Even his sister wanted his d
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>>211866576
It can control their actions. The book is doing some kind of reality warping.
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>>211866576
If you just write a name and think of the face, the person will die of a heart attack. But you can write: OP leaves the house and gets hit on the head by a frozen piece of shit from an airplane and dies. Reality will change to accommodate that. We haven't seen what happens if you demand the impossible or absurd, e.g. "the person gets shot by aliens from outer space with a ray gun". You can write instructions so detailed, you can let the guys you kill write whole letters word by word.
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>>211866433
Light had a god complex so in his eyes she was wrong for opposing god.
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>>211865968
Me everytime I vote wrong in the final round of mongus and the real impostor says kek
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> if you don't support Kira you are pro crime
> he literally rid the world of crime and war
Yes this was mentioned in the background, he ended fucking wars! Come on. With those insane results any means are justified.
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>>211866649
>>211866494
light is volcel, a very autistic one at that too
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>>211866836
What if I write "OP loses his virginity then dies"?
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>>211866983
Yeah he literally did nothing wrong.
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>>211867019
OP here.
He will die still a virgin.
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>>211867019
the deathnote cant do things that are impossible
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>>211866836
>We haven't seen what happens if you demand the impossible or absurd,
We actually have seen at least the impossible part. The person will die of a heart attack
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>>211867019
op gets raped to death by a jogger
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>>211865968
Can you write person dies of old age with a loving wife in the death note
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>>211867633
Nope. You death it's either forced by the note "quicker" or you die by your natural death.
Like someone above said.
Death Note can't do things that are impossible.
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Why not just write that somebody else gets caught with a deathnote and is convicted of being kira, and executed? Fuck how was there even a case that kira was real, was there even any real evidence?
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>>211866141
How was she supposed to know this? She had ZERO info on how the death note worked. She was extremely intelligent and almost on par with L (her story describes how she solved a few big cases) but unlike L she is a human, she lost her husband and was still grieving. What was the probability of the chief police officers son having to know her name and her face in order to magically kill someone? She would be an great enemy against light but she lost because she was grieving and WANTED to get on the team.
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>>211868011
Are u a simp? Why are u trying to defend that dumb cunt lmao.
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>>211866036
It’s definitely a great moment but I really like this one because Kira wins after the odds are completely against him
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>>211867019
OP will die of a heart attack because it cannot fullfill the details
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>>211868071
Lol not defending but if 4chan would have been on the case they would all day screech "ITS ALIAN TECHNOLAGY FROM DA JOOZ"
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>>211868011
Didn't she already fake her name because she deduced that her husband showing his id is what killed him?
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>>211866836
Not entirely true, the death note will allow for some freedom in how the person dies, but it doesnt straight up bend reality to the users will, if the target is set to do something impossible or die from something impossible, or otherwise out of the realm of reasonability, the target will just have a heart attack. If you wrote:
>Target dies after being shot at by adolf hitler while running away from from a street light and having a plane fall out of the sky
what would actually happen is
>Target has a heart attack and drops dead
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Could Light have written "Misora has hot, steamy sex for 3 consecutive days with the first guy to tell her *codeword* and then disappears and kills herself"?
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>>211865968
This kill was the kill that pissed me off the most. She already knew she had to be careful and she was being careful but for some reason she says oh here is my ID I'll go about my day now. It was a literal checkmate scenario that the writer couldn't figure out an appropriate means to solve so he just makes a character inconsistent near the end.
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>>211867038
let’s do this again
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>>211869536
>muh socio economics
he killed murderers, not petty thieves
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>>211868861
Yes.
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>>211867038
He killed Raye Penber and other innocent people just because they were onto him which is morally wrong. I don’t think the ends justify the means in any case if innocent people are dying
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>>211869605
His first kill was a petty thug who was harassing some random woman outside a convenience store.
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>>211869536
A host of crimes plummeted worldwide because of him, Matsuda points this out early on and it's mentioned a year after he dies that crimes which all but disappeared made a resurgence to their previous levels. Matsuda and Aizawa basically say they shouldn't think about it because if they didn't stop Light they'd both be dead.
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>Death Note filled with smart characters they say
>Talentless Nana full of dumb characters they say
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>>211870105
It’s a very utilitarian way of looking at right and wrong and I don’t think it’s sustainable anyways
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>>211866983
better way to prevent war would be to kill every single world leader without stopping until people get the hint, but instead kira trusted the japanese police 100% in saying who was a criminal or not by reading the fucking daily news as if that shit is legtimate
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>>211870254
If you think the people he's killing don't deserve it but support him anyway because it's reducing crime it's utilitarian but it's not if you think their deaths are justified.
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>fuck, he actually was Kira.
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>>211869605
He killed a fucktonne of SUSPECTED petty criminals anon
niggas who weren't even convicted
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>>211865968
There are people still think that Kira's was good guy after this scene. Mull on that a bit.
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>>211869536
He's a genius, and also a Jap.
Of course he's not going to believe muh socio-economic nonsense invented by guilt ridden whites.
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>>211870515
Some of the people deserved it. But he based a lot of his killing on news stories so there’s not a lot of certainty there. BUT he was a teenager so he’s age appropriate retarded. If the death note was in the right hands it would’ve been justifiable.
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>>211867019
then OP becomes immortal
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>>211865968
NOT SO FAST KIRA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkEKuvVAKe8
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>>211866433
What do you mean? She clearly committed suicide because she was sad about the well-deserved death of her fiance.
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It's not just that he kills her, it's that he takes pleasure in doing so. He tells her he's Kira just in time for her to realize she's going to die before the Death Note takes control. There's no way you can justify that.
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>>211869536
There's disparities in levels of criminality even accounting for differences in economic status. The wealthiest blacks still commit more crime than the poorest whites on average in the US, for example.
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>>211869993
That's actually his second kill, retard. Also the guy was about to rape the woman, so your point doesn't really work, either.
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>>211873077
Nice try, Jontron. That's actually a completely false statistic.
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>>211865968
kira lost all sympathy from this point on
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>>211873287
Nice you watched the show correctly unlike half the people in this thread
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>>211873181
It's been a while since I read or watched the series, but I'm pretty sure he only went as far as making vulgar comments before being killed in the manga and the attempt rape was only in the anime.
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>>211865968
Oh my god, light, it's you !! you're the Death Note ?!!
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>>211873077
>citing the Jontron stat
Holy shit you're fucking retarded.
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>>211873590
No, restrained her and was taking her clothes off.
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>>211873590
he had his friends hold her while he tried taking her pants off retard
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>>211866494
>The literal top of the totem pole highschool chad
>incel rage
Is this projection, are you just retarded, is that your favourite buzzword, what gives?
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>>211874549
If that's Reddit, then shit, Reddit gets some things right.
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>>211874107
>>211873239
>seething samefag
It's true, which is why Light was perfectly correct to just eradicate criminals instead of trying to 'explain away' what made them criminals, as if that changes the facts of who/what they are.
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>>211874644
wtf I love bots and twitter migrants now
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>>211865968
That episode was so bad, she's the dumbest person alive not to suspect him saying don't go there don't go there don't go there oh give me your name k
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>>211868381
No it was because she's an agent on a secret mission and didn't want just about anyone to know who she was.
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>>211868155
>I'm going to gamble my life sanity and future on my subconscious choosing to wear my favorite watch
Death Note really does not hold up now that I'm not a teenager.
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Genuinely surprised that /a/ is filled with this many oversocialized, slave morality bugmen. Are you niggas seriously telling me that if you acquired a book with which you can kill anyone you want you wouldn't recreate the world in your image?
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>>211874644
>literally ruining the thread with your pol bullshit
>hahaha reddit gets things right why do people hate faggots like me
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>>211874936
I would focus on killing politicians and Steve Jobs types, personally.
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>>211874986
>literally ruining the thread with your pol bullshit
Ain't me, nerd.
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>>211865968
Should've shagged her first.
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>>211875048
Doesn't matter, you do whatever the fuck you want. No "b-but i'd be eeevul if i were to kill innocent peepul :((("
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>>211874936
i would have people die in the most gruesome and or wackiest deaths just for my amusement
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>>211869536
Bunch of BS. Vast majority of thefts are for non-essential items like alcohol.
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>>211874936
These people are lying to themselves or would rather not have the responsibility. In either case, inaction is allowing evil in the world to continue existing.
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>>211869413
She didn't just give him her ID, Light had to butter her up with hopes of joining the task force and avenging her fiance.
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>>211874663
Actually not me for one of those. I was just stating that the stat is factually wrong. Jontron is just someone who famously cited this completely fake stat, or the second guy saw my post and decidied to say the same thing.
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>believing jontron for crime statistics
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>>211875364
It’s not just anyone stealing alcohol we’re talking about homeless people who are sad and have sad lives and circumstances
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I actually watched Death Note for the first time a couple months ago.
Everything before the time skip is pretty good, but the show goes down the dump after L dies, like everyone says.
At least the finale was alright, even if I prefer the one in the manga.
Mikami was fucking entertaining.
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Maybe she was horny?
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>>211870525
L knew all along. He just couldn't prove it.
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>>211876637
>but the show goes down the dump after L dies, like everyone says.
I can't handle how bad it got.
Death Note needs a real spiritual successor already.
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>>211876706
He actually only knew when Misa found out and then made her announcement, prior to that he would always say things like "could Light truly be kira"?
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>>211868213
>ITS ALIAN TECHNOLAGY FROM DA JOOZ
That's actually pretty accurate to what the Death Note is though. It's a magic notebook from another world that has the power to kill.
>>211873181
That guy was a known gang member, repeat criminal, and was trying to rape someone.
>>211871165
People who he killed that weren't convicted were repeat offenders who used things like political ties or lack of evidence to avoid conviction.
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>>211876637
I had always assumed it would be bad because of its popularity, so I didn't watch it until last year. It was seriously one of the best shows I've ever watched, at least in the beginning. I dropped it a few episodes after L died because any suspension of disbelief they had created slipped away and it became too anime.
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>doesn't kill corrupt politicians, drug lords, terrorist leaders or anyone with actual power
ooga booga me god
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>>211877643
But he did.
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>>211877643
>>doesn't kill corrupt politicians, drug lords, terrorist leaders or anyone with actual power
Exactly this. This was my main problem with the character of Light and the entire story for that matter.
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Maybe I'm a fucking retard, but I didn't really get Melio and Near's gamble.
>We caught Kira thanks to Melio's sacrifice
Huh?
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>>211868213
>da jooz
Now it's the chinks and its true
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>>211877998
He was the one responsible for Mikami revealing the real death note.
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>>211878250
Retard.
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>>211878298
Why?
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>>211876465
Homeless people rarely venture into stores to commit thievery in the first place. It's way too obvious.
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>>211877956
I think the author wrote the story in a way to have mass appeal and not offend people in power. It would cut into his profits if his works get banned.
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>>211868861
based
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>>211868155
A fancy watch with a hidden compartment would draw attention. He's betting on no one mugging him and taking his watch and investigators not paying attention to it.
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>>211878639
That or the character simply killed these types of people off screen because the show was more about the cat and mouse chase than anything else.
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>>211874905
>my favorite watch
More likely his only watch. He knew that he would keep using that watch. He knew himself after all
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>>211873181
It was his first confirmed kill. Can you not contradict me? You're dumb secondary. He didn't kill the guy because he wanted to protect the pretty woman from imminent rape. You only think that because you are self inserting. Because you're an incel. And because you think yourself white knight in shining armor charging to defend the damsel in distress when you're actually a closeted faggot destined to be put to the dick. Light killed the biker because he felt the guy was a lascivious waste of space incapable of higher reasoning and he would have killed the woman as well had she acquiesced in his proposal to go out together and presumably do the sex while giving her name he would have killed her as well. Light despites coomers. Which is part of the reason he holds on to his virginity despite landing a model as a girlfriend. That is why if he knew you're name and face he'd give you a quick look and a scribble in his note and go on with his work.
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>>211865968
When I saw that scene, I thought that in her place, I would have been safe.
Nobody has ever been able to write down my full name properly, even if they have my ID card. Even my ID card has a typo on it.
Kira would be like
> Wait was it a i or y? Are you sure there's no u here? Shouldn't this end with a e?
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>>211878898
>He's betting on no one mugging him and taking his watch
He lives in japan.
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Light is gay but also homophobic.
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>>211879352
You okay there buddy? Maybe you should take a break and calm down.
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>>211879352
I am going to pull a Light and determine by your poor usage of English that you're an ESL and thus incapable of higher reasoning so responding in earnest would be pointless.
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>>211867633
the book aparently has a 23 day max time limit, so if you put
>dies peacefully at 90old
while being 23, you will just get a heart attack 23 days later, this is how L from the live action wins, he writes his name dying 23 days later painlessly and becomes immune to the death note during those 23 days
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>>211879475
is Yotsuba old enough to be attracted to boys? how would she react to a kiss from a nice stranger?
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>>211879970
You could kill a person at any time prior to their original death day but you can only control them for 23 days.
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>>211866433
Because she had info that could lead to his capture so he had to get rid of her.
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>>211866433
>>211866494
>>211866649
>>211874597
>incel
>voX
kill yourselves newcancer
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>>211869880
>I don’t think the ends justify the means in any case if innocent people are dying
If he got the world he was trying to get far less innocent people would've had to die.
You wouldn't pull the lever in the trolley problem would you? Sure much much MUCH more innocent people are going to die but at least we saved a few innocent lives right?

You have to look at the big picture.
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Naomi had a great ass
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>>211879352
>Holy fuck! This sounds so cool when it's free of typo's and spellcheck errors.

It was his first confirmed kill. Can you not contradict me? You're a dumb secondary. Where do you get the confidence from to contract people? He didn't kill the guy because he wanted to protect the pretty woman from imminent rape. You only think that because you are self inserting. You think that because you're an incel. And because you think yourself a white knight in shining armor charging to defend a damsel in distress when you're actually a closeted faggot destined to be put to the dick. Light Yagami killed the biker because he felt the guy was a lascivious waste of space. Because he thought him incapable of higher reasoning. And Light Yagami would have killed the woman as well had she acquiesced in his proposal to go out together and presumably do the sex thing. Had she given her name of course. Light Yagami despises coomers. Which is part of the reason he holds on to his virginity despite landing a model girlfriend. And that's also why, if he knew your name and face, he'd give you a quick look and a scribble in his Note and go on with his work.
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>>211874905
this, Death note has so much shit that is fucking unbelievable that is played as smart moves
>Misa tricks Higuchi that she has a death note without knowing how the fuck the damn thing works because she has no memories
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>>211865968
So why did Light feel the need taunt and gloat about killing her right to her face instead of showing a little remorse about having to kill an innocent? Sounds kind of evil to me.
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>>211880131
Try anything and I'll gut you like a fish.
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>>211865968
The weird thing was how he was following her. I would’ve been weirded out even after his “confession” that he works for the police. No one follows someone like that after they say goodbye. She even turned around and told him to fuck off but he kept following her. Suspicious
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>>211877098
>could Light truly be kira
I always interpreted that as somebody who had strong suspicions, but refused to accept the absolutely insane truth that a high school teenager had developed a futuristic/supernatural weapon capable of murdering everyone on the planet at a moments whim and that he was trying use his new found power to become a living god.

The new oneshot where the Death Note user tries to become a millionaire is far more to speed what you would expect out of some regular teen. Of course, Light's ego mania was a major premise of the show.
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>>211881439
Besides being a psycho he also loves the thrill of danger which is why he gets a kick out of revising his identity to his victims before they kick the bucket.
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>>211881697
man this, i know nip culture is fucking different but someone following you in real life would trigger several red flags on someone, honestly is completely shit writing that she fell for that bait even after Light went full creep, at least she was smarter in the Japanese movies, shame that version of light is even more ruthless and cunning
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I like Near.
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I always thought how Light lost at the end didn't really make any sense
Really, he didn't have a backup plan? He didn't have Mikami have torn pages of the death note on him at all times like Light does? Mikami fucking puts the death note in a locker to keep it "safe" you'd think Light, who had got this far, would have Mikami have spare paper for an emergency like taking out the final threats to his rule.
Mikami was crazy, Light could've told him to keep sheets in his ass and he would've done it.

It just feels so forced to have him fail like this.
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>>211881697
I don't think it would have been too weird after his confession because the setup was that not only was he working for the police but he was also an inexperienced minor, so that could explain his awkward behavior.
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I don't mind near
L, mello, and the CIA did all the work anyways
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>>211866102
"You remind me of L."
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>>211882552
It was definitely an ass pull all the way. Gevanni perfectly forging every single page of the death note in one night is also amusing given how many names must have been written in there.
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>>211882958
Light got cocky and it caught up to him, that's all.
He underestimated Mikami's competence and didn't realize the significance of Mello's actions because he thought he had it all figured out.
He didn't.
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>>211883134
Fuck, this is for
>>211882552
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>>211882552
Yeah, agreed. I feel like they ran out of ass pulls and decided to end it while they were "ahead."
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>>211883134
But he also gave Mikami instructions not to make any unnecessary movements until that day.
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>>211882552
They never allow bad guys to win in fiction.
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>>211883320
He also told Mikami his hands were tied, that he was unable to act. Mikami had no way of knowing Light would kill Takeda himself, he just knew she had to be taken care of.
Light can be blamed every bit as much as Mikami. The true culprit, though, is Mello, who cut off communication between the two Kiras leading to this exact scenario.
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>>211879475
Crime rate being low in Japan doesn't mean it's nonexistent. Light, of all people, should know better.
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>>211883134
So after going this far he was like "Eh well surely nothing can go wrong, guess I don't need to try anymore!"
Bullshit.
>>211883294
Yeah I feel like their problem was they had to have Light lose somehow but he was way too smart to lose
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>>211883505
>"Eh well surely nothing can go wrong, guess I don't need to try anymore!"
No, obviously he still had a pretty elaborate plan in action. Do you not know how to read? He was overconfident in his plan. He got cocky.
He didn't see Near as L-tier, he looked down on him - and if not for the actions of Mello, Light would have won.
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Are there more reverse survival game anime/manga like Death Note?
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>>211869536
Of course it's a fucking iphone poster
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>>211883483
Yeah but he was under custody when he enacted his plan and he wouldn't be set free until his plan is finished. So how was he supposed to get mugged?
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>>211883612
>reverse survival game
I never thought about it like that.
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>>211883480
Fair enough.
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>It literally just didn't occur to me that being dumb and violent also tends to make you poor
>Literally nothing besides gargling nigger dicks has ever crossed my mind
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>>211883678
He wasn't under constant surveillance so muggings are still a possibility. The investigators might also take interest in his watch since it has a secret compartment. I doubt it's custom made.
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>>211884007
knowing Light, it probably was.
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>>211883896
why does she sit like that?
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>>211884007
>he wasn't under constant surveillance
He went from being locked up and under constant surveillance to begin handcuffed to L.
>his watch had secret components
Which they didn't know about because it looked like a regular watch.
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All the female characters in Death Note are a bunch of fragile idiots who are easily won over by Light's perfect hair. The author can't write women for shit.

Naomi Misora was the only interesting female character, and she's killed off in like two chapters. It was a missed opportunity. Misora working with L could have been interesting, but NO. In the end she was a dumbass throwaway character.
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>>211884354
She has her own book bro. Surprisingly decent.
Not written by the same author so your point still stands.
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>>211884354
>female characters in Death Note are a bunch of fragile idiots who are easily won over
It's almost like they were introduced as background characters to serve a purpose for the plot.
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>>211884354
Clearly you don't know what women are like, Light was able to seduce and charm women, get them to lower their guard just like Ted Bundy did IRL.
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I can masturbate to this.
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>>211884007
Just because something is possible doesn't mean it will happen. And either way it was just a gamble that just happened to work out, not a perfect plan
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>Reverse image search
>Scat version
>Piss version
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>>211884354
The characterization is fine you're just a braindead whiteknight.
The detective was mature because she was of a mature age and profession.
You wanting all the wahmen to be paragons of rationality doesn't mean making the fucking idol a fragile idiot is bad writing
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>>211883483
You seem to forget that this is Death Note we're talking about, where one of the main points of the show is that crime is at an all-time low because of Kira.
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>>211866836
This is your average retard who knows jack shit about the media and yet tries to argue points anyway and thinks he's right
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>>211870337
No he didn't you fucking dumb faggot. If you actually read or watched the anime you would know this isn't true.
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>>211879034
Nope it was about what can truly be considered justice. Dumb fucking fag
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>>211886098
No it was about the cat and mouse chase, everything else was secondary.
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>>211886160
The mangaka said himself that it was about the perception of justice, dipshit. Did you read that interview? No, you didn't, you're just a stupid fucking nigger pontificating on shit he knows nothing about.
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how does /a/ use the death note to become rich without creating suspicion about where the money is coming from?
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>>211886280
The mangaka said that he didn't want to focus too much on that because he thought it would be preachy and mess with the pacing.
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>>211865968
This moment is,excuse my words oldfags..but it truly is absolute KINO.
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Why the fuck would you kill the police officer that was fucking survelling you
Why, god damn fucking retard WHY
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>>211886765
He didn't focus on it but that was the whole fucking point. They outright both say "I am justice."
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>>211866836
>Reality will change to accommodate that.
what? Not at all, we haven't seen those kind of deaths, all the deaths were things the victims were doing it by themselves not depending on a 3rd factor
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>>211879475
kys japanotaku freak
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>>211879352
He never killed vulgar or degenerate people though, only criminals, never poor or just plain stupid ones.
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>>211886945
Yes but I'd argue that the cat and mouse chase was more important to the story than the theme of justice.
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>>211874936
No, because if such thing existed would indeed prove the existence of at least "hell" or something similiar and if a monster appeared to me telling me "you know, you can use this thing to shape this world you're going to live for 80 years but then all the rest of the eternity your soul will be on gulag" it would extremely stupid to accept that.
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Can you use the deathnote to have someone have sex with you?
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reminder that the only reason L lost was because Light had way to much nepotism, the police force are more guilty of L's death than Light himself
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>>211887168
You can argue that all you want, it doesn't change the fact that that wasn't the intention. That's also why it didn't end when L died.
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>>211887264
You don't go to hell for using the notebook you dumb fucking nigger. Did you pay attention at all
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>>211887275
Yes. But then she'd die right after so you have to specify
>X has sex with me
>X dies on 1/1/2050 of a heart attack
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>>211887539
why even have the rule in the first place? also a world with magical notebooks and Shinigamis is okay but the concept of Hell or Heaven isn't? Ryuk himself doesn't understand the death note fully how can he be sure? after all its the Sking who decides the rules
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>>211887338
Bullshit L suspected that the rules were fake and he didn't take Rem into consideration, that's why he lost.
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>>211887539
Yeah, you go to hell for killing other people. The notebook is called a Death Note and when you write in it you kill people
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>>211865968
>Light helps his sister with her homework leading to Ryuk telling him new information about the death note that he uses to kill the FBI agents.
>Light does a favor for his sister bringing their dad clothes and encounters the one person with information that can lead to his discovery, allowing him to avoid an immediate loss.
>Light thinks about killing his sister and only doesn't go through with it because her death would implicate him, causing him to lose to Near.
Be nice to your little sister lads.
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>>211887518
Like I said the intention was to simply have a thrilling cat and mouse chase and everything else was secondary.
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>>211887813
That last part isn't true. He was clearly sweating over the idea of killing her even before he comes to that conclusion.
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>>211888100
He didn't want to kill her, but he made the decision not to do so because it would reveal that he was Kira.
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would the shinigami's eyes work if you "forget" about the deal with the death note?
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>>211888249
If you forfeit ownership you lose the eyes. Misa had to make the deal a second time.
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>>211887275
>The conditions of death will not be realized unless they are physically possible for that human or could be reasonably assumed to be carried out by that human.
That depends on the following. Can it be reasonably assumed that any one would ever have sex with you?
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>>211866645
Ryuk wasnt going apeshit with laughter iirc so Light knew it was legit
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>>211866836
>>211886964
>>211867428
do you guys not remember the scene where light experiments on prisoners to do these impossible things you're talking about? For example getting a prisoner to get to london in an unreasonable time?
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>>211874936
I'd become a hitman
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>>211865968
Kira's whole motivation was stupid in the first place. He wanted to kill criminals that were already imprisoned. Not even big dangerous ones, but just random criminals.

Even with a god complex, it would make sense to focus on just killing world leaders.
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>That one video where a guy goes on about how Batman would solve the Kira case just by looking at Light
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>>211889458
Seth the programmer?
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>>211865968
So could you kill someone by writing that they were assassinated? like not specific other than that
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>>211889633
You would have to set up a situation where that could be possible.
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>>211889633
Probably. Having a person killed by someone else was not something tested in the Anime/Manga.
The closest was accidental deaths from car crashes.
It might depend on how well protected the target is. for example: Trump might be too well protected for an assassin to get to him leaving him to die of a heart attack.
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>>211882849
Good point anon. But I'd make a distinction that Light and L aren't poorly written characters, they're well-written characters in every aspect except their "genius" asspulls.
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>>211889633
>>211889682
>>211889744
You would have to write two names.

Person A, stabbed to death
Person A wears a blue shirt, goes to the train station and is stabbed, bleeds out.

Person B, suicide
Person B goes to the train station and stabs a man in a blue shirt. Afterwards stabs himself to death.
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>>211879352
>Which is part of the reason he holds on to his virginity despite landing a model as a girlfriend.
Dude wtf? He literally seduced that TV reporter and used sex to manipulate Misa.
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>>211866494
Literally this.
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>>211867019
Nice try OP.

>>211872633
lol
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Can anyone here teach me how to swim?
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>>211889574
yeah, that one
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>>211889805
but the driver of the car who killed the bus guy wasn't written that they'll die but the Death Note still created a scenario where they killed someone, so why could you write that they were "assassinated" and then a situation arises where some random psychopath decides to go shoot at this one person?
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>>211866036
Yeah it proves women are dumb.
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>>211889954
That wasn't murder though, it's closer to accidental death. There is a rule that specifies, you cannot make people murder other people without writing both names down.
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>>211890008
so then "stray bullet to the head"? since it'd be from someone misfiring a gun or something
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>>211890040
You could try stray bullet for the cause of death, but you may need to set up someone having a gun.
I'd say it's up in the air - you could chance it, but if there isn't anyone with a gun around, your victim may just die of a heart attack.
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>>211890040
>>211890097
Person A, hit by a stray bullet
Person A goes to [Location] on [Day] at [Time] and is hit by a stray bullet, dies immediately.

Person B, suicide
Person B brings a gun to [Location] on [Day] at [Time] and begins firing randomly, a stray bullet hits one passerby, killing them. The gunman then shoots himself in the head.

You also risk breaking another rule, you have to word it carefully. You can't, say, have the gunman fire randomly into a crowd and kill more people without writing each person's name down, otherwise the gunman will just die of a heart attack.
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>>211886945
L saying that felt OOC as hell in hindsight as soon as we got to actually know him desu
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>>211890199
I'm thinking you write that in a week they'll die of a stray bullet while at X location, then the Death Note would have time to manipulate events to cause it to happen
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>>211890273
The Death Note can't manipulate the actions of someone whose name isn't written in the notebook. It's not a matter of giving the Death Note time, you need to meet the prerequisites yourself.
Either you write a second person's name down or you somehow otherwise set up someone to be firing a gun at that place/time.
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>>211870525
He actually has an internal monologue when he dies in the manga
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>>211879352
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>>211890273
>>211890412
It's still a bit ambiguous and I'm not saying it 100% wouldn't work, but you're better off setting up as much as you can, otherwise you may just end up with the default heart attack.
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>>211889374

Right? World leaders names and even CEOs of big companies in the stock market are all public knowledge and those are the people that make the biggest impact on the world. Killing every single one and then cohercing, threatening or controlling the second string is probably the easiest, fastest, less bloody and less traceable way to acomplish any real change.
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>>211890412
>The Death Note can't manipulate the actions of someone whose name isn't written in the notebook.
It clearly manipulated Truck-kun into running into the motorcycle rapist.
Homicide might be trickier and need more setup, but we can't say for sure since it was never used.
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>>211890547
the rules seem concern about causing more than the written person's death rather than someone killing someone else, like if you wanted someone specific to kill someone you'd have to do both but accidental death by stray bullet could be just like rando gun otaku misfires his gun and it happens to hit that guy, freak accident
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>>211890695
I figure with things like accidental death it's a lot easier to bend fate, the problem comes from directly controlling people's actions/intent.

>>211890732
You could have Person A go to a gun range and have stray bullet as the cause of death, that should work under accidental death.
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>>211887665
>>211887760
>All humans will, without exception, eventually die.
>After they die, the place they go is MU (Nothingness).
Death Note users don't go to heaven or hell because neither of them exist.
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>>211865968
hi
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>>211890695
>>211890771
>the problem comes from directly controlling people's actions/intent.
Things like "hit by truck" I see more as an accident than actually controlling the driver to make them kill the victim.
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>>211890851
its preventing the driver from being able to avoid the accident at least
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>>211890851
It could also limit manipulation to the named victim. the bike rapist did suddenly drive into the street, which he might not have done without the note affecting him.
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>>211887539
Well I don't remember exactly but I know there are consequences for you using it, was your soul going to some shitty place like where the Shinigami was from or something? I don't remember but certainly my point still stands, it's an extremely stupid deal
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>>211890867
Making the driver momentarily oblivious is most likely. At the same time, Takuo Shibuimaru was under the influence of the DN and drove his motorcycle into the truck's path.

If we revisit our stray bullet scenario, you could probably get away with:

Person, stray bullet wound
Person goes to [specific gun range] and gets hit with a stray bullet, dying from this wound.

That might work - but again, there is a specific rule in the DN about murder. You'd be chancing it as an accidental death.

>>211890934
Well yeah, he positioned himself to die because he was being controlled by the Death Note. It probably controlled him to get to the nearest place for him to get hit by a car.
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>>211889121
I don't remember but sure the guy actually died from a heart attack
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>>211890994
Everyone in the DN universe goes to oblivion when they die.
Note users, good people, bad people, it's all over once you kick it.
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>>211890994
No it sets up the you won't go to Heaven or Hell thing at the beginning then reveals the rest of the conversation in the ending where a flashback reveals "Because there isn't such a thing"
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>>211886497
Look for rich victim who's into investing. Choose a penny stock with very low volume and buy a huge amount. Have him use his to pump that penny stock at a specific time, then you dump all of your shares. Repeat with another victim.

Take up painting and drawing. Create some bullshit abstract art and sell them online. Have the victim buy your art at very high prices.
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>>211890801
>>After they die, the place they go is MU (Nothingness).
Back this up, now. I know there were consequences of using the death note
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>>211891094
People who use the Death Note are cursed with misfortune. That's it.
Brought up at least twice throughout the series. Light shrugs it off.
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>>211891094
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>>211874310
>>211874498
The worst we see in the manga is one guy with his hand on her back. It may have gone further than that if Light hadn't intervened, but that's all we see.
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>>211891094
I just quoted the rules of the Death Note
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>>211891094
It's one of the how to use pages.
Read the fucking manga.
Or watch the anime.
I swear to god, these faggots who don't know the series they're discussing have been a fucking plague on this site lately. What the hell is wrong with /a/ these days.
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>>211891142
>>211891166
>>211891181
fair, fuck my brain and take the deal
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>>211891241
yeah but I thought that was only for the people who used it and heaven/hell was still a thing
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>>211891142
First time is when Soichiro has a heart attack, when Light is leaving the hospital. Ryuk says those who use the Death Note are cursed with misfortune, Light disagrees, saying the Death Note is the best thing to happen to him, and that he doesn't intend to follow that pattern.

Second is when Soichiro dies, Ryuk jests that while those who use the DN are cursed, technically Soichiro never actually used it, and therefore got to die believing his son isn't Kira. Though you could still argue him dying at all is misfortune caused by the Death Note.
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>>211887338
If anything, L came so close to winning BECAUSE of Light's nepotism. If Light never accessed the police files L would have never been able to narrow down the pool of possible culprits so much and the investigation would be severely slowed.
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>>211889374
That won't accomplish anything. For every dead world leader, there would be thousands more ready to take their place. You only create temporary chaos without solving any problems. It won't take long before the circumstances that lead to the sudden deaths are figured out and the future people taking the reins of power would create alternate identities or work through proxies in order circumvent Kira's control.
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>>211891280
No you retard.
All humans eventually die.
After they die, they go to MU.
Just do everyone a favor and just go kill yourself.
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>>211891315
>p-p-please do us a favour a-and kill yourself
someone doesn't have a DN
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>>211889374
Headcanon. Light killed criminals in and out of prison, he killed all sorts of people who caused problems in the world they just never focused on this in the story.
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>>211885578
haha where haha
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>>211865968
This was the only part that semi-decently pulled off the feeling of the main character actually outwitting somebody.
It's a travesty that Light was able to kill L so easily by just getting Rem to do it. Never had to actually figure out his real name or outsmart him. It was good that they set up Ryuuk as refusing to actually help Light, and Light refusing the Shinigami eye deal, then fucked it up by introducing another Shinigami that Light could too easily manipulate just because he can easily convince Misa to do anything he wants. It felt so contrived and anticlimactic. And the author even wrote himself out of that corner, but then back into it by bringing Misa back.
It broke the story by having Misa have all of the OP abilities that Light does not have access to initially, but then she just does whatever he wants so he does have those powers by extension. It makes everything too easy and ruins the plot
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Light believes all women.
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>>211891611
Imagine a modern take on Death Note with a female protagonist scrolling through Twitter.
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>>211865968
this was the best moment of the show hands down
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>>211891595
Rem and Misa were a determined to Light and the fact that he was able to to turn a problem into a solution is what made it so satisfying.
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>>211865968
Always thought her fiancée was kind of a condescending prick towards her.
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>>211866649
Man Sayu is a real hottie.
I wouldn't mind if Light hit that.
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>>211887813
Wait are his mother and sister in the manga or something? I never liked how they just disappeared after a certain point in the anime as it could've been really interesting.
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>>211892236
Time for a rewatch bro
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>>211868071
>are you a simp
yes.png
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>>211892188
Would you nurse her out of her trauma?
Would you help her walk again?

>>211892236
About the same as the anime. There for the first bit before Light make his prison gambit then nothing until Mello kidnaps Sayu
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>>211887092
butthurt lol
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this scene literally surpassed kino t b h
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>>211879352
KEK
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https://youtu.be/C65oaIHsdYM
god this is good
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>>211892305
There's also a family scene after the time skip where Sayu calls Matsuda a creepy geez
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>>211892408
I still hold that this and Zero Requiem were the most epic shit to ever happen in TV anime, I really can't think of a moment from the last ten years that has this level of climax in plot, character, and presentation

When I was reading the manga I almost thought Light was gonna be a good guy. This moment broke my high-school self's morale lol
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>>211892483
light was a good guy if you skip the second half.
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ive watched it about 7, 8 times
i watched code geass 9 times
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>>211891611
delete this
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>>211891682
There was a shitty Black MIrror episode kinda like that
TL note: almost every episode of Black Mirror is shitty
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>>211892483
>I really can't think of a moment from the last ten years that has this level of climax in plot, character, and presentation
naruto vs sasuke
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>>211892483
tfw i spoiled myself with lelous death using google
kill me bros
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>>211892846
I'll accept that this might possibly be true but only because I haven't sat through Naruto
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>>211877316
>too anime
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>>211893303
I can kinda see what he means. Death Note was relatively grounded given its fantastical premise and popularity
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>>211874905
test
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>>211893348
That's a fair point, but this is the anime board of an anime website. I just thought it was ironic for someone here to criticizing an anime for being "too anime" given those circumstances.
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>>211893381
cricket
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I really love this scene since it's really the turning point for Light having to go about an extremely roundabout way to kill L and L's expression of winning is just so perfect as he figures it all out right there as the phone rings in his hands.
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>>211893527
How did Misa download the OP for her ringtone?
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>>211882849
Sherlock Holmes, in all of his incarnations and portrayals, was never intended to be stories about stunning the reader with the incomparable brilliance of his deductions. They are treated as his quirk, more than the crux of any story. The deductions are, and always were, just a vehicle for the character drama.
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Never did get around to consuming this. Anime or manga, which should I choose?
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>>211893702
Anime is top notch. Manga has a few slight changes in the second arc and an alternate ending. YMMV
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>>211893702
Latter half of the manga gives better reasoning behind some of the investigators deductions. Other than that they are pretty much the same.
Pick which you like better.
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>>211893792
Always wondered why they gimped the second arc in the anime. They cut a good amount of shit.
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>>211893666
I'd say rather it's a vehicle for the mystery drama to happen; there's no denying a lot of it happens. I didn't care for the background characters anyway.
>>211893702
If you opt for the manga, definitely do it with op/ed running in a havkzoo mp3 player on the background.
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>>211893847
gotta squeeze it into 39 episodes, I guess.
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>>211893847
The part where they kidnap Mogi and think he's being manipulated to not say anything only to find that he is really that composed was pretty funny.
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>>211874905
This is a sign that you don't wear a watch. I've known family and friends who will wear the same watch everyday all fucking day apart from sleeping/showering.
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>>211893702
30 years later and it's still said to be the best anime ever
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>>211878639
If Death Note got a new manga with the same concept I think the author can push quite a few buttons actually. Imagine Light killing CCP members/Putin/Panama paper guys.

Or hell, make him responsible for the death of Epstein.
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>>211894242
*I meant a reboot with the same characters
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>>211894242
Killing enemy politicians is too simple. If you really want to cause a ruckus with a Death Note, you target your own, contriving the circumstances to be committed by the enemy party. Hell, it worked for 9/11.
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>>211894218
>30 years later
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>>211894324
You can't kill anyone directly with the death note but could you do something indirectly?
Like have a world leader declare war on another country before dying weeks later.
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>>211866433
if he never tried to kill L, none of this would have happened
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>>211894943
if that world leader was capable of performing such an action unilaterally, yeah sure.
did you not watch / read DN? remember when Light was having inmates write bizarre poetry on walls about things they'd never heard of? or like... the incident from the OP image?
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>>211894943
It is possible to decrease individuals lifespans without writing their name in the note, so that might be possible.
Declaring war would probably not work too well since you only have 23 days before the leader dies and war might not be popular enough to sustain morale among the population even if you keep manipulating successors. A better option would be to have a foreign national kill a popular politician or have another politician publicize any classified documents that would cause tensions between nations before committing suicide.
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>>211881804
I always took it as L's fatal flaw being that he had to be 100% certain before acting. Even by the end, when he was 99.99% sure, he couldn't go through with acting. He's a great character, but people acting like he was flawless clearly don't understand the character.
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>>211876706
More like "b-b-but he's my only friend n-no way"
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>>211894943
as long as no one knows who'll die in the wars, prbably
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>>211895420
L never considered Light a friend.
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>>211895493
absolutely not true. He definitely considered Light a friend when he definitely wasn't Kira. That's why he was so sad on the roof, he knew whatever he had considered his friend had been replaced by Kira again and there was nothing he could do about it.
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>>211877063
>Death Note needs a real spiritual successor already.
>cute pink MC kills everyone but gets away with everything
>L representation literally can't die
Nana is a perfect successor.
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>>211866576
Light could literally write:
>She will suck my dick and swallow every last drop of my cum and then hang herself.
And she she would do it.
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>>211894409
god i love this anime mirai a cute
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>>211895493
retard
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>>211895790
His closeness with him was always a means to an end. L was never able to fully have confidence in him. It was always just L being suspicious of Light.
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>>211865968
Light should've fucked her. She had a bangin' ass from what I remember.
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>>211895575
Nana works for the gov't so it doesn't count.
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>>211891032
He did, but he dropped dead in his cell. Light said he wrote a condition that was deliberately impossible. He says that it can't make the impossible happen, but as long as it's something that could reasonably happen, it does.
He also tries to make a prisoner draw L's face and another write that L is suspicious of the Japanese police. Both fail, the former because he doesn't know what L looks like, the latter because that's not something he could've come up with on his own.

>>211895965
Doing it with the Death Note might cause awkward problems later.
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>>211896465
>I only need a faggot MC with a god complex doing things out of his own faggotness
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>>211892188
Ok cuck
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>>211866645
https://youtu.be/GkEKuvVAKe8

>>211888847
But he was laughing the first time when she gave a fake ID as well. It's actually what tipped Light that it was fake.
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Why are all the Death Note threads so fucking good?
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>>211869536
And? So what if peasants feel compelled to act in retarded ways? Fuck 'em, don't need 'em.
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>>211865968
>not manipulating her into fucking her beforehand

faggot
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>>211866494
that's the Netflix version
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>>211899421
If her body is found you don't want them to find a bunch of your semen up her asshole.
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>>211865968
Why is she so hot?
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>>211866036
wrong
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>>211893383
Yeah, probably a bad way of putting it. I clearly like anime, but as an adjective, I think it summarizes what happened to death note pretty well. Suddenly hair colors, people having random ticks to try and make them unique, one of the main characters is now a genius child, a death note gets strapped to a rocket or whatever the fuck happened, Light acts like an idiot solely because they need him to.
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>>211899829
Why not? Fucking someone's ass does not imply you murdered them.
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>>211868071
>Are u a simp? Why are u trying to defend that dumb cunt lmao.
You need to go back, I can't stand this anymore
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>>211902019
It raises questions.
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>>211902019
>>211902357
It really does, when the case has little or no hard evidence. Made worse by the fact that her fiance just died to Kira, with you as a suspect, while it's a known fact that Kira can control his victim's actions.
There's little hard evidence but enough circumstantial evidence to put the squeeze on you. It wouldn't really a be problem, considering that Light explicitly writes that she kills herself in a way that nobody finds her body.

Speaking of, how do you suppose she did that? The three scenarios that immediately come to mind are particularly intense fire, cement shoes or hopping into a woodchipper.
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>>211868071
>simp
go back
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>>211889351
Based and 47 pilled
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>>211899709
reported for watching the netflix version
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>>211902799
That's not even the worst part of that post.
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>>211898518
>don't need peasants
How to out yourself as a valley white boi, bet you think bread happens due to magic
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>>211880462
So many stupid fucking niggers in these threads. Rem told her how to use it, dipshit.
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>>211895047
*If L never tried to catch him
FTFY
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>>211902725
>wouldn't really a be problem, considering that Light explicitly writes that she kills herself in a way that nobody finds her body.
It can't do the impossible. The chances that her suicide can't be discovered will never be zero.
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>>211903626
It's not necessarily impossible. But even if she's found it may be too long after the Kira investigation to make a difference, or at least long enough for the semen to no longer to be viable evidence.
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>>211895575
>retarded people the show
That's not how Death Note worked.
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>>211895575
Is this a Danganronpa clone?
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>>211902725
Woodchipper is a terrible idea. There's a very good chance someone will find it, and it's going to be filled with DNA. Going far out to sea with a boat and donning the cement shoes might work well if you can make the boat untraceable.
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>>211903865
Yea, the woodchipper was a terrible idea. But I'm thinking if she builds or buys a rowboat, puts on the shoes (or drops anchor with her tied in line with it) and then sinks the boat.
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>>211886902
Yeah, I know. He did it because both him and Ryuk didn't want a dude stalking them. And because the plot had to advance somehow
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>>211866433
She had info that would lead to Hillary Clinton's captur-
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>>211895918
>to be considered a friend you need to unconditionally trust somebody
i bet you would trust a friend your credit cards and bank accounts and all passwords, after all, why wouldn't you trust him, right?
idiot



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