/wip/ - Works in Progress- Collage Edition: Series 4 ->And we're back!Post your work-in-progress projects, recently finished projects, or things you'd like critiqued here.Previous thread: >>890966List of free resources: https://pastebin.com/cZLVnNtB (embed)/3/ Discord for those interested: https://discord.gg/ujt5vtr4DE
Yo dudes, OP here.If you're wondering why there isn't a lot in the collage despite a lot being posted in the last thread, for the time being, I'm treating the "images posted as a transparent PNG" thing as a slightly harder guideline. I'm still getting a feel for how much I want to deviate from the rule, so for the first round I figured I'd do ONLY the transparent images (with the exception of environments). As the series progresses, I'll be feeling out how many images I'm able to get into the OP in a timely manner that aren't transparent.If getting into the OP isn't important to you, no worries, keep posting as you do. If you'd like to contribute to the collage however, posting a transparent image is the way to go.
>>894079Great work OP, thank you for your service.
>>894079Why do you waste your time making a collage with all this bad art? No one who is good posts anything on 4chan of all places. Its all artstation and discord.
Thanks 86anon your WIP finally got my brother to open blender and try learning it. I've been telling him to pick up blender and get back into drawing for years, but you did the trick lol. With the right motivation hopefully he'll make something that can inspire someone else too
when will ai retopo come to save us scrubs
>>894110Why you seething?
>>894121the what now?
>>89411286anon here, never I thought I would inspire someone to learn new stuff when I too was inspired just looking at artstation, twitter and zbrushcentral all when covid started Lol.
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How's the textures now?
>>894078It's been a while since I last posted an update on this, but the Reggie model I'm working on is coming together very nicely. I managed to recently complete the hair and clothes and so far the rigging hasn't fallen apart.
>>894079i hate being that one guy but i think the collage thing's been overdone to be honest. >>894110pyw or kys
>>894162Yeah, same. He didn't put even half of the models on the last thread on this image.
>>894079I think it's a good balance, and I really like what you've done with what is there. Way to keep the fun going, OP.>>894110Why are you such a buzzkill, and why even come to this thread? I don't think almost anybody posting art in these threads has any misconceptions about their skill; it's just fun and practice for mostly novice people working on a hobby.
>>894110Here's your (You) you were expecting.I know you're having fun being like this all the time, but you may want to look into why acting like this gives you pleasure. Mentally healthy people don't roam image boards saying negative things to get attention.
>>894110Fuck off faggot, CollageAnon is a chad and not a useless doomer like yourself
>>894093No problemo.>>894110I like to be nice to people because it makes people happy. Maybe you could learn a thing or two.>>894162>the collage thing's been overdone to be honest.I'd agree, but when I took a break from it, people wanted it back.>>894166Read the first post.I'll be ramping up what goes into the collage that aren't posted as transparent, but for the first round I was posting only the transparent ones to get a feel for how long it took. I don't want to burn myself out like last time, so I'm trying to find a good balance of posts that don't take 2-3 hours to add. Most of the time spent getting the collage together was just cutting out images from the background. It's not really the fun part of making the collage, and if it's not fun, it's work. And I've got other things I consider "work", that I probably could and should be doing.
>>894155Cute Rat Boy.
>>894214Here's a posed shot
>>894223a rat is fine too...*unzip*
>>894145Looks like its painted plastic, if that's what you were going for.
I started figuring out how to make the strings, I have a decent looking procedural material in another file but I'm lazy and still have to do the wraps around the machine heads.It's REALLY coming together, but after the modelling is done, I'll still thinker with materials. Can't wait!
>>894079Keep doing god's work OP.
Please help anons I don't know how to rig my character's eyeballs.The shape and size make it so a normal eyeball won't suffice thus requiring his eyes to be sort of unique shape. I tried shrinkwrap but thay gave awkward results. I tried using lattice and it was impressive from the front but trying to rotate the eye around led to weird undesired effefts and deformations on the iris.
>>894260Why don't you rig the eye texture instead?
A project I finished about a month ago.
>>894241Board tourist here, damn man, your skills are on point if that's a fucking 3D guitar.Neat stuff dude.
>>894263I wanted the eyes to have some depth but at this point I might have to
>>894263I also wanted the eyes to be able to change shapes
I didn't want to ask here because I know this isn't the thread for it, but do any of you know why this is happening in Marvelous Designer? He's looking like Sylvester Stallone and Luke Wilson's lovechild.I tried something I thought might fix it and it just twisted the whole fucking face 90 degrees. I'm also not sure why the eyelids completely detach from the rest of the face neither.Someone pls halp.
>>894369Looks normal to me. You sure you're not having a stroke?
>>894234Kinda, I'm more or less experimenting with shader at this point, especially in regard to the fur itself.
>>894370Friend please this a serious issue.
>>894369You're just using MD for the clothes, right?Does it really matter what the face looks like if the clothes properly match?If I had to guess though, it might be some weird issue with shapekeys (or whatever they're called in other software, blendshapes?), and the combination of whatever you exported your model as.
I'm making the texture of my character now. Hope everyone like it
>>894375>You're just using MD for the clothes, right?Sort of, the face will be visible though which is why it's an issue, otherwise I wouldn't be bothered. I might be able to get away with covering it up somehow, but I don't want to run into this problem in the future when there'll be no way to do that.>it might be some weird issue with shapekeys (or whatever they're called in other software, blendshapes?)They're still called shapekeys in blender as far as I know. I didn't make the model so I'm not sure what went into it. All I know is that whoever made it made it 180m tall for a reason I still can't get my head around. Having said that, the one in the pic only got fucked up when I resized it. When it was still ridiculously gigantic and I crammed it into MD the face was fine, albeit still too big to use.Fuck it, I'm too tired. If the problem comes up where I can''t hide it I'll see if I can fix it then.
>>894233you do realize that's a gay as fuck demon rat boy, right?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYaHGDJGgGI
>>894376Please tell me how to clothing. Did you use Marvelous or went another way?
>>894132Is this version better?
>>894372This fur looks much nicer here, those little darkened areas in the crevices in the fur. Have you baked an AO map? You could overlay that on your texture to push it even more.
>>894078I think I like this artstyle
My computer shit the bed last month and it took me a couple of weeks to get a new one. Feel like I've forgotten half the stuff I've learned over the past few months in that time span. I think I'm starting to get back to where I was previously, but overall I'm pretty disappointed with my skill progression.
Yeah, I'm going to stop working on this Yotsuba, I don't think I can fix her.
Finally got some time to work on the eyes, my first chance to get a couple hours of art work since Sunday. They're more spherical than I wanted. I kind of wanted more flattened fronts, like actual fish eyes, but I decided to be lazy because I didn't want to have to deal with that annoying deformation on the eyelids. I have a feeling that I could work it out with geometry nodes or something, but my procedural chops are way below the point where I could figure that out. I'll get there eventually, but for now, I just want to work through this one.
You know it's funny, ever since getting a job in 3D I spend no free time thinking about it, or vising this board despite being on here daily when I was at uni or looking for a job. I don't have any grand observations of it, just sharing my stream of consciousness.
>>894470Same happened for me with programming. I was all about programming on my free time and everything. Now that I do it for a living, I still enjoy it, but 8 hours a day every 5 days a week is enough.
>>894427What do you want to achieve? Show us references andwires.>Skill progressionDon't worry dude it's not a race. I've been doing cg for 16 years now and believe me I can't rig for shit or do organic modelling. Well that is because I'm into the archviz business but one does not neet to be an expert in every thing. Enjoy relearning some things. Time away from a computer should be cherished these days....
>>894078Another WIP, still needs some remeshing and polishing
>>894382Started working on lipsync shape keys and pumped out this render in the middle of it.
started this today. no subdivisions yet. Can't show my friends cause i already have several projects they know i haven't finished and they'll yell at me.
>>894517Gay ass rat. What does he look like with a subdivision?
>>894409Already did, but it's not by much.
I regret trying to make this model, i just can't get it to look right. everything is still W.I.P. and some things still haven't been textured but man these bigger objects just are hard for me. also the water is a WIP too i thought i had something for rough ocean but it's too rough and just messy. Probly gunna redo it entirely.Big regret so far.
Wanted to try the 256fes challenge, she's exactly 256 tri's, still need to do quite a bit for the dress. I might have to rearrange my UVs again :'(
4th day into blender after making a dumb frog and a well with youtube videos.I really wanna get into making digimon since they seem to be fairly simple in the beginning. Koromon for example. I thought the jellyfish from spongebob would be cute and fun but I have no idea how to get the deeper pink spots on the surface of the mesh without it fucking up the roundness so I just stuffed what I could inside thinking if it was transparent it would show up nicely but it didn't work out so well. I wanted things to glow/be their own light but that didn't pain out too well either. I wanted to do more with the rocks as well since the rocks in spongebob since they have multiple colors in them but I just threw in the towel. I'll probably be doing more tutorials before trying to make something on my own again.
>>894595Just use a texture my guy
If it wasn't for the shrink wrap modifier i would of killed myself...
>>894581you know what that little character needs? He needs a dark nose with some appropriate accompanying texture on it and maybe even a little wetness.Also, there are different overlay modes that you can use with your AO map (multiply, darken, subtract, etc that can give you different effects if you wanna play with it.)
>>894600Why bevel the joints?
>>894611https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Jksu5Z8AAsuperior deformation?Idk man I'm still noob I'm just googling this shit and following what looks good to me.
>>894513holy smokes Batman!>>894590I've never modeled anything this big. I can Imagine that it's quite a job. It doesn't look half bad tho. You did some decent work. >>894524Very good. I'd have to say perfect likeness.>>894594Awesome. Nice paint job.
My first ever vehicle I made. Critique the good and bad
>>894601Last time I checked, hares don't have nose like that:
>>894590don't feel too bad about it, even it if doesn't come out how you envisioned it in your head you still learned something in the process.
>>894594This is exactly my taste! Awesome work
>>894504I think you're right about the bigger eyes being better (but I won't go to that degree, because I still need room for the eye shadow), but the mouth needs to stay large so I can make it open monstrously and deform the rest of the face.I'm mostly going based on this concept: https://www.deviantart.com/saturnspace/art/Tarjan-Undyne-570453878
>>894624Good point. But antelopes do right? And he's a Jackalope, so maybe he should have a nose like THIS!
>>894656He's actually half sheep
>>894667it's okay, they're related.
>>894668Plus I think his fur/nose started to stand out now.
>>894612>superior deformation?Deformation on what? Unless you doing low poly subdiv animation with no blend shapes then whats the point?Do normal loops, no dumb ass bevels or other dumb shit, its 2020 +2, we are using blend shapes or extra bones for volume corrections, not retarded topology.That video seems like it was made in 1998.
>>894670jesus christ bro where did the time go? blend shapes? extra bones? I'm never going to make that game am I?
>>894669yeah, that fur is really starting to pop. much better.
>>894674Its nothing new, you got people whose only job is sculpting blend shapes all day every day, even in vidya.No matter how magical complex and dense your topology is you will never make a topoflow that will work on 50+ expressions on a face for instance.Also due to the fact skinning works to the bones you will always lose volume, there is no way around it.The simpler the topo flow the better, and should only define the main body forms.
>>894676for sure? the simpler the better? aren't blend shapes expensive, processing wise?
>>894676>>894670Great tips if you want to work as an office monkey for some ungrateful megacorp.The workflow you described is literally impossible for a single person working on their own indie project.
>>894675That's the retro shader, it's less pronounced in the Principle shader for some reason/
>>894677They are pretty cheap, its just one more vertex position set per blend shape, no different from having extra UV maps, since UV maps are the exact same, same vertex order but different vertex position.Games like God Of War or new Spiderman have couple dozen for the characters, and like 5 extra normal maps for blending detail, this is hulk from marvels avenger, 6 normal map variations for blending for head, 4 for body, multiple blend shapes and a really clean topo before triangulation.Movies arent much different thanos had clean topo but base was 1mln poly.
>>894679>Great tips if you want to work as an office monkey for some ungrateful megacorp.>The workflow you described is literally impossible for a single person working on their own indie project.Nobody tells you to make 100 blend shapes.You make simple model, rig and skin it, then pose legs, arms and elbows into bend shape, add a blend shape and just eyeball correct forms in 5 minutes.Animation takes super long be it for amaterurs or pros, you wont be making movies with proper facial animation by yourself anyway, no reason to worry with topo at all. Just go with the faster solution and make it fancier at the end if you have time left over.
I'm improving each day
made this quick dirty model of a character i came up with
>>894691Looks really good frenWhat do you think of my recent sculpt?
>>894702That lighting is pog, nice textures too
>>894676>Its nothing new, you got people whose only job is sculpting blend shapes all day every day, even in vidya.use Ziva Face Trainer instead at 4k 60 in any game engine or offline.https://zivadynamics.com/zrt-face-trainer
This is my first sculpt. How can I improve the hair ?
Just got done with the bolts
>>894681Gave it new horns<Retro
>>894595I moved on for the sake of something harder but not 'personal preference. I'm trying to get use to curves and plan to array spines and whatever trick you do sprinkles (I forgot the name of it) with donuts. I know you can orient the scales a certain way and also determine where they show up with weight mapping. Am I making this overly complicated or how else would you go about making this absolute pantie wish granting bro?
>>894781Why is the belly curving inwards?
>>894782I have the curve on half at the moment of screenshotting. I thought it gave a better idea of how the back would go if I could figure it out. I've tried color ramping too but not sure how I can get it to follow my bezier curve with nodes. I'm total blendlet
check out my car
>>894812how did you make the window transparent?
>>894781Getting arrays down has been good practice for this shit head. Wish I could get the bellypads to squish more but this is all still just theory and practice. Now I gotta try blocking out his head and I have no idea how Im gonna do that.
>>894921Keep up the good work, it's already looking cool
I think I'm gunna call it done i don't know how much more detail i wanted but i cant really imagine what else i can do to improve it (even though i know it can be improved.)
>>894594I'm trying the same thing (256fes), how do you go about your texturing workflow? Draw/paint high res then downscale and fix via nitpicking?It's a nightmare for me to get things to look decent if I try to start out pushing pixels
>>894970>>894594Looks great by the way. I'd consider going unlit and baking the lighting into the textures but honestly it looks fine even with the flat shading
>>894600Brother, that looks like a painful way to retopo...major shapes, loops, then blockout from big to small. Just looked up a hand wireframe and copy, no need to reinvent the wheel.
>>894921>Wish I could get the bellypads to squish moreTry using curve weights or the radius (it's one of those things) to shrink/expand the belly along the curve. You might have to use a separate curve to do that though so you don't fuck with the width of everything else.
>>895004way too glossy
>>895004not glossy enough
>>894739The results look pretty mediocre to be honest, it dosnt take into account volume movement instead applies deformation from a base mesh.Ok if you are making a human or a deformed human face without any unique facial traits, but the moment you do something else you are fucked.
>>895004It's glossy enough
>>895004glossiness looks like it's a bit too perfect imho
>>895004Is it even supposed to be glossy?
>>894594That's absolutely great work
>>894120retopo is one of the most zen parts of 3d modeling once you get the hang of it, i love doing it.
>>895004No glossy shader..
>>895029could use about 7% more gloss
>>894970Thanks! I put down the general big shapes directly through texture paint, no downscaling or anything, and then refining a little bit from the texture map afterwards. I've mostly been using texture paint directly though>>894614>>894643>>895020Thank you!
>>895049Also decided to go forth and make a small scene for her to be in, the scene is exactly 256 tris, including the cat, I'm gonna try to fit it all onto a 256x256 texture, would be cool
>>895040A bit late for that: >>894779
>>895050Make sure you limit the colors to 256 as well.
I'm making an 18th century dress for a vroid character. Right now the poly count is sky high but I want to try to bake as much as possible.
>>895049how does it look with smooth normals, and with an unlit shader?
Why the fuck is it so hard to make a transparent glass window in blender
>>895190The fuck are you talking about?
>>895021Actually, after some more retopo this week, I get what you mean. It's almost a bit like the MMO grind, but I hate playing mmos now so this is better.
This is my first ever attempt of modeling something other than a shitcoin.My question is does it look like the person it is trying to represent?How do I transfer weight painting data to the skirt? I simulated it rather than blocking it out.
>>894463you cant fix whats not broken, that is 10/10 shitposting ready.
"How 'bout I remodel that face of yours faggot."
>>895227>who's steve jobs?
Just finished the webxr template. Added andorid and ios functionality.https://3chan.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/iframe_abbey.html
The first model is for catalog renderings and the second for webxr.
>>895200Looks very nice anon... good job. Better use bones for the skirt. I don't know how but here is a video i did a quick google about.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-GSNYkG69A
>>895251Thanks a bunch.I swear the most useful things in blender are hidden away where nobody can find them.
>>894078i fuckin hate bridge looping so much, wish there was a better way to attach 2 different objects
>>894424i dig it
>>895190Best you mix it with a Glass shader.
>>895200looks like my wife alright but how did you make the clothes?
>>894921>>894922>>894995Thank you and I'll try that next. A lot of this is just using tools how I would think they should be used. Arrays and what not. Was told in another thread I should sculpt his head instead of modeling which I have no idea what are good practices so I've been really annoyed with getting Shenrons eyebrow ridges right so he looks angry. Still have to work on his spines, scales, belly, background, trees, clouds, his horns, give him more mouth detail and fix his teeth alignment and sizing on a few to break up the pattern. Regardless. Im happy I went from making a little blender frog to making Shenron within a week. Wish you guys the best too.
>>895283The skirt was stimulated. The top was made by copying the torso, smoothing out the boobs, so it wouldn't look skin tight and the rest was done by extruding and pushing certs like a caveman
Can I get some pointers on my flipflops. Trying to keep them as low poly as possible without looking blocky.
>>895049How did you cope with blender's inability to paint a single pixel?
How's this for having no anatomy and using mouse in Blender? I'm just working from reference. I know the side profile is scuffed though.
>>895300 If they are not going to deform make the sole a single poly not everything has to be quads.Also you can try and reduce the 3 loops on the strap to 2 and not loos much detail.
>>895313>I'm just working from reference.Oh ok we thought you had memorized the human form as some faggots in /3/ claim to have done.No comments on the rest, yes it needs improvement but if I know it you know it too.
>>895163Multires and accessories are done, now time to UV, simplify, texture, bake.Didn't make body.
>>895316>memorized the human form as some faggots in /3/ claim to have done.You say that like it's some insurmountable task lmao.
>>895324Did you use arrays for the ribbons and the multiple repeating little details?
>>895330Yes. I'll probably apply the modifier at the end and tweak them by hand so they don't look so unnaturally regular.Also the vertebra looking things are supposed to be lace ruffles, I'm hoping it looks fine when baked into a place or box.
>>895282>>895192Glass bsdf gives it the reflective property I want but leaves it opaque under that. Combining with a transparency shader and a mix shader does nothing. Every tutorial I can Google shows me ways to combine it with an image texture or whatever, but none of them allow me to make a glass panel that is both see- through and reflective.
>>895380Are you using Eevee or Cycles?
>>895381Cycles primarily, though I tried eevie and saw no improvement
>>895381>>895382Also I want to take it into Blender ultimately so I don't think viewport stuff matters all that much, unless I'm mistaken about how exporting the model works
>>895384>>895382Do you have an image of your issue?
>>895385Not at pc at the moment but I'll get one in a bit when I'm there. Thanks for taking interest in this though
Help me improve
>>895399>Help me improveStop masturbating, quit tobacco, alcohol and anything that fucks with your mind. Stop watching porn, call your parents, keep in touch with your friends, do physical activity, search for a moral compass, avoid social media, read more books but most important of all don't use blender.
>>895386>>895385Impromptu dinner plans slowed this way down - There's a bright yellow plane just behind the glass for proof that it's opaque. At this point I've torn up everything and just plugged a Glass BSDF into the output.
Still working on this model. I want to make the cell shading pop but I can't find any good guides on shaders to make it crisp.
>>895413You probably don't want the shading on the skin to be the same shade as her top.
>>895414Right. I made a mistake with the color pallet.I also figured out how to get an outline around the model.I new to this...
>>895433The outline is a definite improvement
>>895433Which method did you use to make the outline?
>>895438Solidify modifier with the normals flipped options ticked.I then in the materials option on the modifier I used a material that matched the color of the outline I wanted.
>>895412Not who you're talking to, but transparency works differently in Eevee and Cycles. I always fuck it up in Eevee because I forget which additional options you need to turn on. In Cycles I use the old Andrew method because it seems to work pretty well.Just fuck around with your roughness and IOR until you get what you're looking for.There's probably a better way to do it, but it works for me so I use it.
>>895448Worked like a charm. Fucking with the settings will take a year but this is exactly what I was looking for, thanks a ton.
>>894078started leaning marvelous designer, this is pretty fun but i really hope it isn't much of a hassle to export it back to blender and learning a whole new software so i can get a t-shirt flying in the wind >>895433love it anon, looks like my crab waife alright but how did you manage the hair and face? i tried sculpting but i really don't like doing a extra step of repto so i rather directly learn polymodelling
>>895459are you trying out cellshading?
>>895465The hair was made with a bunch of nurbs paths into roughly the shape of her hair. The face was done through polymodeling. I can't think of any other way to do it. I feel like sculpting would yield inaccurate results. That being said, I feel the results of this one look a bit flat and lifeless. I'll just make a bunch more until I'm satisfied.
>>895468got any tutorial recommendations and tips? i find polymodeling faces 10x harder than the body because of the lineflow and the need to use of the knife tool
>>895466All I'm trying to do is make a funny little TV head guy to use as a VRChat model, honestly. Never done any modeling before this.Have a bonus shot of the back.
without giving her a body, how can I make her sexier
>>895527How about we put a smile on that face?
>>895528unfortunately I have a irl fetish for girls that dont want me, think im pathetic and below them
>>895279>>895284This kind of shit is exactly why sculpt and retopo is a nicer workflow. You can just join and remesh, or boolean modifier it on.When box modeling, it can be a real pain in the ass. What does your wireframe look like after that bridge?
Not a wip anymore, but did a full workflow from high poly to retopo then texturing. Broke down and got substance painter as well, pretty nice.
>>895599that head is sooo bad and those hands are soooooooooo bad. No hips, looks like a crossdresser
>>895527>>895399Can you do the hair seperate. She has no neck muscles. Head on a stick syndrome. Might be time to do a retopo.
>>895527thinner lips, smaller nose, less defined jaw
>>895527Small glasses. Now that's a GMILF.
>>895534first time modelling a hand but wont be mastering poly modelling better in the long run? sculpting then retopo will be slower method in the end yeah?
>>895634Sculpt it. Im so in love with mudbox and i love dinosaurs.
>>895637isnt retop annoying?
>>895638No. Just retopologize in mudbox with guide lines (its an auto machine), then do some hecky areas manually with quad draw in maya. Its easy
What should I do to make it more interesting before I just go ham on it in post?
>>895645Render the water with some actual gloss so they look less like scaled down mountains. Working a bit on the foam would help as well but the glossiness is the quickest and easiest fix.
>>895645scale is extremely off, the yotsuba boxman gives off the look of being gigantic due to the look of the ocean. either tweak the ocean to look smaller or make box man
>>895645I think the depth of field is messing up the scale.Looks better than my ocean though, started on a new base mesh for a Tupandactylus model and want to have it fly over an ocean too
>>895634>wont be mastering poly modelling better in the long run?Yes and no. They're different skills with different benefits and drawbacks. Mastering both is advisable. To make a good hand, you need to learn the proportions and basic anatomy of hands. Your proportions look quite decent, like they were traced from a reference, but they're unnaturally flat, where a resting hand looks more like this. Your topology also isn't built for deformation.> sculpting then retopo will be slower method in the end yeah?Faster, usually. Some people get by fine without sculpting at all, but getting the total shape and topology right the first time takes some real mastery. Usually for a beginner, you end up with fucked up shapes and topology as you try to revise as you go.Sculpt+retopo helps by breaking it up into multiple steps. You can get the shape just how you want it with sculpting, and then get the topology down during retopo. The workflow lets you ignore topology, points, vertices, and everything else while you focus on just getting the shape right, and then handle topology as a separate step in the workflow.It feels slower, and topology is a pain in the ass, but it saves you time "debugging" your mesh afterward. And there are other topo tools. Retopology isn't about dropping vertices, but about setting up loops and edge flow for deformation and to reinforce the underlying form. If you can speed up retopo without sacrificing quality, do it. Personally, I'm fine putting on some music and pounding through retopo manually in Blender. I find it relaxing.There is never a good reason to avoid learning something new, or to avoid adding a new tool to your toolbox. You should learn everything that might be useful. That's for the long run, though. I think you should finish your current project the way you're doing it before moving on to learning sculpting. You have more to gain from focusing on this current project the way you have started it.
>>895696thanks for the advice anon, gonna dive into sculpting and the retopo workflow on my next project, i find poly modelling faces pretty hard
>>895634>>895696Sculpt+retopo also lets you cheat adding detail by baking from high poly to low poly, that's something to consider as well. But then you can also sculpt a subdivided version of your poly modelling.In the end retopology and poly modelling are basically the same thing if you have enough experience.
>>895705>In the end retopology and poly modelling are basically the same thing if you have enough experience.They accomplish the same goals, but in the reverse order and with different up-front focus (volume and shape vs construction and flow). In any case, they are both valid approaches, and often times there is a good reason to choose one over the other for the situation at hand (poly modelling is often better when the ideal topology is very obvious and clear, or when there's a very clear form and topology is unimportant), so it's best to learn both.Often, I'll use a hybrid approach, and poly model a simplified representation, then remesh and sculpt, then retopo for a better topology anyway. It allows a similar workflow to a 2D art workflow of gesture drawing -> construction -> refinement, and hits a good balance for me. I'm far from a professional in any case.
>>895721this is amazing, my current wip that i am kind of stuck on is a thicc braixen
>>895726anyone have any suggestions for how to finish/improve this?
>>895731Wow muy bien trabajo aqui
>>895448>I always fuck it up in Eevee because I forget which additional options you need to turn on.https://blender.stackexchange.com/questions/81851/does-transparency-work-in-eevee
>>895732Gracias por el cumplido esa!
>>895728Some sort of belly would really help balance the model out
>>894260>>894263>>894320>>894321using a shader is the best way. don't forget you can attach up parts of the shaders to drivers if you want to change up the shape or whatever.
>>894621>>894622i like the shape but granted it's clearly inspired from the halo mongoosei also like the wiring details you've put inbut generally, texture resolution / detail is way too low, alot of the textures are just generic substance painter shit. put more thought into actually painting shit on. also the shape of the vehicle isn't very defined, and the way it's constructed doesn't make a lot of sense. think about how it would be constructed in terms of panels rather than 2 big moulded pieces. also the area for the handle bars to rotate on seems a bit off and doesn't make much sense. there also isn't a good place for the user to sit on. tires need a lot of work
>>894674>his main focus is game devmake a few small game mods first. you'll learn the mistakes of 3D and design without risking it on a big project
>>895799why do people still recommend this? The documentation is more sparse than Unity and the tools aren't useful. It is more difficult to make a unique game with it than free engines and modders will trash it if you're new.if you want to make stuff with optimization in mind just check out model rips
>>895807mod a game with actual documentation like the source engine or creation engine. noone's expecting you to pull some shit out your ass from scratch
>>895721nice work bruv, but what's up with the face circles?
>>895816Looks like they're meant to be freckles, friendo.
>>895705regarding muscle and chest details, since most of the models are going to exported to marvelous designer and clothed, does it matter?
>>895599You have the technical know-how but you lack fundamentals in art. Time to practice your anatomy skills anon.....
Just Finished this, Thoughts?
>>895842You misspelled backrooms. Also reddit meme.Aside from that it looks good.
>>895728>any suggestionskys furfag
>>895843yeah it's reddit tier but I just really like the aesthetic. Thanks for the upboat
>>895842Good. Time to upload a youtube video with VHS distortion and make a few bucks on a backrooms video.
>>895842it feels like I'm looking at an old era video game, like Doom or Duke Nukem
>>895734Thanks N-word I've bookmarked that.
>>895200I can definitely recognise it's Senjougahara. Nice job on the shaders.
Found this useful infographic about using orthographic vs camera vs 3d viewport.Just thought Id share it here.
>>895645did you make the water in quixel?
Speed modeled and textured this in about 2 1/2 hours is it passable?
>>895645Okay, redid materials and reduced the size of the ocean. Still not sure how to fix the scale issue.
>>895894It's a star wars!
>>895896what tool are you using?
>>895888What exactly is this telling me
>>895894jeez 2 1/2 hours? surely you had some pre-made stuff in there like materials/greebles
learning hard surface as a complete beginner
>>895888Ortho viewport doesn't do reflections on flat surfaces either (because ortho rays are all parallel). It just reflects a single pixel.It's not a perfect solution, but if you throw a noise texture in as a bump map, and turn the scale up really high so the noise is imperceptibly fine, it can somewhat fix it. Just gotta fuck around with the strength value.Found that shit out last night.
>>895853I don't believe you've played either of those if you think that's what they look like.
>>895959I have not, but there's something about the texture grain and perspective, and height of the corridor to width ratio.
>>895527had another go round with her. Now I feel like long fake eyelashes will go a long way towards making her look hella hot. I'm going to see if I can do this within zb
new scene moar rocks
>>895992cute pebble :3
This will be fine for something in the background right /wip/ bros? The texture could be better but it'll be so far back that it doesn't need to be perfect, neither the textures nor model.It's supposed to be a submarine btw.
Making some progress on my retopology.
>>896046where's the cock?
>>895894nice for two hours
>>895896the scale still looks off to me, might be because of the dof
just started a fresh Instagram account for art shit, how can I gain an audience ? is it just hashtags? is making a twitter account better?
>>895433Decided to give up on this one and try another project this weekend. This is from an obscure anime from 10 years ago that nobody watched. I wanted to try using square UV maps to give skin details instead of painting them on this time. Also, doe anyone have any advice on how to paint clothing without destroying geometry? I feel like I have to cut the faces into the clothes in order to get an appropriate UV map, but that destroys the quad topology.Once I get the basics down, I'd like to put my name to something, but I've got a long way to go.
>>895925doing a great job
>>896080For clothes make them highpoly and project them onto a body mesh. You can have any topology you want then.
>>895925Looks cool. You're learning HardOPS/BoxCutter too or did you do this the vanilla way? I'm following the blenderbros course, it's great so far. I'm still struggling with some operations and their meaning but these addons are so powerful.
>>896000Based. Thanks for that confirmation.
i rate myself trash/10
>>896069The feet seem off but the rest is very nice.
>>896105No problem, bro.
took me 4 days to get him to this statesculpted the high res in mudboxmanually retopologized in mayasewed UV linescreated textures in mayait was my first time after following tutorials on how to do each part, better than expected
>>896121>created textures in mayawhy would u do this to yourself.
>>896122in substance i mean, typo
>>896123carry on then, bud
Two weeks progress
>>896124this introduced me to the fact on how long it takes to make game ready assets, holy shit its tasking as a character artist. retopology with quad draw tool took me the longest, i had to restart 3 times over because i got the face wrong, then i learned the loops by memorynow put in rigging and weightpainting then making animations
>>896121good job, dude. You working on a game?
>>896127im a gamedev but it's not for my game, it was just part of learning the workflow. 6 hours ago i did not know how to use any of the maya tools at all, but now i know how to properly design a game ready character.
>>896117What's this render thing called? i always see it.
>>896130any particular part of it?
>>896131Color palette and material balls
>>896125You should learn to take screenshots.
>>896121And that's how his technical side looks like. The white lines are UV, blue is topology. Not sure how it looks like since I just blindly followed the UV structure of that zombie timelapse video by autodesk
>>896136>The white lines are UV, blue is topology.lolyou're on a 3d board
>>896137Neat. Reminds me of one of the Slipknot members if they had been some kind of rebel king instead of a musician.
>>895999Checked.>Green ScreenAnon you are adorable I fucking love you. Remember that only semi-subs had camo for when they surfaced in ww2 and the camo has usually striped so they could hide their size and break visually with the waves.If it's rust oh god poor sub. Watch some docked subs and you'll see that it's the bottom half that gets corroded cuz they last long periods with the upper half exposed.
>>896132here's what i'm using. white ball: 0.85 diffuse / 100% roughgrey ball: 0.18 diffuse / 100% roughblack ball: 0.04 diffuse / 100% roughchrome ball: 0.6 diffuse / 0.2% rough / 100% metalthe palette is called a macbeth chart. diffuse only, spec disabled.you can pick up a texture for it in your colour space here:https://github.com/colour-science/colour-nuke/tree/master/colour_nuke/resources/images/ColorChecker2014desaturated my main hdri for good measure
>>896149What reason are they used for?
>>896132macbeth chart and grey/chrome ballshonestly, I have absolutely no fucking idea why people add them in renders (not trying to shit on this anon btw >>896117)they are supposed to be standardized colors and true neutral grey and true chrome so that you can match the physical lighting conditions 1:1 in the digital world and the 3d elements will match the plate.if you aren't comping your 3d elements over real footage and/or you don't have the real, physical macbeth and balls references, they are pointless, literally no reason to ever include them other than "cool factor".
>>896117good model, but consider overlaying some roughness maps on top for variety
>>894078I see now the neck is too long, what else? I'm very new to blender. Please ignore the background (and foreground)
>>896159Nice i like it
>>896162Thank you, but I've heard it's shit. Any quick fix for someone with very limited blender experience?
>>896153>>896155i mostly use it as a neutral shading environment (hence the desaturated hdris). the black and white balls also remind me of where my extremes really are - it's mostly there to stop me from doing dumb shit and crunching my maps up too much.then i'll just flick through a bunch of hdri options i have in there to see it under various lighting conditions. >>896156there are a couple of imperfection maps, but it's relatively subtle. it'll definitely show on close ups.i don't actually want the bag to look dirty. it's for lolsorandom mograph stuff. the "modelling" is just the result of a sim, which also makes the model ready to sim further, which is why there's a weird band at the top and not a knot.
>>896159I sincerely think it's nice. Maybe this could help to have the proportions ok?https://www.turbosquid.com/es/3d-models/3d-runescape-character-1672341
>>896165yeah that looks good
>>896168Thanks, that is very useful. I definitely need to redo the neck and jaw part
>>896169thanks. it's my first time using vray houdini for anything as well and it's not bad so far. i like its look and pretty fast as well. parts of it feel weird and unfinished though.
>>896173Pretty nice exercise anon keep it up.>>896168Glad to help. Remember the internet all knowledge is a search away.
>>896144The green screen isn't being used for anything, it was just to better show the parts with no texture on. But thanks anon I love you too :3>If it's rust oh god poor subIt is rust but it's an underwater scene which is why I put it all over rather than just the bottom half (which I wouldn't have thought about unless you had mentioned it desu, so thanks for that shout).I'm planning on putting a couple of holes in it and having it lying on sea floor/ocean bed and having some cute fishes or something coming out of it. Although I'll probably do that and you won't be able to see them anyway because it'll be in the background. Even still, it's never wasted time because at least I'll still be learning something I haven't done before.
>>896183>t is rust but it's an underwater scene which is why I put it all over rather than just the bottom halfOh ok anon nice. Look for the finding nemo scene. That shader is old but fucking brilliant. Rust underwater always gets barnacles all over and whitening due to sulfatation.>Search for sulfatation
>>896190Yep sorry imma nigga form a 3rd world country so no good english.
Almost there. Calling it a day.
>>896103all vanilla from the tutorial for now, and yes organizing modifiers is getting tedious, I see the appeal of addons. Once i finish the course I'll decide if I want to use hardops or not
>>896219Link me the tutorial, I'm interested.
>>896103I really wanted to get into the Blender Bros style of doing things, but I am not really a fan of the cleanup after booleaning. It makes me feel like I am doing low level janitorial work instead of art. It is like programming in C, when I should be doing it in a functional language.Luckily there are alternatives like HS sculpting in Zbrush which might be good for design, but who is going to retopo that afterwards?. Zbrush favors such dense meshes, and doesn't even have ngons and smooth shading shading for that matter, so you don't really have to worry about cutting into curved surfaces with it.One thing I was really surprised when I tried cutting a box into a sphere in Moi 3d and exporting it into Blender is that the resulting object had perfect shading. The striped matcap showed nothing wrong at all. I'll probably go with that style in the end.This experience made me realized that when it comes to topology there are two aspects to it.* Whether the mesh shades smoothly..* Whether the mesh subdivides smoothly.The two aren't the same thing. If you don't intend to deform the asset, you don't need the later.
>>894482coolreminds me of Myst
>>896221https://www.blenderbros.com/offers/zvoHFBps/checkout?coupon_code=HSJUMPSTARThe starts going very fast near the middle of the course, so be aware youll have to pause a lot if taking notes
>>896186>>896190>>896191>Rust underwater always gets barnacles all over and whitening due to sulfatation.I didn't think about the whitening, but I was planning to put some kind of flora on it to maximize that aged look. I'm going to see how it looks in the scene first though because it might not be noticeable enough to warrant inclusion.I'm going to take a look at that Finding Nemo scene too.Thanks.
>>896281Looking forward the results! Nice project!
>>895920nope literally from scratch all materials in substance were made from scratch, i don't really save materials I always start with a default layer and build from that.Honestly if you look at it you can tell how lazy i was being when i modeled it, and textured it i still feel like my texture/model quality skills are lacking i can never get things to look just right or look full if that makes sense. but i sat there and i just cant think of what else i can do to make it look any better, i find i have this isue on almost everything i make. I tried to make a stealth-y texture version but same issue it just doesn't feel complete.
>>896254> cleanup after booleaningYeah I'm starting to get comfortable with the addons but I fucking hate the cleanup part too. I'm trying to figure out and to print in my head the process of making the low poly/clean mesh first and then add all the details that are going to be baked later so I can care less about how I fuck up the topo (I'm modeling for games). But it stops you from making any design changes later.I'm still testing different solutions too but Blender + addons is currently the best one I tried.> Luckily there are alternatives like HS sculpting in ZbrushI don't know. I use Zbrush but never tried Zmodeler yet.
more progress, can't do much since work is fucking insane right now. Just learned what n-gons are and that they're the devil and must be avoided at all costs.
>>896302>I don't know. I use Zbrush but never tried Zmodeler yet.No, HS sculpting is not actually about using Zmodeler. In Zbrush, Zmodeler is a brush that has a ton of different subtools for box modeling, kind of like Blender's.But the way you'd actually approach the problem from a sculpting perspective is by instead using projective cuts with clip and knife brushes, as well as making judicious use of masks. In terms of workflow, this is quite different from char modeling for example where you'd use regular brushes. Booleans as well, but they don't give you trouble in Zbrush because of what I said in my previous post.Unlike with Blender, there isn't that much on Youtube on the subject of HS sculpting, so I'd recommend getting a course or two off Persia if you are interested in checking it out.I think that when it comes to hard surface, working in Zbrush has a lot of similarity with Moi which is a NURBs program. The later does not have strong deformation ability like Zbrush does with its bevy of tools, but where the two styles overlap, they overlap quite strongly.If you are interested in Moi, it has the benefit of being by far the simplest of all the art programs that I've tried so you could cover it in half a week in its entirety. Another benefit of Moi is that it has the ability to import subdiv models as NURBs which worked impressively well the one time I've tested it on a monitor model. Arrimus has a good playlist on Moi.(1/3)
>>896324I know that I am being a shill here, but that is because I am battling it out in my head myself. The project I am working on is not that hard and I could have been done with it a while ago in Blender if I just sat down and ground it out, instead I've spent it learning new things instead and trying to optimize my workflow. I am trying to find a sweet spot with using 3d for illustrations, and I am obsessed with trying to find a way of doing it with least effort. Since I won't do animation, I don't need the model to be subdivisible, but I do want to get good shading with it.In Blender boolean cutting into a curved surface, then selecting the perimeter loop around the boolean, then using MESHmachine to do an offset cut and cleaning up afterwards is meh. I know that I could have gotten good shading results if I had put in proper effort to make the mesh quads manually, but those are just excuses and the overall style has a ton of fotguns.https://youtu.be/qB1eg3ef5vsTake this for example. All these fixes feel like hacks. Yes, you can do proper memory management even in C, but do you want to? You'll note that because of these issues, when people use booleans in Blender they'll try to avoid doing it on curved surfaces, and indeed most of the tutorials that I've seen practice that avoidance because otherwise they'd spend all their time doing clean up.
>>896327For my own purposes, I don't have enough evidence to rule out using high poly Zbrush models as non-viable yet. Also I haven't stress tested Moi enough to make sure how good its export really is. A backup NURBs export plan is to use Rhino's NURBs compatible quad remesher which gave me really good results on that bottle model. I've been trying to make Zremesher work, but like the Exoside quad remesher it does not preserve edge flow properly and ends up destroying edge work while Rhino (Moi's big bro) was good at preserving it when I gave it a try.I'll do a serious stress test of modeling all the stuff in my room in Moi and doing an informal bechmark of how good its exported models are in terms of shading, as well ones converted using Rhino's quad remesher. Hopefully I'll be able to post the results on /3/ by the end of the month.(3/3)
>>896069The feathers just clip straight through the ends of the wings, but otherwise I like it.
>>894078Anyone has that MS painting of a guy saying>I will prevail because my stubbornness is greater.So something like that while 3D modeling ? Can you post it ?
>>896301you dont give yourself enough credit
Working on this at the moment and am trying to make everything from scratch. Still need ideas on what I will do for the outside but I like the idea of a very alien landscape.
>>896345Topology anon here. Just tell me if you need any aid on that.Also alien landscape i suggest you search for Socotra.
Oh shit oh no.
>>896301Can I see the wireframe with and without the smoothing?
>>896324>>896327>>896328My bad I knew what hard surface implied in Zbrush but I was focused on Zmodeler (since I have to learn it and postponed it for so long that it annoys me). Thanks for the insight on Moi 3D. Ngl, I also too much time on testing several softwares and addons to add another one to the list but I've seen it mentioned a lot of time (in Arrimus channel like you said).But to be completely honest with you, if shading is important to you and that you also want to model complex shapes, then you are bound to clean your mesh topology or use subd modeling. There are (I guess) some softwares like Moi that makes the creation of these shapes much more smooth and faster but if you are planning on importing/exporting these into different softwares, having a clean topo will make you gain a tremendous amount of time and save you from some headaches. My word isn't to take too seriously cause I'm a beginner too.
>>896395just the tip
>>894078Doing some testing for skin shading. Some places like the nails are a bit wonky but I like the overall lighting
>>896510seems like too much sss to me
>>896521True, it's not at physically correct skin values right now, cranked it for emphasis
>>896529I figured as much. Most people seem to make the same mistake.The thing is, in real life the hand is comprised of more than a solid mass of skin so increasing the sss on a real hand would reveal veins and bones and the scattering profile would be entirely different.Keep that in mind.
>>894376So did ya finish?>>895601>>895827Aite bros, but damn I didn't think she looked that bad? Maybe I won't make it kek
Working on interpreting an abstract alien robotic design I drew once into a 3D format. I had the idea to try making a small game in the future once I've finished developing the proper skills and this is a design idea for the antagonist species.
>>896541Your >>895599 model demonstrates a better understanding of anatomy than some people on this board, but it definitely needs improvement in some areas. Studying anatomy and proportion would be the best thing to do since you're the only one who can determine how your model should look, and if I just point out a bunch of flaws for you to fix, your model may not look the way you wanted it to. That being said, I'm going to anyways. - The size of the chest and hips are weird compared to each other. I would either make the chest smaller, or the hips bigger. - The fingers look too slender, but I like them for some reason. - The head in general looks weird. - All of the hair comes out from the top of the head, which may not be a problem for all characters, but since the hair is floating, it reveals the lack of hair on the back of the head. - Something seems wrong with the face, but I don't know if that's just because of the angle and/or the lighting.
>>896561Hmm I see. Yea I understand what you're getting at about how only you can determine what you want your pieces to look like. I guess I'm still trying to find the line I want to straddle between stylized and realistic and it's causing conflict. Also it does seem as if the retopo around the mouth was bretty shitty, but thanks anon, I'll try to reflect on the anatomy/hair for the next project. I guess I was just excited to share since I finished the full pipeline on that chara.
>>896327Here is my third significant hard surface modeling project. It took me 10h. I'd say 5 of those hours were good modeling work, and other other 3-5 were wrestling with mysterious failures in Moi. It is my first time using it non-trivially. That grate on the side I really should have done as a subdiv model and imported it into Moi for drilling. The network node for some reason was acting crazy I spent way too long trying to figure what is going on. Same for some of the earlier booleans. For more complex shapes, Moi hates it when they overlap with others so it helps to scale or move them a little so that is not happening.Moi is pretty fun to use when I am working with it instead of bashing my head against it. I am glad I finally resolved myself to just do this rig.The next is exporting it into Blender and doing a distortion check with the striped matcap. I'll also check how good of a job Rhino's quad remesher does. After that comes texturing in Substance which should be easy.
>>896630I exported this from Moi into Blender and put in a striped matcap. As far as I can tell, the shading is perfect. No distortion anywhere despite the topology being fairly nasty. The export is quite large and comes out to 40k faces at the lowest setting and 150k at the highest. I think even the lowest setting has a lot of detail. Next is Rhino's quad remesher.
>>896633Tried Rhino's quad remesher, but even with 100k quads for the big piece, it makes a mess of the grate. It is a waste of time using it. I'll stick with Moi's regular export.So far I've tried the quad remeshers in 3 different programs (Blender, Zbrush, Rhino) but they've been underwhelming. They are a lot better idea on paper than they are in practice. They have plenty of room for improvement.
>>896639Why do you need to remesh it at all? What are you planning on doing with it?I'd probably not bother getting a good topo unless you plan on using it as an asset for a game engine or something. I'd just shape it right, punch the holes out with a boolean modifier targeting a cylinder/prism with array modifiers and various other similar techniques. That project could be almost entirely procedural and defined largely with modifiers, if you're just trying to get some good renders or something.Even if you need to export it, I'd just apply the modifiers and call it a day. You don't need to remesh or retopo that thing. You're not deforming it. Clean topo isn't necessary for hard surface modeling beyond what needs to play nice with other modifiers.Good topology is pretty much entirely about accentuating the underlying anatomy, allowing good deformation, and interacting properly with modifiers. If you don't need any of that, don't bother. You're just punching holes in metal, so act like it.
>>896649>Why do you need to remesh it at all?Just testing how Rhino's quad remesher performs on an moderately complex object. I've read that most CAD software don't have as good export capability as Moi does. For example, when I modeled that water bottle in Rhino and converted it to poly, I had shading issues off the bat and had to ramp up the poly count to eliminate it. The quad remesher was actually better when it comes to doing NURBS to poly conversion in Rhino.
>>896672Than the vanilla converter I mean.
>>894781>>894921>>895286Wasn't sure how to do clouds and while I'd like to figure it out I think it's time to move on because I'd working on this too long without learning anything new where I'm still really new to Blender. It'll be a project I'll visit again later. Figured out arrays and negative lights. How to make trees. A bit of sculpting.
>>896678>Wasn't sure how to do clouds Like the green clouds in the back?I'd use plane and a noise texture, stretch it a bit, throw a color ramp on there to crunch up the contrast a bit, and change the color to green.ezpzStill, lookin good. The arms seem in a weird place though. I'd move them a bit further up towards the head.
>>896678>Wasn't sure how to do clouds>it's time to move on because I'd working on this too long without learning anything newHmm.
>>896678Doing clouds is easy.. its just a noise texture with some color ramp
>>896672>The quad remesher was actually better when it comes to doing NURBS to poly conversion in Rhino.I've been concerned whether I am unfairly bashing Rhino since a water bottle which I've tested it on and the rig here which I did in Moi are two separate objects. The rig is boxy, while the bottle is curvy so the later should be a tougher job for the exporter. So I actually went out did a few obj exports from Rhino to Blender. I also exported the Rhino model into Moi and from there into obj. My conclussion - Moi's exporter is in fact way better than Rhino's and even if you are focusing on NURBS modeling in Rhino, it would be worth getting Moi just to get the better export functionality.
>>896678You convert the object to a volume and add noise to the surface to get the wispy shape. This is quite similar as if you were making it in Houdini.
>>896723Serious question, why would you use nurbs for any of this?It would take literally seconds to get the same result with poly modeling and the end result would have perfect topology and almost certainly be sub 200 polys.In fact, here you go. The differences can be accounted for with normals and texturing.
>>896723I did not mention it, but during obj export Moi marks sharp edges which is really making UV unwrapping a lot easier than I'd anticipated. It is really a happy accident that the sharp edges just happen to be in the exact places I'd want to place the seams.
>>896728>Serious question, why would you use nurbs for any of this?There are bunch of benefits, but I just want to find the right way of modeling. There are 4 competing styles and I've been moving between them:* Box modeling* Subd modeling* Sculpting* NURBsIn you own model, you did the overall shape, but you didn't do that dent. The way I did it in Rhino is by cutting off a piece to the size, scaling it down and insetting before booleaning union it back again. If you took that approach, the boolean cleanup would take you a while and it would certainly take longer to do than a NURBs model. It is not like drawing a curve and revolving it is hard to do in NURBs.Suppose you took a box modeling approach (no subdiv) you could draw a polyline and revolve it to get the bottle shape. I am guessing this is probably what you did in your own model. But unlike with the NURBs or the subdiv or the NURBs approach, you are now stuck with your target poly count. You could subdiv it, but you'd need to clean up the top and bottom parts so don't get pinching where the triangles meet.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSqHeCq7Kio&list=PLoSyNsQF2hFBk6_lEES7IYlEdEt3ihB-f&index=11With the subdiv approach rather than revolving a curve, you'd have to start with a plane and extrude and scale it upward. But then you'd have to apply the modifier anyway to get the bottle dent. You could try doing it without the boolean, but you'd have to do some real wizardry to get the shape directly. I wouldn't be able to do it without much effort at my level. It is really annoying to have to keep track of topology like this and I'd rather not do it unless I can't help it. I admire the techniques he showed me in that playlist, but subdiv modeling the right way is black magic. (1/2)
>>896732With the sculpting approach, the process would be the same as with NURBs. You'd probably want to start out with a very high poly model and downscale to get the appropriate count. Using high density meshes makes booleans even easier than they are with NURBs so the design itself would be easy and you wouldn't need to worry about cleaning up that dent, but you might need to retopo and need to put in extra effort during UV unwrapping afterwards. You can do a lot more with sculpting than you could with NURBs, but you would not benefit from the added flexibility of sculpting while modeling an object such as this. You'd need to spend time wrangling the Zremesher to get a good result. Retopoing by hand would not be that much different from box modeling it to begin with. Unlike retopoing a char model, you'd want precision for a model such as this so that in fact is the retopo approach you'd take, to box model it from scratch.The NURBs approach would be the easiest for a hard surface object such as this and would give you the most succinct representation of it. You don't have to worry about the poly count or the topology. If you want to turn into a poly model you can export it as low or high as you need to. The sharp edges that Moi gives you out of the box can be converted into seams so UV unwrapping is no problem either.
>>896732>Suppose you took a box modeling approach (no subdiv) you could draw a polyline and revolve it to get the bottle shape.I just extruded a cylinder but using lathe on a spline like you suggested doesn't lock you into any kind of polycount resolution.
>>896732>box modeling>subd modelingthose are the same thing
>>896738they're not, because box modelling can be done without subdivision
>>896740>box model>apply turbosmoothwa la
>>896734>If you want to turn into a poly model you can export it as low or high as you need to.not sure I'd consider 2k polys 'low' for that bottle
>>896744thats not how subD works, you have to do creasing as well and check and adjust every single crease
>>896746>crease modifier>turbosmoothwa la
>>896747again, you dont do that in box modelling so there is a big difference between subD modelling and box modelling you clown
>>896745The inside doubles the count if that matters.
>>896748applying two modifiers doesn't make it an entirely new modeling method
>>896750anon, one method has a wide variety of creases that you have to manually test each time. The other side does not. One method has 4x the amount of polygons per level. Are you retarded?
>>896751>a wide variety of creases that you have to manually test each timeyou're doing it wrong
>>896752I'm not doing it wrong, you just dont know what you're talking about and want to get the last word in. I've been using MODO since 2012
>>896753guess you're just stuck in the old way of doing things
>>896754Do you want full control of your creased edges yes or no?
>>896755ever heard of work smart not hard? you can set up proper creasing using data channels so when you work it's handled appropriately on the flygoing back and forth a trillion times to micromanage creases is idiotic
>>896756>you can set up proper creasing using data channels so when you work it's handled appropriately on the flyNot that guy, but what are you talking about?
>>896756>you can set up proper creasing using data channels so when you work it's handled appropriately on the flyWhat are you smoking? Edge creasing is an artistic choice handled on a per edge basis. MODO has exactly the right tools to manage this. I take it you're new.
>>896750Imagine if NURBs modeling only had straight lines and you suddenly got curves. The is what subd modeling does to poly modeling. It is a very significant step.
>>896758>>896759literally the same thing except higher resolutionprove me wrong
>>896762>literally the same thingDo you mean NURBS and subdiv? If so, not at all. Consider how booleans work with them. Booleans are easy with NURBS, but hard with subdiv models. Also it is not a matter of resolution. Rhino for example has spline based subdiv, but the structure still has the same properties as the mesh based one.
>>896767no i did not mean that
>>896769Every time someone explains why you are wrong you reply with incredibly short, "no i didnt mean that" type answers with no counter argument. Get tf out of here
>>896774>oncetry not to get so butthurt in the future boomer
>>896630Textured and rendered it in Iray. Maybe some of those thin edges could use a small chamfer so they catch light, but otherwise this is fine I think.
>>896778you should learn how to light a scene
>>896778>>896779Yeah your lighting is making you a big disservice. Grab a studio HDRI at least.
>>896778Looks cool, but I have to reiterate what the other anons say about lighting. Lighting makes a huge difference.
>>896778you need better lighting.
Just wondering if anyone can help.Whenever I put on face orientation everything is right, but if I change the angle or zoom out then some parts of the mesh get a mix of red and blue, like the normals are simultaneously correct and incorrect. Does anyone know why this is? I've recalculated them both inside and out and there are no double vertices or anything.It has a subdivision modifier on it that hasn't been applied. It's not that is it?
>>896831Sounds like z-fighting. Either you have overlapping geometry or you need to change the clipping distance on your camera.
>>896835Thanks, I'll take a look into that and see if that fixes it. Overlapping geometry was what I thought at first too, but I took a look and it all seemed fine.
>>894376Are you a ycfcg student? Are you lost? nice work btw.
Anything obvious showing that means this wouldn't 3d (resin) print, or be problematic?
>>897864Nothing obvious except for the normals that look a bit messed up.Blender ships with an addon for 3D printing that does a bunch of automated tests IIRC, you could try that.