What's the worst job posting you've ever seen/worst offer you've ever received?
Everything posted on polycount job forum is really cringe rn. It used to be so cash
>>864617God I fucking hate these people with rich parents who start game companies. They just want to be entrepreneurial "idea guys" while paying everyone else low salaries to both work for and market their company.
>>864619What, you don't like revenue share?
>>864617>35-45k/yrpretty much standard pay for that kind of job around here(germany).
>remote work means you'll be able to do these jobs from anywhere, even places with low costs of living!I wish.
>>864617>Deadlines>Constant communication.And this is why American "muh meetings" are probably one of the biggest contributors to games turning out shit.
>>864617>we're looking to expand/grow our businessCool, but what does that have to do with me being a 3D Environment Artist?
>>864649Its a way to communicate that they are hiring lots of new people AND most importantly their excuse why they pay shitty wages. My slightly simple-minded buddy works as electrician and makes double the amount of $$$ while working less.
>>864661Because he does meaningful shit unlike us.We try to ass kiss trannies and kikes to get jobs at bullshit companies to do bullshit games that become forgotten tomorrow morning
>>864661the thing about being an electrician is that there are dangers to doing your job etc. With 3d jobs its different, a lot less pressure
>>864644Yeah I fucking hate this. Studios rarely allow remote work, and when they do, you still have to basically move to another country, but can work from home! At that point I might as well just work in a studio, the whole point of remote work is so I can stay in my home country and work for studios based in another country, WITHOUT ever having to go there.
>>864666Dumbass it is not as stressful as you think. I'm literally sitting on my ass pretending to work while I wait for trouble. I'm staying in because of the benefits and long vacation which allow me to do 3d and 2d in my spare time.
>>864674its stressful anon. Its much better to be an engineer.
>>864637ECU (Eurofag Credit Units)
>>864673Please think of the middle managers and art directors.
>>864677 Maintenance is where you want to be NOT any type of field service job ie travelling to shitty sites commissioning equipment. It requires a certain kind of faggot to like these jobs.
>>864666>there are dangers to doing your jobthat is true Satan, but dangers are manageable and its not like he works with heavy currents and without protection gear.Sitting on your ass all day too is detrimental to your health in the long run.
>>864683Why, in my country I see guys in IT work remotely for USA based studios all the time. I'm lucky to do it as well, but as a freelancer. Otherwise, opportunites like that are rare in this industry, which sucks. It can be done.
>>864617Working with parasites7 dollars an hour
>>864686Fuck maintenance, having to fix shit at old places with bad wiring could get me killed one day.
>>864617I don't think they know what a pipeline is... maybe they should visit Ford's car factory.
>>864673>>864644I think it's for legal reasons, they get subsidies or something for employing within the state
>>864617>35-45k for a job you could do from anywhere with an internet connection.Sounds pretty good. Take that job and move to Thailand.
>>864735>ThailandTranny central. Been there, moved back to Australia.
>>864745>Tranny central.That's why I suggested it. Rent boys everywhere.
>>864731That's not legal reasons, that's greed reasons. Saw an offer the other day that allowed remote work but only in the states of Georgia, Florida and Texas. Shitty labor laws bring jobs, I guess.
>>864701Metaphorical or literal parasites?
>>864735As if the boss won't suddenly decide everyone should visit a weekend tech conference -- attendance mandatory. He's even found you a round trip ticket! You leave for the US Friday morning and return to Thailand Sunday evening. No reimbursements, that's just part of the hustle.
>>864617>trust and integrity are "tops" in our book>needs to have a positive, can-do attitude>being "personable" is always a great quality to haveTranslation: we're looking for ditzy fuckable females to play Love Interests in the CEOs personal live-action harem eroge.
>>864826Why ARE those words in quotes?
>>864828Kek. The gay innuendo is off the charts.
>>864617>ModoI know its F*dry stuff, but is this something big or even medium studios use regularly?
>>864958not really. It started promising when a team of people left Lightwave and decided to create their own modelling program, frustrated with the stagnation of Lightwave and its fucking stupid design decision of separating modeller from scene management.First versions where great and a cut above the rest with nice features and clean UI and workflow, couple years further down the line Foundry bought it and shoved it into their portfolio and started their big marketing talk, while slowly under-cooking it when it comes to features while making wild promises. Another couple of versions later and most of the people responsible for creating it in the first place left foundry and development became stagnant. It was initially supposed to become a full fledged generalist 3D program able to do almost all, but somewhere along the way they lost it. Recent version have seen an UI makeover that turned it retarded, seriously look at the UI with all the redundant icons!Development of new core features have long been abandoned mostly, last 5 versions where laughable, but surely Foundry shoved a new license scheme with an horrible spotty web-backend in (subscription only!) that drives legit customers to self-harm while pirates laugh about it (because they'll never see any of those problems). It is still occasionally in use in various parts of the industry, mostly design companies who design shoes (I am not kidding) and Bicycle helmets and stuff like that, but besides some hardcore users/fans here and there it plays a minor role in the whole 3D industry. Currently a subscription cost twice an indie license of 3DsMax costs while having not even 30% of its features. I personally never liked it and would rather recommend Max if you need a proper modelling suite that can do everything. Hell - even Blender is more versatile and recommendable in the long run (if you pimp it with some addons). Thanks for listening to my Ted talk about the Foundry and how history repeats itself.
>>865237Do you think anyone took his offer and finished it by 5?
>>865245Modo is a great modeler and was way ahead of its time. Webm related is from my modo archives, 2012. My how time flies.
>>865245>fucking stupid design decision of separating modeller from scene managementstems back to the workstation days when EVERY 3D application did separated workspaces. A design decision related to memory issues and different devs for the different modules. The boards are working to get Vizrt (who bought NewTek, doing absolutely nothing with it) to release it to the willing devs within the community for a complete restructuring. Some high profile industry veterans with leverage have joined these efforts.
>>865265>stems back to the workstation days when EVERY 3D application did separated workspaces.how many decades in the past was that? 2, 3? >The boards are working to get Vizrt (who bought NewTek, doing absolutely nothing with it) to release it to the willing devs within the community for a complete restructuring. Some high profile industry veterans with leverage have joined these efforts.I believe it when its done and finished. Also congratulations to you, you are the first anon I have ever met on /3 who actually defends Lightwave. I get the nostalgia somewhat (actually no, I don't, I always hated Lightwave and the shit made with it due to its "bad look") but come on now, Lightwave is a fucking zombie at this point. Its not really dead, but its already rotten and stinky.
>>865253Yes it is a good modeller, but is it worth its price and the fact that you have to deal with the shitty Foundry who treats it as a bad stepchild? I wouldn't even use it if it where free at this point. Well it actually is free since I am a pirate, but even when I tested out version 11 for free years ago, I couldn't get into it and never touched it after spending a week with it. Its just doesn't gel with me and at this point I rather learn Max, which I also dislike pretty much, but at least I know for certain it won't be killed next week and is pretty solid, competent and gets shit done. Foundry only cares about Nuke and maybe Katana, because both are fucking expensive and bring them lots of $$$. Modo seems like on its deathbed, or following the same trajectory as Lightwave....Like I said, History repeats itself and its a damn shame if you ask me, even if I don't like it, it could be great for others....
>>865273mari is something the foundry cares about as well and it scales really well for production work, something you cant say about painter
>>865279They have like 3 people working on Mari so the updates always look meager, that's what I mean with that they don't care.Yes the products are good, but they are not actually putting a lot of effort in to make them much better. I haven't upgraded Mari once since version 4 because there is nothing that I really need from the stuff they added. It seems like all of their programmers work on Nuke since this is really mainstream and it brings them the most amount of cash. For the rest they do the bare minimum and get away with it and I hate them for it. But hey, I am not paying them so maybe I shouldn't be complaining.
>>865286v5 has usd. Its huge.
Anything with>Salary: competitiveHas a non competitive salary and always flusters interviewers if you bring it up with them
>>865272It started me out on making CGI for TV and a few feature films and paid my bills. That's all. I also write plugins for it since the late 90s.Had the LW Core fiasco not happened we would've exactly that; a merge between modeler and layout. I'm eager to get my hands on the source to get some improvements done.
>>865355>paid my bills.can't argue with that. I rejected jobs demanding me to use and learn Lightwave. Worked less using Maya and earned more. >I'm eager to get my hands on the source to get some improvements done.How realistic is it that Vizrt actually releases the source and let you do that?
>>864646meetings can be useful though? unless you're constantly giving updates in a slack channel or something it seems like a good idea to meet weekly or so to see where everyone is. maybe i'm just not sure what you mean, idkhard deadlines are ass tho
>>865293Listing the salary in the job posting itself or saying it within the first minute of the interview should be required.
>>865476I assume he meant meetings that could have been an email instead. Meetings within departments are important. Meetings between department heads and the execs are important. Meetings where artists and programmers sit in with the business/legal departments, while never being allowed to give input are a waste of time.
>>864768It's funny because those incentives were put in place by bitter people just like you to "save this state from the evil international corporations and cheap foreign labor employed by GREEDY companies!"All of you fags need to quit seeking short businesses for all of your problems and realize you can start your own. You can pool your money too since you're so sure every company out there is ripping everyone else off, you should be easily able to undersell them by not being exploitative.
>>865492A thousand times this. Do phone interviews, burn gas and time for in-person interviews, can't find a parking space, stand outside in the rain waiting for someone to let you in, do the same song and dance to everyone you meet and finally after several days of this bullshit get offered a McWagie salary + maybe lunch vouchers. The urge to drive a pen into the interviewers skull is real.
>>865495>to "save this state from the evil international corporations and cheap foreign labor employed by GREEDY companies!"Well...yeah. If your outsource all of the jobs then there aren't enough toilets to clean and streets to sweep to keep everyone else in the state with food on the table.You seem to completely overlook the fact that they CAN still outsource certain jobs, particularly ones like this,, only they won't because they won't get the subsidies. Which brings us directly back to *checks notes* GREEDY companies. Whether those incentives exist or not, you're still looking at employing a third worlder for such a shitty wage. One of the biggest mistakes ever made was minimum wage. It's anti-competitive, makes people worse off, and ensures small businesses can't compete with evil international corporations for the simple fact that they don't make anywhere near as much money.
>>865506Funny thing: I used to work as a programmer in the wonderful state of Mississippi. I got an interview with a large college for a job. An older guy in his late 70's was the head of the IT department. He gave me a tour, talked up the job, showed me their server room and talked about the stuff they wanted to do. A big overhaul of their entire system. When we finally got back to his office, he took out a piece of paper and said he was going to write down my salary (I don't fucking know why he couldn't say it out loud). He slid the paper across the table. After tax, I would be a systems architect getting paid $30,000.
>>865495>bitter peopleWhere do you think you are?
>>865514>One of the biggest mistakes ever made was minimum wage.You're giving a lot of credit to businesses that they would actually pay us anything worth a damn without a minimum wage. Does it lead to some outsourcing? Sure. But the alternative is to have job postings offering $5 an hour in an expensive country. If people start going for that, those businesses will think "we can pay the mid and seniors a lot less, too!" Those employees will quit in protest and the incoming workers will take their jobs for half the salary. I'm sure you would enjoy working crunch time while making 35k, but most would just leave the industry and then we're back to outsourcing.
>>865495we didn’t make those laws for this.those laws didn’t account for remote work and were catered towards manufacturing and were half assed.if they were really as draconian as you writ the entire remote work field would’ve ceased to exist(which wouldn’t entirely be a negative thing if it meant nations job markets wouldn’t be undermined by every china and indian sweatshop)the problem is politicians aren’t trying to solve the above issue and doing everything they can to skirt around the bushes so we repeatedly end up with situations like this where a totally unrelated field like remote work gets hit by laws designed for completely different purposes.tl;dr none of this would be a problem if your governments were nationalist socialist and sane and actually led by people with love for their citizens instead of what we have today a corrupt decadent political upper class fighting tooth and nail for their elite overlords and doing everything in their power except actually trying to solve key issues.its why our politicians do everything in their power to steer any occuy wallstreet type movements into racial movements or pointless gender movements because the latter wastes everyones time and is controlled by them and prevents actual meaningful movements from popping up.
>>865520You're meant to negotiate as an active part of this, not mindlessly seethe with no input. If there really were widespread "starvation wages", no one would work for them.Any money you save or spend on recreation is personal profit you're taking in, contrary to popular propaganda.Having worked a variety of minimum wage jobs, I can say certain of these jobs and certain of these specific workers absolutely deserve $20/hour, or more, but others would be a waste of company money even at $5/hourPeople who think in terms of class solidarity simply have not spent enough time with lower classes
>>865558>you should be easily able to undersell them by not being exploitativeTurning the studio into an artist-owned cooperative with increased salaries won't make it more competitive. There's structural exploitation in the market, so other studios would remain more competitive and this one would go bankrupt. For this to work we'd have to change all studios in the same way, and band together against the ever-cheaper demands of clients.
>>864768Well you'll be happy to hear blue state fags are voting for the same shit and same type of faggots they ran away from.
>>865592>have to live w/ roommates in a rundown house in niggerville because cost of living is insultingly high>save up enough to flee niggerville once a year for 2 weeks, buy a vidya on 75% sale every 6 months or so and eat a pizza every other month>save enough for a rainy day>"Any money you save or spend on recreation is personal profit you're taking in, contrary to popular propaganda!">meanwhile Kevin, who had a jolly old upper-middle-class childhood dreaming of doing "pictures with the computer" and never had to worry about a thing, is happy working from the downtown McMansion that used to be his parents' 6th holiday home for 17k a year working the same "glamorous" job in the same city, driving wages down.I'm at the polar opposite of being a commie, but you scum need to be murdered in cold-blood.
>>865630Move out of the fucking city and commute, you dumb bitch And stop supporting government which supports the federal reserve and handing it more power while it buys up lands across the midwest driving up the cost everywhere. You're not "the opposite of a commie", you're a white flavored commie, and since you'd rather lay your personal woes like a nigger than ever read a fucking book, maybe YOU should die, faggot.
>>865645I'm already out of the fucking city you absolute cunt>commute>just offset the money you save on housing on transportation, great idea!>it buys up lands across the midwest driving up the cost everywhere.too fucking late for thatthe only good thing that came out of the covid shit is semi-perma remote working, where you could potentially go live in the middle of nowhere as long as it's got internet.
>>865592>You're meant to negotiate as an active part of this, not mindlessly seethe with no input.You mean attempt to negotiate a salary from $15 to $20, only to be told to fuck off and work at a grocery store to pay bills?>If there really were widespread "starvation wages", no one would work for them.Overseas workers would. Average yearly salary in India is just under $400. Imagine an American software company listing a job that pays TRIPLE the annual salary of your country. Dell technicians get paid the equivalent of $5,000 a year and they live well above the standard of living there. Game companies are willing to take a hit to quality if they can pay 5% of the price for someone overseas to work 50 hours a week and get it done without complaint. They'll keep an art director and outsourcing artist on board to keep things running smoothly but that's about it.>Any money you save or spend on recreation is personal profit you're taking in, contrary to popular propaganda.I'm lucky to afford food and rent at my current job. People deserving better pay for their work isn't propaganda you bootlicker. Share your post with your boss, I'm sure he'll let you huff his farts as a reward.>Having worked a variety of minimum wage jobs, I can say certain of these jobs and certain of these specific workers absolutely deserve $20/hour, or more, but others would be a waste of company money even at $5/hourJobs go obsolete and a person has to update their skills to stay employable. But everyone deserved to be able to support themselves in that transition. The only alternative is to let them sink into poverty and become a burden on the state.>People who think in terms of class solidarity simply have not spent enough time with lower classesLet me tell you this: Take a zero off a CEO's paycheck and he's still wealthy. Take a zero off your paycheck and you'll be living on the street. You're a lot closer to the lower class than you are to the upper class.
>>865592>Any money you save or spend on recreation is personal profit you're taking in, contrary to popular propaganda.We work in the entertainment industry you insufferable cunt. Our jobs hinge on people spending money on recreation. You're actively arguing against your own interests.
>>865645>just move>just find cheap housing>just get a job>just tell your boss to pay you well>just get good benefits and healthcare>just save your money because emergencies don't existyou're just some upper-middle class midwest suburbanite who's never had to worry about money and talks down on other people for not being born luckystop posting on /3/ and find a job at a libertarian think-tank, they love that attitude
>>865245I haven't seen certain Modo features in other modeling software like the falloffs or the quick access workplane.Unironically Blender could also copy all that shit with no issue since the cursor and the action center might as well do the same thing, but aside from miratools which has a pisspoor attempt to copy falloffs, no one else has really tried
>>865707>talks down on other people for not being born lucky>youre not living in poverty???>guess youre just>L U C K Y>U>C>K>Ylow iq, low skill, blames everyone else for their own failures. what a surprise you ended up on /3/ as well haha. pop open blender and fiverr and get to work loser
>>865815>youre not living in poverty???>guess youre just>L U C K YThat's literally true though.
>>865815>you ended up on /3/ as well hahanot even hiding your projection
>>865800there's modo's stuff implemented as plugins by modo refugeesagreed with people above that foundry is retarded and modo is deadi'm using it for three years and can't wait to ditch it, but every time i postpone the transition because i don't want to slow down the workit's just so much better and so much shittier at the same time it's unrealeverything about the engine and performance is complete garbage, but modeling workflow, tools and manipulations are so above everything else
>>865815>low iq, low skill, blames everyone else for their own failures. what a surprise you ended up on /3/ as well haha. pop open blender and fiverr and get to work loserCool. Show us losers your portfolio.
>>865911Agreed, I'm not an expert and I used it just for a few months but I never really liked it aside from its modeling tools which were something else.Blender 2.8 copied modo in more than just the GUI revamp, but the workflow is still not there.
>>865888trips confirm it
>>865293>Salary: competitiveI hate competition though, lmao.
>>865815and they hated him, because he spoke the truth