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For all your esoteric pursuits. All paths welcome. Please keep discussion insightful and productive.

Library: https://mega.nz/#F!gwNBRAzS!mkAUO0OBTbZ8gXVQkRXsqQ
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Thoughts on Astral Dynamics? I think a lot of people with "aphantasia" could benefit
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>>22822131
I saw that there's a sabian symbols thread and that reminded me about the better version of that, check this out https://heavenastrolabe.wordpress.com/2009/07/08/about-the-stars-of-angelus-astrolabium-planum/

dl the pdf and see what the image is that corresponds to your rising sign (as well as other critical points and planets). reminder that this uses ordinal, not cardinal, degree scale, so if you have the sun at 14 deg sag, that'll be 15 deg sag in this text.

>Astrolabium Planum, one of the most intriguing and enigmatic books written during Renaissance by Johannes Angelus, published in 1488 in Augusta, one of the oldest German cities, founded by the Roman Emperor Augustus- where the author Johann Engel stated that the second part – a collection of pictures showing the 360 degrees of zodiacal belt with an explicative sentence for each of them
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Does 'God' hear every prayer and just decides which one he considers important?
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I need help, I need to make someone stop being a Coward that runs away from it's feelings.
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I'm gonna cure my phimosis with magic
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>>22823273
Just pull, you pussy.
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>>22822131
linking a fucking download link doesn't promote discussion.
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>>22824035
Then why don't you start some? Nobody here is obligated to you.
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>>22824107
I didn't start the thread. I came in with no hopes that were met with.. nothing.
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>>22824126
>bitches about content instead of posting content
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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So, does anyone have a favorite online shop? I've always defaulted to Llewellyn because they seem to be the biggest one on the block but I wouldn't mind finding smaller shops that sell niche ritual items.
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>>22822131
CANCER 4
A cat arguing with a mouse.
KEYWORD: Justification
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>>22824164
why should i reveal anything when nothing was offered to begin with? lurk more faggot.
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>>22824203
You don't get it, friend. I'm not expecting you to contribute, but you're here expecting it from others. Be the change you wanna see.

The thing driving you to complain is holding you back.
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>>22824170
try shamansmarket. they restocked recently.
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Are the o9a spirits legit? I don't care for the organization, but I'm curious about the actual magick.
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>>22824265
So the thing about spirits is that they go by several names. Asking if the spirits from o9a are legit depends entirely on whether or not you believe those names can be used to summon forth those particular spirits. Personally, I say yes. Using their provided guidelines you should be able to call them forth.
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I want to make a sigil to help me succeed with no fap but don't know what sentence I should use. I got "I have no urge to masterbate" , "I am free from pornography" Which one is better or what does anyone suggest?
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>>22824279
i recommend the former. it gets right at the heart of what you want. you could mark yourself or carve a few into clay or wax and leave them around places you usually crank it.
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>>22824253
Thank you! Have you looked at Magickal Cat? They seem to have a large catalog but it looks like you have to root through a lot of bullshit to get to the good stuff.
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>>22824279
something more honest like, "i don't need masturbation."
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>>22824279
I vote free from porn. It's more harmful than fapping. High fructose corn syrup of the mind.
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Whats with the increase of fascism and LHP beliefs? I feel like a lot of far right groups are turning into these groups. Is this a new thing?
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>>22824333
>333
t. Devil of the Abyss

>>22824393
>93
Confirmed True Will™
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>>22824462
not necessarily. for any subset of knowledge there will always be a group that tries to use it to increase their own power. magick is no different.
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>>22824462
No, fascism is aesthetics and part of their aesthetic is mystery and occultism
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>>22824265
VK Jehannum has a lot of vids and articles about them. One I find interesting is Budsturga. It's weird too, because just yesterday and a bit earlier today I was thinking about it, because I wasn't familiar with the spirit, and was curious. I check his shit later, out of nowhere he makes a video about Budsturga after almost a week of no uploads. Fucking synchronicity.
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>>22824494
>Fucking synchronicity
Fucking apophenia
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>>22824203
Fuck off summerfag.
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is magick like using muscle or loading ammunition into a firearm?
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Magic isn't real guys. End the larp.
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>>22824035
Fuck you faggot. Omg has established board culture. And since you philistines ran off the tripfag Ape. This thread has gone to dogshit. Don't fucking bitch about not being entertained.
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>>22824203
Unironically lurk more nigger. This has never been a mystery school of a board. Fucking faggots burned down Ape's library
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>>22824170
Luciferian apotheca and Become a living god
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>>22824720
>>22824723
Wait, what the fuck? Isn't he the one who maintains the library in the OP link?

I used to be a regular here a couple years back but took a break from 4chan in general and only came back recently. Anyone willing to share the full story?
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Just had an incredible experience with using a sword in ritual. I'm also very stoned. I just used two fingers, but perceived a long blade. Touching it to kether, the sword filled with light, as though trapping or reflecting Kether. Each sephiroth of the qabalistic cross filled with light, except Tiferet which refracted brilliant gold.

The sword carved golden flame through the air for the circle and pentagrams. And they charged urgently. It felt like control and precision.

The way it glowed with the light of Kether made me think of a soldier acting on the will of the King. The power a proxy, reflecting authority.
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>>22825174
Ape got tired of years of shit and quit, Satyr also thought it'd be best. There was a particular streak of trolls and people actively trying to bomb the threads. Ape took down the public link of the library, although I can say with certainty other links exist.

The threads just became shit flinging, and all the tripfags left. The threads even stopped for a little. Then it came back and slowly everyone trickled back. Ape generally doesn't post, but I think there have been a few by him anon. Some of the other trips linger, although I regret to say Sevis is not here. 493 relatively absent, Shaula posts time to time. Surgo is still depressed.

Someone else hosted a library, but I haven't been in it myself. I've downloaded most of what I need from the library, which admittedly isn't much.

I don't know why I've been compelled to chronicle these events.
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>>22824700
Says the guy who just successfully casted a spell.
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>>22822131
I had to leave to attend to family and then get back home so I never got to finish a conversation I was having in the last thread.

>>22816764

Is this anon who says he/she has performed magick to reverse time still around? If it turns out that I really don't have the capacity for it, that's still fine, I'm much more concerned about having it done than whether or not I'm solely responsible.
Also to the other anon who replied on the last thread >>22817028
I know full well it's not a game, I have been practicing for years, although only seriously for the past couple of them. Do you know who invented that form of magick, or maybe better who is the most reliable user of it in modern day?
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>>22825307
It's something few know and fewer are willing to teach. As far as I know, it's unreliable and dangerous. The dude who invented it is dead, and it is unlikely that anyone will improve on it.

If by some nonzero chance you are meant to practice it, you will find it on your own. But it's obscure, challenging, and dangerous. It would take you a very long time to become capable of finding and using this kind of magick. Whatever your problem is can be dealt with in other means, magically or otherwise.
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>>22825213
iirc the qabalistic cross is meant to pull that energy down or at least bridge the gap. It’s an interesting thought to add a step for the purpose of harnessing the energy in a more direct way. I don’t know enough about the finer points, but it seems like a good idea conceptually
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>>22822131
How I make my own cabal and occult socity?
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>>22825400
step 1: learn about occult
step 2: network
step 3: ?????????
step 4: prophet
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>>22825238
so with all their occult knowledge and magical powers they couldn't do anything against a bunch of trolls and got shitposted out of their own threads?

so much for their shit eating rituals
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>>22822131
would anyone like to share how they came upon their magick / true name? i'm not sure where to start.
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>>22825238
Damn. Thanks for the recap.

Ape and I butted heads occasionally but I still appreciated his knowledge and candor. I can understand the decision though, I left at some point during the shit flinging too.
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What are some good books on qabalistic pathworking?
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Why aren't there paths connecting Binah with Chesed and Chokmah with Geburah?
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What magics should I study if I am a serious inquirer, what authors? Crowley? Notice that it must be something readily available, since I loathe reading in a computer screen and I'd be purchasing the materials.

My background is that of a taoist practicioner, water tradition.
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What magic to cure ed and gain rock hard erections?
(besides viagra)
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>>22825864
Cordyceps, the Tibetan caterpillar fungus.
>>22825829
Solomonaic stuff converges nicely with Daoist practice.
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>>22825891
thats pretty expensive
i was hoping for a spell or maybe a blood sacrifice
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>>22825909
You can buy a ~20 dollar bag from a supplier that I use. Do you want me to tell you the name or give you a link?
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>>22825909
A blood sacrifice of worms would suffice, if you want to improvise.
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>>22825912
name
ive tried changing diet, eating beets

the only thing thats working is binaural beats for ed

i was hoping maybe theres some demon thatll make my dick rockhard if i give it some blood or something
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>>22825918
how do i go about this?
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>>22825909
You are stupid the price is ALWAYS HIGHER THAN THE RESULT
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>>22825926
i mean alot of money for a fungus i dont even know will work
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>>22825921
OM mushrooms
>binaural beats for ed

What kind of fitness level do you achieve with your abdominals and glutes? You're trying to increase oxygenated blood flow to that region.

>i was hoping maybe theres some demon thatll make my dick rockhard if i give it some blood or something

It's a eukaryote infection of unnamed worms, so you appease them by making a non-specific vermicide that will select for symbiosis.
The demons are microorganisms with a collective intelligence.

>>22825925
The fluids of earthworms, burned. Inhale the smoke.

Himalayans used millipede smoke to cure hemmorhoids.
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>>22825931
If your problem is nerve damage, then it won't work.
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>>22825937
i think its mental
too much pornography rerouting the stimulation from physical to mental
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>>22825940
That's a blood flow issue, unless you mean a loss of sensation in your penis.
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>>22825946
so exercise the abs and glutes?

doc aint there some magic words i can just say?
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>>22825950
That depends on your linguistic heritage or enthomagic.
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>>22825954
i just want long lasting and fully hard erections

what do i need to do? besides workout ill start that tomorrow.
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>>22825961

You want to do endurance glute exercise.

Walking and squats. Stretch first, don't hurt yourself. Cordyceps will annoy you with the duration of a boner.
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>>22825891
>Solomonaic
What's that? Goetia? I don't see how it is even partially related.
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>>22825961
You could try chinese qigong for sexual vigor, I'm sure a supplied bookstore will have a book or two on cultivating male sexual vigor, some books include exercises and herbs you can try.
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>>22825989
The ancestor worship stuff, and channeling, is practiced by Daoists in Taiwan. They have a fisherwoman goddess.
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>>22826013
Tbh the only taoist tradition for whose magic I've found anything is fu talisman, and I'm not sure what to think of 'em
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>>22826026
>fu talisman
Sounds like you want Solomonaic sigil magic.
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>>22826032
Eh, not the same thing, albeit related, fu talismans are a different beast.
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>>22826039
They're exactly the same thing in a limited, materialistic viewpoint.
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>>22826044
All in all seems like very shitty magic, I was expecting to use some kind of magic that allows me to invest my ever growing energy reserves for maximum results, though I guess I'll pass and just grow in energy accumulation.
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>>22826054
Sorry if I misled you.
What type of magic were you trying to use to achieve those ends?
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>>22824279
The former is definitely the better, negative affirmations focused on urges like "I don't want to smoke" have close to no effect - your subconscious takes it as "I have no urge to smoke, it makes me upset, but I'm still doing it" which only serves to make you more miserable. On the other hand, a sentence like "I'm free from cigarettes" send your subconscious just that
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>>22826054
I don't know your gender, but it sounds like semen retention might be the thing for you.
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>>22826075
No, that's not advisable, you avoid ejaculation, but you must ejaculate every now and then, it is not healthy to never ejaculate.
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>>22826062
I don't know, I know the basic theory that you output a certain ammount of energy with a certain desire and such, but I don't know the procedure.
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>>22826110
Never-ejaculation is a myth. It might be a health benefit for a subtype of patient to exclusively ejaculate via nocturnal emissions.

>>22826114
You're not answering my question, I want you to be specific about the means, not the start and end. I'm leaning towards recommending alchemy, but that Chinese tradition has a worse medical reputation.

If you are really open-minded about this, then I could use some more words about how you interpret theory.
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>>22826132
I am asking about learning magic, you're presupossing I know magic, I don't, I know that theory of energy input results output and that's it.
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>>22826155
That's thermo, not magic, to me.

I get the idea that you want to make yourself a better conduit for energy transfer, particularly in psychological energy to material potential energy. N'est-ce pas?


I believe you are seeking alchemy, if I have gathered the right idea.
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>>22822131
I need a spell or ritual to dispell hatred.
I was thinking of having the person who hates draw a representation of everything he hates about the other person on canvas.
Then I would ask him, why he thinks that that person is represented by it, and then burn the representation.

But not sure it would be optimal.
Any thoughts?
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>>22826550
The representation is abstract, and the image positioning is a factor.

How is the canvas burned?

Is the ash used?
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>>22824279
First is better but I'd turn it into "I resist the urge to masterbait" since getting rid of the urge is, well, probably not too realistic.
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>>22824462
Likewise witchcraft and wicca seem to be trending among leftists, with group hexes against Trump and all that shit. Magical warfare yo
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>>22826556
>The representation is abstract
Yes, I personally do impulsive abstract art, so the person will have an impulse in that direction.

I want to take it out to a place where that is allowed, like nature or something. Make it stand upright, then douse it with accelerator and just let it burn to ash.
The ash will be scattered to the wind, like the feelings of hatred hopefully.
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>>22826578
What is the tool available for their drawing?

Are you getting a stream of consciousness or discrete symbols?

You have a ward right now, you might need to direct the abstraction.

It will work until the person finds a new reason to hate the object.

I don't think you should run afoul of Smokey the Bear. You should use a fireplace or a pit, with aromatic wood instead of flammable fluid.
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Anyone know a way to mash up strength training with banishment rituals? I'd rather heave iron than mince around in faggy robes.
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>>22825307
>Is this anon who says he/she has performed magick to reverse time still around?

Yes.

>>22825337
>It's something few know and fewer are willing to teach. As far as I know, it's unreliable and dangerous.

True.

>The dude who invented it is dead, and it is unlikely that anyone will improve on it.

You're thinking of Ebony. What I know, I didn't learn from Ebony.

>>22825694
The Golden Dawn material.

>>22825829
Regardie. Crowley. Agrippa.
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>>22826591
What are you trying to banish?
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Has anyone worked with Astaroth? Got experiences to share? I'm trying to establish a connection, day 2 now and I've felt some strange things while meditating. I've felt like he/she's been reaching out to me for a while now.
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>>22826591
This probably isn't for you.
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>>22826595
Is there anything you can share about:

>What I know, I didn't learn from Ebony.

?
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>>22826588
definitely a stream of consciousness.
It would be harder to represent discrete symbols, and the person would probably fail to draw them in the way it would be intended. A stream of consciousness doesn't have those problems.

>It will work until the person finds a new reason to hate the object.
Naturally, but I already made the other person willing to make sure that doesn't happen. It's hopefully only the bad air that exists right now which needs to be banished.

>I don't think you should run afoul of Smokey the Bear. You should use a fireplace or a pit, with aromatic wood instead of flammable fluid.
Oh, ok. Well, I wasn't going to do that in the woods, and the climate here doesn't make it likely that something like that could happen. But I can do it in a pit with aromatic wood, it's cool, too.
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>>22826597
>felt some strange things while meditating.

You're not getting anywhere.

What protocol are you following?
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>>22826603
>already made the object willing to make sure that doesn't happen.
so that we don't have misunderstandings.
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>>22826601
I thought you were some sort of expert?
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>>22826604
LBRP, then meditate while reciting the enn. What do you suggest?
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>>22826614
How long have you been banishing every day?
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>>22826619
As I said day 2 so twice now
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>>22826608
Not on time reversal.
>definitely a stream of consciousness.
Then, I think the drawing instructions should reflect the sought psychological manifestation. Charcoals or pens without lifting the tool from the canvas would be good.

Otherwise there with be a false discretion in the symbols. You want the discretization to be limited until the combustion.

>It's hopefully only the bad air that exists right now which needs to be banished.


You're giving them a cathartic ritual.
It sounds like the social work might be the decisive factor. Is their understanding to maintain distance against remote haters?

>But I can do it in a pit with aromatic wood, it's cool, too.

I was thinking Syrian Rue seeds. Ash doesn't always scatter to the wind, so I would think of a place to specifically dispose of them. It should reflect the closure of the hatred.
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>>22826603
I forgot to indicate your (You)
>>22826629
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>>22826622
Try banishing every day and sitting in meditation for a few months. Six is probably enough. Keep a journal.

Start learning planetary and zodiacal banishing. You'll need it. And start studying the Goetia, and collecting the equipment you'll need. A sword and the proper metal for the sigil are mandatory. The rest can be faked with paper, mostly.

You're going to need space for a triangle and circle. Probably best to paint them on canvas.

It's not hard. It just takes time and effort.
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>>22826629
You don't even know about Ebony.
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>>22826644
I apologize for my offensive ignorance.
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>>22826647
And now you're being facetious.

How do you expect to learn?
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>>22826638
Thanks for the tips, I'll keep at it.
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>>22826650
Wow.

If I can't apologize, nor err, than how can I expect to learn?

That is a good rhetorical question.

I will dig into earlier conversations. Please know that I am interested in any material regarding 'time reversal magic'.
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>>22826629
>Is their understanding to maintain distance against remote haters?
I don't understand this sentence.
Ideally, the two individuals should be able to work together again in our organization in the future. Their conflict is threatening the very foundation of our little society.
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>>22826651
Despite what sigil kiddies pretend >>22826032, you will get results out of magic proportional to the effort you put into the magic. And most of that effort comes in the form of exercise and preparation.
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>>22826596

Just a general daily ritual; something like the LRP.

I've heard that its good practice to include a ritual, a scrying, and a meditation to the daily routine. I'm also interested in fitness as an avenue to mental and spiritual growth/exercise as energy work, so i figured I'd ask if anyone knew of any existing rituals or systems that incorporated body work.>>22826600
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>>22826659
'To make sure that doesn't happen' implies distance with closure, to me.

What is the sure-ness, then?


Why is one person getting a ritual, while the other does not?
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>>22826668
I wasn't clear, what entity or object are you seeking to banish?
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>>22826668
What works for me is being naked-ish with a kettle bell instead of a wand.
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>>22826668
>I'm also interested in fitness as an avenue to mental and spiritual growth/exercise as energy work

It's called Hatha yoga, probably pranayama too.

>>22826680
Heh.
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>>22826672
Because person A hates person B.
But person B understands that they did wrong by person A and want to do better in the future.
Person B is going to apologize to person A and doing something to get back their favor.
And Person A is going to get a Ritual on top of that in order to clear the bad air that they build up by getting obsessed over this situation.
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>>22826676
how would you go about banishing a hoopsnake?
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>>22826692
Middle school?

>>22826696
Visualize it and banish. Instructions are in the Golden Dawn material.
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>>22826595
Crowley seems more interesting than Regardie (On an occasion I read the black brick and I hated it), Agrippa I don't know.

But my gripe with Crowley is that some of his books are really overpriced, is it really worth it?
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>>22826704
>Middle school?
No, and that makes it even more embarrassing.
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>>22826710
Almost everything is available online.

The only book I would suggest buying is Magick in Theory and Practice. Try to find the old Dover paperback.

After that, maybe Magick Without Tears and his autobiography.
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>>22826710
Regardie is good for an intro to the Golden Dawn material, which is worth understanding.

>>22826717
There's a strong possibility that adding magic to this mix might make matters worse.
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>>22826710
>>22826718

And maybe Gems from the Equinox.
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>>22826692
I think person B is lying, but I will refrain from further comment on your social work.


Bury the ash, don't just dump it in the air. You make 'bad air', by throwing ash and soot around.


>>22826696
I have not encountered a hoopsnake during my exercise routine. It sounds like a giant centipede.

Are you the same anon who asked the fitness question?
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>>22826597
I recommend reading Evoking Eternity
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>>22826731
>I think person B is lying
Strange, because I think so, too.
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>>22826725
Here's what could work

>Person B has power over Person A.
>Person B uses his/her power for malice and micheif against Person A
>Person B goes through the motions of apology and etc.

There is a certain imbalance of organizational psychology.
>Person A receives ritual to psychologically strengthen them against Person B.


Equilibrium results.
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>>22826595
Can you tell me some of what you know about magick used to reverse time? What sort of actions does it entail?
>>22825337
Are you saying you also know magick that can be used to reverse time? Or do you know someone/know of someone who does or did once?
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>>22826736
Person B understands that they did wrong, which is superficial. Does Person B understand why they did wrong?

Otherwise, Person B is being deceitful or coy to shift the onus onto Person A.
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>>22826740
I have no faith in you, and if your cockeyed ideas fail you will suffer no consequences.
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>>22826747
Thanks, for your advice, I shall think about it.
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>>22825829
I suggest Works of Darkness by E.A. Koetting
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>>22826748
Thank you for the criticism.
I am not the person doing this ritual, or the organization psychology.

I will suffer no consequence of your power, because I lack your faith. This fact causes me shame.

How can I earn that token from you?
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>>22826746
>Can you tell me some of what you know about magick used to reverse time? What sort of actions does it entail?

I used Enochian, with the help of one of the more powerful sorcerers I've known. It's not just the mechanics. It takes a very strong power source. The successful OP I witnessed used multiple people, an active fault line, and a deep section of the Pacific ocean.
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What does reversing time mean?
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>>22826777
Thanks for the information.

Here's what sounds really reproducible to me:
>I used Enochian
>deep section of the Pacific ocean

You might be able to use those parts in a different context in order to reproduce an effect. I yield to your expertise, however.
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is it possible to achieve nirvanic omniscience and godhood through the occult?
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>>22826779
Usually, not quite what you'd think.

>>22826809
Yes, but it probably depends on exactly what you mean.
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>>22826815
could i theoretically differentiate myself from "something at the whim of the universe" to "something with the universe at it's whim" as in achieving divinity through transcendence
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>>22826849
Can you define these words? What is transcendence?
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>>22826849
>>22826857

What is nirvana?
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>>22826857
realizing that i am all is we are all is i am we is all i am is all
>>22826862
the last step. the deathbed of unenlightenment and the birthplace of universes.
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>>22826676
I was under the impression that banishment rituals like the LBRP were general purpose 'clearing the air' things...
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>>22826870
It sounds like you might be looking for ego death.
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>>22826880
In terms of ceremony or ritual, I had to clarify.
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>>22826880
That's only one use.
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>>22826883
perhaps. the mind is universal flower that is not yet bloomed. i would like to bloom.
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>>22826883
There's no such thing.

I think this LARP is less than helpful.
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>>22826894
You want the we to become I, not the other way around.

>>22826896
The term is observational, so it defies ontological contradiction.
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>>22825461
more like didn't care to do anything about a bunch of trolls and just went to talk about occultism in some of the huge variety of other places to do this exact same thing.
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>>22826905
It's bullshit. And you're just bullshitting.
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>>22826910
I can use the term to refer to a class of observations regarding a subjective phenomenon.

Is it bullshit to classify someone else's bullshit?
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>>22826905
>You want the we to become I, not the other way around.
exactly. We are All, and I am We. therefore I am All and all are I.
almost solipsist in nature, i think.
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>>22826917
You need a new term to classify fuzzy solipsism.

What if parts of reality are there because you observe and believe in them, but other parts are not?

Other people have their own solipsisms which do exactly the same thing.
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>>22826787
smashed that mu'fucking save button
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>>22826815
>not quite what you'd think.

Is the arrow of time really a quiver?
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>>22826916
It's bullshit, plain and simple.
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>>22826777
was that integrated with ebony's tech or totally unrelated ritual technology, just with a shared purpose.
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>>22826929
Reductionism does not answer the original question. It is the logical opposite of transcending.
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>>22826927
Yes
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>>22826941
Where are the bodkins?
>>22826934
I would be appreciative if someone were to show me the information which Ebony provided.
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>>22826923
exactly, what if it was possible to achieve conscious control over reality, if solipsism is to be true and things are real because i unconsciously believe them to be. my question is, is it possible to achieve that level of conscious control?
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>>22826934
It was totally unrelated to Ebony.

The tesseract works as a meditation if you're fully invested in an assumed orthogonal coordinate system. I had studied Synergetics in depth, and every time I tried to work through the tesseract my brain would start screaming, "NO!"

3-D space isn't. It's 4-D, and a cube is inherently unstable.
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>>22826952
It's bullshit.
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>>22826954
>every time I tried to work through the tesseract my brain would start screaming, "NO!"
maybe you were in the right timeline already lol.

i didn't get that, personally. i felt long-predisposed to doing it, like when i was in grade school for example I spent months trying to visualize a tesseract, etc etc. I didnt do the ritual with a lot of 'oomph' (not deliberately, i just didnt have the skill at the time or some critical 'keys' as avery kates put it in her old old thread here), and it still felt like the magical equivalent of putting my hand in a sparking electrical field
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Ok I've reached this point in life where I just gave up on everything. I feel like wanting to kill myself but before doing so I always wanted to verify the existence of the supernatural, the occult. So yes in simpler words I just wanna try my hand at summoning a demon.
Having researched the goetian demons for quite some time, Forneus is the one I feel strongly the most.
What should I look for before attempting to do a ritual? Not just a simple make a sigil and whatever stuff, If I need a bit more time to research and educate myself on the matter I will do so, I just dont know where to begin.
Also no, I don't want a lecture on how I need God's guidance because I don't believe in religion.
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Hey there everybody. I have been studying up on a lot of occult material within the past year, but have been reading primarily Crowley, so I'm not really sure where I should start beyond the LBPR in terms of practicality, because there's a lot.

What would you recommend to a novice? What types of things did you first have success with after moving out of the basic rituals, like the LBPR?
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>>22826981
https://demonsanddemonolatry.com/demon-of-the-day-marquis-forneus-day-demon/
Everything you need to know about him, although the sigil and enn are enough.
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>>22826981
>don't believe in religion
>believes in demons
No disrespect but this confuses me. I think you would have more success with Raja Yoga, but if you aren't open to that sort of thing you might not get much out of it.
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>>22826979
The power and potential was there, I just don't think it was for me.

Part of it might have been the distance between Ebony and I, too.

>>22826981
>What should I look for before attempting to do a ritual?

Experience in ritual magic, practice evoking and banishing. Meditation will help. Get to work.

>>22826985
How much of Liber O have you tried?
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>>22827008
Not much at all.

See, what prevented me was the supposed requirement of mastery in "asana, pranayama, and dharana" that I feel like perhaps many people who are practicing Liber O do not have themselves... but maybe that is just a dumb assumption on my part and I was right to wait.
Did you master everything before you attempted this stuff?
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>>22826952
It's a question of whether you can manifest the signs that lead you to the objects of desire, rather than manifesting the objects of desire.


Here's the thought experiment to please consider.


Imagine a dual-slit experiment behind a barrier, and a signal LED outside the automated gate. The signal LED shows the type of diffraction pattern, entangled or not as: green or red. The photon emitter is connected to a passive magnetic sensor. The magnetic sensor is presumed to be perfect, and is tuned to activate in response to a state of belief in the state of the signal LED. When the conscious person walks into the experiment room, the magnetic sensor will read whether they believe the photon detector in the dual-slit is on or off, and set it accordingly. The LED will signal the conscious person's belief as a result of the belief.


In this contrived way, a person would affect the outcome of a random event with their belief. Abstract the parts in the thought experiment to understand where the level of conscious control is still 'real'.
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>>22827050
thank you, anon. you have the answers i needed.
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>>22826934
Who is this Ebony you're talking about?
>>22826777
How did you witness this? Are/were you part of an organization that does experiments in magick? What happened in the operation you witnessed?
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>>22827060
Your welcome, but you should still be more interested in what others have to say.

>>22827008
Outside of visualizing a tesseract, what other requirements compose the ritual?


Does one need to visualize a specific tesseract?
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>>22826779
If you mean literally like how I'm talking about it, I mean for the direction of the flow of time to turn around. Make all the matter and energy in space go back to a previous state before resuming their usual path.
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>>22827035
>Did you master everything before you attempted this stuff?

Nope. No one does.

But you can start practicing. Asana and dharana are no different than zazen, and anyone can do that.

Pranayama is a bit more difficult. A general program might be breathe in through your left nostril, hold, out through your right. Then breathe in through your right, hold, and out through your left nostril. Repeat, for maybe 5 min or less at first.

I prefer breathing in a ratio of 1:4:2. If I breathe in for a count of 4, I hold for 16, and exhale for 8 beats. Pick a count that is relatively easy for you and slowly increase count and exercise length over time.

If a session gets difficult, and you're forcing it, STOP. There's always tomorrow.
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>>22826777
Was the active fault line in the pacific ocean? Or was that deep section of the ocean used for something other than a fault line?
And what of the power source? Were you using seismic activity as your power source or did you have a separate source of power to draw on?
And are you still in contact with any of those sorcerers?
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>>22827082
>How did you witness this? Are/were you part of an organization that does experiments in magick?

Yeah, sort of.

>What happened in the operation you witnessed?

There wasn't much to see. The results came much later.
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>>22826815
What does achieving godhood mean to you?
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>>22827106
>And are you still in contact with any of those sorcerers?

No, not for some years.

The Eastern Pacific rim is a deep, swirling, chaotic abyss, and a fault line accumulates a lot of mechanical tension.
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>>22827108
Can you tell me more? I want to know what the design of the operation was, and the steps you took.
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>>22827122
So that means yes, the fault line was the thing you were using as the power source?
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>>22827116
I am not the one seeking information. It doesn't matter what I think. The question is what exactly you want.
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>>22826985
Liber Resh gave me great results, maybe even more so than LBRP did. Like the other anon said, take a look at Liber O. I would also recommend trying to incorporate some of the practices from Liber E.
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>>22827133
In the sense that you get power from the wall socket, not the power plant.
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>>22827125
It involved opening one of the highest aethyrs, the 6th, I think, across the abyss. The details wouldn't make much sense.
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>>22827140
>I would also recommend trying to incorporate some of the practices from Liber E.

Liber E isn't the best way to learn the basics of yoga, though. It's frankly counterproductive.
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>>22827103

Perfect advice, thank you. Are you into Thelema or are you on your own path? I was thinking about reaching out to my local temple but they were unresponsive to my emails and I'm not even sure it's operational anymore.
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>>22827166
>The details wouldn't make much sense.
Then, let us make sense of them for you.
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>>22827108
What were the results? By how much was time reversed? Did you change anything in the past? What made it so the results didn't come until after the operation was carried out?
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Thanks for the replies anons
>>22826986
I see, I had seen that page and others before but what about the actual summoning? What would I need or does it depend on me? When I search for things related to the summoning I get stuff related to SMT, ironically enough.

>>22826994
Honestly what I wanted to say was mainly that I don't believe in Christianity whatsoever. Everytime I look up anything regarding the occult on any site, there's always some paranoid christian telling people not to do things.
Also I could be open to it although I'm not very sure If I could manage since I can't find a place where I can feel at peace

>>22827008
For evoking and banishing I saw that it's mostly the pentagram banishing. I need to memorize that well enough?
Ritual magic doesn't give me much results when I try to see info.
Regardless, if there's also a book that could help me out (and that has helped anons too) I would like to know. I learn better when using books although I'm honestly which are honest and legit and which are just bullshit.
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>>22827202
Get a copy of the Goetia
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>>22827122
>The Eastern Pacific rim is a deep, swirling, chaotic abyss, and a fault line accumulates a lot of mechanical tension.
this is a really cool idea thnx for sharing
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>>22827176
>Are you into Thelema or are you on your own path?

Both, you might say. I was OTO, long since gone inactive. Same with A∴A∴. I don't consider myself to be a Thelemite, but I have been so far unable to escape Thelema.

>I was thinking about reaching out to my local temple but they were unresponsive to my emails and I'm not even sure it's operational anymore.

Possibly. So much of the Caliphate is toxic, though, it might be just as well. Most of what is still useful is freely available. And refugees like me can hopefully fill in some of the gaps.
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>>22827191
i dont think he's saying they didn't make sense to him lol, just that they wouldnt make sense to us out of context. I wouldn't mind giving sense-making a shot anyway, though.

>>22827229
>I have been so far unable to escape Thelema.
a famous astrological magician said that i was more critical of aleister crowley than any thelemite he'd ever met and i was kind of in my head like 'you should meet my internet friends' but was also honored
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>>22827235
I try to take responsibility for times when I am hard to understand and I expect others to do the same.
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>>22827251
It’s not that he’s “hard to understand” dude it’s that communicating about magic is by its nature extremely difficult, sometimes fruitless, and at time has actively unhelpful side effects
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>>22827256
Only the difficulty relates to how much sense is made. I try not to claim any difficulty unless I can admit that I can use help.
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>>22822479
>Astral Dynamics
To me it seems like way too structured of a way to get started visualizing things. I would recommend meditation.
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>>22827256
To be fair, it looks like one anon is soliciting without contributing to the discussion. I am bitter that my question about the tesseract has gone unanswered.

The reason I'm bitter with hypocrisy about one-liner inquiry is: that I think it would be more effective to use geometrodynamics instead of synergetics. Fuller is wrong, a lot.


Sorry for being difficult.
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>The Magical Images of the Gods of Egypt should be made thoroughly familiar. This can be done by studying them in any public museum, or in such books as may be accessible to the student.

Does anyone know of particularly good books?
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>>22827199
>Did you change anything in the past?

Yes, so far as I know. It took a long time.

>>22827202
It's a lot more than just pentagrams, though you should practice the Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram daily for a while. After a while, you should start setting up your temple - by banishing - and evoking a single element, things like that.

Look at Liber O. Then look at the Goetic demons in Crowley's 777. Each one is associated with a planet and a zodiacal sign, and an hour of night or day. Liber O tells you how to evoke and banish these.

>>22827224
It explains a lot of the California occult scene.
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>>22827229
See, that's what draws me to Crowley's system. A lot of of it seems very useful- and purposefully divisive. I don't know. The guy was an asshole, but he was brilliant.

I just told the A∴A∴ I obtained the required materials for study after a few months of non-reply on my end. Would you be willing to stay in touch with me?
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>>22825238
> still depressed.
Overcoming it. I'd like to be more active. This just isn't the right place for it, and the more I take a step back, the more I am convinced that trying to drill sense into people who are functionally illiterate (which by the way is my new favorite thing to mention) is a waste of time.
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>>22827235
>a famous astrological magician said that i was more critical of aleister crowley than any thelemite he'd ever met

Exactly! We have to be. By questioning everything thing, and updating what's no longer operable, I hope to be what Crowley hoped to create.

>>22827301
Budge has pretty pictures.
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>>22827347
>I hope to be what Crowley hoped to create.
Wouldn't it be better to be what we're meant to be, in the large picture?
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>>22827330
Sure. That's what we hope to do through osoaa.org. It's a start, if you're willing.
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>>22824265
Yes. Proper preparation is vital for interfacing with the acausal. Fasting, working yourself to exhaustion, chanting, etc.
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>>22827354
What's the difference? Every man and every woman is a star.
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>>22826591
You're a kshatriya. This is a fundamentally different calling. You'd be better served following a religion like Sanatana Dharma, Orthodoxy, or Asatru.
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>>22827363
Yep. I honestly don't think that we need a reading list, if I'm honest. At the end of the day, either people find their paths, or they don't.

Illiteracy shouldn't be something we try to help people with, that's for schools and themselves to deal with.
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>>22827363
>osoaa.org
registering right now. might hop out of this thread
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>>22827383
The reading list is so we can communicate more clearly. It helps us build a common symbol set.
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>>22827387
Let me know if there's any issues; I know some members had problems registering, and I'm not 100% sure I solved them.

>>22827394
Which while a fair point, can be easily reduced to a handful of books.

7, 65, 220, Book of Thoth, and 333.

That covers the practical side in almost every way, and those are all I would recommend to start with, personally.

Expanding from there out is pretty easy, because among themselves, they give plenty of reference points, and if you have 777 handy, you can decode pretty much everything.
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>>22827375
Lmfao
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>>22827318
I wonder if you had the same experience I did, that some of the effects you made on the past gradually faded. I wonder if that was a result of the aforementioned lack of oomph
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>>22827408
418

Plus some Eastern stuff. Zhuangzi, Laozi, the Yijing, Linji perhaps, maybe selected readings from other texts.

Then there's South Asia. Patanjali plus.

>>22827449
The consequences seem to be permanent. The echoes are fading, though.
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>>22827491
Sure, although personally, I can't say I had the mental capacity or want to study eastern material.

I know I should at some point, but it doesn't 'feel' useful in any way.
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I really tried. Am still trying, to be honest. Exercising, eating well, sleeping well, socializing; even became a christian again, letting compassion guide me for months; acting forgiving, kind. Cofronted a lot of my fears.

I'm bored, this whole thing is a drag. I'm bored, I'm tired, I'm angry, I'm waving at the seams. Compassion made me into a punching bag, Tolerance took a tool on my mind, christianity made me into something between a servant and a slave. All this spiritual fatique for people that, to be honest, don't deserve the effort.

Just show me the way /x/; not some feel good bullshit, but something really concrete. Something I can apply, something that improves me, something that ends this starvation.

Sice my childhood I've always searched for something bigger than the swamp of mundane life, but barring the time during my childhood where I saw a big green snake floating above my bed, nothing ever happened.

Just help me, please. Fuck, feels like I'm at the end of my rope.
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>>22827582
Practice feeling happy.

Not even kidding. If you can't, stabilize your daily life first.

Doing what feels good is step one, so your brain has those sweet sweet inner dolphins that fuel positive action.
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>>22827582
Do whatever folks suggest but also just wait. The astrological weather is fucking GRIM right now
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>>22827600
You're kidding, right? I'm having the time of my life now, astrologically and otherwise!
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>>22827552
>I can't say I had the mental capacity or want to study eastern material.
>I know I should at some point, but it doesn't 'feel' useful in any way.
Embarrassing.
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>>22827610
To you, perhaps. In practice, I don't think I'm any worse for it.
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>>22827617
How would you know, if you don't have the mental capacity nor the desire to even look into the stuff to begin with?
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>>22827582
Your problem is that you are setting goals to correspond with others' expectations of yourself. You don't feel satisfied because you are not actualizing your own expectation. You're mistakenly trying to satisfy other people.

You're doing this because you want friends. You earn friends by sharing accomplishment, not begrudging labor onto your own shoulders.


Accomplish your own thing, and then help others who are trying towards the same goal.
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>>22827617
Yeah, it's not embarassment if you disclose it as disinterest. Embarassment comes when you don't acknowledge failure.
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>>22827632
Apologies for not living up to unreasonable standards.

Feel free to show yourself to the door.
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>>22825694
I think Regardie mentioned that it’s discussed in garden of pomegranates
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>>22827638
So woke my dude
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>>22827654
in the new publication it contains guided pathwork written by the Ciceros. though they are useful for the beginner they are not very complete ideas.
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>>22827653
The thing about Han ideograms is that the symbols lose meaning when they are printed instead of handwritten.

You're right to assume that a printed text isn't very useful.
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>>22827653
Nah I think I'll stay and continue to watch you embarrass yourself, as you have for years.
>unreasonable standards
The shit's literally in your curriculum.
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>>22827677
Yikes.

I liked Tabby better when she was stripping.

>>22827679
Dumbest fucking thing you've said today. And that's saying something.

>>22827693
Go shit somewhere else.
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>>22827679
Literally check your head. It's not a matter of print. It's a matter of having sufficient headspace to properly address the material.

Which I have a very limited amount of.

>>22827693
And? Just because it's on a list, doesn't make the ask unreasonable.

It's out of scope for my own uses, and I've no responsibility to anyone but myself and any students I might accept.

And even for the latter, I don't think I'd be any good even were I to spend a decade studying the material, as it's outside my own culture.
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>>22827605
I’m glad to hear that but objectively the weather is malefic. I’m actually doing fairly well myself so far, knock on wood.
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>>22827592
what if I suffer from severe anhedonia?
I'm an alcoholic and a drug addict
it's been months since I've done either, but I still can't enjoy anything sober
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>>22827741
>I don't think I'd be any good even were I to spend a decade studying the material, as it's outside my own culture.
you've already spent a considerable amount of time on other stuff and still aren't any good, so it doesn't really matter in the end what shit you read.
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>>22827756
It’s like, so bad that it’s almost funny. The sky omens essentially couldn’t be worse. Every significator of astrological “evil” are simultaneously opposing each other. All the love and light people on “spiritual twitter” are absolutely melting down it’s something of a delight to watch
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>>22827774
Not melting down due to the signs that is, most of them can’t read them, but melting down because the climate is so contra-indicated to their mindset. They’re all at each other’s throats like hyenas
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>>22827741
>And? Just because it's on a list, doesn't make the ask unreasonable.
It's less than a month worth of reading.
>It's out of scope for my own uses
You wouldn't know because you haven't even scratched the surface, so this is just an assumption based on your feels.
>it's outside my own culture.
Then become an orthodox priest or monk. Or go clean toilets in England.
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>>22827789
>Then become an orthodox priest or monk. Or go clean toilets in England.

He has a valid point. I don't know of good translations of Chinese classics in Polish or Greek. The Laozi is pretty dense, even more so when you're reading a translation in a foreign language.

In truth, you really do need to approach the original texts, if you want a firm grasp of what they're saying. And that means studying their language and cultural context.

I still think he should read them, anyway. But it's not completely irrational not to.
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>>22827741
You shouldn't ask somebody else to 'check your head' while admitting you lack 'headspace'. Check your head on that hypocrisy. You have to use handwriting analysis to read out proper nouns from a categorical definition, or tease a pronunciation.
You don't get context from a translation until the historiography is done. It isn't, in that subfield.

>>22827724
I don't think you know how to use or do anything with that type of material.
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>>22827831
>I don't know of good translations of Chinese classics in Polish or Greek

Why would you need this?
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>>22827839
These conversations are going over your head, as they should.
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>>22827876
I can point out where you will obtain a large set of translation errors, but I was being polite.
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>>22827885
No, you really can't.
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>>22827921
There are two major anachronisms: modern Chinese and 'Polish'.

Given those two ontological flaws, why can you assert that I will find no errors?
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>>22827927
I guess your head really is this far up your ass. Who knew?
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>>22827934
You made the 'ass'-sertion out of your own argument.

I'm still interested to know why.
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Everytime this nigger Tobias comes into these threads, all he does is waste everybody's time and bump it a million times. Just stop, dude.
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>>22827993
You realize that you're being rude to me, because you can issue the same complaint to any reply I make.
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>>22828015
>because you can issue the same complaint to any reply I make.
Did you just admit that every single one of your posts is shit? Thanks for realizing it yourself.
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>>22825821
Some variations show those pathways crossing through daath. I imagine they’re usually left out for the same reason that daath is.
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>>22828088
You should know that I was using the present tense, not the past tense.
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>>22828117
>>22828088
>>22827955
>>22827765

Please talk about magic or leave
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>>22825694
JMG's Paths of Wisdom
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>>22828182
Gatekeeping intensifies
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>>22828182
eat shit faggot
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>>22828182
In one of those messages you excerpted, I tried to change the subject back to magic.

When you overlook the posts which solely consist of insults and profanity, to focus on me and another user seeking magical aid: that is a double standard, no?
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>>22828210
>gatekeeping
For the love of god just go through gate, the only thing “keeping” it is your own lazy ass
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>>22828265
I'm more of a back-door kinda guy
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>>22823084
Ready vs. Not Ready, or your prayers are too selfish. Try praying for others and see how it turns out.
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>>22824687
Muscle ammo. Guns for the Gun Show.
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>>22828296
I think it’s more.
>Every single prayer is answered perfectly.

The vast majority of people, including myself, don’t know how to word it correctly.
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>>22826638
That is if you're going the Solomonic route with binding and threatening rather than offerings and working relationships.
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>>22827756
It's rather ironic that this is precisely the best circumstance for me to thrive.

>>22827765
I've anhedonia too. What started getting me out of it was conventional therapy. Well, it more like removed the numbness of it. Then I started feeling worse for a while, but I was happy, because I was actually feeling.

A breath of fresh air. And then I started having more and more energy each day, and just worked my way up to a situation where I have a few small things I genuinely enjoy.

Video games being one of them -- getting paid being another, and then there's the weirdness of helping others... but that's a discussion for a private place. Or more private than this, at least.

>>22827789
Eat a dick.

>>22827836
>You shouldn't ask somebody else to 'check your head' while admitting you lack 'headspace'.
Sorry, let me put it in terms a child can understand, since that's clearly the reading level you have.
I have better things to do than sit my ass down and study foreign philosophy. Such as focusing on my business, getting my affairs in order, preparing for travel, and dealing with bureaucracy.

Something which doesn't appear to be a concern to most self-proclaimed magicians, yet is incredibly critical to leading a good and balanced life.

>>22827993
Oh man. I hate when tards waste my time.
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>>22828357
If you choose to serve a demon, that was your choice.
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>>22826638
Which do you think is better: a sigil of the correct metal purchased online or a hand-drawn one on quality parchment with the metal nearby?
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>>22828379
>serve
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>>22828382
What you construct yourself is preferable, but you really shouldn't skimp, here. It's best to acquire the metal and make it yourself.
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>>22828367
>I have better things to do
Complaining about people on the internet.
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>>22828382
How permanent do you want the effects to be? Compare the longevity of the material paper versus metal. even wood is a better middle ground
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>>22828434
You're missing the point.
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>>22828367
>I have better things to do than sit my ass down and study foreign philosophy.
99% of the philosophy of thelema is foreign to poland.
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>>22828460
You'd be surprised.
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>>22828468
What is there prior to John Dee?
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>>22828468
Go on.
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What was "Hadit(h)" a mistranslation of?
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>>22828448
Oh quite right I am. Sorry. Missed the bit where the metal one would be purchased. Still, though, the thing I mentioned remains. Something is to be said for doing the work yourself but if the person doing it for you is better than you at magic, for example, it will only help to make it out of the appropriate metal.
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>>22828501
I'm not sure if you're making a joke in Arabic, or a joke about Arabs.
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>>22828513
Neither, dumbass.
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>>22828501
Behutet. It's a toponym of Ra.

>>22828508
If you don't have the magical capacity, how will you be able to command and control a demon king?
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>>22828517
Are you actually asking for a derivation?
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>>22828521
Ah I see, I see. Was this "mistranslation" due to the then-current state of knowledge of hieroglyphics, or the ignorance of Crowley himself?
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>>22828488
Christianity of various denominations. Slavic paganism of various flavors. Lots of cross-pollination from the east, west, north and south.

But that's not as exotic as eastern stuff, is it?
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>>22828521
>Behutet. It's a toponym of Ra.
No.
But, I could read your source.

You're adding a syllable at the start, and removing an aspiration mark in a language family where aspiration is strong. Couldn't be that interpretation.
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>>22828534
What you've mentioned amounts to about 2% of Thelema, if even that.
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>>22828533
He paid someone to translate it. It was their mistake. For me, it's an object lesson about religion. It won't necessarily lead to truth. And you can get some people to believe anything.
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>>22828534
I was looking for something more directly related to monas heiroglyphica. It looks like it could be a hussar referent, or some kind of signifier of centaur worship in Slavic folklore.

I don't like the exotic when it comes to semiotics.
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>>22828545
Thelema owes more to puritanism than any other faith.
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>>22828545
Uh... you do realize that Thelema is not just an umbrella term for 'all religious/ philosophical/ magic thought ever', right?

And if you don't, then I highly recommend actually sitting down and reading a bit more.
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>>22828521
>>22828533
And furthermore, doesn't Behutet carry different implications from Had(it[h])? Where did Crowley get his 'definitions' or conceptions of Had? I'm guessing it's not a case of
>he simply mistranslated a godname, but everything else is just hunky dory!
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>>22828553
>something more directly related to monas heiroglyphica
Literally who in the world cares about a mystical doodle from a british spy?

It's hardly relevant to Thelema, in any form.
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>>22828564
It could have been continental in Rosicrucianism before Dee. There's a point in chronology where you could argue that Polish people did something before the English person.
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>>22828577
>implying chronology matters
You're new around these parts, aren't you?
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>>22828561
Behutet is a toponym. It's Ra of a certain town/temple in Egypt. There is no Had, or Hadit. No such Egyptian deity.

I have seen Thelemites claim that it means Hadad, the semitic deity, and then try and connect that to Jehovah. But that shit don't fly, either.

>>22828564
Careful. You're being bated by a troll.
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>>22828590
I have acquired quite a reputation.
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>>22828605
>You're being bated by a troll.
I thought I was the one baiting?
But I guess both ways work. I'm enjoying this.
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>>22828521
>how will you command
Oh. I utterly missed the bit where this was related to the goetia
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>>22828607
So has this guy... is that you?

1/2
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>>22828608
>’bating both ways
This is why people call this thread a circle jerk
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>>22828617
2/2
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>>22828608
>doesnt enjoy most things because hes depressed
>enjoys poor countertrolling
yikes
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>>22828619
I stopped giving shits about these threads years ago, way back when we had dealt with Team Illuminati.

>>22828622
Hey man, just let me enjoy arguing stupid points on the internet.
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>>22828608
Monas is fairly important.

>>22828613
Yeah. For most things, a paper seal should be okay. But Goets are rambunctious.
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>>22828605
> No such Egyptian deity.
Undersampling.

>Thelemites claim that it means Hadad, the semitic deity

That's closer because the pronunciation of a semitic 'd' is mostly lip closure.

>connect that to Jehovah
Jah-Hadith is passable.
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>>22828559
>>22828564
Are you retarded, or just really bad at trolling? Whatever the answer is, it's not good.
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>>22828617
>>22828620

Good God almighty…
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>>22828617
I am neither speaker in your image.
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>>22828629
>Monas is fairly important.
https://z.lvxnox.com/z/magick/temp/262

Silly note from... mid 2013.

Yeah. Fairly important.

>>22828637
I got two (You)'s out of you. It's clearly working!
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>>22828627
Kindly stop posting then so the big kids can talk
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>>22828605
Yes I understand what a toponym is...I'm just wondering how the (now) dogmatic definition of "Had(it[h])" came about...for instance, in Liber AL (presumably a forgery-or at least majorly misrepresented- I know) or that concept presented in Liber HAD?
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Any advice from anons on invoking Belial for some baneful magic?
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>>22828652
>I got two (You)'s out of you. It's clearly working!
>he thinks the number of (you)s is more important than the quality of the (you)s
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>>22828659
That's what philosophy is, right? The creation of new ideas.
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>>22828662
Yeah. Grow a pair and do your own dirty work.
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>>22828658
Nah. Eat lead.

>>22828668
Meh. I honestly couldn't care less about quality. If I wanted that, I'd be trolling anti-vaxxers.
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>>22828688
I could swear Ape or someone posted something supposedly by Crowley or one of his immediate subordinates about summoning Belial as part of a greater working... I swore I saved it in my A.'.A.'. folder, but I cannot find it for the life of me. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? or am I imagining things? I could have sworn I saved it near the pieces "On Succubi and Servitors" or whatever they were called.
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>>22828695
If you were working instead of this, you wouldn’t be broke and miserable
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>>22828708
If you knew anything about anything, you'd know that's not how things work.
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>>22828708
He's not broke, just miserable. Dude barely has to work to make ends meet and instead of using that extra time to enjoy life:
>>22828367
>I have better things to do than sit my ass down and study foreign philosophy. Such as focusing on my business, getting my affairs in order, preparing for travel, and dealing with bureaucracy.
Notice how he doesn't mention "spending time with my wife" in there.
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>>22828704
I wanna say it was something from his unpublished journals...or maybe from those of Saturnus or Achad; perhaps someone else whose memory escapes me... I think it was A.'.A.'. related, though my memory tells me I saved it alongside O.T.O. publications.
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>>22828708
>If you were working instead of this, you wouldn’t be broke and miserable
id be miserable too if i were polish
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>>22828704
I have no memory of such a thing, for little that's worth.
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>>22828737
Probably you wouldn't be. They now set their shit up better than most of the Europe has it and quite some of US.
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>>22828718
>Dude barely has to work to make ends meet
I'd love that to be the case, but no. With the depressive episodes, and the ton of bullshit I cause myself, it's not quite that fun.

But, I did move to lower-paid stability, at least until I get my head in order. More or less part-time, but 12h/day on call, so it's quite a bit more than usual.

>Notice how he doesn't mention "spending time with my wife" in there.
Well, I literally live with her. We spend 99% of our time within 15 meters of each-other. Seems redundant to mention it at all.

>>22828737
This is absolutely true. In many ways, I do feel heavily betrayed by the government here. Particularly the lack of actual reform -- despite the promises, old commies are still selling our country out to the west.

And, another 1k stormtroopers are being sent here for 'additional protection' and training. Not sure if I'm happy about that, but it's sure as fuck better than it being Russians.
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>>22828668
gotchu, I'm not as experienced in the nasty nasty shit though and this is a nasty one.

Belial was one of the entities invoked in my Satanic initiation so I feel some connection there however faint. In addition based on my research about him, I think he would understand my POV on this ish
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>>22828748
You say that, but we're dealing with our own issues. Different issues, sure, but more impactful in the long term.

For instance, recently our government literally gave access to classified files, including names and personal information on past intelligence operatives (before '89).

That's a MASSIVELY stupid fucking move, and I'll be damn surprised if people from those files don't end up dropping dead one after another.

It's a huge breach of trust, and from here on, we can't even remotely count on getting any allies/ informants/ contractors abroad, because guess what... nobody is stupid enough to work with a government that sells its own people out.
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>>22828753
God I hate summer.
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>>22828762
>nobody is stupid enough to work with a government that sells its own people out.

Valerie Plame Affair.

I'm sorry that your political situation in Poland is not commendable.
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>>22828767
I hate it being 31°C in my apartment.

>>22828775
>Valerie Plame Affair.
Journo. I'm talking about the Institute of National Memory here. Government people.

Like... that's literally high treason territory here.
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>>22828767
lol fuck u too go watch someone play fortnite
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>>22828780
No, it was an overseas operative. See the Scooter Libby case.

It was retribution for release of the information regarding illegal extradition 'blacksites' in Poland. That sets a bad precedent for the chain of command in NATO.

They used dark magic at the sites. Mostly exotic species and liminal spaces for confinement.
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>>22828780
>I hate it being 31°C in my apartment

Jesus. We're having the opposite, sort of. It was 8°C last night.
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>>22828802
I envy you. I live on the top floor, and have shingles literally 5 feet away from my face, through the wall. 8° is much more acceptable to me.
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>>22828834
You have my sympathy. I don't take heat very well.
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How do I use magic to stop existing
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>>22829323
Cum on a sigil and then immediately shoot yourself afterwards.
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>>22829323
Alchemy may be the answer you seek
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>>22829323
You ascend to immortality, becoming purely selfless in bijection. Then you will have used magic to stop existing as I.
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Can I summon an angel to take me directly into heaven?
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>>22829686
You don't make yourself worthy by panhandling.
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>>22827782
How would one go about learning this? I’ve had an urge recently to learn about astrology
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>>22828399
Have you ever made a sigil out of metal? Sounds tough.
>>22828434
Wood sounds like a good idea. I could manage that
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>>22830116
Never needed to. Angels could meet my needs.
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>>22830132
How can I become the person to meet theirs?
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>>22830132
Fait enough
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>>22826600
Your body is your temple, it's a saying for a reason.
If you want to grow stronger spiritually and magically, the best place to start is to strengthen yourself physically.
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Idea: Wiccan holy water. Made by putting three heaps of salt into a bowl of water and stirring it with the athame while reciting the Charge of the Goddess either three times or nine times, I haven't decided yet...
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>>22825864
do cardio, don't watch porn or masturbate, don't smoke



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