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/omg/ - Occult and Magick General

Thelema Edition
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I'm not the only Wiccan here, am I? :s
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How to become a cenobite?
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Should I read this
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>>22678294
hi, i'm the anon from the last thread about the books, i've been reading them (i'm looking foward to buy those books in physical form) obviusly i'm not a wiccan but i'm getting really interested in that
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Is it possible to be friends with Goetic demons? I don’t even want anything, and I don’t want to command them
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>>22677866
The space on my forehead tingles sometimes; is it possible to unwittingly begin to sense the third eye? I just do basic focus meditation techniques, nothing advanced, so I don’t know how I would have caused it
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>>22678326
>befriending car salesmen
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>>22678409
You may want to start wearing a headband in case it opens while you're out in public.
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How much cum did Crowley consume?
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>>22677866
>Thelema Edition
Best way to prepare shit cookies?
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>>22678778
A lot and for energy
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What are your thoughts on chaos magick?
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>>22678294
http://www.daughtersofshiningharmony.com/introductory/

come home, fair maiden
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>>22678602
I don’t understand
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>>22678308
Baby steps.

>>22678326
Not really, no. You can be their bitch and pretend.

>>22678630
*snort*

>>22678778
Why do you need to know?

>>22678785
Ask your mom, if she's still around.

>>22678947
Baby steps.

>>22679185
Pretty simple. They want something, and it's not in your best interest.
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>>22679652
I assume you can tell us what that something is.
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>>22679657
Are you really this fucking stupid or just pretending?
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>>22677866
OSOAA forum is being set up. Waiting for the hosting dude to fix things, because technical issues.

DMCA'd a guy who put my XXV analysis on scribd. Fuck scribd.

What's new dudes?
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>>22678308
Don't listen to
>>22679652
Liber Null is a beginner book, not a terrible place to start, just keep in mind it is from a chaos magic point of view. It teaches you tools you can use(most important being meditation). It's better than shitty books that have to practicality and are all theory and have no practicality that get recommended to beginners(kyballion)
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>>22680455
no practicallity*
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>>22680256
Fuck off.
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>>22680571
Just to be clear. The material is to be distributed FREELY, and not on platforms which charge you for reading it.

Want to share the work? Go ahead, as long as it's free to access, with nothing asked in return -- no email sign-ups, no names, no pop-ups, no fees or subscriptions.
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>>22680578
So what is the XXV analysis about?
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>>22680455
It's more likely to cripple him for the rest of his career. Piss off.
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>>22680599
https://lvxnox.com/liber-%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%BD-vel-rubinus-lapis-an-analysis-of-the-star-ruby/
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>>22680578
Can I getta link
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>>22680714
>>22680663
Nvm
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Anyone know what happened to the TOSTK mega? Went in there this morning to look something up and the link is dead. I never backed up everything and I hadn't used it in months, but didn't know it was dead.
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>>22680256
Am I gonna have to set up a new account?
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>>22678299
Join a monastic community. It's pretty simple actually. Just find one, go there, talk to the guy in charge, tell him what's up. Usually they accept new members for a trial period, and if you want to stay longer and they want you to stay, then you stay.
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Did the anon who was gonna re-upload Ape's library to multiple Mega accounts ever post a link?
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>>22677866
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>>22681341
i think he posted one
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The history lection implies VVVVV=Aiwass, am I reading this right?
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>>22681459
Idk but fun thought: Vav is 6 in gematria, five V's making five sixes. VVVVV is a name where 5=6.
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>>22681459
Nope.
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*bamp*
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>>22681458

I've search the archive and don't see one, but maybe it was in a thread with an improperly titled OP.
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What step do some of you take in your practice of occultism? Please add some prayers.
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>>22677866
Is magic real?
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>>22678409
>>22678409

If youre meditating, then yes. There doesnt have to be a conscious effort to open it. With all chakras, Itll open up some naturally from the self awareness and work that meditation gives you. That doesnt mean youre a lvl 100 wizard, it just means its getting some stimulation. There could be energy centers with blocks/walls like coagulated energy and atrophy that would take more conscious effort to clear, but in the case that there isnt, then meditating coud/would defiently do that.
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I'm so glad Ape killed himself.
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In John St. John Crowley says he uses the pentagram ritual on various chakras. He didn't give much detail to the process, but I tried four pentagrams with the standard LRP godnames around an axis on each chakra centre.

I'm not sure if it did anything more for me than the standard LRP, but I think next I'll try to combine the middle pillar with this method. Vibrate the pillar names, then do pentagrams around each sephira.

Anyone have thoughts, or tried anything similar?
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Does poor eyesight affect scrying? I have vision problems and wouldn't be able to see through a medium if it's too far. Even like pic related would give me trouble, especially with a fairly large circle.
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>>22682871
>walk into tinder date's house
>see this

:O
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>>22682447
Yea, but it’s not what you think. What we call magic is just science that isn’t totally understood. A lot of rituals and things just work, but we don’t exactly know why. It’s a big experimental process and we only have some basic concepts ironed out
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>>22682447
No. Meditation probably has a positive benefit on health but there's nothing magical about that.
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Does lucid dreaming have any magical significance or utility? What is it exactly?
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>>22682644
Based
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>>22682992
It can lead to "dreaming" and astral projection. As well as helping you remember prophetic or revelatory dreams. But in itself, lucid dreaming is mundane.

>>22682447
Nothing is real.
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>>22677866
https://discord.gg/nu9kMB4
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>>22682481
How would I know which it is?
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>>22681016
Yep, sadly everything's gone.
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>>22683211
I mean is that really a strength, though?
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>>22683633
Almost never
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>>22680256
>original work, do not steal
>den of piracy, the thread
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I'm an absolute newfag, how do I know I'm doing vibration properly?
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>>22684132
I made it clear that it's to be distributed gratis, instead of being sold to third parties for their subscription services.

What do you not understand about that?

I literally don't give a fuck what you do with it, as long as no money/ profit is being made off of it.
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Whatever actually happened to AoT?
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>>22684132
>giving a shit about piracy
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What is the purpose of the Star Ruby compared to the LBRP?
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>>22684654
See the analysis and make your own mind up.
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>>22682947
>What we call magic is just science that isn’t totally understood.

Maybe what you do, perhaps. The rest of us practice magic.

>>22682992
Lucid dreaming, astral projection, and skrying are all just aspects of the same phenomenon.

>>22684143
Find someone who practices is probably best.

>>22684654
Depends very strongly wch version you use. One's for thelemites, one for Babes of the Abyss
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>>22684143
I personally find it's working best when it's physically tiring to do. If I start to break a little bit of a sweat by the end of the LBRP, it's a good sign.
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>>22684914
Can you make things go away?
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>>22678326
Have you researched this or just come to x for an answer?
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>>22678947
Interesting theory, some fundamental concepts, bad practice to commit to long-term.
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>>22684781
the rest of us?
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>>22682445
Read everything you can get your hands on. Meditate daily at minimum. Listen and reflect before you speak. Nothing is as it initially seems, so be slow in your judgement. As above, so below.
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>>22682871
Odd to see the triangle flat on the floor like that...
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>>22679695
Sarcasm anon.
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>>22685043
Yes. The people practicing proto-science are a weird little subset.

>>22685072
Having observed you for too long, you're either insane or dumb as a fucking toad
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>>22678778
lots like most masons

>>22684143
push the dreidel dildo further into your ass
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>>22685226
Hey, loser! I heard Hitler shot himself like a scared little bitch. You should probably follow your leader's example and make the world a smarter place.
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>>22685232
Why do Nazis all have these creepy anal fantasies?
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>>22685120
Let's go with insane as I hate non tailed amphibians.
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>>22682644
Where is the proof?
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>>22685266
Latent is the operative word.
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>>22685266
Because the root of Nazism is defective potty training.
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>>22685269
Wishful thinking. He hates anything that breathes with its mouth closed.
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>>22685261
you "heard" a public grade school education and now still think the same way you did then
>smart
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Guys, why isn't ape here
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I think maybe it's best to ask here. I'm looking for books on folkloric magics and ritual. Any culture or area is fine, so long as the text is somewhat detailed on the process of the ritual.
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>>22685261
Hitler escaped to Argentina, moron. I pray that you are smitten with hemorrhoids.
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>>22685290
This is a "pocket dimension" Ape won't be here is designed so he doesn't shows up.

>>22685302
Please stop obsessing with the porn data is very easy to manipulate, you just spam anal in the porn boards.
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>>22685286
Sorry, I don't speak gibberish.
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>>22685290
He's busy with life, apparently.

>>22685302
I heard he lives at the north Pole, with Santa and the elves.
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>>22685310
>you just spam anal in the porn boards.
I don't browse porn threads. Only self-destructive idiots watch porn.
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>>22685337
Nope. He sold insurance in Anaheim and died in a one-bedroom with twenty cats.
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>>22685341
Jesus, a loser on every fucking level. Bet he's afraid of beating off, too.
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>>22685341
Ok.

If you aren't like 99% of humanity that's ok.

We value the different.
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>>22685349
Enjoy your astral parasites. I hope your masturbation addiction is worth it.
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>>22685362
Told ya!

Sexual repression and failure leads to all sorts of insanity. This one thinks he has invisible parasites. Junkies think they get bugs under their skin. Same sort of madness.
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>>22685379
>Sexual repression
You can't have sex with your own hand, idiot. There's nothing repressive about preserving your virility.
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>>22685404
Finally.

Yes masturbation is not sex, just licking your elbow isn't.
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>>22685409
*Just like

Sorry.
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>>22685409
I genuinely don't understand why fappers get so upset.

No one is saying don't have sex. It's preserving your seed for when you do fuck.
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>>22685404
You obviously don't have virility, bitch, or you wouldn't be obsessed with it to such an unhealthy extent.

Real men fuck. A lot, and are healthier and happier for it.

Losers don't.
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>>22685421
Mocking sad fucks is the opposite of being upset.
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>>22685424
Lmao.

It's almost like you didn't read my posts, you pathetic porn freak.
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>>22685421
It's not sex anon and those seeds have expiration dates and it just gets expelled while you pee eventually.
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>>22685435
>says the nofapping nazi who is asking ti get curb stomped
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this thread is so crazy...
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>>22685435
Someone reads your posts?
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>>22685438
Also, too, prostate cancer!
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>>22685457
There's no control group to determine if prostate cancer is affected by fapping, as they all have done it.
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>>22685442
have sex niggerlover
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>>22685463
Use it or lose it. We are built to get off.
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>>22685468
That was one big telegraphed punch anyone with fight experience could have dodged that.
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>>22685468
It's a useful way to control weak males. It's definitely valuable, just not for the dumb suckers.
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>>22685471
Maybe, but we are also built to go around naked sniffing each other butts.

We don't do that in public anymore.
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>>22685298
Try the Thursatru Tradition
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>>22684166
That is my deserved reward for skimming through the nuclear reactor manual, I mean, this thread.
Thanks for making your work available free of charge.
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>>22685482
>We don't do that in public anymore.
speak for yourself loser
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>>22684445
Some magicians include in their books protection to make pirated copies of their books useless; Christopher Warnock and John Michael Greer--specially the latter, who mentions it often in his blogs--are the two examples that come at the top of my mind.
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>>22685286
Yes, public school is horrible, but unfortunately the Soviets found his body, and that is what they told. Other witnesses are lacking, unless you have sources for your claim.
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>>22685517
you have to wear a dress first though, no homo
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>>22685531
That defeats the purpose anon this isn't sex, this is natural behavior.
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>>22685527
The americans tested the supposed remains of Hitler the Soviets had and it turned out to from a woman.
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>>22685482
No one's going to invite you to those sorts of parties. You're too busy being gangstalked.
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>>22685535
Interesting. Source?
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>>22685515
They threaten because they have no power - and know their marks all too well.
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>>22685538
I don't have the primary source, but it is mentioned here
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/27/adolf-hitler-suicide-skull-fragment
I remember learning about it on the history channel documentary the article mentions, "Hitler's escape".
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>>22685535
The poor fucks will believe absolutely anything.
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>>22685536
I consider gangstalking an equivalent of butt sniffing.

>What did you eat yesterday?
>Hmmm beans.
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>>22685550
That's good enough for a start, thanks for the reply. Last case, I can e-mail the author of the article.
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>>22685550
>history channel documentary

Came on just before Ancient Aliens.
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>>22685542
Look, assuming that action at distance is real, I would be wary of using bootlegs of manuals rigged to fail if pirated.
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>>22685564
Published by make-believe wizards?

Really?
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>>22685564
Greer and Warnock are far from literally whos in their fields. If magic is real, so can be the protections.
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>>22685585
Yeah, it's not like they're capable.
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>>22685619
It can't stop piracy, but it may make the content useless.
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>>22685495
Thank you anon. I'll be sure to look into it after reading this fascinating occult discussion on how/why you should or shouldn't store your cum.
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>>22685628
There are certain books I've looked for online that I couldn't find, books by "The Cabal" a left hand path group. I really think they might have used magic to make their books harder to find pirated.
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>>22685661
Who knows.
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>>22685628
The content was already useless, so what's the point?
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>>22685834
That's for the people who read it to determine, it's not your prerogative to be judge jury and executioner of knowledge.
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>>22685841
You're a chuckle-headed idiot who believes he's gangstalked.

Fuck off outta here!
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>>22682871
Imagine going through all that effort to find out that you were tricked into pissing off ancient and powerful entities
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>>22678326
Many demons can be undeniably traced back to ancient gods. It's pretty ridiculous that there's actually people here who deny it. Reminds me of /pol/ saying jesus was a totally non-jewish white guy, funny how some 4chan boards can have their heads so far up their ass.
So to answer your question, yes of course, these gods have been known to be friends, patrons, and matrons to men
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>>22685515
That's funny, those books are useless regardless of the faggy curses these "authors" put on them.
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>>22686792
You don't know what you're talking about.

Astaroth can be connected to Ishtar, but Astaroth is NOT Ishtar. They are discrete entities that while related, are different. They have separate personalities and abilities. Infernal hypostates of an entity are demons. If you want the god, you go to the god. You want the demon, you go to the demon.
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>>22686823
What the fuck are you even arguing? Cunt
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>>22686823
>Astaroth is NOT Ishtar
You're so retarded and wrong that I feel physical pain.
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>>22686832
The god a demon may be connected to is not the same entity as the demon itself.

>>22686850
Sure. Go ahead and invoke Astaroth and see how they treat you.
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>>22686792
>It's pretty ridiculous that there's actually people here who deny it.

Misses the point entirely.

>>22686823
Yep.

These kids have never actually encountered a demon. They just live in a fantasy world fashioned to frighten their mothers.

>>22686850
Poke argues the thing, the old fraud.
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>>22686867
It is the same entity, only a different aspect. Either way saying a being that is connected to a loving goddess actually wants to burn everyone's face off is pretty retarded.
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You can be of the serpent bloodline, and this fear mongering means nothing to you. Ponder that christcucks, a man can be OF the infernal
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It's also a known fact that christian's believe pagan gods are evil beings, so playing the PC angle of ''no we don't hate pagan gods just demons!'' doesn't really work if you want to properly follow 'tradition'
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>>22678326
I want a few things, but mostly I want to talk to them. I don't know if being friends with a goetic entity is possible, but I want to ask them about philosophy and stuff like that, because I know they probably know much more than even our mortal philosophers have. Everything we've ever thought has come from the perspective of a life fleeting. If the entities are eternal, I want to know if they can tell us anything we haven't already figured out.
If that's not possible, I guess I've often thought that I haven't done much wrong in my life, but I'm not perfect, and when I die I want to go to the first circle of hell in the palace with all the old philosophers, and we can just talk for eternity without the constraints of mortality and the human condition...
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>>22686940
>when you completely don't understand snake symbolism
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>>22686973
Just go talk to David Jones. Somewhat less risky.
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>>22686900
Speaking of Poker-Onion, I find it highly amusing that apparently a significant quantity individuals use goetic methods (or so they claim) to contact Astaroth with the impression they are summoning Astarte.
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>>22686985
The serpent is Samael, the father of the race of Cain. The hell are you on about, stop trying to show me up, you aren't good at it
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>>22687008
Curious do you actually believe you have gnosis on the matter? Or are you just talking out of your ass?

I have experience with both entities. Quite profound experiences with Astarte who is without a doubt an ally of the infernal
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>>22687029
*both aspects of the entity
I've performed rituals back to back with both aspects.
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>>22677866
https://discord.gg/F7qWqXY
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>>22687008
Poke swears he's worshipping a goddess, not a demon. But then he's a carnival barker, not an occultist, Louis Culling's disciple and all that implies.

>>22687011
Sam isn't even fallen, silly.
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>>22687011
Yup, you're a retard. Thanks for playing.
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>using pretentious mental gymnastics to deny researched facts
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>>22687058
Who is poke?
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>>22682841
Using MP won’t work for all seven because there are, at most (if you include DOTh), five spheres. Meanwhile there are seven Chakram. So you’d have to work in other “microcosmic” sefiroth...which definitely could be done, albeit perhaps awkwardly. Did you have a certain schema in mind?
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My vision of the Christian reality is as God existing outside of the space time, which he can observe from beginning to the end of time.
God gave a part of himself infusing humans with free will, and the outcome of what they will do is, in a way, unpredictable to God. He can know the outcome because he can see the end of times in our universe, but not exactly because he knows what will happen from the initial state.
When the end of times happen in a way God doesn't like, he intervenes on the universe, changing the outcome. However, for practical effects, this has the same problems as time travel. Everything after the intervention changes. With the cumulative effect, new persons are created, others change, and yet others are wiped out of existence.
C.S. Lewis said in his book Miracles that miracles are rare, and this is the reason; they are serious business. Such interventions would be unnoticeable to us, because the universe runs its course until the end of time.
The catch is that God saves his own in the future, before acting through a miracle--taking them out of the universe--and the others stay inside, risking to be wiped out because God thought it would be good if some random person one thousand years ago found his lost money, wiping out the timeline that exists for us now.
Did you pray to the Lord today, Anons?
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>>22687093
Carroll "Poke" Runyon.
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>>22687121
Nothing exists outside of spacetime. It's the only necessary existence.
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>>22682841
Perhaps take a look at Liber Yod sub figura DCCCXXXI
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>>22687126
Have some fun with this text:
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>>22687136
Oh, Lord.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/eternity/
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Since we touched the subject of time, how do the timeless aspects of the self change through our existence as creatures in the realm of Becoming?
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>>22687141
To steal a quote, the challenge of philosophy is demonstrating its relevance to the real world.

>>22687148
What self?
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>>22687029
>>22687040
What kind of rituals? What is the nature of the rituals you perform? If I could talk out of my ass I’d be making a living with a traveling carnival.
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>>22687058
Considering what you say about L.T. Culling, what do you think about his sex magic book?
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>>22686935
>I don't know what I'm talking about
You can just say that you've never performed magick.
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>>22687265
I have it. It's a fun read, as I recall. But I had the order's grade papers soon after, so never gave it a second look.

Culling and his GBG were heirs to the Choronzon Club. GBG is kinda embarrassing to read, sort of Thelema for dummies. Also, kinda weirdly entertaining.
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>>22687133
Thanks, I will.

>>22687095
I didn't mean performing the MP over the chakram, but performing LRP around each sephira of the MP. So vibrate the middle pillar out, then around each of the five draw four pentagrams with appropriate godnames.
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I'm not sure if this has been posted already, but I thought you guys would get a kick out of it.

>To mark a decade of the University of Cambridge's Casebook Project, aimed at digitizing one of the largest surviving sets of private medical records in history, researchers released transcriptions of their 500 favorite cases online, put into accessible English for anyone to browse.
>cnet.com/news/kisse-myne-arse-doctors-notes-reveal-bizarre-medical-cases-from-400-years-ago/

It's a bunch of notes written by occult healers of the 1600s.
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>>22685261
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>>22687543
yeah this is going to be as big as winterchan or ebolachan right?
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Rinsed and laid crystals over bed of sea salt. Then performed LBRP over the bunch and filled salt basin with water then blessed water. Now the crystals are left soaking in the salt water to absorb the full moon's light.

I think the earth pentagrams should banish stones wonderfully, but it's my first time cleansing stones any which way. Are you guys utilizing the moon for anything?
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>>22687545
Bigly. Much more bigly.

A bunch of pasty incel doughbois worshipping one of history's greatest losers. Even geniuses like Rommel couldn't save his dumb ass.
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About to take some shrooms, my perpetually-arguing friends. Anything I should try? Ritual content seems kind of mundane or insincere when I’m tripping, like the god names. It doesn’t feel like they have much objective power, at least not in that state of mind. Still, any recommendations are welcome.
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>>22687710
watch sesame street, or anime.
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>>22687710
Chew them thoroughly, and hold them in your mouth for about 8-10 min. You absorb more that way. Happy landings!
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Here's the library: https://mega.nz/#F!QhIRhQxI!F0D7OfuXx5p3CjXBUm3l2g

Working on the A.A. folder.
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>>22687681
You'd probably be interested in /Vril/ on 8ch
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>>22687856
Thank you!
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I know I've seen this asked here before, but what's a good text on "occult" or magical uses of herbs and other plants? I've already checked Goetic Pharmakos (and of course I've read Complete Magician's Tables & 777); looking for something a bit different. Thanks in advance.
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>>22686251
You have issues, maybe you should try not tricking underage girls into online exposure, they cut themselves and cry afterwards it's awful.

>>22690375
The Voynich manuscript is under translation, that is turning out to be an interesting compendium of herbal treatments.
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>>22690390
Who the fuck are you addressing, half-wit?
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>>22690390
>The Voynich manuscript is under translation, that is turning out to be an interesting compendium of herbal treatments.

No, it isn't. Is there anything so stupid you won't believe it?
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>>22690375
I'm checking Schulke's Veneficium right now, too.
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>>22690410
https://xkcd.com/593/
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>>22690402
This post, some people can't see their role in it for some reason, I blame the backrooms.

>>22690410
Lol they backtracked the advances already.

Often happens with this mysteries as the real money maker is it being "undecodable" or maybe it was the spanish crown who asked them to shut up.
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>>22690539
You will fucking fall for anything, the spirit of /x/ made flesh.
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Where to find apes library?
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>>22690768

Nevermind, glad people are still posting the only good to ever come out of this general
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>>22690772
Not Ape's library.
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>>22690390
>You have issues, maybe you should try not tricking underage girls into online exposure, they cut themselves and cry afterwards it's awful.
take your pills you schizo shiteater
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>>22679065
What in the good goddamn is this?
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>>22690375
I don't know if they're any good but check out "Magical and Ritual Use of Common Herbs" & "Herbs and Their Magical Properties" in the Various folder here. >>22687856
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>>22690812
>Magic has no consequences.

Look again sweaty.
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>>22690984
You're really not lucid today, aren't you? Poor bastard.
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>>22691015
Even more than usual...

But yeah my version of the board is so mutilated I just seem like an insane person in perspective.
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>>22691025
>this smelly brown paste on my shoe may SEEM like shit but I assure you it's something entirely different!
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>>22690977
Thank you! May I ask which folder(s)?
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>>22691041
They're both in the "Various" folder
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>>22690792
based retard
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Found this. What do ?
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>>22691025
You seem like an insane person from every perspective.
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>>22691154
Still not Ape's library. More like Jon Frum's.
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>>22691376
Looks like a carbon copy of apes stuff to me
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>>22691227
Make it whole again
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Is there any value to numerology?

i.e. the study of numbers where every letter is assigned a number 1-9 and you add them all up until the result is a single digit?
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>>22691630
Yes, Kabbalah numerology is worth looking into.
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>>22691603
It's pointless lying about something anyone can check for themselves.
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>>22691630
Sort of. It's an interesting exercise, but success is hard to distinguish from a psychotic episode.
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>>22691653
based shizo
>>22687856
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>>22691684
Yeah, I don't know how they pass this off as the same. But this is 4chan, and channers aren't interested in facts.
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>>22691699
fuck off abck to reddit then faggot
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>>22681458
What thread did he post it on? I’m also curious as to whether it’s been uploaded on mega yet.
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>>22691710
>he admits he's not interested in facts
typical retard.
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>>22691776
subculture posturing is the surest way to enlightenment
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>>22691776
fuck off to reddit than rest era tranny invader
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>>22691744
Keep lurking and have patience, even Ape itself grace us with his presence once in a while.
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>>22691785
Speak english you screeching monkey
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>>22691744

Have you seen this? >>22687856
It's similar to Ape's library just more organized.
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>>22691710
Ah. So, you're really invested in pretending this is the same library?

Interesting.
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>>22692132
Not even close.

The problem is curation. Of what value are the choices of some total newb?
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Can doing the LBRP daily (or at least often) help with feelings of sadness/depression and all that? Also what can someone do to better help with visualization so you actually see the flaming pentagram?
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>>22692513
>Can doing the LBRP daily (or at least often) help with feelings of sadness/depression and all that?

Possibly. Meditation might be more effective. A more general course of magic might at least keep you distracted/entertained. That seems half the battle.

>Also what can someone do to better help with visualization so you actually see the flaming pentagram?

Practice. Don't worry about it. It will come of its own.
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>>22692513
it can, combine with meditation. doing LBRP daily will help build your powers of visualization because it's practice.
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>>22692560
>Meditation might be more effective
Just like straight normal meditation?
>A more general course of magic might at least keep you distracted/entertained.
I wanna find a way to get rid of it WITH magick. I've seen magicians and occultists do insane spiritual shit with magick to erasing this from myself should be possible. I know a guy who said working with spirits helped a raped girl overcome mental trauma and evaporate social anxiety. So I want to figure out how to do this to better myself.
>Practice. Don't worry about it. It will come of its own.
>>22692577
Ok good. I need all the tools and preparation too right? It can't just be in a small room with nothing? Or do all the tools and robes just amplify it?
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>>22692582
you don't need any tools at all, just a few feet of space. you can use your fingers for drawing pentagrams. the tools are useful especially for people who aren't good at visualizing, but they can be dispensed with.
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Can someone explain this tranny invader meme that has popped up recently?
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>>22692610
probably have to ask some /pol/tards about that, sounds like an alt-retard meme.
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How does one master a path on the tree of life? Is it through contemplation and ritual? Is there some objective experience associated with attainment of a grade? Maybe a test, like contacting a being associated with that energy? I’m wondering how someone knows they’ve reached a certain level, aside from being told by an order
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>>22692582
Yeah. Fairly straight meditation. Study Patanjali. Practice zazen. That sort of thing.

Amazing things are possible with magic. Not all such paths are safe, though.
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>>22692589
That's interesting. I got a book that recommends a Tau robe and ceremonial tools and all that but I've seen people do it with just a clear space. Thanks for the help bro.

>>22692729
>Not all such paths are safe, though.

What would the effects be of something not safe? Insanity?
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Question about evocation. Can you HEAR the spirits talking to you or is it more like a sense of "knowing"? Because I've heard it both ways and no one seems to give a clear answer. I know it's like a telepathic thing but I don't know if the voices are actually heard like if you were talking to another person.
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>>22692741
Insanity is sort of an occupational hazard. Unintended outcomes generally. Everything has a price.
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>>22692772
Ideally, yes, you can hear. Some can see, but have difficulty hearing. It just depends.
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>>22692831
>Unintended outcomes generally. Everything has a price.

Even from successful workings or just from stupid people fucking things up and pissing off spirits?
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>>22692835
Can the people who have difficulty hearing improve that so they can? Is it something that can be honed/trained?
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>>22692842
Both, really. But even success has a price.

>>22692846
Yes, it can be developed with practice. We all face personal limitations, though.
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>>22692869
>But even success has a price.
Like what? I'm guessing self transformation and letting go of things.
>Yes, it can be developed with practice. We all face personal limitations, though.
Thanks. You're a great help.
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>>22692884
different anon but in my experience one of the most common things you have to give up in order to obtain success in anything is releasing preconceived notions to allow a clear perception of reality. this can be challenging at times, sometimes the ego will rebel against it as it can mean relinquishing a sense of security and control.
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>>22678326
Yes you can
I've summoned multiple goetic demons
Some I didn't feel a connection with
Some may take a liking to you

Try looking through the Goetia
If a name or sigil pops out to you then you're probably found one who wouldn't mind working with you
Draw their sigil, meditate/stare at it, call out their name
If you get a good feeling keep going, if you get a bad feeling then don't continue
Just invite whoever it is, say you would like to meet/know them, and keep at it
You may not get crazy results at first, but keep trying, it shows persistence
And just be respectful
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In Dion Fortune’s mystical qabala it’s mentioned that Mathers’ works on the unwritten qabalah were published by crowley after a quarrel, but that they’re very hard to come by. Are these in ape’s library? It would be nice to know for future reference
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>>22692907
Yeah that's what I figured. It is hard. I remember when I found out about Da'ath and all that I didn't like the idea of just dwelling in a void forever with no happiness or any kind of anything so my mind like regressed into this "fuck that! Da'ath doesn't even exist!" mindset.
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>>22686973
Check out "The complete book of demonolatry" by S. Connolly. It's a great place to start. There should be a free PDF on her website. I've had nothing but great things happen when working with these entities.
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>>22692909
>Draw their sigil, meditate/stare at it, call out their name

I did that once and some weird shit happened. I don't know why more skeptics don't just do that and they'll have their answer.
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>>22692935
Doesn't that depend on whether you're Qabalistic or Qliphothic in nature?
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>>22692772
Depends on the spirit and person. Most of the time they will make themselves "visible" in your minds eye, with enough meditation and practice. Sometimes you'll get a foreign thought in your head which is a form of communication. Other times you'll experience synchronicities the week of the summoning, which will answer your question or show you where to look.
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>>22692942
It works for sure
The first time I used this method to see if demons/spirits/gods were real
I now know for sure the Goetic demons are real
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>>22692952
Yeah that lines up with some experiences of my own. I'll just get random thoughts or sentences in my head and then I'll see some "coincidences" later on. And then the more you notice it the more it happens.
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>>22692947
No clue. The only "magic" I've done is working with the Goetic demons/gods. But if you're interested in summoning using respectful and noncommanding methods, the book is very useful.
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>>22692963
Yeah basically a couple weeks ago I drew Stolas' sigil on some paper while I was fucking around in my book and slowly chanted his name to experiment. Not loudly just sort of like a whispery "Stoooolllaaaass". About 2 minutes later my curtain randomly fell down. I checked where it fell and there's literally no way it could have fallen like that. Something PUSHED it off my wall. Guess what? Didn't happen before and hasn't happened since.

I actually picked it up and said "Hello Stolas!" out loud and smiled. I felt bad because I couldn't hear him them if he was trying to talk to me.
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>>22692981
Thanks for the recommendation. I've heard a lot about S. Connolly before but never really read her stuff.

I think the Q vs Q thing should be discussed more.
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>>22692969
Same

Usually if I focus on a mental image of a sigil before I go to sleep, I'll have dreams that are more than dreams. Sometimes when I'm meditating or trying to summon they'll push objects around/create wind to let me know they're here.

I think the more you work with a particular demon the easier it is to communicate with him/her
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>>22692884
So called attainment is actually a subtractive process. Having bits of what you presume to be you ripped away can be painful.

>>22692925
Probably. The Crowley corpus was tolerably complete.
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>>22693004
Yeah definitely on that last point. I haven't really focused on a sigil before sleep but I'll try that. I usually listen to meditative stuff.

>>22693007
>Having bits of what you presume to be you ripped away can be painful.

Exactly what I was thinking.
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>>22692989
Congrats. I think it's a good sign if they're willing to show up and prove they're presence
Even if you can't physically hear them you can try talking to them, as they can hear you
If you just ask to get to know them, they'll push you in the right direction whether you know it or not
And the more you meditate/work with them, the easier it'll be to communicate
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>>22692995
No problem
The Qabalistic and Qliphothic sutff keep popping up. I definitely need to do some research
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>>22693033
If I did something like this, should I banish afterwards?
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>>22691630
It oversimplifies too much... breaking everything down into a single digit so it can fit onto the tree of life is a cool concept, but we need 93 to be separate from 156. Yes, 93 and 156 are harmonious with eachother (they both add up to 3) but they aren't the same energy.
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>>22692478
ape nut-huggers are the most repulsive people on earth
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>>22693055
It's up to you
Some paranormal stuff may start happening after a while if you don't
I think the demon's energy can attract other things, some of things can be negative
So yeah, banish if just want to be safe
LBRP is a good method
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>>22693033
>I think it's a good sign if they're willing to show up and prove they're presence
I'm very open and respectful. I primarily want to learn things instead of begging for material stuff. Although I might request help with something in the future if it comes up. And I'll only request because I need their help and have no other option.
>Even if you can't physically hear them you can try talking to them, as they can hear you
Yeah that's why I said hello and welcomed him. I couldn't hear or see him but I absolutely knew it was Stolas there. I'm definitely more of the type to make offerings instead of using the binding method. A working relationship is better than pointing a gun at someone and demanding they do something I think.
>If you just ask to get to know them, they'll push you in the right direction whether you know it or not
>And the more you meditate/work with them, the easier it'll be to communicate
Great to know. Thanks so much.
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>>22693074
your life must be super limited if that tiny subset of people are the ones on the planet who bother you the most.
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>>22693039
Part of me thinks a really good magician can work with both, because there's definitely demonologists who work with angels and Qabalistic gods too, but another part thinks it's like a "crossing the streams" thing. They'll just clash and the energy will be a trainwreck. I don't know, it's not really commonly discussed because mostly everyone is one or the other.
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hail crowleyanity
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How did Rudra become Shiva? Did Shiva exist as a local Dravidian god before the AI?
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Does anyone here have any experience with Murmur?
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>>22693039
Shouldn't it be Sephirotic and Qliphotic?
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Do you like Crowley?
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>>22693217
died way before my time, couldn't say.
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>>22693223
You can like people remotely anon.
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>>22693234
you can read a bunch of shit somebody wrote and still not know the person.
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>>22693238
But like anyway is almost instantaneous.
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>>22693295
why are you trying to force me to say i like crowley?
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Any of you ever make your own rosy cross before? May make one this week. Either going to go buy wood that is already planed and then cut it out, or use some of the maple from a tree i just cut down and carve it down myself (or likely plane it myself then cut it out).
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>>22693319
Just saying your way out was cheap, you could say why you don't like him.
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>>22693362
i don't dislike him either, as i said he died way before my time.
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>>22693382
That's a valid way to see I never read any.
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>>22693396
did you mean "say" ?
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>>22693396
to be fair, crowley isn't worth reading
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>>22693414
Tomate, potatutu, who cares?
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>>22693437
i do because it determines the meaning of your post.
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can you fags help a nigga out >>22693304
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>>22693520
frequency illusion. the OP is probably underage.
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>>22693206
Same thing really.
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>>22693467
I meant say.

But I tried to dissimulate the mistake with a joke, please forgive my language inadequacy.
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>>22693541
no, they're both elements of kabalah. qlippoth have no meaning outside of kabbalistic thought.
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>>22693527
No need to be condescending
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>>22693557
didn't mean to be, but the OP does sound rather on the young side. i jacked off and saw crescent moons everywhere, does this mean i'm cursed?
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>>22693577
Fuck off.
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>>22693586
seriously, look up frequency illusion. it's a cognitive bias. https://www.gravityideas.com/thinking/frequency-illusion
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Hi anons, im reading through the mega above and what books are good for developing psychic and third eye related things in there?
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>>22693593
I'm not here to investigate that option, nor to have my question ridiculed and discarded. I know what I saw and I know there is no guarantee that it means anything. I understand the concept of coincidence. I am just investigation the unlikelier option. Why? Because your mother does dirty things to your father.
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>>22693601
siva samhita.
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>>22693609
there's more to it than simple coincidence, it's how our brains sort information. you don't seem to be cursed, so there's no reason to give you curse breaking advice.
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>>22677866
No one ever questions how goofy this pic is. The cheap ass hat. The hand placement. C'mon now.
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>>22693631
>you don't seem to be cursed
That's what I'm here to learn about. How do you verify whether I fall into a cursed category?
Secondly, would you like to visit my thread to advice me there since I made that thread for specifically this topic?
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>>22693612
the shiva samhita?

any other suggestions, I wanna develop a decent skill to learn how to scry
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>>22693647
NERD!
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>>22693647
I don't want to visit your thread, it sounds like cognitive bias. ie - i believe that you're just psyching yourself out. i'm sorry you don't like that answer.

>>22693665
you might be interested in Israel Regardie's "Garden of Pomegranites"
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>>22693708
I don't think you understand or want to understand the question. I know it could very well be nothing remarkable. Again, that's not the option I came to /x/ for to investigate. I assumed there were people on here, this general in specific, who might actually bring any merit to this site on these types of topics.
But you don't know any more than I do. In fact you're not even capable of hypothesizing the possibility of it being an occult experience. You told me nothing I didn't already know.
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>>22693736
like i said, i'm sorry you don't like my answer. not all of us wizards are as exciting as harry potter.
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>thelemite is concerned about an anon believing that he might be cursed when he just as well might be not even though there is no reason to be convinced of either case

aww
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>>22693771
It's not an answer anon. You haven't answered my question. You might be cognitively impaired if you think you do.
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>>22693788
that's right, i did ignore one of your questions. get over it.
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>>22693803
Sure. I'll ask another.

Is my experience impossible to explain in an occult context?
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>>22693820
it's a sign from the universe telling you to get in touch with your feminine aspect and open yourself to new ideas so that they may plant the seed of new beginnings within you. you're being particularly stubborn and resistant in some aspect of your life and it's interfering with your spiritual progress. you are cursing yourself by ignoring your own intuition.
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>>22693842
Thank you for this answer
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>>22680455
Kybalion is a foundational work. If you don't have the basic concepts the rest is just empty words.
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Tonight is a full moon, is anyone here doing any cool occult stuff? I got drunk and praised my gods... nothing too major.... Beer was drank, clothes were shed, I just wish it wasn't so cloudy, I want to see the moonlight glimmer from my Blade of Arte...
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>>22694951
not doing anything of note.
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