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Occultism and Magick General - /omg/
'I am in pain' edition.

Ape's library:
https://mega.nz/#F!AE5yjIqB!y7Vdxdb5pbNsi2O3zyq9KQ
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Can someone repost the meme of ape and tripfiends being the dudes from the BLACKED pic?
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After writing that sigil last night i feel more wired, like a spiritual shot of red bull
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>>22013834
Lol that's priceless PLEASE SOMEONE POST IT
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>>22013827
I miss you
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Let this thread die out of respect for Varg. I hate this general so much.
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>>22014237
Varg should get stabbed 23 times. He deserves no respect, just death.
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>>22013827
the beginning to chaos magic is in pic related.
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>>22013834
Sigmashill agreed he loved cuck porn last thread. This is what happens when you read this garbage library trying to be Harry Potter.
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>>22014294
What's the point in lying about something that can be fact checked in 5 minutes or less? Follow up question: seeing as you suck dick at lying, have you considered doing something better with your life like maybe not shitposting like a retard?
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>>22014294
Wipe your mouth, son. You're dribbling again.

Fun fact: I never read Harry Potter, or watched any part of the movies.

>>22013226
>Do you think it's possible to open the Watchtowers having never successfully scryed before?

Yes, it's possible. Erecting watchtowers depends on your ceremonial magical skills, which depend mostly on practice and experience. You don't have to ‘see’ to do it, no more than you have to ‘see’ to banish - though it obviously helps.

Theoretically, you don't need to skry to petition the angels for help or even answers. The result should manifest in your environment just the same.

Using a skryer, especially when exploring or attempting to communicate, will make life easier, though.
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Are Liber Null's evocation suggestions a waste of time? I don't have the setup for some masonic GD Hekas Hekas shit.
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>>22015401
Well maybe you should avoid them then and try something more to your speed.

I think Harry Potter magic has a subreddit.
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>>22015407
Yeah, the only people in history to do magic were Irish trust fund babies and Harry Potter.
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>>22015401
You need to stop thinking in terms of all or nothing. It's fucking your head.

>>22015424
Irish?
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>>22013834
>>22013998
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I'm not a regular visitor to /x/, although I do stop by from time to time; I saw a thread a long while ago, maybe just before September, talking about servitors and I thought I would try it out. I'm a bit of a skeptic, but I suspended my disbelief and followed everything to the letter. And then failed utterly to utilize the servitor. I will say, I did feel as though it succeeded; I could sense it, I could visualize it and the symbol, and overall it matched with what the guideline described.

Subscribing to the theory that such a thing has some rudimentary sentience, would mine still be alive, just inactive? It was meant to just stoke my creativity so that I might actually meet deadlines.
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>>22016152
Doesn't sound like it was ever ‘alive’. You seem to think so yourself.

Also, I doubt you would find such information in one of these threads.
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whenever I attempt to really focus, some song will start playing in my head over and over. does anybody have tips to deal with this?
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>>22016183
Yes, be honest for once.
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>>22016183
Yeah, stop ingesting 1 gram of caffeine every day.
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Do you actually believe this is real?
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>>22016308
Do you?
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>>22016308
It's pretty obviously real when you put in the work.
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>>22016315
No, honestly.
The fierce reluctance people here have to posting proofs reinforces my disbelief.
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>>22016327
proof of what
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>>22016334
Of ANY of this magick shit existing
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>>22016342
why do you type magic like that? do you even know what it's supposed to be?
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>>22016353
I type magic with a k because that's the way it's written in this thread, despite it being a misspelling.
And magic is to excert supernatural powers over natural forces.
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>>22016183

''If a devil appears while you are meditating, make the devil meditate too.''
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>>22016327
Do you really think anyone gives a shit about some nobody's disbelief? You want people to give you proof instead of having enough curiosity to try to look into this stuff and put some of it into practice to see for yourself what's what. Why waste your time shitposting about things that don't interest you?
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>>22016386
Maybe anon is truly interested, but can't find himself the courage to believe.
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>>22016386
See what I meant by fierce reluctance to proving it?
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>>22016386
you are as useless as he is. I agree that demanding proof is dumb, but there are other ways to guide others to knowledge or insight
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>>22016401
You wouldn't understand the proof if you saw it
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>>22016422
You don't know me, ergo you have no way to substantiate that claim.
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>>22016429
Well, then put in the time to practice some rituals, it will take a few years, and see the proof for yourself. This is how magic has always worked, if you aren't ready for the proof it won't show itself. It's the work of the gods anyway.
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>>22016454
What do these rituals involve? What gods? Why is it so speshul that you can't see anything proving it exists unless you spend years convincing yourself that it does?
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>>22016463

Astral projection could be the easiest way of verifying the noumenal, regarding magic. So, learn to do that, and try to verify the experience as objective.
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>>22016327
>>22016342
Poor baby!

>>22016365
Dumber than owl shit.

>>22016396
Life takes courage.
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>>22016396
If he were truly interested he wouldn't be talking like this.
>>22016414
>implying i want to guide others or handhold lazy shitposters
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>>22016327
You don't have to believe in "magic." Honestly, I don't either. The meaning of magic is different to everyone. There are guidelines and general things to follow, sure, but if you spend a little time researching it yourself you'll find out there are no tools necessary to work with magic. To me, practicing things aligned with the occult is more of a control and power over my mindset. I'm not making things appear out of thin air or making more things happen than they would naturally, but my approach and thoughts on the subjects are altered. Some do believe it's totally real and that the spells, charms, and sigils have this effect on the world around them, but I think the power of your perception is what's at work.
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Christianity is better
Does Christianity become real once you put in the work?
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>>22015669
that's the spice
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>>22016504
True interest takes many forms.

Distrust can be one of them.
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>>22016505
Why aren't you getting real-world results?
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>>22016497
Dude just believe everything we say regardless of the utter lack of proof lmao
Why does the sole concept of people not having absolute faith in whatever bullshit you follow seem dumb to you? How do you gather knowledge without questioning anything?
>>22016504
Nice proof, my man, totally convinced now and i see you're a completely logical person
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>>22016540
Belief is malleable and only a tool.
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>>22016531
I am. But I don't assume that there's a mystical force behind the results. It's like when you're nauseous, suddenly you take notice of every smell that makes you want to vomit. Otherwise it wouldn't even cross your mind. Taking control of yourself and consciously being more aware of the things you want and desire inherently draws your attention to it. It's magical in the sense that I'm more self aware and actively noticing opportunities, taking actions that will draw me to the things I want, and maintaining a stable perception to align with making those goals happen.
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>>22016540
To reiterate, no one cares that you're a lazy nigger who wants to be spoonfed things that you probably wouldn't understand anyway.
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>>22016540
You're mistaken. I don't give a shit what you believe.

I just see a very needy, very demanding baby.

>>22016554
No, I mean real-world results.
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>>22016574
I know what you mean and I gave you an answer that's pretty self-explanatory.
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>>22016576
What record?

>>22016584
But I am curious why you are not getting results, and why you seem happy to settle for so little.

>>22016586
Haven't had cable for over a decade.
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Any advice on being able to see the metaphysical? Is the third eye a meme?

Why are people talking about cuckoldry on /omg/ wtf
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>>22016608
are there limits to the results you can have with magic? how does the will relate to magic?
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>>22016611
I think you're confused. I was calling the guy who Sum triggered an incel-cuck.
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>>22016614
>he doesnt torrent shows and movies
>>22016622
still here and still obsessed, yeah?
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>>22016630
>obsessed
I'd say it's more a morbid curiosity to look at the biggest failures on the planet and laugh at you.
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>>22016617
You're just mad I'm cucking the word from you.
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>>22016622
That seems reasonable. Know anything about my first question?
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>>22016629
Clearly you're the incel cuck though given a lifetime of rejection made you resort to sucking mens cocks online
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>>22016608
I said I am getting results, and it's not little. It's progression towards the larger goal. I'm happy with it because there's progress and progress always leads towards the things you want. If you don't enjoy the process you won't be happy with the result. That goes for anything in life. Just doing something small and expecting something big in return is just dumb and setting yourself up for disappointment.
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>>22016638
It doesn't work like that.
Your emotional response reveals that it must be true to bother you so much
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>>22016643
Aw, look how excited the little cuck got by me using his word!
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>>22016636
nah, youre obsessed. if youre going to be a faggot you might as well own it.
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>>22016647
Methinks the cuck doth protest too much!
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>>22016659
>if youre going to be a faggot you might as well own it.
That's what I'm saying about you white-knighting cucks online.
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>>22016621
There appear to be limits, but they're probably not what you imagine. Anon is settling for so much less than is either possible or desirable.

You have to define “will”.

>>22016646
This is clearly something in your head, and you'll just have to find a way past it.
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>>22016681
so salty and obsessed, spending time in a thread you dont like and acting like a sperg. you sound like a winner.
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>>22016688
Is the Pele ring truly necessary?
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>>22016706
Heh.
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>>22016463
Magic is spiritual, it takes training to be able to take in and live with the implications of the spirit world, angels, demonms, gods and God, and your own latent power and ability. Magic is also the honing of one's will. Think law of attraction or manifesting.

Try meditation, yoga, pranayama, astral projection, and taking entheogens with an open mind. Try breakthrough doses of psilocybin/shrooms, LSD, salvia, mescaline/peyote, DMT and Ayahuasca.

There are many rituals, basically what comes down to a variety of magical traditions and practices. Read through the beginner's folder in the library and find out yourself what you are in for. Then if you are still interested, follow whatever path you wish to take.
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>>22016750
Do you actually think you're being clever?
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>>22016756
There's only one acceptable response

>>22016750
*snort*
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>>22016876
Yup, there's nothing out there in the world of esoterism except aleister crowley. You figured it all out.
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They're trying to shut it down because the satanists admitted they eat cum.
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>>22016698
No, but it's a cool design. And, if you can afford it, you should probably make the attempt. I think we had an artist's interpretation hanging on the wall.
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>>22016925
The mods should just give us your ip addresses so we can sacrifice you to satan.
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>>22016980
Throw him in a volcano, in the manner befitting virgins.
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can magick make one stop being a coward or neurotic?
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>>22017044
It can make you less of a coward. Facing your fears is one of its uses.
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How is Bluefluke’s Psychonaut field manual for a way for getting into practicing magic?
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>>22017193
I think we discussed this last thread, which can be found using the archive. But if I recall, some people said it's decent. Other people probably have different opinions.
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>>22017227
Oh sorry, didn’t see it. Thanks
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Hello /x/, need help.

I want to learn about magick, will start reading some articles & posts today. My question is, there any relation between magick and reincarnation? Like "If you do magick, or make sigils you are fucked at your next life" etc. Looking to get into planetary work and DBoE, thanks.
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>>22017362
>My question is, there any relation between magick and reincarnation?

I guess you're asking whether magic generates karma. Yes, it can. It can also be a vehicle for burning karma.
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>>22017388
What exactly do you think you're babbling about?

Even were it true, this is 2019. And you're a sad, backward little critter.
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>>22013827
walp i did it. i reclaimed most of what had been lent out as it became clear many didnt understand the terms of service agreement. i pooed out a bunch of impurities that were collected and noted who was still in the group who hadnt violated the agreement

i also ran a regen cycle which always makes it feel like their is a cool breeze running across my body. the coup failed and the resistance discouraged. the main troublemaker who had attached to the back of my head weakened and fell off. later to come crawling back. double or nothing is serious and fatal if you dont comply most of the time a new batch of arrivals seen within a hour after i awoke

their end game is to either bog me down and get me to comply or try to get me to kill myself through a war of attrition. i will do neither and fight to the end. mainly because i have already copied myself many times and sent them out into the world. even if you end this me the rest are still out there and my alter ego (primary copy) has a reputation
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What are you guys' opinions on John Michael Greer? His dreamwith journal's Magic Mondays have been very helpful to me, and I am currently doing the kabbalistic meditations from his book Paths of Wisdom, and the practices of Circles of Power. If you are getting into the occult but are not yet convinced of what it's all about, check out his blog The Well of Galabes. That's what did it for me.
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>>22017541
do you know also what is going on? i feel a strange sensation, also getting molested seems a reocurring thing these last like 2 days
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>Autistically listen to Catch 33
>start seeing 33 and 333 everywhere
What is the occult significance of 33?

inb4 muh masons number, no shit
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>>22017613
muh masons number
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So, I have been reading about and doing sporadic sigil work for about 2-3 years now I guess. It is mainly practice to focus personal power.

In one of these threads like last week maybe, someone said something about planetary power. What is that and how is it more powerful than say sigils? What should I read? Does it involve invocation of archetypes? Gods? Looking for some context on that.
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>>22017641
You will need a solid grounding in elemental work, first. That starts with basic ceremonial skills.

Here's a start:

https://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib6

Then you need to learn basic astrology and astronomy, and Trithemius' system of hours. Oh, and the sooner you start to make sense of Agrippa, the better.
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>>22017696
Thanks. What do you mean by elemental work...just like representational charts and symbolism? I should have mentioned I have a pretty good grasp on astrology, basic grasp on astronomy and have a diagram someplace on the planetary hours....

I have tried reading Agrippa but didnt make it very far. I remember it being dry reading...

Does it rly just boil down to the timing of everything?
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will Arcana Viridia ship this year?
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>>22017696
Anyway, just read thru this link... tho Lib VI references another text, preparations are understandable. Thanks for passing it along Σ
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How do I get back into the occult and magick, after a materialist ex-bf did whatever he could to "debunk" it to me?
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>>22018237
Maybe just stop giving a shit about what other people think and do whatever you want to?
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>>22018237
Kik me your titties and I'll initiate you into the dark arte.
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Anyone know where I can find a decent pdf of the three books of occult philosophy? The one in the OP is incomprehensible.
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>>22018442
Ok listen up, I'm looking for the Donald Tyson Llewellyn version, dont tell me the one in the OP is that. It is garbage, filled with typos, and makes not even the tiniest bit of sense at all.
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>>22018442
Yeah, on the internet. Have you tried Google?
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>>22018471
Y'all run a shitshow here real talk. Tell the nigger running your mega link to stop archiving African gibberish translations.
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>>22018504
if you want to provide pdf of a separate translation he'd probably add it.
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>>22018504
>entitlement the post
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>>22018504
I’ve got the Llewelyn edition, filled with typos and poor editing, and managed to make sense of it just fine. I think maybe you’re just illiterate.
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>>22018504
There are literally a dozen copies of Agrippa online, through Peterson and others. A nice copy isn't high priority when there's shit like Crowley's unpublished papers to worry about.
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>>22017748
There's elemental work, gnomes, undines, and the like.
There's planetary work.
And there's celestial work.

It's all make sense once you learn the basics. Agrippa is your friend.

>>22017850
It's a decent introduction. Yeah, it references and relates to other texts. It's a fair amount of material. Take your time and ask questions.

>>22018237
Just do it. He didn't know everything.

>>22018463
Excellent!

>>22018526
Just use the English first edition. I have a photocopy, somewhere. Gotta be easy to find.
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Perhaps its a bit relative, but is there a ''fast method'' for grinding at astral projection?
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>>22016688
They're saying it's in their head and that's exactly what matters. It's something that helps people cope with life baka. It's like meditation.
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>>22018725
>And there's celestial work.
What does that look like?
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>>22016730
> taking drugs
Doesnt even know that all drugs do is take you to lower levels of the astral plane where low ranking demons and scum spirits live.
Read before you post please
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>>22019502
You just made that up.
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>>22018725
What can elementals do for you?
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What yields better results: Praying and working with/to your Higher Self or entities that are "outside of you" such as Gods, Angels, Spirits, Demons?

How powerful exactly is the Higher Self?
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I'd like to know everyone's opinion on the conclusion that all of these gods, demons, angels, and etc. are all just manifestations of the human psyche that are very much "alive" in the collective consciousness, and manifest different characteristics and personalities to every individual on a case-by-case basis because of preconceptions one might have regarding these entities.

We are all, after all, One. I'd like to know why so many people on /x/ take the "my way or the highway" approach in 2019, when anyone with a grain of experience will tell you that our experiences with these powers matter more than what face one may show to one person while the same entity shows a different face to the other... They bring us closer to the All by showing us things and giving us experiences that bring our attention to aspects of life and death and everything in between, by making us aware of these things we raise our consciousness to higher levels. /x/ Keeps arguing about "No x demon doesn't behave that way, you must have been in contact with y etc." when they're all really facets of the same fucking thing, and we all experience even the same facets differently.

Guess that was more of a rant than a question but... Thoughts?
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>>22020409
Oh look, a non-retard. Rare around these parts.
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>>22020409
We are all one, but that doesn't mean magic and mysticism is purely psycholigical, or determined solely by the human collective consciousness. In reality, it's more generate3d and sustained by the actions and thoughts of everything that has ever and will ever exist, still that doesn't mean it's purely pan-psychological, just that our pyches DO play a part in the upkeep of these "powers". Gods, angels, demons, etc, are real and have their own volition as much as an individual can have their own autonomy in a world that is, in the end, all one.
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>>22018725
>Agrippa is your friend.

Will try to get back to it. So i made a list of correspondences based on my intent, copied down his instructions in my book, the lesser and greater rituals of the pentagram and hexagram (or seal of Solomon)...planning on practicing them before the 19th of this month.
Honestly, it isnt the best astrological time to do a ritual (for my purposes) but there is an event I want to prepare myself for... any other advice?
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>>22019267
It's not that difficult. It just seems that way.

>>22019292
You and he are missing something vital, but no matter.

>>22019496
In Enochian, it's the aethyrs.

Read Agrippa.

>>22019502
It depends on many factors, most importantly the setting and what you bring to the experience.

>>22019698
Material stuff: transportation, mechanical arts, that sort of thing.

>>22019709
>How powerful exactly is the Higher Self?

No such thing, really. You have a self, or seem to.

>>22020409
It doesn't seem to be true, and can in some situations be dangerous.

>We are all, after all, One.

Not really.

>>22020892
Find a way to learn the basics of magic, before then. And find some way accumulating sufficient power in so short a time.

Good luck!
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>>22020994
>>We are all, after all, One.

>Not really.

The only thing I can guess you mean by this is those individuals and spirits who have chosen to "go off alone" or "wander", not exactly confined to demons and LHP and shadow-work, but they still usually fit the bill. These are just my total amateur speculations on what you mean. Those who have rejected or lost the idea of God completely, for example.
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>>22013827
Sup. Shalawam.
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>>22021049
It's a school of thought. There's people who actually believe we aren't really individuals. It's a faith I don't share.
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>>22020994
>Find a way to learn the basics of magic, before then. And find some way accumulating sufficient power in so short a time.

Not expecting a miracle overnight but I have been at this same desire (I call it an intent complex, because there are many moving parts to put together) for a while now. Thanks for answering my questions, Σ, it is not anything I can talk to anybody about IRL but it is a fun and creative process.

What I will say is that it is weird to read Crowley's texts throughout his life. Some are very user friendly, such as the one you sent me, and others come across as pompous and narcissistic. It was always a piecemeal process reading him...hm, i guess I have more experience than I let on. Not a total novice, but its been nice to compare notes.
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>>22021066
Crowley was a complex figure, and his opinions actually evolved through time. Consequently, his writing varies a great deal. His later writings are generally better, though there are exceptions. Liber O is something of a gem: concise, insightful, and on-point. It has limitations, but it's more than enough to get you started.
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>>22020994
What would you do magically in order to increase your financial security?
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>>22021038
Is that the thing about him 'accumulating special power in a short time' through ingesting semen?
>>22021057
You might be retarded then, because it's generally agreed on that everything in space shares a singular root source, the big bang theory, and that all things material are summed up almost entirely by the periodic table. Sharing this common root, indeed, we are all connected with absolutely everything.

If that's not enough for you, let's talk the most basic level of your development. How did you grow? What is it that made you? Your crack addled mother ate food to nourish you, it grew you into the mentally deficient FAS baby that you are. The basic chemistry process converted all of this into the material into YOU.
Where did that food source come from? What did it eat? It's all eternally recycled, over and over again, and has been since man crawled out of the slime. Ecosystems all exist solely off material creating material creating material feeding life feeding life feeding life.

Do you deny this?
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>>22021333
>333
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>>22021330
There are demons for that. I wouldn't personally go that route.

>>22021333
Hello Mr C!
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>>22021550
>I wouldn't personally go that route.

What would you do in a financially desperate situation?
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>>22021550
What is the next step for Daoism after DDJ and Zhuangzi?
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>>22021657
Let other wizards run a train on his asshole
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>>22021657
St Joseph candle, probably.

>>22021665
Practicing the Yijing won't hurt.

There's Daoist magic.

Zazen is a direct descendent of Daoist meditation.

There's Daoist alchemies, including sexual alchemy.

It's a big subject.
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>>22021657
>>22021699
St Jude, if it were really desperate.
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>>22021699
I know you recommend the Wilhelm-Barnes. I've only looked at the Richard John Lynn translation with the Wang Bi material because that's what my professor preferred. Have you ever read/worked with that one?
Also, do you have any person experience with Daoist magic? I've noticed interesting parallels with the pole-star stellar binding that Ape is/was posting about but I'm not sure where I would learn about that stuff practically outside of China. Are there books?
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>>22021759
I have Lynn's translation. I haven't used it for divination. Wilhelm-Baynes is rather enlightened, adequate to my needs, and familiar.

I have read a bit about Daoist magic, and learned a little from Joel Biroco. I really don't know that much about it, though. There are books, such as they are, but I don't have titles off the top of my head.

If you're really interested, approach Joel and ask. He may not bite.
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>>22021699
Do you approach beseeching saints from a chaos magick perspective?

I kind of doubt you've sworn fealty to the church or to Christ
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>>22021868
chaos is about whatever works, so why not?
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>>22021868
I am comfortable working within a Christian framework, strange as that might seem, especially when working with santos.

>>22021919
That's the way it should be, anyway.
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>>22021868
>I kind of doubt you've sworn fealty to the church or to Christ
that's the thing for as much as shitposters love to whine about "satanists" the regulars itt have probably spent more time with scripture than the vast majority of Christians on theboard
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>>22021333
You almost cringed me to death. Do you not realize how retarded you sound?
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>>22022023
If you didn't get past OP without near cringing to death then your opinion isn't worth much
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>>22022072
That's because he's deflecting by using a comment he hears daily
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So I'm reading through the library and the thread and what's the best way you're supposed to drink semen for its magical properties
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>>22022103
Well for starters you should just get the pointy hat first.

It's all in the presentation.
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>>22020994

>And find some way accumulating sufficient power in so short a time.

What do you mean by this. Middle pillar, pranayama? How do you accumulate power.
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>>22022250
"Semen is God"
-Aleister Crowley
"The industrial use of semen will revolutionize human society"
-Aleister Crowley
It's all in the library
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>>22022250
It takes time and discipline, so I imagine Σ is referring to a process of learning to focus a singleminded flow of energy to materializing one's desire. Also, cum.
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>>22022250
Pranayama, yoga, meditation. For short, intense periods chastity, fasting, prayer/vigils.
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>>22022377
>intense periods chastity
I think it goes without saying that this one is no problem for anyone here. That's why you're the master.
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>>22022377
What kind of prayers. Does the chastity relate to sexual energy accumulation, or just focus.
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>>22022405
There is the occasional proud boi, but most are likely beating off like deranged monkeys.

>>22022428
>What kind of prayers.

Identify the god or gods likely related to your particular work. Set up an altar, if possible. Spend time actually praying for aid, guidance, whatever.

In the old grimoires, you were required to go to Mass so many times, recite psalms on the way and back.

Be creative.

>Does the chastity relate to sexual energy accumulation, or just focus.

It relates to bottling up sexual energy.
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>>22022377
>chastity

Not possible in a relationship but breathing and meditation...sure...

Where do I find these God stances and positions he references?
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>>22022453
>Not possible in a relationship

Of course it's possible. Why can't you take this seriously?

>Where do I find these God stances and positions he references?

Not sure what you're asking.
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>>22022465
You can get her or him off without cumming yourself.
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I need my taurus MC sun to shine through lilith and out the Ophiuchus...how to do
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>>22022465
oh..well maybe I spoke too soon. It is possible sure...it can be done. Just thinking about my man's sex deprived crankiness and how I don't want to put up with it.

Crowley refers to "standing in the typical position of the God Horus" and other positions during assumption of the God forms. Do Thoth and Hathor have specific representational stances or is it purely meditative? Where can I find this?
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Also...nowhere in Liber O VI does he stress chastity but I can understand how it could contribute more uh, force.
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>>22022710
That's because you won't find it in either of them.
Start with the OTO papers.
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>>22022720
"These rituals need not be slavishly imitated; on the contrary the student should do nothing the object of which he does not understand; also, if he have any capacity whatever, he will find his own crude rituals more effective than the highly polished ones of other people."

I am totally going to slavishly hold to this advice.
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>>22022730
Word.
I'm just telling you where you can find the discourse.
Also somewhere in Liber Aleph iirc.
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>>22022746
Thanks, I appreciate it. Crowley wrote a lot. Hard to keep it all straight.
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>>22022710
Have you read old grimoires? Most recommend a period of chastity. Crowley was practicing yoga while the old authors were not, so they are just different ways of building that energy up.
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>>22022465
Do you know of any resources I can use for learning Agrippa? I find a lot of it very difficult to parse.
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>>22022730
Why does this get brought up here and it's usually torn down? It's basically saying your own, personalized systems will work better than any others, why does /omg/ have a hateboner for chaos magic then?
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>>22023211
>hateboner for Chaos magick
I don't know what you're talking about. Unless you mean people who want to worship Kek or something. Those people are retarded. Actual Chaotes are cool as shit.
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>>22023211
>>22023226
Nobody here except the tripfags has a handle on Chaos beyond "DUDE SIGILS LMAO" , "MUH BLUEFLUKE" or whatever gets backimported here from /fringe/.
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>>22022103
Cup the balls and vibrate loudly
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>>22022607
They're pictured in Liber O. In the exact url he linked.
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>>22023326
>>22022607
And so are the instructions for assuming the form of Gods that don't necessarily have a corresponding Grade Sign. Amazing what one can learn when one reads.
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>>22022607
>Crowley refers to "standing in the typical position of the God Horus" and other positions during assumption of the God forms. Do Thoth and Hathor have specific representational stances or is it purely meditative? Where can I find this?

Some are degree signs of the Golden Dawn. They should be in Liber O, I think. Budge and others give typical forms for the Egyptian gods.

>>22023065
Tyson's notes help somewhat. I don't know of a decent resource, unfortunately.

>>22023211
Because we've known a lot of fucking chaotes. That's why.
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>>22013827

how to leave the body? do you need to from a body of light.
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>>22023577
Set of instructions here: >>22017696.
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>>22023301
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>>22023448
>Because we've known a lot of fucking chaotes. That's why.

Generally, what makes them hard to deal with? What makes a good, or a great, chaote?
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>>22023878
Take your pills.
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>>22024015
Once in a while I have encountered chaotes who didn't have their head up their ass. Zorak comes to mind. The best I have encountered, like Phil Hine, moved on to something more substantial.

To be of any real use, a magical praxis must challenge you, force you to be a bit more than yourself. It can be done, but it's apparently very difficult with a system you make up to suit yourself.
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>>22024076
Very interesting take. I'll have to digest that a bit.


I had another question, is there any literature on enchanting objects? I would assume stuff like putting sigils on them either with paint or carving or fire or something could also be involved.
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Isn't the general semantics shit just repackaged 4th way self-remembering
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>>22024052
Auto buff on read next 1 pull x night take
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>go out to buy matches so I can burn my sigil
>sit on a bench and light it up in the rain
>suddenly see a cellphone on the ground

I didn't ask for money wtf
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>>22024281
4th way self-remembering is just repackaged mindfulness
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https://youtu.be/FJwbYO0PX1k
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>>22024200
Not my thing. I wouldn't know.

I think it's touched on in Agrippa. I think there's a book on amulets and talismans here, somewhere, but I should have to look for it.
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>>22024383
wait the oto got raided?
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>>22024200
>>22024451
This is the one:

http://oldways.org/documents/ceremonial/regardie/regardie_talismans.pdf
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>>22024383
Well, isn't that something?
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Walt Disney was the most powerful occultist.

https://hiddenmickeyesoterica.wordpress.com/
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>>22024344
Dope. Thanks.
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How time flies.

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/18206589/
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>>22024670
That's fucking painful.
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Guys. I think this is the place to ask. I may have done something stupid.

I have an exam in a few hours. I doubt I will pass it, so I decided to do something esoteric because why not.

I grabbed some butter and spices, drew a circle and a symbol of infinity (because afaik infinity represents knowledge) on a piece of paper, wrapped it all up, placed a drop of my blood and a drop of my saliva on it, then went outside (it was juust before dawn and windy as fuck) and burned it on a metal plate, keeping the fire safe from the wind until it went out on its own (took it half an hour). Then collected the ashes, placed them in a small bag and put it on a cord on my neck.

Did I do something? Is it dangerous? Should I do something else with the ash?
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>>22024675
Oh? You seem more grizzled now, but you were pretty helpful in that thread.

No demand on an answer, but have you actually not opened past the 6th? I had it in my head you did them all, but maybe I didn't read Black Lodge very attentively.
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>>22024684
>did I do something
A whole bunch of random shit. You'll be fine. If you really care, dump the ashes into a lake or scatter them in the wind.

With all that effort you could have just made a sigil. You won't get very far doing random bullshit unless you know what you're doing and it's thus no longer random bullshit.
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>>22024708
I don't know much, but I heard jewish burnt offerings usually follow almost the same procedure.
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>>22024698
5th. There's only so high you can open successfully. Crowley supposedly had a dispensation, for posterity, but I think his 1st is hinky. Maybe more.
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Is this legit. its prefaced by doing the lrp mentally
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>>22024457
OTO and Thelema is a hive of drug addicts just like the guy who made it.
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>>22014289
doesn't it sorta look like the OK hand?
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>>22024716
Doing random crap =/= Jewish burnt offerings. Intent is important when you're doing random actions.

>>22024754
>Crowley had a dispensation
Can you rephrase this? I don't understand what you mean at all. I recall from somewhere that if all the aethyrs are opened then the apocalypse happens, but I always took that as a more personal apocalypse of attaining Ipsissimus, or burning up and leaving physical reality altogether.

>>22024756
Performing LRP mentally / astrally helps me project, but I don't know if focusing on Daath will particularly make it happen. The orb at Daath is a part of the MP, anyway, so I don't see why singling it out does anything special. Try it and get back to us.
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>>22023326
>>22023346
>>22023448

Just wanted to know where I could read about a thing Crowley said that he didnt explictly explain in this section. I wasnt the one criticizing anybody or anything...
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>>22024383
Yo this is ghetto as hell
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What's the deal with AHIHVH?
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>>22024920
>but I don't know if focusing on Daath will particularly make it happen

I did try it, but due to inexperience, I am not sure if I made progress, so I ask.

I did all of the steps for a few days, and got to a point where I felt some sort of extension and bodily buzzing with some odd brightness which I couldn't actually see, but my heart beat too fast and I lost concentration. I also wonder if there is any danger to it, though the MP should empower the body of light, I could not dig up any proper information regarding this on da'ath. The mental LRP seems to help with the body going numb, at least for me.

I also have no idea if the effects are from the splitting of attention between the throat and the back of the neck and then have nothing to actually do with the da'ath stuff, or if the effects which I described are a sign of projection.
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>>22025466
>heart beat too fast
Doesn't sound right. As far as the theory goes, it's unwise to focus on daath particularly. I'd guess any effects you're feeling are from the concentration itself, rather than daath.
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>>22026244
You people fucked up a simple ritual.
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>>22022259
This.
You have to swallow mens cum to level up.
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>>22026312
Still trying to e-rape this poor trap?
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>>22026320
Just trying to ascend like Ape and Sigma by sucking off as many men as humanly possible
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>>22026324
Dare to dream brother
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>>22026324
Yeah yeah.

Honesty also works.
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>>22026324
I'm not sure I'd consider people who look like this "men"
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>>22026329
I will, of course, never such as much cock as some of you guys, but I can achieve my own records.
>>22026333
Well I mean, if we actually looked lovable we wouldn't have become wizards now would we?
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>>22024920
>Can you rephrase this? I don't understand what you mean at all.

Crowley was explicitly allowed to open aethyrs above his grade in order to leave a reasonably complete account of his visions for us. It was the first mapping of those spaces.

>I recall from somewhere that if all the aethyrs are opened then the apocalypse happens, but I always took that as a more personal apocalypse of attaining Ipsissimus, or burning up and leaving physical reality altogether

That's what the angels told Dee, but it's more than just opening the aethyrs.

It can be more than personal, too. Our personal apocalypse burned down us, the lodge, and McMurtry's OTO.

>>22025466
>I also wonder if there is any danger to it, though the MP should empower the body of light, I could not dig up any proper information regarding this on da'ath.

My old teacher argues against the MP, as there is a danger of imbalance.

>>22026244
>As far as the theory goes, it's unwise to focus on daath particularly.

Indeed.

>>22026324
Someone has an obsession.

You should just hang around a men's room and get it out of your system.

>>22026333
Ewww. WTF is that?
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>>22026375
>You should just hang around a men's room and get it out of your system.
Is that advice you gathered from accumulating magic power at a "rapid pace?"
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>>22026412
Sounds like you just got a protip from an ascended master
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>>22026337
Well I look good enough, I became a wizard because life was shitty and I got bad luck, also because I wasted to much time talking to people on the other side of the planet.
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>>22026375
>Crowley was explicitly allowed to open aethyrs above his grade
That's fascinating! I'll definitely have to learn more about that.

>eww wtf is that
>>22026333
>333
I think we already know.
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>>22026671
>I'll definitely have to learn more about that.
see,
>>22022259
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Is "opening your third eye" a thing? If not, how can I become more sensitive to paranormal? The images are so fragile it's frustrating
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>>22027532
It was said upthread. Liber O.
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>>22027532
A Tool fan told me you open it by listening to lots of Tool.
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what pantheon works best when praying to deities?
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>>22027798
You don't need to commit to any one pantheon. You may have a preference, but pick a goal, and then approach a deity particular to the desired prayer outcome.
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>>22027798
Just pray to Satan
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>>22027532
You can do it through meditation. While respecting regular meditation regimen, you also have to acquire a conscious attitude towards life.

Few distractions, eliminate mental garbage, no TV or other mindless media like videogames (because your attention is scattered, those things destroy your consciousness), eat natural, no processed foods, no shitty "food" products or ultra-sugared drinks.
All of those things combined will bring more clarity to your mind and your body.
Read books, strive to read them on paper rather than on screen, you get way more information retention from physical books.

Being more sensitive to "paranormal" starts from cleaning the temple. The temple being your own body, which includes the mind. When your body is in tip top shape, your perception changes itself, which you further boost by regular meditation sessions. The most effective way to meditate is doing it regularly at a specific time (of your choosing), because you basically open your own portal, or build your own "workbench", through which you craft the experience and receive new information from the universe/etc. If you're irregular with meditations they typically just cleanse your mind, which isn't a bad thing either.

I say "paranormal" because it exists around you anyway, you just don't notice it. By cleaning the temple you elevate your consciousness and vibrations, so you're perceptible to things of similar vibrations. It's a long road, and truthfully it never ends. So if you're determined, you can start now. Just don't expect to see changes 10 mins after turning off your TV.
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https://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib3

>0. The Unicorn is speech. Man, rule thy Speech! How else shalt thou master the Son, and answer the Magician at the right hand gateway of the Crown?

1. Here are practices. Each may last for a week or more.

(a) Avoid using some common word, such as “and” or “the” or “but”; use a paraphrase.

(b) Avoid using some letter of the alphabet, such as “t”, or “s”. or “m”; use a paraphrase.

© Avoid using the pronouns and adjectives of the first person; use a paraphrase.

Of thine own ingenium devise others.


This is a good practice for those of us who wish to build discipline.
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>>22028301
I am beginning my practice.
Speech: I am avoiding speaking the word 'but'.
Action: I am avoiding crossing my legs.
Thoughts: I am keeping negative and judgemental thoughts out of my head. Taking it one day at a time but will culminate a week from today.
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How do you figure out when a planet is at its highest?
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>>22027532
"Sigma" opened his
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>>22028364
Maybe it would be better to start with one of the three. If this is your first attempt at this practice, it’s best not to bite off more than you can chew.
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>>22024675
Ape says Uriel appeared as a bright blue flame-like entity.. IIRC, ,more recently, he said Uriel appeared as a golden pillar, or something to that effect. What would explain the discrepancy?
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>>22028397
Perhaps... I had that thought. I wonder tho if just monitoring my speech would be enough? Alone these pose little if any difficulty, with controlling the flow of one's thoughts being the most difficult. Together, however, they pose a challenge that requires one to live in the moment. Thought, motion, and speech are connected after all.
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>>22025038
And you were answered...? Sounds like you lack reading comprehension skills.
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>>22028451
I mean do them all, but start by doing each separately. Ya know, like the instructions say.
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>>22028507
not sure what you are referring to. There are the references to the diagrams in the text and then there is mention of assumption of the godform without a diagram. What's wrong with asking for clarification from people who supposedly know this stuff?
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>>22028526
>And these shalt thou yoke in a triple yoke that is governed by One Whip

sounds like we are supposed to be mindful of all three at all times.
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>>22028388
Highest?

>>22028444
Uriel. Ask him.
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>>22028570
There are images of the “God forms” that are the signs of the GD grade signs in liber O. Sigma has given you further info about the Egyptian gods and their typical stances. Theres nothing wrong with asking something, unless you’ve already been answered multiple times in several different ways. What is there to not understand?

https://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib6

>>22023448
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>>22028616
>Uriel. Ask Him.
What in your experience, would be the best and most direct route of contact? I know you have more experience with this sort of thing than anyone I’m in contact with, so that’s why I ask. I hesitate to use purely GD methods
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>>22028580
Do what you please. Who am I to dare suggest to you what your praxes should look like? I only know what *mine* should look like, and can only make suggestions based on my own limited experience. Then again, why even say anything, if you’re already certain? On a Bangladeshi cow gangraping vBulletin, of all places? Surely you weren’t looking for confirmation or reassurance, based on your later posts. So to what end?
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>>22028580
>>22028739
Furthermore, much like most any other aspect of attainment, it is more important that you succeed in one of the practices at a time than that you do them all at once with good fidelity and poor vigilance. Why do you suppose that image was included?
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>>22028739
>So to what end?
I brought it up bc I think it's interesting and I felt like sharing I guess...

>>22028773
>it is more important that you succeed in one of the practices at a time than that you do them all at once with good fidelity and poor vigilance

True... I guess I like to live dangerously. Honestly, I have a habit of being a hothead so if I need to self impose a rule like that then why not push myself to keep my mind and bod in check? Idk man maybe ill end up with an arm full of cuts...maybe hubris but I like a challenge.
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>>22028816
If you were able to fill your plate so fully, you wouldn’t need to seek approval.
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>>22028902
i am not seeking approval !
i am bringing up a topic for discussion in a general thread, anon.
People earlier were talking about meditation, and building power... this is another way to train mind, speech and body.
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>>22028915
>I’m not seeking approval!
>I just need to justify my motives to random anons on a Himalayan salt water distillation infographic blog
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>>22028939
• × •
why are you like this?
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Is there a difference between astral and ethric, like if i do the straight up rising method that crowley wrote about, do i end up in some random environment or can i use this to just leave my body and snoop around my house.
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>>22028952
Because he's a loser with a small dick, someone told him he was seeking approval and now he tries to vent that negative insecure feeling into others
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Doing a ritual to summon Bael. But I really don't know what to offer him in return for knowledge. I mean I already gave my soul, what can I give him that will entice him into making a deal?
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>>22029013
>I mean I already gave my soul

you must be joking?
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>>22029020
Nah man. What else can I give bro.
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>>22029013
You can offer blood, you can create an altar for him.
According to here:
https://vkjehannum.wordpress.com/2017/07/14/bael-goetia-1/
Frankincense and sandalwood.
I've heard black copal is better for demons, but all kinds of copal are all around good, you can mix your blood with incense as well
I have an altar to King Paimon and I dab my blood on frankincense and copal and also light him myrrh and any other incense he asks of me
Once you put something related to Bael like a sigil on a table, it's an altar, it doesn't need to be too extravagant to start, you can build it
I
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>>22029020
do demons even want souls anymore? theyre like a dime a dozen
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>>22029049
When I was kneeling in front of Pamonic altar, meditating as the incense and being pulled into he yellow candles trance, he says ''get your guitar'' explaining that my music was why the demons exalt me as elite
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>>22029005
haha...."the irish curse"...
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>>22029042

You assume that you have a soul, and what do you even mean by ''soul'' here, you need to get down on some proper metaphysics senpai. Under what framework are you thinking you can offer up this vague essence to some demon boi for knowledge.

There is no magical operation I am aware of, which involves giving up your theoretical soul, in reality, save for pop-culture and missinfo.

>Nah man. What else can I give bro.
Go into the mega link in OP, and learn to evoke properly.
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>>22029068
Thanks for the advice.
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>>22029068
I think it basically means he dedicated this life to Bael. Which is fine.
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>>22029112

How is that fine? How does that even make sense, when you can just bind the entity, deliver your demand and let it depart. I assume he's talking about the one in the goetic writings.
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>>22029068
>>22029112
Means whatever it meant to him
I would think twice about going back on any promise or offering.
Satan is my eternal saviour from the darkness of gross matter and mundane existence, so I swore allegiance to him, we will always be allies for as long as my spirit exists, so eternally
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So is there just the one guy pushing V.K. Jahannam or is this a concerted effort?
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Has anybody heard from Bluefluke since he went in to rehab?

Is he sending out those tarot cards, or did i get scammed?
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>>22029122
Well he's gotta take it up with Bael, and ask him whatever he wants to know. Maybe he'll release him from any obligations
I don't see any harm from it, Bael won't do him wrong if he's worthy
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>>22029143
>Bael won't do him wrong if he's worthy
And he most likely won't do him any harm*. What demons are know to do, from what the reports I've researched and some own experiences is turn your life upside down if you are vague and open yourself to whatever power they desire over your life. But once you pass the trials things become way better.
If it wasn't for the gods doing that, who knows, I could be a loser living with my parents past 18
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>>22029139
>did i get scammed
Well you thought bluefluke was a good beginner's guide, so that's a given.
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>>22029162

The artwork is fun.
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>>22029174
You could just use screenshots from Invader Zim if that's what you're interested in.
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I heard angels like the straights, can I still get one to fuck me if I'm a man? Re Ida Craddock
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>>22028673
It's been forever. I think I evoked Uriel at solar midnight, on a Friday. A dual op, on Friday and Saturday would work.

I probably used the earth form of Saturn, evoking. Uriel is big, and stuck down here, and not particularly happy about it.

>>22028996
You can snoop around your house with the same method.

>>22029049
Heh.

>>22029135
One loser. Matt Lawrence flogs his shit too.
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>>22029266
Dude you have a tiny dick and no girls respect you, don't even use the word loser you literal cuck
EA doesn't even post here and a few people post about VK you fucking retarded joke. Not much of a psychic are you? Weak pathetic worm
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I know EA doesn't post here because I'm the only one here smart enough to see he's legit
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>>22029295
Heh. Keep fucking that chicken, kid.
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>>22029307
>>22029295
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>>22029307
who's EA?
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>>22029322
Meth addict and carpet cleaner.
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>>22029329
k. how old is this EA?
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>>22029343
Guess.
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>>22029377
34
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>>22029392
He's an ageless character, the one in every bad occult movie, the loser who pledges his life to some demon. They're used like a snot rag then thrown in the trash. His ride's just begun.
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>>22029406
Go fuck your jewish god. The demons are pagan gods of old. Fuck your mindless racist semitic supremacist bullshit
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>>22029322
ONA reject who couldn't hack it.
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>>22029406
lame. where I can watch his descent into madness?
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>>22029416
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>>22029425
Jewtube
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>>22029416
ok but they got their power from the sacrifices of children. you really think they've toned it down? nah, that's just their good side.
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>>22029459
They didn't murder innocents in the name of the jewish god? Of course they did, far more.
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Read the bible and you will see who the real piece of shit is. It's not the Devil or Lucifer
Hail Satan!
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>>22029416
>it's bad to think jews are the superior race with the superior god
This is your mind on /pol/
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>>22029465
that created something else.
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>>22029508
What gods do you pray to?
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I will evoke Crom for courage and strength
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zDM8XakVpU
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crom_(fictional_deity)
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>>22029514
none in particular. all of them, as I've come across them. more of a focus on kali/shiva lately.
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>>22029489
If you think god's a piece of shit you're probably just butthurt that you don't get the joke
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>>22029538
>It's useless to call upon Crom, because he is a gloomy and savage god who despises the weak.
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>>22029416
What kind of weakling kneels before a slave of the pit?

>>22029425
Right here, seems like.

>>22029597
And fictional. You might as well call upon She-Ra.

>>22031034
Same sad little weakling.

Also proves these fuckers can't read.
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>>22031034
Someone should honestly shoot all the balg cucks. Buncha insufferable cunts.
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I don't know if it's the right place for asking, but can you recommend me some books for lifeloving satanists other than the ones written by the CoS charlatans, would that exist?
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>>22028952
Did you just want to post and get no response? If not, what kind of response were you hoping for?
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>>22029049
>VK Jehannum
>Is being shilled yet again
>right after I posted in another thread about how Koetting and VK have been shilled to death on /x/, lately
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Is there anything Christian in the OP?
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>>22031169
>avocating violence against people different than you
You're as bad as a Muslim, nigger.
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>>22031946
Sure.
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>>22029266
Thanks for the rec on Uriel.
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>>22031956
I forgot this general is complete garbage lol.
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>>22029266
What do you think about the Seal of Uriel in the Grimoire Armadel?
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>>22031978
Great contribution. What are you looking for specifically, if you're
>>22031946
?
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>>22031952
Stay mad, balg cuck
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>>22014263
Fuck off, kike.
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>>22032116
Wrong, I think EA is a faggot but I'm not calling for his followers to be killed like a raging l sandnigger with no impulse control
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>>22032194
Getting stabbed 23 times isn't good enough for varg. He deserves much worse. Euronymous was 100 times the musician he is. Varg couldn't compose good music if his life depended on it.
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>>22032198
It's not an impulse, there's a careful analysis behind the sentiment. You're just a pussy, like them. Maybe you need the rope too?
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>>22032209
You're a fucking faggot.
>caring what some retard occultist does that doesn't affect you
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>>22032388
Looks like you're doing the same.
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>>22032585
He's directly replying to me and I'm not calling for his death. Hardly comparable.
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>>22031973
You're welcome.

>>22031978
You should feel right at home, then.

>>22031992
I don't think I have used it. There may be another in The Key of Solomon.
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>>22032751
When opening the Watchtowers, do you use the names of the Kings? I seem to remember you saying you think they're a bit big, but not sure what that was in reference to?
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>>22032764
Yes, I use the names of the kings. They're unavoidable when establishing the hierarchy, or chain of command.

I don't usually call them specifically, beyond acknowledging their existence.
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>>22032812
Ok, thanks for clearing that up. I assumed they had to be recognized in some manner in order to "set things up". On another note, is there any relation, however tenuous, between LIGDISA and the Headless God?
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>>22032826
I don't see how, and certainly wouldn't expect it. Seniors aren't gods.
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>>22032826
Headless as in Bornless?
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>>22032967
I know they aren't gods, I just wasn't sure if there was an etymological relation
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>>22033043
One would assume but I can't speak for him.
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>>22033075
Someone seems to think so, but I haven't looked at it.

It's difficult to get anything out of a single senior. They work much better in groups. I never called less than 6 at a time.

They're the seniors from Revelation, so not really gods.
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>>22033189
As in the 24 Elders?
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>>22033218
Yes.
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>>22033219
Christians sure are desperate to imply that those beings aren't angels when they do Bible study, but why?
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>>22033249
Becuase they have a very narrow, subjective definition of "Angel" that is dependent on context and feels? Just taking a guess though, as I havent't discussed such things with such people.
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>>22033189
Can one summon PARAOAN without opening the Aethyr he Governs?
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>>22033249
>Christians sure are desperate

Says it all.

>>22033345
I haven't tried. I should think not. We both opened the aethyr and built him up through a square working.
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>>22033383
Which GD papers detail how a square working operates? i see them mentioned often but know little about how they are done.
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>>22033396
I should have to look. I learned directly from David Jones.
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>>22033249
Pop Christianity is way more prevalent than anything rooted in actually reading and comprehending their holy texts.
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>>22033424
Please do if you get the time. I will skim them as well, but I suspect you are more likely to be successful than myself, considering your knowledge and experience. Or if you feel up to banging out a summary, that would be most welcome. But I don't feel I'm in any position to make such a request. Whatever you do, thank you for all your contributions thus far. I really, truly appreciate when you are so helpful to us much less knowledgeable folk; I know I'm not the only one.
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>>22033428
Can't blame the masses for being exoteric
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>>22033609
You're most welcome. I'll see what I can do.
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>>22032198
It's because he's butthurt I know they're cucks with small dicks and no magickal power or real solid results
> I think EA is a faggot
>no magickal power
Like you evidently



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