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What are the spiritual ramifications of watching porn and masturbating?
It's surprising why there's very little science pointing in either direction regarding whether or not it's actually unhealthy for men to ejaculate.
The Taoists believed that the male libido is actually a chi/prana fountain that should be left untouched.
They believed men died earlier than women (they do) because of their ejaculations in later years.
I feel a lot better when I practice semen retention, but I sometimes still look at porn.
Is it true that fapping diminishes the soul? Is porn bad to view?
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>Is porn bad to view?
Of course it is, why do you think it's pushed so hard on people's faces and in subliminal everywhere?

It should be eradicated.
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Fapping releases energy, if you do it thinking of a girl you like it may be beneficial in relationship sense, its the simplest form of sex magic and natural. There are benefits to doing it and not doing it. Looking at porn connects you to existing egregores and is equilevant to rubbing your dick against a million other dicks in the spiritual sense. This image should help you move away from it, no need to thank me.
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>>21854938
>My body that i dub a temple yearns to experience sensual pleasures of erotic nature, should i feel bad about it daddy?
Body is a good servant but a bad master with that in mind tame your body and you can taste the fruits rotten and ripe without worries
Sex is not bad, being addicted to any form of sensual pleasure is because that becomes your only focus and you pave your way to getting more and more of it and lose sight of the other colors and flavors and will have hard time letting it go and will be in pain when you are without it
>>21855953
>rubbing your dick against a million other dicks in the spiritual sense
You are gay, no need to thank me
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>>21855985
I laughed, so thanks anyways.
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>>21855999
three same numbers
There is nothing laughable about homosexuality, look for the root of your tendency to imagine men doing sexual acts together in your terminology (rubbing dicks together for example) and realize these come from within, you adopted these words and made them your own because your unconscious bias towards that kind of thing, if you do not keep your eye on your shadow they will play pranks on you, ruminate and cope
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>>21856002
I understand why you would think so, but I was merely describing how public thoughtforms work and gave a visual example of it related to porn. I do not think being gay itself is laughable, but your way of wording it humored me. I have a very visual understanding of the spirit realm because of having experiences in it. Take my word for it or dont, but if you keep insisting on knowing my unconscious preferences, this will go nowhere.
t schizo
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>>21856012
I was going to write out a one up but then i realized it was not reliable data so i typed out this instead, enjoy your visual experiences of the place you have dubbed spirit realm
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>>21854938
It's essential to never look at porn or masturbate.
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>>21856024
The experiences are not purely visual, but the visuals are very stunning and left the biggest impression on me. I sense alot of hostility from your posts, especially this last one, if something is troubling you, do share. I plan on enjoying it so thanks.
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>>21854938
The same way most adult men are not really mature I am unsure I have seen sexual function ever.

The soul is sometimes a torture method in an operation operated by a goes. In other times it is evidence of divinity or the first sign of health.
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>>21856036
You misinterpret, it is not hostility you are sensing just my egoism, the place you speak of sounds a lot like a place i like to call thought-o sphere (as the name implies it is the place where thoughts manifest) it can also be called dream world, a fascinating place but there is more to life than this and that
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>>21856045
Then we talk of the same place, anon. I call it spirit realm, because I have met spirits there. I live way out in the boonies and there are more nice beings close to the forests. My first out-of-body experience was through a sleep paralysis where a being pulled me out to help me get a feel for the detachment stage. I am fine if people do not accept my perspective on it, and it is a world mutable by thought so that is a very nice word for it. Dreams sure are related to this world, but it does not merely exist in our heads. Most dreams of most people are more focused on the inner so the things and people in our dreams are mostly thoughtforms conjured by the self, but you can also meet other souls in dreams, some people more often than others. I hope this makes some kind of sense, I have not learned much of this by studying.
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>>21856071
Many names same place, i haven't gone there in a while my experiences are very limited but i had one very weird experience that was enough to put me off of any kind of internal exploration, but the system will take revenge on the spawn killers if not then i will at least make sure they take their karma that is due
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Probably lesser than the 'spiritual ramifications' of forcing another entity into existing in this shitspace merely because you were a slave to causality
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>>21856093
>forcing another entity into existing in this shitspace merely because you were a slave to causality
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>>21856093
Oh trust me we will all get a big smile at the end of all of this, a pyre of masks is coming and a new age of existence
https://youtu.be/6AcDDc3JUJU
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>>21856080
Yes, it is an increasingly hostile place, as reflected by the waking side of things, or possibly the other way around, chicken and egg. My worst experiences happened when I was starting out with it, but they were merely attracted towards me because I had yet to deal with a number of internal problems and I was too keen on the technical execution of the meditation techniques. It took me around a year of focus on mental and physical health to get a more fluffy ride. I am not saying it is of your own doing, I do believe there exists pure malicious intent that we do not have much control over, so I feel for you if you have met something sinister on that side. Just as we put out waves of energy with our thoughts and feelings, we can be hit by all kinds of waves originating from who knows where. Try to make your home and daily practice more beautiful to the senses, with houseplants, herbal teas, incense and such. This should add some layers of protection without much dogma involved. I know it sounds like retarded hippy mumbo but I think it works. Power to you, anon.
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>>21856109
All i know is that i will feast on them for what they did to me and make the pure, the cowards can try to spawn kill but they will be pure energy after i am through with them, no matter where i will have to hunt them they will pay
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Weird how theres two egos vying for dominance in this thread as if its going to deeply validate either one of them. Anyways dont masturbate or watch porn! It depletes your body of physiological, measurably vital nutrients, and thus, energy; which then can be seen as ambition. Be good to your self and view porn as a drug, a bad drug, like meth or krokodil, and feel bad about watching it, like youre betraying yourself and your ancestors. I am working my way out of an addiction to it over a decade long and its changed my life.
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>>21856141
>big space daddy doesn't like it when you touch your wee wee, also think about bunch of dead people while you're at it
No thanks, ill just eat well and continue to beat my meat to my leisure within confines of modesty and reason
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>>21856141
I do not think we were fighting for dominance, but when 2 people only have anecdotal evidence to offer for their perspectives, it will often get a bit messy. I think I gave and gained from the discussion, and it is all that matters when this thread eventually disappears. It was my intention to put into words the flow of energy in the mystical aspect of sexual nature. I did show my ego a bit too much though when explaining how I know what I know, I am by no means a transcending saint. But I am convinced I have some understanding of how this works so I was motivated to keep my ground. Your post is correct about the topic though, thanks for the input.
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>>21856164
I am pretty far from saint but that is just because i've seen the duality as the meme that it is, all of the judgement is the judgement of self and i try to offer people ways that allow them to eventually reach that as well
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>>21856159
based and not-schizo pilled
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>>21854938
Its makws you content in doing nothing. You are better of pursuing some form of self development.
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>>21856176
regress to egress
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>>21856169
>duality is a meme

this is the meme i'm getting sick of. the universe is duality. positive and negative, particle and wave. the true beauty of reality comes when two parts of a dual unite to make one unit, greater than their individual qualities put together.
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>>21856193
Without that you reach the pure state of being which is not what 99% of people want, constant overflowing bliss and perfection, sounds great right? think of that for eternity and you realize why you are here
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masturbating to porn takes a toll on your mental health over a long period of time. i think it's just better and far more rewarding using your imagination and thinking about real girls. cucks and stuff are guys who have watched too much porn, so if that doesn't speak to the harmfulness of porn i don't know what does
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>>21856203
Yes and watching dicks makes you gay
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>>21856199
>think of that for eternity

i've thought about it a lot. when this is the alternative... well, i know what choice i'd make. have made, even.
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>>21854938
>Watching porn
Little to none. However, the way you apply symbolism and meaning to said porn and your reality does of course affect you.

>Masturbation
What's "harmful" is the investment of libido and the aesthetic release from suffering. Philosophy and spirituality put a lot of emphasis on 'will' and 'desire' because they are the core components for not just spiritual practice but for 'human practice' itself. Understanding the Libidinal flows, Oedipal dams and breaks, and potentials for spreading the flows to new places is important.

If we jack off, we reinforce what is usually a VERY well maintained Oedipal dam, and a continuous cycle of 'futile' libido. This is the whole reason it's 'harmful'. There's no "creative energy" in sperm which depletes us or anything silly like that, though that was obviously a convenient reasoning before this was so well understood.

Second off, sinful. Sin is that which distances that from "God", this isn't in a religious reference. Metaphysically, God/Yang/etc sexes Sophia/Yin in a fairly specific way(which could be called missionary in the front hole with the lights off for the purpose of procreation), therefore to sex otherwise would be different from God and distance ourselves from him, from Godliness. Not that this is at all important in my opinion - I don't care to join in union with God.

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>>21856169
I thought it was a fine discourse. You're both great.

>>21856193
That's why duality is merely perceptual and not 'real.' Antimony - synthesis - always ends up revealing the illusion.

>>21856220
I'll always choose suffering for universal compassion over suffering for personal bliss. No contest.
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>>21856255
Very informative post. I am the million dicks dude, its funny because I was born on 25/5, in regards to your digits. Thanks.
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>>21856045
>thought-o sphere
I like that.
Gonna steal it.
Thanks a lot.
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>>21856255
there's nothing personal about my choice, universal compassion is the ultimate conclusion to universal wholeness. but choosing to suffer chooses suffering for others, in that the virtue you have becomes a detriment when everybody has it.
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What if I have sex on a regular basis with my partner? Is that as bad as jacking off? What if she gives me a handjob? And if it isn't, why should it make a difference?
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>>21856264
Feel free to do so, words are weak and can't be owned
>>21856272
Intent, action, reaction
Intent i wish to release pent up desires
Action i do X sexual activity with someone else
Reaction we do the deed and my seed spews out depleting some of my consumed energy etc from food and drinks
Simplistic answer to it which usually tends to be closest to the truth
Just like universe could be explained by motion and harmony of tiny things moving in patterns
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>>21856267
>but choosing to suffer chooses suffering for others, in that the virtue you have becomes a detriment when everybody has it.
Could you elaborate a little on this anon?
Cy
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>>21854938
It's an energy drain. You are sending your energy to pornhub and whatever thot you are fapping to. Pornhub is basically a loosh farm.
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>>21856363
>loosh
Why eat breadcrumbs that fall off of the table when you can stick your mouth on the slurpie machine and drink your fill for free? You are surrounded by energy if you dibs just learned how to harness it and respect it
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>>21856329
by choosing to suffer, you believe you embody a virtue. you believe it is better for others to live virtuously. therefore you believe it is better for everybody to suffer, and what was virtue becomes transformed into the apex of it's polar opposite.
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>>21856475
Pain is the liberation of the mind, judgement of other is the judgement of self, virtue is a pov and good and evil are binary think traps
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>>21856477
jungian psychology has got to be one of the most destructive collection of ideas ever concieved.
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>>21856501
conceive this, there is nothing but that thinker, prove me wrong
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>>21856509
the burden of proof is on you to prove yourself right. all of jung's ideas have been weaponized to totally dismiss criticisms. the endpoint of this thinking is nothing but naricissism and solipsism.
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>>21856519
Everything that you know and sense comes to the internal through external senses, the sound that you hear is interpreted through the ear organ and transmitted to your brain / mind
Follow this train of thought through all the senses and you realize your meat body is hindering you and only the thinker can be proven to exist and even that is fallible to delusion and hallucinations
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>>21856542
without those senses we wouldn't even be having this conversation. there is no truer delusion than denial.
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>>21856561
>without these crutches we would not be able exist, we would fall into the great below that the moaning once speak of, the place of great pain and hard and sharp sensations on the skin, lets make these crutches deified to give them the proper respect for holding us up
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>>21856581
>I say my leg is not broken, therefore it is not broken.
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>>21856614
>without language we have no way of communicating
Sometimes when we lose senses other senses are amplified to compensate, what do we get when we remove all the senses we know daily and are drown in?
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>>21856625
hell
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>>21856646
Creepy.
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>>21856646
Haha, if you think of that as hell then you make that your own personal hell
Poetic justice to the one who defiles its beauty
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>>21856654
I really hope you get what you want one day.
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>>21856661
I will, and when i have that i will eventually grow bored of it, then i will either remember something else i want or something new i want and i will go to that, at the very end of it all i will choose to become the paint instead of the painter, or the canvas which ever suits me and the cycle begins a new
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A lot of retards in this thread trying to sound smart. Don't do PMO, it's bad for you, end of. This has been proven in scientific research, written in occult material and confirmed by many normal guys by simply trying it. All and any justification you have to try and convince yourself otherwise for the simple brief instant gratification from the dopamine rush just spells out that you R E T A R D E D.
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>>21854938

It stains the soul anon, as well as your bed sheets.
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>>21856306
>release from suffering
Can confirm. When I'm feeling like shit, I'll go take a wank to feel better aftewards if I can't take a nap
I want to stop this, though. I feel bad everyday for reasons that only exist inside of my head. I guess it would be better to release my frustration in other means
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I really distrust a lot of the nofap propaganda because I can't believe that ejaculation is only experienced in 1 way for everyone.
For example I had sexual trauma when I was a child. My sex drive became very warped as a result of abuse. This ended up manifesting in actual biological ways with hormone issues, I didn't hit puberty until I was in my late teens, I was even taken to the doctor for it when my parents realized I wasn't developing normally.
It took me a long time to come to terms with my sexuality. I just denied it for so long. Eventually I realized that it wasn't healthy to pretend like it wasn't a part of me and human life.
I never figured out how to masturbate properly until I was 26. It was very difficult for me but the way I experienced it is that I used my sexual energy and desire to heal myself of my trauma.
Now when I masturbate I feel a sense of empowerment because I am in control of a normal sex drive that responds to typical sexual stimulation. Most normies who started watching porn to be edgy when they were 11 can't even imagine what I have gone through and why their nofap ideology isn't impressive or convincing to me.
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>>21855953
>masturbating
>"magicghk"
imagine going to a kids birthday party and the magician starts beating his dick
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>>21858171
Well, your fapping sounds like a way to free yourself of emotional chains. Many people use fapping to fall into a pit of emotional chains and then call it a conspiracy after they've tangled themselves up.
If you know what heals you, just take the opportunity to laugh at the angry people who don't know any better.
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>>21854938
>believed
It has nothing to do with what you believe, but your very state of consciousness.
https://discord.gg/kHcy5H3
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>>21858139
>Transcending the Human Conditions of Conflict
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/schopenhauer/#5
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I think aside from "orgasm" in itself, the endless appeal of sexuality is that it represents a state of "arousal". And many of those other states of arousal or heightened stimulation have been cut off from us.

Think of our ancestors or ancient people who would go to war in a frenzy, religious ceremonies, trance, dancing and rituals, music, mind altering drugs, all in an attempt to reach that heightened state of arousal or stimulation.

Fast forward to now, how few of those opportunities exist. Sex seems to be one of those outlets that still allows us to experience that state of visceral Excitement of the body.
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>>21858994
Straightforward, fresh take right here
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>>21858994
just dont fap everyday or excessively. theres nothing wrong with haveing a wank, when i orgasm i imagine cumming in a girl who is attractive to me, i end up seeing girls like that throughout the week. everything in moderation, plus i would be fucking my gf instead of masturbating if i had one
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>>21856475
Well, I take a very Buddhist conception of suffering and virtue in the sense that living virtuously is synonymous with reducing suffering / dukkha (both for yourself and others.) I suffer immensely, and while you could say on an ultimate level that's because I've chosen this, since I am as of yet not living life on that ultimate level I don't exactly think it's fair to say that I want this. I actually totally believe that more people need to live virtuously than they currently are, from our relativistic perspective anyway, otherwise we will destroy ourselves.
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hero's journey
>pirate ship
>indians
>airport
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>>21854938
Or having fewer orgasms leads to a higher chance of prostate cancer.
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I think it's worthwhile to mention that being able to overcome the desire to give over your consciousness to an act that is degrading to the spirit and gives base pleasure rewards in exchange for the energy you send to an industry that is clearly damaging to both the viewer and the viewed, is a great strength. The willpower you cultivate by abstaining from these debasing acts will ultimately make you a more desirable mate... Because if you are honest with yourselves, you know that the flesh and blood act when preformed correctly is a divine act and will give you ecstacy beyond anything your digital fantasies could provide you.

As a woman, I cannot respect men who don't have the strength or will to preserve their energy and instead squander it in childish unconscious fapping for whatever justification they may have. If it is a true goddess incarnate you desire (it is) then know that from the female perspective, it is completely repulsive... We can fucking smell it on you.

To experience the divine gifts that union with a real woman (or man) can offer you, get out of the playground. Show your strength. Prove your worth.
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>>21860009
>As a woman
Stop larping
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>>21860242
All the pathetic larping that takes place on this board... and simply being a woman causes disbelief.

Admit to yourself that you simply don't want to hear what I have shared. It is my truth, your mind can play whatever tricks it wants to stop you from absorbing this information, but your heart does feel it my friend... Whether or not you have the courage to bridge that to your conscious mind depends on your strength, I hope you find it.
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Yo, what's up guys (and gals presumably?)

Just gonna add my 2 cents here.

I started watching porn and jerking off like a madman probably from the age of 18 to 25. Definitely addiction territory. 3+ hour binge sessions. It redirected a lot of my mental and physical "interests" toward the object of desire, i.e. the computer screen.

Whatever tendencies of introversion I may have had initially were definitely magnified by the pursuit. Once I heard about nofap around 2014 or so I started playing around with periods of abstinence. I already had a background in "energy work" from personal experience and noticed that both my mood and energetic flow tended to have some major shifts by abstaining from masturbation or fantasy a week or more.

It feels like the quality of my consciousness changes when I remain abstinent. This jives with the stuff I've read from Taoists and Hindus about semen retention/non-lusting?

Now, it is possible that this may be a perceived result of the dopamine reset combined with stabilizing the hormonal fluctuation that comes with periodic ejaculation. (There's a flip that switches each time you ejaculate, it's a negative feedback mechanism. It keeps you from being able to ejaculate indefinitely AKA "the refractory period")

As much as I've wanted to find a work around to have my cake and eat it too (have a spiritual/mental discipline and indulge sexual excess) I don't think it can be done in this incarnation I am inhabiting.
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>>21860009

No thanks. You can prove your worth to me.

Good luck!
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Lmao @ this thread. There's nothing magical about your jizz. Abstaining from ejaculation just increases your prostate cancer.
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>>21860269

The fact that you have literally nothing to offer a man who actually does have the willpower to avoid the pornographic whore of Babylon is proof that no act or state of goddess anything has ever graced you with even the base understanding of what it is.

Do not claim that you can be both repulsed by a weakness and be a or the goddess.

Do not claim to know anything of the goddess if you are still spending your time being abhorred by the weak willed or imagining some backwards fucking world where any being has any need to prove anything to you on any level.

Cut your fucking pedestal if you ever want to experience the Divine gift that the goddess holds for you when you you cute your vanity, or any of the Divine love that the god can offer for those seeking refuge from people like you.
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>>21861089
You don't know anything about cancer or science you fucking queer.

There's no guarantee you get or don't get cancer for almost everyone. Maybe if prostate cancer runs in your family. But there's all SORTS of cancers you can die from even if you are healthy.
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>>21861091
You know nothing of me. Weakness has it's place, so relax, there is no judgement here. What I experience is simply an energetic repulsion in the search for a viable mate. I am on no pedestal, this is your own bitterness warping your perspective. I have asked no one to prove anything to me as an individual, I am suggesting that you prove your will and worth to yourselves, so that you may be strong and confident.

To react so violently as you have, to see me as an enemy and go straight to the attack suggests you are still fighting yourself.

To claim that you KNOW anything about another's relationship to the goddess is a completely empty attack, know this. I have claimed nothing, your mind is tricking you. I suggest you take steps to understand the anger that is inside yourself, because you look like a fool spewing it all over someone who is here with nothing but positive advice.
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>>21860009
agree
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>>21854938
Masturbation is throwing away your lifeforce energy and divides you from your love(s). Do not do.
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>>21861628
>divides you from your love

THIS. For those of you in committed relationships... Pay heed
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>>21855953
Distnat fireworks ligth up in the idnsta

:)
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Well here is my problem...I love to masturbate.
Because, from my earliest memory, I have a highly specific erotic fantasy that I will almost certainly not be able to reenact in real life with a partner because it is simply a bit embarrassing and cringey and almost impossible to explain. So I stare at pictures of attractive women on my computer screen and in my head I imagine them in my narrative erotic structure. I do this for hours every day. Often I catfish to get others to help build the narrative for me. My experience of all of this is positive. The powerful orgasms are the highlight of each day. I always look at the load in the tissue with a sense of satisfaction.
Perhaps the most enjoyable part is the post-orgasm clarity and peace that follows, and the very subtle dull afterglow at the tip of the urethra.
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>>21856670
So much fun is ahead of us.
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>>21862276
Well now I got to know wtf your fetish is



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