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Two (Point Two) of Three.

Direct follow-up thread to Star Trek Thread No.2, which has hit the bump- and image-limit: >>2269518
Sibling thread to
Star Trek Thread No. 1 (TOS/TAS/TOS-movies): >>2269505
and Start Trek Thread No. 3 (Kelvinverse/DISCO/upcoming stuff): >>2269530


This thread is dedicated to TNG (+TNG-movies), DS9, VOY and ENT.
Post away, folks. But let's not make this a repost-fest – the old thread is still up, after all.
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As usual, a bit of behind-the-scenes stuff. This time for DS9.
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>>2361087
>>2361089
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if only...
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>>2363631
Wow, that actually sounds fantastic, now I'm depressed
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Just some TNG-related behind-the-scenes bits and pieces; concept art, camera tests etc.
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>>2363957
That camera test was to see how the surfaces and lights would look on the screen?
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>>2364117
Exactly. For example, if you look at the shot where the guy is holding a phaser to the camera, you can see that the communicator badge he's wearing is not the prop that was eventually used on the show (it's not one of the three seen in the comm badge lighting test either, for that matter): The gold-coloured oval is a much lighter shade than what they would ultimately settle on, the result being that the arrowhead-part and the oval part are hardly distinguishable. At TV resolution the different colours probably wouldn't have been distinguishable AT ALL.
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>>2365247
I-I didn't think TNG could possibly get anymore comfy.
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>>2365247
Awesome!
>>2364110
Beyond awesome!
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>>2364110
Little fun fact about Jonathan Frakes' trademark "Captain Morgan stance" during bridge-scenes: There were two reasons why he would typically put his leg up somewhere while standing on the bridge. Firstly, just like Patrick Stewart, Frakes was plagued by constant back pain during the first seasons, mostly brought forward by the tight-fitting costumes that wreaked havoc on the two actors' posture (according to Patrick Stewart, however, the first version of the redesigned costumes, that they would wear only in the first few episodes of season three – they're easily distinguishable from the final version by the two visible seams running down the front part – were even worse in that regard) and would put up his leg to alleviate the pain.

Secondly, Frakes was the tallest regular cast member besides Michael Dorn. But unlike Dorn, who was mostly sitting down during bridge-scenes in the first season and standing at the tactical console in later seasons, Frakes oftentimes had to stand next to cast mates who were sitting; so in order to get the shots right, he basically had to lean into the frame. Putting up his leg, he could avoid constantly bending down or crouching, which would've looked kinda stupid.
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Lavar, I just wish
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>>2366263
I thought this was Michael Dorn for a moment
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POGO - Data & Picard
Without a doubt in the top three of all Star Trek Parodies
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>>2363655
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Does anyone have the webm of the ending to ENT with Picard, Kirk, and Archer all saying the monologue?
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>>2368096
pretty good
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>>2374569
cool ending...
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>>2365247
C O Z Y
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>>2367600
Terrifying
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>>2363655
Never fails to excite me.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgneH8IIO1A

the entire tribute
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>>2361086
What is with the synchronicity of everyone liking Star Trek lately?
I coincidentally started watching it and liked it and now it's like everyone does.
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>>2386569
It's been arguably the most popular sci-fi franchise on the planet for generations, and new ones are coming out (even if, thus far, they've been more generic action sci-fi, and Star Trek only in branding).
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>>2365247
long kek
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>>2386569
>decided to finally watch DS9 a year or two ago
>suddenly saw constant Star Trek threads around the site every time I sat down to watch episodes

It was freaky.
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>>2385376
>In a part of space where there are few rules, it's more important than ever that we hold fast to our own.
This... From goddamn fucking Janeway, of all people.

Granted, I suppose it's better than Mary Sue's speech, after they threatened to blow up the Klingon homeworld and then handed the planet destroying device over to a bunch of murderous religious zealots for the sake of their own survival.
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>>2396113
DARMOK AND JALAD AT TANAGRA
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bangp
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>>2376775
>>2378172
>we live in a timeline where ENT only had 4 seasons and voyager had 7
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>>2365247
Kino.
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>>2412560
well, ENT started at a time when you simply couldn't grant a show a period of grace – a phenomenon that's obviously even more prevalent right now that most "TV" shows don't have 25 to 30 epsiodes per season anymore but rather eight to ten.
Discovery with its 15-episode first season (originally 13) was already quite the oddity.
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>>2414977
When I was a kid, 30 episodes/season was standard. When my mum was a kid, it was 54.

Guess it won't be long before 3 episodes per season is the standard. Seems it already is, for some shows in the UK.
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>>2415012
Isn't The Black Mirror like 5 episodes per season? Hell, that Castlevania series on Netflix was only four, and they were barely 30 minutes long.
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>>2399175
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>>2417938
>and they were barely 30 minutes long
Yeah, they just stuck to anime-length there. What kinda pissed me off was that they didn't even conclude HALF a story-arc in those four episodes. Ah well, the 2nd season is going to have a whopping EIGHT episodes apparently.
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>>2415012
Well, there ARE designated miniseries and the BBC has been producing those pretty much since the beginning of entertainment television. Note that in the UK you will oftentimes hear the terms "series" and "season" being used interchangeably (with "series" actually being the more common term)
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So, who's in the mood for some... Klingon Opera?
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>>2426201
I can jam to this
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>>2426978
And the song goes on for quite a while. I just had to shorten it in order for the video not to look like shit (and I thought "It's stimulating, wouldn't you say?" – "NO!" was a pretty good line to end on).
Full song:
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>>2426197
I think I'd prefer Breen nursery rhymes
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>>2426201
of course, where there's a Worf Song there's gotta be this eternal classic...
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>>2428692
The last "mandatory" TNG-song (out-of-universe, that is; in-universe of course you can't do without "Heart of Oak" and "A British Tar")
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>>2363655
This whole scene leading up to the confrontation with the Borg is some of the best scenes in the entire two-parter. You look at someone like Capt. Picard, an unshakable and thoroughly experienced commander who's seen more than his fair share of shit and been nearly killed numerous times, and yet there he is, pacing around nervously on the bridge like a teenager waiting to get in trouble with his parents. Imagine being a junior officer or enlisted crewman and going to the Enterprise having heard all these stories about the great, unsinkable Jean-Luc Picard, and then to see him pacing here, and touring the ship later in the episode, which is even more foreboding. As Guinan notes, touring the ship was an old maritime tradition typically undertaken before a battle one considered unwinnable. If I was a crewman in Engineering or Ten Forward and saw Picard acting like that, I'd be absolutely shitting myself.

/blog
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>>2431989
>A British Tar
gotcha! Man, that scene was so fucking stupid... I mean: If it takes two button-pushes to get to that very specific set of lyrics, wouldn't you think they could just transmit an instrumental sing-along version of the song (instead of having to sing themselves). Data's singing along appears to be "compulsory" no matter what. Besides: As mentioned before, they get to "HMS Pinafore" with two button-pushes on the navigation console, yet Worf has to go to the back of the shuttle to activate the docking clamps?

Wait... am I complaining about the stupidity of Star Trek: Insurrection? My brain must either be fucked or have travelled back in time to 1998 (when complaining about that movie was still a thing to do).
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>>2436807
>Insurrection
Just for a comparison: 1. Original VFX from that movie (1998)
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>>2438926
2. Modern-day fan-made VFX (2011)
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At its time, DS9's 'Promenade' was the largest permanent set ever built for a TV series. The most complex too – it actually even had a working "turbolift" (well... just a lift, obviously) which however was seen in action in only one episode: 2x11 "Rivals" (a rather silly but still very watchable episode, if you ask me)
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>>2443755
The set occupied an entire soundstage (Paramount Stage 17), curving in a 120-degree arc.
It contained the visible part of the promenade's two levels, as well as Quark's bar, Odo's security office and the foremost part of DS9's infirmary.
The holding cells seen in a couple of episodes were also built on the same soundstage, but not at the location that they're supposed to be in on the show. They were not adjacent to Odo's office, but rather on the opposite side, right next to one of the "airlocks". They were still connected to the rest of the set for easy transfer, but the two little corridors leading out of Odo's office and those leading into the holding cell area actually led nowhere.
Despite the enormous size of the set it was obviously still only one portion of what was supposed to be a much larger part of the station, hence they went to great lengths to make the set look like it stretched on for quite a bit. Most notably through painted extensions to the upper levels even though in some episodes, you can tell that a shot or two was set up in a hurry because the camera is not angled correctly in relation to the paintings and the promenade's upper level seems to have a strange slope or "tilt" to it.
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>>2440664
biggest boner achieved, I like seeing the Constituion class as a warship
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Boy, I could fill up folders and entire threads with great moments from TNG's "middle-seasons"
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>>2446254
or this Season 2-gem
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Break out the prune juice, faggots. It's time to PAAARTAAAY!
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>>2444857
Okay, just the starship (exterior) scenes then – in (reasonably) higher definition!

Sadly found no good source for the Defiant vs. Avenger battle – you know, the one where Bakula hams it up like there was no tomorrow ("DEEESTWOAY THEM!")...
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A little safety bump here, just to get them into the right order
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>>2453524
>filename
Nice
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>>2443755
>>2443788
Absolutely worth it. The scale of DS9 felt appropriately big from the very first episode and lasted the entire series.
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>>2454130
Oh that it did! And they also just got the "serialized storytelling"-thing right in the later seasons – with multi-episode arcs and "breather"-episodes. The latter were an absolutely indispensable, integral part of the series though. By showing that not everything in the show-universe revolved around the war, the universe actually felt BIGGER – just by letting you know that different characters were involved in different adventures. It gave you a feeling that the Trekverse was a universe of a thousand adventures and DS9 was just one tiny part of it.

It's a real pity there will probably never be a remastered version of the show. Well, I guess apart from financial considerations there might also be technical aspects to take into account. Firstly, all cgi-starship sequences would have to be recreated from scratch (unlike TNG where a lot of shots were actually composited from re-used elements – oftentimes in a very clever fashion, mind you!) and secondly I have a feeling that quite a lot of stuff was shot on video. Especially starting from S3, a lot of shots started to have what I call "porn lighting" – the sort of soft, diffuse lighting that is best picked up by video cameras. I haven't looked into it a whole lot, but I think some members of the staff even said as much. And unlike film stock, video footage obviously can't just be remastered in HD.
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>>2454631
another glimpse at DS9 in HD. This time an ACTUAL remaster (from the TNG doube episode "Birthright")
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>>2454631
Here's one fine example of what I've referred to as "porn lighting". Of course it's perfectly suited to the scene, but it's actually quite prevalent in DS9's later seasons.
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>>2361087
>>2361089
>>2361091
Nice. Is there a whole documentary?
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>>2455535
Yup, it's right here:
1/2: https://youtu.be/TamqltQhw60
2/2: https://youtu.be/eGQWBNoIlY0
It's an episode of a Discovery Channel show named "Movie Magic" – this was obviously digitised from someone's VHS-tapes, hence the picture quality is (sadly) rather abysmal
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Since I've been uploading deleted scenes from the first Kelvinverse film, here's one from "Nemesis" for a change – Here we see now-Captain Riker hazing Picard's new first officer a bit and also the introduction of seatbelts on the bridge.

Sadly, the image quality is sub-par, but that's how it looks on the DVD. I'm also sorry that the audio and video are slightly out of sync – that's the trouble you can run into when dealing with interlaced/de-interlaced videos.
The only youtube source was a shoddily compressed 240p video, so I ripped it from the DVD myself and I'm not an expert when it comes to dealing with interlaced stuff (any hints on how to deal with those issues in the future would be highly appreciated)
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>>2361086
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a little safety bump there...
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>>2376775
We need Janeway to go back and fuckin' kill Les Moonves.
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>>2446254
Another scene from this outstanding episode
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>>2459621
And another one, which I thought I had already uploaded, but hadn't (that was probably in the previous thread)
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>>2458390
a closer look at that CG model of the station. Awesome build if you ask me. Just the lighting is a bit harsh – but it would seem that that's just the way Tobias Richter likes it. Well, it DOES show off a lot of the detail, that's for sure.
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>>2438926
>>2438931
quite closely related: Some test footage of Voyager's never-used "Aeroshuttle" auxiliary craft.
Looks pretty neat, considering it's actually only preliminary effects work.
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>>2461044
...except for the interior shots, of course, which were obviously made using a matte quickly cropped from a DS9 shot. Note that the window layout on the Aeroshuttle basically equals that of a runabout, so that they could re-use the runabout cockpit-set for the Aeroshuttle.
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It occurred to me only now that I have never posted even a single scene from "Generations" – maybe jsut because I really really dislike the film; even moreso than STID or Nemesis...
Anyway, this bit features a beautiful visual effects sequence at the beginning and some extraordinary acting by Patrick Stewart.
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>>2462273
I had almost forgotten that I still had this one
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bump!
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>>2386569

I started watching it for the first real time in 2016, up until that I only really saw First Encounter and a few episodes of VOY I thought were a movie.

If I want to get real pseud about it, I'd say its because given the current geopolitics and the introduction of a new Trek that doesn't really share the same vision, we're all down for a series that basically says humanity can overcome its problems, its all gonna turn out great, and we're going to get together and explore space and find out that even if our virtues are tested by the circumstances we can come out of it with honor and compassion intact.
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>>2460807

I always liked the harsh lighting, to me it came off as it being more "real" like it was in a sort of more hostile space with the sunlight not being shielded.
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>>2463097
reminds me of this:
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>>2463891
oh, forgot to crop
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>>2463833
You're actually right. It gives you a certain impression of what the station would look like in ACTUAL space (even though it's actually nowhere near a sun after the pilot episode, so if you were taking things into a "realistic" direction, you wouldn't be able to see anything apart from the internally lit windows; but obviously Star Trek has always relied on "hypothetical" light sources)
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just bumpin this back into place
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>>2454631
I know it's probably just an animation choice to illustrate how "zippy" the Defiant is next to a capital ship, but it's like the helmsman and tactical officer on that Galaxy class are asleep at the wheel...
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Oh no! No no no no no! My thread!
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>>2467422
Oh, wait. It's back! There must've been a weird-ass glitch. For a short while it looked as though every bit of content in this thread had been deleted
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>>2458390
>>2460807
Another one of these fine renders. Gotta say that I like that one in paricular.
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bumpin this back
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>>2361086
after a lot of CGI, here's another classic (remastered) scale model shot – obviously the one normally seen in the TNG intro sequence, but in its "bare bones" version.
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>>2471298
Even these remastered model shots don't give a real sense of scale, but I suppose that is hard to do, and this is the closest to doing that yet.
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>>2472565
Yeah, when it comes to "a sense of scale" there's really nothing like the TMP refit model – but only in TMP if you ask me. They got rid of so much detail (i.e. the iridescent paint effects) in the later movies...
The fact remains that the spacedock sequence in TMP is just perfect in that regard and a lot of that is probably owed to some really mundane factors, namely that the model was larger (8ft vs. the Enterprise-D's 6ft), while the ship it was supposed to represent was smaller (roughly 300 metres vs. roughly 640 metres). Of course, a lot might also be owed to the anamorphic format and the corresponding lenses used for that sequence.
Anyway, even though the Enterprise-D was a large model, one could argue it was still "overly miniaturised". Looks like in order to get the right sense of scale out ot it, the model would've had to be around 12ft long... and even more unwieldy than it already was. After all, they ceased using the 6ft model for new VFX sequences once they got to S4 – and switched to using the rather divisive 4ft model instead – for that very reason: The 6-footer was too large, too heavy and the wiring was apparently a maintenance nightmare. And as can be seen in this clip, it actually had the capability for light effects that were never even seen on screen – that also means, there were switchboards and moving parts on that thing that went unused for the entire run of the series.
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bumpin
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>>2472565
>>2472952
I dunno, seeing the people milling about in the observation lounge in the >>2471298 shot always helped me suspend my disbelief.
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For some reason, ghost bumps always wreak havoc on these threads. At least this one and the TOS one – it always looks like the entire thread is gone until it's bumped anew (but only if the post isn't deleted). It's some weird sort of glitch.
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>>2477319
Probably a cache issue on your client's end, never seen it myself.
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>>2477344
That was my first thought as well, but it's not possible: Two days ago, I witnessed the problem using two different devices logged into two different networks.
The problem must have somethhing to do with one or more of 4chan's cdn servers.
Why it only concerns these two threads, I don't know. But it does in fact happen anytime they are ghost-bumped.
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>>2386708
This would have been perfect without the DISC clips
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>>2483646
Well, you see, the fact of the matter is: Ten years ago, people would've said: "Yeah, that would be great if it weren't for the ENT clips..." – and even further back, there was a whole lot of ruckus sorrounding that show "what do we need a prequel for?", "'Enterprise'? – More like 'Akira-prise'!", "Romulans on the show? – Fuck, no!", "Borg? Ferengi? – Do they even know what the word 'canon' means?"
And yes, ENT still is anything but my favorite trek series and stuff like the Borg episode, even though it wasn't necessarily a bad episode, still stands out as one of those instances of "So I heard fans like XY. Let's just throw it in!".
But still, ENT is just there... and that's it. And I know there are a couple of really good episodes, which I have rewatched over the years, and a couple of crap episodes, which I'm never gonna rewatch, and all the unnecessarily "sexed-up" bullshit etc. But I won't get my panties in a bunch about that.
And that's how DISCO will eventually fare, no matter what. With a bit of luck, they will get their act together and deliver a fine second season, maybe even a superb third season (à la TNG) – you never know. Or maybe it'll just end up as that show that makes people go: "Yeah, it sure isn't my favourite Trek series, but whatever..." – hence, in roughly the same place as shows like VOY or ENT.
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>>2486090
here's an un-pillarboxed version. I think I have posted that one in pretty much every Star Trek general AND the first Berman-era thread.
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Here's part of a segment of FOX 29 Philadelphia's 10 O' Clock News, which aired right after DS9's premiere. There's not a whole of info there, it's just a little "way back when"-thing. But – without meaning to /pol/ up the thread – note how Sisko being the first African-American lead character (erroneously referred to as "Captain" here) was just a side-note there and wasn't blown out of proportion as one of the show's "main selling points" or whatever. Of course it's a Fox station, so considering the target audience, that wouldn't have been a viable advertising strategy anyway – but as I recall, they never made a big fuss around the fact that Avery Brooks is black on other stations either. That's one of those instances where it feels like the 90s were just a lot more advanced in that regard..

Oh by the way: could you tell from the props in Quark's bar, which episode they were shooting when that segment was filmed? Hint: It's not exactly a good episode.
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>>2488080
Thanks
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>>2488185
Fox News and Fox Broadcasting were under entirely separate management in the 90's, and folks rarely associated the two. Fox ran several all black sitcoms back then, as well as "In Living Color" (or as we call it these days, "The Daily Show" - *budump*chiiing*).
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>>2483962
All the spinoffs had their faults, but they all also managed to retain core aspects of the franchise. Particularly the teamwork/family dynamic, which even JJ managed to hold onto to a degree. STD is the first spinoff/reboot to completely lose track of that and have the whole show center on a single hero to the exclusion of all else, to the degree where the entire universe consists of either background characters or adversaries for her to face.

There's one or two episodes of STD where you see some shadows of the parables of human nature as told through alien archetypes aspect of Star Trek, such as when Saru is granted peace, freed from fear for the first time in his life, and goes borderline homicidal to hold onto that feeling. But aside from that, beyond some references and iconic ship designs, the show has little to nothing to do with Star Trek. Even when they make some effort to drag it back to the title material, such as with that lengthy preachy speech at the end of the first season, it's all made meaningless by the fact that they just threatened to blow up the Klingon homeworld, and then handed the genocidal device over to a bunch of religious fanatics - then have the gall to pat themselves on the back and claim the moral high ground.

Really, as a stand alone sci-fi, it's okay - and I'd have no problem with it, if they removed all the Star Trek branding and simply called the show "Michael". But you can't just take any random action sci-fi script, toss in Star Trek branding, and call it Star Trek, without making Roddenberry spin in his grave - or, in his case, orbit - but that's, of course, exactly what they did.

Sadly, aside from some Youtube fanfic, The Orville is the closest thing we've had to a real Star Trek reboot this decade.
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>>2488477
Firstly: I had picked out ENT for a number of reasons (the main one being that it was the most recent Trek tv show before DISCO and also a prequel), but rest assured that DISCO is far from my favorite Trek show (and I'm fairly sure that I was bothered pretty much about the exact same points as you: the whole "Hooray, we did not commit genocide!" thing, the overly sharp focus on Michael Burnham etc.).
As it stands, it's probably in fact my least favorite Trek show – RIGHT NOW. And that's the point! All I'm saying is: We got fifteen episodes of that show (where there were originally meant to be thirteen), which were plagued by a considerable amount of behind-the-scenes drama, and we don't know what things will look like in the future. It might be a diamond in the rough, it might be a turd covered in mud.

Secondly: I like The Orville... kinda. Yes, they get the "morality play" aspect right most of the time, but Seth MacFarlane's trademark "humor" unfortunately just drags the show down a couple of notches immediately. And that's just a shame!
Also, if you wanna start an Orville thread, I'd be happy to join you but this is still a Star Trek thread (and it's obviously my "baby"...)

>>2488417
Fair enough! But that actually just proves my point, wouldn't you say? I just meant to point out that there used to be a far more relaxed attitude towards the whole subject. Now it's like TV folk just keep yelling buzzwords like "diversity" at you – and ultimately really just water down the whole issue by reducing it to buzzwords; with all the noise just drowning out any more serious OR more relaxed approach...
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>>2488643
I can't remember when exactly I posted these promos the last time, but it believe it was way way back in one of the generals, many moons ago.
This one's the true gem – just look at all the random footage. Can you name the source of the non-Trek shot they slipped in? Hint: There's actually a faint Trek connection there and her name is Lyicia Naff. I think that hint is oblique enough...

Now if you're wondering what's going on there: Those promos obviously weren't produced by Paramount, but rather by the individual stations that were about to air DS9 (remember: Just like TNG, it was a syndicated show from the get-go), but it would seem that Paramount either couldn't provide any finished shots at that time or maybe they were kinda stingy about them. So the stations just had to make do with what they had.

Look at the makeshift titlecard! – I like to imagine they had to ring up an in-house graphics designer late at night and tell him: "Friggin Paramount hasn't even sent us a titlecard for their new show – could you slap something together that looks kinda 'trekky' until, say, 10 AM? Oh, and it has to be animated!"
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>>2488643
>>2489209
Things got a bit more streamlined here. And they even had a proper titlecard!
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>>2488477
>Really, as a stand alone sci-fi, it's okay - and I'd have no problem with it, if they removed all the Star Trek branding and simply called the show "Michael". But you can't just take any random action sci-fi script, toss in Star Trek branding, and call it Star Trek, without making Roddenberry spin in his grave - or, in his case, orbit - but that's, of course, exactly what they did.
Amen brother... Although, if you took Battlestar Galactica, replaced the Galactica with the Enterprise, and the Cylons with the Borg, as the NCC-1701-# escorts a rag tag fleet containing the last of humanity in search of a new homeworld, you'd still be closer to Star Trek than the self-insert masterbation that is DISCO. BSG at least still contains the ensemble team and make-shift family element, with no one dominating hero, even if there's a lot more backstabbing and it's more dystopian than traditional Trek.

Short of Michael getting killed, which ain't gonna happen, I don't see that show righting itself. Maybe there's some hope for the upcoming Picard spinoff though. Not sure how many years Patrick has left in him, but who knows, maybe they'll take Mike Stoklasa's advice and make Star Trek: Galaxy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe1hKZjCVyM

(Yeah, no.)
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>>2489788
Hmm. Imagine if they killed off the character NOW. Nufans would probably go: "Looks like they're taking the GOT-route, eh? Lame!"
Having the character take a backseat without killing off the character doesn't seem impossible to me.
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And now for something compleeetely different:
This is a recording of a speech that Gene Roddenberry held in the mid-1970s while he was touring colleges all across the country.
The fun part is: Not only was this wayyy before the TNG-era, but this isn't even "trek-related" in the narrow sense. He actually talks about a TV pilot he made in for a series that was to be called "The Quaestor Tapes" in 1974. The series wasn't picked up by the networks, but the pilot was aired as a "movie of the week" (as which he also describes it at the beginning of the speech).
BUT this is interesting in that the series was to revolve around an android who was indistinguishable from a human being and had a keen interest in understanding humans and become more like them along the way.
So in short: We get a nice glimpse of the true genesis of the character of Data here!
Including the "fully functional" aspect...
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>>2493808
I suggest listening to this in tandem with >>2493811 in the TOS-era thread
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>>2493808
Frankly, these ST threads move slow enough, and need to be manually bumped so often, you should really merge them into >>>/wsg/trek .

Unlike >>>/tv/trek - but, well, I suppose one could make a quality over quantity argument.
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>>2493834
Yyyeah. You need to see the origin of the triple-thread argument: The problem with a "Star Trek General" was that, even though it was ver much "alive" and moderately fast-moving, firstly, at some point the discussion degenerated into a shitload of off-topic /pol/tardation ("NuTrek is SJW crap!" – "Old Trek was just as much SJW crap!" – "But NuTrek SUCKS!" – "NO, YOU SUCK!" etc.) and secondly, there was so much content concerning the Berman-era and so little content concerning, for example, the TOS-era that someone went off and started a TOS thread which however died very quickly (I think because it was LIMITED to TOS and wasn't meant to include movie-stuff and suchlike – wasn't my thread and I don't know what OP was thinking). Then someone thought of making a DS9 thread – also an overly narrow focus – and so on.

So, when the last existing "Trek General" was about to die, I asked the other posters: "How about I open three threads that are organised like this [i.e. like the three thread currently in existence]?" – The others agreed and that's how we ended up with these three threads.

And to be perfectly honest: Yes, the "quality over quantity"-aspect is really what I'm still aiming for. I try to dig up stuff that's not all that easy to come by (ripping stuff from DVDs that hadn't yet been uploaded to Youtube and things like that – or stuff like those speeches, which were released in LP format in 1976 and of whose existence probably only people who like to listen to star trek podcasts really know)
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>>2493897
and I also try to offer the highest possible quality when it comes to WEBM-encoding.
(I had accidentally deleted that part of the sentence in the previous reply)
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The ending to Star Trek: Insurrection as originally envisioned (and as it's still found in the film's novelisation). Looks like test audiences are to blame for the generic "Boom!"-ending the film eventually got. Would a different ending have made the film any better? – I don't think so, to be honest.
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>>2493834
the problem aren't the manual bumps (how else would you bump the threads anyway?) but the fact that at this point the threads need to be bumped twice a day in order to not be overtaken by the steady slow of tik tok crap. Same problem with other threads, mind you!
Procuring new content takes a little while though, so that's indeed quite the nuisance.
It's not the threads' fault that there's so much bullshit on the catalog though.
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>>2496409
Ya wouldn't need to do self bumps as often, if the thread was three times as busy, being my point. (Though, yeah, we gotta do something about those tik tok ad bots and the latest banana nipping at them.)

I do get the bit about the endless arguments between various captain fanboys though. (Even I get the "Not my Star Trek!" bug when it comes to STD.)
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>>2497119
Well, that and it's a bit rude, as you bump two threads off the board unnecessarily.

I suppose it *might* be two Tiktok threads come next renewal, but we go through ten of those threads each time the Trek threads get so much as a post between them.
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>>2497261
There are no threads getting bumped off the board as long as there are no new ones. It's the bazillion Tik tok threads that keep bumping other stuff off the board. And I think it's rather obvious that three well-curated Star Trek threads providing tons of new content are worth more than a hundred of those repost-filled shitfests.
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>>2497424
The Tiktok advertisement phenomenon is younger than this thread. It's thus likely the creation of three threads for one topic bumped off three non-Tiktok ad threads.

Albeit, still likely fast moving YLYL, reaction, or Anime Thread #XXX, the last turboing its way to page 10 via a thousand sauce denial vs. spoon feeder debate posts.
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>>2497261
>>2497424
But be that as it may: The "problem" won't persist that much longer anyway. The TOS- and Kelvinverse-thread are both nearing image limit. One week, maybe two, then this one will become the "general" and we're all set.
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>>2497445
The reason for the existence of three threads has been explained at length. Also, as I just pointed out, there won't be three threads for too long.
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>>2497445
>>2497494
Besides, I doubt that some kid said to himself: "Gee, there's three Star Trek threads. I guess they consist of the same fuckin content posted over and over again – let's do the same for tik tok!"
Ironically, this one is the only one of the three threads featuring a relatively high number of reposts. The other two are mostly (I'd guess 90%) comprised of stuff that's never been posted before.
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>>2497513
Well, while I'd certainly prefer to see fifty Star Trek threads on the front page, instead of the fifty Tik Tok ad threads I'm seeing now, unless we start airing the entire franchise in five minute chunks, I doubt we could keep up.

Normally, mods clean shit like this up right quick, but I guess /wsg/ has no active jannies.
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>>2497445
Are you complaining about two threads having been been bumped off the board seven months ago? Are you for real, man?
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Guys, guys! OP here, it's okay! I get it: No, I will NOT start another TOS thread, nor will I start another Kelvinverse thread once those have reached image limit. In a while there will be only one Star Trek thread left and given the post- and image-count, it'll be this one. And that's really all there is to say.
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>>2497537
Oh and I'm not the one ghost-bumping them, by the way. I thought I'd just point that out. I for one consider ghost-bumping bad style.
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>>2488185
>watched through the clip twice before realizing it looped
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"Star Trek: The Next Chandlerization"
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>>2498935
Kira should have had long, flowing hair
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>>2502234
I suppose her hairstyle was a very deliberate choice so as not to turn her into the "babe" of the series.
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>>2502975
thinking about it, it was probably just because Nana Visitor prefers her hair short. In recent times she's usually always had a pixie haircut or some variant thereof.
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>>2502975
She's just so beautiful. I like the short hair on Ezri though
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Hello /wsg/trek/ I have decided to start cross-posting all of my relevant posts from /trek/ on /tv/
>>>/tv/106460915
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>>2504126
Fuck Jimmy
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>>2503729
Hmm, I think Nana Visitor is a striking lady no matter what.
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bumpity bump for a brighter future
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>>2367600
My favorite part about POGO's video here is he only had the Command shirt in his wardrobe. The Engineering/Ops uniform was color corrected from the red of Command. I found that really impressive, along with his really excellent use of colored lighting to make him slip into the backgrounds seamlessly.
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>>2508940
I agree. The color, light and overall production is beyond the youtube baseline talent. The only thing bad about this video is that it has not won an award.
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From one of my favourite S1 episodes: "We'll Always Have Paris".
Sadly, I couldn't find a good clip of Picard talking to his old flame, Jenice Manheim (Michelle Phillips) – those were some of the first moments where Picard was shown as a more "human" character. Throughout S1 he had been a bit of a hardass, but in this episode they've added a tiny bit of backstory and a couple of weaknesses to the character.
All things considered, this is probably even the most stupid moment in the episode (since we're given absolutely NO explanation as to why the "middle-Data" is supposed to be the right one). Pretty cool VFX though! This is actually the un-remastered version – the remastered version recreated the effect absolutely to a T though, the only difference being a bit of added clarity (and yes, the effect WAS recreated – as a rule of thumb: Whenever there was any sort of compositing going on, the shots were re-composited from the masters and stuff like beams, sparkles etc. were recreated digitally)!
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Alright, since the TOS-era thread (>>2269505) has now reached the image limit, this thread shall be rechristened as "Star Trek General"

Just remember to save any webm that you like from >>2269505 before the thread is gone, cause I'm certainly not going to repost them anytime soon.
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I have a mind to rewatch the entirety of DS9 again... I had actually set out to do just that around a year ago. Kinda got stuck midway through season 3 though. Not because I got bored or anything of the like, but mainly because 25/26-episode seasons are a bit harder to binge-watch than 10-episode seasons and work can get in the way quite easily.
Looks like modern-day TV-viewing habits got a hold of me...
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>>2502975
That didn't stop it from happening on Voyager.
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>>2524456
what exactly?
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>>2524515
Although now that I think about it, Seven probably just had long hair tied up.
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>>2524517
Yeah, she sported a bun most of the time which she loosed every now and then.
It's also always worth noting that despite all commonalities DS9 and VOY were two very different shows – quite distinct writing staffs, most importantly. By the time VOY's fourth season came around, even though Rick Berman was the showrunner for both shows, DS9 had essentially become Ira Steven Behr's and Ron Moore's "baby", whereas VOY was chiefly the brainchild of a triumvirate consisting of Brannon Braga, Joe Menosky and Bryan Fuller.
There's a thing to say about Seven though: Although she was VOY's "T&A", they still managed to write a decent character around the good looks (most of the time). Compared to what would happen on ENT, there was refreshingly little "pure fanservice" going on on VOY.
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By the way: If CBS manages to stay on schedule (heh...), a year from now we might be discussing the new Picard-show in a thread like this. CBS has given a very rough expected release date of "late 2019".
Oh, I just hope it won't be another dreary affair – and also that it won't revolve SOLELY around the character of Picard. Of course, Picard is a great character and Sir Patrick could quite effortlessly carry a show all by himself, but what Star Trek has been lacking during the last decade was that real sense of teamwork – solving problems together. Apart from that, one trait that defined Picard as a character was his ability to delegate, and always consider alternative solutions. Pretty sure they will avoid making the show a "TNG-revival" (even though "exec-talk" is generally never to be trusted), but hey, bringing back SOME characters wouldn't hurt. Even better if they get Jonathan Frakes to direct more than one episode – that would be the sort of "behind-the-scenes reunion" that just might kick off the show to a good start.

WebM unrelated – just one of those effects sequences I used to love so much as a kid – it's still pretty cool. Trimmed down a bit, so I could squeeze the bulk of the sequence into one WebM without it looking like utter shit.
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>>2524517
>that gif
You and me both
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>>2459621
These speeches make me feel very emotional and I can't exactly pinpoint why.
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>>2526494
Well, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say it's because everything about them is so very considerate, it makes you wonder: Why can't the real world be just a tiny bit more than that?
Or maybe it's much more prosaic and you wonder why Star Trek had to "devolve" to a point where a bunch of writers seems to go "Science fiction as a morality play and a vehicle for basic problem-solving? – Boooring!"
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>>2526494
>>2526623
On a similar (yet quite different) note: A rather fun scene from the DS9 episode "Prophet Motive", in which Quark tries to convince the Prophets to restore the Grand Nagus to his old greedy self (after having turned him into a philanthropist).
The funny part is, that Quark basically does so by delivering a classic "Kirk speech". Not a "Picard speech", since "classic Picard" was mainly about the more idealistic aspects of diplomacy and understanding, general consideration and just not getting ahead of oneself, whereas "classic Kirk" was typically all about the virtue of ambition (as a matter of fact, in the episode "Return of the Archons", Kirk swats the very first mention of the "Prime Directive" right out of the air, arguing that it only applies to "growing" civilisations, whereas the one they're facing in that episode just appears "stagnant", or rather "lazy", to him – which prompts him to essentially just destroy a millennia-old society as the episode goes on).

And I'd say Armin Shimerman obviously had a great time here, just diving right into "Shatnermode"
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This marks the first time I've ever bumped this thread with non-Berman-era content. There probably won't be a whole lot of that though – not from me, at least.

It's actually an "era-bridging" bit though, since a quote from that scene was used in an early Discovery S2 trailer (>>2274732) – and while the quote was SORTA familiar to me, I really didn't remember which episode it was from. But only until I bumped into a broadcast of "The Immunity Syndrome" on TV recently.
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>>2527814
Just about my favorite exchange in the whole series - even if it is a bit misplaced. It's so true though - little girl gets trapped in a well, and the whole nation tunes in. Couple million people die in some far off war torn land, and everyone's "meh". Right up there with:

>Human females prefer stories of one person dying very slowly.
>Human males prefer stories of many people dying very quickly.
(Albeit, different show, but definitely Trek inspired.)
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>>2527883
It basically expands on the quote often attributed to Stalin: "The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic."
It's indeed somewhat misplaced in that episode, since Spock has no real reason to ramble on about human perception of death, but then again: Throughout that episode, Spock seems to be in a more pensive mood than usual. There's also that other great exchange between Spock and McCoy when the former boards the shuttle to probe the space amoeba and (sorta) asks McCoy to wish him luck – maybe I'll make a webm of it when I find the time.
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>>2527814
In that episode you could see that the cast had one helluva time shooting it, even though there was a whole lot about it that really didn't make too much sense. And I'm not even talking about the "science" aspect (constantly likening a single cell organism to a virus... that's just wrong!), but things that didn't quite add up storytelling-wise: For example, Bones first suggests keeping a distance from the "negative energy field" and trying to find a way to probe it from there (which would really seem like most plausible course of action), but then Kirk gives the crew a little pep talk and decides to just jump right into trouble and suddenly, once they decide to send a shuttlecraft to investigate the amoeba, he's SO eager to pilot it.
Of course it was nice to see McCoy display some scientific interest for once, but it literally came out of nowhere. Just like Spock's line in that WebM – it's really hard to understand what exactly he's complaining about. Kirk's behaviour over the course of the episode is also all over the place, but I guess one could argue that in the beginning he was just very very tired and later he was high on stimulants...
All of that still doesn't make it a "BAD" episode, since it's carried by some great, fun performances. It's just a bit of a jumble...
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>>2527923
found the time...
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>>2531258
...and had some fun just watching through some TOS S2 episodes again. S1 may have had the best scripts, but S2 was the season that contained the most cult classics (and probably the best character interaction, since by then the characters had really come into their own and the actors knew their way around).
A pity that Roddenberry had already become disgruntled with the production at that point.
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>>2531267
>S1 may have had the best scripts, but S2 was the season that contained the most cult classics
'Amok Time', 'The Trouble With Tribbles', 'Mirror, Mirror', 'The Journey to Babel', 'The Gamesters of Triskelion', 'The Doomsday Machine', 'A Piece of the Action', 'The Changeling' – yup, makes sense!
Probably the only "cult classics" missing there would be 'Space Seed' and 'Arena' which were Season 1 episodes.
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>>2532763
Don't forget City on the Edge of Forever, m8
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>>2534124
That's terrible – even though the Barclay "overworld" sprite looks funny enough. Still, whoever made this should've taken some English lessons or at least consulted a dictionary here and there.
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>>2534453
I think "super-deformed" would be the term to use in a jRPG context
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>>2526642
Kirk really would've annoyed the wormhole aliens.
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>>2536945
He either would've gotten them to self-destruct (but then again: they're not computers or androids) or would've gotten them to a point where they said: "Your species is too primitive – come back in 5000 years!"
I think the latter would've been classic TOS (just think of Talosians, Organians, Metrons etc.)
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In case anyone's interested in an update on the upcoming Picard-series:
https://ew.com/tv/2018/12/10/star-trek-picard-series-different/

I'm usually kinda loath to reading interviews with Kurtzman (or really any of the "higher-ups" to be honest), but him describing the show as "contemplative" – THAT'S an adjective that gets my hopes up!
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>>2537148
One still has to wonder though: "people have so many questions about Picard and what happened to him" – do they really?
I mean, that's just the same reasoning they like to invoke when talking about Spock and why they NEED to bring that character back – "people have so many questions!" – when most fans really just loved the character as portrayed by Leonard Nimoy (and specifically him) and aren't really on the hunt concerning bits of backstory and whatnot.
At least with Picard there's the advantage that Patrick Stewart is still alive and well and the show will hopefully explore the future of the character (or rather the present) instead of just regurgitating past story arcs.
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>>2536647
Neelix is so comfy.
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I'm planning to make a high quality version of the old star trek vs star wars video. Does anyone have any suggestions on which scenes over the course of the series would fit well with star wars? It's been a very long time since I watched it so I don't remember shit
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>>2538309
Hmm. That could be kinda hard if you don't want to make a video where it would appear that Picard constantly switches between his alternate and standard uniform (same with Worf's hairstyle)... I'm gonna meditate on this.
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>>2538659
exactly. I might just watch the show again and take note of things that have potential since it's been probably 15 years at least.



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