DOOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREAD - Last thread >>5721337DOOM/II/ULTIMATE/FINAL/64/CHEX/QUAKE/DUKE/HERETIC/HEXEN/ETCGameplay, WADs/Maps/Mods, Source PortsAll other retro FPS welcome~~ Let's post like gentlemen ~~FAQ/PASTEBINhttp://pastebin.com/hzDnLpct SO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME...Doom, Quake, Duke, Marathon, or Thief:https://imgur.com/a/wWS8zXz-Album of infographics with setup information and user-made content recommendationsSame thing, but in video format:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ietb4JwaaXAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGj4gXyCzg0IWADs and more (>6 GB): https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B47V8l2eVZKxRU82S3JkZkdBRXMPortaDOOM: https://github.com/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releasesQuake pastebin (2016-06-22): http://pastebin.com/XjBHDRFw Downloads for various /vr/ shooters. (Includes Duke Nukem, Doom, Blood, and Quake.)https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Qhttps://mega.nz/#F!GtEQTISJ!CCJGyPEEEsZasc1PMXicUADoom RPG serieshttps://doomrpg.weebly.com/Launchers for Build Engine gameshttp://buildgamedosboxlaunchers.weebly.com/== INFO/LINKS ==OFFICIAL DOOM WIKIhttp://doomwiki.org/WHERE TO FIND WADSVanilla/Boom: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/4-wads-mods/ZDoom: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=19/idgames: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/TUTORIALS/UTILITIEShttps://pastebin.com/7vKYWYp0RESOURCEShttps://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=37== /VR/DOOM COMMUNITY ==THREAD ARCHIVEShttps://desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/%22doom%20thread%22/type/op/MAKING NEW THREADS PROPERLYhttps://pastebin.com/yzwgaLp7 IMAGE DATABASEhttp://vrdoom.booru.org/?page=post&s=listOUR WADShttps://pastebin.com/5sKRiJzS https://pastebin.com/aiEgdB3K https://pastebin.com/idahQRj2
=== ONGOING ===H.U.H. - /vr/ Quake Mapping Project-Deadline: July 14th 23:00 GMT-All details and a FAQ can be found in the following pastebin to help get you startedhttps://pastebin.com/j8crafJN=== NEWS ===[7-8] New beta release for La Tailor Girlhttps://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58343&start=390#p1110538[7-4] Alien Bastards! a new Doomer Boards mapset inspired by Alien Carnagehttp://doomer.boards.net/thread/1541/dbp13-alien[7-3] Quake Speedmapping Pack 198: 768 ^ 2 http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61748[7-1] Anon updates 'Demon CounterStrike' to fix Rocket Launcher spawnshttps://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/5701806/#5702668[6-29] Anon map release: TESTINGGROUND.wadhttps://www.dropbox.com/s/ehkggu5q3p4n8jp/TESTINGGROUND.wad?dl=0[6-28] Masters of Doom to get a dramatized TV adaptationhttps://www.pcgamer.com/james-and-dave-franco-are-producing-a-television-show-based-on-masters-of-doom/[6-27] 'Vanilla Doom Plus', a monster variant randomizer balanced closer to vanillahttps://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/106432-vanilla-doom-plusmonster-randomizer-updated-june-25th40-added-monsters/[6-22] /vr/ is hosting it's own Quake mapping project! GET IN HERE FAGETS[6-20] Copper for Quake released: a vanilla+ mod (includes optional map pack)http://lunaran.com/copper/index.html[6-17] Coffee Quake released, 76 speedmaps in 4 episodeshttp://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61745https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_p8iwL2Vw&feature=youtu.be[6-15] Guncaster 3.3 releasedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcUHPmb76do[6-15] Doom the Golden Souls 3 announcedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rivZEQ2mNFg[6-15] MetaDoom player feedback surveyhttps://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfRZWx1kN9FpAShfjXcmS9Co9MNTYWLwD-hupYfhAduD5334g/viewform=== PREVIOUS ===https://pastebin.com/PZDkqABT== PROTIP ==To submit news, please reply and anchor it to this post.
Just wondering, how would you explain the niche/role of a rail gun and lighting gun/thunderbolt compared to a shotgun and a machine/chaingun?Like, what's the differences and how they could work?
>>5727335rail gun should be stronger per shot and used as a replacement for any other weapon used for sniping, the lightning gun should be the worse of 2 superweapons, essentially it should be handled how quake 3 does it but buff the lightning a little bit more and make it eat ammo
>>5727353I always thought LG's were like a hybrid of chainguns and plasma guns in the sense they could be usefull at close and strong but worse at accuracy and ammo management.I wonder if the Telsa Gun from RTCW is a good example and also how could flamethrowers compare.
Someone please tell me that Cryptic Passage and the Plasma Pak are better than Blood's 3rd and 4th episodes.
I require crude MS Paint drawings of the dragon from Guncaster.I'm editing another video for Tex and I was planning on featuring a bunch of them in the credits, so reply to this post with your picture if you feel like it.Happy HUHing
>>5727360How come Blood whole unit on Steam had episode 6 but not 5?
>>5727365Cryptic Passage is a separate exe. For some reason, Fresh Supply treats it the same way instead of just adding it to the episode list between 4 and 6
I wonder if the reason there weren't any Doom 4 inspired maps might be the art direction.
Hideous bros, I got a question: ZM66 or Liberator?
>>5727414Genuinely difficult question, the ZM is lighter and ammo is common, but the fucking thing will jam and overheat on you. Whereas the Lib is powerful and reliable, but it's heavy and ammo is more scarce so you'll find yourself collecting brass and converting 4.26 ammo frequently.I just use the ZM, it's a space age piece of shit but god damn is it fun.
>look at some gameplay footage of MM2>section with a square spiral staircase where there's chaingunners hidden behind fake walls above your head>so as you ascend you start getting shot at from somewhere you literally can't see at all and which looks like all the other walls around youY'know, I'm a big hitscanner apologist, and I like springing traps and ambushes on the player, but fucking Jesus. Putting Arch-Viles in there would be less cruel, that at least gives you a window of time to flee back or forward.
>>5727414i use the zm almost exclusively but put it in my backpack when i can get a supply of liberator ammo going, if i find one while playing
Is JFSP or SWP the superior sourceport of Shadow Warrior, provided Classic Redux is unplayable on my PC?
How do i just select an empty texture for brushes?
I'm using GZDoombuilder and I'm trying to make a crate that's holding up a door. Why do these vertices appear in visual mode?
>>5727520I'm as dumb as a pinky and forgot to attach the image.
>>5727462clip and skip are rendered as invisible in-game. clip doesn't block anything but movement (so it's like a midtexture in doom), skip is just like a regular brush but invisible.
>>5727364Here. Not MS Paint but it'll still do.
>>5727616What software? Those brush strokes look top notch
>>5727625I used an app called infinite painter on my phone.
>>5727371>>5727380>>5727403neat>>5727616>>5727631hey the more the merrierand you did that with your finger? jesus anonthanks a bunch
whats the best way to play rott?
>>5727672DosBox or WinRott(GL)DosBox is probably a slightly less janky alternative.There's been talk about ECWolf supporting ROTT for some time, but nothing has ever materialized on that.It's a sadly neglected game.
>>5726938This happens in professionally made video games, movies, and music as well. Your average consumer doesn't stop to look at the details. Have you watched someone on twitch or a friend play through a video game? They most likely just run through the levels to the next objective without paying attention to the environment and art. People who make maps, or other art are more likely to pay attention to the details and appreciate the work you've done. Most importantly you should be doing this for yourself.
how do I learn to live with infinite height monstersit bothers me deeply
>>5727849by realizing you rarely need to go over them
>>5727871yeah but it annoys me when I want to get off a ledge and I bump their hitboxalso when I want to go under floaties
Seeing as /arena/ is extremely verily dead, I'll ask you guys -Is it worth it for some boomer like me to get into Quake Champions, when I've never touched it? Does it actually have a chance of getting better/get some staying power like Quake 3/ CPMA / QuakeLive did in their time?
>>5727849you'll have to live with them slashing at you even if you're standing 3000 feet well above their reach.
>>5727903what if I just set GZDoom compatibility to Boom or Boom (strict) and leave out the infinite height?will that make me a monster?
>making a winding staircase in Trenchbroom
>>5727885If you’re truly starved for AFPS of any sort, it’s unfortunately your best bet. I can’t really recommend it in its current state, but you can download it for free and play as Ranger only if you want to give it a spin. The hope is that after Doom Eternal releases, QC will stop having a skeleton team and actually be developed, but that’s a pipe dream. I don’t think it has any staying power, sadly. It tried chasing the hero shooter trend of Overwatch and its clones, but as far as I’m aware, those ended up dying anyway.
>>5727885I went into it predisposed to hate it after years worth of nothing but bad word of mouth from literally everyone.actually ended up having fun, if only a bit of difficulty playing due to bad latency issues. 100+ ping at all times is just no good.
>>5727849What exactly does infinite height mean in the context of Doom anyway?
>>5727526Those vertices are there to make slopes. They appear at the edges of every triangle shaped sectors.You can move them up or down to deform the sector.
Does /doom/ still hate brutal doom?
>>5728152monsters collision boxes are infinitely tall in vanilla, so no matter what height you're at you'll bump into them if they're in front of you
>>5728152you can’t jump over monsters or run under flying monsters
>>5727923Kind of? Not really? It makes you you. Beat nuts.wad with infinite height to redeem yourself.Or don't. Up to you.
Why programming language do I need to learn to make mods for GZdoom?
What's the best way Doom 64 port/recreation on PC? There's so many, Doom 64 EX, Retribution, Absolution, TC, what is the best and why?
>>5728206ZScript, which is a weird mix of C(++) and Lua
>>5728030The hero shooter shit made me so unreasonably mad when it came out, it really made it feel like a game for no one.>>5727984I also tried that, please do not do this to yourself.
>>5728210Doom 64 for Doom 2
fuck I just realized every other staircase in my map has clip brushes to make the steps smaller. Now I have to do that shit on the curved one to soothe my autism.
>>5728314Are you sure it's autism? Could be your angry skeleton trying to get out. Those things hate the mistakes of flesh.
Whoever's posting the OP: drop the MetaDoom survey next time. Actually, it would be good to review all the news.
>>5728272That staircase is a bit think looking. Might want to make it a bit wider or the player's gonna knock into the walls the whole time.
>>5727984Look at my map (technotomb, last thread), I have a winding staircase there. You basically just cut up a pillar in pie slices and then adjust height accordingly.
>>5728357You can also copy the pillar beforehand so that it has the same proportions, scale it down so it's slimmer, put it in the middle and use the subtract modifier on it so that it makes an empty space down the center of the stairwell
Been out of the loop for a while and just noticed that SIGIL dropped.Is it worth playing? How does it stack up against the original 4 episodes?
these guys look like they HUH
>>5728395You can also do the opposite and extrude from the central pillar, like in the advanced curves tutorial.
>>5727414>>5727425Don't forget that lib's very, very good at wall penetration. Worth taking between maps for cleaning up troublesome monster closets before they pop open.
>>5728437Don't expect something up among the top pwads but it fits pretty well as episode 5, the underwhelming final map aside.
>>5727642I am hoping that tex calls the mod Paradise station Power fantasy.also you need more doodles?
>>5728437Unless you enjoy having glass shards in your eyeballs, play it on HMP. UV is just unreasonable.
>>5728438I've only just realised how Liefeld-esque everyone's faces are in Daikatana
>>5728494Thanks, I can't unsee it now.At least the anatomy looks okay.
>>5728517and by fuck i obviously mean make love to
>tfw E2M4 took me 15 minutesfuck I'm retarded
>>5727923Just do what you prefer and you're comfortable with.
>>5728152That it generally doesn't check for height when it comes to collision with other things.Some people say this proves Doom isn't three-dimensional, but fact of the matter is that this was intentional to save on computing power, in Heretic you can traverse over or under monsters, and their hitboxes can be stood on.
>>5728583>Some people say this proves Doom isn't three-dimensionalI've seen some big name youtuber make a video arguing this point once, all they did was demonstrate their complete lack of knowledge about how the engine works and probably that they didn't even play Doom in the first placeI've no idea why these people even feel the need to argue that
>>5728645you mean this hot trash?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb6Eo1D6VW8
>>5728619Here is mine!
>>5728161So it's fine to leave them be?
>>5728684yesthey do nothing if you don't specifically select and move the pyramid shapes
Can someone help with decorate? I have lots of damagetypes for reasons, but monsters' death state is same for each of them. Instead of defining those like this: Death.Type1 stuffDeath.Type2 stuffDeath.Type3 stuff...I wanna do this: Death.Type1.Type2.Type3 stuffWill this work exactly like first variant? If not, is there other way to avoid copypasting? I wish macros were a thing...
should I use smart autoaim if I'm playing without mouselook?
>>5727364Here, just for you anon.
>>5728678Wow the dragon character in the Mulan remake looks pretty good
>>5728751It's meant to be Malcolm from Trailblazer.
>>5728763Thats what i though indeed!>>5728756thanks, i work hard in disney!
>>5728742wait a minute is that cropped porn
>>5728776Maybe? It's based off this.>>>/trash/24214965
>>5728774/vr/ is a Disney household
>>5728714You can write it like this:Death.t1:Death.t2:Death.t3:aaaa 3aaab -1State names are just labels to jump to so if there isn't a goto or stop or special function like a_look between them they just run one after another until they encounter one of these
>>5728790Also, forgot to mention, if there isn't a death state for a damage type, it'll jump to the generic Death state instead
Ion Maiden is renamed to Ion Fury, why the hell they din't named it Bombshell 3d in the first pace?
Ion Maiden is Ion Fury now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjnhRz_GP3c
>>5728790That worked, thanks a lot!
>>5728817To distance itself from that disaster.
>>5728818Shelly got sprites yay
>>5728830Ion Maim 'em. Deathmatch. Hurr.
>>5728817>>5728818dat spriteworklewd mods soon my brothers
>>5728818PIANO PHYSICS CONFIRMED BOYS
>>5728818>sector pianowhat if I need to take a shit tho
>>5728852Blow it out MY ass
>>5728860Plenty of toilets in the demo, ayynon. You can flip the seats.
>>5728868ok but can you drop a duke
>>5728865is that a trash can or a mario pipe
>Ion Fury is currently in Steam Early Access for $19.99, but starting July 18, the price will jump up to $24.99 as 3D Realms closes in on the August 10 launch of version 1.0.
>>5728878Looks like a bucket to me
>>5728884Anyone who wants it already has it on Steam so BUUUUUUUUUURP whatever
>>5728884For a retail release, 25 bux doesn't seem too much. Based on the fact it's a fully-fledged Build game from the ground up and not just a mod lacking polish plus there being what I assume to be 7 episodes (the page calls them "zones" but it could be the same thing), it could certainly be a worse price. Dusk and Amid Evil are both $20 and they're definitely worth their price.
>>5728818wtf i want to have sex with shelly now??
>>5728897Then again, the price does go up while it's still gonna be in early access (egg on my face for not realizing that right away :y)
>>5728901Sloppy seconds? Why?
>>5728912Are you implying banging someone who banged Douk isn't honorable as fuck?
HUH more like Help Ui'm Hanging myself on sunday
>>5728920Sloppy seconds was a misnomer. More like she was ganbanged by a bunch of old dudes.
>>5728931when did that happen
>>5728942You played our game, well we played yours tooThe names too similar, we're gonna sue!When you're prepping for a release dateSlap your asses with a lawsuit, mateAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Is Doom or Duke 3D (or some other game) the more grievous case of putting all your best levels in the shareware?
>>5729001Rise of the Triad is the best example I can think of.
>>5729001According to Masters of Doom Shareware Quake included whole game.
>>5729014You can find all of that stuff on archive.org
>>5728437Sigil is the best wad since NRFTL.
>id stuff CD
>>5729014You what? It most definitely doesn't include the whole game, you can check the .pak files yourself.
should I play the first two chex games through chex3.wad or through the original wads?
Ok so for Quake I want to bind right mouse to "choose RL and shoot", I did that by "impulse 7;+attack", however, it just keeps on shooting. Any idea what I am doing wrong?
>>5729030>16MB RAM RecommendedJeez. Bit excessive don't you think?
>>5729074Add a wait then do -attack
>>5728438why the fuck did you level vitality beyond 2 levels instead of attack?Are you that bad at this game that you need 250 HP max instead of 150 or 200?
>>5729076Hungry hungry Windows version... I guess.
>>5729082Thanks, that worked.
>>5728818Ion Fury is a pretty good name tho. Fuck Iron Maiden anyway.
>>5729085Not him but I always used go for defense over offense in games before I realized that killing quick is way better. Funny how a mind can fuck these things up.
>>5729085actual first time playing through this game and just winging it
>>5729074>rocket launcher on Q>thunderbolt on EFeels good, man
>>5729103that's actually a pretty great idea
>>5729108Most Quake players rebind rockets, lightning, and rail (or GL for Q1, I guess) to the unused keys around WASD.
>>5729085>>5729098I should add the first chapters numerous instant death traps and dangerous monster closets really enforced me thinking having a lot of health handy was a good idea, things certainly ease up after that shit
>>5729115Ye. Fat fingering the wrong number during a heated battle feels like shit.
>>5728645Because they hear that the level geometry isn't actually 3D but 2D planes assembled to make something that looks 3D.What they ignore is that regardless of how the game renders, Doom's world and gameplay is still very much three dimensional, they either forget that height is still a thing even if it's ignored in a few instances for the sake of speed, or they downplay the shit out of that and then try to weasel out a way to make themselves sound like they were actually correct.
Today in Ideas that will never see the light of day:QuakeRL
>>5728437It's not earthshattering, but it's pretty good, and I enjoyed playing it.Imagine if Romero applied what he had learned by Doom 2 and Quake and made his own Thy Flesh Consumed style episode, if TFC kept being balls hard throughout its entirety (it does not fuck around on UV), and with a decent hell aesthetic distinct from Inferno. Has some consistent themes too, like the Evil Eye decoration being used to denote shootable switches, and those glowing red cracks like you saw in E1M8B.Some people were upset by how hard it was, and just wanted more Knee Deep In The Dead. I don't understand those people.I kinda wanna say that buying the physical box wasn't really worth it (mine arrived three weeks after shipping began, and people had already spread it on here in like a day), but I think the levels themselves with the Buckethead soundtrack was worth it, it's like $7 or so on Romero's site. The levels with .midi stand-ins is free.
can you recomend some good megawads that fit thematically with GMOTA? i've already played trough scythe 2 and eviternity
>>5729196Epic 2. Not medieval but close enough.
>>5728818Seems like this is gonna be one of those games where I stick around after Ive killed all the enemies to look for secrets for 30 minutes at a time.
>>5729115my ql binds are fun.1 for guantlet2 for railgun3 for shotgun4 for rocket launcherE for lightning gunX for grenade launcherZ for hmgF for mgCtrl for walkShift for crouchSpace for zoomM2 for jumpB for BFG10K, but I rarely use that.Once you find a good config for yourself, all the Quake games are much more fun.
>>5729236>>5729115> scroll up: primary> scroll down: secondary> Q: melee> 4-5: leave as is for pda>>5729173> instead of demonic weapons, they are eldritch weapons
>>5729186This is the best review of Sigil I've ever seen, props to you anon.Also, I bought the (smaller version) of the box because I had money to spare at the time, and everything you get is actually worth the price if you're into it all. The CD is all high quality songs, though none of the MIDIS which I was unhappy about, I wanted a CD packed full of Jimmy's songs. The stupid floppy disk USB drive is good quality plastic, and legitimately looks like a floppy. The box is also neat, I've been thinking of using it to keep shit in but I'm not really sure what.
>>5729173Making a roguelike isn't that hard.Making a good one is very hard.
>>5729267Yeah, there's a lot of shit indie roguelikes out there, the good ones are rare.
>>5729003Yes, they went as far as to create a special set of unique levels for shareware called The HUNT Begins.
>>5729001I think Duke's better levels are in E2 and E3. Hell, some of the best levels are even in E4 in my opinion.Same for Doom.
>>5729014>>5729026>>5729036He's misunderstanding it slightly. iD's run of discs with shareware (or at least one of them) included the rest of the game but it was locked off, and if you sent them money you could get it unlocked with a code.Didn't take long for people to crack it though.
>>5729332Wouldn't surprise me if Carmack sneakily leaked the key generator.
>>5728818Looks pretty fucking sick. Love all the new interactive details and effects like moving vehicles. Too bad they had to change the name, Ion Maiden was definitely catchier.
>you will probably never play through the 15 years of old Duke Nukem Forever buildsThey're all hiding in Randy's cheese pizza stash, aren't they?
>>5729342Carmack would be more likely leak source code than he would just an entire new game by itself.
>>5729030>3 button mouseF U T U R E B O I S
>>5729368>no scroll wheelC U R R E N T Y E A R B O I S
>>5729358He if anyone would know that people would crack that shit in an instant. Odd stuff.
>>5728818>thy flesh consumed
>>5729450"Ion fuck with that bruh">>5729375>WASD not being the PC game control standard yetF R A G L I K E I T ' S 1 9 9 6 B O I S
>>5729450>not ION WAIFU
https://youtu.be/-0SxLGxZfGgCheck out this awsome remix
>>5728437Sigil is the official episode 5If you dislike it you dislike Doom; it's that simpleYou must experience it with the Buckethead soundtrack
>>5729474jokes on you this is actually pretty fucking neatkinda like like that remix of field of hopes and dreams using megalovania instruments,
>>5729484I was being a troll but your cool
just finished DOPA in nightmare with the music pack some anon posted, pretty good but the secret level is a kick in the nuts and I'm a bit dissapointed the game doesnt have an end text that leads up to scourge of armagonalso the music pack needs two or three more songs because some maps use the same song
>>5729450ion fug :-DDDD
>>5729503>an end text that leads up to scourge of armagon?SOA came out in like 1996, why would DOPA lead into it?
>>5729517becuase DOPA advertises itself as the 5th episode of quake and SOA takes place after ranger telefrags niggurath
>>5729520Isn't the Baron a little old for Hulk Hands?
>>5729520Ground meat with batterer. Mmmm. Deep-fried baron.Gonna need some damn fine brushes (or whatever you use) to get the detailing and highlights right.
>install Xash3D>set resolution to my resolution of 1920x1080>game crops a huge portion of the screen>set to 1366x768>it looks fine nownot sure whats up with that it happens with some other programs too, kinda weird since it should adjust to my native resolution
>>5729524who are you to talk down on a man for wearing MOTHERFUCKING HULK HANDS
>>5729528BATTERER? What the fuck is wrong with me?
>>5729529dig into the config files
I wonder if spider-anon left.
>>5729524I'll be attempting to add glowing effects to make it not seem like he dipped his hands in watermelon. However>poking fun at a 9 ft tall muscleman wearing hulk hands>>5729528I tried using crimson wash but it did nothing but make him a bit more glossy, I'll be using my smallest available brush to make him seem less... undercooked.
Rip and tear
>>5729474>That OPL version
>>5729553Starting off with a lighter color probably would have been better from my understanding. Easier to get the midtones and shadows right that way. Darker stuff just eats up real estate like that. Any way to start over? Not saying it can't be saved but you know, starting over could be easier in the long run.
>>5729572It's been a few weeks since I started and took a break, but I recall starting off with a lighter shade of red, but I didn't like it, so I covered him in a darker shade. But now there's nothing darker to fill in the recesses, so my only available option seems to be black.But you're likely right, starting over would probably be easier. I like the bottom part of him though, so I could just suspend his upper body in acetone or simple green for a day or two and start over.
>>5729581Decided between a brighter shade of red and straight up pink. The bright red reminded me of a guy in a satan Halloween costume, so I went with picrel
>>5729581Straight up black is the worst offender. Overdo it even slightly and that'll be all you can see. At least that's how it works with traditional paintings. Acrylics and oil.Wish I had some solid advice for you, my dude. Just a bunch of might-not-even-be-relevant insights.
>>5729647You’re fine, and thanks for the tips. Anyways, for fear of going completely offtopic, I’ll just shut up and actually focus on painting.
idea for an enemy: an imp that teleports and summons fake copies of himselt and the player must guess who is the real impfake imps either don't attack or vanish later on or both
>>5729656fake copies fireball makes slightly different noise and does no damagealso maybe imps fire with the wrong hand
where did Doom get it's name from?
I'm having some weird performance issues with the steam version of Half Life on windows 10sometimes it stutters for no reason like when trying Echoes or Half Payne/BHLdid any of you experience these things?
>>5729714Try the beta branch
Half Life is most definitely and without question, the greatest FPS of all time.
>>5729692>>5729705look up and down while thinking WHAT IS LOVE
>>5728818Guess who's the VA for the villian.
>>5729759A L W A Y S B E T
>>5729759Good choice, he actually has a lot more range than people give him credit for.
>>5729759Nothing new, he voiced the villain in Bombshell before
>>5729774Noone played Bombshell, how would you know?
>>5729768>>5729759always bethone dewk
>>5728818> 3rd person sprites> chasecam + transparent player spritecan't complain about first person platforming if it isn't in first person :^)>>5729779> always dethrone duke
Any conversions with a more scifi feel to them? an XCOM mod would be neat just to play with the laser guns and shoot some Ayys.>>5729587A E S T H E T I C Doom mod?
>>5729783Alien Bastards just came out, if you haven't played it yet.
>>5729769I figured that out after finding he voiced Big the Cat for a spell.
>>5729783shooting up the aliens with our FUCKING PLASMA GUNS
>>5729783>XCOM modI'd kill for an xcom weapon and monster pack. Don't care if it's XCOM 1 or 2 or X-COM, any would be a good choice (preferably all of them). Final Doomer's Saturn pack actually uses the plasma shotgun from XCOM 2 as the pump shotty.
So, how are you people doing with your maps?So far I have played the skeleton thing, the small barracks map, the one with the huge pillar courtyard and shamblers and the surprisingly fun "learning how to map" five room map and some slaughtermap (which had some nice details, though).
>>5729785Thanks that's perfect.
>>5727254What do you folk think of project brutality?
>>5729843Simply put, it's Brutal Doom with more of what made Brutal Doom bad.
>>5729843It's basically just a fork of Brutal Doom with Realm667 monsters
>>5729789He did a dozen voices in the Gearbox expansions to Half-Life as well, the Dr. Rosenberg guy in Blue-Shift, and at least one of the drill sarges in Opposing Force.
>>5729783I remember an old skulltag weapon mod with railgun laspistols and mini rocket launchers, there is bulleteye or space pirate as well.
>>5729858sorry, not space pirate, its called spacehunter
>>5729819I have three evenings to finish my layout, detail, plunk enemies and pickups in, and then cry because there's no way I'm gonna convert a bunch of blocky block out brushes into a proper map in that time. Caffeine is no longer keeping me awake.
>>5729889Did you start so late or did it just take you so long? Or are you the dam guy?
>>5729889anon, I dont care how much you miss out on detail but the best you can do for productivity is having some fucking sleepIf enough people are still pressed for time by saturday we might figure something out
>>5729889Oh yeah, and playtest. Because we all know nothing ever runs smooth the first time. One crossed trigger, one errant skip and kablooie.>>5729892Not the dam guy, the idbase guy (the one who hates idbase, not the one posting those ridiculously good base mix screenshots on reddit and #quake_mapping). Started early, took days off because no ideas, got back into it late and underestimated how quickly I could work even when just throwing halls and shit together slipshod to make a semi-coherent route through the map.>>5729896I got a bunch of sleep, it didn't help.
>>5729915Overestimated, not underestimated. Fuck.
>>5729915you need a reasonable, regular sleep schedulesleeping too much or too little at random intervals will fuck you up
>made a busted hole in a hall of my techbase>lead to a shitty cave area with non-tech enemies>did some texture offsetting>make a little pool>add on some more hallways>about 2 hours in total>trenchbroom fucking crashes>lose it allHUUHI guess this is fate telling me to do it again and better
>>5729928TB automatically makes backups while working by default. Did you disable that? If so: why?techbase with a hole in the wall to non tech enemies is done so often to add enemy variety that I decided it was weirder to stick with just base enemies>>5729923It's too late.
Half Life is boring, has bullet sponge enemies and ruined the FPS genre as a whole.Doom is eternal and will never die, source mods will only last so long.
>>5729938That's the thing. It did that, but when i reopened TB, it was all gone. It said it created an autosave backup, but nothing was there.
>>5729819I already submitted my map and just started making a myhouse.bsp. If the deadline gets prolonged (and it's allowed to submit multiple maps), I am considering trying to make a myhouse with a twist, like taking the basic structure and twist and enlargen it or turning it upside down. On the weekend I might visit my parents, so I could even take my meterstick with me and get all the actual measurements.
>>5729942Check for subfolders in the directory you saved your maps to.
thoughts on blade of agony?
Admit hl is garbage valve drones.
>>5729947>On the weekend I might visit my parents, so I could even take my meterstick with me and get all the actual measurements.You'll 100% be better off eyeballing it. If you convert it directly using the most common conversion rate (1m=32qu), doorways will look like they're about eleven feet tall along with oversized geometry in general due to the player's low viewheight.
>>5729940>Half Life has bullet sponge enemies >but Doom doesn'tYeah I sure love blasting 6 shotgun shells into Cacodemons and like 12 into Barons of hell. Not bullet spongy at all.
>>5729957Yeah, I already noticed that. 32u is too narrow for the player anyways, so my plan is to build it as accurate as possible and then just scale up by 1.2-1.5. Everything else would just irritate me.
>>5729948you're a legend
>>5729819I'm physically and emotionally drained, and today I was spooked by the player viewpoint clip when I strayed too far from the center of the mapping space.I'm hoping to create one of the prettier maps in the project, but at what cost?
>>5729965If I cannot finish this map, others must succeed where I have failed.
>>5729961Some say the Super Shotgun is overpowered, but at the same time it does help to deal it with more "spongey" enemies.
>>5729971>call HL bullet spongy and say this is bad>someone calls Doom bullet spongy and you say they're a casualDoes this mean you're a casual too, if you can't handle HL's tougher enemies?
>>5729972>Some say the Super Shotgun is overpowered,...and that it always faces magnetic north. All we know is, he's called the Stig!
>>5729971Anon I know you know that Half Life is the greatest game ever made. Its time to admit it.
>>5729994Slit your fucking wrists, DKG.
Doom came out 5 years before HL and still blows it out of the water in terms of graphical style, music, and gameplay.
what do you listen to while mapping boys?I ran out of podcast episodes so now I'm listening to QueensrycheSPREAAAAADING THE DISEAAAAAASE
>>5730004The new Abbath album.
is there any way to read texel data using zscript? i wanted to add a feature to my mod where sectors get tinted based on the sky color
>>5730004>QueensrycheGood taste. This has been my go to album for creative stuff lately.
>>5730004I should check out more from that band.
>>5730004TWENTY FIVE BUCKS A FUCK AND JOHN'S A HAPPY MAN
Anyone tried any Doom Voxel mods?
>>5730071Inferior to what? Doom and Quake? Well yeah, it's essentially just an offshoot of Quake.
Ion Furry looks mediocre at best. Muh details, muh scale. Those maps represent nothing, unlike the old classics.
>>5729802>plasma shotgun from XCOM 2That’s pretty sweet.
>>5730080He probably means Opposing force
you picked up the wrong key motherfucker
>>5729940>edit one file>no more bullet spongesThat was easy
>>5729350this is the old prey builds make me sad
>>5730154He's not even here anymore you can stop sperging now.
Ignore the anti-hl autistDon't respond to the anti-hl autistLive happy knowing you aren't the anti-hl autist
>>5730181how much of a fucking autist do you have to be to shitpost against a 20 year old game anyways, for what fucking purpose?
>>5730189His autism is augmented
>>5730201what a shame, he could probably use his 'tism for someting good
>>5730208He tried, then his awful mod got leaked and he had a chimpout that even the worst of /vg/ posters wouldn't tolerate.
An erectionbut also despairLike seriously I'm thoroughly impressed at some of the stuff in this mod but the hit detection is incredibly annoyingshoot at a headcrab up close with a shotgun? miss!empty a whole magazine into a soldier? he is still standinggoddamit the plasma rifle is a nice touch though
>>5730036>he's not using sprint in old doom>essentially playing it wrongEither way, they're both fast and fun in their own right.That wasn't bait was it?
>>5730226>MUH OPINION IZ FACT! HOW DAARE YOU LIKE SOMETHIN' I HATE!
Pretty sure anti-HL fag can be reported for flooding at this point. He's not even in the right thread.
>>5730221>run around in Doom 4>is the way the game is meant to be played and you will be punished for standing still for too long>run around in old Doom>get buttfucked by hitscannersYeah no, playing fast in Doom is not the correct way to play. Old Doom punishes you for playing fast and rewards you for playing like a pussy.
>>5730246He's objectively spamming, so please do report him for that.
>gets shat on>switches tacticslmaoSo what are some cool singleplayer mods/mapsets for HL? I got Echoes, BHL and Half PayneI remember playing Paranoia and Cry of Fear ages ago
>>5730061Reikall's Voxels are pretty cool.
>>5730250Remember what Lo Wang used to say. No pain, no gain.
>>5730250Old Doom can be played like that if you're fast enough, speed and reaction-wise.I can even play it with traditional Dos controls/framerate.>>5730267Is that a real design for Eternal?
>>5730276No, just a fan design that’s trying to be accurate to the design that Doom 2016 had.
>try this spotify thing while mapping>they have nightfall in middle earth as expected>it's the fucking remastered version that butchered the shit out of itI guess I'll just have to get the original in soulseek
>>5730297Spotify is bad for you. Best to hoard shit like a turbo autist and save it all over the place in case the internet goes kerblooie.
>>5730310yeah I just wanted to get some automated recs since its been a longass time since I listened to anything newbeats going to /mu/
>>5730321What is the deal with /mu/ anyway?And somewhat back on doom, I remember on a previous thread someone said "id is the Metallica of video games" or something like that, and someone replied saying "dont compare them to faggots." Is Metallica "bad" now? Not a huge Metallica fan, but I'm just curious about the general consensus about the band nowadays.
>>5730321Blogspot, strangely enough, has a ton of good music archiving blogs. Links are mostly dead these days but the posts are still there. Info, track lists and stuff like that. Find one blog and you automatically run into a bunch of other interesting albums.Search engine: blogspot *** musicReplace *** with a genre.
>>5730250>run around in old Doom>get buttfucked by hitscannersIf you run for the sake of running and with no kind of plan, yeah. Break their line of sight with map geometry or trick them to hit other enemies.
>>5730334oh yeah, I remember coming across cool stuff at random back when megaupload was alivefound a couple of cool albums just by trying out stuff based on the covercurrently I'm listening to Alice in Chains since Dirt was listed among others as an influence in Doom's soundtrack I'm determined to listen to everything related because why not
>>5730356nice, literally just listened to the entirety of Dirt a few days ago, pretty sure Dem Bones was a direct inspiration for a D1 track
>>5730321The best ways for discovering music is through rateyourmusic, /mu/ genre starter packs or a private tracker called Redacted. Go to rateyourmusic, pick a genre you are interested in, and listen to the top rated albums for that genre. Once you have done that you can look at the lists and forum on RYM to find similar music.
>>5730331>Metallicahttps://files.catbox.moe/e02pxl.midApparently a rejected Revilution track. It's fookin rad... man.
>>5730356A lot of the music iD told Bobby to crib from was some really good stuff.>>5730361More than just one, counting a couple of the unused tracks, I think like half of the Dirt album got .midified
>>5730376WRONG TRACK OOPShttps://files.catbox.moe/4hf3pk.mid
Hey whats the worst doom mod that exists
>>5730331I haven't listened much to them besides a couple of albums, but I complaint I heard is that they just kept doing the same thing over and over and never stopped. Don't know if that's true.
>>5730393May as well be. After Wolf3D, I think everything they've made has been FPS. Doom, Doom 2, Ultimate Doom, Final Doom, Quake, Quake 2, Quake 3, Doom 3, Quake 4, Rage, Doom 4, etc.
>>5730331doom is metallicaquake is nine inch nailsblood is type o negativewhat other metal bands fit with other retro fps?
is nightmare mode in quake supposed to be the equivalent of ultra violence right?
>>5730437nope, you are better off playing on Hard
>>5730443well shit I aldready played quake and dopa on nightmare, why make that difficulty if it aint gonna be your UV equivalent anyways?
>>5730459anon, do you have brain damage?>too young to die: not present in quake>not too rough: easy>hurt me plenty: medium>ultraviolence: hard>nightmare: nightmareinstead of doom's nightmare which takes UV and adds fast and respawning monsters and double ammo pickups, quake's nightmare takes hard and adds much faster monster attacks but doesn't change things otherwise
>>5730417Duke is Megadeth.
methinks Ribbiks hates me and my entire family lineand Im sure this is one of the least dickish setups I'm gonna find on Sunlustmaybe I should switch to HMP
>>5730520Anon, no! Don't play on Hug Men Plenty.You can handle Ultra Venereal.
>>5730526But anon Im Too Hung to Dilate
>>5730528Hey, Nerds Target Rect-Ok, that's enough. Pick one you enjoy. Going in blind is rough. Work your way up in the future or something. I dunno.
>>5730331They were like, a really, really good band back in the day. Their aggressiveness and energy was sincere. After And Justice For All, fame got up their head, they started to sign with bigger labels that promised them bigger money in exchange of playing stuff that could pander to the general public, leaving hardcore fans behind. The band members started to become real unlikable assholes.It makes sense.Compare Wolfenstein 3D to Kill em All.Compare Doom to Ride the LightningCompare Quake 1 to Master of PuppetsCompare Quake 2 to And Justice For AllCompare Quake 3 to Black Album.Compare Doom 3 to LoadCompare Quake 4 to ReloadCompare Rage to Death MagnetCarmack lost his taste of making stuff he enjoys and opted to make things that would make him rich. Just like Hetfield. They are famous and rich now, but they are hollow. They are just a mere shadow of what they used to be back in the day.
>>5730549dunno about Carmack, he seems happy enough trying to break new ground again with VRbut since I know squat about VR I dont know how that's going
>>5730549hey, i like quake 3
>>5730553Carmack's ambitions with VR were short lived, he abandoned VR almost a decade ago. Sold his project to somebody else, now is working designing rockets.
>>5730549Quake 1 was the last id game with John Romero, which perfectly matches in order with the last Metallica's album with Cliff Lee Burton before his death. Both id and Metallica started to die after that.
>>5730503oh well, I guess I'll just play the official releases on nightmare and play fanmade content on hard
>>5730558his bio still says he works at Oculus though
>>5730549the only problem is metallica was never good
>>5730549>and dumbest comment of the day goes to
taking a break from Sunlust and doing Thunderpeak UVWell damn I feel silly now for not trying this out sooner, I'm instantly absorbed and barely a couple of rooms inalso am I crazy or is this the first time I see Doors opening Quake style in a PWADsorcery
>>5730549So Doom 4 is Hardwired ...To Self Destruct? A pretty solid album/game that's honestly a step below their earlier work but still better than a good chunk of nu-thrash/nu-retro fps
>>5728818good god that's gorgeous for a modern build gamethat's just too much for a talentless hack like melikeDAMN
>>5730587Slide-o-matic doors became a ZDoom thing more than a decade ago.
>badmotorfingerholy shithow come I'm just finding out about these guysdamn Bobby stole from some good shit
>>5730515>Duke Nukem is MegadethAlright!Here's my take, but allowing for pop, rap, folk, Reggae, Classical and Jazz>Witchraven 1 & 2Richie Blackmore Rainbow>Redneck Rampage, Suckin' grits on Route 66 and RR Rides againZZTop>SS1Rage against the Machine>NAMFallout Boy>WW2GIMotorhead>TekWarDeadMau5>Shadow Warrior SMAP>Extreme PaintbrawlInsane Clown Posse>SS2Daft Punk>Chex QuestMilk and Cereal song>Terminator: Future ShockPantera>HL1Bach>Shadow Warrior 2Millie Vanilli>Team Fortress ClassicSpinal Tap>HereticJethro Tull>HexenBehemoth>StrifeDIO>Dark Forces 1 and 2John Williams>Quake 2Mastadon>Wolf 3DJohn Lennon's solo work>BreathlessIron Maiden>Behind the Iron GateMozart>Genetic SpeciesMotley Crue>Psycho CircusKISS>Alien TrilogyAnthrax
>>5730640>NAM>Fallout BoyHow unFortunate, Son.
GOD I CANT FUCKING WAIT FOR ION FURYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWHAT THE FUCK DO I PLAY IN THE MEANTIME
>>5727254What's the best way to play Shadow Warrior these days? I saw that the buildGDX project is looking to support it in the future but I couldn't find much on a Shadow Warrior GDX or something similar. Most people say just buy it off steam and play it.....but most people tend to be faggots so...
>>5730730Unlike usual, the Steam version really is the best. All the fan ports are unfinished/buggy.
>>5730745the F2P steam version or the Redux?
>>5730717Try Monster Hunter
>>5730717If you haven't, try Rise Of The Triad.Or Return To Castle Wolfenstein.One that's not an FPS; True Lies on the Snes or Genesis, one of those movie license games which was actually really good.
>>5730745>>5730746Redux isn't much better sadlyIt's probably the best way to play at the moment thoughI have hope for Shadow Warrior GDX whenever a version is released
>like the first two Innocent Crew wads>play Obituary>level design is better than the first two>gameplay experience is completely ruined because of the custom rocket launcher enemySeriously whyThe map designer treats these things like they're chaingunners, where you can put one behind a player to surprise themYou can't fucking do that with these guys though, a chaingunner surprise might take off 10-20% of your health if you're quick and these fucking things can kill you at 100% healthIt's literally a cyberdemon rocket they're firing at you
What type of texture filtering do you guys like? I've been using the default with increased gamma for maximum visibility + visual quality.
>>5730869I play with no filter and at 320x240 resolution.
>>5730847>playing gzdoom map>expect it to be vanilla but with freelook and some UDMF features>open a door to a surprise such as>annihilator cyberdemon>mastermind with BFG>neon baron recolor>SSG zombie>Unmaker zombiewhat fun!
>>5730869texture nearestmipmap linearanisotropy 16No filter up close, no shimmering in the distance, everything is nince ant crisp inbetween.
>>5728818>Samuel Jackson or The Mouse is going to sue their asses next
>>5730880Nice, really makes those crunchy pixels pop!
>>5730892I wanted to forget that map, anon, why did you remind me?
>>5730897It gets worse.
>>5730898>>5730892>inb4 VHS filter
thank you to anon who posted that enhanced vanilla stuff last thread, never knew about vanilla essence,caulked sounds, or fancy world. I made a load order with doomvisor,beautiful doom, darkdoom, and brightmaps plus, along with almost all of the stuff from that post and its now really fucking claustrophobic and scary.
>>5730261Try out some Syndicate black ops
>>5730906that looks like dookiealso the blood is on the inside of the visor on the left and at the top
ever notice how ogres have Richard D James's face
>>5730925everything in quake 1 is rapey, its a scary place
What is it about Ancient Aliens that makes it such a remarkable WAD?
>>5730906You mean this one >>5725679 ?If so, no prob bud, enjoy. Also make sure you play around with your Vanilla Essence settings. At first I fell for the cronch meme, and it was nice, but nowadays I just play with the low-resolution option off and dynamic lights on.I don't like the doomvisor thing, and I think DarkDoomZ goes too overboard with the darkness (but its flashlight is nice), but you do you
>>5730949>>5730906Oh and also - make sure you do not load Brightmaps Plus if you're not also loading D2 Sprite Fix, or you'll get nasty cacos with bloodshot eyes and other visual bugs. For WADs with custom sprites, I don't load D2 Sprite Fix and I load the default Brightmaps instead.
>"oh, there's [literally any item], I should go grab it">ceiling comes down and crushes you to death without warningWhy do so many custom maps do this
>>5730953beautiful doom replaces the eyes of all the monsters, so all thats left of brightmaps plus is the computer screens and light textures>>5730949yeah that post, brightmaps plus and having dynamic lights on seems to solve the problem with dark doom doing that, I have it set on dim with -10 in the adjustment slider so it only gets really dark in sectors that don't have a bright texture in them or are really dark normally.
>>5730937THE COLORSWHAT DO THEY MEAN?>>5730956it's funny.
>>5730937I've given up on map15. Generic keyhunt, and overwhelming slaughter shit. Levels are also samey, the only interesting one was Map09, which played shit, but looked like something made by a human, not by a robot with a random map generator.
>>5730976It's not funny if you're the kind of person who tries to only save once or twice per map at most and who often has to do the entire fucking map again to get back to that point.
>>5730979>he thinks Ancient Aliens gets slaughterwaddy at any pointAnon...
>>5730979>aaliens map15>keyhuntare you stupid
>trying to use railgun in Shadow Warrior>keep missing>mfw it doesn't even aim where the fucking crosshair pointsPerfect design for a weapon whose entire purpose is accuracy.
>>5731038So turn the crosshair off and use your mental Wang to aim.If you're actually playing that is and not just regurgitating what video man said.
>>5729960You cannot measure what is a bulletsponge like that. Guns and ammo have different values in different games.Shotgun in Doom doesn`t need to reload and fires pretty fast, 6 shells are nothing.6 shotguns shells in Half Life leaves you without ammo needing to reload.
>>5730979>I've given up on map15. Generic keyhunt, and overwhelming slaughter shit.Funny, that's how I felt about BTSX1
>>5731043Why reload when you have a bunch more weapons to use?
>>5731045Speaking of BTSX and AA, how are they with the Final Doomer weapons for them?
>>5730937I gave up on Map01. >entered teleport>saw a Cyberdemon>Alt+F4'ed>prayed for the creator to contract a terrible diarrhea
>>5731048You aren't going to throw that shotgun away forever. At some point you will need to stop and reload. Then you will fire the sub-machinegun or the pistol, which also requires reloading.
>>5731056And by then the fight is over. BURP
>>5731041>If you're actually playing that is and not just regurgitating what video man said.Yeah, I was playing the game. What are you even talking about? People on this board have such hateboners for e-celebs that they seem to bring them up as much as e-celeb fans.
>>5731050Kek. The creator said he put the cyberdemon in map01 specifically to let people know what kind of gameplay the wad had in store so they'd just quit like that. Although in the lower difficulties he's actually replaced with a manc.
>>5730994That's fucking hilarious.
>>5731068No hate boner. Just a common occurrence.
>>5731045BTSX doesn't even have slaughter shit aside from the secret map in E2.
>>5730994I learned playing blind + saveless is a terrible idea after falling into an inescapable pit an hour into a long map with otherwise easy combat.
>>5731003Maps 28 and 29 are actual slaughtermaps in AA.
>>5731045I'm on map14
>>5730091I was turned off at first too. Weird performance issues didn't do it any favors.Gave it 6 months or so and ran through the demo a few times. Still getting the odd lag spike but nothing serious. Pretty fun once you're familiar with enemy behavior. Bowling bombs feel really screwy at times tho, even with auto aim off.
>dude lets just have enemies come out of nowhere lmaowhy is duke3d so shit? and im playing on come get some, not the hardest where i know enemies respawn
He knows your secrets. He found them all.
>>5731163HOW MANY WALLS DID HE HUMPED TO KNOW THEM?
>>5731163But I haven't even released my map yet.
>>5731163why does doomguy have a hair bun
>>5731171The Scout's beret looks weird. At first I thought it was like the Philosopher's Stone from Terraria.
>>5731174He had to bribe his way in somehow.
Oldschool FPS are fun, but you people really should stop worshiping them as untouchable masterpieces. Ironically, Heretic, the best of all, never gets talked about here.>DoomUgly level design, ugly weapon designs, not every enemy has its own sounds, lots of unnecessary RNG damage, artistic inconsistency everywhere.>Quake 1Repetitive levels, bullet sponge enemies, shitty weapons, everything is monochromatic, complete lack of design direction.>Quake 2It's easier to make a list of good things about this game: There is a cool soundtrack and cool graphics for it`s time, and that's it.>DukeHitscanners in open areas without windup time, half of the weapons are useless. Many confusing levels.>BloodDuke 2: More stupid weapons, more hitscanners, and now the doors kills you.>HexenHeretic, but done wrong.
>>5731176>picThat catwalk on E1M1 is an iconic landmark at this point, isn't it
>>5731185Forgot to mention, Doom and Quake's abysmal anti-climatic endings that makes you question why you wasted your time playing them to the end.
>>5731185>hereticboring guns with no feel to them muh majick
>>5731185Duke has great leveldesign, especially from Allen Blum. Doom had shit design back then, but caught up marvellously with releases like Sigil or NRFTL. Blood episode 2 is epic.Quake is disgusting shit, we all can agree with that.
>>5731210This post was not made in good faith.
So, why are people not talking about Prodeus here? Too long till release? Drama that shouldn't consider any sane person? Or will it be actually shit? At least the editor looked pretty cool.
>>5731237What about Ion Fury then?
>>5731245Technically that should count. I mean we are talking about mods and tcs which are made on a retro engine but are a loot newer than 2000
>>5729968this doesn't look so bad anon, keep it up, I want to see this map released.
>>5731245Uh, wait, what engine is Prodeus on? I thought it also ran on some Build/3DGE derivate.
>>5730250imagine not reacting fast enough
>>5731257I love those faces. Quality stuff, this meme.
>>5731232I haven't heard much about the game other than hearing about a Doom mapper doing some maps, and only saw one gameplay video. Funny that a lot of these throwback games don't use a limited color palette, which I thought was interesting at least for Ion Fury.
>>5731276Ah, well fuck. Pretend I never asked.
>>5730889I really hate the SSG zombie actually.Maybe because my experience with them is mostly them being used as replacements in gameplay mods, where they'll throw the balance completely tits off because most levels ever are not made with them in mind.They can easily sneak up on you because they sound like all the other zombies, and at 20 fucking pellets at once, RNG is just not likely to be kind to you.Mind that normal shotgun baldies only hit you for 3 pellets, so that's like being hit by like 6 or 7 baldies simultaneously, which is something that'd only be likely to happen in some kind of crafted ambush or trap encounter.
>>5731334Can you do one with no nose?
>>5730898This makes me think: has anyone ever recorded playing Doom, Wolf3D, Quake, Blood, or the Duke Nukem games on VHS or Betamax, such as via a camera supporting either one of the formats?
>>5731185I don't think anyone worships them that way. It's pretty obvious they have flaws, but just listing your complaints in a general way without describing what exactly is wrong with those things is just glorified shitposting.I'd also argue that Blood's arsenal is much better than you think it is, and comparing it to Duke's does it a huge disservice. Apart from slightly redundant dynamite types, every weapon is unique; in addition to different damage types and effects, their mode of operation can be hitscan, thrown, missile, constant short-range stream, and whatever the voodoo doll does. Compare and contrast with Duke's 90's obligatory three hitscan weapons and however many slightly different missile shooters. I also like how they made the pistol slot not useless ten minutes into the game by making it an actually viable weapon with a mean secondary attack.
>>5731361That's okay, I'll take Cacoguy as a fair compromise.
Doom:But the soundtrack is made by Susumu Hirasawahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDKeKzkM784
>>5731385Eternal takes place on that fucking boat and there's nothing you can do about it
As the deadline nears, madness sets in.
>>5731397Just gonna place this here aaaaand leave.
>>5731397I only have 3 small rooms in mine. Despite all the great tutorials of how to USE Trenchbroom there's nothing on how to actually design a decent level
>>5731446>open up id levels on TrenchBroom>steal until you figure what you like and what works for the player
fellow doomguise, do you know what sound card or sound patch is used in this ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qURei6svd90It has that big drum hit, that is not in SC-55 or other commonly used sound fonts.
>>5731446Fill them with something and post here. We will figure stuff out. Why not make a battle at a mountain top? Or some tiny monastery? Or a small house that leads to a cave of unspeakable horrors?
>>5731045>BTSX E1>SlaughterSince when?
>>5731482It feels overwhelming at times.
>was going to crunch-time map today>car speedometer took a shit and now i get to figure out why
why is the minor sprite fixing project fucking up custom HUDs?
>>5729981God damn it. I like Grand Tour, but I miss the good old Top Gear. The jokes felt more honest and also better simply because they were on BBC that's known here only for the natural documentaries.
>>5731504Might need to fix load order.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR6qFFEkALgMy kingdom for a comprehensive, complete, uncensored history of the entire dev cycle of DNF.
>>5731485if BTSX E1 is slaughtery, then so is Suburbs from Doom 2.
>>5727254They changed the name.
>>5730730I use Shadow Warrior Classic Redux.
>>5731534This is awesome, Build engine with 3D models and long scripted sequences. Too bad we may never get to play it.
>>5731605The 1998 demo video was on the Quake II engine. Immediately after it premiered Broussard had 3DR switch to Unreal. There was allegedly a Build Engine DNF version that didn't get very far in development. It was allegedly going to be all voxels
why do I feel more at ease shotgun starting in Quake than pistol starting on Doom?I generally have more fun with the first one, dunno why
>>5731616the quake shotgun is weak but usablethe pistol does no damage and feels awful to shoot thanks to the 114ms delay between clicking and shooting
>>5731349of course people have recorded game footage onto tapes.
>>5731232Gameplay doesn't look very good, uninspired arsenal, lackluster visual design between that horrible filter and how monsters share similar colors with the levels themselves. From what I've seen the game really doesn't have a personality of its own.Only really cool things about it are the automap and the fact it comes with map editing tools.
>>5731646>comes with map editing toolsdoes this mean we can expect more Blood/Duek maps soon? never mapped for build so I dont know if this will make things easier for modders
>>5727254I've noticed that "Slaughterwad" is often used as a pejorative in the Doom community. Isn't there merit to the concept of a "slaughter map"? It seems like the equivalent of boiling Doom down to its pure action basics - dodging projectiles, crowd control, pickup management, reflexes. It seems like a welcome change of pace from keyhunting, a nice crescendo if you will. What differentiates a good slaughter map from a bad slaughter map? How do you get a feel for its flow? Are the derisive "muh slaughter" remarks coming from some place of legit criticism, or are they from people who can't git gud at them?
>>5731654Prodeus isn't build, that's Ion Fury
>>5731661oh yeah got those mixed updidnt ken silverman release a new version of the build engine to the public too?
>>5731668If he hasn't yet I think he's working on it.
>>5731616Quake's shotgun, though not too powerful, is actually a pretty useful weapon.
How do I enable the correct aspect ratio in DOOM 64 EXit stretches at 640x480 and I don't want that.
>>5731043Thats a fucking retarded argument for multiple reasons. 6 shotguns blasts is not "nothing." It takes an annoying amount of time considering that usually there are more than 1 cacodmons at a time you are dealing with. hence why the SSG was introduced to make killing lesser enemies less of an annoyance. In Half Life the enemies that require the most shotgun blasts would be the bullsquids or the Alien Grunts which need 3 M2 blasts each on hard. Both of these enemies also rarely ever show up in more than groups of 2. Also in Half Life ammo is much less of a concern and you have a much larger variety of weapons. The reason you use the shotgun in Doom is because you don't want to waste precious rocket or lasergun ammo on lesser enemies like Cacodemons. In Half Life you have guns like the crossbow which can dispatch enemies very fast and the ammo is pretty plentiful.
DUDE YOUR GAME IS FLAWED LMAO IM A CRITIC
>>5731616>i have more fun with a shotgun than I do with a pistolman this is tough I wonder why that could be.....
>>5731774you can have a useless shotgun and a handy pistol.ie Doom 3.
>>5731616Doom's pistol is nothing but a stopgap, you basically never ever use it if you have anything better.Whittling down a Revenant's health with the pistol is a chore. In fact, fighting ANYTHING with Doom's pistol isn't fun.Quake's shotgun is kind of a stopgap too, but it has good range with common ammo, and it actually doesn't do terrible damage, just being weaker than everything else.Fighting an Ogre with the shotgun on the contrary doesn't take long, and the shotgun is actually useful for taking out ogres and other longer ranged nuisances at a distance.Hell, if you want to, you can even take out a Shambler with the base shotgun in a few situations, and this sounds tedious (it's certainly not an expedient method), but it doesn't actually take THAT long given the fairly fast rate of fire, and how you're likely to hit with most pellets even at distance.
>>5731793I'm a Doom 3 apologist, but Jesus Christ the standard shotgun in that game is such a bad scene.
>>5731569Why not bombshell again though?
>>5731765[Distant sound of people clapping]
>>5731765and post of the year goes to:DUDE [insert anything here] LMAO
>>5731804I'd say the pistol's a good way to get the player into the "mooD" of Doom, but that only works if the very first level is somewhat built around it (at least the beginning of the level). It does decent damage against the former humans in the armor room on E1M1 (depending if you play on certain difficulties of course), and it kills them fairly quickly before you get the shotgun. Same thing with MAP01, it gets the player engaged by having them think on their feet by starting with the weakest weapon against the weakest enemies, as long as said weapon is at least powerful enough to take them down.But then again that's prolly the philosophy of most FPS games in general.
how do i keep myself busy until golden souls 3
>>5731871Play Ancient Aliens again.
>>5731871Mapping, and make GS3 release your deadline.
>>5731657>Isn't there merit to the concept of a "slaughter map"? There is, but it's a flavor of Doom which just isn't appealing to most people, it's the licorice of Doom, you might not like it, I might not like it, but that guy over there, he fucking loves the stuff.Also, of course, as with all other types of Doom, it can be done well, or it can be done poorly.
>>5731693please help me with this
>>5727254>Berserk>GutsNo it doesn't. At least DOOMRL had the weapons from Berserk.>>5730840Redux was built on SWP. The first campaign was fully playable, but ran too fast for me. The other maps have to be loaded one by one.http://swcentral.weebly.com/swphowto.html
>>5731898Just set the res to your monitor's res and the aspect ratio should be correct.
>>5731904couldn't come up with anything better and I wanted to use that image for the OP
>>5731906but i want something like chocolate doomwhere 640x480 doesnt stretch the game, instead giving black borders on the side
>>5731657>pick up invul>run around while firing BFG>wow such gameplay very slaughterSlaughter isn't even always hard, many times the true difficulty is figuring out how to time your use of powerups and triggers. It's like meta gameplay, it's just weird and lame to me.
>>5731804Pistol is fun, that's why people do pistol starting. Surviving the first seconds of a new level with pistol only is very rewarding, after you pickup the good weapons things become easier and less intense.
>>5731980Depends on the level, E4M1 stays intense for the entire map, even when you have the rocket launcher and shotgun.
>>5731980The reason I personally like pistol starting is I think the most fun parts of FPS games is how you slowly "level up" your firepower throughout the game. Pistol starting maps is that on a small scale, so it's repeatedly rewarding to me.
>>5731993I like D1 having pistol start for each episode.Whereas D2 and D2 wads being one big lump kinda defeats some level difficulty.
>>5732001I do prefer episodic approaches like that. Hence I kinda like when D2 .wads do the death exit thing to divide things up into episodes.
>>5732001Yeah, I like that too, same with Build3D games. I hope that's something that FPS games pick up on again.
>>5731185heretic has a weak enemy roster aside from having more interesting boss fights
>>5731980/doom/ ruined me. I used to think pistol starting any map was a meme, but then I gave it an honest try and now - I can't imagine vanilla doom gameplay any other way. Not even carrying over weapons if the player doesn't die, just pistol starting regardless.bless the IDCLEVer mod
>>5731185>Quake 1>everything is monochromaticThere's an entire episode of grey/blue metal, and multiple blue-themed levels.>Duke>Hitscanners in open areas without windup timeYou can literally strafe dodge them.>half of the weapons are uselessTrue, but it has significantly more weapons than say Doom, so there's plenty of useful weapons overall.>Blood>Duke 2: More stupid weapons, more hitscanners, and now the doors kills you.Git gud.>Hexen>Heretic, but done wrong.Hexen's combat is way better than Heretic's. You wanna talk about bullet sponges? The basic Imp equivalent in Heretic (Undead Warrior) takes 4-5 crossbow blasts to kill. In Hexen you can kill most enemies in 1 or 2 shots of your 3rd weapon.
is it possible to make a recurring unique boss/enemy type in a doom mod?like, any time he "dies" in certain encounters he just teleports out of the levelbut in the actual last time you meet him, he dies for real
>>5732092Have two different variants of the monster. One teleports away for its death effect, and the other actually dies. Then you can give them different attacks.
>>5732110>Then you can give them different attacks.would be ideal for when he's stronger and more agressive like in most video game boss fightsi was thinking about this when i imagined the marauder from the upcoming doom as a potential "vergil" to doomguy's "dante"
>>5732179I know nothing about modding Doom, but that seems like the most simple solution to your problem.
>>5731657Slaughterwads with ridiculous monster counts are for brainlets who want to feel hardcore or think Doom is some shitty JapShmup. Good mappers realize this and focus on small encounters if they want to make hard wads. Even Ribbiks, one of the defining "hard-mappers", got woke and largely avoids slaughter these days.
>>5732314The 14th. Better get mapping!
So is Xash3D the best way to play HL without steam? Or should I just go with the old WON version.
>>5732319is that a fucking joke
>>5732331we may or may not get a last extensionwe'll see when Sunday comes
>>5732240t. skilless idiot who cannot enjoy the beauty of Insane Gazebo
>>5732371Gazebo is certainly an artist but has no idea what the hell he's doing with gameplay aside from flooding areas with a bunch of shit between platforms over inescapable pits.
>>5732240Based. Slaughter is shit.
>>5732392>inescapable pitsthat's fair
>>5732392fair point on the inescapable pitsfuck you though he knows what he's doing
>all these modern kiddies who can't handle a slaughtermaplmao just get good.
>EntData_Parse: closing brace without datawhat le fug is this shit?
>>5732321Until Valve pushes the current beta build to the public, Xash3D is currently the best option.
>>5732436Give us some context or a full condump.
>>5732396Is this from Simploo?
Beat both expansions to Shadow Warrior, Twin Dragon and Wanton Destruction. TD was definitely better. WD just didnt feel like Shadow Warrior - too many generic city levels and cramped, frustrating encounters. Plus some ugly enemy reskins and terrible voice clips. TD only has one new sprite, for the boss, and it actually aint bad. Also they really dropped the ball not calling it WONTON Destruction.
Alien Bastards is fun and it's weird how there's three arachno/brain enemies.Something that bugs me about mods like these is when enemies are changed visually to fit the theme but the likes of Mancubi, Revenants and HK's still look demonic/unchanged (Besides maybe color palette) so they stick out like a sore thumb.Then again, enemy sprites are never easy.
>>5732480in what difficulty did you play it?
>>5732494Wanton on medium, Dragon on hard cause Wanton felt too easy. Well your health can be decimated easily on both difficulties, but there were so many portable medikits it didn't feel challenging.
Mp5 or m4 in HL?
>>5732480I wonder if they’ll bring back Hung Lo in the reboot.
>>5731830Because Fried and 3dRealms are INSISTING on making that garbage relevant instead of starting from scratch
>>5732519Fuck I really prefer the original models chunky models to the high def pack.
>>5732454I figured it outOf all things, it was because I had quotation marks in a message trigger.
>>5732545Yeah, that happens. Gotta use single quotes.
>>5732445Alright, I got Xash and it seems nice so far. Just what I needed, a simple port to run the game in a more modern OS.My only nitpick is the removal of the neat WON menus, and my only gripe is that the Duke3D mod doesn't work. Other than that, it's good.
>>5732519Can you use the high def pack from blue shift and regular HL in Opfor?
>>5732554you can use the WON version on the archive.org
>>5732545does using \" instead of just plain " work
is it possible to get Grezzo 2 to launch through gzdoom?
>>5731994do these maps work with other mods?
>>5731176prepare to be sued by the red cross
>>5732559You mean like with the HEV suit arms? You could if you use the ripped versions by youreviltwin, if you can still find it, otherwise I think the Generations installer just hard loads the versions for you (Barney's arms in Blue-Shift, Adrian's arms in Opposing Force), and they can't really be overriden, and the Steam version has them where you toggle them in the options, and they'll override whatever else is there, be it the stock models or whatever you've added manually.>>5732532They do have some charm to them, I guess, but even as a kid I felt they looked a bit crude, I think the HD models looks nicer without looking way out of place.Also I like oldschool AR15s
Is there a way to lower 100 sectors to a specific value when they all have different height ?
>>5732523I wonder if it'll even get a third game.First one was pretty good, but the second one was a horrible cutrate Borderlands ripoff that kind of shat on the first game.I wish for them to make a new game (with actual level design, and it's not a lootershooter) which completely ignores that the second game happened, maybe write it off as a fever dream of Lo Wang or something.
>>5732668I just found out the pack for Opfor.I do like the shotgun more and the and m4 sound, but I would prefer they had done a higher res mp5 like some packs around. Black mesa was close quarters anyway and they were special forces.Not a fan of the beretta model also. But then again the vanilla glock was also shit.I love HL grunts. We should have had tons more mods with them. Shit even a xcom type game.
Where do you get inspiration for level design? What games have your favourite level design and what do you like about them?
>>5732674There's a mod for XCOM WOTC that adds in the HECU as soldiers and lets them use their SPAS-12s and MP5s as tier 1 weapons.
In Ion Fury does anyone else hear Will Ferrel for the enemy voices?
>>5732575it has a launcher
I'm the goldeneye dude, I'll try to boost power through the weekend
>>5732710Well holy shit anon, you just had to catch me unawares after I deleted my reaction folders I'm going to give it a try
>>5732710Id play it right now if it wasn't 3am here. But I have it saved and will give it a shot tomorrow. Looks really fucking cool.
>>5732716Thanks! Let me know if something breaks so we can take a look and try to reproduce it.We're actually looking to launch it on Steam soon, so keep an eye out for that.
>>5732709Reminds me of the exorcistImagine her face as the icon of sin
>>5727254Is there a TES or Build Engine equivalent of TerryWADs?
>sells more than goldeneye and doomPsst Nothing personal kid.
>>5732771>What are Quake 1, Quake 2, Q3A, Shadow Warrior, and Duke Nukem 1, 2 and 3D
>no buildwiki like there is a doomwikiFUCK
>>5732784i'm pretty sure it sold more than those games especially the build engine games.
>>5727254Duke 3D, Redneck Rampage and Shadow Warrior but as special editions.
Can anybody suggest some good podcasts to listen to while making levels?I'm trying to get back into it now, but nothing political please as that stuff isn't comfy listening.
>there are two wikis for doom and hl.Explain yourselves.
>tfw HUH deadline is tomorrow>tfw realize I won't finish my map even if I crunchIt's an abstract kind of feel. I'm not going to ask for extensions or pity though, I don't wanna be that guy. I suppose I might still even release it someday, but on its own
>>5732827Hardcore HistoryThe History of Rome>nothing politicalfuck you listen to The Dick Show if you liked Biggest Problem in the Universeor go listen to biggest problem and begin the mother of all journeysThe QuakecastInside at LastThe Tolkien professorWho are these podcasts
>>5732843I ain't having none of that good sireven if we don't extend the deadline I'll still accept stragglers while I work on the hub
>>5732843>I'm not going to ask for extensions or pity though, I don't wanna be that guy.me irl
>>5732827The Official Podcast (made by Criti1kal)Sleepycast
>>5732874>The Official Podcast (made by Criti1kal)kaya is the only decent part of that podcast>Sleepycasthahaha no
>>5732879What's wrong with Sleepycast? Just curious
>>5732880mainly that dude with the insufferable voice
>>5732879What the hell are you on? Kaya’s the worst.
>>5732883He just has a 20-year cold anon, be kind.
What are some wads with good plot?
>>5732883i'm going to sever your brain stem and it'll be freakin sweet lois
>>5732905SY KICK PEBELSSPAZ KIHD
>>5732901Usagi is like 14 or 16.
How to I play HL effectively on Hard? I feel like the only way to take minimal damage against the soldiers is to abuse their AI.
>>5732928She certainly dont look that age
>>5727254NEW THREAD NOW! *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP* NEW THREAD NOW!
>>5732827more people in the doom community need this image to be shoved this down their throat.
>>5732947if you're gonna do the lets go defense chant "make a new thread" would fit it better, instead of stretching the "now"you baka.
>>5732934Pistol. Then magnum and grenade launcher.
>>5732934Also in order to use grenades, prepare them beforehand and use designated "last weapon" key.
>>5732827I've been listening to The Last Podcast on the Left pretty much nonstop now, they get mildly political every now and then but it's mainly all in good fun.
>>5731657>Are the derisive "muh slaughter" remarks coming from some place of legit criticism, or are they from people who can't git gud at them?This gives me the feeling you don't want a good faith argument here.Anyway, what >>5731961 said already hits the mark. Slaughter is largely made by mappers who have played Doom ad nauseam, to the point where the traditional mechanics bore them and the only entertainment value they can get out of the game is by exploiting the system in an extreme manner. At that point what you're playing becomes a separate "meta" game (could almost be considered bullet hell), and that's not the genre most people came for.I think that's why so many folks chafe at Hideous Destructor--aside from the steep (and arguably unintuitive) learning curve, the mod is a super sharp departure from Doom's simple-to-control high-speed power-fantasy thrill ride.
Don't extend the HUH deadline. It was already extended like a week. I wanna play all the maps. All the map shitters that couldn't finish their map (me included) had enough time
>>5732674There's a bunch of custom skins on FPSBanana, if you want to try some different pistols and SMGs.Whether you'll like them is another story.
>>5732841wikia is shit
>>5732883Assuming you're talking about Zach, I got used to his voice after a while and then it became endearing. Plus, he's actually pretty damn funny.