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Previous Thread : >>5594135

>Try to keep things /vr/ related: Focus should be on 5th Gen (+Dreamcast) games on back. Slight off topic is fine so long as it's related to CRTs, such as later 16:9 models, HD models, etc. Systems with backwards compatibility are also safe territory, as are re-releases on newer hardware. PC CRTs are also welcome and appreciated.
>Produce OC! Bust out your camera and take photos of your CRTs displaying all sorts of games, featuring all sorts of tubes, using all sorts of signals. Getting good shots can be hard, but if you take enough, at least a few will turn out alright. Tips'n'Tricks™ coming soon.
>Try and give as much information as possible when asking for info on a specific set, or troubleshooting an issue to expedite and help you may receive. As always, Google is your friend and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either; Seriously, there's literally 6 years of backlog at this point.
>Share appreciation for other's choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. Always remember to show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Limited discussion of video processing and scaling devices is alright, but remember to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories.

CRT Pastebin (tfw no update) : http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3x
Guide to CRT Hunting : http://pastebin.com/H9H9L2LQ
Guide to Video Monitors : http://pastebin.com/pQX4N6gZ
General Purpose CRT Adjustment Guide : http://www.arcaderepairtips.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/guide_setup_adjust_arcade_monitors_v1.2.0.pdf
S-Video Pasta : http://pastebin.com/rH2h6C7W
BKM-10R Protocol Info : http://pastebin.com/aTUWf33J
JVC RGB Card Cloning guide : https://pastebin.com/EXqMBfcY

/crt/ Discord Server : https://discord.gg/EFWPCYE

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Never forget.
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Man, seeing it beside the CD case really puts into perspective just how small 5 inch displays are. I wouldn't want to read even MGS levels of text off that let alone FF
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>>5639717
I kek everytime.
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Those comfy feels only a large consumer set with svideo can experience. As an owner of several pvm/bvm I'd like to give a word of warning. Don't waste your money on them unless you're doing it for a hobby, like collecting antique radios. If you want to play games, get a large consumer set and spend the money you saved on a flash cart.
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>>5639668
PSA: 9" PVMs are cringe tier garbage for poor people who can't afford a 20" model.
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I'm looking to get a CRT. Is the whine able to be repaired? I could've sworn my tv and monitor didnt have one growing up
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>>5640293
Are you dumb anon? The 'whine' is the sound of 15kHz Horizontal Frequency scan, every SD crt tv has it. Computer monitors have 31kHz HF so it can't be herd.
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>>5640281
>he can't afford both

lay off the tendies for a month and I'll cut you a deal on mine. 110 sound good?
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>>5639717
that had to be joke rite?
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>>5640337
No, I'm not into /vr/ that much and got a aching to replay clasics like full throttle and BLOOD again.
Are there ways to use computer monitors w/ old consoles? I'm more of a old PC type guy, but it hurts my ears.
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CRTs is just fucking garbage, the only thing it does is make your place look like a shittier poor nigger place.
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>>5640281
20" pvms are cringe tier garbage for children who think they need "thicc" scanlines and can't carry a 36" tv.
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>>5641125
>20" pvms are cringe tier garbage for children who think they need "thicc" scanlines and can't carry a 36" tv.
This exactly.
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>>5641124
Every little thing about this post explains the rest of the post.
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>No pics yet, just cringe
I'll fix that
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Bare witness to my utter foolishness of buying an $850 20L5.
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Will post some of mine.
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>>5640281
thankfuly, it's a 5" monitor
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>>5641114
Ossc
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>>5641536
Based
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>>5641114
be grateful that you're still young enough that you can hear it
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>>5641798
I feel for the people who don't play Silent Hill 2 on a CRT.
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>>5639668
I am thinking of getting a CRT for playing my PS2 and SNES games. Any advice on good models? I know that the trinitron from sony are good, but i was wondering about other good comercial models just in case.
I had a CRT from Daewoo that worked ok for a while (now is broken), but i am looking for an improvement
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>>5639717
Explain
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Anyone try to use an OSSC in 3x interlaced mode on a VGA CRT monitor?
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>>5641832
if you're looking for nostalgia, get a generic portable set from the 90s
brands are for enthusiasts to worry about, not people who just want to play old games the way they used to be played
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>>5641379
loved that soundtrack
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>>5642453
Now THAT is how Super Mario Bros. should look.
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>>5639668
>playing on a PVM that small

What is the fucking point? I would sooner play on just about anything other than that. Even a fucking 9 inch LCD would be an upgrade.
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>>5641493
if it makes you happy, then it's worth it
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>>5641493
That looks ever so slightly better than my $20 Trinitron.
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Should i get a 14 inch BVM for 55 bucks?
How long should I expect them to work?
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>>5644778
>Should i get a 14 inch BVM for 55 bucks?
If it's in good condition and it already comes with the input cards you need, definitely.
>How long should I expect them to work?
Most Sony monitors are well built, and will usually only need a cap replacement after long-term use like most other CRTs. IIRC, a bunch of BVMs in particular record how many hours a monitor has, so that may come in handy.
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has anyone modded any of the the Sony XBR's for RGB?
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>>5641834
They're connecting composite video and a single channel of audio into the RGB/YPbPr input.
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>>5641125
I have a 20f1u and a 230 lb. KV-36fs12. I bear hugged the fat one onto a stand by myself. The BVM is in the basement with my "serious" audio setup. The WEGA is in the garage for casual multiplayer. I didn't want gaming to overwhelm any room of my house and I didnt want to haul the fucker downstairs.
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>>5645709
Which model(s) in particular? That's a line that ran for over 20 years.

Plenty of them, especially in the mid 90 and late 90s use the exact same jungle ICs as their S, V, FS, and FV models, and are equally as moddable. A good portion of the ones from say, 96 or so onward should be moddable for Component as well, though I haven't went through the manuals to actually document specifically which ICs they use yet.
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Bumping since people can't seem to find the fucking thread.
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>>5639717
>didn't even bother to expand the image before taking a screencap
>image is blurred to the point of worthlessness
>>5646120
I'm actually amazed one of the video inputs had a video cable in it, even if the incorrect one.
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>>5646849
So, do regular component cables not work on PVM's, or are they just not plugged into the right ports?

t. Anon, who wants a PVM monitor, but doesn't know where to find one. That, and I'm afraid of getting ripped off.
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>>5646858
Given you can't even bother to learn about connections, why bother with a PVM?
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>>5646869
Is asking you not part of the process of learning about connections, or am I missing something here?
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>>5646869
>>5646875
Okay, so here is my assumption. The yellow video cable goes into the out in line A or B, and the white and yellow (in that order) have to go directly under that in the audio "in and out" ports.
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>>5646880
White and Red* I mean, obviously.
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>>5646875
Asking a teacher yeah, but I'm not getting paid to teach you. The OP is full of tutorials and information, you're capable of learning on your own. And if you aren't capable, then I wouldn't be able to help you anyways.
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>>5646889
You talk about this shit likes it's actually complicated, like it's some kind of forbidden knowledge passed down from generation to generation. You've wasted just as much energy, if not more, chastising me for not knowing exactly how it works as you would have just straight up telling me. You, my friend, are an uppity prick.
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>>5646880
Yellow goes to line A or B in. Red or white goes to audio in, the other one you leave unplugged, it's mono only.
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>>5646905
Thank you. Literally all that guy had to fuckin' say.
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>>5646891
Dont get mad at cringy anons like that pretentios fag. Just leave them playing sad jrpg's in their basement pretending to know about visual quality in wasted televisions.
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OpenMW (engine rewrite of Morrowind) on my Toshiba 36a50
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Majora's Mask via Project64/GlideN64 @240p w/16x msaa on my Toshiba 36a50.
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>>5641818
but SH2 Enhanced exists and it's great
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Sonic 1 and 2 (romhack) running via RetroArch Mednafen core on my Toshiba 36a50.

One more after this.
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Castlevania: Rondo of Blood running via RetroArch Beetle/Mednafen PCE core on my Toshiba 36a50.
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>>5647102
I was worried I would have to go to reddit to find snobs like this.
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>>5647102
fuck off autist
it might be emulation but it's on a crt so it's thread relevant
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>>5647102
>your CRTs displaying all sorts of games, featuring all sorts of tubes, using all sorts of signals.
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>>5639668

Anon I‘m sorry you‘re that small.
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>>5646891

He is the same kind of autistic fag (or the same guy) as the one who took the screencap and made a poor anon into a meme instead of just telling him what he did wrong. These fags are among the worst people in /vr/ area, together with hoarders, resellers etc. Thankfully there are also kind anons willing to help. Just ignore fags like that guy.
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Finally got my hands on this qt. Now I just have to wait for my cables to come in the mail
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>>5647197
You sound like a brainlet shit-stirrer, anon.
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>>5647209
€30 right?

Nice one anon. Does it have SCART like I said it would?
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>>5647279
>€30 right?
Yep. Here's the back-side
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>>5647289
You done good amigo
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>>5639668
Okay guys, help me with a CRT for 128 bits/6th gen with component cables.

I know it's not retro, but this is the best topic for it.

I was thinking about buying a CRT TV that can output 480p for Gamecube, Widescreen 480p (EDTV) for Wii and a TV that supports 720p/1080i for Xbox and Dreamcast.

Also, I wanted to use this CRT for retro games in retro consoles.

So far so good, I could go with Plasma, LCD or a HD CRT.

But the problem is... HD CRT are hard to find, and a 4:3 480p TV are nearly impossible too.

Since they're HD CRT tvs, I don't think it has visible scanlines, does it?

So, I was thinking about going with a high end OLED TV for these consoles. And keep a CRT for anything 5th or less.

I don't remember the Gen 6 consoles/Wii using the artfacts of the scanlines/TV to produce graphics, like, let's say, dithering or using the TV's natural bloom to make stuff shiny. Or the use of Scanlines to make things look better.

So... how good a High-end OLED TV (choosing OLED because of the deep darks) is compared to a 4:3 480i CRT, and how does it compares to a 16:9 EDTV for the 6th gen?

As far as I know the tvs that supports 480p are really high resolution, so you can't really see the scanlines, so I guess it wouldn't make a difference in consoles of 6th with component cables.. Thank you very much.
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>/crt/ Discord Server

Speaking of discord, is there any "official" /vr/ related discord server for talking about retro games other than zelda-mario, talking about retro technology, and perhaps a place to make some friends?
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>>5647897
>wanting 4chan friends
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>>5647998
I believe niche /vr/ related groups would be more mature, or at least not full on memeing. As much as I enjoy cartoon frogs and memes, I don't want a server full of them parroting the same old memes, and I definitely wouldn't want to befriend them.
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>>5647209
Looks great. Have fun with it.
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>>5647209
It hurts everytime when I see those Sony models.
> When I was younger, I broke the "motherboard" of one, and that TV went to the trash.
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I already have a 19in pvm but i want a pvm 2030 what do
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>>5639668

Was there any consumer TV that had SCART RGB in NA or SA?

I can only find SCART RGB professional monitors.
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>>5647884
>I was thinking about buying a CRT TV that can output 480p for Gamecube, Widescreen 480p (EDTV) for Wii and a TV that supports 720p/1080i for Xbox and Dreamcast.
Dreamcast does 240p/480i without VGA, and only up to 480p with compatible games on VGA.

Pre-2003 4:3 CRT HDTVs that fit all three criteria are common in the US (though native/non-scaled 720p is uncommon outside of specialized monitors), so unless you're in another country I don't know why you're having trouble finding any.

>Also, I wanted to use this CRT for retro games in retro consoles.
These CRTs aren't ideal for retro. They're ideal for certain systems and games spanning two console generations starting with Dreamcast.

>>5650404
Yeah, this is the widely given example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_Dimensia#Input/Output
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>>5650875
>Yeah, this is the widely given example:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_Dimensia#Input/Output
Do you recommend one?

Maybe, more recent one?
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>>5650893
It's probably very good for its age, but there are plenty of newer models with other ways of getting RGB or YPbPr into them. I wouldn't tie myself only to displays that have physical SCART connectors, especially in the US. Late '90s-early 2000s non-HD models with component input are pretty common.
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>>5650875
>These CRTs aren't ideal for retro. They're ideal for certain systems and games spanning two console generations starting with Dreamcast.
I see, yeah, I think that CRTs are not necessary at all on the 6 Gen if you're running stuff from composite/VGA and OLED screen.
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>>5651267
I see, but if I get one with component, then I'd have to convert the RGB Scart to the Component, right?

Won't it degrade the signal?
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Are DVDs retro?
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>>5651285
>Component/VGA*
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>>5642696
Thanks anon, I think it is worth it. Especially since I just used the money I made off my Bvm g-series, to essentially pay for the whole thing.

Could anyone on here give me some tips or reccomendations on a decent pair of magnetically shielded speakers? Preferably a bit better than computer speakers since I already have the amp.
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>>5651285
I prefer these early HD CRTs for real 480p and 1080i, but it's common for even a lot of CRT users not to bother holding on to one.

>>5651290
RGB to component or vice versa is lossless and lag-free.
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>>5651303
Yep, DVD as a format came out in 1995.
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>>5651473
I see, thank you anon.

Do you recommend a converter?
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>>5651473
>>5651285
I play GCN/Wii stuff at 480p on a 34xbr960 and it's perfect, same for cable TV content at 1080i and PS3 at 480p/1080i. PS2 I prefer at 480i on a smaller SD display.

Of the three HD crts I've personally used, the 960 is the best/most ideal for modern stuff since HDMI + great huge widescreen tube. I also used a Toshiba 4:3 that gave a great cable tv picture over component at 1080i but would have strange sync issues during high motion content, and a DVI-D port that let me hook up a PC to it although it never looked exactly right no matter what resolution it was set to. Also had a Panasonic Tau 4:3 set that only accepted 480p/1080i over component, no 720p acceptance at all, but otherwise had a dynamite picture.
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>>5642639
Why?
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how long does it take to cause burn in? thinking of buying up a few dozen pvm/bvms and leaving a gay porn on pause for however long itt takes to burn the image of a man sucking off another man, then reselling the sets for cheap.
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>>5651661
Stop trying to copy shit you saw in dumb screen caps.
Also he used a plasma TV, those get burn ins Very fast.
With a CRT it's gonna take you months or maybe years.
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How the fuck do I physically align the actual screen with the bezel? I opened it up and everything, all the screws and shit seemed pretty tight so I don't know why this is even fucking happening. Pic related is what I've got going on, this is what it looks like when it's turned off. Shit is driving me fucking crazy.
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>>5651680
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>>5651789
stop assuming everyone sees the same shit you do. I have no fucking idea what screencap you're talking about.
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>>5651778
Sounds like a yoke problem.
Try manually adjusting it.
Look up how to do it so you don't kill yourself.
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>>5651792
That wasn't me.
But I'm gonna spoonfeed you just because I'm a nice fucking guy.
I was talking about pic related.
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>>5651803
thats weak as shit you don't even see the burn in. you still see crt burn in when the set is off
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>>5651808
I've never actually seen a CRT burn in so I won't comment on that, but that wasn't the point on my post.
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>>5651813
if you're in the market for a pvm a few months from now you'll get a chance to see it, and a little something -something else too
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>>5651823
No thanks. I already have two and I plan on selling one of them and get a consumer set instead.
I'll leave those surprises for somebody else and besides, Ich glaube nicht das du aus Deutschland bist. :^)
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My newly acquired 20" PVM. Thoughts?
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>>5651778
The screws around the CRT band holding it to the bezel are in pretty big holes, can loosen the screws and wiggle it around a bit.
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>>5651852
I love Fujita Yukihisa! That’s what I think!
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>>5651510
Sorry, I haven't looked into it in years or kept up with new models. I have an old Crescendo. If nothing has changed then you can also look for old Key Digital and Audio Authority models. Those were the three standbys of the early 2000s.

>>5651535
Your Toshiba sounds like a 2003 model. That was the year they started supporting 720p (through scaling) and DVI. The 2002 models were the last great models for 6th gen, other than flat tube-related geometry (I had two). Panasonic never supported 720p before they stopped making CRT TVs IIRC.
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>>5651852
What's this from?
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>>5652264
M.U.S.H.A
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>>5650875
>Yeah, this is the widely given example:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_Dimensia#Input/Output
Please don't actively set people up for failure. The Dimensia's "EIA Multiport" connector is only composite, explicitly stated to not accept RGB in the manual.
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>>5639668
What model Trinitron is that?
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>>5652427
Whoopsie boopsie
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>>5652427
Is it not TTL RGB capable? I'm sure I read that somewhere.

Bit of a moot point I guess as TTL is useless for almost all retro gaming purposes people on here would be interested in buying it for but worth clarifying nonetheless.
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>old woman coworker is talking to me about getting rid of all her old junk for a move
>she mentions she'll never get rid of her old tv's
>she says they're fisher price and she has small sony's but no remotes
>she literally asks me if i want one or if I know someone who wants one
>I say i'll take one casually, nut juice all but leaking out of my pants, barely able to contain myself, imagination going wild
>This fat retard neckbeard sperglord waltzes in the middle of the conversation with his gay ass cargo shorts and chimes in with his bucktoothed rancid breath havin ass
>"Hey don't junk those! sell them online! They're in high demand now!"
>She is a little reluctant but he says he will help her and he can get at least " 200 bucks a pop!"

Fuck you Josh you gay little retarded bitch
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>>5639668
>Snake, look for Meryl's codec number on the back of the CD case. It shouldn't be too hard to find since it's bigger than the TV screen you're playing on now.
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>>5652247
I see, thanks anon. You were very helpful.
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Stumbled upon one of these today, someone threw it to the curb with some junk. It's an LG Flatron (21").
How'd I do? Super happy either way, I've been wanting a CRT tv for ages.
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>>5651795
Isn't the yoke for the image projection onto the screen, not the actual physical screen itself?
>>5652131
I'll give it a shot, thanks.
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>>5653678
Well I've seen similar issues and it were the image was tilted to one side, that was resolved my wiggling the yoke a bit to make it project straight again.

But if you're sure the whole tube is tilted then do check what the other anon said.

As a side note.
This is what I was talking about.
https://youtu.be/dzdZZbI1BzU
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>>5652897
Looks good. Does it work properly and are there any adjustments you need to make?
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>>5652497
Find out where he lives and murder him in his sleep. He'll never hear you break in while his CPAP machine is cranking.
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>>5652497
Did he hear that she was already arranging to give them to you yet? If not then it sounds like he was just trying to be helpful.

But if so, and you already don't like each other, then he fucking got you good.
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>>5654053
No YPbPr, does do RGB. You can get a transcoder.
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is this safe
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will it use less electricity if i just plug in 2 of the 3 composite plugs?
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>>5655146
yes
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>>5654293
Nice microwave, anon.
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should i buy?
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>>5652416
Character designs by Fujita Yukihisa!
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>>5656081
no
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>>5656178
Why
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>>5651661
>>5651808
>>5651823
That sort of burn-in on a CRT, where you can see the after image with the power off, takes years and years of displaying the same image non-stop. The kind of damage you're talking about only typically happened in studios or companies that displayed the same datasheet on the same screen for 5-10 or more years, 12 hours a day or so.
If you want to display the gay on many screens in your home for years at a time, be my guest. :^)
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>>5654293
Really cool, cozy and warm picture there. It's on RF? Also TV model?
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>>5656217
because you had to ask
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>>5656716
whats wrong with the tv
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>>5656823
it looks like it will need adjusted. still better than lcd though
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Whats a decent price to pay for a 20 inch PVM? Im in SoCal and it just seems like all ripoffs. Pic related is asking anywhere from $700-$1000 for PVM-20L5's. Cute dog though
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>>5657354
No price is too big when you fall for the meme
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>>5657354
lol his floor is going to collapse soon
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>>5639668
Someone gave me their old TV, it looks like this one. The problem is they lost the remote and I have no idea how to connect to the AV channel, any ideas? Please don't say buy a universal remote
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>>5658716
Look up the model and buy a replacement remote from ebay. If there's no visible way to switch to AV and you can't get a universal remote app for your phone you've got no choice.
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>>5658729
I was really hoping you wouldn't say that, thanks though I'll try the App Store
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>>5658731
I've been there, I got an old TV from the roadside without the remote and had the same hopes when I was trying to get it going. Make sure your phone has an IR blaster before you waste time with remote apps.
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>>5658747
Looks like I'll need a universal remote, I feel like I have one thanks anyway mate
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Is there any downside to a 20 inch vs a 14 inch pvm? Besides size
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>>5654398
NO

watch out, they can discharge a lot of energy. I'm NOT kidding. Exposed CRts must be handled with a lot of care.
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>>5659026
>>5654398
Google it if you don't believe.
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>>5641536
In my restless dreams, I see that town...
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I've been hanging on to a nice 32 inch CRT TV for years, and I figured it would be nice to connect it to a retropi and enjoy some retro games on the right kind of screen, but I kinda regret that its only input is the RF connector.
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>>5659021
The TV line count on the 20 is often higher. It's a personal preference.
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>>5658716
are you sure that none of these 5 buttons on the front is TV/AV button?
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>>5659251
There's the menu, the volume, the channel and the power button
I checked the menu, there's no option to change channels in it, I can do a channel search to program, but it only goes from 2-69 no AV
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>>5659279
so it's either buying original remote or universal, why do you hate the last one option?
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>>5659317
Will any universal remote work or do I need to find an older one?
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>>5659279
Some TV put AV in the low channel 1 or 0 slots. Not common, but its something you can check, assuming you can change channels.
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>>5659402
Yeah I can't get to 1, it goes from 2 to 69 there's no 1.
Oh well, I'll probably just get a remote they're not as expensive as I thought
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What do yall think of mine?
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>>5659523
Sexy and period correct.
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>>5659527
I pride myself on that, minus the magnavox analog to digital converter, but on the plus side, I get 80 channels here in Chicago and some decent channels.
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>>5659523
Nice hardware CC device.
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>>5659523
i unironically think rf is the perfect output for the nes
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Not entirely sure I want to dedicate an entire portion of room to a CRT and the rest of the apartment is off limits because my roommate owns a ton of shit. That said, does anyone have experience with projectors? Playing Wii games on a 55" 1080p is driving me mad.
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>>5657354
don't buy an L5 then, and you shouldn't have to spend half of that
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>>5659750
I don't even see the appeal. Superhigh TVL is worse for playing games imo
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480 progressive scan crt's did exist
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>>5659898
so did 720p
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>>5660039
>>5659898
So do 1080i.
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>>5659776
yeah the medical M2s are my favorite pvm
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http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?248996-Sony-WEGA-Trinitron-CRT-TV-service-menu-Tips-Tricks-and-settings-suggestions

The key input isn't working. What could be going wrong?
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>>5660203
**To enter service mode
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>>5659373
Any universal remote should work, but you're going to need the remote codes for the TV.
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>>5660203
Most obvious thing I can think of is to make sure you're using the power off button on the remote, not the set itself, and that you're pressing the buttons in sequence and not simultaneously. Other than that I have no idea, sorry.
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>>5660318
yep. must have tried it about a dozen times now.
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>>5659523
That's a very nice setup. It's a shame that so many of those old sets have the covers for their controls torn off.
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>>5660283
I got it figured out, I used the Rogers cable box remote I had. Didn't even need the codes for te TV, just used the remotes code and it automatically found the TV
Thanks for all the help guys
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CRTs are amazing. The x-rays keep my skin smooth and supple. My sister is jealous, she can't stand the high-pitched beep that they create.
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Sometimes when I view images of a CRT there's these strange, distorted bands all over its screen, they seem to come and go depending on the size of an image. Those aren't supposed to be there, are they? I'm not viewing the image correctly if those appear?
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>>5660823
>she can't stand the high-pitched beep that they create.
CRT's are so good that they keep the normies away by themselves.
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>>5659523
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>>5659279
Some old tvs uses button combinations like push the +/- channel buttons at the time and you'll be on AV mode.
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>>5659523
holy fuck
i had that exact tv growing up.
we lost the remote, so my sister or I would lay on our backs on the floor and change the channels with our toes.

Goddamn, you just blew my nostalgia load for the night
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>>5662050
>we lost the remote, so my sister or I would lay on our backs on the floor and change the channels with our toes.
Were ur sisters toes cute? :)))
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>>5659523
>>5659523
can I move in with you?
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>>5662050
Funny story behind this tv, my wife for some goddamn reason rescued it for me. She saw it in a cardboard recycling container at the manufacturing plant she works at, and pulled some strings with the maintenance people there who were absolutely puzzled why anybody would want it, she said the oldest fucker there said she was stupid for taking it, that it was the lunchroom TV for several decades. But she got it, and its gotten a good home since then.
When I did get it I popped it open and aside from dust, I am happy I didnt see any cockroaches or signs of them chilling in there.
Was probably the find of my lifetime anyway, I doubt I will ever be able to find some of the higher quality sets that are shown here often, not without paying a limb. At least I can know I have something functioning and beautiful in its own right.
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>>5662361
Doubt youd wanna, considering im the anon thats always shat on for my primary setup. I did make some improvements with the good advice you fuckers have given me such as dedicated sound and making a shelf, but yeah. I am that guy.
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>>5659026
ooh nooooo am i gonna die?

He should be fine if he doesn't touch some parts or if he discharges it. It's not like it's gonna zap him if he walks past it.

>>5654398
you're gonna scratch the screen, man
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>>5662916
All he needs to do is to touch the wrong parts to get really, really badly injured. No one has the equipment to discharge a CRT. Unless you work with it.
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>>5662916
>carpet on the wall
Zdrastwujcie Misza
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Question for some CRT pros: I was moving a Silent Scope arcade monitor that was out of the cabinet and accidentally cracked the rear of the tube, releasing the vacuum inside and rendering the monitor useless. I've seen videos of people swapping in tubes from normal TVs into the monitor chassis and it works fine. I always thought the tubes from TVs and monitors were somehow different, but I didn't have any information to support that claim.

Can I just find a 27" TV and replace the arcade tube with it? Anyone did this before?
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Can someone amswer me? >>5652440
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>>5663254
Bvm 5l5
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>>5663290
incorrect
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Someone an hour away from me is giving away a KV-27XBR37. Looks like a great set but there’s no information on this thing from the internet.

Look like it’s from 94/95. Should be perfect for NES-N64 era. Opinions?

Picture is the set
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>>5663424
back of the set
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got this a few weeks ago, finally have it situated somewhere where it isnt an eyesore/walking hazard

did i do good?
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>>5662853
knock out that fluorescent hunk of shit on your ceiling and replace it with an incandescent fixture, the light it casts makes the room look dingy and a softer glow will make the room feel cozier
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How do DOS games look on a 19" 0.22mm pitch shadow mask? Looking to pick one up for $10 and I will be using it for more modern things as well. Just wondering if it's a complete mess and I should keep looking for an older and smaller monitor as well. Haven't had a PC CRT for probably 15 years.
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>>5662274
haha! hey :)
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>>5663424
>>5663428
It looks pretty nice, actually. I have to get my hands on a pre-flat screen Sony CRT.
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What's the ideal CRT to use with the Sega System?
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>>5663662
I still use my 19" Sylvania PC CRT to this day. For retro and modern games alike. It's pretty nice, specially considering you can overclock the refresh rate. I can hit 720p at 120Hz and games look really nice even though it's 720p. In fact, this is how I played RE2R, DMCV and Sekiro.
Also, I don't have any sources, but when it comes to PC CRTs shadow mask appears to be sharper than aperture.
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>>5663305
>>5663290
hue

PVM 5041q

>>5663424
>>5663428
If it's in good shape, should make for a really nice set.
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>>5663662
Arguably a bit too nice, but for $10 you can't go wrong
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>>5664176
BVM D32
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>>5659071
32" and no connector other than RF? Is it some kind of luxury prison TV or just crazy old?
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>>5664179
>overclock
i hate seeing people say this in reference to operating within the specs of a crt. you're not overclocking anything.
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Looking to get rid of this guy
Its a jvc monitor, 1984 or 85, color and works great.
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>>5664963
Thank you
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>>5666029
You live around deleware?
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>>5666029
Please be in central Florida
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Is this what composite always looks like or do I just have a bad cable? It looks like the edges of blocks have a white dotted line around them.
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>>5666258
Svideo fixes almost all the artifacting like that, but that's not too surprising though. Sit farther away
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>>5666293
Damn, NESRGBs are expensive
I'm using a larger CRT so it probably makes it more noticeable. I'll probably get used to it after a little while, it's no big deal.
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>>5666107
Im in PA.
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>>5665945
It's just all it ever came with. Got if from my uncle after he died. Guess it's only 27 inch. I was happier before I measured. It's still always been a good tv.

GE model 27gt619
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>>5666258
youre gonna need something better than composite to get cleaner picture
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What does the "ST" button/switch on CRTs mean? Trying to get some color on this old set I'm messing with, I had color for like 2 seconds when I initially turned it on but when I turned the dials to get a clearer picture it went B/W & I couldn't get the color back.
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>>5666442
sounds like saturation
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>>5666258
That’s what it’s supposed to look like. If it bothers you, you probably have autism.
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Would it be a bad idea to put a 13" CRT out on my balcony? I lived in this apartment for almost three years and never even did anything with it cause it's just boring as shit sitting out there just staring at traffic and traffic staring back. Thought maybe I could put a TV and an outdoor sofa up there and it would be like this chill ass outdoor living room almost.
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>>5666710
I wouldn't put a CRT anywhere it might be exposed to moisture.
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>>5666725
I live in an arid state that's always in a state of drought, but if it does rain the TV would be in the far corner furthest from the railing. I'll have to make sure the next time it rains to see how far the rain gets in.
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>>5642453
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What's a good cable brand that will let me connect my computer (HDMI, Displayport, DVI) to my old TV (composite)?
There are so many different brands on amazon and they all look like they're Chinese trash. I just want to play my emulators on my CRT.
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>>5666937
Unlike most other products the Chinese are competent at producing cables, just look at the reviews but honestly you could buy the cheapest one and it'll work the same as the expensive ones.
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>>5666710
Probably be fine, I do the same on my back patio. It's a lower quality set just I case.
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>>5666921
seething
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>>5642442
Damn nigga, which MegaMan is that?
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>tfw poorfag
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>>5667096
I have one similar to this one but I haven't looked into getting a converter yet
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I have a PC monitor with these discolored splotches "in" the glass that look like stains. They aren't on the front of the glass. Is there any way to remove them?
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>>5667096
That's disgusting
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Why does composite look really good on some CRTs?
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>>5667096
8th grade / 10
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>>5667251
yeah they're under the anti-glare coating so just peel off the film
unless what you're describing is actually burn in
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>>5667251
kind of sounds like purity issues. are they near the edge? can you get a picture of the issue?
>>5667414
tubes that aren't really sharp and which lack an advanced comb filter can make composite look aesthetic af compared to a higher end set.
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>>5663424
They are good sets. S-video, and composite.

Here's a user manual and service manual: https://www.manualslib.com/products/Sony-Kv-27xbr37-2928901.html
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I went to the flea market and found this pvm I don't know what brand is it but it was only 10 bucks and picture quality isn't bad

Thoughts?
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>>5667963
Looks like a rebranded SAM-14MV
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>>5667997
here's a close up
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>>5665952
Bite me.
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I want a crt PC monitor to emulate old systems at 240p, but the most commonly found monitors in my area are synch masters, like the 997df, is this a good monitor for my goal? Also, I think it is supposed to be a shadow mask monitor, that means I wouldn't get thick scanlines? It is weird, pic related is from a synchmaster 1100df and has pretty sharp scanlines even if it's a shadow mask monitor, can I get similar results?
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Not directly CRT related, but I doubt anyone here will mind

https://youtu.be/cWpLiMMQxcM
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>>5668094
cool video. thanks anon!
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>>5668073
Pretty much all VGA CRTs are going to be silly sharp at 240p. Problem is, you'd need to run it at 120Hz which will kill the motion quality. I think 480p60 looks nicer.
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>>5667414
Looks good and underrated game.
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>>5668235
What about motion quality? You mean like ghosting? And by the monitor being sharp you mean I would effectively get scanlines at 240p even if the monitor uses shadow mask? Or people using vga monitors get the scanlines by using black frame insertion?
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>>5666396
>PAL NES
That's my childhood right there
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>>5667096
Love it.
Had a similar b/W TV when I was kid, playing bootleg NES using RF
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>>5668043
Don't know much about that monitor but it looks like it's in great condition.
Seems to have 2 composite inputs and 1 s-video.
All in all you did great. Have fun with it.
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>>5668603
Ghosting mainly yeah. A lot of people even reckon shadow mask VGA monitors are sharper than AG so the scanlines will be very thick even at 480p on most tubes. You could use black frame insertion but I think 480p60 again looks better overall than 240p120 with BFI.
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>>5668657
Alright, thanks, then I'll go for the vga monitor for my emulation setup then, I was mainly concerned about not having visible scanlines due to it being shadow mask.
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>>5668436
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>>5668710
You're still gonna have visible lines on most nice VGA CRTs at 480p
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>>5668073
It might be too sharp but it'll work
>can I get similar results
pic related is 480p with tvout+interlacing, more convenient than 240p for shitposting without changing resolutions
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>>5669075
Looks like a JVC
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>>5669003
>>5669075
I think a vga monitor is my best bet, my pvm 2030 just died yesterday and a replacement here goes for about $200, I have the money for a new pvm in the price range, but I can instead just shell out like $20 for a 19 inch vga monitor and use the rest of the money for an extron. Also, my video card has a dvi-i output, can I just use a dvi to vga adapter to connect to the monitor? I want the monitor for tate-mode shmups and maybe some pc-98 emulation.
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>>5667849
>>5667786
Here's a pic. They're the gray splotches.
Is this the anti-glare coating then?
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>>5669105
It's a SyncMaster 796MB (0.20mm dot pitch, shadow mask), it came with a scratch but it was free
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>>5668875
You wanna say what's on your mind there buddy?
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>>5669743
Yep, so long as it actually is DVI-I a cheapo adapter works fine.
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>>5666258
That only happens with composite/RF, but the extent of its severity is up to the quality of your TV's comb filter.

>>5666359
>RF-only 27"
Yeah, now that makes sense.

>>5667001
>Unlike most other products the Chinese are competent at producing cables
The Chinese can make whatever you want them to make, but the world only wants to pay them to make cheap garbage that barely lives 30 seconds longer than the warranty coverage. I don't judge China on that, I judge the companies making those orders.

>>5669963
Yes, this pic confirms >>5667786 based on your description, it's either marring in the coating itself or a weakened bond of the coating to the glass. If there's enough integrity to the coating you can try peeling it off, otherwise chemically loosening and scraping it off would be the remaining option to try.
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>>5670154
Yes, my card is a gtx 770, it has both analog and digital dvi output, thanks for the info.
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>>5669743
I have been telling people if they have available HDMI to use a Tendak hdmi to vga. For the price there is no downside to it. No crushed blacks, no processing at all, supports 1600x1200 @85hz or lower resolutions at even higher refresh.

Has 3.5mm audio output as well if you need it. Can be converted to tons of setups or ignored and use audio from pc.
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I was looking into getting a 19 inch crt monitor, I found a nice looking syncmaster 997df, but seller now says that it has a problem, It apparently consumes a lot of energy and has a whining noise, or something like that, is that a bad sign, or is it easily fixable? My only other option in the 19 inch range is a daewoo 905df, is it a good monitor? My other options are syncmaster 794v and 753dfx in the 17 inch range
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>>5641834
>>5641013
It was a bad joke. The person that attempted to make the joke reposts it often.
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>>5639741
1.5 inch bigger than iphone 1-4s.

I tell people to look at the ipad mini to see how an 8 inch pvm would look. If they think that is too small then look at the other ipads as they are all 4:3 like the PVMs they are interested in.
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>>5670638
Did you ask them how they were running it? Like how they had it setup and tested?

The ferrite core/flyback can deteriorate and create vibrations when old and beat up. However it could be that the person is trying to run it at too high a resolution and refresh rate that is causing vibration from magsat. Some people see 'max supported res' and 'max supported refresh' and always run that, even if it looks better at a lower resolution the monitor can decently handle.
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>>5670637
Looks good, but is there a reason I should get my video from HDMI instead of dvi? Are there any downsides from just using my dvi to VGA adapter ? Do you mean I'll get crushed blacks from dvi to VGA?
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>>5670654
The DVI-A on your card is better than the tendak, can do higher resolutions.

Crushed blacks is an issue with some cheapo HDMI to VGA dongles.
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>>5670654
No downsides if the adapter actually works properly. The Tendak HDMI will look exactly the same but the adapter will work with future cards or other HDMI devices, and supports more resolutions and things that DVI-I has issues with.

If you use a Gsync monitor the DVI will also bring up more issues. But The HDMI isn't free of those either when paired with a Gsync monitor.
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>>5670650
I'll ask the seller then, from the pics, he's testing the monitor with a PC running win 7, so maybe he's indeed using a high resolution, but the whining can come from high refresh rate even at low res? I want the monitor emulate at 240p @120hz or 480p @31hz
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>>5670685
If your goal is that you will be really let down. You might want to do some more research.

31hz isn't a thing. Analog sets usually come in two types, a PC crt like the Syncmaster is 31khz. It has particular resolutions it will look the best with and doing anything but an exact multiple of the refresh rate of the game you are playing would be wasted (so run 60hz games at 60hz and 50hz at 50hz) If you DO want it higher, you NEED an exact multiple of 50 or 60 (the games refresh rate) so 100 or 120, but I doubt the monitor can do 120@ a low res, since not all of them can go that high.

Just stick with 60hz, and use higher for pc games that can do them like Quake 3. Find the resolution the monitor was meant to run and run it at that.
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>>5670697
Probably should have mentioned. A lot of people set their resolution to 3840x240@60. Because of fucked scaling. Maybe try the 120 at first, but again I can't recommend trying higher refresh rates when the games only use 50 or 60.
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>>5670697
I see, I got the idea from a guide to get 240p games in CRT monitors, the guide said that it is possible using a 120hz capable monitor using retroarch, to get games running at 240p @120hz for a 31khz signal
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>>5670715
The lowest VGA monitors will go is 240p120 or 480p60. Unless you use black frame insertion don't bother with 240p120
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>>5670697
i've never seen a vga monitor that can't do 240p@120hz since it's a 31khz signal and none seem to limit the vertical refresh rate lower than 120. even my 14" monitor from 1994 can do it. most monitors look terrible when doing 240p like this, the scanlines are way too big and you can see every individual pixel resulting in some terrible aliasing. it's better to run 480p or 1440p with filters.
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>>5671517
What is the resolution of pic related? Looks good.
I've heard good things about games running 480p@120 too
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>>5670637
Thanks, I have to replace one
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>>5671641
that pic is retroarch running in 240p@120hz on a 0.24mm pitch slot mask. i think 1440p with filters looks nicer on that monitor.
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>>5671704
What about bfi? Does it help at all to get good results at 240p?
Btw, I can get a Sony hmd-a240 for $10, does anyone knows if it's a good monitor?
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>>5671719
motion blur isn't the issue i have with 240p but bfi definitely helps. i wouldn't suggest doing 480p@120hz cause it doesn't give any benefits. that hmd-a240 is just an average 17" monitor. i'd grab it if you don't have anything else as it's not bad and monitors are only getting rarer and rarer.
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>>5671730
What would be better between the Sony or a SyncMaster 794v?
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>>5671765
they're pretty much the same specs, the main differences are the sony is a flat aperture grille and the samsung is a curved tridot. the samsung will look sharper but the sony might be brighter, but that really depends on wear and tear on both sets. i would just get both personally but if you had to pick one then i'd want to see both in person first.
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>>5647209
Almost 10 fucking days but I got them
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>>5671879
The syncmaster had some issues, apparently, so I just pulled the trigger on the Sony, it's gonna arrive soon, I'm actually kinda excited, since I had so many issues trying to output video from my PC to my pvms, I just want to be able to play tated shmups and watch vintage anime comfortably.
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stupid fucking cock sucker mother fucker, fuck yourself dumb bitch.
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>>5667039
X4 with the ultimate armor
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>>5672791
You okay there, buddy?
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>>5639668
I just bought a 9 inch RCA crt. It's p nice. The colors are definitely better than my lcd screens.
Will 4k oled screens be able to emulate crts properly?
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>>5646889
>paid
Stopped reading here. What do you think a forum is for? Why even post if not to share ideas or knowledge?
What the fuck.
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>>5672936
Not for awhile and it wont be affordable, and you'll need a good video card.

You want like 240hz at 4k so you can interlace and insert blank frames. I dont think that's even on the slate for the next displayport
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>>5673121
Weird that crts are still so much better at certain things. It's a shame they're so large, or they'd still be a competitive product.
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I got this exact model. It's alright, but I'm really having trouble with balancing the proper brightness to see everything in a game versus everything looking whiteish.
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What the heck is the model of this lads? It has VTR connections round back, seller claims it's a field monitor. I trust JVC to make a good tube and the novelty of an aesthetic 5" tube appeals to me, but I'd like a bit more info first.
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>>5673136
>or they'd still be a competitive product
No they wouldn't. There would maybe be a very niche market for CRT PC monitors, but that's it.
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>>5673146
Try using one of those calibration guide CDs
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>>5652147
>>5656136
I'm trying to find more of this guy's work, but all I can find is a politician with the same name... Got any links?
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>>5674315
http://www.ceiling-gallery.com/blog/2015/5/4/fujita-yukihisa
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>>5673392
TM-22. They're pretty cute, i've got one of the PAL/SECAM versions. Note the US version uses SO-239 (mates with PL-259, also called UHF connector) not BNC, you'll need an adapter.

The VTR connector is just composite + mono in and out.
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Are there settings in the service menu for a Wega to make the comb filter look better when playing 2D games with composite?

This is my picture of what it looks like now >>5666258
Can't use S-Video or greater because I don't have an NESRGB
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I have slight burn in on my crt. It's noticeable on lighter colors but I see a thin vertical line on the right side of the screen. Not sure how it happened since I dot't play any games with menus that are on the screen for long or anything.

I can live with it but is it possible to fix?
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>>5674682
Cheers anon. I'm in PAL regions so this is a PAL/SECAM set as well. Few questions- I assume this means it doesn't accept 60Hz? Do you know if the 5-pin DIN audio passthrough passes stereo through? How are the speaker(s)? Would you be kind enough to take a pic of yours?
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>>5675432
It can accept PAL60 with some fiddling with H hold and height controls. Speaker works with audio on either input pin on the DIN so I suspect it's mixing to mono at least for the internal speaker, which sounds fine, nothing amazing.
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>>5675695
* V hold
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>>5675695
Thanks anon that's a great help. I'm quite excited to pick it up now, it's not often you come across an aesthetic tiny non-consumer CRT from a reputable manufacturer. How do you like the tube quality?
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>>5675824
For video quality it's really not great, tube sharpness itself is decent but everything drifts and blooms with changing image brightness, although that might be a bad cap issue, I don't really care enough to try.
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>>5675830
Hmm, okay. I'll post about mine after I go to pick it up. Mostly I intend to shove it on my desk where there's very little space to play emulators and some RPGs, I have many much larger tubes for more purpose built setups. Thanks for your help.
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>been looking for months at overpriced 8'' PVMs from scalpers on ebay
>find a 14'' trinitron listed locally with bright picture and RGB scart for 20€

Feels good man, i'm so glad i avoided getting memed into buying what's most likely end-of-life professional gear someone tried to make a buck out of.
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>>5675854
If you're in SCART land there's very little reason to seek out professional gear to be honest. A big RGB SCART consumer set makes a lot more sense for most people.
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>>5675883

Yeah, but with everyone memeing about PVMs online they've been hard to ignore. The one i got is a consumer set. Most of the local listings were for the really big 20-24'' sets that people are trying to get rid of, and a lot of the small ones had only composite and RF inputs for some reason.
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>>5675913
My 28" RGB consumer set is far more of a pleasure to play on that any professional set I've used. They're either too sharp or too small, and certainly too expensive.
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>tfw parent's 32" Trinitron doesn't have component
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Got a UNITED crt from a friend, are those typically good or no? I can try to find out specific model
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>>5674334
Thanks
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>>5675913
>for some reason.
There was a big push for bigger and bigger TVs that started around the time that slightly better inputs started getting added to sets, so a lot of the small ones were made earlier on, and hence have fewer input options. (Maybe people aren't as eager to get rid of the small ones, too?)
>>5677010
Never heard of them.
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>>5672275
looks great.
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Does this Samsung SMC-142P look decent? I'm concerned about the black spots on the screen
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>>5677671
I meant this one



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