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>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+ Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories

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arcade to vga monitor, anyone know how this was done?
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>>5351309
Poorly?
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How does this look like?
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>>5351309
Like a disgusting thirdworld monkey made it.
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this is not a shadow mask.
can you guess what it is?
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>>5351902
not a CRT
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>>5352075
technically correct
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>>5351902
Some shitty camera LCD?
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>>5351902
tft passive matrix
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Who VGA monitor here?
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>>5352462
Right here man but without that 240p bullshit
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>>5352462
sup
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>>5351309
Likely driven by a Windows XP machine that boots straight to MAME
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>>5352475
well fantastic quality in this monitor
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>>5352475
anon tell us more about this monitor, looks rather obscure because it's a nokia and that picture quality is trully a beauty
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>>5352618
I don't think Nokia made the tubes themselves, those were Panasonics iirc
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Thoughts on the Wega KDFE42A10? I'm not sure if it does 240p
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>>5353043
1. It's not a CRT, it's rear projection. 2. It's HD, probably won't treat 240p correctly and it's gonna lag. 3. If the bulb hasn't been changed recently it's probably going to be pretty dim.
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>>5352626
Nokia used Hitachi tubes for their shadow mask monitors and Sony tubes for their aperture grille monitors
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Hnnn
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>>5353816
>some berk actually shelled out 2.2k burger tokens for it
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I'm ashamed to admit how many hours went into this. How'd I do?
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>>5354059
What game?
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>>5354069
240p suite

I actually have a cart
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>>5354081
Oh. I thought it was the completion screen for TRON.

Congratulations on achieving precisely nothing.
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>>5354106
Your retardation is showing. Pick it up and put it away.
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>>5354112
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>>5354059
A before pic would have been nice as well.
Also I would have gone for a bit more overscan.
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>>5354059
I'm with this anon >>5354704, I personally prefer more overscan (I try to get the red dots to line up with the edges), but the correct amount of overscan depends on what console you're playing, and can even vary by game, to an extent.
That said, it looks dang good, Anon. What are you going to play on it?
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>>5353212
>It's not a CRT, it's rear projection
rear projection crts are a thing, but this set in question is an lcd rear projection.
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I Have a question as to "why". I have 2 CRTs. Both are made in 2004. One is a zenith with a rounded front. The other is a flat screen Samsung tx-r2035. The samsung has been mothballed for a few months in my storage room, and Last weekend I hooked some games up to it because I can't keep my kids off the livingroom zenith.

I never realized how crisp this unit is. Comparing s-video between the units is unfair to say the least. The samsung looks more like a monitor than a television. I don't understand tech-speak when it comes to these things, and I am not complaining, but why does the samsung look so crisp? I can't find much technical info about it, nor would I understand it...but It is a 240p set when every one of its bigger brothers is 480p....Like holy fuck is it crisp.

What should I be looking for to describe the difference? Many of the reviews of the samsung compare it to the trinitrons for picture quality....I just want to know what would cause this. It looks like 480p compared to the zenith.
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I have fallen in love with this GTU-Famicom-240p shader. The ability varying types of noise and adjust signal resolution (not video resolution) has allowed me to create an image on this PC monitor that just feels right. Like this is what has really been missing. More than any effect I have ever seen this makes me feel like I have an actual NES or Famicom connected to this monitor.
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>>5355479
finer slot/stripe pitch, tighter beam focus.
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Thoughts on Apple monitors?
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>>5356054
Can be pretty neato if you have matching apple machines, otherwise can be tricky if they have weird resolutions or no built in controls.
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>>5355793
>finer slot/stripe pitch, tighter beam focus.
Thank you. I will look into these variables and see if I can find some concrete information about the design. I just can't get over how much different they are.
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This CRT thread are bullshit, video games back at the 80s and 90s were never about graphics or the ultimate setup, it was just about playing video games, whatever it was, even with a shitty black and white tv or a shitty game rented in the weekend, we all just made the best of it.
Now, you faggots just care about stupid setups, mods, emulation, frame rate and what the fuck not, but playing video games? no, you just circle jerk over retarded things.
>tl;dr
quit crying like a little bitch, play some 16bits and STFU.
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>>5356262
Your experience was true for you because you were a kid who didn't know any different.

Older teens and college students in the 80s were well aware of advancements in display technology and video game graphics. Having a higher resolution, larger size computer monitor was a thing to brag or dream about.

>90s
>never about graphics
starting to wonder if your post is a LARP
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>>5356336
>80s
>advancements in display technology
you must be over 18 to browse this site, GTFO mongoloid and go play fortnite with your school mates.
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>>5356354
Literally the decade VGA was introduced. LARP confirmed
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>>5356359
>hurr durr 80s was advenced as feck xD
you are absolutely retarded.
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>>5356361
Would you kindly fuck off from /vr/

Kiddies like you belong in /v/ or /b/
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>>5356442
stop replying to trolls
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>>5353341
Did any of the finnish CRT factories ever make PC monitors?
I know they did Nokia branded TVs.
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>>5356463
IIRC they only assembled monitors in Finland. Nokia TVs, at least the bigger ones, use Videocolor branded tubes.

t. I own an AG and shadowmask Nokia monitors and a Nokia consumer TV
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>>5356262
>were never about graphics
Zoomer pretending to be a boomer detected. Graphics have always been a hot marketing topic.
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>>5356798
Apparently the government made at least a few tubes from scratch in the 70's (Valco).
Are they really the only one?
Seems strange considering the amount of factories building the rest of the set. Lohja, Salo, Turku, Sotkamo and a few others.
If making the tubes really is that hard then no wonder they've not had a resurgence.
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How would you about connecting a PC to the Component input of an SD TV? I'm afraid of buying converters because they seldom never specify the output resolution and when they do it either 720p or 1080i.

All I want to do is to connect my PC either through VGA or HDMI converters into my TV and have the output resolution be 480i always. What do you use? The Composite converter I currently use just doesn't cut it for me.
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>>5356905
Valco seems to be the only Finnish attempt. It was a disaster. I haven't come across any Valco TV sets.
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>>5356919
I can only imagine what some people who know these things would be willing to pay for a Valco set.
Wonder if they're used in any old military equipment...
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>>5355479
What >>5355793 said.

I have a flat Sharp and it looks utterly amazing. Honestly it looks better than my trinitrons. I do have a hd trinitron widescreen which has a clearer picture but it's so "HD" that it looks more like a computer monitor than what you imagine a crt to look like.

To me, a lot of times the flat screen crt look sharper or better, but the geometry is usually fucked in the corners. Don't look closely at the geometry of flats or you will be annoyed. They are great for playing but can be an autist nightmare if you let them.
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>>5356262
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>>5356908
have a graphics card that can put out 480i, then get a rgbhv to ypbpr transcoder
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>>5357024
>To me, a lot of times the flat screen crt look sharper or better, but the geometry is usually fucked in the corners. Don't look closely at the geometry of flats or you will be annoyed.
I don't get autistic about "retro" setups. The only reason I retro game is because I have every system from my childhood still including an atarii 2600. I have always had CRT tvs and always am on the hunt for better ones. In the future I will certainly be on the lookout for the bigger samsung Tx-R models because they are 480p....just for a wii & xbox. The 20" model was the only one in that series that was 240p/480i. All I knew when I bought it was that it had component, composite and s-video. It was just luck that it looks so good. I just wanted a component TV. I think I have had it 2 years now, and am nothing but impressed with it.
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>>5356908
https://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php/87668-A-guide-to-connecting-your-Windows-PC-to-an-SD-CRT-TV-PVM-or-Arcade-Monitor
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>>5357069
lol no
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>>5357142
I dare you to give me one (1) reason why that won't work
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Yo whose cock do I have to gag on to get a Retrotink ultimate up in this bitch of an earth
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>>5357170
1. it wont do 240p
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>>5357212
>it wont do 240p


The request was for 480i content.

t. not at all part of this conversation in the first place.
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>>5357212
Isn't 240p technically just boneless 480i?
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I still really want to try these shaders on a CRT HDTV. I have run 1440x1080i on my PC monitor, and the results were visually identical to the 1440x1080p. No combing artifacts were detected. Most likely because emulated pixel line is actually made up of several lines of interlaced video.

I see no reason at all why my results with a PC monitor could not be replicated on something like a Sony KD-36XS955.

According to this thread, and Kya's post there
https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/9dacbk/sony_hdcrt_hdpt_testing_1080i_over_ypbpr/

These HDTVs have the same amount of lag in native 1080i (there referred to as HDPT: off) as a FW-900 or PVM 20L5. Essentially lagless.

So...
>either no lag from display, or at worst 1 frame
>shaders look 99% like the real thing

When can this myth that HDTV CRTs are "not good" for retro games (as long as you use emulators) be put away? Am I somehow breaking a "secret" that others know about but have remained quiet on so as to not drive up the price of these sets?

>note: I have intentionally crapped up this image to look like RF video, but it can look as razor sharp and clean as RGB on a PVM if you desire it
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>>5357223
Alternatively 480i is just wobbly 240p
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>>5357280
It's not 0 or 1 frames, it's inbetween, with a visible tear when HDPT is off. 20L5/FW/etc are always 0, no tear.

Shaders don't look that nice at 1080.
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So I took the plunge and bought a CRT TV. How'd I do, /vr/? Apologies for the shit pic. I don't have a real camera so this was taken with the stock camera app on my phone.
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>>5357513
>Apologies for the shit pic.
>>5357518
>Apologies for the shit pic.

If you are happy with it, no one can judge you. It looks quite functional from the picture.
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>>5357521
I might mess with the color settings a bit to get them more tuned, but overall I'm pretty happy with it. MUCH better than playing on my HDTV for sure.
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>>5357507
>Shaders don't look that nice at 1080.
>I have run 1440x1080i on my PC monitor, and the results were visually identical to the 1440x1080p.
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>>5357507
>Shaders don't look that nice at 1080.
I've tried it 1280x960, 1440x1080, and 2048x1536 and all of them look great.
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>>5357280
>I have run 1440x1080i on my PC monitor,
how? I could never get interlacing to work on nvidia.
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Is there any reason to use a framemeister with my CRT if I have an RGB modded console
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>>5357694
I connected a CRT projector through VGA and set a custom resolution using Nvidia control panel. I suppose the EDID from the projector allowed. Then I switched the video cable over to the CRT monitor.

If I try to set the custom resolution with the monitor connected it will refuse and say it isn't supported by my device.

Maybe you could fool it by installing a projector driver or altering the monitor .inf file, idk.
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>>5357764
I wiped my EDID so that shouldn't be a problem. Last time I tried, clicking "test" on the custom resolution control panel worked, but then when you select the new res, it just displays progressive.
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I have a Sony WEGA Trinitron that when I turn on I see a red tint but goes away after a while. I got a PS2 and now an Xbox with component cables, Psyclone and Monster respectively. The PS2 seems fine but the Xbox when playing Bloodrayne or Halo 2 doesn't seem like an improvement and some places are blurry like the menu (Bloodrayne in-game), etc. What could be the problem?

Another issue I noticed is that the TV image is boxed and the left upper side of the black box (or line) or where the image is drawn, isn't straight, it has a small curve. I tried to get into the factory setting menu but I don't know what the fuck to change.
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>>5357773
I think wiping your EDID might be the problem. I think you need a monitor that specifically says it will accept interlaced resolutions before NCP will let you install one.
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>>5357198
Want a used one? VGA+YPbPr originally, added in S-video. Discord jamvanderloeff#0748
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>>5357280
>HDTV CRTs
It all depends on the model.
There were some out there that accepted 15khz just fine.
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>>5358093
Just fine, as in actually displayed the resolution rather than scaling it up to 1080i?

I could believe it with some of the non-Sony models out there that are not well documented. Sadly, as time goes on they will become extremely rare.
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damn this one looks really cool
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>>5357746
no, upscalers like that are for HD displays. if you have a non hd crt then you don't need to worry about anything.
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I went round the thrift stores yesterday. Saw an Emerson CRT TV sitting on a shelf and asked the owner how much they wanted for it
>50 bucks

Won't be long until every random Sony CRT or PC monitor is considered "RARE VINTAGE GAMING TECH"
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>>5357530
The colors look a bit muted but I’m not sure how much of that is from the picture.
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>>5357746
How are you supposed to plug framemeister to crt tv?
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>>5358983
It's mostly just the camera. The colors look much better IRL. I've actually been toying with turning down the brightness a bit, but I realized I have no idea how to properly calibrate colors/brightness/contrast on a CRT so I'm just leaving it on default settings now.
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>>5357949
How much you're asking for? Are you willing to ship to South America?
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>>5358908
It's better that way , if people think it's worth something that means it won't get thrown out
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I found this guy selling a nice big Trinitron in my area. How could I get down there and take the tv without risking my life?
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>>5359227
Bring friends. If he feels outnumbered he won't try to pull some shit.
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>>5359227
Você vai morrer, huehuehuehue.
Why would you buy stolen shit from a nigger and show him your face so he can track you down later on?
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>>5351902
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>>5358294
it's a fucking mirror
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>>5356092
At least some of the Apple ][ monitors just use composite video.
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Just a little comparison. On the left a Raspberry Pi 3 running Recalbox, and on the right, an NES connected via composite
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I want to use my headphones with my PVMeme.
Would this work: right and left RCA audio => stereo jack adapter => headphone amplifier => headphones. My only concern is, if some cheap headphone amplifier will be able to amplify line level audio. Webm for attention.
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Anyone has PVM-1440QM? How's the picture quality?
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>>5360738
I have one, no complaints on the image quality. It has two downsides for me though, it doesn't have an OSD and can't do PAL60. PAL60 isn't a problem if you can use RGB.
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>>5360218
This looks...odd
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>>5360218
Soulless | Soul
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>>5360724
Yes, that should work. Nice bewbs by the way.
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>>5360919
That's because the preferred aspect ratio is set incorrectly.

Fceumm offers 2 options - 4:3 or 8:7. Not sure how easy this is to rectify in recalbox as I haven't used it.
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>>5360919
Is that his sword or is he just happy to see the princess?
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>>5361272
Princess Sevenleaf has fans in many different realms.
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>>5359006
>South America
I never imagined that people actually ship stuff to that place that isn't smuggled drugs
t. different person
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>>5361596
Ahhhh, ix-nay on the rugs-day, man.
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not a retro console but still falls under the rules i think
how accurate is the ps2's backwards compatibility and would there be any downside to using a chipped ps2 through rgb to play ps1 games?
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Problem #2, anyone fuck with the system settings of the T.V with a Sony and know how to position the screen on the center? Mine seems to be moved to the bottom. I know how to get into factory settings but don't know which category it is.
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>>5361210
>>5360919
Recalbox isn't perfect on a CRT, it's default video resolution is bigger than whats on my CRT, so i had to make a custom resolution, hence, why it looks odd.
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>>5361994
What model?
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>>5362153
SONY WEGA TRITNITRON KV32FS120. With component the games look amazing, the colors is something I've never seen. I did some research and it appears to be a problem with the yolk, I know how to do it now which deals with loosening up the screws and adjusting it. What I don't know is how to get to the screen where the TV shows the red line and white line boxes so I have a direction of how far I should turn. Do you know how to get there?
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>>5362161
I misunderstood what you were saying originally. So you have bowing at the bottom (and possibly top) of the image then?

The pattern you're referring to is the grid in the 240p Test Suite; It's available as homebrew on numerous systems: http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php?title=240p_test_suite

That said, unless it's extremely noticeable and you really know what you're doing, I wouldn't recommend attempting to reseat the yoke (and deal with everything that comes with that) as it is very likely you'll end up with a worse picture than you started with. Simply rotating the yoke isn't enough to solve this issue, and getting it to go away entirely is terribly unlikely.
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>>5362176
Let me see if I can phrase this right. The image isn't arched, it is squared but positioned down a bit, and it is noticeable in some games. I just played a section with my friend of a fighting game and you can really tell the position is not right. From what I've seen on youtube, it really isn't that difficult and most have seem to have solved this problem. Rotating the yolk would worse then problem, since it's a vertical problem, not horizontal, it would have to be pull upwards. Based on that last sentence, I would assume that most people didn't know what they were doing?
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>>5362197
>the image isn't arched, it is squared but positioned down a bit
So the image is too far down on the screen then?
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>>5362249
Yes, that image you posted is almost the example of how it is. It isn't TOO far down, but it is down.
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>>5362256
Okay, so that's what I originally thought.

That doesn't require a physical adjustment. You can fix that with a service menu adjustment, specifically for that model "V POS", the fourth option in said menu. Pic related is a snip from this manual, Page 28; Page 30 has the setting I mentioned near the top.

https://elektrotanya.com/sony_kv-32fs120_sm.pdf/download.html

Don't go changing anything else in said menu unless you've written down the previous value and know exactly what it does and what it'll do.
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>>5362274
Greatly appreciate it. Will try this now.
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why is that every time i look up a certain monitor theres always a video of someone smashing it up
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>>5362274
One more question, where it says NTSC Init Data, are those the default settings?
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>>5362274
Forgot the link https://www.manualslib.com/manual/683114/Sony-Trinitron-Kv-27fs120.html?page=20#manual
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>>5362274
This TV doesn't have a bow adjustment?
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>>5351271
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>>5362274
That was the correct setting and it did fix it. Do you happen to know which setting moves the image left horizontally?
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>>5351271
sylvania 6420fe
this is the only crt tv i have.
i thought the lost one was better than this one.
the lost one the one i used to play halo on was better than this one.
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>>5362539
HPOS will move it horizontally.

>>5362392
Usually refer to factory settings; Not something you actually want to switch to usually, as it does not include factory adjustments made before being sold.

>>5362395
Use the one I linked, it covers your specific model rather than a smaller sized of the same line.

>>5362409
If this is in regards to the arched assumption I made, the bow adjustment won't have an effect that that droop. Only a physical adjustment (can) clear it up some.
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>>5351271
what is it like plays new games on a crt?
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>>5362552
Hey man, once again, thank you. It appeared this TV was badly calibrated or the previous owner messed around with it. Another issue I have is, when I turned off the light just a while ago, I noticed a red tint on the TV while I was calibrating instead of a deep black. Is this issue solvable on the color settings?
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Just got a 24" SD Sanyo with composite, s-video and component from a friend. Pretty cool. Flat screen though, but doesn't look that bad.
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>>5362576
best experience desu
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>>5362618
Alternatively, the previous owner hadn't touched it and that's how it was originally setup/age caused the picture to drift.

>blacks are tinted red instead of being neutral
First make sure you're set to the neutral or cool color temp setting.

If it still persists, Option 1 and Option 4 under "VP1" (RDRV and RCUT) would adjust the amount of red at in the bright areas and the dark areas of the picture respectively. BDRV, GDRV, BCUT, and GCUT do the same in turn for blue and green. Fiddling with RCUT a bit while displaying a greyscale pattern (also in the 240p Test Suite) can help you adjust these properly.
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>>5362576
Pretty great.
It looks washed out in the picture, but it's due to the lighting. It's as black as you can get in person.
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>>5362965
>>5362632
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmtmWk3puGg

so i guess resolution doesn't really do anything ?
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>>5363263
what is that supposed to mean? higher resolution makes things sharper, but you can get away with lower res on a crt since there's no blur or scaling artifacts.
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>>5351902
Is it an Indextron?
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>>5361951
It's basically perfect for most games. However later slims have more incompatibility issues.
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>>5362965
>madokami
Do they EVER open up registrations?
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humbly request some photos of Soul Calibur running on a good CRT
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>>5363263
gentle suggestion to lurk more and read about CRT technology. CRT are not limited to low resolutions.
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Finalizing a Bvm-20f1u purchase and getting an OEV-203 and a PVM-2043md. Will be fun to set up all three side-by-side and compare the two 600 tvl monitors with the 900 liner
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>>5364803
I bet ya the 600 will look better.
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>>5364858
Yeah 600 really seems like the sweet spot (closer to what we played on as kids). I'll post some pics once they're all set up
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>>5364881
>(closer to what we played on as kids)
I haven't played much on real systems since I was 16 in 2000. That whole line of logic seems silly to me. I just think the 600 will look best period.
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>>5364897
Fair enough. That's not necessarily my opinion, it's the conclusion I keep seeing from others who haved played on multiple sets. The BVM has been maintained well while the other two have been sitting in a hospital for probably the last 15-20 years and I'm getting them cheap, so it'll take some work to get them in a state where a good comparison can be made, if they're in a good condition at all
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how do I hook a 14L5 up to a PC?
I mostly just want to do it for checking photography
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>>5352462
Missing my Samsung one but too much of a pussy to try and open it and there's no technician nearby in my third-world country
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>>5365049
Easiest way for 480i would be generic HDMI to component down/upscaler.
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>>5365117
Cos it won't fuck with the colours or warp the image at allllllllll
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>>5365117
the L5 supports HD y'know
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>>5365049
A video monitor isn't going to be much cop for critical checking of still images. The resolution isn't good enough and you probably won't be able to calibrate it to a suitable colour gamut because of the SMPTE phosphors.

Viewing the odd slideshow, sure, but don't rely on it as part of your workflow.
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>>5363263
>so i guess resolution doesn't really do anything ?
Resolution is nearly irrelevant on a CRT. Response time and refresh rate are relevant. Gaming at 1280x800 @ 120-140 hz is vomit inducing to people not accustomed to such a thing. I also have a 144hz asus "gaming" lcd, and there is no comparison between the 2. The LCD is superior at reading text, but everything involving picture quality is easily better on the CRT. It also handles 2560 x 1600 @ 60 hz. Keep in mind that this was all available to me in the year 2001 when I bought it used. This is why the 120+hz LCDs are garbage to me. I have been doing both "High definition" and 120+hz gaming for nearly 2 decades.
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might have a chance of picking up a 14'' sony pvm for about 120€
wish me luck
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>>5365836
Godspeed anon.

Hope this is the last bad financial decision you make but somehow I doubt it will be.
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My 1944Q never displays a composite image. I'm almost certain the seller was testing images with composite, but now both lines A & B come up blank when I feed it a signal. Would anyone know why? Is there some switch I need to hit on the back panel I don't know about?

So until I fix that I bought a cheap composite to S-Video adapter. It's a pretty simple adaption so I thought it'd be an easy workaround, but it looks like mine (and many others) are crap and make this shitty checkerboard pattern. Anyone know of any *good* composite to S-Video adapter?
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>>5365816
also, 120-144z panels are TN, and most probably 6bit per channel.
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>>5366068
Maybe like 5 years ago.
Nowadays there are quite a bunch of 120Hz IPS. A fucking lot of them actually, and not just overclocked Korean panels anymore but actual official stuff from like LG and whatnot. Though persistence and ghosting is often an issue with those, and I don't think any of them do strobe motion internally at all.
There's also at least one 120Hz VA panel by Eizo which has fairly surprising contrast, latency, and colors.
Usually they are 8bit color, sometimes with limited 10bit support

Then there's supposedly 120Hz OLED, MicroLED, QLED, and/or whatever the hell, just around the corner, announced for 2019.

I still like CRTs better in general, for a lot of reasons. But it's not quite as bad as that anymore.
Even some of the TNs have GOOD color accuracy and brightness. Though still annoying inversion at angled viewing.
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>>5362965
what desk are you using? I'm struggling to find anything deep enough for my crt + keyboard + enough space for my palms to rest on the desk
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>>5366118
my sister has one of those Acer 1440p 165Hz IPS panels, with strobe function (ULMB). I've seen it side-by-side, and still prefer my shadow mask for color/contrast and especially motion clarity. It's nice being able to have high resolution and high frame rate at the same time, though.
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>>5366208
>It's nice being able to have high resolution and high frame rate at the same time, though
Indeed. I really like it for HD video with motion interpolation like SVP. But also just for smooth as fuck browsing, image viewing, and less often modern gaming.

But yeah, wherever there isn't a lot of detail or sharpness required, CRTs have always won in my eyes. It's just not absolute black and white "CRTs ONLY" anymore. And that's probably a good thing, even if it complicates choice.
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>>5365364
It won't.

>>5365754
True, go 1080i
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>>5366217
>HD video
I can push my tube to 115hz at 1080p, so I know what that looks like. would be awesome to have everything feel that smooth on desktop resolutions too. just a few khz more...
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>>5366256
Tried narrower blanking?
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>>5366268
I have, but that'll only gain you a few hz before distorting the top edge of the screen. the only way to jump from 87hz to 120+ is faster h-sync circuitry unfortunately.
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Anyone who knows a cheap decent way to capture RGB from SCART? That Startech card is a bit expensive since I don't think I'll use it that much.
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Not really on-topic, but forgive me please because I assume this would be the best place to ask: what is the best CRT out there to actually watch television shows on? 4:3 or 16:9 do not matter to me.
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>>5366475
Modern TV shows? XBR960
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>>5366475
If you have the right set up it would difficult to beat a late generation rear projection CRT HDTV. Mitsubishi and Sony made huge units. I don't know what the biggest one was but I have found 73" examples.

These are not so great in brightly lit rooms or when viewed from any wide angle, but in a dark or dimly lit room viewed straight on they will have a super deep, super contrasty image. Not as sharp as a direct view CRT, and especially not so much as an LCD or Plasma. But the color and contrast will make up for it.

Something like this:
http://www.laaudiofile.com/ws65908.html
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>>5366527
Their contrast is actually really bad. Similar to CRT, the "black" non active parts are generally grey in color and the brightness doesn't get high enough for actual contrast to be as good as even older LCD sets.
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>>5362646
Just wanted to thank you again for all your help. I have one final question, left upper side of the screen is shape in a funny way. You remember those old picture frames that people used to put on their furniture? It has something on the back that makes the frame lean back, well, the same way that mid to upper left side of the screen is. It's as if it's leaning back and needs to be pushed up and forward. What changes this?
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>>5366563
Pics plz
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>>5366530
>the "black" non active parts are generally grey in color

>can literally see that the TV in the photo has a jet black screen when it is off on bright daylight setting

okay guy
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>>5366530
He said they're not so great in brightly lit rooms because of that.
But an important factor is that those non active parts don't generate any light. So in a dark or dimly lit room they're incredibly black. Much unlike the common backlight bleed of non-emissive displays.
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>>5366530
>Their contrast is actually really bad. Similar to CRT, the "black" non active parts are generally grey in color and the brightness doesn't get high enough for actual contrast to be as good as even older LCD sets.
This is all completely wrong. These types of sets were renowned for their black levels (in controlled lighting situations) and there is a small but devoted number of people who still believe they are better than any LCD/Plasma when properly calibrated. Contrast on one is realistic contrast, which takes some time getting used to when you are conditioned to the extremely bright and blasting contrast of a direct view CRT. Going from one of those to a RPTV in a dark room you may think the image has become too dim. But after an adjustment period you'll start to feel this "flat" look feels far more natural and skin tones in particular are rendered in a superior manner.

Maybe you're thinking of LCOS or DLP based RPTVs.
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>>5366527
>>5366475
Alternate choice to this would a television called a Loewe Aconda, which was a 38" CRT HDTV that was considered one of the finest ever made. However, it does not fully resolve 1920x1080i.

And of course there are the BVMs if you want something smaller in 4:3. Those will actually look better than anything.
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>>5366567
I don't know why these pictures came out the way they did, camera lost all the richness of the image. But I believe you'll still be able to see the problem, and that blasted red tint that goes away after a while.
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>>5366658
>and that blasted red tint that goes away after a while.
What could possibly cause that?
I had the same issue with my second personal TV growing up (First had no color) and never really thought to look into it.
Like I would turn the TV on, plug in whatever console and turn that on, then go and brush my teeth while they loaded up and got un-red, took like 5 minutes.
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>>5366704
Probably something to do hardware wise or the red in the service settings is too high which I already turned down. But I can still feel the red being too overpowering. The tint goes away after 5 seconds for me.
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Calibrating to the linearity screen in the 240p test suite always makes it so the picture doesn't fill my screen vertically. Is this a common problem? And if so, what should I be calibrating against if I want the image to fill the entire screen?
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>>5366736
The picture of what? Which 240p suite?
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>>5366746
The picture in general. I've tried both the Wii and SNES versions of the suite, and getting the circles to be perfectly round in the linearity screen always leaves me with the image too squished to vertically fill the screen. Like the opposite of overscan.
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>>5366750
Are you getting the rectangle outline of the linearity screen just on the edge or just outside.
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>>5366757
There is no rectangle outline around that screen, it's just the circles. When I bring up the grid it doesn't fill the entire screen vertically after getting the circles perfect.
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>>5366762
Dunno why, but the linearity circles on the Wii 240p suite are too fat, not drawn for 4:3. Set size by grid, try to get the linearity pattern to ellipses.
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>>5366775
As long as the grid fills the same amount of the screen vertically and horizontally should the linearity be close enough to just say fuck it?

Also, any tips on how to get better geometry in general? My TV is a flat screen and I know it will never be perfect, but the bottom corners are completely fine and only the top corners are bent. Modifying the PCC settings for the top half of the screen doesn't straighten it out no matter how much I try, and I don't want to try opening my CRT up.
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>>5366794
On the grid pattern linearity is good when all the squares are about the same size, not getting bigger/smaller on different parts of the screen. Getting same amount vertical and horizontal visible will get aspect ratio right.
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>>5366802
My squares get more squished the further they get towards the edges of the screen, is that normal? If not how do I fix it? What settings should I be modifying?
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>>5366808
what monitor/TV is it? Usually called something like S correction.
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>>5366816
It's a Panasonic Tau, not sure the model number. It looks like this.
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>>5365789
all I know is my old camera has composite out, so I hooked that up and was blown away how good the colors looked. besides the dot crawl it looked absolutely better than the same pics on my computer monitor
I want to run it at 720p .nobody really answered my question but I think the solution would involve HD SDI. but if that's $100+ I might as well just get a pro LCD
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>>5367014
If you've got an SDI card in it can get an HDMI to HD-SDI box. Or just go to component, ezpz.
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>>5367014
and calibrate your computer monitor properly.
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>>5366197
Ikea Jerker 2, pretty good for a CRT battlestation, and widely available for a couple of bucks.
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I recently got a trinitron KV-1462u and it works great for my megadrive, but what kind of converter would I need for a coax input on my modern HDMI consoles? I know coax to HDMI converters exist but I’m never sure if they’d work or would convert audio and visual. If anyone could help me out here I’d really appreciate it
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>>5367956
Can do HDMI to composite + composite to RF modulator (which can be a regular VCR)
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why is this thread on auto-sage?
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>>5368560
Cheers man that’s what I was thinking, just wasn’t sure wether to buy a VCR or not. Thanks!
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>>5367860
>and widely available for a couple of bucks.
Are you sure about that? They seem to have been discontinued by IKEA and are now hard to find.
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>>5368575
Happened with another thread a week ago or so too. Something fishy is going on
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>>5368612
They've been discontinued for a while, but they often turn up on local craiglist or whatever. I have 2 of them for 60 euros in a 30km radius around me after a very basic search.
It depends where you live obviously, but Ikea sold tons of Jerkers.
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>>5368670
I see, I'll keep an eye out. Thanks.
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So, my Ikegami monitor has a little picture problem and it has no knobs to adjust either height or width anywhere.
I opened this fucker up and I found these things that I can adjust using a screwdriver.
Should I even bother? Am I gonna get zapped for touching them? I can only see p. width but no p. height which is weird.
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>>5368848
UPDATE:
Well I finally found the height pot..
The bad news is that it's unadjustable unless I dismount the board.
On a scale from BZZZT to FUCKING DEAD, what's the worst that can happen if I try to do that?
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>>5368883
Rip in peace, anon.
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>>5368883
Where is it supposed to be?



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